Margaret, I know it has been a few years since we last made the trip across the pond, but I was wondering if anyone is still alive in Europe? I watched a little bit of Fox News this weekend and I’m afraid everyone in Europe might have died from lack of access to healthcare. What a shame. They had such delicious food and beautiful art.
I am not sure when it happened but the base of the Republican party either got lazy or stupid or both… or maybe they always were. It took me only a few minutes of research on the internet to learn that America spends more on healthcare than any other wealthy nation and yet we don’t live longer or have better health outcomes. So unless we just enjoy making health insurance companies rich, all those tea party morons need to use the internet for something other than ordering their penis enhancement pills.
Exactly how expensive does healthcare have to get before we decide to have an honest, meaningful conversation about this? Rush is out there talking about how this will keep you from getting your next raise. I’ve got news for you Rush. Maybe not for you, but for the rest of the world it already has. Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses and almost all of those individuals had health insurance. About 1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs. Over the last few years, health insurance costs for small businesses have increased by over 100%.
But let’s not get lost in the numbers. What we are talking about here is access to healthcare. We are talking about mothers and fathers losing their homes and their life savings trying to save their children. We are talking about families helping a loved one to fight cancer. We are talking about people suffering with diabetes, asthma and AIDS. We are not talking about death panels and for God’s sakes we are not talking about Nazi Germany. We are talking about tending to the sick and the poor… does that sound familiar to anyone? You Value Voters out there claim to read the Bible. Maybe you should crack the cover on that one again. You are so damn worried about who is marrying who and what immigrant is getting the best shift at the Taco Bell, but God forbid someone’s suffering doesn’t come with a price tag…
Honestly, if I could , I would put the entire Republic party over my knee and give them a good spanking. What does it say about our country if the biggest debate of the decade is no longer about the two wars we are fighting but rather about preventing children and families from having access to affordable healthcare? I’ll tell you what it says to me. It says the Christian Right never really was and Value Voters aren’t very valuable.
Let me spell it out for you:
Sarah Palin is worried about death squads. I think she should spend a little more time worrying about getting at least one child into college.
Rush Limbaugh is worried about Socialism. That’s a big word for a college drop out, but isn’t it nice when such a wealthy person shows so much concern for poor little us. I wonder if he’ll spend a little of his $400 million contract and write you ditto heads a check when you can’t afford your hospital bills.
Dick Cheney has had four heat attacks. He underwent four-vessel coronary artery bypass grafting in 1988, coronary artery stenting in November 1994, and urgent coronary balloon angioplasty in December 1994. He has been treated for popliteal artery aneurysms, deep-vein thrombosis, atrial fibrillation, and most recently back problems. I wonder what his out-of-pocket expenses were. I wonder if he even cares?
Universal Healthcare in the wealthiest country on earth should have been a no brainer. And speaking of a no brainer…
Michele Bachman thinks healthcare reform is unconstitutional. I think Michelle Bachmann is as nutty as a fruit cake. Or as we say down here in Texas – Michele is one taco short of a combo plate. She is a few fries short of a happy meal. Her elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top floor. Her cord is too short to reach the outlet. The wheel might be spinning but the hamster is dead.
That woman just isn’t right in the head. I mean it. Really.
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By: andrea on September 20, 2010
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By: jeff on September 20, 2010
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8 hrs to see a doctor till it was so cold I had to go home, They never even brought me a blanket. I am still alive , so am not a stastic.
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By: jo on September 20, 2010
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Have to concur with Kellie here, our health system in Queensland is in crisis, besides people dying in waiting for medical care, hospital staff payments are in crisis, staff are not been paid.
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By: Mark on September 20, 2010
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Hi from Australia. I dont think you guys are on your own. Our health system is in overload and needless deaths are an everyday occurrence. The Pollies say have it under control ??????
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By: kellie on September 20, 2010
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By: greg on September 20, 2010
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Is it possible that after surviving 6 heart attacks some credit must be due to our health care system?
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By: baz on September 20, 2010
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By: Tom Chrenshaw on July 21, 2010
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I know it’s late to be commenting. I’m Canadian, and SO glad Americans are getting health care.
Our health care system is funded province by province. In British Columbia, we each pay a small monthly premium. AND it’s partially funded by the sales of Lotto tickets. I think this is brilliant. It’s a lottery everyone wins.
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By: Jane on November 6, 2009
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My fellow M&H peps here is a link which will allow you to become apart of the process… Please take a peek and participate in the survey… 😉 It’s kinda fun AND important… Tha ks in advance…
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hrvcvideos/
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By: lori on October 30, 2009
at 12:02 PM
Pamela, please email me at ccmalloy@yahoo.com.
I don’t know how to contact you otherwise, thought I could click on your name and connect to your email, but it doesn’t work that way.
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By: clayo on October 30, 2009
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Anonymous on October 29, 2009
at 7:39 PM
Are you always this impolite? Or is it the anonymity that causes you to behave so poorly?
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By: lori on October 30, 2009
at 5:01 AM
Hi gang, jsri, Imaginista and Sistah Sally,
jsri, please don’t throw in the towel on this blog. You have made some valuable contributions with your wisdom and insights. I hope you will continue. I’ll never forget Orally Titz!
Imaginista, on the advice of Poolman, I went to your site. I don’t very often go to links or sites, partly because of time constraints and also I have difficulty getting back onto where I was in the comments. Anybody else have that problem? I chalk it up to over a month’s comments since the last post from Helen.
The point is, Imaginista, your images are BEAUTIFUL!!!!! You have a real talent and flair for choosing just the right subject matter. Naturally I was drawn to your Kauai works. You captured them quite accurately.
Sistah Sally, welcome back! You were missed. Are we rich yet?
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 30, 2009
at 1:16 AM
“Launching in 2010, online magazine Whisper n Thunder will share the stories of the indigenous people of America. Through history, family stories, profiles of courage and current events that we must address, we will share truth.
History has neither been kind nor accurate. We intend to change that.”
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By: Poolman on October 29, 2009
at 9:56 PM
JJ and Tine, I think that’s anti-james.
ImaginistaΔ, SIL is my son-in-law, and he is familiar with the Coronado Cafe. He has some friends that live in the area. He is unfamiliar with the Burning Bush Drum Circle, although now is intriged. He does art and also is a tattoo artist. His name is Carlos Villegas. My avatar is his youngest son and looks like just like him.
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By: Poolman on October 29, 2009
at 9:19 PM
IMO only rude, cowardly “anonymous” people are jackasses.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 29, 2009
at 8:52 PM
Anon: You certainly could use that recipe!
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 29, 2009
at 8:41 PM
Maybe Pamela has a natural remedy for being a total jackass.
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By: Anonymous on October 29, 2009
at 7:39 PM
KitKat: I heard it on NPR last week near Seattle, WA.
I think the fellow wrote a book about the historical perspective of seafood. I just looked on NPR but did not see anything that looked close to it.
It was quite interesting though. We do need to consider what we put into our bodies.
I like seafood so if there is a reason for eating it is OK with me.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 29, 2009
at 7:32 PM
JuneauJoe, I’d be interested to know who was talking, his sources, and what kind of time period he is talking about for the decrease in brain size. Most of the info I read tells that once we started to domesticate plants and animals, roughly 10,000 years ago depending on the area, humans started to become more gracile and smaller overall. The brain would follow suit. I haven’t read anything about the body getting larger. One really good example of decreasing body size is the fact that we get impacted wisdom teeth, overcrowding, and malocclusion of the teeth. This is because there isn’t enough room for the teeth. Prior to domestication, there was no problem with all the teeth fitting in the mouth just fine.
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By: kitkatΔ on October 29, 2009
at 7:12 PM
Where’s Helen? Where’s Margaret? Matthew, please let us know that it is just computer problems and send us a note that everything is alright!
Haven’t had time to read through the over 1,000 comments, just the last few.
Natural medicine – my favorite!
For the real herbal remedies, go to HerbDoc.com. It is the website for Dr. Richard Schulze’s American Botanical Company. GOOD stuff from real herbs – I highly recommend the anti infection formula for cuts (stings like crazy but never gets infected), lobelia (queen of herbs), and intestinal formulas.
Hope everyone is well. I am neck deep in Rich Dad stuff – getting my financial education and off my butt!
Sally
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By: Honolulu Sally on October 29, 2009
at 7:06 PM
I heard this fellow talking about seafood and the brain. It was quite interesting.
Historcally, Native peoples followed the water to move to new locations: Over the land bridge and such thousands and even millions of years ago. They were by water and ate fish and shellfish from the water. The fellows point was that seafood and shellfish is brain food and we do not eat enough of it.
He said another scary thing is that the brain is getting smaller in mass but the bodies are getting larger. the brain size to body ratio is something which should be a concern in his mind.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 29, 2009
at 6:19 PM
It is a big enough subject to draw its own following don’t you think Raji? I do, just from what I’ve seen on this blog, and of course if someone interested in the subject were to Google alternative health options or some such thing, voila, they would be directed right to that blog.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 29, 2009
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M & H : Please come back. The rats are eating each other.
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By: Morgan on October 29, 2009
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no one’s puppet, I see your point but what is the difference between discussing alternative treatments or trading recipes during this lag in M&H’s blog. I think we are filling in space as we wait.
jsri, as I told Pamela, please don’t over react (I actually said don’t get your panties in a wad). No one is attacking you for your opinions.
I will make a reference to the overuse of zinc. Those of us who are members of the “gummy club” which refers to dentures and have to use dental adhesives are getting an overdose of zinc.
My dentist just recommended another product as I told him I had lost my sense of taste. Hopefully it will come back.
Hopefully Helen will come back soon also.
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By: Raji on October 29, 2009
at 5:29 PM
Claire, send me an email…. I’d love it!
jsri, you mislead folks and it seems you could at least be honest about it, but then your rebuttal is a bit dishonest too. Your lie had nothing to do with the “increase by ten fold in iatrogenic deaths if we closed all the hospitals and fired all the MDs”, as you suggested.
You mislead (or lied to) folks when you told them Zicam was a contaminated and dangerous product when Zicam is not a product but a brand and there are seventeen products by Zicam that have nothing to do with any negative claims…. but you know what, I’m done with this too. I thought you’d cop to what you did but I can see you ain’t gonna no matter what.
Anonymous, whatever….
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By: Pamela Δ on October 29, 2009
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There appears to be a genuine need for a blog where people can ask questions and explore alternative treatments. More than a few regular contributors have a litany of aches, pains, and illnesses, I know I am going to get in trouble here folks, but I question rather M&H blog is the appropriate site? Maybe this down time would be a good time to discuss setting up a blog specifically for health and wellness issues.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 29, 2009
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Delurker–you know she’ll file for reconsideration or something like that. I’m home from work after some minor surgery and watching breathlessly for her reaction.
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By: Donna on October 29, 2009
at 2:27 PM
FWIW, Jsri and Pamela, your lively exchange has had no effect whatsoever on my opinion of either of you. Still think you’re both groovy. I’m not seeing any pariahs around here except those few pains-in-the-arses whose repugnance we can *all* agree on.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 29, 2009
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Donna, you beat me to the Orly smackdown scoop! I’ll get you next time!
I’m not sure what to say about demonic Halloween candy:
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/halloween_danger_daniels.aspx
Being against Halloween is one thing, but it seems a stretch to say “most of the candy sold during this season has been dedicated and prayed over by witches” and the article gets more interesting from there.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 29, 2009
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Make that
I NOW am wondering…
silly typos.
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By: ImaginistaΔ on October 29, 2009
at 1:56 PM
Thank you, Poolman! Right now the only place we have our work is at the Coronado Cafe (7th St and Monte Vista), it is an exhibition of black and whites in Paris.
I love First Fridays – after gallery hopping we always end up at the Burning Bush Drum Circle (drums provided for everyone!) where, besides the drumming, there are fire spinners, belly dancers, digeridoo players. It’s a spectacle and so much fun.
I am glad it is cooler, but I am most happy when it is about 90/60. It was COLD this morning!
Who is your sister, I know am wondering! Maybe I am familiar!
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By: ImaginistaΔ on October 29, 2009
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Are Turmeric and Curcamin the same? I take a Turmeric supplement for inflammation.
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By: Claire on October 29, 2009
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Maybe Pamela has a remedy for her thin skin.
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By: Anonymous on October 29, 2009
at 1:46 PM
ImaginistaΔ,
I went to your site and enjoyed the beautiful photographic images, etc. Do you have anything in any local studios? Just curious. My SIL is a local artist and knows many local artists and gets involved in some of the downtown art things. How are you liking this nice cool weather? About time, eh? 😀
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By: Poolman on October 29, 2009
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Pamela, I was interested to read your recommendation for Curcamin. We will definitely try that out for joint pain. My partner has polymyalgia and rejected using the steroid therapy the rheumatologist wanted her to use.
We have found great prices for supplements through Swanson Vitamins. They have a website.
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By: ImaginistaΔ on October 29, 2009
at 1:30 PM
Time out folks!
Been away attending to family business for a few days and upon return find I have been accused of every nefarious scheme short of axe murder. I hope I will be allowed to set the record straight.
It all started when I saw the word Zicam in a recommendation about cold remedies here on the H&M website. All I knew about Zicam at the time was that it was a product I had seen advertised on TV and I also knew that a few years ago, there seemed to be an association between the product and loss of smell for some people. Then, last September, there was an FDA recall of the product. FDA Recall Letter: http://salaswildthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/06/zicam-recall-fda-warns-zicam-side.html The recall letter set off a firestorm of complaints from Zicam users as well as additional charges from individuals who began to associate their own loss of smell with their use of Zicam. Of course, lawyers jumped into this like a toddler into the mud.
