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Posted by: Helen Philpot | August 22, 2012

My Vagina Has Legitimate Concerns About Electing Republicans

Margaret, I am aware that some people may call me a single issue voter. Not true. What is true is that the Republicans have become a single issue party.

What Akin actually said was, “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.” And then in his apology he stated, “I made that statement in error. Rape is never legitimate. It is an evil act.”

There are just so many things wrong with that statement that I don’t even know where to begin. I do know, however, that my legitimate foot is going to meet a certain illegitimate ass if I ever run into this Akin fella.

Rape is never legitimate? So that means that rape is illegitimate? And I guess illegitimate rape is when the woman enjoys the attack so much that she gets pregnant? Even in his apology there is no awareness of the real issue. He gives absolutely no thought to the woman – just the man and the “child”? And where does Akin get his opinion on the reproductive system of a woman, or as he calls it “that whole thing”. Clearly he’s a few credits shy of being a gynecologist, but he does have a degree in management engineering. I guess on the weekends, he manages to hang out with doctors and discuss how that whole female reproductive system thing has been engineered to protect itself against rape. Honestly, Margaret, where do they find these asshats? Is it just me, or is there a different Republican each week with his head up my whole thing? What exactly are they looking for up there – a tax refund?

Of course today Republicans everywhere are backtracking from Akin’s whole thing faster than a cockroach when the light comes on. And speaking of a cockroach, Sarah Palin should be coming out of the shadows pretty soon to voice her support of Akin because even women in the Republican party don’t seem to have compassion for the rape victim. Somewhere in Arizona, John McCain is chewing on an aspirin, remembering when the wheels came off a certain Straight Talk Express.

Well Romney and Ryan can run away from Akin all they want, but the fact remains that the current platform held by the Republican Party calls for a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion with no exceptions for cases of rape or incest. It also says the Republican Party supports a “human life amendment” to the Constitution. Akin was simply reading from the talking points.

As far as I can see, today’s Republican Party is about as useful to women as a jockstrap. So I suggest we all put on our big girl panties and head to the voting booth this November because my whole thing has legitimate concerns about electing Republicans. I mean it. Really.

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  3. I cannot believe we are having to fight over this again 40 years after Roe v. Wade. When I had my daughter 19 years ago, I was so happy I was bringing her into a world of advancement for women and all this bs was behind us. I am glad to say she’ll be joining me this time
    in the voting booth making sure her rights stay firmly in place.

  4. You ladies are amazing!!!!!!!!! I love this blog!

  5. So I recently got into a little Twitter tiff with the conservative owner of “Life News”, a horrific prolife website that uses the usual tactics of lies and misinformation, and let me tell you, I was appalled at how immature this was– Steven Ertelt– was. Instead of responding to the facts presented to him, he switched gears to “sexism” and name calling. It was insane. You can see the whole thing here: http://wp.me/p18P8Y-sh

  6. UAW the garden-info exchange applies to you too. There are many people I disagree with; I maintain friendships with them anyway!

  7. Skyler, I couldn’t bring myself to watch any of the Grand Obstructionists Party Circus under the big tent in Tampa. Now all I can gather from what others have written is that ole Clint was just touting his latest movie. I can’t recall the exact name but it’s about “a curve ball” and he plays an old white geezer who’s losing it. You all thought he was messing up the 15 minutes of fame he was offered while he has the last laugh. Brilliant, eh? – Terry

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  9. Probably right, Bo, about Ann Romney. I just remember how snooty she got with some reporter who was asking her why they didn’t release their tax returns. She gave their usual explanation, but me thinks she protested WAY too much and got WAY too angry about it. And I cannot seem to get the visual out of my mind.

  10. Skyler — Eastwood actually did a spot-on impersonation of UAWtradesman at the convention last night! As far as Ann R. is concerned, I don’t think she is necessarily mean . . . the look is just an unfortunate result of either bad cosmetic surgery or over-botoxing. Peace.

  11. Again — dear people on the porch — I say that this country should try to do elections like the Brits: six weeks and thats it! After viewing the GOP convention, stolen right out from under them at the last minute by Eastwood, it should be screamingly obvious that the procedure should be greatly tweaked. What they didn’t get was that the empty chair bit is used by every drama coach past and present. After last night, probably not in the future. What the bleep did Mitt’s handlers expect? Eastwood has a truckload of awards and with his background of umpty-ump films, he is more ingrained into the American psyche than Romney ever will be. And Eastwood knows this! Hence the chutzpah of throwing away the script in front of a nationally televised audience. But Romney and his handlers never had a clue that this sort of thing could happen! Tells yah sumthin, doesn’t it.

  12. So what was Clint Eastwood smokin’ tonight? Or is it Alzheimer’s? Drunk? I guess I haven’t seen him in a long time. I used to like him. Would have expected him to be more respectful of the presidency than that. Acting as if Obama is in the imaginary chair spewing curse words was not cool. Romney’s speech writers really must have put in some long hours getting him to act like a real person who cares about women, children and the middle class. Ann R. still looks like she’s a mean, mad person to me. However, it’s been proven over and over again that taxes have to be raised in wartime or else the economy tumbles (like in the Bush years) and yet, this is exactly what Romney wants to do — go to war with Iran while cutting taxes. What’s HE smokin?

  13. Hi, Maria91 – Nice to hear from you. Yeah; the guy (Ryan) can talk. And the guy lies. (Oh; guess those can be described as “misstatements”.)

    Do you ever wonder why people do these things? Scares me. Really. And I mean it. (As M&H might say.)

    I’m battling between total depression and total energizing… Hope I have the strength to get behind the latter, and hope you do, too.

    We just cannot give up on this.


  14. Hi, back, Easier – Here, too, I have to keep asking my geeky friends (thank goodness I have a few) what these various initial things mean. LMFAO took me a while.

    This is a great site. M&H have the courage to put stuff out, and then let us all do our things. Happy to say that I had a WONDERFUL “Ladies Night” tonight, here in my small Community. Fourteen really interesting and thoughtful women, sitting around a couple of picnic tables, and talking about a lot of important things. I told everyone there about M&H, and urged them to join in the discussion. I think we’ll have some new additional voices coming soon.

    At our best, we are thoughtful, intelligent, and compassionate. At our worst, we are petty, combative, and frightened.

    Please remember to work local where you can. Discussion is great; registering voters is probably the most important thing.

    Thanks, M&H… And thanks, Matthew. You’ve doing a great thing.


  15. Waving back at you Lori! Good to hear from you!

    Gato, I am sorry to say I had to google BTW (by the way right?) :) I got the hang of LOL not very long ago and learning new ones everyday. I am kind of a sorry sort when it comes to those things.

    I just want to say many thanks to you and Cynthia especially, to have kept the conversation going on this site on a sane level.

  16. Just stumbled upon this op-ed on Fox News (no kidding) that tears Paul Ryan’s convention speech apart. No kidding — I nearly fell out of my chair in disbelief.


  17. I guess Obama didn’t wave work rules for welfare….



  18. speaking of adds…..


  19. Loved your tweets last night Helen! They sure helped to endure the white noise coming from the TV! Waving hello to my buds ….. stay strong and fight hard!

  20. Thank you!


  21. Do you suffer from…


    Try Legitimate Rape!

    To see if LR is right for you, ask your doctor congressman. ;)

    PEACE ~ Δ

  22. Hi, Cynthia – I’d call that “sharing”, rather than “stealing”. And I may “share” that comment, myself…! It’s a good one.

    As for the ads – Yes, all the big oil and energy companies (who make me nauseous touting their “greenness” and their reliance on “the power of human energy”), and every pharmaceutical you can think of, particularly for allergies (where the “side effects” are listed as “congestion, runny nose, difficulty breathing” and so on) and, of course, plenty of products for combatting the dreaded “erectile dysfunction”…

    I can’t remember the last time I saw an ad for any form of birth control, however…


  23. Mother Jones has a quiz and will donate 10 cents to Planned Parent for every correct answer. (I think this link will get you there)


    Gato – Darn you you caught me stealing! I stole it from a commenter who credited “ahh whatshisname”. Try google. But to add – since news depends upon advertizers and they can control on what is reported. Notice ads for BP Oil, Clean Coal, Drugs – things you don’t buy at the store. Why? Big money in ads keeps the news from reporting bad things about them.


  24. Hi, Easier (Great handle, BTW) –

    Yep, they are incredibly ugly – and the amazing thing is that the people who have them seem to love either love them for their weirdness, or not care at all. The other thing that struck me about France, in addition to its very good public transportation systems, is the fact that all the big national highways have three lanes, each dedicated to a particular “speed zone”. If you are driving an ancient truck overloaded with bales of hay, you drive in the right hand lane; if you’re in an “average” car, you drive in the middle lane; and, if you’ve got a slick Ferrari, BMW, or Lamborghini, you can pretty much go as fast as you like in the left-hand lane.

    The amazing thing is that everybody seems quite content to drive in the appropriate lane, and nobody minds being passed on the highway. You NEVER see some lumbering pickup in the fast lane refusing to pull over for the head-light flashing Lamborghini on his tail. They seem to really understand that different people do things differently, for whatever reason, and those differences are accommodated, by public facilities, and seem to be accepted by almost everyone. (Of course, it’s safer, as well, because you don’t have the fast drivers cutting in and out of all three lanes…)

    It’s that acceptance and provision-making that I found so impressive.

    (And nobody needs to bother reminding me of all the things that are “wrong” with this or that European country; I’m well aware there’s plenty of pettiness and racism and graft and greed and all kinds of stuff, as well… Just like here.)


  25. I never realized that the GOTP was sooooooo….

    Pro-Choice! ;)

    PEACE ~ Δ

  26. Hi, again, Cynthia – That is an awesome statement about the relative impact of a lie being based on its magnitude. What’s the source? (You have it in quotes, so I’m assuming it’s not originally from you – though if it is, I’m impressed yet again!)


  27. Hi, Cynthia – I agree with your understanding that most “news” programming is now just one component of a larger “media empire” and, like all components, is required to bring in revenue for its owners and shareholders. To do that, of course, they have to have advertisers to pay for it, and the larger their audience, the more money they can demand from their advertisers. And, to get people to watch, they are compelled to be as melodramatic as possible all the time. The more controversy or outrage, the “better”; we all get a big adrenalin rush watching people yell at and argue with, each other, no matter what they are actually saying. They can be talking about thousands of people being slaughtered in the Sudan, or a hamster seen running across Kim Kardashian’s front yard – both are presented with equal drama. And the “drama” is what grabs us – not the “news” itself. (I’m pretty sure I’m just agreeing with you, and not telling you anything you don’t already know! Just adding my voice…)

    The second thing I find troublesome is that “opinion” is no longer separated from “fact”. In classic news programming, people (then called “commentators”, not “pundits”) often presented their opinions about something that was happening, but it was very clear that it was an “opinion” ABOUT some piece of news, not “news” in and of itself. Blurring this distinction allows the programs to be even more melodramatic, more of the time. All the broadcast media seem to do this – although I certainly find of them more blatant and excessive than others – and the web tries to do it as much as possible, too. My browser home page is always cluttered up with things bouncing around and flashing and so on… All of which must be gotten rid of before I can actually find anything.)

    So this means that an hour long “news” program usually consists of five to ten minutes – maybe – of actual “news”… Surrounded by fifty minutes of arguing, yelling, and carrying on… And people will think that someone’s “opinion” is actually “true”, just because someone said it – and then they pass it on as truth, and somebody else believes it, and so on and so on…

    I am not exempting myself from having done this! Like everyone, there are some people whose opinions I like and trust, and some I don’t. But when someone presents his or her opinion – or someone else’s – as a “fact”, I object.

    I frequently get (melodramatic) emails from my brother-in-law that start out with something like, “READ THIS IF YOU CARE AT ALL ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!” And then what is attached, presented with all kinds of references and footnotes, turns out to be a word-for-word repetition of some pundit’s opinion about something that is totally untrue and was resurrected from some radio talk show originally aired in 2004…

    Good for you for not watching TV! I’m impressed.


  28. Ryan claims if he and Mitt are elected they would usher in an ethic of responsibility.


    1. Ryan claims&blames Obama promised that a GM plant would not close but did……Dec 2008 under GWB – but he never made the promise.
    2. Ryan claims&blames Obama funneled $716 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obamacare. But fails to mention that his own budget plan relies on those very same savings.
    3. Ryan claims&blames Obama for not supporting a deficit commission report without mentioning that he himself had voted against it, helping to kill it.
    4. Ryan claims&blames Obama is responsible for Standard & Poor’s downgrade of U.S. government debt. But fails to mention the reason S&P did so.
    5. The campaign claims&blames Obama removed work requirements from welfare.

    “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.” I give them credit for this at least they are honest about it. And yes both sides do it. It just that one side is particularly good at it.

    “The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies.”


  29. Way to go M&H. Keep ‘em comin’!

    A clip from The Newsroom:

    Tea Party = American Taliban

    PEACE ~ Δ

  30. Gato, I agree with your post. “Socialist” Europe understood early that tending to the greater good helps a greater number of people. The public transportation system in Europe serves populations well. It is also not wasteful. Here, It is so limiting, once away from big cities like New York, Washington, or Chicago, etc., to get anything done without private transportation. This really impacts the poor in smaller communities.

    Your speaking of the Deux Chevaux (2CV) brought back fond memories. I saw one the other day on the streets of America, one with a Canadian license plate and I became very excited at the sight. A car from times past! The 2CV did get you from point a to point b without froufrou. But boy, were they ugly!

  31. uaw –
    As I understand it – 5 or 6 corporations control all the media. There was a time when the news department was completely separate from the entertainment section on tv. The news section did not make money; it was only to report the news based on facts. Had to do with the rules for a broadcasting lisence. But that has changed and now it is all about ratings and money. I see it the other way and we are both right. They are just playing a game with us. (don’t have tv any more). Anyone – feel free to add or correct.


  32. Hi, Cynthia –

    Nice thoughtful post. Enjoyed seeing it.


  33. Hi, Skyler – You bring up a very interesting point. We, in the good ol’ US of A, live in what we call a “capitalist democracy”… And that’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one. The President doesn’t have much say at all about gas prices – that’s up to “the market”, which seems to have its own rules and goals… And those rules and goals are all about profit – for them, and their shareholders.

    The most any President can do is to suggest policies that might offer alternatives to paying high prices for auto fuel. That might be anything from an expanded public transportation system, to alternative energy sources, to finding ways that we don’t have to pump so many gallons of fossil fuels into our tanks. And then the Congress would have to agree to those suggestions. Not much of that happening around here these days!

    I have been fortunate to spend some time in Europe, mainly England and France. When people there want to go somewhere, they get on a train. The trains, and all the other public transportation systems, are clean, convenient, and inexpensive. Gasoline is considered a luxury item, always has been, and it’s incredibly expensive there, from an American’s point of view. Those who have cars, often have very small ones. They can fit five people into a Deux Chevaux. And they don’t seem to mind. Their cities are also set up so that, if you live in one of them, you can easily WALK from your home to your place of work, or to your children’s school, and back, maybe stopping on the way home at four or five small, family-owned businesses, to pick up some vegetables here, some fresh-baked bread there, and dessert pastries at a third place.

