HELEN:
Well Margaret, once again I am going to say what the media won’t. Mitt Romney is a lying sack of shit and he wouldn’t know a middle class tax cut if it bit him in the middle of his gold plated ass. Evidently the media seems to think that the person who slings the bullshit the farthest wins the debate. Well if that ain’t the damnest thing.
Who exactly was that man debating the President last night? Clearly somebody finally decided to shake the Etch A Sketch and now Romney is against lowering taxes for the wealthy. He’s also pro choice and for entitlement programs. But what the hell he has against Big Bird is beyond me.
If lying whenever your mouth moves is what they mean by style points then, yes, I would definitely have to say that Romney won the debate. He had to temporarily become a Democrat to do it, but yes he won. And it was clear that even the President didn’t see that one coming.
According to Etch A Sketch Romney there will be no tax cuts for the wealthy. After all, the 14% that Romney has been paying wasn’t so bad once he compared it to what everyone else was paying. Also there will be no government interference in healthcare decisions for Americans. Thank goodness because that government ban on abortion the Republicans want and Romney has promised really was a deal breaker for me. I am also delighted to know that Romney is going to force all of the states to finally implement healthcare reform. Considering they haven’t done it yet, I am not sure what he has in mind but I say bully for him. Yes. Romney needed a game changer and tonight he changed the game alright. He changed parties and became the liberal democrat we all knew he wanted to be.
If anyone out there has any idea of which Romney is running for President, please let me know because I can’t keep them all straight. Is he the guy who wants to end Medicare or the guy who wants to spend more money on Medicare? Is he the guy who wants to control my vagina or the one who believes that government shouldn’t be making healthcare decisions? Is he the guy who thinks that 47% of Americans are victims or the guy who thinks that tax cuts for the wealthy are a bad idea? Is he the guy who wants to work on day one with Democrats in Congress or the guy who on day one wants to reverse everything the Democrats accomplished? Is he the guy who likes Big Bird or the guy who will cancel Big Bird?
Margaret, that man has more faces than I have chins. I can’t keep up with which lie is the real lie. All this would be so much easier if Governor Romney would just do what he says his five sons do: pick a lie and stick to it.
The way I see it, we’re all just a bunch of Big Birds. Romney looks right into the camera and says he likes us, but given the chance, he’ll fry us up and serve us on the closest ironing board Ann can find. I mean it. Really.
MARGARET:
Helen, I couldn’t follow either one of them most of the time. They both seemed a little too angry for my liking. The one I felt sorry for was that poor Jim Lehrer. I’ve left the house many a time and forgotten my teeth too.
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gatodicima: “There is nothing nice and rational about lying, no matter how nicely it is stated; to me, outright lying… is much worse than a little bit of honest cussing.”
Un mensonge mène au meurtre. (A lie leads to murder.) To bury the truth, ultimately the liar must bury any who would tell it — witnesses, whistleblowers, sellers of secrets — thus dictators bury dissidents.
While truthful information for the voting public is the lifeblood of democracy, lies are poison. Attaching “cuss words” like bu11sh!t to such lies associates them with the aroma of excrement, makes the poison less appetizing and less likely to be swallowed.
I’d rather have someone tell me the ugly truth than pretty lies, or ugly lies for that matter. Don’t bu11sh!t me.
By: Raven on October 13, 2012
at 3:30 PM
Never NOT friends!
and I explicitly agree with your positions. I absolutely could not vote for Romney and Ryan! As you have pointed out so eloquently to those two guys whose comments I pitch without reading, the facts are out there for anyone who will do a little research. But there are many who are fooled by the plausible liars. They believe that the problem is people who won’t work, not people who won’t pay. They are worn down chasing their dreams and easily convinced that their hard work is paying for someone else, that they should have more It’s insidious!
By: JC on October 12, 2012
at 1:11 PM
JC……ok thanks for the reply, i understand what you are saying and thank you for explaining it more thorough. The way I see it, had I included one simple word, you would of not felt the need to call me out on my rant. And that word is MORE. I care more about the least amongst us. There a many poor Americans who do what they can, give to their church, donate used cloths, drop off some beans at the food bank, but even the poverty stricken red state republicans who vote republican believe that the government has no legal reason to use our tax dollars for social programs. They want to, and will do everything in their power to stop these programs. I see this country as a society, as one big family who working together can help the helpless. It wouldn’t benefit me, I’m in good shape. But I would never WANT or support a government that for the benefit of a few can find a constitutional or religious reason to leave the poor flapping in the wind, and that is the republican vision for this country.