Several fiery blogs appeared with comments and counter comments between Zicam users and Zicam accusers. Two things became quickly apparent, 1.) Zicam userss have an almost cult like attachment to the product, and 2.) Zicam users were either hostile or indifferent to those who were negatively affected by its use. It was against that background that I expressed a need for caution on the H&M site by anyone thinking about using the product. Almost immediately, I became a pariah and it has been all downhill from there.
Some of the charges are interesting though way off the mark. When I made a comment that I had no vested financial interest in whether a product wins or loses, I regret that I didn’t make it clearer that I meant all products because that comment was used to accuse me of being in the pocket of Big Pharma. Nothing could be more divorced from the truth. I have great disdain for Big Pharma and consider it a singular example of the institutional greed that I face every month when we buy our meds. And the accusation that I deliberately lied by giving a false figure regarding the possible increase in the number of deaths that would occur if all MD’s and Hospitals were to disappear is laughable. Sadly, someone failed to recognize it as a wild and exaggerated guesstimate and took it for a “fact”. In truth, iatrogenic death reports vary all over the lot. Some are much higher than the figure in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis some are lower. It is one of the most difficult figures to get a real handle on and varies from country to country, from survey to survey and from lawyer to lawyer.
Finally, neither I nor any members of my family have had anything that equates to a success in the use of natural products. Unfortunately that is our history and whether or not some people disapprove of it is too bad. That’s our reality and is just the way life fall sometimes.
I’m not about to address all the distortions leveled on me. It is just a waste of time. But unless or until H&M come up with a new topic, I’m out of here for the final time.
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By: jsri on October 29, 2009
at 1:22 PM
Pamela, would love to get in touch w. you if you are in the ATL area.
Orly Taitz=yet another embarassment for GA!
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By: Claire on October 29, 2009
at 12:24 PM
Tony is 6. No worries — I think he has a pretty face too, and as I said, being called “pretty” wouldn’t bother him a bit. He has no silly notions about gender roles. Even if it *did* bother him, he would just show off one of his board-breaking Tae Kwon Do kicks to assert himself. 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 29, 2009
at 12:19 PM
Delurker? You out there? The latest Orly Taitz suit just got dismissed–another smackdown on her integrity and competence.
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By: Donna on October 29, 2009
at 12:17 PM
Tine, My, is my face red. My apologies to Tony. I have no problem calling him “handsome” though. How old is he? For some reason, I thought you had 2 little girls. Have a great day!!!
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By: sunshine on October 29, 2009
at 11:45 AM
OK, I need some help folks. If any of you computer geeks have benefited from any of the things I’ve put out there, would you consider giving me the benefit of your brillant and oh so very enviable minds? I am CLUELESS when it comes to technology and I’m afraid I’m going to need a new computer rather quickly here and don’t know where to begin.
I currently have an apple ibook g4 OS X 10.4.11 with 1.2 GHz Processor and 512 MB memory and it’s getting slower and more disgruntled as we speak (well, its really me that’s getting disgruntled but… ). It determines for itself when I can watch hulu.com and I’m beginning to feel like an abused child with all its pevish ploys to piss me off.
I think I’d like to get something unMac and then maybe get this one refurbished as I do love it still soooo…. and so I want something, inexpensive please, that lets me watch hulu without a bunch of irritating sound to visual delays, that would let me do power point presentations and that will last me more than 3 years…. is that too much to ask?
Oh, and I’m computer illiterate…. did I mention that already? Is it possible to get one from Overstock.com? Cause it truly annoys me when I find I’ve paid twice as much for something than I had to and well, I’m just asking here????
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By: Pamela Δ on October 29, 2009
at 10:12 AM
Helen!
Where are you? It’s been more than a month and we miss you.
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By: Lucy on October 29, 2009
at 10:07 AM
MiKat,
I’m not a fan of GNC, as they mostly carry just their ‘stuff’ and they appear to have profit margin rather than highest quality as their primary motivating force.
I’ve muscle tested my patients on GNC products they bring in and nine times out of ten, they go weak with them. Kinesiology is my method of letting the patients body tell us both what works for them.
Find a natural foods store and tell them what you’re looking for. The things I’ve told folks about here are readily available in health food stores, and they are very basic and very safe.
But understand that they are not what I go to when I’m needing something for myself or for my patients, as I carry professional medical grade products that are not available in health food stores or drug stores.
I make specific formulas for patients using five times concentrated herbal powders from my herbal pharmacy of more than 1,200 herbal powders, and do formulas for everything you can imagine that treat the whole person at once.
This is a common way of practicing in Chinese medicine, though some doctors of acupuncture and herbology use the raw herbs (which you have to cook into a tea every third day and they do stink up a whole house!!) or use alcohol extract tinctures, which I find bitter. There are many of us out there who are highly trained in this medicine and I wish you a most positive and healing journey. It will change your life if you let it.
Enough, I gotta run!
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By: Pamela Δ on October 29, 2009
at 9:28 AM
Pamela,
Where might I find these wonderful natural medicines you have all been talking about? There are plenty of GMC and “Natural” drug stores around. I was just wondering if I can find them there or do I have to have a prescription from an Herbalist or an ND?
I am making quite a list of things I would like to pick up. I suffer from arthritic hands and as I make my living working at the computer it is a daily issue. My mother has terrible arthritic hips, but refuses to take anything. She might be far more interested in a natural pain medicine.
I have learned so much from all of you wonderful people. I am so happy to be a member of the “family” here on Helen’s porch!
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By: MiKat on October 29, 2009
at 8:49 AM
Speaking of Faith
with Krista Tippett:
The Power of Eckhart Tolle’s ‘Now’
The interview is actually
a repeat from 8/14/08.
PEACE ~ Δ
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 29, 2009
at 8:49 AM
Sunshine, now I have the case of the giggles.
I see you noticed my fleeting avatar change. I briefly had my son Tony’s pic up, then changed it back to myself.
Tony is quite secure in his masculinity and would be delighted that you called him “pretty.” 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 29, 2009
at 8:06 AM
Tine, your older little girl? She is very pretty too.
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By: sunshine on October 29, 2009
at 7:22 AM
LOL, Tine: I can see how jealousy and envy could create a streak of rage, not in the least dampened by her oh so tolerant deliberations…. no mean feat if you still have your radio to listen to. Maybe that’s what had Tolle giggling… yep, he definitely was.
MiKat, my apologies, I think I addressed you as kitkat several times.
Our pres was up and out early this morning, respecting our fallen soldiers. I don’t know the best way to extract ourselves from this fray but I read this week that, with international forces, we outnumber Al Queda in Afghanistan by 20 to 1, so its hard to imagine that sending more troops is going to help and when you consider how our very presence there fuels the hatred of us infidels and increases the numbers joining Al Queda, how can we turn this into something positive?
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By: Pamela Δ on October 29, 2009
at 7:17 AM
Margaret and Helen,
I sure hope one of you is having a passionate affair, and while you might be discussing it, you prefer to keep it quiet and avoid a scandal. Love you both, even if you posted everyday it wouldn’t be too much for me.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 29, 2009
at 6:44 AM
Pamela: I heard that Eckhart Tolle interview too. It was an interesting program. And was it just me, or did Tolle seem to have a case of the giggles?
I have a one-sided love/hate relationship with Krista Tippett. On the one hand, I think her show is great. So intelligent and enlightening, and always bringing people together rather than pushing them apart.
But that super-sweet, oh-so-deliberate voice she uses drives me nuts! Oh, and did I mention that I covet her job? Between the voice and the jealousy, sometimes I want to punch the radio. 😉
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 29, 2009
at 5:55 AM
Poolman, I know where you are coming from. In my world I found the more I charged for a riding lesson, people thought I was good.. If I tried to give away my expertise they weren’t interested. I always tried to give kids a break but the parents would look for the high dollar person. I am excellent at what I do and would love to volunteer more of my time and knowledge now that I am retired.
As you said ” you can lead a horse to water”
Pamela, no problem 😉 I do not take Tylenol and have been on some form or another of tumeric/curry for a long time. Lately I have been getting good results from Resveratrol along with a product called Mega Flex by Designing Health. I think each person has to find out what works for them. I apparently cannot tolerate a lot of the natural supplements or chemicals that others can so it becomes trial by error.
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By: Raji on October 29, 2009
at 4:47 AM
Ok gang, I’m pissed to a fare-thee-well. There’s big trouble in Paradise! Here’s a Hawaiian rant but it’s probably not too uncommon throughout the country.
We all know we are living with a struggling economy. Hawaii is no exception. Our entire economic life-blood is tourism. It is expensive to even get here by plane or ship so visitors are not coming for vacations or conventions in the numbers we are used to. Naturally, tax revenues are way down and the state is having a tough time with the budget.
We have a Republican governor, Linda Lingle. She is relatively innocuous, certainly not as obnoxious as Sarah Palin or a Michele Bachman but she does toe the Republican ideological party line.
We have a primarily Democratic Legislature. Of course, they don’t see eye-to-eye with the governor very well. Hawaii is a small state so the jobs of the legislators are only part-time. They did manage to vote themselves a 37% salary increase in June though.
I don’t fully understand all the details, which would be way too lengthy to go into here anyway. The upshot is that it was decided to ‘furlough’ state and county employees on Fridays without pay to save ‘the taxpayers’ money’. This applied to public school teachers as well. Which means the kids will not be in school on Fridays for SEVENTEEN WEEKS this school year. That reduces the number of school days from 180 to 163, now the lowest number in the country. The achievement test scores of Hawaiian public school are already in the bottom tier of the nation as it is.
You can just imagine the justified outrage going on out here. This is not counting the working parents who have to scramble to find someone to look after their kids on Fridays now. There is talk of calling a special session of the legislature to address the problem, possibly raiding the hurricane fund or the rainy-day fund or raise taxes to come up with the money for the schools. The governor is the only one with the authority to call a special session unless a certain number of the senators sign on to override the governor’s decision NOT to call a special session. So you can see, it’s a huge mess.
Here’s the kicker. You won’t believe it but I saw and heard her on TV with my own eyes and ears. Governor Lingle said the solution is a State Constitutional Amendment to give the governor the power to hire and fire the School Superintendent.
That’ll fix it and get the kids and teachers back in the classrooms by next Friday.
The dumbing down of America continues.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 29, 2009
at 1:15 AM
Good to see you Poolman and yes, you and I do have that and more in common. I’m fine, now. Have you read “The Power of Now” by Eckhart Tolle (? sp)? Krista Tippett of Speaking of Faith was interviewing him 2 Sundays ago and so I have been rereading this book, which has some powerful points for letting go of whatever we find ourselves stuck in. Good to have techniques when the muck gets thick.
I give away a lot too, as I know how folks are struggling in this economy. I make a living and I’m happy doing what I do and I never turn anyone away. Maybe one day I’ll retire and just travel the country volunteering what I do…. a have hands will travel van!!! That’s a life I could live with.
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By: Pamela Δ on October 28, 2009
at 7:31 PM
Pamela Δ, don’t stress over it. I am continually trying to share my areas of expertise and knowledge with others. Some of us are that way – here to help others and share. No monetary motivation for it, just a desire to help. Some can’t understand that.
As the old saying goes: “you can lead a horse to water…”
Some will appreciate the advice, some will ignore it, others will assume you have an angle. I often end up giving away more than I should, but that is just me.
There is an interesting observation that I have noted over the years. The people that I charge the most for my services actually are the most satisfied. When I give it away, I get the most grief. Just an interesting observation, no real point.
I sure hope Helen and Margaret and Matthew were not visited by those rumored black helicopters. They may be on Cheney’s sh*t list.
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By: Poolman on October 28, 2009
at 7:09 PM
Raji, I evidently can’t help myself…. I apologize as I did say that I wasn’t going to offer up any more remedies unless someone requested them and you did not. Please forgive me and understand that it is partly being raised a Southern girl and then its something a bit more but I can’t seem to not offer up things I believe will help. It’s a bad habit and I will try to get some control over it.
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By: Pamela Δ on October 28, 2009
at 6:50 PM
Got it, Raji…. Arnica is great and also hypericum for the nerve damage! So many wonders in homeopathic medicine. I do hear what you’re saying, its just that when people purposely mislead, it burns me…….. Have you tried Curcamin for the hip pain? Works way better than Tylenol and is so much better than safe, its’ actually good for the liver, and the rest of the body.
I work closely with doctors as well and truly appreciate what they bring to the table as they appreciate what I bring.
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By: Pamela Δ on October 28, 2009
at 6:43 PM
Pamela, don’t take this wrong but please do not get your “panties in a wad” when others attack alternative medicine. You are apparently well educated and are expressing the importance of researching practitioners of alternative medicine.
We should all also research the main stream practitioners of western medicine. Too many doctors today do nothing but test and do not look at the person as a whole. When did you last have a doctor who actually touched you except for your Ob-gyn?
It is nothing but test, test or do more testing! No wonder we are all looking for alternatives.
I have been involved in the medical world for more years than I wish to count. However, as I aged I did not want to end up like my geriatric friends who spend their life going from Doctor to Doctor swallowing numerous amounts of medicine so I reached out to complementary/alternative and yes there is a place for them in your health.