    Now… HTG, I know I’m going to get all the anti-American slams here. I just think that, were we given some better alternatives, we would be smart enough to take them.

    As long as private corporations are making tons of money for their shareholders by not offering those alternatives, we won’t have them.

    Disclosure: I’m three years into retirement, and most of my money is in the stock market, in a variety of its permutations. This doesn’t make me happy, morally, but it seems to be the only game in town. And it allows me to send some cash to causes in which I believe.


  34. Geez… how the stories change after four years…..$4.09 gas and we have plenty of gas now…only$95.28/barrel…not $147.00 like 4 years ago……what do they pay in taxes in Canada…about $3.a gallon…..appx $.50 a gallon here in MI…..
    what I was waiting for was someone to come back saying it’s Bush’s fault…..
    YEP 4 more years…..(HEHEHEHE)

  35. Gas prices are determined by OPEC so this is one less thing to blame on Obama! – Terry

  36. Well,I’m an American currently living in Canada, and I just paid more than 4.09/gallon for gas here today. Is that Obama’s fault too? And is it even the President’s fault when gas prices go up? When Bush was in office, I remember being told that gas prices had nothing to do with who was president, so I’m just curious.

  37. while were at it lets have a big HURRAH for Obama and the $4.09 gas today…….

  38. OOOPS…..


  39. NO Cynthia…..”Curious – “Kick the tires”?? = make waves?, rattle cages?, jerk your chain?….
    Kick tires to make sure everything is OK and and nothing bad is hidden….
    Like I said I really get pissed when liberals complain about Republicans acting like Democrats…..

    another thing that pisses me off is the MSM and their news coverage….do you REALLY REALLY think that Romney wants to party while blacks drown….I myself think the MSN would “sacrifice” a few blacks to win an election for the Democrats……..

  40. uaw –
    Open hand extended with a smile (tried many time to put into words so did it this way)

    Agree with much of what you have said and will add. The written word is too easily misunderstood. We come with a different set of facts and figures on the issues. We both lack truly creditable sources of truth and facts. Obama is not perfect nor is he the worse president ever….that would be Millard Fillmore. Both parties and their politicians have been corrupted by money and by people and corporations who have their own agendas. The poor and the middle class are not a part of their agendas. They have fed us lies and have us fighting among ourselves to the point we don’t realize they are robbing the treasury and destroying democracy. So we choose a side we believe or trust to be the right choice. But we won’t be around to see if we chose correctly but our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will have to live with it. 99% of the conservatives who come here don’t come to talk. They lead with insults and put downs – fighting words. I don’t blame you for everything; it takes two to start an argument. I share your concerns and fears however, I fear the Republicans more than the Democrats. If we don’t do something about the environment none of this will matter. If we (R&Ds) were ever to stop fighting and actually talk to each other I believe we would find we have more in common then we realize.

    Curious – “Kick the tires”?? = make waves?, rattle cages?, jerk your chain?


  41. just heard two quarts of of tomato juice go “TINK”….

  42. cynthia…..
    “In fact you do nothing but slam liberals, Obama, Democrats etc. And IMO much of your information is questionable as to the facts,. So you do the same thing you accuse me/us of doing. Could say more but another day.”

    This whole site does nothing but slam Republicans, conservatives,and anyone who doesn’t bow down to the great Obama….I said(posted) a long time ago that I was here to “kick the tires” and point out that the Dems are just as guilty as the Republicans……..Stupid is stupid no matter which party you belong to…..
    was Akin’s statement stupid….Sure….Even Rush wants him to drop out….but did the Dems help get him elected…Yes….what they really need now just to prove a point is have him get elected….Hey…the best candidate that the Dems could campaign for….
    trying to slam Romney because of Akin is dirty rotten politics…….that’s why I’m worried about my rectum and electing Democrats…..I don’t want it dry OR with sand on it….

  43. Hi Cynthia…..
    If you go back and look you posted about the miners fight(Blair Mountain) and I simply said the the phrase REDNECK was coined there…….OK…one of many coining but still factual…..
    did things get blown out of whack….YEP…..happens a lot on this site…..and don’t try to blame me for all of them……swing at me and I’ll swing back…..and I don’t believe in writing paragraphs when one or two words will suffice….and with 30+ years working in a shop I know a few of them…..

  44. Gato –

    Absolutely! (I a rush)


  45. Hi, Cynthia – Will do. No problem. Didn’t realize it was a one-to-one thing. Am I still welcome to respond to you? Let me know.

    And peace to you, too. Really (as Helen would say, and mean it).


  46. Gato –

    I am hoping you will understand this as I want you to do. I am asking in my most respectful, sincere, kindest way to please stay out of this. It is only between UAW and me. I do understand him and I am not insulted by anything he says. I can fight my own battles with him. Thank you.


  47. Hi, Cynthia – I wanted to remark to UAW a bit ago (but somehow wasn’t able to post it) that I am really impressed with the fact that he never disappoints! It takes a lot of creativity to point out the “obvious” connection between the physical signs of a vitamin deficiency and a specific political position. Gotta hand it to him. Great energy and dedication there!

    Just don’t talk about vitamins or nutrition (or even your horse), Woman, lest you be immediately censured as a… You know, that epithet that starts with an “A”.

    And, yes, UAW, I’m guilty of snarking, and not for the first time. Probably won’t be the last time, either, darn it. Already said that. Live with it. Or do whatever you want, as ever!


  48. UAW –
    Truce- waving white flag for the moment. I do not wish to fight with you.
    1. My second comment is out of sync. it should have followed the long comment.
    2. There are a number of explanations for the term “red neck” and we are both correct. – as I stated in the PS of my comment. I was surprised to learn there was a medical explanation for it.
    3. I simply confirmed and corrected it was Niacin not Selenium.
    4. Comments about my mare are fact and it truly amazes me..
    5. This is a liberal leaning blog; we are not inclined to praise the conservatives.
    6. As the only conservative left on this blog you are getting a lot of flack. I don’t really agree with them or you. We all get to fighting and everyone goes to a corner, sulks and nothing gets done.
    7. In fact you do nothing but slam liberals, Obama, Democrats etc. And IMO much of your information is questionable as to the facts,. So you do the same thing you accuse me/us of doing. Could say more but another day.
    6. MOST IMPORTANTLY – You slam me and I will slam back…..if I want to and if I can. I can be one damn smartass with a wicked sense of humor too; not one of the finer points I inherited. If you throw it at me I will throw it back and if you can’t handle it then don’t throw it.


  49. WTF…..
    President Obama Won’t Be Returning His Donations From Bain Capital
    Several Top Democrats Take Campaign Contributions From Bain Capital
    “Pelosi – the former House majority leader – has received $10,000 from Bain since last year for her campaign.”
    “Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill got $22,500 from Romney’s former equity firm for her campaign war chest.”


  50. so Cynthia and her horse have the same IQ….

  51. Alaskapi…apparently you got enough selenium……
    I don’t think there are many/any Centrists left …..what ever happened to “Ask not what your country can do for you…..ask what can you do for your country……If that involves learning in school instead of just eating the covers….good…. fine with me…to many liberals/and teachers seem to think that eating the books works………
    Let me know if the fishermen up there think the fish should jump in their boats and scale/filet themselves or if some hard work is OK…..or do they have illegal aliens there doing the work…..

  52. uaw –
    And she said to tell you are a horse’s ass if you vote Republican these days…that straight from the horse’s mouth! As I said she is one smart horse!


  53. Cynthia…google redneck wars and the first one is “the battle of Blair Mountain”…..what did you post about…other than stupid shit trying to slam conservatives…..

  54. @ uawtradesman on August 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM
    but UAW…you like to talk like you have the answers and I just pointed out what is actually factual.


    In America, the term ‘redneck’ actually comes from a vitamin B deficiency that causes heightened susceptibility to sunburns. Interestingly, most Americans are, today, deficient in B vitamins as well, which is why they are so easily susceptible to sunburns. As explained in Staying Healthy With Nutrition by Dr. Elson Haas, M.D.:

    For a long period of history, the niacin deficiency disease, pellagra, was a very serious and fatal problem. Characterized as the disease of the “three Ds,” pellagra causes its victims to experience dermatitis, diarrhea, and dementia. The fourth D was death. As described previously, the classic B3 deficiency occurs mainly in cultures whose diets rely heavily on corn and where the corn is not prepared in a way that releases its niacin. One of the first signs of pellagra, or niacin deficiency, is the skin’s sensitivity to light, and the skin becomes rough, thick, and dry (pellagra means “skin that is rough” in Italian). The skin then becomes darkly pigmented, especially in areas of the body prone to be hot and sweaty or those exposed to sun. The first stage of this condition is extreme redness and sensitivity of those exposed areas, and it was from this symptom that the term “redneck,” describing the bright red necks of eighteenth-and nineteenth-century niacin-deficient fieldworkers, came into being.

    I rate your answer as such: A DUMBASS SMARTASS

    PS – my mare was diagnosed as being selenium deficient and she did not have a red neck!
    And she is one damn smart horse believe me. There are a number of answers to the term “red neck” and we are both correct.


  55. Cynthia, No I had not heard that story. Thanks for sharing it. When I was working in retail I realized first hand why unions are so important. A fellow worker had a run in with a customer, the worker was right but she was chastised by corporate headquarters. The letter that came to our store was a classic. I wish I had had the means to copy it but I do remember the line that stated their stand: “The customer is always right; even when the customer is wrong, the customer is right.”
    We could be cheated by unscrupulous customers and have to take it. The bottom line, however, is that it reinforces bad behavior and we, as honest customers, pay for it in the long run since the company isn’t going to just “eat the loss” any more than they do when someone shoplifts. – Terry

  56. UAW- I’m the most liberal commenter here at M and H’s.
    Nobody even bit on my diatribe about Centrist Dem philosophy. I make moderates nervous.
    You telling me I have a low IQ?

    hippie, commie , liberal, weirdo, but above average intelligence Pi

    ( there were some other names folks called me here over the years but I’ve forgotten them … )

  57. I am loving your columns recently, ladies.

    I live in Missouri now, and in total honesty, I was a sorority sister of Sen. Claire McCaskill. And I will support her. No, I’m not a Democrat or a Republican — my voting record of almost 40 years is pretty well split between the two.

    I’m also a rape victim, of a stranger who broke into my home and almost strangled me. (Decades ago. I’ve over it.) So I’m not overly fond of Todd Akin’s rather assinine assertions. Luckily for me, pregnancy wasn’t a factor.

    I’m pro-choice, because like Helen, I don’t believe the government belongs in my who-ha anymore than it belongs in your throbbing manhood.

    I* personally wouldn’t choose abortion — although who knows what I would have done if it had been a result of the rape. Because of my personal experience with having to face that choice, I will defend to my death a woman’s right to chose for herself and I will not judge that decision. That’s God’s job, not mine.

    However, I have to admit admiration for Rep. Akin’s decision to stay in the race. He’s standing behind his principles. I don’t necessarily agree with most of those, but I will defend to my death his right to have them. To me, that’s the beauty of America.

    The most offensive thing the GOP committed in its reaction to the flap was to pressure a candidate, who FAIRLY won a three-way primary race, to quit. (Those who voted for him knew where he stood; he’s made no secret of the fact he doesn’t believe in abortion for any reason. And he was the darkhorse in the primary.).

    So now every time a candidate makes a bone-headed comment, their parties are going to to make them quit and then appoint THEIR preferred candidate, circumventing the electorate? Seriously?

    First, corporations can now be “people” in order to contibute to and influence elections. And now party officials think they can decide who we vote for if theydon’t think the guy we elected can win?


    You want to find people who are waging war on the American electorate, look no further than the party bigwigs and the corporations. They don’t WANT your piddly little single vote to count unless it’s for them.

    This is really the takeaway from the Akin flap — I’d love to see the mainstream media actually bring this up.

  58. and Gato …don’t ever believe that you never made a :”smart-mouth comments here (usually also repetitive, hostile, aggressive, and often misinformed)”

  59. I needed to go dressed like a tongue…..


  60. but Cynthia …you like to talk about history and I just pointed out what actually happened….you should also check with the doctor because I believe it was a lack of selenium and it caused liberalism(low IQ…same diff)…..

  61. Just dropping by long enough to read Helen and Margaret’s latest post, and to once again say how much I love them. I mean it. Really.

  62. Hi, BO – The curses are wonderful! Thanks for passing on the site. (I laughed out loud at the one about the daughter-in-law and “your lump Rebecca”…)


  63. [...] we are done with the long preamble check out this blog post from two of the coolest ladies ever!  My Vagina Has Legitimate Concerns About Electing Republicans!  I don’t even need to write about Aikin and his asshattery – these ladies did it for [...]

  64. HI, Terri, and Beth – Thanks for the support. When I read somebody’s smart-mouth comments here (usually also repetitive, hostile, aggressive, and often misinformed), my first reaction is to reply in an equally smart-mouth fashion. And I can be pretty good at that, I like to think. I get a big adrenalin rush… And then, shortly after having done it, I am pretty convinced that, as you say, what I just posted was pretty useless as far as gaining any insight is concerned, however much I might have enjoyed doing it. (And I’m sure that my saying “pretty useless” will very likely be thrown back in my face within twenty minutes!) That’s not gonna kill me, or even bother me much…

    I just thought this time I’d listen to some of my better angels, and try a less combative approach. The result was interesting: After five or six rapid-fire posts actually offering some of the “common ground” I’d hoped to find, the poster concluded that, nevertheless, he thought my post was “asshat”. If so, I wondered why he bothered to reply at all, let alone multiple times.

    And then I recalled something that a psychologist said we should always remember about toddlers: A child would prefer to be praised, than to be scolded, but prefers being scolded to being ignored. That’s why “shunning”, as practiced by some religious groups, is such a powerful and dreaded punishment, simple as it is. And, obviously, that’s why a lot of people blog!


  65. Hey Gato,
    You’re not a jerk. You seem sane and rational and very kind. I just hated to see you offer a hand in friendship to someone who I knew would slap it away (which he did). I have reached the conclusion that some people are just not reachable. It makes life simpler to accept that. But don’t change,it’s nice to know there are still nice people like you out there. Peace.

  66. uaw –

    I heard another explanation for the term “red neck” from a doctor. A deficiency the vitamin B3 or Niacin will cause the neck to turn red. A poor diet along with food grown in Niacin poor soil is the problem. Many places especially in the south the soil was niacin deficient.


  67. GATO, I love your post. Thanks for your support. You are so right.

  68. and before I say goodnight Cynthia…..


  69. and Gato…you reached out for 28 minutes…..what if I hadn’t come back to this site for 2-3 days……would that make you feel superior or something…..I believe that post rates you an ASSHAT

  70. want some more middle ground…I don’t mind helping people but if you have the money to buy cigarettes,alcohol,meth,coke, or weed you sure as shit don’t need food stamps…..there’s others out there that really need help……

    Is it fair to random drug test workers so that their taxes can go to people that don’t have to be drug tested for welfare….

  71. and Cynthia….they put red kerchiefs around their necks coming up with the term REDNECK…..