I might be wrong, but it seems to me that you have a problem with Romney the man, I on the other hand have a problem with the entire republican ideology.
Friends now?
By: sidney18511 on October 12, 2012
at 12:26 PM
Hi, Craig – We’re glad to have you on Helen’s porch, especially at this really difficult time in your life…
I suggested that my husband (a life-long Republican) take a look here, and, when he did, his first comment was that he doesn’t understand why Helen uses so many “cuss words” (her description), in much the way you do.
Let me share my point of view, if I may… Sometimes we “nice ladies” (formerly known as “good girls”) just can’t stand the lies and garbage that keep getting put out there, unquestioned and unchallenged. And often a nice and rational argument is just run over, once again, by the liars – and that makes us mad! There is nothing nice and rational about lying, no matter how nicely it is stated; to me, outright lying (and “clarifying” and “walking back” and “resetting” and all that kind of thing) is much worse than a little bit of honest cussing. (Maybe we should just try to stick with Irish Joe’s lovely word: “malarkey”… Has a ring to it.)
So you may see an occasional outburst… But you will see scatological – and truly offensive – references to private body parts pretty much only from those I think of as “under the porch”, and not from the rest of us. (UAW’s “Monica” avatar is consistently offensive, and he knows very well that it is.)
As for myself, I find M&H’s orneriness to be refreshing. My husband is with you on this, however, and always chastises me when I “cuss.” Sometimes I do it, anyway… (And I cuss with my GFs all the time!)
Wishing you the best, and glad we keep hearing from you.
Gato
By: gatodicima on October 12, 2012
at 11:58 AM
Hey Sid, let me reiterate: my sympathies are with you and I am betting that we would agree on many many things! In your reply to another commenter you said “the difference between you and me is I care about” and you went on to describe many of the situations that concern me as well. But the unspoken implied finish of your statement is that the other person DOES NOT CARE. And I think we should be careful about saying stuff like that, it escalates tension and can lead to the sort of ad hominem crap that is absolutely destroying any sense of community in this nation. I did it myself, on this very blog: I called UAW out on a comment he made that implied a certain outlook and made an enemy for life. I’m not crying in my beer or anything over it, but I could have been less blunt and combative and personal and avoided the whole thing!
The example about the charity was meant to illustrate that someone who takes the time to research the places he gives to and wants to promote the project not the organization, is someone that thinks things through and puts effort into the deal. We agree the nation had been going in the wrong direction, we disagreed on how to correct it then, he doesn’t think there has been a correction, and I do. We disagree on what is important even! But he does CARE, and he doesn’t think that poor people are worthless, either.
The reason we argue so much is that I CANNOT vote under any circumstances for a man like Mitt Romney; I have worked for too many people like him and recognize certain traits and patterns. My poor brother has not!
By: JC on October 12, 2012
at 11:46 AM
JC….if that was a response to my post which was a response to Craig, I really don’t get your entire point. But it seems that one message you were trying to get across was that there are many republican supporters that give to charity. Good for them! I fed several homeless people daily for over 5 years, but what we do separately can not compare to what we can do as a nation. Charities are great, but if they were the answer we would not have hungry homeless Americans living among us. I believe that the government has a responsibility to help the “least among us”, I have a hard time watching those commercials showing starving helpless children from third world countries while asking for donations. I don’t want to see that same scene, up close and personal on my street and in my country, when, at the same time we have GOP positions boasting that the USA is the wealthiest country in the world. We are. There is no excuse that this amazing country that was started as an experiment iin democracy that was built on the backs of the millions that came before us to look the other way.
By: sidney18511 on October 12, 2012
at 11:15 AM
Agreed..but too stretched to argue…
Question about the host. And here is where I will have my head handed to me. But why does the host persist in using profanity in order to try and make her arguments? Most debaters and people knowledgeable in their area of expertise do not have to rely on profanity to get their point across….
IMHO.