I have surrounded myself with what I consider my health care providers and it includes both and they refer to each other. For example, recently my dentist pulled numerous teeth and told me to take arnica on the hour. Two hours later, no pain and no bleeding with only .2 cc. of lidocaine (Not 2 cc’s but .2)
I am now dealing with advance arthritis in my hip and back. I am seeing a therapist who practices zero balancing, trigger point therapy, etc. but who also works with a medical professional. We are making progress without surgery or steroids. Yes, pain medication or steroids might have made this process a little more pleasant but I didn’t want the chemicals in my body.
Every one has to make their own decision about their health.
If I fall off the horse and break my hip, am I going to take a dose of arnica? Heck no! I’m going to pray 911 gets there soon. My goal is to keep the path ways open in my body so Mother Nature can heal as the body was intended to do.
There is no one right way and it is up to each of us to be in charge of our health.
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By: Raji on October 28, 2009
at 6:26 PM
kitkat: you may email me at acudocpam@gmail.com. I know what you mean about learning at the feet of the Masters. I have learned much from the folks here and regardless of this bit of annoyance with jsri, I am most appreciative of his and other folks perspectives at least in the political arena.
I choose to not listen to tv news and sometimes get busy in the rest of my life and when i need a place to catch up on the important happenings in our world, I’ve gotten the jump start here at this sight, not to mention finding the inspiring and powerful voices of sanity much needed in these sometimes insane times.
Wishing you and your sister lasting health.
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By: Pamela Δ on October 28, 2009
at 6:13 PM
Pamela,
I understand. I would like to email you. Can I have your website?
Know though, that most of us here on this site love the helpful suggestions and understand they are meant as a possible avenue to alternative care. I certainly believe that most of us are smart enough to consult with our doctors if we have health questions. Particularly if we are already on other medications.
Again, Thank you
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By: MiKat on October 28, 2009
at 4:24 PM
Δ¥ Tine, Claire and Anon,
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,
I will definitely be giving Ms. Sutton a call.
I am so in love with Helen, Margaret and all of you “regulars” with your chitchat, helpful advice and suggestions. I am always here with you, just quietly eating my pie and learning at the feet of the Masters.
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By: MiKat on October 28, 2009
at 3:36 PM
Tine, I love you!!! Thank you for stepping up and offering kitkat what sounds like a wonderful practitioner. and kitkat, Bastyr is one of four (that I know of) excellent schools in the US for studying both naturopathy and acupuncture. So, I think you can trust her education and skill level and well, anyone who is friends with Tine has to be pretty ‘tuff stuff’…
And, I gotta be honest folks, after the attacks on my character more than a month ago at the beginning of this blog by no ones puppet and now here again at what we all hope is the end of this particular thread, I’m more than a bit reluctant to make suggestions for or to anyone.
Though kitkat your sister is more than welcome to email me with questions and I will do my best to help her and no jsri, I’m not looking to make money here. See, what I mean about how snitty people can be?
jsri, you have really pissed me off with your slander and lies…… yes, that is indeed what you are doing, lying about Zicam and what products they have available. You are one piece of work and a liar to boot. Pee off and get some honesty about you.
OK, I suppose I’m done venting! Forgive me please and know that it just annoys the heck out of me when people mislead people in this arena cause I swear on my life that everything I have mentioned to you folks, and lately and from now on, only when asked, is truly safe and tested and effective.
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By: Pamela Δ on October 28, 2009
at 3:25 PM
Helen & Margaret, you must have something to say about this, please?
Lieberman: Take Public Option Off The Table, Come Back To It In Four Years
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/liebs-take-public-option-off-the-table-come-back-to-it-in-four-years.php?ref=fpa
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 28, 2009
at 2:46 PM
Thanks Anonymous.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 28, 2009
at 1:56 PM
Oscilloccinum
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/970217/archive_006221.htm
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By: Anonymous on October 28, 2009
at 1:14 PM
Tine,
I totally agree with you. I firmly believe that the woman hacking and coughing behind me on the train 2 1/2 weeks ago is the one that gave me H1N1. I wonder how many other people on their way to work that day also got sick. Makes me soooo mad, as I kept thinking I should move away from her, but didn’t want to stand all the way in to town. Silly me. I was lucky — I had understanding employers and was able to stay home the last two weeks and just ran in one day last week to get homework/tests to grade. Doctor told me I was contagious for at LEAST a week (fever lasted about 8 days, and needed 24 hours after the fever to stop being contagious).
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By: kitkatΔ on October 28, 2009
at 12:55 PM
Just put Oscilloccinum on tomorrow’s shopping list. According to their website, the drug is regulated by FDA and it is available at numerous stores in my area.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 28, 2009
at 12:50 PM
I would feel just terrible if I gave the H1N1 flu to a vulerable person, like a child or a pregnant woman.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 28, 2009
at 12:39 PM
MiKat: You weren’t asking me, but I can’t help myself. Hope you will forgive my intrusion….
I happen to know of a wonderful ND/acupuncturist in Seattle. She is my oldest friend…we’ve known each other since I was 3 and she was 2. 🙂
Her name is Julie Sutton, and she practices at Belltown Spine & Wellness. http://www.belltownchiro.com/custom_content/8129_julie_sutton_nd_lac.html
Julie is a well-trained professional: 2 BSs from the University of Minnesota (psychology & biology) and a 4-year ND (naturopathic doctor) degree from Bastyr University.
In addition, I happen to know from 38 yrs. of experience that she’s a top-notch human being. 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 28, 2009
at 8:57 AM
Oscillococcinum?? I give up! LOL
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By: Claire on October 28, 2009
at 8:52 AM
LOL, I STILL mispelled it!
Oscillocccinum!
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By: Claire on October 28, 2009
at 8:51 AM
Oscillicoccinum is a homeopathic medicine used to treat flu symptoms. Works best when you use it at the first sign of flu, it comes in small vials of sweet “sprinkles” that you dissolve in your mouth every 4-6 hours I believe. You can find out more at oscillo.com. It is now sold in regular drugstores.
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By: Claire on October 28, 2009
at 8:50 AM
Tine, I remember back in the 80’s when I was working in a hair salon and a woman came in to get her hair done. She was too sick to go to work, but thought getting her hair done would make her feel better. She almost fainted when she was under the dryer. She gave the WHOLE salon the flu! She singlehandedly wiped out the whole staff. Talk about thoughtless…
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By: Claire on October 28, 2009
at 8:43 AM
Pamela,
I am VERY insterested in finding information on natural medicines, an ND and a good acupuncturist. Can you please recommend some web sites. I am in Seattle. I would love to see your website, but your name is not highlighted, can you give your site address? What is Oscillicccinum? (sp). I have chronic IBS and I have a sister who has IBS, Fibromalgia as well as a multitude of other health issues. She will ONLY receive medical care in Thailand. Unfortunately, she can only afford to go see her Doctors in Thailand once a year. She has had several operations, but never seems to get better. She will not disclose to any of us just what IS wrong according to her doctors, but she is on some SERIOUS pain medication that would put a full grown bull out like a light (I am not kidding, I have seen the dose and amount she takes) I am so worried about her and would love to find an ND here that she might visit. Any help you could offer would be much appreciated.
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By: MiKat on October 28, 2009
at 8:42 AM
Oops, error up there. That should read ” — and making the whole office sick — “
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 28, 2009
at 8:26 AM
People who go to work when they’re obviously ill *really* irritate me. I know some people do it because they have draconian policies at work or other difficult issues…but there is rarely (if ever) a circumstance in which working while ill — and giving the whole office is a constructive idea. It’s DEstructive. Don’t do it, I beg you!
I work from home now, but when I was managing an editorial department, I made it abundantly clear that I didn’t want any barfing, hacking, sneezing, rashy, or otherwise contagious/ill employees around. If someone came in ill, I sent them home and insisted that the HR folks cut them some slack if they didn’t have any sick days left. If they were well enough to work from home, I encouraged that.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 28, 2009
at 8:23 AM
Okay, enough already!
I agree with NOP about preparing for the flu season, unfortunately, here in ATL, there are NO seasonal flu shots to be found! So I guess I will stock up on Oscillicccinum (SP??) before that’s all gone, too. I do have the hand soap, hand sanitizer, lots of soup, tissues and anti-bacterial wipes at the ready. And NOP made another very good point, don’t be a martyr and go to work if you have the flu!! My boss did that one year, gave it to me TWICE!
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By: Claire on October 28, 2009
at 7:56 AM
good morning, all!
Auntie Jean, yes I do work with other health professionals quite frequently and have great respect for what they bring to the table. Two of my herbal formulas (one for asthma and one for insomnia) have been involved in medical studiies, both most successfully. I have medical doctors refer to me, come see me as patients and respect the work I do as I do them. My original intention was to become an ND, MD (Naturopathic MD) but when I experienced the complete recovery from my ulcerative colitis after I can’t tell you the kind of pain and disability I had been operating with for two years straight, I decided to go to acupuncture school.
Quick note here folks, please make sure your ND provider has indeed gone to a reputable medical school because in many states, including Georgia, anyone age 18 and above can call themselves an ND, as there are no laws governing them in Ga. There are several excellent NDs that are truly medical professionals but there are also at least a hundred others in the state that have no licensing and no one governing what they’re doing and I see much need for the laws to change in this regard.
I had already done my BS in a premed program and so then did four more years in Chinese medicine, both acupuncture and Chinese herbology (which goes far beyond Western herbology in its ability to effectively treat various syndromes). My school was founded by an amazing man, a 37th generation acupuncturist and his two sons, 38th generation acupuncturists and I bless them every day for what they’ve brought to my life.
I have great respect for traditional medicine but I have no respect for people who don’t tell the truth and who distrust herbs and natural remedies just because they are natural. Believe me when I tell you that the pharmaceutical industry has great respect for natural medicine and they just want to figure out how to patent it so they can control it and make it profitable for them.
jsri isn’t being honest when he discounts zicam and claims, as he did on Oct 26, 3:45 pm that
“I am a scientist by training, a skeptic by inclination and operate with a refined moral sensibility. So when I see a product or device that has been determined to be dangerous or ineffective and see it being promoted or recommended on the Internet or elsewhere, I feel that I have a moral responsibility to point that out.”
How is he being dishonest? Zicam does currently have 17 products, including cold and flu products that have been deemed safe and effective and they are available to the public, though he infers they have all been pulled. He is either purposely lying or he has lost the ability to do any meaningful fact checking.
He has been attacking from the beginning of this particular thread and I have bent over backwards to accomodate his prejudice and fear mongering and you know what? Enough.
People do need to know that they have alternatives to drugs, especially for these most common of ailments. And I do have respect for drugs in their proper place. And yes, there’s a lot of bogus and even dangerous ‘natural’ products out there and you do want to use your best judgement and call on a trained health professional when in doubt, but dammit, some of its just common sense.
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By: Pamela Δ on October 28, 2009
at 6:55 AM
Actually, I think he’s missing his rudder.
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By: judith on October 28, 2009
at 6:21 AM
Joe Lieberman is a showboat missing the paddle wheel.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 28, 2009
at 5:47 AM
Hi gang,
I know we are all concerned about Margaret and Helen. We do have to remember though that they are both, ahem, “mature” with, ahem, “mature” spouses and extended families.
Being in somewhat the same boat, it is easy for me to understand that there can be a new minor crisis on the hour, every hour demanding their attention. Let’s just hope that’s all it is and they will return as soon as they possibly can.
In the meantime, I think we owe it to them and have a responsibility to keep the Republicans/Conservatives feet to the fire so President Obama can do his job. Can you believe Lieberman and his stance on the Health Care issue? What an ego! It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the state he represents has the highest concentration of insurance companies in the country, would it?
Way back in 1950, the great historian Will Durant wrote something so profound that I committed it to memory. This is the quote:
“The legacy [of history] included evil as well as good. We have not fully recovered from the Dark Ages; the insecurity that excites greed, the fear that fosters cruelty, the poverty that breeds filth and ignorance, the filth that generates disease, the ignorance that begets credulity, superstition, occultism – these still survive amongst us; and the dogmatism that festers into intolerance and Inquisitions only awaits opportunity of permission to oppress, kill, ravage and destroy.”
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 28, 2009
at 12:15 AM
I’m beginning to think Margaret and Helen are a fraud. I really hope they are who they say they are. I doubt this is being perpetrated by college kids because whoever is doing the writing knows her/his facts far beyond newspapers and on-line sources. I’ve lived through what this writer is talking about.
If things are not okay, her “nephew” would have told us by now.
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By: VA in CA on October 27, 2009
at 11:53 PM
Dear Helen,
We sure hope you’re okay, we miss reading your blogs, so full of good common sense and wit. Here’s wishing you and Margaret a very Happy Halloween!
Take care,
Clyde and Linda
Poteet, Texas
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By: Clyde and Linda on October 27, 2009
at 8:28 PM
Everyone here who is sick has my sympathy, a speedy recovery to all of you, but it appears the flu season this year is going to be very lengthy. At the moment H1N1 is making a round, next the seasonal flu is going to make its rounds, then a second and maybe a third go-round of H1N1. Why make ourselves sick arguing alternative medicine vs. conventional treatment? Although it is an excellent idea to clear any over the counter product with your pharmacist to prevent possible adverse drug interactions. If natural health remedies are your thing lay in a supply now, as for me, I have already received a seasonal flu shot, and I plan to take a H1N1 vaccination as soon as it is available for people born prior to 1950. Meanwhile, I am washing my hands a lot, sanitizing gym equipment before and after my workout, I have my doctor’s phone number on speed dial (just in case I need a prescription for Tamiflu), and I have stocked the cupboards with soups, tissues, cough syrup, etc. If I get sick this year, I plan to remain homebound for the duration I certainly don’t want to expose anyone else.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 27, 2009
at 7:46 PM
There is a consensus here. I do not believe there has ever been this length of time between posts since I have been reading this blog. The last time that happened, Mathew did inform us about Helen being under the weather. Although I am worried, I am just hoping that no news is good news and maybe, Helen might be on vacation soaking up the sun in Hawaii, maybe?