  72. HI there…Gato, Cynthia <and Terri……
    so lets find some middle ground…..I am pro-choice…….I don't believe a woman(unless for medical reasons) should wait 30-32 weeks to have an abortion…..take the pill the next day…fine……
    I think anyone able to pay should….and if your going to Georgetown you should be able to come up with the $25 for birth control…….
    I've already said the tax laws need to be worked on……I just can't figure out why people here don't complain about the Dems that use all the loopholes in today's tax code…..
    Todd Akin….the best Republican that the Dems could vote in…..
    need I keep going…..
    and no Cynthia…I'm not chasing men…….I've got a Dem girlfriend…..

  73. This weekend marks the anniversary of the most brutal confrontation in the history of the American labor movement, the Battle of Blair Mountain. For one week during 1921, armed, striking coal miners battled scabs, a private militia, police officers and the US Army. 100 people died, 1,000 were arrested, and one million shots were fired. It was the largest armed rebellion in America since the Civil War.

    This how it happened. In the Twenties, West Virginia coal miners lived in “company towns.” The mining companies owned all the property. They literally ran union organizers out of town – or killed them.

    In 1912, in a strike at Paint Creek, the mining company forced the striking miners and their families out of their homes, to live in tents. Then they sent armed goons into that tent city, and opened fire on men, women and children there with a machine gun.

    By 1920, the United Mine Workers had organized the northern mines in West Virginia, but they were barred from the southern mines. When southern miners tried to join the union, they were fired and evicted. To show who was boss, one mining company tried to place machine guns on the roofs of buildings in town.

    In Matewan, when the coal company goons came to town to take it upon themselves to enforce eviction notices, the mayor and the sheriff asked them to leave. The goons refused. Incredibly, the goons tried to arrest the sheriff, Sheriff Hatfield. Shots were fired, and the mayor and nine others were killed. But the company goons had to flee.

    The government sided with the coal companies, and put Sheriff Hatfield on trial for murder. The jury acquitted him. Then they put the sheriff on trial for supposedly dynamiting a non-union mine. As the sheriff walked up the courthouse steps to stand trial again, unarmed, company goons shot him in cold blood. In front of his wife.

    This led to open confrontations between miners on one hand, and police and company goons on the other. 13,000 armed miners assembled, and marched on the southern mines in Logan and Mingo Counties. They confronted a private militia of 2,000, hired by the coal companies.

    President Harding was informed. He threatened to send in troops and even bombers to break the union. Many miners turned back, but then company goons started killing unarmed union men, and some armed miners pushed on. The militia attacked armed miners, and the coal companies hired airplanes to drop bombs on them. The US Army Air Force, as it was known then, observed the miners’ positions from overhead, and passed that information on to the coal companies.

    The miners actually broke through the militia’s defensive perimeter, but after five days, the US Army intervened, and the miners stood down. By that time, 100 people were dead. Almost a thousand miners then were indicted for murder and treason. No one on the side of the coal companies was ever held accountable.

    The Battle of Blair Mountain showed that the miners could not defeat the coal companies and the government in battle. But then something interesting happened: the miners defeated the coal companies and the government at the ballot box. In 1925, convicted miners were paroled. In 1932, Democrats won both the State House and the White House. In 1935, President Roosevelt signed the National Labor Relations Act. Eleven years after the Battle of Blair Mountain, the United Mine Workers organized the southern coal fields in West Virginia.

    The Battle of Blair Mountain did not have a happy ending for Sheriff Hatfield, or his wife, or the 100 men, women and children who died, or the hundreds who were injured, or the thousands who lost their jobs. But it did have a happy ending for the right to organize, and the middle class, and America.

    Now let me ask you one thing: had you ever heard of this landmark event in American history, the Battle of Blair Mountain, before you read this? And if not, then why not? Think about that.

    Alan Grayson

  74. Hi, Terri,

    Okay. Yeah; the reaching out thing didn’t work I’m a jerk.


  75. UAW – Well, I tried my best to connect with you. Evidently that’s not going to be happening, and is of no interest to you. You just keep being who you are, just as you are meant to be.


  76. uaw –
    First how do you know so much about male Dem’s anatomy? Something you like to tell us?

    so are you out chasing Republican men to “get a little”……..
    You said it not me.

    No I don’t think two days will do it. We start with 1 year and go from there. At least it will be 1 year of peace from you whiny about your damn Viagra.


  77. Sorry Gato, but I don’t agree. Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole. I have no time or patience for his nonsense.

  78. Hi,Terri – Absolutely understand what you’re saying. And also believe that if we don’t know what’s really worrying people like UAW, we will make no progress. I’m kind of in reaching-out mode. Maybe it’s Sunday evening; maybe I’m trying to practice compassion. I truly hope that, on my part, it’s the latter. Troubled people should never be dismissed, annoying as they might be, and much as we might like to dismiss them.

    I love talking to like-minded sisters, and I’m grateful to Margaret and Helen, and Matthew, for inviting us to do so. And I also know that the more important thing is to acknowledge the legitimacy of those who don’t agree with me. I assume their concerns are real, however well, or annoyingly, they may express them.

    Sent with peace to all,


  79. well Gato…..
    (Some real candor on your part would be helpful here, so I can know what’s troubling you. I really do want to know.)
    LMFAO because I doubt you really give a shit…..
    If you haven’t figured it out yet I respond to the most stupid shit that others state here…..such as “Damn those Republicans for doing the same thing that Dems do”……
    or “We need to pass this bill to see what’s in it”…….

  80. well Terri and Gato….
    “Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.”
    Dr. Seuss…..

    In response to E-Mails about my dog……


  81. yes Cynthia try to follow the Togo plan…stop for 2 days….

  82. Well, UAW… Now that you have somehow measured the relative testiclular weights of various party members, and come to your own conclusions, let’s cut to the chase, shall we?

    What is it that is missing from your life, and what do you hope anyone else to do about those missing things? (Some real candor on your part would be helpful here, so I can know what’s troubling you. I really do want to know.) You, like myself, spend a lot of time responding, and backing-and-forthing, on Margaret and Helen’s blog. They are generous to let us do that.

    Somewhere, among us all, there is common ground. I believe that. Let me know where that might be for you, and i will do my best to meet you there. And then we can know each other better. And I think that will be a very good thing, for all of us.


  83. Typical crass, mind-in-the-gutter, know-nothing talk from UAW. Yawn.

  84. OH….WOW Cynthia…..withhold sex……
    Democrat men don’t have any balls anyway so less of nothing is still nothing(Kind of like Obama’s ideas)…….so are you out chasing Republican men to “get a little”……..

  85. Geez….Todd Akin……..
    the best Republican that Dems could contribute to……$1.5 million and growing….
    “Shouldn’t we be opening up our hearts, wallets, and pocketbooks for Todd Akin right now?!”


  86. Togo Women Push Sex Strike to Unseat President


    Okay sisters, here is Plan B if Romney is elected. Or the Hope and Change didn’t work out as well as expected. This might be one way to change the way Washington works…..well just a thought.


  87. Hi, Cynthia – So many thanks for that link. Just loved it. Hope that Margaret and Helen (and Matthew) read it, too.

    You probably know the story about the frog and the hot water. If you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, the frog will jump out instantly. HOWEVER, if you put a frog into a pot of tepid water, and very, very slowly increase the temperature, the frog will hardly notice and just stay in there until she is boiled…

    I’m sensing some temperature rising happening.


  88. http://www.stonekettle.com/2012/08/todd-akin-social-medias-bitch.html#comment-form

    Todd Akin Social Media’s Bitch
    IMO – a must read. Jim Wright nailed it.


  89. gato…and Obamas plan is???????
    “show me your budget and I’ll tell you what your values are”…….OH…no budget-no values……going on 4 years now….WTF

  90. Hi, Beth – I absolutely agree; it’s Romney’s SECRECY about so much of his life and career that is cause for great concern – that, combined with the incredible vagueness, inconsistency, and frequent untruth, of what he SAYS. (“I have a financial plan, but I’m not going to give you any details because there are reporters in the room.” We’re going to ‘take back our country’, but I can’t say from whom.” “Paul Ryan is the ideological core of the Republican party, and now, as my running mate, he’s going to take my position on anything I tell him to.” “I have a plan to put America back to work, and I’m not going to tell you how.” “I had nothing to do with the company of which I was CEO during the time they were outsourcing jobs, even though I signed documents telling the Government I was the CEO and sole shareholder.” “I’m going to repeal ‘Obamacare’ on Day One, and replace it with… Something.”) And so on, and so on…

    Imagine, for a moment, that you were dating someone, and he asked you to marry him. You don’t find him particularly warm or likable, and most of his friends don’t seem crazy about him, either. But he’s very persistent, and you’re curious…

    You ask him about his finances; he won’t tell you anything other than he’s very rich, and that he’s “looked over” his financial records, and they’re just fine. Period. If you ask him more than once, he tells you that you’re just trying to pick on him, and he’s already told you all you need to know. You ask him about his career; he won’t tell you. You ask him about his religious beliefs; he won’t tell you. You ask him what charities he supports, and what “causes” matter to him. He tells you, “That’s private.” You ask him to tell you what sort of life he sees the two of you having together. He assures you that he has a “plan” that will make everything “great”, and you just have to marry him and make him the CEO of your life, and then you’ll find out what that plan is. He soon makes it very clear that he really feels that it is not really your place to be asking him all these questions, and that he is very uncomfortable with your doing so.

    Oh, and he also tells you – repeatedly – that the other guy you’ve been dating has low morals, is divisive and petty, has a questionable past, may not even be a real “American”, doesn’t understand you, has no respect for the sanctity of life, is a lousy manager, and is out to take all your money and drive you straight into bankruptcy.

    And your answer to this person’s proposal would be…?

  91. goto….
    I pick up the paid more taxes at the same place Harry picked up the paid no….out of thin air…..

  92. UAW – So… If Romney “paid more [taxes] than he owed” (wherever you might have picked up that bit of “information”), are you saying that this makes him an excellent candidate for the Presidency?

    I’d prefer more of a “Baby Bear” for that office: Someone who knew enough to pay not too much, and not too little, but an amount that was “just right.”

    If he used every legal loophole, fine. (Not really “moral”, but not illegal.) If – on the other hand – he “paid more than he owed”, he’s not quite the financial manager he keeps insisting he is.

  93. Geez Cynthia……..”They are not running for President!”
    Does that mean they can be held to different standards…..I already posted that we need to change the tax code…..
    Are you actually saying that it’s OK for a Democrat(like Tim Geithner or Charles Rangle) to abuse the tax code or actually cheat but BAD if a Republican follows the code……
    some more humor

  94. This is a great video! I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Helen and Margaret are in this choir.

    The Raging Grannies have lots more to sing about on their own website –> http://raginggrannies.net/

  95. I never said Romney was cheating. However, not being willing to show his tax returns, as many if not most, others running for president have done is showing part of his character. He may not be cheating, but he is a man who is hiding, not willing to show his true self. Because he doesn’t want us to know what he has done and be able t ask questions about it. He doesn’t want to be held accountable for it. And MAYBE there is some question as to whether he really did or did not take the correct deductions during that whole Bain situation. I don’t know. I am not accusing, just wondering. We certainly won’t know if he doesn’t show his returns. It is his tactic.

    He seems to like to dictate the terms of what we can know about him and it is often conflicting. For instance, he wants us to think that running a business such as Bain will make him good for running this country. But then when we start to analyze things that happened at Bain, that becomes off limits and we can’t ask about it. We can’t ask about his experience as Governor of MA. That didn’t go so well. So that is off limits. We can’t ask him about Akin and abortion. Why not? Doesn’t he have an opinion about it? His running mate sponsored a bill with the guy. His party just upped the ante on abortion rights. How does he feel about that? Why can’t we ask him about it? A recent interviewer was told she could not ask questions about it if she wanted the interview.

    So tell me, how do we get to know candidate Romney if he refuses to answer questions that tell us what we want to know. And I still haven’t heard a real fiscal or health plan from him. Just that it will be better than Obama’s. Is he planning on using Ryan’s budget plan? If not, why not come right out and say so? And just saying he’ll repeal ACA without saying what he’ll do to fix the health care system is no answer. What is his health care plan? Has he got one? Or does he think we are fine without one? Why no answers from Romney?

  96. Cynthia…and here also….

    OK…I’ll spread a little myself…the reason Romney won’t release his taxes is because he overpaid what he actually owed!!!!!!!

  97. uaw –

    Horseshit!………..is what I spread on my garden.

    “you still don’t get it do you Cynthia…
    complain about the tax code …not who uses it….it’s the same tax code that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Bill Clinton,and Bill Gates uses……come on…post a rant about those people……”

    They are not running for President!


  98. and for today’s humor….


  99. and I’ll agree with you Beth…we need to change the tax code…….but we also need to realize that following the tax code is not cheating…..

  100. and talk about stretching tax code…..try Tim Geithner…..


  101. Thanks Cynthia. The Right Wing will say, it is legal and therefore they are doing nothing wrong. But we all know differently. My fiscally conservative brother keeps saying that raising taxes on the rich won’t solve the problems, but that we should end all these loopholes and their abilities to put their monies into foreign shelters where they don’t have to pay taxes on it. I pointed out to him, isn’t that essentially raising their taxes? So, either we raise their taxes on what they don’t hide from the government or we stop letting them hide money from the government and tax them on everything they earn. Either way they need to pay more. It won’t solve everything, but it will be a fair start.

  102. you still don’t get it do you Cynthia…
    complain about the tax code …not who uses it….it’s the same tax code that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Bill Clinton,and Bill Gates uses……come on…post a rant about those people……

  103. Mitt Romney Reaped Huge Tax Benefits Based On ‘Active’ Role At Bain Capital http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/26/romney-bain-taxes_n_1828816.html

    …”That still leaves Romney in a rhetorical jam: For tax purposes, he claims an active status; for political purposes, he claims to have zero to do with the investments.

    The distinction is valuable, for the IRS treats passive and active income and losses differently. If a passive investment loses money, the taxpayer can only write off that loss if passive gains have also been made and only at a 15 percent rate. But active losses can be written off at a 35 percent rate and deducted from the taxpayer’s ordinary income. In other words, a taxpayer wants active losses, not passive losses. So by describing many of his investments as active, Romney saves himself millions of dollars in taxes.”…

    Yes the problem is all the loopholes the wealthy and corporations lobbied for that allow this but what does it say about the characture of a man who will stretch every loophole to his advantage?

    I wonder how he plans to write off the Middle Class and those on SS and Medicare.


  104. people like to blame tea-partiers but

    “Did Obama’s Anti-Boss Rhetoric Inspire Empire State Building Shooter?”
    does Obama have blood on his hands???????


  105. yup and the new(old) face of democrats…..
    Margaret Sanger
    Founder of Planned Parenthood

    On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
    “…human weeds,’ ‘reckless breeders,’ ‘spawning… human beings who never should have been born.” Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people


    and abortion Dr. Virmani…..

    Doctor Virmani also claimed that he was saving taxpayers money by getting rid of these “ugly black babies” who would otherwise end up on the government’s dole.

    Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/08/make-abortion-doctor-virmani-the-face-of-the-democrat-convention/#ixzz24c0A9Evf

  106. Neil Armstrong, First Man on Moon, Dies at 82.
    I remember that day as if it were yesterday. My first job was working for a company that did R&D of rocket and jet engines. I was about 20 when my boss told me of all the different stages – Mercury, Gemini, Apollo – and how one day we would land on the moon. I thought he was out of his mind. We would go up on the roof and watch a launch from the Cape….well it was just a black speck and a vapor trail.


  107. “No one has ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised.” ~ Romney

    But isn’t he what is referred to as an “anchor baby” since his father was born in Mexico?


  108. And, UAW, even more humor. Of course, the catholic church is serious about this but it really is high satire when you think about it. All that is missing is that little guy in his pointy hat at the end of this Rovian fluff saying: “I am Pope Benedict and I approve this message.”


  109. and some more humor….

  110. Geez Alaskapi…you wanted to talk about records…..so I gave you one……32 rounds of golf in a year……..I’m just glad everything is running so smoothly….not a care in the world other than getting reelected…..

  111. Geez E…
    you explain it….
    your the one implying he did something illegal……I just said he’s following the same tax code as everyone else……the same tax code that gave us Whitewater….

  112. It’s time for a little humor on this thread. Here’s a great website that is reportedly very popular in Florida these days –> http://www.yiddishcursesforrepublicanjews.com/

  113. Let’s face it. The “legitimate rape” controversy is part and parcel of the whole denial of science that runs throughout the right wing ideology. According to them there’s no global warming, no evolution, clean energy is something to be mocked, women can’t become pregnant unless they are enjoying the experience, etc, etc. And many of them seem proud of their ignorance.

  114. How does one account for the systemic use of rape pregnancies in the Congo? Those women were not “genuinely” gang raped? Nonsense.

  115. I just love Margaret and Helen. I remember what it was like for women years ago and can’t believe they would vote themselves back into that trap.
    Women endured pain, shame (the men never seemed to receive any) and even death.
    Is there away to share this particular piece on my email? I think as many as possible American women need to be exposed to this kind of writings.

  116. So if there is some merit to Dr. Wilke’s belief that because of the trauma, a woman’s body can block a rape-induced pregnancy, how does he account for those rape victims that do, indeed, get pregnant? Oh, I think I know. It was not forceable or legitimate rape, but a consensual rape or an enjoyable experience. Dr. Wilke, R/R, Todd Akins and Rush Limbaugh should have all been aborted IMHO.

  117. Gail Collins current piece is hugely enlightening. It is entitled “Rep. Todd Akin and the theory of the delighted womb” and is here: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2018979332_collinscolumncolonies24xml.html

  118. This back-and-forth is getting boring. Let’s get back to that wizard of wonderment, Todd Akin, – as told by a fellow Missourian.


  119. Wow, DELURKERGURL, that was beautiful! I am so glad to have people like you around who can state the case so eloquently.

  120. UAW: explain the. $100 million dollar IRA. That’t the different set of rules I’m talking about.

  121. false equivalent UAW.
    Mr Obama has plenty of gaffes and/or endorsements to question but that one is a false equivalent to what I brought here. :-)

  122. I don’t care why Mr Romney is running for president. I don’t want that sad sack of spuds in the Oval Office.
    Sorry to all my Dem neighbors here but I don’t think Mr Obama is a whole lot better though I will vote for him.
    He is a Centrist and as such is of the group of Democrats who have derailed liberal agendas for many years now.
    The constant portrayal of him by the right as a wild eyed socialist, commie, blah, blah, blah is so far from the truth it should make people laugh.
    If people wonder why the Dem and Rep parties look so much like each other anymore it is because they are , in many, many, many ways.
    “… support[s] the pursuit of greater egalitarianism in society through action to increase the distribution of skills, capacities, and productive endowments, while rejecting income redistribution as the means to achieve this.[2] It emphasizes commitment to: balanced budgets, providing equal opportunity combined with an emphasis on personal responsibility, decentralization of government power to the lowest level possible, encouragement of public-private partnerships, improving labour supply, investment in human development, protection of social capital, and protection of the environment.[3]


    Centrists accept the neoliberal economics which have become popular in the last 30 years and choose to try to balance them to allow more participation by more people in the “fruits of their labors” with programs to educate, blah, blah, blah.
    I reject neoliberal economics and find certain aspects of it all including the phony politics of personal responsibility from both sides to be laughable
    ( though I do laugh less at the Centrists) .
    While we stay busy with a whole lot of arguing over a tiny, tiny patch of philosophical ground the middle class shrinks to the point even the myopic Pew folks finally realize it…

  123. Delurkergurl, We’re definitely on the same page. I feel blessed that my girls did not need an abortion. You nailed it with the fact that we need to work to prevent the need as in supporting Planned Parenthood and realistic sex education in schools. We also need to work with the moms who give birth to babies they’re not equipped to raise without a whole lot of help! That’s something really worthwhile the Pro-Lifers could work on.

  124. yes Alaskapi…lets look at records………

    President Obama Monday set a new personal one-year golfing record while serving as president.


    things must be truly great in the USA right now….
    full unemployment, a budget, declining debt, nonexistent welfare roles, no foodstamps(bridge cards)…….
    YEP…..thing are just dandy……4 more years…..

  125. Good one Bo….but my problem is the Dems asking if I want it dry or with sand on it…..

  126. So , while the folks who have used abortion to distract from other issues for the last 30 years now claim the flap over Mr Akins’ remarks is a distraction from other issues ( yeeks!-how do they do that and still look at themselves in the mirror??) we have Mr Romney, yet again, forgetting there are records , his even, of his stances on things:


  127. Terri…….

    “Why are they playing by a different set of rules? ”

    Their not playing by a different set of rules…they are playing by the same set that congress set for us…..just like Nancy P, Harry R, John K, Barbara B, and Charles R…….

    Romney ruthless….how many people that he debated did he flip-off….Obummer was the only one I can think of that did that…..

  128. UAW, sorry about your rectal anxiety but, to quote Clayton Williams (when comparing bad weather to rape): “If it’s inevitable, just relax and enjoy it.”

    On the other hand, I wouldn’t worry too much about a “democratic anal invasion” in your case. Your body has a natural defense against such an attack . . . because your head is already up there and blocking the entrance.

  129. While the Rs attempt to distance themselves from Mr Akin:


  130. To quote Clayton Williams (when comparing bad weather to rape): “If it’s inevitable, just relax and enjoy it.”

  131. My Rectum Has Legitimate Concerns About Electing Democrats!!!!!!

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  132. I think Romney is running for president because he feels he is entitled to the office. The more I read about and see him, the less I like him. He and his wife seem to think they shouldn’t be required to answer questions from us pesky voters, you know, the little people. At one point, Ann Romney said “it’s our turn” in regard to the White House. Really? They won’t release their tax returns because then they would need to answer questions about them. Here’s what I want to know: why do they have Swiss bank accounts, Cayman Island accounts, a 100 million dollar IRA? Why are they playing by a different set of rules? Romney’s business experience does not qualify him to run the government. The US government is NOT a business. We witnessed how ruthless Mitt can be during the GOP primaries, where he employed a scorched earth policy in regard to his competitors. How hypocritical of him to be whining about the Obama campaign now. The arrogance of both of the Romneys is very off putting.

  133. Hi, Etylerjc –

    Here’s my best guess as to why Romney is running for President (and I’ve spent some time asking myself the very same question): If what you seem to be best at is finding some entity that seems to be floundering, then getting a lot of other people to give you their money so you can “take charge” of that entity, then stripping it down, rearranging it, and making it more “profitable”, while not caring too much about who else is involved in that entity, and so long as you have to answer to no one except the people who gave you their money… And then you can sell it off, making some money for your investors and plenty for yourself… Then you might just look at the United States of America as the biggest prize of all… (Especially if things didn’t go all that well in Massachusetts…)

    Ya think…?


  134. Really! Enough on the tithing. We already know that Romney’s priorities in life include lots of things that don’t include the United States of America. Thus, his avoidance of paying his fair share of taxes here and his practice of outsourcing jobs to other countries, just to name a couple. So since he doesn’t give a flip about the USA, why on earth would someone that rich and powerful be running for president? I don’t get it.

  135. What on earth has tithing got to do with this post? I’d like to be able to afford to tithe – but more than that I would like to keep control of my vagina – which Mitt and his band of merry men seem to want to give to someone else.

  136. Tithing isn’t a Mormon thing. It’s a Biblical thing. I learned it as Terry explained it – 10% FIRST… that’s pre-tax, pre-bills, everything. I’m not going to give a Sunday school lesson on the whys and hows and all that. Many of my friends here are in the same camp as me, and others would think I’m a loon. As a Christian woman and a person who strives to meet this goal, I wouldn’t ever sling mud at Romney if he actually met his tithe. Good on him, if he’s fulfilling his obligation because he is a believer. I know many liberals would scoff, but I don’t.

    Beyond that I really do expect him to meet his legal tax obligations and also be a proponent for fair taxation. If it’s true that his & Ryan’s tax plans raise taxes substantially on the middle & lower classes and screw medicare recipients while championing massive tax breaks for the upper tiers that have NOT used the breaks to create American jobs in the last decade, then I will do my best to subvert their disgustingly & obviously selfish intentions. (sorry for the run-on there…)

    As for allegedly-unanswered faith-holding lady who visited here, I am pleased to see you. Thank you for being reasonable. Welcome to the porch. Have some pie or lemonade! You are very different from the lying, whining, hate mongering, assumption making trolls we’re used to around here! Sorry the trolls co-opted your valid concerns. Welcome. It’s always a pleasure to meet a thinker. :)

    I too am am a woman of faith. I am pro-life and pro-choice. I don’t think any God fearing woman could easily choose to have an abortion. For complicated reasons I don’t think it’s right to subvert the law of the land (& separation of church & state) and get into turf wars over prioritizing rights of potential humans over actual humans. As a progressive, I think it makes a lot more sense to spend our energy on solving the issues that lead to abortions in the first place. In my heart I believe this will result in both fewer abortions overall AND fewer damaged women.

    The dramatic alive-aborted-baby-dying-in-a-pail thing is abhorrent and almost certainly not a common issue. It has got to be eliminated. Never, never, never have I heard a pro-choice person say this is acceptable. Please don’t ever equate pro-choice with this horror. It would be dishonest to do so.

    Late term abortions are abhorrent to me as well. My understanding is that in states where it is legal at all, it is reserved for the most extreme of circumstances. I would never condone the practice in cases where this were not true. Again, let us work to prevent any preventable situation where this could even be considered.

    I have never met a person who is pro-abortion. I suppose that sort of person must exist, but none of my pro-choice friends could even remotely be considered pro-abortion. Thanks for your reasoned questions and for not assuming otherwise.

  137. You haven’t a clue.

  138. Hi, Terry – Beautifully stated, and I thank you for that. What’s most important should come first, and not after everything else is handled.


  139. Whoa, looks like Anonymous has a little man crush going on Mitt. How sweet.

  140. Hey Gato….I believe your post about my buddy’s wife rates ASSHAT………and you don’t have to show me your budget….I already know what you value…..

  141. Evelyn Question.
    1. Why are you such a vile human being attacking people?
    2. Why are you telling others who to respond to and not to respond to? Should they not be able to decide for themselves?

  142. well, Gato–sign of how little he has to say. When you can’t get readers based on your merit and resort to going onto blogs where you aren’t welcome, you are pretty sad. What a loser.

  143. OK Iris…….your not going to vote for Romney because he didn’t tithe……
    I’m not going to vote for Obama because he didn’t either…….remember …tithing goes to the church not just any charity…….

  144. I too am a Methodist and not everyone realizes that in the OT tithing wasn’t an option, it was the least one was expected to give. Also it would be the first “bill” one would pay – 10% of all you had that year, not 10% of what was left over after you paid your other bills. We tend to think of tithing as something we work out way up to once we’ve amassed enough to live comfortably. I do consider my giving to other charities as part of my tithe although I realize that’s stretching it! In the end we are, as Christians, called to treat those less fortunate than we are as surrogates for Jesus. It’s a twist on “what would Jesus do” to “what would you do for Jesus”. If you can see Jesus in the people who need your help it will be easy and I can say while volunteering at a food pantry that I have.

  145. REDUNDANT! You sent exactly this post yesterday.

  146. Iris: No need to respond. He actually tried a blog–Noahinwesternmichigan–and in one of the most understandable responses in the history of the world, nobody read it. Complete fail. So he comes here and blithers and rails.

  147. Iris, he has given more to charity than your entire gene pool has in its entirety. Just goes to show that no matter how much you give, the socialist Left in this country will never be satisfied. He has given millions, what you you done?

    Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts, turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.
    He has created tends of thousands of jobs, what have you done?

    Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino’s, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply and many others.
    He has saved hundreds of thousands of jobs, what have you done?

    He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years.

    He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

    He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.
    He served the people for free, what have you done?

    Romney gets results, the kind of results our country needs right now. As Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit. Obama’s budget takes us to $26 trillion in debt by 2025.

  148. Oh, and another thing, UAW…

    So what you’re saying is that your “buddy’s wife” has told you that her Church only asks for ten percent of what you’ve got left over, after you’ve paid all your bills, stashed whatever you can in every low-tax and income-deferred shelter you can find (and there are plenty of them, for sure), taken every “legitimate” deduction you can to reduce your overall gross income, and so on… Have I got that right?

    So much for the overall importance of God and faith… Last on the list, and given a small portion of the scraps. Nice.

    Again, “Show me your budget, and I’ll tell you what you value.”

    Have a pleasant evening.


  149. I don’t know Cynthia….how much is your bar bill….

  150. LOL Alaskapi….and remember to shoot responsibly…..and straight…..

  151. Makes sense to me; whatever. (Although that wasn’t the case in the Methodist Church in which I was raised. The tithing was considered a “bill”, an important commitment, in and of itself. Tithing wasn’t obligatory; it was suggested.)

    And the reason you find this distinction important is…What? (Oh; I know: “clarification” and “getting facts right.”)

    Whatever the distinction (gross or net), then the issue becomes what are legitimate “bills”…? And there we right jump into all the bizarre parts of our tax code.

    Have fun!

  152. Mormons are asked to give 10% of their income to their church.


    “Romney’s 2010 tax return revealed that he will give $4.13 million over two years of $43 million in income. In addition, he and his wife have given over $4.7 million to the church over ten years through the Tyler Charitable Foundation, a multimillion dollar trust created by the Romneys.”


    Still not 10%.

  153. uaw – would one’s bar bill be included?


  154. well Gato…..
    I don’t know where you get your info on tithing but my buddy’s wife who is a Latter Day Saint says tithing is 10% after your bills are paid….

  155. Terri: He’s pandering to the worst, lowest information, nastiest of his constituents. And the response of his campaign to people objecting was that it was just a joke.

  156. Gosh, now I wonder if there is a whole group of men who feel that way, that there is no such thing as rape. And a few them just happen to be running on the Rethuglican ticket this year. Which is not to say there aren’t a lot of men who have the utmost respect for women and women’s rights and I’ve known a few of them. Even knew a man who was told from the age of 3 or 4 that if you have fights with your brother, keep them to a minimum, but do not ever EVER under any circumstances ever hit your sister or any female. I’m not trying to bash men in any way when I write on here, but all I can say is if the R/R get elected, God help us all. And if women are voting for these Yo-Hos, what is your problem?!!