By: Craig Robinson on October 12, 2012
at 11:12 AM
Careful! I am related to and friendly with a whole bunch of people who are convinced that I care about poor lazy deadbeats at the expense of everyone else, and that I DON’T care about hard working middle class Americans. I happen to be in your boat regarding my opinion on how to best rescue our country from what I consider to be the brink of disaster. But many of these others only have a different idea of HOW to save things. Myself, I think they are falling for plausible lies, but I do NOT doubt that they care! One of “them” is my brother, who spends a great deal of time checking into which charities are the least admin loaded. He always passes the info on to me: Food For the Poor is the best so far, 92 cents out of every dollar goes to the project, only 8 cents to admin! So having a different idea doesn’t necessarily mean uncaring!
We’ll just leave our little buds anon and UAW out of this, they just like to piss people off. I’m NOT defending people like that!
By: JC on October 12, 2012
at 10:43 AM
Craig…my husband and I have run our own business for 25 years and managed to “pay ourselves first” also and saved a nice chunk. We worked over 60 hours a week physical labor and raised our three daughters there, so my entire family has “skin in this game”. We have paid more in taxes then many people make in a year. Nobody helped us, no government loans or aid, we are the perfect example of those bootstrapes that the GOP are always talking about. Now although I am a liberal, I am very conservative with my personal finances and I did not make any easy stock market money, but I applaud your dicision to invest in apple stock as it shot through the roof. The difference between you and I, is that Im aware of and care about the millions of Americans that didn’t invest in Apple, or inherit money, or even have the oppertunity that my husband and I did. There are people who worked hard all their lives and were never able to accumulate enough money to survive on, and to have the social safety net pulled out from under them is just cruel. And I would never begrudge a family the food stamps that they spent in my store in my store, I treated everyone with respect because I knew, I just knew…that there but for the grace of god, go I.
By: sidney18511 on October 12, 2012
at 10:16 AM
I knew when I made that comment it would be used against me..or against the man I’m voting for. Quite frankly, a young lady from this blog contacted me via my email. I made the same statement to her that I’m about to you.
I don’t know if either one of the candidates are the best by any means…
It’s just after 3.8 years we have an auto industry, and yet how many people “off the record” that have quit looking for work or are acting as independent contractors that don’t show up the records. I have one friend who was 61. He tried from 2009 thru 2011 and finally just took Social Security and quit.
Have not the bankers,institutions and insurance companies always played the $ float? Whether it was a republican or Demo president in office. Is it right? No. And especially since I’m in the middle of some things that ” middle America” has no control over. Val and I have done well in savings. I’ll be ok, I believe…we always were able to pay ourselves first and at age 31 started our IRA’s…and other investments. My best bet though after the debacle of 08 was going against my financial advisors “advice” I put 90% of our holdings in Apple stock.
But I’m getting out after this Xmas. I was lucky…but what is the saying…I have everything yet I have nothing because I’m a very lonely man with a broken heart.
Peace
By: Craig Robinson on October 12, 2012
at 9:43 AM
Craig: Ah, yes, banks, insurance companies, and other money-bureaucracies are always so understanding, sympathetic, and helpful at such times of personal crisis and bereavement.
It gives real depth of meaning to Mitt Romney’s remark: “Corporations are people too, my friend.”
And Romney promises to be President of all the people… presumably including the 7,353,000 corporations… his base.
By: Raven on October 12, 2012
at 3:58 AM
Raven, I agree totally with your getting out and being involved. My current issue is health insurance which I never planned on being an issue. Val passing four months short of ten years employment put me on a three year Cobra funded plan to provide the $470 monthly insurance ” I had” until the anniversary of Val’s death at which time about three weeks later when I turn 65 I can apply for Medicare. That along with all the other minutiae of forms,certificates, charge accounts and the multitude of things that I , as a supported spouse, am having to deal with insurance companies holding Val’s life insurance hostage…and freezing our Wells Fargo accounts where the bulk of our liquid assets are..until October 23rd when I can get letters of evidentiary from a judge to break the chain.
Yes I use to go to a gym 5-6 days a week until the last two months of Val’s life,I stayed with her and driving Ms Daisy to work and home while attending to the house and making sure she had the care she needed.