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By: Easier on October 27, 2009
at 6:44 PM
Hi everyone! Has anyone heard from Matthew or Helen & Margaret? It’s been quite some time with no news and I’m getting concerned, as I’m sure the other “regular” guests are.
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By: Cindi on October 27, 2009
at 6:05 PM
jsri: I am going to assume that you are truly well intentioned here and just passionate about something that pushes your buttons and not being a jerk just to be a jerk.
Let’s be clear about some things up front. One, I was asked for advise and i gave it willingly and freely without trying direct anyone back to me for my financial gain, though you imply that is what I am doing in my message to kitkat.
You also try to insult me for my referring her to zicam for prevention of colds and flus, when there are several zicam products curently available for flu and cold relief that have nothing to do with the two “voluntarily pulled” zicam products.
You completely dishonestly imply that all zicam products are dangerous and off the market though zicam has seventeen of their products still available to the public in drug stores and all studies, available through zicam.com ‘s site indicate they’ve more than done their due diligence to prove product safety.
You provide your information more in the style of Faux pundits, with little bits of possible truths muddied by fear tactics and slander directed both at me and at zicam’s mother company, Matrix.
I have sited several studies that do show that long term loss of smell as well as short term loss of smell are most common with colds, flus, sinus infections and even zinc deficiency, and I have pulled this information from main stream medicine sites.
This is another interesting little tidbit coming from a medical report done by independent medical analysts:
“The three most common causes of anosmia (loss of smell) are the common cold, sinusitis, and head trauma. Aging is a major factor as well. Furthermore, incidence rate of anosmia for Zicam users is lower than the incidence rate in the general population”
and if you were truly interested in discovery instead of using slanted and biased information, I would be much more interested in what you have to say.
cmac: I completely understand and support your seeking medical and/or natural treatments, as you deem appropriate. My responses are being taken out of context as I was originally asked for advise, by kitkat, for only natural remedies to help her recover from the flu.
jsri slammed me and “alternative” remedies and is making me out to be some sort of profit motivated charlatan while he ignores the facts that there are several zicam products that have been deemed more than safe for use against colds and flu.
These other two products that Matrix voluntarily pulled likely have little to do with peoples loss of smell when you consider the facts and statistics, but that’s a mute point here.
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By: Pamela on October 27, 2009
at 4:40 PM
Pamela, I mentioned the temporary nature of the loss of smell due to colds because the list you posted implied that the permanent loss of smell due to colds was less common, yet in your comment you seemed to conflate the two.
Zicam has, in fact, been cited by the FDA as the cause of anosmia in the 130 cases observed – all of which were referred to the FDA by physicians.
I have no problem with herbal treatments, but I’m not going to rule out medical treatments. It seems to me that neither system works all the time, and that it’s best to keep an open mind and to stay informed.
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By: cmac on October 27, 2009
at 1:57 PM
By: Pamela on October 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM
You noted: – “You are being quite biased and prejudiced in your view, not to mention attacking. “ (Correct! Based on personal experience.). “One would think you were a pharmaceutical rep or have your retirement wrapped up in big pharma stocks.” (Wrong and wrong! Not even in the ballpark.).
How about education? University level. Specialty: Undergraduate (PreMed) and health care students. Perhaps even some who later became herbalists. Also experienced in University and College administration.
Retired 18 years. Have several current volunteer activities – a way of giving back to the community as a partial repayment for a life saving medical procedure ten years ago.
When one retires, medical issues tend to control one’s way of life. If you haven’t had the experience, you will. But back on the mid-90’s when the Internet went mainstream, new vistas were opened for the transfer of information from person to person and medical info was a prime example. Long before blogging became a way of life, people with special interests would set up websites where others with similar interests could exchange information. This was especially true concerning medical issues and many of the early sites were global. To help matters, search engines (pre-Google) could now be used to search medical data bases for info. But it was not too long before these special interest websites and the search engines became cluttered with glowing reports of non-convential treatments, out of the medical mainstream. These reports were always linked to further sites where one would find more glowing reports plus price schedules and order blanks. Needless to say, I found this to be annoying and basically unhelpful because many of the products being promoted had never been scientifically tested for effectiveness, for content, or for strength of supposed active ingredients. It was a free-for-all then and remains a free-for-all today.
So when I see something similar happening on H&E’s website, which is ostensibly for the exchange of political pot shots, I get testy.
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By: jsri on October 27, 2009
at 12:36 PM
I love everything about you two, especially your opinions and your writing! Where are you? I am worried. We haven’t heard from you in a few weeks and I am getting concerned. Aren’t you going to weigh in on whether Fox is a news outlet or not? I am hoping you are just taking a breather. My life would be lacking something terrific without you. Diane Tucker
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By: hillsteadnatureblog on October 27, 2009
at 9:20 AM
Folks on the porch – could youplease lend your voices to this cause to stop the mountaintop removal in West Virginia? For more information, please go here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/27/9135/4939
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By: Greytdog on October 27, 2009
at 8:16 AM
jsri: I obviously have nothing to gain financially from promoting zicam or any other product I’ve told people about here and I would bet that you nor any other scientist, doctor or health provider know every drug or over the counter that has been pulled for whatever reasons they are pulled. You are being quite biased and prejudiced in your view, not to mention attacking. One would think you were a pharmaceutical rep or have your retirement wrapped up in big pharma stocks.
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By: Pamela on October 26, 2009
at 9:28 PM
First Nanna Jo…Then Granny…..Now Margaret and Helen.
Loving an old person only leads to sorrow and pain.
Never again!!
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By: Tammy Faye on October 26, 2009
at 9:05 PM
Margaret & Helen, I have only just found you and I am concerned that you haven’t posted for so long. Are you okay? We’d like to hear from you soon.
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By: Cheryle on October 26, 2009
at 8:57 PM
JRSI and Pamela, I have faith that you both mean well and that you have more in common than you do differences.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 26, 2009
at 8:46 PM
Matthew, the silence from Margaret & Helen is worrisome. Very worrisome.
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By: Greytdog on October 26, 2009
at 8:38 PM
Pamela:
I am a scientist by training, a skeptic by inclination and operate with a refined moral sensibility. So when I see a product or device that has been determined to be dangerous or ineffective and see it being promoted or recommended on the Internet or elsewhere, I feel that I have a moral responsibility to point that out. I’m not sure why you seem to have a problem with that. And I’m surprised to learn that you were promoting a product that you did not even know was under suspicion.
I have no financial incentive either to support a product or eliminate one. I can only relate my personal experiences and those of people that I trust and so far, you and I are poles apart and I don’t see much common ground for agreement or even discussion so I’m outta here. I’ve been down this road too many times before.
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By: jsri on October 26, 2009
at 3:47 PM
Pamela:
I am a scientist by training, a skeptic by inclination and operate with a refined moral sensibility. So when I see a product or device that has been determined to be dangerous or ineffective and see it being promoted or recommended on the Internet or elsewhere, I feel that I have a moral responsibility to point that out. I’m not sure why people have a problem with that. Also, I’m surprised to learn that you were promoting a product that you did not even know was under suspicion.
I have no financial incentive either to support a product or eliminate one. I can only relate my personal experiences and those of people that I trust and so far, you and I are poles apart and I don’t see much common ground for agreement or even discussion so I’m outta here. I’ve been down this road too many times before.
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By: jsri on October 26, 2009
at 3:45 PM
SAw something by BillO’Reilly on the OPOEd page of the local paper. Only read th e Heading and a couple of sentences when my digestion threatened me with the bathroom!
In it he sai that Ooooobama shoulllllllld fire Rahm Emmanuel an ddd get a new advisor. Guess wh o?? wouldn’t you know he suggested himsellf!! That is when my digestion started doing flipflops and I read n o more.
So our current troll is vacatoning in Hawaii.That is not far enough or remote enough.
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By: Grandma Katie on October 26, 2009
at 3:39 PM
We miss you, Margaret & Helen.
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By: Penny on October 26, 2009
at 11:41 AM
cmac: First off, I do hope you fully recover your olfactory rights. I am aware that a cold or flu usually is accompanied by temporary loss of smell but am also aware that, due to damage to the sinus membranes while sick with a cold or flu a person can have long lasting and even permanent loss of smell. Here’s a very interesting statement from the mayoclinic.com covering some of the causes of loss of smell and also stating that lack of zinc can cause the loss of smell on a temporary or a permanent basis.
Causes
By Mayo Clinic staff
Loss of smell due to problems with the inner lining of your nose:
Anosmia can be caused by temporary or permanent irritation, or destruction of the mucus membranes lining the inside of your nose. This can be caused by:
Acute sinusitis (sinus infection)
Hay fever
Common cold
Influenza (flu)
Nonallergic rhinitis
and they go on to say:
Your olfactory system, which provides your sense of smell, consists of receptors in the mucus lining of your nose that send information through nerves into your brain. You can lose your sense of smell if any of these are damaged or destroyed. This can happen from:
Age
Alzheimer’s disease
Brain aneurysm
Brain surgery
Brain tumor
Chemical exposures to certain insecticides or solvents
Diabetes
Hormonal disturbance
Huntington’s disease
Klinefelter syndrome (a condition where males have an extra X chromosome in most of their cells)
Kallmann’s syndrome (inability of testicles to produce sperm)
Korsakoff’s psychosis (a brain disorder caused by the lack of thiamine)
Malnutrition
Medications (nifedipine, terbinafine, others)
Multiple sclerosis
Paget’s disease of bone (a disease that results in enlarged and misshapen bones)
Parkinson’s disease
Pick’s disease (a form of dementia)
Radiation therapy
Schizophrenia
Multiple system atrophy (MSA) (a neurological disorder characterized by an excessive drop in blood pressure when standing up)
Sjogren’s syndrome (an inflammatory disease that generally causes dry mouth and eyes)
Traumatic brain injury
Zinc deficiency
Did you see that last one???? Zinc deficiency
can cause loss of smell that is temporary or permanent.
My point is that it has not been proven that zicam’s nasal swab or their spray was the causative factor and even if they were, its not cause to bash the use of zinc with colds or other natural products, particularly since zinc deficiency can cause this very condition.
Yes, I have worked with sjorgen’s syndrome in a handful of folks, mostly women and acupuncture and herbals are very helpful with it. Remember that question I originally asked kitkat about whether she needed to boost the immune response or calm it down. When the auto immune system is turning on the body, acupuncture is powerful in calming it down and restoring it to balance. It’s like when your sympathetic nervous system gets amped up and you go to bed and sleep a couple of hours and then wake with a start and can’t get back to sleep…. go see an acupuncturist and have them nourish the parasympathetic system and you’re sleeping like a cat again (was gonna say baby, but I’ve heard a few of them crying in the night and that’s not what we’re wanting here!). This balancing of the body is powerful and it works.
And I know we’re conditioned to say there are no cures but guess what, there are… I’ve seen thousands of cures with patients over the years and I want Moms with kids suffering from asthma or folks looking at taking hypertension meds or cholesterol meds for the rest of their lives to know they can be healed.
OK, enough…. Blessings to all of you.
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By: Pamela on October 26, 2009
at 11:18 AM
Hi y’all. I forgot to mention that my family always uses Oscillicoccinum when we think we are coming down w. the flu. It’s a small dose of homeopathic “sprinkles” which you let melt under your tongue, usually every 4-6 hours the first day of symptoms. Works wonders! My mom even takes a half dose when she travels.
Hope everyone is doing well.
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By: Claire on October 26, 2009
at 11:01 AM
Another Right Wing smear of Michelle Obama!
It has been exposed by THE MUDFLATS. Just the usual right wing lies and distortions – Faux style.
It was great of her to go through the facts so I do not have to waste my time.
http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/26/the-anatomy-and-dissection-of-right-wing-propagana-the-michelle-obama-edition/
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 26, 2009
at 10:50 AM
Pamela, the loss of smell from using zinc products in the nose is permanent – or at least very long-lasting. I have recovered some of mine, but not all, and I haven’t used Zicam in at least two years.
The fact that people can’t smell when they have a cold is pretty much par for the course. It’s the duration of the symptom that changes with zinc usage.
Just sayin’.
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By: cmac on October 26, 2009
at 9:23 AM
The democrats won the election and the best our troll can do is yell into the wind. Trolls and the republican party are losing their people because they have nothing positive to say. The party of NO says it all.
The more the trolls and republicans talk stupid, the fewer people who listen to them and take them seriously.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 26, 2009
at 9:18 AM
Donna, you’re right. I fed the troll for which I’m sorry and it won’t happen again.
Don’t feed the troll, don’t feed the troll, don’t feed the troll…
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By: helenandmargaretFan on October 26, 2009
at 8:17 AM
okay…..Matthew…please tell us something….if I don’t hear something soon…or get a new post from Helen, I’m going to lose it….I either need to celebrate a new post….or I need closure.
Please….an update, at least?
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By: Mary T. on October 26, 2009
at 5:41 AM
Indeed. It’s lovely because even the troll’s insults lack any modicum of originality. “Psych 101 is down the hall…” oooohhh.