  157. It seems Mitt Romney decided to make his own “birther” comment. How despicable.

  158. Hi, Terri, and posters all, named or unnamed –

    I have to agree with you in wondering what all this noodling about charitable gifts has to do with anything… Although which charities and organizations a person supports, with time and/or money, is usually a good indication of what they deem important. As Joe Biden quoted his father as saying, when a dinner guest was about to expound on his “values”, “Show me your budget, and I’ll tell you what your values are.”

    (Please withhold any urges to launch personal attacks on Joe Biden for anything else he, or anyone else in his family, ever said; whoever said that, made an excellent point.)

    We want to know what our presidential candidates value; that gives us an idea of what values they will bring to the office. A candidate so reticent about actually showing CONCRETE EVIDENCE of his or her values makes voters wonder what those values actually are. And rightfully so!

    Let us keep in mind that members of the Mormon Church, like members of many other religious organizations, are REQUIRED to tithe a minimum of ten percent of their income to the church. High officials in the Church, such as bishops, may be required to contribute more – or less. This I do not know. Nobody just does this for the fun of it; they do it because they believe they are morally commanded to do so. And, from what little I know about the Mormon Church (it’s not a whole lot, but it’s far from nothing), its members do an admirable amount of charitable work, benefitting not only their own members, but others of any faith.

    Most, but not all, people who do charitable work, are PROUD to put their names to their contributions. They feel that their public backing of a particular charity adds gravitas to that charity’s work, and may encourage others to join them in their support.

    It is very difficult for me to imagine that any donor who wishes his or her charitable work to remain anonymous would decide to run for President, and think for a nanosecond that those donations should not, or would not, become the subject of public inquiry. This is what is so bloody perplexing about the Romneys! Why do they think they should be an exception?

    Someone suggested on this blog, a while ago, that maybe they don’t want to disclose their income and expenditures, lest the Church find out that the Romneys have been shortchanging them… This may be a bit far-fetched, since, if the Romneys are as devout as they claim to be, the Church would be very likely to know MUCH more about their finances than any of the rest of us do.

    However, unless they, literally, SHOW US THE MONEY, all imaginings will remain on the table. They can claim “invasion of privacy” as much as they want; it’s a nice distraction, as they continue to accumulate millions and millions of dollars. But they cannot claim that they had no idea these inquiries would come up, and continue to express their shock and dismay that anyone would have the effrontery to ask!

    Even they must realize that the Office of the Presidency is a PUBLIC office.


  159. I don’t usually engage them and I won’t respond again even if he does reploy back, which is why I told him goodbye. I am busy making calls and can’t waste more time on a closed mind. Thanks.

  160. I seriously doubt anything I say would hold water for you. But my name is Donna and the initial and last name are correct. I don’t think we really have anything to say to one another, so I will tell you goodbye now and wish you luck with your life.

  161. dmcrane: That’s Noah–a long term and particularly noxious troll. He apparently has nothing in his life other than hanging around blogs and trying to disrupt them. Has told so many inconsistent stories about who he is, what he does, etc. that it would make your head spin. Repeatedly blocked from this blog and takes pride in the fact that he continues to find ways around that–pretty pathetic.

  162. dmcrane1, show me your I.D. that says this your legal name and your argument will hold water.

  163. Terri in NY

    Romney walks the walk. He is a millionaire who gives millions back. He doesn’t talk about the rich needing to give more, he DOES it. On top of that he gives thousands of hours of his time for free. Took no Salary as Governor or many of the organizations he served. For people like Biden who make hundreds of thousands of dollars every year, who are millionaires, they fall way short of their rhetoric. How many people got a good meal going to the store with the pittance of time Biden offered?

  164. And I notice that you have so much courage of your convictions that you won’t use your name. You can Google President Obama’s tax returns and Joe Biden’s tax returns. Then you can do the math yourself. The hate in you is so obvious, there is nothing I would say that would change your mind. Most people’s comments on this blog are their opinions and if they don’t agree with your opinion, as I don’t, they have a right to them. I suggest you start reading Christ’s words again, and “judge not, lest ye be judged”. I am a long time Southern Baptist and am pretty familiar with the teaching of Christ, as I suspect are most people commenting on here. And again, thank you for being so “gracious”.

  165. FYI: Joe an Jill Biden don’t donate huge sums of money. Instead they donate huge amounts of time and effort to many charities. Not sure what any of this has to do with anything.

  166. Sklyer –
    Good point. Could it also be that there is different kinds of rape…well in their minds. Perhaps they consider rape as just Rough Sex.

    Statutory Rape – this is consensual but one thing between a 16 and 19 and another between a 15 and 40 year old.
    Violent Rape – gun or knife used
    Forced Rape – beat them up or hold them down
    Date Rape – Drugs Used
    Drunk Rape – Candy is Dandy but Liquor is Quicker
    If you Loved Me Rape – beg them into proving it
    Married Rape – The woman will submit to her husband

    The last three probably aren’t technically rape and may have practiced it themselves at some time. However, the woman may feel as if she has been raped since she wasn’t freely agreeing to having sex.


  167. dmcrane1
    Show the links supporting your claims. Everything I have seen from credible sources including the government suggests my numbers are accurate.

    As for giving money to a church, this is not a crime and is considered a nice thing to do by most civilized people.

    Noting no one here believes in their convictions enough to address the questions posed by anon. Noted Cynthia lied about her belief that the child has more rights than the mother, but could not fess up. Noted no one is objective enough to give credit to all of the organizations that Romney gave the greatest gift a person can give, for free, he gave of his time. Just a pack of kool-aid drinking Messiah worshipers.

    I leave you with a look in the mirror. This DNC chair person is every single Leftist on this blog.

  168. Sorry to disabuse you of Romney’s charitable contributions. He says he gave 10% to his church, and we really don’t know how much he gave percentage wise because he hasn’t released full returns and he doesn’t report a lot of his “hidden” income from offshore accounts…as shown by the Bain Capital info on his income received that came out yesterday. If you do the math on President Obama’s returns you will be able to see that he gave about 19.4% of his income to charity. I did the math, it’s not hard. I haven’t figured it out with Joe/Jill Biden but seriously doubt that they gave the figure you named given how active they both are in charitable causes. You’re entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.

  169. Could be, Skyler. I had a guy tell me once there was no such thing as “bad” sex.
    Could it be that these people believe that “good” women do not enjoy sex. Therefore, it’s just natural for the “good” women to look upon sex as rape? And, if women do enjoy sex, well, obviously there can be no rape because they are not “good” women and deserve anything they get?

  170. I have been trying to figure out where they’re coming from and may have hit on somthing. As far as the statements made by Rob-me, Ryan, Rush and Akin, could it be that they are so struck on themselves and their manhood that they cannot imagine any woman not LIKING sex, even if it’s by rape; thus, Akin having such a hard time defining differnt types of rape, forcible or legitimate or other words that aren’t needed when defining rape? And I think they may think that in RARE instances where the woman did not want sex or a baby, that’s no problem since she could just “block” the pregnancy. Could that be their way of thinking?

  171. Well said MaxineW, though I disagree about the writers.

    Median household income fell 4.8 percent on an inflation- adjusted basis since the recession ended in June 2009, more than the 2.6 percent drop during the 18-month contraction, the research firm’s Gordon Green and John Coder wrote in a report today. Household income is 7.2 percent below the December 2007 level, the former Census Bureau economic statisticians wrote.

    Measure your President not by his words but by his actions. “And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income…. Just for comparison purposes,Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.”

  172. OT and old 2010 news – but we can use a wee bit of humour!


    Leave it to the Irish to teach their American cousins a thing or two about the ancient art of the smackdown.

    The fiery Higgins, a longtime leftist politician and human rights activist (elected President of Ireland 2011), takes Graham, a Tea Party organizer, to task for the party’s criticisms of President Obama and its strident opposition to the White House’s health care reform bill.

    …”The tactic is, to get a large crowd, whip them up, try and discover what is that creates fear, work on that and feed it right back and you get a frenzy.”…
    ….”the image of the United States is getting better,” and upbraids Graham, urging him to “be proud to be a decent American rather just a wanker whipping up fear.” ….


  173. [...] very things that Akin said and attested to believing.”“Today’s Republican Party is about as useful to women as a jockstrap.”“Missouri Republicans — the folks who never have had a problem putting this guy in [...]

  174. Cynthia, thanks for the info! How anyone can rate a rapist to be on the same level as a true loving and caring father is beyond me, but then these laws were made years ago by men who think only of the functionality of 2% of a woman’s body. That’s how much respect they have for her. Time for these bozos and their “thinking” to find a cave and zip it up behind them.

  175. Anon was probably the softest spoken, polite person to come on here in ages, and all she asked for was a straight answer. She was misquoted, had her words twisted, and despite that continued to be polite and kind, leaving never having, after 3 or so requests, received even 1 straight answer to the questions she asked. Love the writers, those hanging out not so much.

  176. LOL- UAW.
    We Dem ladies buy our own ammo here and no Dem here would dare try to restrict guns. We use em to hunt.
    Actually I was a bowhunter but most gals I know hunt with guns, especially in rural Alaska .
    whatzername not , except on her phony “reality” show. That’s a different story but then she’s always a different story.
    Never pays to sweep certain things under the rug but do be careful about making false equivalents out of things which really are not.

  177. geez Alaskapi…..
    it’s nice to have someone admit that the Dems do it also……
    so look at all the talk on other issues and compare them…….It’s terrible that the Republicans want to regulate abortions but it’s OK for the Dems to regulate gun ownership(2nd amandmant)……spin everything backwards and you should be paying for my ammo!!!!!!!…..WTF……I’ll pay for my own ammo and you pay for your own abortions…….
    Just let me say that I am prochoice and I believe we need more liberals to practice what they preach……

  178. If the rape victim decides (or is forced) to carry the pregnancy to term the rapist can sue for custody of the child.



    ……the vast majority of states — 31 — men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy. When no law prohibits a rapist from exercising these rights, a woman may feel forced to bargain away her legal rights to a criminal trial in exchange for the rapist dropping the bid to have access to her child…..

    Google for more information.


  179. OK….I’ll agree….the Republicans have their own “BIDEN”……..

  180. geez Gato….got the tobacco enema going again….

  181. Alma, so well said!

  182. Well I think Ive seen a great many ways showing what people believe in. Thanks for that and have a good evening.

  183. Well said Alma

  184. Anonymous,
    Your first sentence said to me, “I’m a woman of faith so I don’t even need to tell anyone where I stand on abortion”, or reversely, “Anyone who doesn’t believe the same as me couldn’t possible be a person of faith.” I’m thinking that you are either unaware of how holier-than-thou your first sentence might sound, or else unaware of the full spectrum of religious beliefs surrounding abortion. If it’s the former, well, written comments lack the nuance of in-person communication; it happens to us all, no problem, glad you‘re not a troll.

    If the latter, and you are unaware of how other religions feel about abortion, here are a few links you may be interested in to gain a little perspective.




    As you can see from any of these links or the hundreds more on the web, different religions have different opinions. The US government is prohibited by the First Amendment to choose any one religion over another. It chaps me to read about Todd Akin -or Paul Ryan- thinking he’s on a mission from his god to impose BY LAW his religious beliefs over the entire population. Add to that the fact that he will never become pregnant and so will never be directly affected by his law… GRRR!

    If you think abortion is murder, then fine, don’t have one. But understand that the other 300 million Americans don’t believe the same as you and they have the full backing of their god or their religion or their own moral certainty to support them.

    It’s challenging to debate with another viewpoint and freely exchange new information and points of view, but when all is said and done, the *Government* cannot legislate for one religion at the expense of other religions or no religion. This is America — America doesn’t do that. So believe what you will, don’t believe what you don’t, but don’t force your tiny sliver of the faith pie on the rest of the country. Helen loves her some pie, but I know she would never agree with outlawing cherry, peach, pecan, and lemon meringue, and force everyone to eat only apple pie.

  185. It’s crazy, that some people opine about our vaginas

  186. bo – you make a very good point and I agree. However the once reasonably sane GOP may be loosing control of their party to the teabaggers.


  187. Beth, under the conditions you put forth abortion would not only be legal, it would be a sacrament!

  188. Again I understand what you believe, what I do not understand are the particulars that I pointed out. If you are uncomfortable answering those specific questions, I understand.

  189. Anon: because you are championing to take rights AWAY from people based on your particular religious views. No one is forcing you to go against your beliefs by making you abort your child. We are championing to keep our individual rights to do with our life as WE see fit.

  190. The Problem With Men Explaining Things


    “Countless women are being told that they are not reliable witnesses to their own lives, that the truth is not their property, now or ever.”

    Interesting read and check out the comment section too.


  191. Anonymous, since you and the other pro-lifers are unable to physically bear the child in question and then unwilling or unable to raise it, you can not have a say in what the woman does. And while you claim that all these abortions are taking place late term, this is just not the case. Until a fetus becomes viable (without intense medical intervention) it is not capable of living outside the mother’s womb and therefore not a viable human life. Unfortunately, it does not get a say. I would rather see the situation not happen at all. However, if given the choice between seeing an unwanted child brought into the world or not, I would rather see it not brought into the world. There are way too many unwanted, unloved, abused children in the world. We don’t need any more. Would the world be a better place if there were NO unwanted pregnancies. Of course. But that is not going to happen in this society, in this world.

    And I will continue my stand that until men take as much responsibility for pregnancy as women, this will always be a problem. And I am not being funny when I say, that when men can get pregnant, bear children, I guarantee you, abortion and all forms of birth control will be legal!

  192. Let’s be clear here. The GOPers are the last folks in the country who actually want to ban abortions . . . they just want to talk about it and keep the fundie wing-nuts in their tent.
    If they truly believed in the sanctity of life, they would recognize the empirical evidence: when abortions are safe, legal and accessible, there are fewer of them. If they truly believed in the sanctity of life, their policies and governing style would be 180 degrees different from what they are.
    No. The GOPers need to keep this boogieman alive for purely political reasons. If they were ever to succeed in this vacant promise, they wouldn’t be prepared for the consequences and they’d have nothing left to hook their brain-dead followers with.

  193. Great response Jill. I don’t know where some people think it is legal to “kill” babies at all stages of pregnancy, but it certainly isn’t here in the US, with rare exception, in the case of the mother’s health. I assume the anonymous poster wouldn’t want mothers dying and leaving their children and families motherless. But then again, one shouldn’t assume.

  194. Jill, You hit the nail on the head about abortions back in the Dark Ages which is where some people would like to drag us. We still have unwanted babies born to uncaring and/or stressed out single women. These women are prone to making bad choices for themselves and their helpless children. Too often we hear that a boyfriend has abused and sometimes murdered the child. Our goal should be to ensure all babies are born into loving, nurturing homes where they’ll be as safe as possible. Planned Parenthood and Nurses for Newborns address these situations. Other programs such as Head Start, Parents As Teachers and free or reduced breakfast and lunch at school are vital to healthy teachable children. As I’ve said before, it costs far less to educate a child than it costs to keep that person in jail. Children deserve better than the miserable existence many of them have. I don’t think that’s what God intends, at least not the God I worship.