I know your hearing excuses..but I hope and strive to be with others as much as I could. Normally my cul de sac is full of neighbors but its unusually quiet.
I’m leaving next Tuesday to be with my son and granddaughter next week…after that I’m going to California to be with friends for a week.
Val and I cancelled three vacation getaways this year due to the need for treatments. If Val were here now ..she might have second thoughts about the fight she took..but she kept getting praise and hope from the doctors up and until to hours before I was notified to one to Val’s bedside. Her Specialist called me that night before at 10pm to ask about Val..and then tell me “Craig,normally after the cancer goes to the brain you have 3-6 months”.
I did the mental math and Valerie had just passed the three month mark.
So my gut was wretched at that point and two hours later I called the hospital and the rest is history.
But in essence…yes you have very valid points and I’m sorry for your loss..as it appears you lost your father way too soon.
Warmest regards,
Craig
By: Craig Robinson on October 11, 2012
at 9:16 PM
Craig, I lost my mother two years ago, and my father (to cancer) half a century ago. The empty hurt feeling never entirely “went away” for my mother and me, but we learned to live around it, saving happy memories too, and comforting each other when tears could not be contained.
I think it’s important to know that you can still give and receive love, even if it’s a pet dog or cat, and not be completely alone.
Finding friends just to talk to over coffee a few times a week, so you don’t lose the knack of conversation, is worthwhile.
Make the effort to stay social, whatever that means to you — dinner parties, church meetings, fish fries, SCA or SF events, things that keep you involved in life, and get you and other people involved with each other. Anything you can teach, or coach — hey!
By: Raven on October 11, 2012
at 8:41 PM
uawtradesman: As to who killed Chris Stevens, I think the actual militias who carried out the attack should get the primary blame, and note where the sympathy of the Libyan people went — they forced those militias all the way out of the city.
But as to who weakened embassy security: GOP Rep. Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: ‘You Have To Prioritize Things’
By: Raven on October 11, 2012
at 7:49 PM
Hey uaw,
The Onion is a well known satire site.
Though it does confuse some people. The one thing the confused have in common is they usually don’t have a sense of humor.
IRAN used an Onion poll/article in their media.
SO you’re in good company.
PEACE ~ Δ
By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 10, 2012
at 11:07 AM
UAW: “Obama killed Ambassador Chris Stevens.” That’s a new low, even for you.
By: Terri in NY on October 10, 2012
at 8:44 AM
Jean,
Imagine that .. We have a connection. My wife
With all her education relied on me to get her on food and recipe sites.
I also have several friends older than me as of
Today Oct 9 , I’m 62. But I’ve got a 81 year old girl friend at the gym. She lost her husband some 10 years ago but we kid and walk together. I even got her a part time job at
Medical school acting as a patient with a script to be a challenge for Med students to try
And figure out her issues or medical challenges.
I specialize in Psych disorders and have developed quite a reputation as being Dr Robinsons husband… By osmosis I’ve learned to be manic , bi-polar .. Etc .
Thanks for knocking at my door if you wish.
Regards
Craig
Ps… I don’t have horns and can be congenial.
Aloha.
By: Craig on October 9, 2012
at 9:57 PM
Hi Congenial Gang,
Thank you, Craig, for your invitation to “friend” you on Facebook and e mail. Unfortunately, I do not “do” Facebook or Twitter. Don’t know how. I am technology challenged and just barely computer literate from the get go. Ever since my infinitely patient computer guru died (of cancer), my only social networking has been M&H occasionally and of course delurkergurl’s blog. It’s very hard to teach an Old Bitch (83) new tricks. Besides that, my e mail inbox is backed up from April awaiting my responses. Sigh. Time consuming.
However, I trust you will check in here from time to time and let us know how you are coming along.
Aloha!
Namaste. Shalom. Saalam. Peace.
Auntie Jean
By: waialeale on October 9, 2012
at 9:47 PM
WTF ….Whirled Peas….
the Onion……why don’t they call that site horseshit……their not as factual as the Daily Show…..OK…their better than HuffPo……
lets get real….Romney wants to kill BIG BIRD and Obama killed Ambassador Chris Stevens ……YEP…He’s glad Obama’s looking out for him….
By: uawtradesman on October 9, 2012
at 9:42 PM