I once had a nasty old inlaw who would say crap and, when people disapproved of his racism, sexism, what have you, would say “you got no sense humor.” I am grateful for the majority of people on this site who are truly humorous and who don’t find grade school insults amusing.
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By: Donna on October 26, 2009
at 5:29 AM
Good-hearted….
or
Mean-spirited…..
You are one OR the other. You can not be both.
Follow your heart.
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By: vgmanΔ on October 26, 2009
at 2:05 AM
Hello All. Hope everyone had a good weekend. I was so hoping for a new post from Helen and Margaret. But no, not yet. I pray they are well. I hope that the morning will bring a new one. Until then….
Honolulu Sally, be on the lookout for a slightly past middle age haole with a beer belly and pie stains on a new Hawaiian shirt. He will be the one with the farmer’s tan and a bell around his neck. Note also a clumbsy style with a West Texas twang. There could be cursing and gnashing of teeth in his wake. Consider yourself forewarned.
Donna, yes intent. It is all about intent. What’s in the heart? That is the determiner. Thankfully, my God sees and judges the heart. Motive and agenda. Some people should actually come with warning labels.
Speaking of warning labels… I think the Dolly LLama has the right idea regarding Rush.
Stand up to lying bullies
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By: Poolman on October 25, 2009
at 11:37 PM
Jean:
Human genetics was not my special field but I can probably handle some basic genetics. However even for a rudimentary background it could get complicated and I’m not sure H&M’s website would be the proper venue to do this. Also right now I’m sort of strung out by a new volunteer activity so It may be a while before I get back to you.
If your question is related to your question to Pamela re Sjorgen’s Syndrome, here are websites with some basic info. The first is introductory, the second has more detail
http://www.sjogrens.org/home/about-sjogrens-syndrome
http://www.medicinenet.com/sjogrens_syndrome/article.htm
In that SS seems run in families and affects women about ten times more often than men, it would seem to me on first glance that the it is a genetic condition but that control of its expression may be affected by sex hormones.
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By: jsri on October 25, 2009
at 10:19 PM
Aloha……..
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By: CraigΔ on October 25, 2009
at 9:59 PM
Hi gang and Pamela,
Pamela, are you acquainted with ‘Sjögren’s Syndrome’, a factor in loss of smell and taste with even more serious possible consequences.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 25, 2009
at 8:51 PM
Donna,
Psych class 101 and is down the hall if you can find it.
Trust your inner self Donna ..Don’t go to the light.
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By: CraigΔ on October 25, 2009
at 8:50 PM
Hey you kids enjoy yourselves..I’m off to Oahu for a few days of R&R.
Give it a rest people..you all are way too serious.
M&H will be back..just give it a rest and trust in yourselves for the moment.
High 5’s
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By: CraigΔ on October 25, 2009
at 8:45 PM
For the love of God, people, the troll went away when it wasn’t getting any attention.
Don’t try to explain why his Kwanzaa comment was racist–it doesn’t matter to it. It is simply here to try to cause offense and provoke a response, not because it genuinely gives a rip about why it is such an extraordinary pathetic jackass.
Went to a wonderful talk by a pastor the other day. She was saying that it’s not the words, it’s the intent. This came up in the context of people who, during the election, would use the President’s middle name and then, after the election feigned confusion as to why it was “ok” for him to use his name but not when they did it. It’s because they were doing it to convey disdain or disrespect for his ethnicity. And, with people like that, no matter how many times you would try to explain that it’s not the words, it’s the intention, you’d get the same crap “oh, but WHY was it wrong when I did it?”
There’s no possibility of educating someone like this. As the saying goes, you can’t fix stupid.
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By: Donna on October 25, 2009
at 8:16 PM
Hi gang, Judith, Pamela and jsri,
I’m with you on lifestyle and humor, Judith. Half the stuff I put up here at M&H is said with tongue and cheek. If we can’t laugh at ourselves and life once in a while, we are in big trouble.
I applaud you, Pamela, for your enthusiasm in your chosen profession and willingness to help. As we all know, people have the option to either accept advice of any kind or ignore it. I do hope that you routinely work in conjunction with other health care providers. We have been pleased with our internist in that he does not profess to know everything, shares records and test results with our chiropractor and vice versa. He does not hesitate a minute to call in professionals from other disciplines and specialties. I’m sure you can appreciate the years of intense study beyond a MA or MS for a doctor as he/she goes into internships and residencies, to say nothing of experience.
Most health care professionals are careful not to use the word ‘cure’ but rather talk about ‘diagnoses’ and ‘treatments’ on the basis of examination and available judicious testing. The well-informed patient is then free to either accept of reject any and all recommendations.
It has been said that Americans have the most expensive urine in the world. We are constantly bombarded with ads for vitamins, minerals and all kinds of supplements to say nothing of prescription drugs and alternative medicines. It can be a confusing world out there!
There is much to be said about the ‘Placebo Effect’ and ‘Spontaneous Remissions’ that have yet to be explained. For sure, the body is amazing in its attempts to maintain itself and/or heal itself (homeostasis) in spite of assaults from many directions.
A little personal testimonial. From 1968-74 I went back to college because I had become interested in a narrow field of Physiological Psychology. I was in a routine lab class where we were typing our blood and learning how to make slides for the microscope, etc. (I already knew my blood type is ‘A Positive’ from when my kids were born. As it turned out in my later studies, ‘A Positive’ is indicative of genetic origin.)
One of the things we were required to do was test and record our lung capacity using a canister that we blew into. Almost 40 years later, I’m sure there are much more sophisticated measuring instruments today. Anyway at the time, I was in my late 30’s by then, a smoker and we happened to be living in the smog-filled Los Angeles Basin. I thought, “Oh Gawd! I’m gonna flunk this one!”
The lab was very quiet as all we students were busy, busy with our various projects. I blew into that canister as hard as I could and the lid flew off, clattering noisily to the floor. I was quite embarrassed. The professor laughed and said, “Where were you born? In the Andes?”
Not quite, but close. I was born and lived at 9,000 feet elevation for the first three years of my life and the next fifteen at well over a mile high in pristine, unpolluted mountain air. Apparently, that background has given me a set of lungs that won’t quit!
Whenever I have given my family and genealogical medical history, a doctor starts scratching his head. It’s that far off the Bell Curve! There were three separate cases of rather rare cancers in my immediate family, two of them invariably fatal. At age 80, I have always been cancer free, having participated in a National long-term cancer study for a number of years. Also, as of four months ago, my blood chemistry is that of a 16-year-old for cholesterol, tri-glycerides, blood sugar, etc. Go figure.
My dad was obviously ‘heterozygous’; my mother, ‘homozygous’ with some interesting implications and other environmental factors thrown in the mix to muddy the waters.
Here’s where you come in, jsri. I wish you would jump in and explain those terms better than I can. Also, while you are at it, how about ‘Genetic Profiling’ that could be on the horizon to impact future employment discrimination and another excuse for insurance companies to deny coverage on the basis of ‘pre-existing conditions’ – before birth!!!
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 25, 2009
at 8:14 PM
Pamela, count me as another who enjoys reading your posts about alternative therapies. I’m not anti-Western medicine at all, but my first choice is always to try a natural remedy first. I have friends who turn to pills for any and every little thing and guess what? They GET any and every thing that comes along. It’s like their immune system has decided to just sit back and let chemicals do all the work.
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By: Imaginista on October 25, 2009
at 8:14 PM
I really thought Kwanzaa..was a real celebration of Africans?
Their Christmas so to speak..Why should we judge what or who celebrates whatever?
Come in Helen..Come In Helen
Over….
I think she just overflew Howland Island..
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By: CraigΔ on October 25, 2009
at 7:44 PM
I haven’t been here in a while so just catching up. interesting posts, i must say. but Craig, simple, deluded Craig, did you really say Kwanzaa? did you really inject something so stupid, so racist, so inapporpriate into this blog which engenders reasonable and thought-provoking discourse? Surely, there’s a Hee-Haw episode on cable somewhere that would better occupy your mental capacity. (there. how does it feel?)
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By: helenandmargaretFan on October 25, 2009
at 6:46 PM
You know what’s really funny in this whole Zicam scare? You ready for this? It seems that anosmia, the loss of smell blamed on Zicam use by 800 folks in the ten years (and over a million doses sold) Zicam has been on the market, is most often caused by the common cold and nasal congestion, the very thing these people were using Zicam to treat. This is a quote from the medicaldictionary.com …..
“Anosmia is the most common type of smelling disorder. Loss of the olfactory sense is generally caused by nasal congestion or obstruction. Temporary partial anosmia often occurs when a person has a cold, the flu, or some types of rhinitis, especially hay fever (allergic rhinitis). During these conditions, nasal mucus membranes become inflamed. Other causes for anosmia are:
Nasal polyps and other disorders that prevent air from getting to the area in the nose where the smell receptors are found. Hay fever or an allergy may cause one or more polyps to show up.
Viral upper respiratory infection.
Atrophic rhinitis. This condition causes mucus membrane to waste away. The person may experience some level of permanenOne symptom of this condition is that a person expels a foul-smelling discharge.
Hypertrophic rht anosmia. initis. Mucous membrane thickens, covering the olfactory nerve endings. If not treated, hypertrophic rhinitis can lead to permanent anosmia. This discharge could overpower other odors.
Cigarettes. Smoking aggravates the nose’s membrane and intensifys nasal polyp symptoms.
A crooked nose or a deviated septum.
When the olfactory bulbs, tracts, or central connections are destroyed. This can occur in situations such as head trauma, infections or nasal or sinus surgery.
Head injury. If both olfactory nerves are torn during a head injury, permanent anosmia results.
Medications such as antihistamines and decongestants, especially prolonged use of decongestants.”
I wonder how many of these cases were due to the cold or flu instead of the Zicam!!!!!
kitkat, lori, poolman and judith, juneaujoe and pat…. thanks for sticking up for me…. darn, I was starting to feel like every little bit of good intention was getting slapped silly.
kitkat, yes, a good assortment of friendly bacteria in the gut is essential to strong digestion and robust immune system. Many folks don’t need to supplement but if you’ve done rounds of antibiotics or even too much echinacea or colloidal silver or other strong anti bacterials or had parasites or yeast overgrowth, taking a supplemental probiotic is helpful. You can also eat more sauerkraut, miso soup, kimchee or cultured veggies, and yogurt to help rebuild your army of essential bacteria in the gut. I make a keifered coconut juice and toss it in my delicious orange ‘cream cicle’ protein shake most every morning. Even kids love it and have no idea its good for them too. Some things its better not to tell kids about and healthy for them falls into that category.
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By: Pamela on October 25, 2009
at 4:35 PM
Alternative and Preventative Health are great topics. Lots of material there. I don’t necessarily subscribe to every theory and tend to go with a ‘moderation in all things’ approach, but more information is always better than less, as long as the information is confirmed through reliable sources.
My family medical history is almost nothing but lifestyle diseases, so I’ve got lots of examples of what not to do. Don’t always abide by them….(God, I hate to exercise. But I do know better). We seem to be a long-lived bunch in the face of massive bodily abuse, so as long as I live right and ride Beag the motorcycle carefully, I should be immortal.
My personal bugaboo is (are?) nutritionists. I’ve never met one with a sense of humor. Since humor is large in my personal set of coping mechanisms, I always get into major trouble. Especially since they seem to keep saying things like “But that’s artificial oxygen”. Really heard that once. Ok, it’s an atom. It is what it is.
DH has type 2 diabetes. Shortly after diagnosis, we were still doing the tests and meetings to determine which type, how bad and what to do about it. One of his problems is his liver. Grossly oversimplified – your liver, among many other functions, can produce glucose when it determines that your blood sugar has dropped way too low. Good function, helps prevent seizures until you can get to some food. But if the set point is too high, it cranks out glucose when you don’t need it. His appears to be set at around 200. This is a problem.
We were in a group meeting with other patients, 2 doctors and one nutritionist. At one point, I turned to him and said “So, what we need to do is wipe out some of your liver. What do you think, honey – surgery or Jack Daniels?” The doctors took this in the spirit it was intended. The nutritionist leapt to her feet and commenced to shouting at me that I had Got It All Wrong. Took a while to calm down, too, and never did quite forgive me. Sheesh.
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By: judith on October 25, 2009
at 3:06 PM
Pamela, I also appreciate your help (esp. since I requested it 🙂 ). Interestingly enough, several of the items you recommended were discussed in my most recent Prevention magazine. They appear to be found in things like oranges and cranberries. One thing you didn’t mention was probiotics. Much of my research is stating that taking probiotics also boosts the immune system.
Also, all the talk the other day about roasted root veggies led me to pick up several types at the store and roast them for dinner last night. Delish!
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By: kitkatΔ on October 25, 2009
at 9:42 AM
Pamela,
Alternative Health is a good topic.
Since the 60s chemicals have taken over our world. Asthma, allergies, autism and behavior issues have increased dramatically.
I have seen how diet and alternate means have improved the life style of people. Keep up the posts.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 25, 2009
at 9:17 AM
Pamela, I agree with Lori. I appreciate all your posts.
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By: Pat Δ on October 25, 2009
at 8:58 AM
Pamela, count me as one of the ones who enjoys reading about alternative healing/medicines. As with everything in life a person should seek as much information about the subject before making up their mind, especially when it comes to their health. However learning and listening about “new” things never harms us does it? Knowledge is a good thing… Thanks for sharing yours with us.