  195. Jill
    Thank you for the response. I already understand what you believe. I am trying to understand the particulars I pointed out.

  196. Sorry Anonymous you are mistaken there are limits in every state as to when it is to late to have an abortion most all are before the first trimester, it is rare case that one is performed after that only if the mother is in danger.
    I am also a woman of faith and could not personally have an abortion but firmly believe each woman as an adult should have the right to make a considered choice when given all the options. Places like planned parenthood offers all the options and counceling, closing and limiting those options is treating women as children incapable of making decission for themselves. I spent my early years working in mental health and hospitals I can still remember what it was like when abortion was not legal and women were getting back street abortions or trying to do it themselves. Or at the other end dealing with the kids who were never wanted, believe me we do not want to go back to those days!

  197. I am a woman of faith so my stance on abortion should be obvious. I have two questions.

    1. You fight for what you believe in, and you should have that right. In general you feel you are championing a worthy cause. Do I have the same right to champion my cause even though it is direct opposition to yours? If I do then why is it a war on women if I have the same rights as you to promote my beliefs?

    2. Two part question. On the topic of abortion. As it stands now, we execute babies at every stage during the pregnancy, and we do it after the child is born if they survive the abortion. How do you feel you are on the short side here? As I see it, you have all the possible advantages.
    (A) It seems to me a contradiction that you consider any action that would take away the right for a women to chose as an act of war on women. Why then do you feel the child then deserves no say whatsoever and not be allowed to have someone advocate for the child their right to live? Do you not see a lack of reasonable balance giving one complete consideration, while giving the other none?

  198. Cynthia: Yep, that’s where the fear porn comment came up – perfect.

  199. http://juanitajean.com/

    Stuck in the Middle
    “Fourth off, just fess up that you’re real bad at government and so you have to raise taxes. Don’t be threatening to overthrow the United States of Damn American just because you screwed up the county budget.”

    JJ has a great response to this joker.


  200. I heard it called fear porn on another blog, delurkergurl. Says it all.

  201. Texas Judge Warns of Civil War if Obama is Re-elected


    “Obama, Head said, will “try to give the sovereignty of the United States away to the United Nations. What do you think the public’s going to do when that happens? We are talking civil unrest, civil disobedience, possibly, possibly civil war … I’m not talking just talking riots here and there. I’m talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms, get rid of the dictator. OK, what do you think he is going to do when that happens? He is going to call in the U.N. troops, personnel carriers, tanks and whatever.”

    Even if it isn’t the truth, he’s right there to help scare people anyway. Isn’t that special?

  202. Pi & Gato: I agree. Wanting to replace Akin is only so that Regressives can have what they think is a viable candidate against McCaskill. However, the party line meant to keep everyone in line has attracted some real whackos who thumb their nose at authority – as we see with Akin. I believe, in order to replace him now, the Democratic party in Missouri would have to agree. Hope Akin doesn’t meet with any unfortunate accidents in the near future.
    Regressive Veep candidate Paul is the exact clone of Akin on this issue. It’s just Paul didn’t put in quite so offensive terms.
    The whole save the baybees schtick is just code for wanting to get women out of the public sphere and back into domestic subjugation. And the whole motivation behind that is fear of women. The only way to subjugate women nowadays is to deny them reproductive freedom. All of the other arguments against women’s rights touted in the 60s & 70s are obviously bunk. Now, the asshats are using guilt and shame along with legislating us as murderers in order to subjugate us. As another poster put it, women – you have rights until you get pregnant, then you have no rights during the pregnancy, then you have rights again.
    Not to mention, any guy who thinks you’re getting too uppity can rape you to try and take away your rights and potentially your livelihood and/or life. Is this where we are going as a nation? Committing crimes against women to take away their rights? That is totally unacceptable.

  203. Gato- yup!
    i couldn’t re-find the story I read which spelled out how long, under law, that the party has to replace him if he steps down but it is a couple weeks or so. Past that time frame there is no changing horses mid stream , he’s on the ballot no matter what.

  204. Couldn’t agree more, Pi. “Oh, my goodness! We can’t believe he said THAT! That’s just AWFUL! SO disrespectful!” Translation: “Goddammit. I told you Akin was a loose cannon who might open his mouth and say what we really think. Totally unacceptable. We gotta get rid of him, and get somebody in who will do what he’s told, and knows how to keep our plans to himself.”

  205. Folks – please don’t get sidetracked and distracted too much by bright shiny things. Helen’s point about the Republican Party platform ( and echoed by many here) is very important- the hypocrisy in R ranks with calling for Mr Akin to step down is obvious.
    However, it is also a calculated and cynical move to replace him with someone who might still beat Ms McCaskill- which is the real prize.
    Under all that hand wringing and “having the vapors” over Mr Akin’s asinine remarks is the usual cold lack of concern for anything except a win for the party.
    and before you chime in UAW- yes the Dems do it too.Saw it in our last Senate race big time but my “whole thing” trusts the Dems a hell of a lot more overall on these issues- even when they are being centrist asshats.

  206. Women need to take and accept responsibility for themselves. This battle will continue until the last traces of the entitlement one gender feels to dictate terms to the other is eradicated. If you are a woman and you are sitting here reading this blog and the comments posted and nodding in agreement; if you are a woman who is commenting on this blog in any way; if you are a woman who has been told what to believe and how to believe and is tired of it get off your ass and do something. Make phone calls. Drum up support for groups that are fighting the fight you agree with. DO – SOME -THING!!!

    Every day is listen to women where I work, where I socialize and on the web sites I visit who talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Frankly, I don’t need to hear more talk. I need to hear that you’ve organized a letter writing/email campaign to convince your elected representatives you mean business. Comment on articles in your local papers and online. Stand up for your rights instead of being a wuss and thinking someone else is going to do it for you.

    No whining and no excuses. Either DO something or quit complaining.

  207. This election is going to be close. Pledge with me to make a real difference and make M&H proud in the process by making some phone calls today. Go to Obama Biden 2012 website and click on the dashboard to see how you can make a real impact to preserve ALL woman’s rights. We have fought too hard to allow the Republican Party drag us back to the 1960′s.

  208. Let’s remember, too, also, that when Palin was governor, in that short time she signed into law a bill that would require rape victims to pay for their own rape kit and er visit. That’s compassion for ya, dontcha know.


  210. Makes me almost wish I had a vagina so I could protest.

  211. Anonymous, Aug. 22, 5:48 PM: I was born in MIchigan and lived there for nearly 3 decades. This time period covered the George Romney governorship. I know a lot more about George and MItt than your cheat sheet shows. The best thing about that family was Lenore Romney. Its too bad that her bid for a Senate seat did not go well.

    As for the outer Mitt Romney, yes, he cleans up well, but he did get some money from his late father’s estate and the family money George got as president of American Motors was what provided for the upscale location of the family home and the private school education all the way through the last earned degree. What you don’t seem to know is what Mitt learned from dad – how to take a healthy business and wreck it. People were buying George’s cars. Remember the Rambler? The Gremlin? George moved American Motors from Michigan to another state, lock, stock and barrel. No one in MIchigan could believe it, especially the reasons given. AMC was supposed to have a better chance (competitive edge) outside of Michigan but it certainly didn’t last long. It went belly up. Can you imagine how hard that was onthe work force and their pensions and insurance? Those were the guys without the safety net for themselves and their families. The Romneys didn’t suffer the same results. Does that sound familiar to the pattern of Bain? You bet Mitt knows how to create jobs — in India and China, all the signs of an outsourceaholic. He may display himself as a religious man but my own religion tells me that if I operated the way he did with Bain I would never get into heaven.

  212. I’m thinking perhaps a legitimate rape needs to occur on a couple (more?) Republican political d-bags so they have a first-hand understanding as to what exactly a rape entails–and sexual violation is only a small part of it–it’s the power, control, and violence that is really happening during a rape. If they can’t get it logically, maybe they need to experience one first-hand. I’m all for it.

    Stay away from my vagina, politicians.

  213. The only thing Congress has gotten done is investigating Roger Clemens. That’s because they all have the brains of a 12 year old boy. They just can’t wait to meet a real live professional baseball player. Of course 12 year old boys have no idea how a woman works. She takes birth control like Viagara because she wants to have sex. It’s okay if she gets raped over and over by dome loving male member of her family. She “turns off”. You bet. And you are right, the Republicans want less government everywhere except my wombl.

  214. How do you define hypocrisy?

    I tend to judge people by how they treat their pets or wildlife or the environment. Not saying you must have one or even like them, but whether you place any value on another living thing.

    Says the pro baby killer? Says the person who believes in leaving the child who survives an abortion to be left in a room alone until it dies? Are you kidding me ?

  215. Helen, I just love you! Love the way you think and write. It’s always been very important to me to vote at every election. This time, nothing will stop me. I live in a VERY red state so my views are not too popular but believe me, I will keep saying what is important to me. Just like you and Margaret are. You are my heroes!

  216. Gato –

    Yes Mitt Romney has all the “perfect” credentials doesn’t he? And he also has just the right number of digits to hold a pen and sign anything put before him. In his desire to be president he has sold out to the highest bidders and I fear he will sell America to the highest bidder too. Those donors expect something for their money.

    He cleans up nicely but does he have any values? Does he take a stand on anything? He flip flops so many times it is hard to tell. I don’t expect you to agree but as an animal person I tend to judge people by how they treat their pets or wildlife or the environment. Not saying you must have one or even like them, but whether you place any value on another living thing. Ann had another dressage horse with more talent than her present horse. It developed leg problems and so became of no further use to them. The horse was sold, as a sound, for good money. The new owners discovered the horse had been given 4 different medications to mask its lameness and pain. IMO, this is a user, a taker who is only looking out for their own best interest.

    I don’t trust him not to get us into a war with Iran or Middle East within his first year if elected. Russia and China have financial interests in Iran and they will not be happy if we interfere with those interests. Either one may have the “ego” or desire to be the one who puts “American Arrogance” in its place. I don’t think it will be done with drones or boots on the ground. We got our butts beat by two third world countries using nuts and bolts and creative imagination. We have pushed our troops to the breaking point. What do we have left to go into a another war?

    Personally I am a bit uncomfortable with the person whose hand is on the “switch/button” who has a strong belief that a fantastic Paradise awaits them in afterlife. I would prefer it to be in the hand of a person who questions the existence of heaven or who has no expectations of one.


  217. Republican politicians have been saying what Akin said, alleging that females are equipped with some fantasy Reproductive Defense System that prevents conception in cases of rape – since at least 1980! Where was the outrage? One even stated regarding rape “If it’s inevitable, she should just relax and enjoy it!” George W. Bush appointed one of these ignorant, self-righteous misogynists to a federal judgeship! Where was the outcry? Paul Ryan, with 64 other Republicans, co-sponsored a bill to declare fertilized eggs “persons” – and strip females of their “personhood”, rights, freedom, privacy… Where was the backlash??? For in-depth information on this subject, view the Rachel Maddow video (broadcast 8/20/12) titled “Extremists Mainstreamed to GOP Leadership” on the MSNBC.com site.

  218. Awh Helen, I hollered. Did not know I could do that today. Thanks for the post. There is no one like you on this planet. You are so right, Mr. Akin is just repeating the talking points. However, a few words too many did him in. I doubt the current debate will change any diehard republican’s mind. However, the outcry is probably making some of them want to backpedal. Well, I know who they are and what they stand for. I heard about their platform. Can’t wait till next week. How are they going to reconcile their platform with denouncing the poor Akin fellow? He thought he was safe, poor poor fellow.

    I do know who has mine and my daughter’s best interest at heart. No humouring me would do, they are all hypocrites. I keep repeating this statement: What about the child once here? What do they propose to do with him or her if all safeguards are gone as they are planning to do away with many of them? We have to cut the deficit remember?

  219. HI, Terri in NY – And you are close to my heart, geographically, since I spent so many of my great younger years there, having an absolutely wonderful time.

    Mittens evidently does not feel that he is obligated to tell anyone much about anything he’s done… Not about being Governor of Massachusetts, and how that went; not about being CEO of Bain Capital, and how that went; not about how he ran the Salt Lake Olympics; not about his faith; not about how he handles his money, and why we should let him handle ours.

    Why he’s even wanting to be President remains a total mystery to me. And he seems to want to keep it that way.

    HEY! Great concept! Tell people they should vote for you… But never tell them why they should. If this program works, we are… screwed.


    And… Good night, all.

  220. Let us all take a moment out and have some “sympathy” for the Grand Old Party. As Margaret and Helen have noted in this post, the GOPers are reeling over Mr. Akin’s intemperate remarks and his inability to recognize that he could sink their whole gig in November.
    Now, Hurricane Isaac is bearing down on Florida and could raise all kinds of havoc in Tampa even to the point of cancelling next week’s dog-and-pony show (errrrr, convention).
    That’s two natural disasters in as many weeks. The evangelical wing of the right wing of the GOP has often peddled causative relationships . . . e.g., Katrina’s devastation of New Orleans was God’s punishment for homosexuality, etc.
    How on earth are the poor GOPers going to explain these current events away? I mean, God must be punishing them for something!

  221. Hey Anonymous, how about posting the links to Mitt’s college transcripts, social security card, draft card, medical records and income tax records. I’d like to take a look.

  222. Tradesman – Oh, dude, you have at least one “fact” wrong here… The “fact” that Mittens didn’t inherit anything from his family. He did.

    Now I’ve had my second relapse of the day…

    According to Ann, in the warm and fuzzy interview designed to show how she and Willard understand the struggles of the middle class, she said about their “struggling” college years, something like, “Fortunately, Mitt had inherited some stock from his father, which we were able to sell off bit by bit.” And that allowed them to get through their college years without working… Even though, according to Ann, in that same interview, they weren’t able to “entertain”, and had to eat tuna and pasta a few nights a week. What an effing shame… When I was in college, taking about thirty hours a week of courses, and working an extra twenty hours a week collecting fees from music students at a local music shop, and making egg sandwiches for truck drivers, while wearing a hairnet, for another ten hours a week… A dinner with friends consisted of a package of boiled spaghetti with catsup on top. No cheese. Maybe a couple of beers. Or not.

    My parents managed to pay my tuition; I worked to pay for everything else. There was no inherited stuff to sell off. I bless my parents every day for teaching me to be responsible for myself, and grateful for everything they gave me.

    Good god! Willard touched the capital! Primary sin of every investor. Bet he never did that again…

    Who gives a GGD what he looks like. Are we electing a poster boy, or someone who will serve all the people of this country, and give a damn about anyone outside his personal comfort zone?

    And, BTW, I trust you understand that there are a whole bunch of really enraged women out here… And WE ARE THE MAJORITY. So suck it up.

    Gato (channeling H&M here, god love ‘em, and I do)

  223. Looks like Anonymous has his own “messiah.”. How sweet.

  224. Geez… maybe the 1/3 of Dems that are pro-life will vote for Romney……
    and maybe we need to stop believing the worst about the other party…..and the lies being told……


  225. Found a link to a great video on another blog. This is what we need more of in political ads. Oh yeah.

  226. Much as I hate to say it, I fear Atkin WILL win Missouri because some of the republican women in that state would rather vote a straight ticket. Seeing Atkin win in spite of his 13th century beliefs is better than giving a democrat a chance at the senate.