Go Steelers! namaste all.. 😉
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By: lori on October 25, 2009
at 6:14 AM
Not all zicam products have been recalled. The oral products are still available. The ones in question are the nasal gels/sprays containing zinc. The theory is that in some people, the spray came in contact with the olfactory nerve and caused damage. I used zicam for years with no adverse effects, but I made sure not to inhale it farther up in my nose. The package directions clearly stated that one should not inhale the product deeply, and the one time I did, it landed on my very raw, sore throat and burned like mad. I learned my lesson.
http://www.zicam.com/products
I miss Margaret and Helen.
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By: TBNTJudy on October 25, 2009
at 6:03 AM
Pamela, some of us appreciate your information and knowledge. I know natural remedies are not always the best fit, but they are much easier on our systems. I would prefer to give the natural remedy a chance first before I opted for the synthetic. And you are correct to say that big pharma mimics nature when it seeks effective cures. But it cannot patent nature, so it doesn’t have the control over the product and cannot profit as greatly. Therefore the synthetic.
Truly though, there is a lot of misinformation and some real quacks out there. The FDA doesn’t help and a lot of “modern” science has ignored traditional and cultural knowledge.
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By: Poolman on October 24, 2009
at 11:48 PM
jsri: You seem to be getting a bit testy there. I wasn’t giving you any advise, presumptious or otherwise, I was asked for some natural, safe substances by kitkat to assist her in her recovery from the flu…. and gave her several suggestions all of which you seemed to bash when you told her she really shouldn’t seek out medical advise over the internet, especially if using “alternative” substances as if they are inherently unsafe. Yes, the Zicam was not appropriate, as I wasn’t aware the company pulled it from the stores, however that shouldn’t detract from the other suggestions given.
As I have my Masters degree in complementary medicine and Chinese herbology, I do have some knowledge of safe, health enhancing treatments for many health issues. It is good to know that when I need a statistic to use (as you did in your statement ”because if we closed all the hospitals and clinics and fired all the MD’s and turned over our medical needs to purveyors of herbs and spices, these numbers (the accurate statistical number of more than 250,000 deaths per year in the US from prescription drugs) would increase ten fold.” I can pull that statistic right out of my hat. Really, ten fold… not twenty, not fifteen, but ten fold…. hmmmm…. where do you get your facts?
Fact is, Big Pharma looks to the herbal world to see what’s working so they can try to mimic its chemical structure and patent it and charge hundreds times more for it than necessary.
Fact is, herbal formulas are used in the hospitals in China alongside pharmaceuticals and we know every aspect of their chemical composition and which drugs they can and can not be used with as well as how to combine them in herbal formulas of fifteen or more herbs to synergistically balance them to treat the whole person.
Fact is, there are thousands of people with a little bit of knowledge of what they’re hawking giving out advise to folks and often doing little good and sometimes harm but that is not a reflection on the natural remedies just the ignorance of folks with what I call a dangerous/little amount of knowledge.
And since I listened to your history, let me tell you a bit of mine. Back in 1994 I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis, a very painful and chronic ulcerative condition in the colon. My medical doctor recommended removing the several feet of intestines involved which I didn’t find appealing. I went to a doctor of Chinese medicine and started taking an herbal formula and receiving acupuncture treatments and within two weeks was pain free for the first time in 2 years and no longer had the copious amounts of blood and mucus in my stools. The insomnia I had suffered with since I was a little girl was gone, my headaches were gone and the tendonitis I had suffered with for several years hasn’t bothered me in the fifteen years since my acupuncture treatments. As I had been studying and using Western herbal medicine for many years with only partial and limited success, I decided Chinese medicine was something I wanted to study and it has completely changed my life and health as it has my patients.
Can Chinese medicine cure everything, no. But it can make amazing and what are perceived as miraculous changes in peoples health. It does cure asthma, allergies, digestive issues, ibs, acid reflux, chronic and debilitating pains, insomnia, anxiety, hypertension, migraines and etc, etc, etc.
It seems that you and everyone in your circle has had the misfortune of getting advise from those with the dangerous little bits of knowledge. That shouldn’t make you bash the medicine but rather seek out more knowledgeable people to work with.
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By: Pamela on October 24, 2009
at 11:10 PM
To be trashed by O’reilly is a compliment.
Grayson is very impressive!
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 24, 2009
at 5:43 PM
I read that O’Reilly and Sally Quinn were trashing Rep. Alan Grayson on the Factor. Please, people, before you jump on that train, read the guy’s bio. Pretty impressive guy, plus he doesn’t seem to be phased by the faux machine.
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By: Hallie on October 24, 2009
at 2:44 PM
This is a musical which is amazing! Billionaires for wealthcare punked the Insurance Industry convention.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/billionaires-wealthcare-crash-ahip-ev
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 24, 2009
at 2:43 PM
Welcome to the porch, Pastor Dan. 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 24, 2009
at 12:59 PM
What’s not to like?
The Obama Family Portrait
and a bonus:
First Lady Michelle Obama
10 @ 10 with Jay Leno
8) ~ Δ
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 24, 2009
at 10:56 AM
oopssorry. Neglected to proof read previous post. Right hand improving but not very reliable at times. Besides right hand is the scroll past the troll hand and it gets tired!
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By: Grandma Katie on October 24, 2009
at 10:15 AM
JuneauJoe – glad to see your posts.
Matthew -please post something so we know Helen is okay. WE are worriied.
It’s pbvious the troll doesn’t know m any 80+year olllds. There are a looof us around. WE had good teachers, learned our lessons well and still use good grammar. Also we learned manners, politeness,something which seems to be miiiissing in your makeup.
Hope Helen comes back soon. My computer is having trouble loading all the posts!!
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By: Grandma Katie on October 24, 2009
at 10:11 AM
It looks like you have a great site here. I will be checking back often. Once again, Great website, and great writing.
God Bless, Pastor Dan
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By: Pastor Dan on October 24, 2009
at 9:59 AM
We are all battling the flu. which means every room has a Kleenex box, sometime two kleenex boxes. And yesterday after a hearty meal of venison meat, my greyhound celebrated by plucking every tissue out of the living room box and decorating the house with them. He was very pleased with himself.
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By: Greytdog on October 24, 2009
at 7:41 AM
President Obama’s
Weekly Address 10/24/09
Working with
Small Business
to Drive Recovery
PEACE ~ Δ
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 24, 2009
at 7:38 AM
squirrels, part 3
can’t get this to stick,
I believe, and would like confirmation if others find this to be true, that rodents are on the ascendancy. I’ve always liked the idea of cats being the next dominant species when we finally succeed in making the earth totally uninhabitable by any other than cockroaches, starlings and rodents. I don’t believe dogs are independent enough to take over our place. I certainly hope it’s not the rodents who become supreme.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ π on October 24, 2009
at 6:20 AM
Poolman, thanks for the squirrels. My son and a friend actually DID fish for squirrels..he was 5 or 6, we had gone camping in the Adirondacks late June, it was cold and rainy, we had taken fishing gear for the kids. The place was overrun with baby animals, the mother duck and babies swam by each campsite on the lake to ask for handouts, and the baby squirrels were acting like kids, running around. My son invented the game (no hook, bread tied to the line) The squirrels hung on and were picked up. The kids might have gotten tired of the game before the squirrels.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ π on October 24, 2009
at 6:00 AM
testing because my computer is acting out.
Delurker Girl Δ, I was going to post that I use mayo but thought people would think it was too weird. Thank you for posting that idea. Actually, I don’t use it on salmon but love it on bluefish (oily Long Isand native fish) with toasted, ground fennel seed in the mayo.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ π on October 24, 2009
at 5:52 AM
Tine, I make my salmon the same way, but I use mayo instead of yogurt. I will try it your way!
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 24, 2009
at 5:47 AM
Here is a new link from the Mudflats that you might enjoy:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/note.php?note_id=158980162004&ref=nf
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By: dancingfool on October 24, 2009
at 4:13 AM
Hi gang,
This is an e mail forward that just came in from a friend. We had not seen it before. I want to share it with my friends here at M&Hs.
“What would you do?….you make the choice. Don’t look for a punch line, there isn’t one. Read it anyway. My question is: Would you have made the same choice?
At a fundraising dinner for a school that serves children with learning disabilities, the father of one of the students delivered a speech that would never be forgotten by all who attended. After extolling the school and its dedicated staff, he offered a question:
‘When not interfered with by outside influences, everything nature does is done with perfection.
Yet my son, Shay, cannot learn things as other children do. He cannot understand things as other children do.
Where is the natural order of things in my son?’
The audience was stilled by the query.
The father continued. ‘I believe that when a child like Shay, who was mentally and physically disabled, comes into the world, an opportunity to realize true human nature presents itself, and it comes in the way other people treat that child.’
Then he told the following story:
Shay and I had walked past a park where some boys Shay knew were playing baseball. Shay asked, ‘Do you think they’ll let me play?’ I knew that most of the boys would not want someone like Shay on their team, but as a father I also understood that if my son were allowed to play, it would give him a much-needed sense of belonging and some confidence to be accepted by others in spite of his handicaps.
I approached one of the boys on the field and asked (not expecting much) if Shay could play. The boy looked around for guidance and said, ‘We’re losing by six runs and the game is in the eighth inning. I guess he can be on our team and we’ll try to put him in to bat in the ninth inning.’
Shay struggled over to the team’s bench and, with a broad smile, put on a team shirt. I watched with a small tear in my eye and warmth in my heart. The boys saw my joy at my son being accepted.
In the bottom of the eighth inning, Shay’s team scored a few runs but was still behind by three.
In the top of the ninth inning, Shay put on a glove and played in the right field. Even though no hits came his way, he was obviously ecstatic just to be in the game and on the field, grinning from ear to ear as I waved to him from the stands.
In the bottom of the ninth inning, Shay’s team scored again.
Now, with two outs and the bases loaded, the potential winning run was on base and Shay was scheduled to be next at bat.
At this juncture, do they let Shay bat and give away their chance to win the game?
Surprisingly, Shay was given the bat. Everyone knew that a hit was all but impossible because Shay didn’t even know how to hold the bat properly, much less connect with the ball.
However, as Shay stepped up to the
plate, the pitcher, recognizing that the other team was putting winning aside for this moment in Shay’s life, moved in a few steps to lob the ball in softly so Shay could at least make contact.
The first pitch came and Shay swung clumsily and missed.
The pitcher again took a few steps forward to toss the ball softly towards Shay.
As the pitch came in, Shay swung at the ball and hit a slow ground ball right back to the pitcher.
The game would now be over.
The pitcher picked up the soft grounder and could have easily thrown the ball to the first baseman.
Shay would have been out and that would have been the end of the game.
Instead, the pitcher overthrew the ball, right over the first baseman’s head, out of reach of all team mates.
Everyone from the stands and both teams started yelling, ‘Shay, run to first! Run to first!’
Never in his life had Shay ever run that far, but he made it to first base..
He scampered down the baseline, wide-eyed and startled.
Everyone yelled, ‘Run to second, run to second!’
Catching his breath, Shay awkwardly ran towards second, gleaming and struggling to make it to the base.
By the time Shay rounded towards second base, the right fielder had the ball, the smallest guy on their team who now had his first chance to be the hero for his team.
He could have thrown the ball to the second baseman for the tag, but he understood the pitcher’s intentions so he, too, intentionally threw the ball high and far over the third-baseman’s head.
Shay ran toward third base deliriously as the runners ahead of him circled the bases toward home.
All were screaming, ‘Shay, Shay, Shay, all the way Shay!’
Shay reached third base because the opposing shortstop ran to help him by turning him in the direction of third base, and shouted, ‘Run to third!
Shay, run to third!’
As Shay rounded third, the boys from both teams, and the spectators, were on their feet screaming, ‘Shay, run home! Run home!’
Shay ran to home, stepped on the plate, and was cheered as the hero who hit the grand slam and won the game for his team.
‘That day’, said the father softly with tears now rolling down his face, ‘the boys from both teams helped bring a piece of true love and humanity into this world’.
Shay didn’t make it to another summer. He died that winter, having never forgotten being the hero and making me so happy, and coming home and seeing his Mother tearfully embrace her little hero of the day!”
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 24, 2009
at 1:10 AM
There are a lot of ways to see squirrels.
BANZAI Squirrel Fishing
😀
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By: Poolman on October 23, 2009
at 9:58 PM
1/2 c. plain yogurt
1/4 c. any grated cheese (I like Parmesan)
2-3 tbsp. minced onion
generous dash of lemon pepper
generous dash of dried dill
1 lg. salmon filet
Preheat oven to 425F. Place salmon filet in pan. Mix first 5 ingredients and spread on top of salmon filet. Bake uncovered 10 min. per inch of filet’s thickness. Broil for 2 min.
Yum. Not only do hubby and I like it; our kids gobble it up. So it must be tasty, right?
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 23, 2009
at 9:15 PM
Thanks jsri
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By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009
at 8:48 PM
part II
Chipmunks dig tunnels every where. I filled in the space under our stone path four times. We’re currently at a standoff, I fill, they dig out. I fill with water and more sand, they dig it out. They only eat cherry tomatoes from the garden and since I lost most of the tomatoes to late blight this year anyway, they were less of a problem in the garden.(thank you Walmart and those other big box stores for bringing it to our area… it’s what caused the “Great potato famine” in Ireland).
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 23, 2009
at 8:25 PM
Craig:
I know this may come as a shock to you but I don’t always read every line of your stuff all the time, especially your racist rants. They are too offensive and have no redeeming value. But you are correct in that I totally missed the attribution to Charlie Leck of the piece you offered and, as a consequence, I assumed that what I was reading was an original submitted by you. I suppose if I had more time I would have caught my mistake so in the future I will scrutinize your writings a little more closely to make sure that whatever I am reading is your own work and not something you have pirated from someone else.
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By: jsri on October 23, 2009
at 8:24 PM
I forgot myself today, Troll will take any kind of attention bad, as well as good. I’m with you Jean, scroll baby scroll.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 8:24 PM
part II
Chipmunks dig tunnels every where. I filled in the space under our stone path four times. We’re currently at a standoff, I fill, they dig out. I fill with water and more sand, they dig it out. They only eat cherry tomatoes from the garden and since I lost most of the tomatoes to late blight this year anyway, they were less of a problem in the garden.(thank you Walmart and those other big box stores for bringing it to our area… it’s what caused the “Great potato famine” in Ireland).
I believe, and would like confirmation if others find this to be true, that rodents are on the ascendancy. I’ve always liked the idea of cats being the next dominant species when we finally succeed in making the earth totally uninhabitable by any other than cockroaches, starlings and rodents. I don’t believe dogs are independent enough to take over our place. I certainly hope it’s not the rodents who become supreme.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ π on October 23, 2009
at 8:21 PM
5th try part II will follow as soon as wordpress allows it to follow
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By: HRH Sofia EQ π on October 23, 2009
at 8:15 PM
5th try, part I
Last winter, I trapped and transported 5 flying squirrels from the space behind my upstairs bathtub. Luckily, I had made an access panel in the bottom of the linen closet to get at the pipes, so could put the traps in that way. Actually, I don’t know if it was 5 squirrels or just 4 and one repeat offender, since they’re addicted to peanut butter and would consider another go around just to get some.
This summer I trapped 5 woodchucks who had built a tunnel from my front deck, under the foundation to come out under the back screen porch. That gave them easy access to my vegetable garden where they single mindedly cleaned out my Tuscan kale and every radicchio they found. They hit the kale three times, every time it grew back. Also found woodchucks under 3 porches of landscape clients.
The voles are my biggest headache. They cleaned out a 2×8 row of Siberian irises. They severed the bottom of the entire row of pole beans, just killing the plants and getting almost nothing for the effort.
They’re also a problem with several garden clients.
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 23, 2009
at 7:59 PM
I’m proud to say that Anthony Weiner is from New York State. Actually, I had to look him up to see where exactly, turns out from Queens county. The shape of his district is pretty strange, but apparently, that is not unusual.
http://weiner.house.gov/district.aspx
A part of his district covers the Jamaica Bay Wildlife reserve. I’m pretty sure that’s a good thing for the reserve.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ π on October 23, 2009
at 7:40 PM
Hi gang,
This is ABSOLUTELY and POSITIVELY the very last time I will refer to our current troll-du-jour. Does anyone remember COLORFUL and What’s-his-name who graced us with their presence for a while?
I have my scroll finger poised and at the ready whenever I see the name again.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 23, 2009
at 7:25 PM
Hi gang and Poolman,
I’m with you about Anthony Weiner. He has turned up as a guest on a number of TV shows of late. He is articulate and makes a lot of sense to me. A rare politician who can think on his feet with CURRENT facts and figures on the tip of his tongue. Here’s a young man to keep our eyes on. A rising star!
He reminds me of the first few times I saw and heard Obama.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 23, 2009
at 7:11 PM
I just made a past dish, variation on one I’ve used for awhile, cook whole wheat pasta. whatever shape you want but I like a sprouted wheat ribbon shape from Trader Joe’s. Saute a bunch of garlic (3-4 cloves slivered) cook a couple of Italian sausages (substitute tofu if you don’t eat meat) in some olive oil, a little hot pepper flake, LOTS of chopped escarole and/or radicchio (I grow it in the garden so have the outside leaves to use for stuff other that salad) and a hand full of shell beans or other cooked beans, cook until the green stuff is tender, dump it on the pasta, add grated cheese and tonight I added a bit of Feta cheese because that’s what was in the frig. A friend varies this using eggplant and tofu. Lots of different combinations would be good. We’ve learned to like it much better than the usual red sauce.
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 23, 2009
at 7:00 PM
Ooh, salmon. I’ve got a great one. Will post it after I get the varmints in bed. 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 23, 2009
at 6:57 PM
Donna, I agree with everything you just wrote except one thing, rodents are smart LOL!! 😉
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 23, 2009
at 6:49 PM
It sounds good, tomorrow I’ll try it.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 6:46 PM
no one’s puppet
Had some great salmon, with onions, lemon
and leaks, potatoes and onions
It was so very good.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 23, 2009
at 6:16 PM
Craig:
– You are a perfect example on why Republicans lost the election last Nov.
-You are also a perfect example of why only 20% of people say they are Republican compared to 4 months ago when it was 25%
Keep chattering – You are sounding more pathetic with each post.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 23, 2009
at 6:15 PM
Anyone tried any good recipes lately?
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 6:01 PM
And a rabies carrier.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 5:59 PM
beady little eyes…oversized teeth…chattering mindlessly away…yup.
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By: Donna on October 23, 2009
at 5:27 PM
Squirrel in the attic. Yup. I can get on board with that. Annoying, noisy, hyperactive rodent with terrible manners and a pea-size brain.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 23, 2009
at 5:20 PM
much better way of putting it. A troll is defined by its propensity of writing things on blogs solely to get a reaction. Craig has conceded that’s exactly what he tries to do. However, he’s almost numbingly clumsy and dull in his efforts.
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By: Donna on October 23, 2009
at 5:13 PM
Craig, you’re called a troll for your behavior, not for the crap you claim to believe.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 23, 2009
at 5:06 PM
yeah, I thought “Black man in black face” was a wee bit racist.
In fact, as I think about it, this particular troll fits perfectly with the descriptions of the Congresswoman from Minnesota…one taco short of a combo plate. Saying crap and apparently too dumb to realize it. Having such blunt social antennae that he thinks he’s amusing when his “humor” is at an 8 year old’s level. Desperate for attention and validation and so lacking in insight that he actually thinks his comments offer anything of value. What a complete zero.
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By: Donna on October 23, 2009
at 5:02 PM
The “Squirrel in the attic”
or the bats in the belfry fellow always slams back with a racist or homophobia comment. Sick as they come.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 4:52 PM
Craig–let me try it this way since you seem to be fairly slow at comprehending things. I don’t think you “grate” on anyone because you march to a different “tune.” You grate on people because you are boring and not very bright. You have no original thought and apparently no capacity for critical thinking. You parrot de-bunked canards. And, at bottom, you don’t understand the difference between a genuine debate of ideas and the “nyah, nyah” insults of a poorly raised and unappealing child.
You congratulate yourself on “stirring things up.” But you don’t do so by offering anything of merit or interest. You come on the site, you say things that are insulting, stupid, banal, or all three. And then you whine that people don’t want to hear differing points of view. No, they just don’t want to read your bullshit–and that is what it is.
“Squirrel in the attic” is an apt metaphor in the sense that you are, indeed, a rodent. But please do not fancy yourself as anything approaching an intelligent representative of opposing viewpoints. You’re unusual only in the extent of your dullness.
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By: Donna on October 23, 2009
at 4:31 PM
Delurker Girl Δ
Obama..Do away with Christmas…
Nope …they have to keep up the charade a little longer before they pull out the month long Kwanzaa celebrations.
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By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009
at 4:23 PM
“The fictional Helen Philpot (they’ve changed names for security reasons, as I mention above) was born in 1926. She would have entered college in about 1926 or ’27 and gotten out in about 1932. Yet, she reminisces recently about Cliff Notes Books which didn’t appear on or around college campuses until 1958. I guess there’s no reason why she wouldn’t have seen them around the bookstores!”
Wait a minute…Helen or whoever she is was born in 1926 and went to college in 1926? Man, she’s a genius who was out of college by the time most of us just make first grade!
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By: talea on October 23, 2009
at 4:17 PM
“The fictional Helen Philpot (they’ve changed names for security reasons, as I mention above) was born in 1926. She would have entered college in about 1926 or ’27 and gotten out in about 1932. Yet, she reminisces recently about Cliff Notes Books which didn’t appear on or around college campuses until 1958. I guess there’s no reason why she wouldn’t have seen them around the bookstores!:
Wait a minute…Helen or whoever she is was born in 1926 and went to college in 1926? Man, she’s a genius who was out of college by the time most of us just make first grade!
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By: talea on October 23, 2009
at 4:17 PM
jsri on October 23, 2009
Read the first sentence of the posting again at 10:02
and I quote..some guy or person wrote about M&H..and his name was “CHARLIE LECK”
“Helen & Margaret are a couple of young girls at Smith!
by Charlie Leck”
and TINE
“3) Nobody here really cares whether M&H are real. We’ve been over this a hundred times. Its the writing in M&H’s posts that most of us love, as well as the discussion forum those posts have created.”
Well they are late with the mail then cause its been a month .. Like lookin at the heavens waiting for the great one to appear.
I had no idea someone had questioned the existence of M&H before I did…or even proposed.
Wow..someone must have taken a big can of WhoopAss for that one before I arrived.
Really
Have I at all Lambasted,called you names..said you were stupid for your beliefs?
The fact that you know when I post..I’m not hiding somehting..
I’ve had some good exchanges about things other than politics…
BUT SOME want this site to be about them and them alone.
Heck for two days I watched recipes being exchanged. Now there.
I feel better.
Why the TROLL monicker?
…..because I don’t like Pelosi or some other
liberal democrats.
I’m just not marchin to your tune..and it grates on a lot of you.
And JuneauJoe Δ where are the trillions of dollars of financial relief?
Right where you would expect them to be, in the hands of Lobbyist’s
Where is this main street relief?
My God could you just get your man in the Big House to make a decision with some balls and support our boys rather than letting them hang out there waiting for Rom Emanual to tell him what to do.
OK ..Just consider me the Squirrel in the attic that won’t go away…
That is unless you can convince Matthew to eradicate me. Or does Matthew even exist?
It really does not matter as someone said whether M&H really exist…
They have done what they intended.
hey Claire..ever seen the movie
Blazing Saddles?
The fart scene is the best
More beans Mr. Taggert?
That was to stir debate…NOT tell
someone to go away.
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By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009
at 4:07 PM
For a very good reason Margaret and Helen remain private individuals, they are smart. Trolls are fanatics and no one, but no one wants an extremist nut job literally hanging out on their porch. Every time some well intended fan of Margaret and Helen suggest they seek publicity, appear on Oprah or another show, I just cringe, that a troll suggests “outing” them makes me even more apprehensive for their safety.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 3:10 PM
Oh dear. None of the trolls shared the news that Obama is doing away with Christmas at the White House! There will only be holiday trees, and religious themed ornaments are bannd! We’ve already lost ‘In God We Trust’ on coins. All this and Obamacare killing premature babies, too. What is this world coming to?
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 23, 2009
at 2:43 PM
We live in a world with 2 wars (minimum),
40 million without health care and an attempt to help all get health care,
debt (I suggest we consider the wars when we look at debt and Bush Policies),
joblessness (and republicans blocking extending unemployment), Bush crew left the economy on the brink a year ago,
Rape in Iraq of a US woman but she cannot go to court.
I could add more but will stop here.
IDIOT TROLLS WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER 2 PEOPLE WITH A BLOG ARE 80+ YEARS OLD! In the scheme of things – DOES IT REALLY MATTER? I like them 80 or 20…..
True Republican! Rush did not get in the NFL – THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END because of it! I need to see Beck – NOW! Rush – are they 80?
Craig – you are sad!
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 23, 2009
at 1:40 PM
Here is your direct quote:
There are a number of things, however, that keep making me think they’re phony. The syntax and vocabulary slips from time to time and sounds much too young for a couple of old geezers.
By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM
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By: jsri on October 23, 2009
at 12:59 PM
“First off I resent the term old geezers just as you would be insulted by being referred to as a puerile snot nose. And as for their vocabulary and syntax, like H&M, we too have had children and grandchildren so our ability to slip in and out of a generation’s vernacular is no big deal.”
“puerile snot nose”..I do have a cold today.
In all my posts..I do not believe I used the term geezers.
I tried to do some research about M&H to see if she ,He , they are for “real”
Kinda like the saucers we talked about last week.
Remember?
The article I copied and pasted was given credit to the man who wrote about M&H.
Look at the posting again..Thanks
Helen & Margaret are a couple of young girls at Smith!
by Charlie Leck
Now Like those flying saucers..what we need are someone who officially knows them..to come forward and identify them as 83 year old hipsters
they propose to be.
Has there been any sightings?
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By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009
at 12:53 PM
By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM
You noted : “The fictional Helen Philpot . . . . was born in 1926. She would have entered college in about 1926 or ’27 and gotten out in about 1932.”
WOW! Talk about a child prodigy! I’m impressed. A college grad at 5. No wonder she has such a following.
But about Cliff Notes? My wife and I were college students during the same era that M&H were in college (1940’s & 1950’s) and we both remember course notes, especially for Literature classes. They may not have been CliffsNotes but something comparable was available at that time. My wife used to buy them at the Harvard Coop Bookstore and thinks they might have been called Hi Lites. When Cliff Hillegass started his notes in 1958, he was so successful that Cliff Notes became a generic term for such course guides much the way Kleenex and Xerox are generic product terms.
Craig: You also noted: “There are a number of things, however, that keep making me think they’re phony. The syntax and vocabulary slips from time to time and sounds much too young for a couple of old geezers.”