    I think he needs to spend a little more time in his science and technology committee, and maybe take a women’s thing class so he can understand the “SCIENCE” that has evolved over the last several decades. He’s on the committee for science and technology for pete’s sake!!! … makes you want to hang your head in shame…

  227. You said it! What bothers me also about the GOP disavowal of Akin is that many of them didn’t come right out to say what he said was horrible, but that he should think of the party and get out of the race. That’s what I call keep your priorities straight… U g h.

  228. Helen and Margaret, finding a post from you in my mailbox makes me smile in anticipation; reading it makes my day. Thanks!

  229. Well, Tradesman, I’m breaking my vow to myself to delete all your comments. But that would be so unfair, wouldn’t it? (I’ve done pretty well with that for the last forty-eight, or sixty-two, hours. I’ll remind myself to do that again, very soon.) I know you’re desperate to be heard.

    I’m having a relapse. Maybe I need an intervention. And PLEASE don’t send me, or any of us, a gazillion old email rumors that you’ve dug up somewhere.

    R/R are saying they don’t quite support the GOP “platform” on abortion rights, today, sort of, but maybe not exactly… But, of course, they DO support it. They just don’t want anyone in their party to actually SAY anything like that out loud, in front of the populace of the great US of A. Because if someone actually SAID something like that, the white doughy guys would have to immediately withdraw all financial support for him/her – because they just can’t have people out there saying stuff like that out loud. And, of course, that is exactly what they did.

    They’ve got to keep this kind of stuff under the radar – because if people really knew what they have in mind, they would be sent immediately to the first ring of purgatory. Where they might rest for a while, before moving on to wherever.

    From my mouth to the goddess’s ears.

    Have a nice night, however you can.


  230. and this is even better….
    National Organization for Women chapters in Southern California — we’re talking Hollywood, Long Beach-South Bay, Pacific Shores and Palm Springs — have denounced what they deem discrimination, and a betrayal of sorts.


  231. By the way, UAW Ryan cosponsored a bill Akin, which I’ve already described in detail in this blog. So his views are known to be in kind with Akin’s when it comes to life beginning at conception, no abortion even in cases of rape, incest and the health of the mother, ending the use of most forms of birth control (since they can be considered a form of abortion), etc. Since Romney picked him as a running mate and flip flops as often as a fish out of water, what are we to assume about his stand on these matters?

  232. T.A. Cannot bring myself to do the full name. These so-called “pro-life” Repugs are definitely not. They can’t get past their rape fantasies. Thats why T.A. has hung onto what he is espousing for so long despite what others are trying to tell him. Drop out of the contest? No way! That would mean he agrees with the message from his own party to boogie on down the highway to nowhere. And he so belongs there!

  233. ——–Why Mitt Romney is Unlikable !——–

    A lot is being said in the media about Mitt Romney not being “likable” or that he doesn’t “relate well” to people. Frankly, we struggled to understand why. So after much research, we have come up with a Top Ten List to explain this “unlikablility.”

    Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:

    1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesmanlike aura. Looks like every central casting’s #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief.
    2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been faithful to her, including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS.
    3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
    4. Can’t speak in a fake, southern, “black preacher voice” when necessary.
    5. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School… and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.
    6. Doesn’t smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the counter-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today’s America?
    7. Represents an America of “yesterday”, where people believed in God, went to Church, didn’t screw around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!
    8. Has a family of five great sons….and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab. But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that “choice” deserves America’s scorn.
    9. Oh yes…..he’s a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.
    10. And one more point…..pundits say because of his wealth, he can’t relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that’s because he made that money HIMSELF…..as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad. Apparently, he didn’t understand that actually working at a job and earning your own money made you unrelatable to Americans.

    My goodness, it’s a strange world, isn’t it?


    Personal Information:

    His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney. He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.

    His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan.

    He was raised in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.

    He is Married to Ann Romney since 1969; they five children.

    Education: B.A. from Brigham Young University, J.D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University

    Religion: Mormon – The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints

    Working Background: After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.

    After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar exam, but never worked as an attorney.

    In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States.

    In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.

    He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

    In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.

    Some Interesting Facts about Romney:

    Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts, turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.

    Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino’s, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply and many others.

    He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad’s gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

    He was an unpaid intern in his dad’s governor’s office for eight years.

    He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years.

    He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

    He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.

    He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

    Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money, service and time than most men.

    And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income…. Just for comparison purposes,Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.

    Mitt Romney is Trustworthy:

    He will show us his birth certificate

    He will show us his high school and college transcripts.

    He will show us his social security card.

    He will show us his law degree.

    He will show us his draft notice.

    He will show us his medical records.

    He will show us his income tax records.

    He will show us he has nothing to hide.—-

    Mitt Romney’s background, experience and trustworthiness show him to be a great leader and an excellent citizen for President of the United States.

    You may think that Romney may not be the best representative the Republicans could have selected. At least I know what religion he is, and that he won’t desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers, or practice fiscal irresponsibility.

    I know he has the ability to turn this financial debacle that the current regime has gotten us into. We won’t like all the things necessary to recover from this debt, but someone with Romney’s background can do it. But, on the minus side, he never was a “Community Organizer”, never took drugs or smoked pot, never got drunk, did not associate with communists or terrorists, nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the US.

  234. Geez Paige…I thought I was posting about responsibility……something all of us should do……Blaming Romney/Ryan for Akin’s comment isn’t…..and just what is the difference between a Dem telling you how to live and a Repub telling you how to live…..you already know that Romney/Ryan are left of the Republican Platform………lets hear you blast some of the things on the dem Platform…or not on the platform….

    According to Democrats for Life, nearly one-third of all Democrats self-identify as pro-life, and in the 2008 election, about one-fourth of Obama’s supporters considered themselves pro-life.


    apparently there are Democrats that don’t agree with you or Helen….

  235. HI, Elsie – Lordy; I’d forgotten how good that show was. And there was no wasting time there trying to “reach across the aisle”, or debating the supposed validity of opposing “truths”…! What a bloody sleeveless errand that’s turned out to be, every time.

    Thanks to you, and all the wonderful posters (you know who you are, and if you’re not one of them, you know that, too) here today, many of whose names are new to me (I’ve only been following for a couple of months). AND BIG THANKS TO YOU, HELEN, FOR YOUR GUTS, WIT, AND INTELLIGENCE! And to Margaret, quiet co-conspirator that you are.

    And maybe a thanks, as well, to the Universe, for putting Akin on the national screen, and having those words come out of his mouth. The far right’s agenda is now even more undeniably apparent. So much for those indignant claims that the War on Women is “fabricated”!

    I wonder if any of the “personhood” people have given a thought to what the passage of such an amendment (heaven forbid) might mean to the country. In my opinion, it would mean the arrival of tens of thousands of unwanted children, many without an intact family and probably most of them born in poverty. It would mean the increase in women’s deaths from self-administered abortions, suicides by young women who had no access to birth control, recourse to medical care, child support, or even food and shelter for themselves and their baby. The return of the bloodied coat hanger. The growth of back-alley abortion mills. More newborns found abandoned in dumpsters. Massive increase in the need for law officers to find and prosecute all those women and abortion mills. An enormous burden on the legal system to prosecute women who “murdered an unborn person”. Huge increases in costs for the penal system, to house all those convicted. And on and on and on – and none of this is EVER addressed by those who profess their belief in the “sanctity of life”!

    I guess, in a twisted way, we could look at this as the GOP’s plan to “get American back to work.” They sure as hell haven’t presented anything else.

    I feel I can confidently say that there is hardly a woman alive who has had an abortion – and I am one of them – who made that difficult choice without some serious soul-searching, and who does not think of it, from time to time, for the rest of her life. The best of us know that sometimes life us hands us hard choices, and we do the best we can when that happens. (Remember the movie, “Sophie’s Choice”?)

    I was twenty-two when I got pregnant, with a supposedly “foolproof” IUD in place. (I certainly wasn’t being irresponsible!) I’m white, upper-middle-class, well educated, raised by a loving family, and was living with a supportive boyfriend (whom I later married). I had access to every resource in the world… And I chose to have an abortion. I have never regretted that decision, difficult as it was. I can hardly imagine what a seventeen-year-old young woman, with none of the resources I had, could possibly think or do if she were forced to continue a pregnancy she did not want. And I would certainly never presume to insist that she do one thing or another – unless I were willing to be personally responsible for helping to care for her and her child until that child was an adult.

    The “personhood people” want to inflict their own moral beliefs on all women – and are apparently unwilling to take any responsibility whatsoever for the consequences of their doing so. As so many here have noted, their position seems to be, “You have to have the kid, and then you’re on your own.”

    THAT is what I find absolutely unconscionable.

    Gato, the long-winded-two-days-in-a-row…

  236. Okay, this is the last link, for the time being…. It’s just too good to ignore right now… I mean, what with all the biblical hypocrites we hear from, day in/day out.

    “The West Wing” took on the ridiculous rules in Leviticus before it was trendy. The woman in the video seems to represent the Westboro Baptist Church, and the president seems to represent what everyone would like to say to them.


  237. Have you see THIS yet?


    It’s excellent.
    Oh, yeah….

  238. The genius of God’s creation explained right here…. in “Banana: The Atheists Nightmare”.


    Can I have an “Amen”?

  239. Thanks for that, Elsie. I enjoyed it!

  240. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/22/women-to-republicans-its-my-vagina-so-hands-off-crazy/

    I just found this earlier today and really enjoy the video, “Hands Off, Crazy”; maybe you will, too.

  241. I can’t for the life of me imagine any woman voting for any Republican. Even the ones who call themselves moderate are asshats.

  242. Oh my gosh, I loved that video Silent M. Thanks for that. I was trying to do my good deed for the day and find a blog that the “Rob-Me” supporters could spout off on where their comments might be more appreciated, and I ran across one called To Be Right, I think it was called. Can you believe they’re still ranting on there about the photo of Obama not putting his hand over his heart to say the Pledge of Allegiance? That ship sailed a long time ago, has been proven to be false by Snopes, Fact Check and every other unbiased fact-checking site imaginable. I’ll bet whoever photo-shopped that is really proud of his/her stupid rethuglican self.

  243. My “whole thing” just got online and made a campaign contribution to Akin’s opponent, and I live in Georgia. Then I went on Facebook and suggested others do the same.

    Up their “whole thing”!

  244. It looks like the GOP/Tea party has gotten itself another bumpercrop of crazy to run in the senate races. This one isn’t a witch, or even a chicken lady. This one isn’t funny at all. SMH…..Let’s stop this noise. and shut it on down in November ladies.

  245. Thanks Paige, I wish I had said that instead of what I did say! Sometimes I know I should put some wait and think time before I answer instead of just going in off the top of my head!

  246. I don’t normally address my remarks to the readers, but I must do it this time. UAW, I remember that you’ve been posting comments on this thread for quite some time, but I don’t remember you ever being as obtuse as you seem to be today. WTF makes you think that the First Lady waging a campaign to help people find ways to eat healthier is in any way equivalent to someone legislating what women can do with their own bodies? The FLOTUS is making suggestions to help women become healtheir. The Rethuglicans are making laws to control women. And what does Bloomberg with his 16 oz. drink rule have to do with any of this? You and the Rethuglicans get the right to have an opinion when you grow a uterus. There weren’t a bunch of women of either party complaining about tax dollars being used for Viagra or other ED medications.

  247. Terri in NY on August 22, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    His idiotic comments have ignited outrage in a lot of men too.

  248. Frankly, UAW I don’t agree with the NY Mayor’s edicts on soft drinks, etc. I think education and access (to good healthy food and good affordable healthcare and health insurance) is the way to go in all situations, not legislation about how we should eat or what we can and cannot do to our bodies. And I might say again, that men and women share equal responsibility in sexual situations, preventing pregnancy, etc. But women bear the burden of carrying the child and usually raising the child and until that changes, it is the woman’s choice. I believe that if the man is in her life and is willing to be supportive (emotionally, financially, spiritually) in all aspects of the child’s life, he should be included in the decision, but ultimately, it is up to her, since it is she who is putting her body on the line.

  249. Hey UAW
    Here’s a chance to tell it like it really was.

  250. Oh Helen,
    I really want to be you when/if I grow up.

    If this man opened his mouth, before being elected to his current office, HOW in the HOO HAA did he ever get in? Although I agree that ONE mis-begotten sentence, in one speech should not result in the complete abortion of a candidacy, I just cannot understand how this moron got elected to begin with. For that matter, why would ANY WOMAN vote for these asshats? What is that coolaide spiked with??

    …and Kimberly, I love you for this quote :
    How I long for just one politician to come out and say, “I will leave your whole thing alone.” That’s all I need to hear. Really. I mean it. but you forgot to end with “FOREVER”

  251. To steal a line from Eve Ensler, they have given us one more “Reason to Rise”. Women and the men who love them, need to make sure these “asshats” realize who is in charge here ~ and it is certainly not them.

  252. Oh, Helen, I was looking forward to your commentary on this and you do not disappoint! Love the line “what are they looking for up there – a tax refund?”

  253. Excellent, dmcrane1. The Regressives’ continued trumpeting of being pro-life really means they are only pro-life for the wealthiest top 5%.
    Pres. Obama – while not perfect – creates policy that is inclusive.

  254. I aspire to be like you when I am your age Helen!!! Your tell it like it is approach is refreshing!

  255. These ridiculous comments show that the Republican Party should start their assembly with a sex education tape. That anyone in this day and age can believe Akin’s statement about not getting pregnant from rape, or Rush Limbaugh’s ignorant statement about Sandra Fluke’s use of birth control, “she has to to have sex so much she needs lots of birth control pills” as if you had to take a bc pill every time you had sex to prevent pregnancy, shows a total, and willful ignorance of how you get pregnant or not get pregnant and how bc pills work. The GOP and RWNJ’s have elevated “stupidity and ignorance” to a new high in their ranks.

    However Akin’s statement aside, he doesn’t believe in abortion even for rape or incest, whereas the Republican’s just approved their platform which prohibits abortion for “rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother”..no abortion for any reason whatsoever. They don’t care about life. They care about the subjugation of women. If they really cared about life they wouldn’t be cutting foodstamp programs and school lunch programs that help feed the poor and working poor and elderly. The GOP is Ebenezer Scrooge in a pinstripe suit “are there no workhouses? are there no prisons?” and the poor “best die and decrease the surplus population”.

  256. I hope all you conspiracy nuts hang all your hopes on this one issue. Please!

  257. Amen to that! I honestly don’t know how any woman can vote Republican! Thank you, Helen, for your common sense and your wit!

  258. The Republicans are making it easy for women to vote for Democrats. Why do the Republicans hate women so much? Clearly they don’t realize that we are more than half of the voting population and come November, we will be speaking out against their woman-hating policies.

  259. Thanks to the website “Addicting Info” – I found that the rest of the world doesn’t think we will be voting Willard into office.
    Bovada – the Harrah’s gambling website, as of today – has the following bets available – Democrats -$215 Republicans +$175.
    If you want to bet that Pres. Obama will win the election, you have to bet $215 to win $100. If you want to bet Willard will win – you have to bet $100 to receive $175.
    As they say, money talks, b.s. walks. Bye bye Willard & Paul.

  260. Thanks for the timely blast against Akin and those who suppose such idiocy. It makes my blood boil that these men feel they have the right to tell women what they can, and cannot, do with their own bodies. The complete lack of acknowledgement that there is a third party – the woman – in the rape-caused pregnancy is mind-boggling! Akin only addresses the rapist and the rapists child, totally ignoring the victim here, the woman. May he rot in hell when his time comes! I wonder if he has legitimately raped a woman, thus his total understanding of the process…..

  261. Yes, Skyler, there is a bronze bust of Rush Limbaugh in the Missouri Capitol building. I thought it was the last straw but Todd Akin managed to place one more straw on the camel’s back and the poor thing’s back broke. I don’t want to say or even think “what’s next?” for us poor Missourians, let alone this great nation of ours.

  262. moggy …..so is the Democrat Party……they aren’t the JFK Party anymore……notice my avatar…..

  263. Love you, Helen! How I long for just one politician to come out and say, “I will leave your whole thing alone.” That’s all I need to hear. Really. I mean it.

  264. I see Beth is still slamming the Republicans and is condemning them for telling them about how to live your life……So Beth… is it “DO IT IF IT FEELS GOOD”……
    “The fact of the matter is the cat is already out of the bag and we have a nation of men and women who enjoy sex. Why shouldn’t they. It is enjoyable.”………
    So is eating…why doesn’t anyone blast Michele for telling people how to eat….how about New York and the illegality of drinks over 16 oz………
    the first is as stupid as the second but both sides should be talking about responsibility…..

  265. This is off topic but more good economic news: the housing market has improved this summer and prices are rising. More proof Obama policies are working.

  266. Great post! Akins comments have really ignited outrage among many women, and it’s about time. GOP women need to wake up and take a long hard look at the policies their party supports. Everyone needs to get out and vote this year. We cannot risk going back to the days before Roe vs. Wade. One more thing, let’s make sure the GOP keeps Christianity out of this. We have the separation of church and state for a reason.

  267. Uawtradesman(tradeswoman?) in case you haven’t been paying attention, the Republican party is a lot different than it used to be … http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/08/21/159587120/gop-platform-anti-abortion-language-includes-no-exceptions-for-rape-incest

  268. I do believe that this current crop of republicans in the news have undergone voluntary lobotomies. I just cannot imagine how any of them can really believe what they are saying…but I also think this (akin and company) is a result of the breakdown of what a friend of mine calls “the discipline of facts.” The idea that *my truth* is as valid as *your truth* has unleashed every assclown with political asperations to just go ahead and spout off whatever he or she believes is the *truth*. I’m glad that this blog is not shy about pointing out the untruths! And, hey, if you really are hiding tax money up there, let us know so we can go looking for some money, too!

  269. The link didn’t post, maybe this one will. Otherwise, I give up…(the link, not the War!) http://tinyurl.com/8ex26rg

  270. Guess my comment didn’t show up before. So I’ll try again. You ladies rock and are spot on! I think you would like to have this poster so we won’t forget the War on Women. Hope the link comes through.

  271. Very well said, Mary from MA. I have a problem with people saying they are Republican because they are Christian. I’m glad they’re Christian and I don’t care if they are Republican or not, but the way they act like the two are synonymous really confuses me. Especially the ones I know who HATE gays, HATE gay marriage, HATE Obama, HATE blacks, HATE for women to have a right to choose, and well, the list goes on and on. The only love I’ve seen in some of them lately (the ones I know personally) is love for Chick-Fil-A who, by the way, apparently supports HATE groups!

    And is it true that there is a bronze of Rush Limbaugh in my state capitol of Missouri?? I think I’m going to be sick!

  272. Great, great post, Helen. You nailed it once again. The asshats who think they have the right to legislate our bodies are not much different from the people who justified slavery by quoting from the bible. The fact Regressives can justify this sort of platform and look family and friends in the eye, and say “we don’t care about you, only your gestating abilities” tells me all I need to know. The platform is not pro-life, the platform is created out of fear and desire to control women. No one with half a brain is fooled by their bleating.
    Thanks for the great post!! Best to Margaret.

  273. Lately whenever I see any Republican on TV spouting hatred against our President but never with new ideas to bring the country forward I have to blink several times because I could swear they are wearing Taliban turbans — unlike the Taliban they are instead terrorizing through legal processes instead of roaming the country side stoning women and blinding girls with acid so they can’t study – doesn’t make them any different – just more sophisticated.

    Plus I don’t understand why media doesn’t hold up their hand when Mitt whines about the President ignoring “issues” and talking from time-to-time about Mitt’s tax returns or Bain because we have so many more important issues to address…then instead of outlining HIS plans condemns the President on killing bin Laden, saving the auto industry and giving us almost 30 months of growth…slow…but growth. I want the media to say but sir everyone releases tax returns, you’ve not even released one full year. But sir you are running on your experience leading Bain, but sir you want to eliminate Affordable Care but have not introduced any plan to replace it or when that would occur…you will eliminate immediately but take a couple of years to replace it? What happens in the meantime? You want to cut education…where? You want to re-write tax laws – how? You want to introduce a new tax…what is it exactly so independent experts can at least give an opinion on it. About the only thing the GOP is very explicit about is how women have too much freedom and only the white, GOP male is capable of knowing what they need to be happy and healthy. Every member (male & female) of the GOP should have to work in a rape crisis center for 6 months, have to visit the truly poor and disadvantaged and have to help them through the maze of how to get off “the dole”. Most people who don’t suffer through this have empathy and recognize “there but for the grace of God go I” but it seems the GOP has none so for them – real life experiences must be provided.

  274. “What exactly are they looking for up there – a tax refund?” One of your best lines ever! Like I posted on my FB page, “Don’t let the Republicans legitimately rape you. Vote Democratic in November.” How any woman with a working brain, or man who has the slightest empathy towards women, can walk into the polls in November and pull the lever for R&R is beyond my wildest comprehension. At least this election season, they’re not trying to hide their true colors behind a dumbass brunette who likes to kill moose for fun. This time, they’re laying all their bigoted and small-minded cards on the table. I hope they go down in hell-fire flames.

  275. Isn’t funny how Romney chose a running mate who cosponsored a Sanctity of Life Act that would protect a fetus from the moment of conception barring all abortions whether the life of the mother were in danger, or in cases of rape or incest also making illegal most forms of birth control. Yes, of course there are moderate Republicans. But they seem to be laying low in the background these days, allowing the radicals to take control.

    By the way, just because Bush and McCain were only against abortions in the some and not all cases, doesn’t make them ‘good’ Republicans. The fight isn’t one of women wanting the right to make decisions for our bodies only if we were raped. It is repugnant that any public official would make the statements that Rep. Akin made. But it is also repugnant that any group of public officials, mostly men, would think that they can begin to understand and then legislate about / against the health and welfare of women’s bodies.

    I am a woman who does not need birth control and, thank goodness, has never needed an abortion. I am grateful for having those options available to me throughout my life. I know a few women who have had to make that choice. It was an agonizing one for all of them. Not one of them ever made it lightly or without long, careful thought. But I have, through the years, supported their choices and helped them through their decision. Not one of them regrets the decision, but all of them think about it once in a while. And all of them are grateful for the option having been available to them. By the way all of them had been using birth control. But birth control is not 100% infallible. It fails. None of them were in a financial, emotional, or spiritual position to raise a child. One friend was married and her husband supported her abortion because he knew she was in not ready to raise another child at that time. How marvelous to be married to such an enlightened man. Most of them did not have any support from the man who helped put her in that position.

    And there in lies the rub. When, all you Republicans raise your voices indignantly at how women should just keep their legs shut, and all the other repugnant crap you say … Why aren’t you telling the men to keep their junk in their pants? The fact of the matter is the cat is already out of the bag and we have a nation of men and women who enjoy sex. Why shouldn’t they. It is enjoyable. But until it is equal on all sides, until men and women share 100% equality in reproduction, this problem will always exist. And as long as women literally and figuratively bear the children, we have the say with what happens with our bodies. We walk around for 8 months with aches and pains and bulging bellies. We incur the risks to our health. We go through the pains of labor. We, even in today’s modern society, still bear the brunt of raising the child. If it ever comes to pass that men can bear the children, I guarantee you, they will see our point of view!

  276. I love Margaret and Helen ;)

  277. We need t-shirts with the title of this post: “My Vagina has Legitimate Concerns About Electing Republicans”

    Thanks Helen!!!

  278. There are things that are not great about both parties, but I have to tell you the Republicans are displaying the most anti female policies I have seen in years. I really I thought I was done with fighting for womens rights in the 60′s but I was wrong. Whats next the repeal of the womens right to vote!! They seem to be trying thier best to keep the poor from voting!! I just wish both parties would do what they are elected to do run the country stay out of our personal lifes, bodys and stop playing polical party power games!!!!

  279. I held my breath, closed my eyes and made a wish — for this essay. I knew you would not disappoint. Thank you Helen and Margaret.

  280. I love this blog from these 2 ladies…they are not fond if republicans….here is the latest and you should read some of the old ones….

    Victoria Morris Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T

  281. I love this blog… Helen & Margaret go after Todd akin & his stupid rape comment…. Read below..

    Victoria Morris Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T

  282. Helen, you’re terrific and your logic is right on (unlike UAW Tradesman, who has obviously drunk the GOP Kool-Aid). Keep on telling it like it is, Elder Woman. Your vagina and mine are in complete agreement!

  283. Great post. I will always maintain that men have NO right to make any decisions about women’s health issues and abortion is a health issue. Until they grow a vagina, uterus, and can become pregnant , they need to shut the F up!

  284. Helen, hoping you will address the matter of Republicans in certain states by virtue of requiring photo ID’s and shutting down on voting hours make it impossible for the poor with no cars, those who work two jobs or have jobs that don’t allow time off during “regular” voting hours, etc. etc. etc. and in other words people who might be expected to vote for that “other” party, to actually vote for it. This is an outrage! Sign me please a Former Rabid Republican deserted by the Republican Party, and now a Rabid Independent

  285. I just knew that you would be writing a satire on that ignorant statement by that numbskull, Todd Akin. I was not disappointed. You are so funny, Helen, and it is great to be able to laugh about the “keep ‘em barefoot and pregnant” bunch of Republicans.

  286. [He gives absolutely no thought to the woman – just the man and the “child”]


  287. Thank you Helen, you have summed up beautifully what that idiot Akin said. How would he feel if a female member of his family was raped?

  288. actually the Democrats are the single issue party…….OK……

    let’s talk about the (nonexistant)Federal Budget….how about how the Hyde Amendment got passed in 4 democrat controlled congresses….throw in some Fast and Furious…….and Transparency….you know… the stuff Obama always talks about…..


  289. Oh, Helen – YOU ARE A WONDER!!!! This is great. Just love it.

    The “legitimate rape” thing is bad enough, but to add that ridiculousness about how a woman’s body has “ways to shut that whole thing down” is absolutely no different than saying, “She must have asked for it,” or “She probably liked it” – total dehumanizing (as well as stupid) garbage!

    Akin said he “used the wrong words”. What might be the “right words” to point out that, basically, a woman can’t get pregnant unless she feels like it?

    The late Howard Thurman wrote about a time he was raking leaves for a white family, and their young daughter kept scattering all the piles he accumulated. He asked her to stop, and she refused. So she stuck him in the hand with a pin. When he shouted, “Ow! That hurt!” She replied, “That can’t hurt you – black people can’t feel anything.” Yeah; and a woman can decide whether or not she wants to get pregnant when she’s raped…

    Total ignorant, repulsive, abhorrent misogyny… But I repeat myself…
    And, of course, Akin just had the – whatever – to accurately make crystal clear the basis of the GOP “platform” on the subject… At least Akin’s staying in the race so the party heavyweights don’t have a chance to try to slide in somebody else who might be more… “subtle”…

    Hang tough! We love you!


  290. Akin’s crocodile tears and phoney explanation of his “error” is so transparent.
    He claims that he used the wrong word at the wrong time and in the wrong place. B as in B; S as in S.
    Then, he turns around — in Bachmann-esque fashion — and doubles down on his nonsense by claiming that his use of the “legitimate” adjective was being used to distinguish a certain kind of rape (the word he was searching for was probably “forcible” if you were to believe his explanation).
    What he was really doing was using “legitimate” to distinguish a certain “claim of rape” — you know the kind that leaves marks on the victim and isn’t just some after-the-fact excuse that loose women use to justify obtaining an abortion.
    The most disgusting part of this whole fiasco is that Akin inadvertantly exposed the actual position and beliefs of the fundie, teabaggin’, evangelical wing of the GOP by blurting out this “truth”. That is the real reason that everyone from Mittens to Chinless Mitch McConnell immediately called for him to bow out of his Senate race. They aren’t outraged in the least about Akin’s comments (if they were, they wouldn’t have chosen Paul Ryan as the Veep candidate — after all, he co-sponsored Akin’s “sanctity of life” bill that reflects this very kind of thinking).
    No — their motive was quite different than disgust. This is all about one thing — political survival. And it all echoes the GOP’s last bone-head presidential campaign move.
    Fakin’ Akin is to 2012 as Failin’ Palin was to 2008. Both of them caused a total collapse of their party’s presidential aspirations.

  291. Helen, Thank you for explaining Akin’s ignorance so eloquently. I live in Missouri and this is the straw that broke the camel’s back since I’m still trying to come to terms with having a bronze bust of Rush Limbaugh in my state’s capitol building! Hopefully this will wake all the brain dead women in this great land who have been dutifully marching lock-step behind their Republican husbands into the polling booths and voting “ditto”.

  292. So have you all heard this one?

    GOP official says God chooses to bless raped women with pregnancy

    election 2012
    August 21, 2012
    By: Lou Colagiovanni


    It’s absolutely repugnant and it is actually a FEMALE high ranking state republican who made the statement! UGH!

  293. Mr Akin is relying on information that is still hanging around (sort of like mildew), although it originated in the 13th century. I believe people who want to hang on to the medical “facts” of the 13th century should stock up on leeches. That way when they, or a family member is ill, they can be bled to bring the four humours back into balance.

  294. sorry Helen but not all Republicans are strict prolifers…
    even your link current platform…says

    “This is likely to be the third consecutive presidential election in which the Republican candidate for president – George W. Bush in 2004, John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney this year – has a more lenient position on abortion than the party’s platform.

    Bush, McCain and Romney all oppose abortion but have said it is acceptable under certain circumstances, such as when a rape results in a pregnancy.”

    and Akin’s is actually the Democrat’s candidate…their the ones who voted for him in the primary…..


  295. Great post. Even Akin’s apology is insulting. And terribly condescending. His lack of awareness of what is really behind his statements is quite scary. For someone to be THIS arrogant and completely blind to the arrogance itself floors me.

  296. The Republican party has nothing in common with Christ’s teachings, despite their hypocritical mouthing of piety and protestations of faith.

  297. Thanks for the full quote. It’s even worse in context. If Akin was right, women wouldn’t need birth control. They could just will themselves not to get pregnant. Is he Catholic?

  298. Great, I have been waiting for this post!! Thanks, Helen!

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