First off I resent the term old geezers just as you would be insulted by being referred to as a puerile snot nose. And as for their vocabulary and syntax, like H&M, we too have had children and grandchildren so our ability to slip in and out of a generation’s vernacular is no big deal.
I think it’s about time for you to find another target for your obtuse commentary.
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By: jsri on October 23, 2009
at 12:39 PM
I vote we ignore the trolls! It’s hard because they are so impossibly dim but I’ll try to do better disregarding the nasty, boring little things.
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By: Donna on October 23, 2009
at 12:26 PM
If a troll farts in the forest do you smell it?
LMAO
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By: Claire on October 23, 2009
at 11:30 AM
NO Bunn Bunn…
Just a black man in black face trying to be Santa Clause to all the liberals who got coal in their socks for the past 8 years.
If a troll falls in the forest do you hear it ?
No one has any personality or humor.
I think the Smith Girls AKA Helen and Margaret have taken a hike.
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By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009
at 10:52 AM
I don’t think you can base anything on when Cliff Notes came into use. Maybe they went back to school late. Maybe they remember their children using them. Pretty weak if that is what you’re basing your “Margaret & Helen aren’t real” essay on.
Basically, who cares who they are? There is a long and revered tradition of writing under “pen names” in the US. Ben Franklin was an enthusiastic practitioner. Doesn’t it matter more what they say than who they really are?
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By: Lori on October 23, 2009
at 10:49 AM
M&H 101 for Dummies…
…I mean trolls…
…I mean Craig.
1) Liberals are, by definition, open-minded. They don’t take any source as gospel. They gather info from all over. They *think* about stuff and make up their *own* minds.
2) This is a conversation. A community. There are all kinds of topics afloat at any one time. People may respond to you, but they’re responding to others too. If you want to participate, pay attention and *think* about your responses. If you just want to throw stinkbombs and watch for a reaction, don’t pout when people plug their noses and turn the other way. Or yell at you for being so juvenile.
3) Nobody here really cares whether M&H are real. We’ve been over this a hundred times. Its the writing in M&H’s posts that most of us love, as well as the discussion forum those posts have created.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 23, 2009
at 10:42 AM
A democrat is watering down the amendment to allow rape cases to go to court.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sources-frankens-anti-rape-provision
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 23, 2009
at 10:42 AM
And I guess there is no big man in the clouds…
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By: Claire on October 23, 2009
at 10:42 AM
You mean there’s no Easter Bunny, either? lol
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By: Claire on October 23, 2009
at 10:33 AM
I do know (I read Harry Potter) trolls are smelly.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 10:18 AM
I am pretty sure there isn’t a Mrs, Butterworth, or Mrs. Folgers, but I still consume their product, and love every last drop!.. 😉
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By: lori on October 23, 2009
at 10:16 AM
Personally I don’t care Nor do I care that there is or isn’t a Santa, Father Christmas or St Lucia. What I do care about is the message they all bring to the table!
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By: lori on October 23, 2009
at 10:10 AM
Helen & Margaret are a couple of young girls at Smith!
by Charlie Leck
Helen and Margaret write one of the most popular blogs on the web. They are a couple of very elderly, old girls — both are in their 80s — and they have millions of readers.
It’s Helen who does most of the posting. When Margaret does write, one really can pick up the style difference between the two. Very recently, Helen has been reviewing, chapter by chapter, Ann Coulter’s newest book, Guilty. An example of her quick and rapier style wit and her brilliant writing is demonstrated in the review of chapter three of Coulter’s work. [read it] This writing, it seems to me, comes from a professional and I think that’s what the actual person behind Helen really is.
Oh what the hell, I’ll still go and read the frauds (if they are frauds) because they’re funny, fun and witty. I’ll just keep pretending that they are old broads who have hit on extraordinary success.
There are a number of things, however, that keep making me think they’re phony. The syntax and vocabulary slips from time to time and sounds much too young for a couple of old geezers.
Though some people claim they can’t find any anyone with those names in the regions in which they’re supposed to live, those folks must have missed Helen’s explanation that they are writing under pen-names because Helen’s grandson thought it would provide them more security. It all gets much too complex and only underlines the feeling they are fictional.
If these two old girls were for real, they’d have been invited to speak at some of the most popular colleges and universities in America. Big money in that, girls! I’d travel pretty far to see the two of them in person and to hear them speak.
The fictional Helen Philpot (they’ve changed names for security reasons, as I mention above) was born in 1926. She would have entered college in about 1926 or ’27 and gotten out in about 1932. Yet, she reminisces recently about Cliff Notes Books which didn’t appear on or around college campuses until 1958. I guess there’s no reason why she wouldn’t have seen them around the bookstores!
Well, real or not, Helen kept me highly entertained all during the campaign (the months and months and months of it) and I kind of fell in love with her. If she turns out to be a fake, it won’t be the first time I was jilted by a bogus dame.
And, Helen keeps on cooking, even now that the race is over and part of history. She loves to take on the Coulter chick and Rush Limbaugh, too.
I’m confused about the question we’re working on here. What do you think? Are they the real deal? Or are they a couple of goofy, funny girls at Smith?
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By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009
at 10:02 AM
Exactly delurker girl… above all else he knows how to make money and he plans on doing just that.
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By: lori on October 23, 2009
at 9:53 AM
With his ratings slipping and his sponsors ditching him, his plan has some holes in it. Apparently you can’t take facts out of context and twist them for maximum controversy & hate and be considered a bankable newsman. Who knew?
Maybe his real plan was to become extreme and hate filled enough to get offered a lucrative contract from Fox. He’s playing that card well. He’ll fit right in there.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 23, 2009
at 9:51 AM
It must be sad to be so emotionally stunted that you get a charge out of trying to provoke a reaction. Of course, since trolls don’t identify themselves (other than the Gone But Not Missed Kathleen Wynne), they are cowards. It’s the equivalent of a six year old making a prank phone call and hanging up.
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By: Donna on October 23, 2009
at 9:46 AM
Oh Lou lou lou…. I do have to feel sorry for the old bloat, he was so conflicted. He is a firm lover of money and “capitalism” but yet he is a fear filled white guy and let us NOT forget he wants to make as much money as he can before he retires…. Don’t we all?????? So many problems not enough time.. What to do?
He said screw it… The most lucritive way for me to lean is towards an angry white guy…. He followed Rushbo’s lead ( and others) and here we are …go to another cable station that has no competetion and hence can make tons of bucks before he goes home to his Tara…. Who can blame him?
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By: lori on October 23, 2009
at 9:44 AM
Trolls think they are Paul Revere, but alas they are trolls.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 9:34 AM
“A Coward who hides behind a five year girl, ”
whats this?
I thought if it was on CNN ..you all thought it was gospel?
YOU mean he just makes this stuff up from Congress?
Come on..Your not that gullible?
I know you all watch FOX..but you do it very quietly ..behind closed curtains so your neighbors won’t see.
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By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009
at 9:34 AM
Lou Dobbs is CNN’s troll, LOL!
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By: Claire on October 23, 2009
at 9:30 AM
Anyone here not know that Lou Dobbs is a jingoist? Haven’t known it for years? Give a damn about anything Dobbs has to say on the subject?
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 9:28 AM
Lou Dobbs is an idiot. He perpetuates the birther nonsense, he endorses the thoroughly discredited Jerome Corsi. As I understand it, he is currently being courted by Fox and is likely to move there.
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By: Donna on October 23, 2009
at 9:20 AM
Lou Dobbs, fear & hate monger:
http://www.casavaria.com/cafesentido/2009/10/17/4918/cnns-lou-dobbs-accused-of-sowing-hate-inciting-violence/
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 23, 2009
at 9:19 AM
A Coward who hides behind a five year girl, well I know what I think of him.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 9:08 AM
This is a must watch!
I KNEW this was going to happen. (That way Obama wasn’t lying when he said illegals would not be able to get medical coverage under his ObamaCare plan. His simple fix is to make them all legal first.)
EVERYONE–PLEASE TAKE TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS–IT TELLS ABOUT THE BILL GOING THRU CONGRESS RIGHT NOW REGARDING IMMIGRATION.
Lou Dobbs of CNN commenting about a current amnesty bill …
EVEN CNN IS GETTING UPSET ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!
Pass this on after you watch it. NOTICE THAT THIS IS FROM CNN, NOT FOX!!!
This from CNN news:
http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/1610997888/name/ftc-vi26..wmv
This 2-minute video should be mandatory viewing for every US citizen.
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By: CraigΔ on October 23, 2009
at 8:59 AM
Helen — Haven’t heard from you in a while, so hope you, Margaret, and all whom you love are OK. Looking forward to your next post!
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By: darlene on October 23, 2009
at 8:41 AM
The flip side to any bully is a coward
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By: Greytdog on October 23, 2009
at 8:27 AM
LOL well obviously you are not an fing bitch Claire…. and that “gentleman” was not only ignorant but a nasty human being!
My father’s mantra was don’t get mad get even…… and I guess you got even..;-)
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By: lori on October 23, 2009
at 8:23 AM
PS: Same guy told me that I was going to have to leave the country when McCain was elected president. Haven’t seen him since, LOL!
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By: Claire on October 23, 2009
at 8:01 AM
Yes, I remember when people were civil and courteous to one another even if they disagreed on an issue. There was no name calling and hatred, ala FAUX News, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, etc.
What that parent did to his child smacks of child abuse to me, teaching an innocent to hate to please their parent? SCARY!
Personally, I have been called a(n) “F#$%&ing Liberal Bitch!” at the top of one right winger’s lungs during a discussion about election issues.
Like your proverbial schoolyard bully. Pathetic.
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By: Claire on October 23, 2009
at 7:54 AM
I certainly agree NOP. It was just one more illustration of HOW far we have come as a society. ;-( That father felt very comfortable with his behavior, the trolls that visit here, and almost ALL political sites I have visited, feel VERY comfortable with their mean spirited, nasty, and yes sometimes vulgar behavior… sad … really sad….
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By: lori on October 23, 2009
at 7:38 AM
It is one thing to have political differences, but teaching children to hate is a form of child abuse and making your child use vulgar language is truely sick.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 23, 2009
at 6:39 AM
LOL and yes I know that is the wrong weather… I’m blaming the faux pas on the trolls… that’s my story and I’m sticking to it..;-) namaste all
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By: lori on October 23, 2009
at 5:11 AM
I have been exposed to politics for a long, long time. A close relative was a congressman for 28 years. I literally cut my teeth on a campaign button! I have worked/ran/volunteered/interned for politicians for 32 years on the national, state, and local level. Suffice it to say I have seen my share of partisans (on both sides of the aisle) and partisan politics. It use to be that you were able to “debate’ (argue) like hell with your opponent ABOUT an issue and then after the debate go out and get a drink together. I remember one year when there was a particularly difficult campaign and the politics became pretty heated, we ended up winning, but it wasn’t by much and nerves were frayed when election day rolled around. Several days after the election I went to my mail box and there was an invitation to our opponents’ anniversary party waiting for me. The funny thing is I wasn’t surprised…. back then…..It was normal, over the course of the campaigns members of both staffs get to know each other and their families and more often than not remain “Christmas card friends”, at the very least long after the campaigns are over. There have always been republican/democrat leaning newspapers/radio stations/news organizations that gave favorable press to the candidate of their party. That was part of being in politics if you were thin skinned you best not run for office OR work in politics. However the editors and journalists were likely to be the first ones to send you a condolance card when you lost a family member, or visit you in the hospital when your child was born.
That is why I am STILL surprised when I hear and read the level of vitriol that exists in today’s politics. Last Halloween I had a little girl, maybe 5-6 years old, come to my door trick or treating, I could tell she was embarrassed and shy – Chalked it up to the event until I handed her the candy and this tiny little angelic face looked up at me and said in a hurried fashion, “OBAMA SUCKS ASS”, and then ran to her father waiting out at the sidewalk. The father was pumping his fist in the air SCREAMING “that’s my girl!” Apparently the “gentleman” took great umbrage with the Obama sign in my front yard. That minute is when I knew our society had changed forever, and not for the better.
So when a troll comes visiting my front porch weather trick or treating or just eatin pie, it doesn’t surprise me, it just makes me sad…. very sad…
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By: lori on October 23, 2009
at 4:55 AM
“A new study by Representative Anthony Weiner (D – Queens & Brooklyn), member of the Health Subcommittee and Co-Chair of the Caucus on the Middle Class, revealed that 151 members of the House and Senate currently receive government-funded; government-administered single-payer health care – Medicare.
On the list of recipients are 55 Republicans who have steadfastly opposed other Americans getting the public option, like the one they have chosen.”
Way to go Anthony Weiner!
😉
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By: Poolman on October 22, 2009
at 11:45 PM
By: Pamela Δ on October 21, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Among other things you posted: “Maybe you do want to consider some alternatives, jsri.”
I wasn’t seeking your presumptuous advice so let me give you some personal history. Thirty years ago my employer enrolled us in a local HMO, a relatively new concept in the region. It had more nurse practitioners than MD’s. The nurses could not write prescriptions so some of them took it upon themselves to offer advice on alternatives. During most of the seven years I was there I was given advice on alternatives for blood pressure problems, prostate hyperplasia and low thyroid. The so-called treatments were available in nutrition centers and were expensive but colossal failures. Only after I went to an MD and got legitimate prescriptions were these conditions brought under control.
Friends and family fared no better. Earlier, in the 70’s, wives of two colleagues were diagnosed with breast cancer and both went the laetrile route. Needless to say, their misery was long and their deaths were ugly. Even 25 years ago, my niece was diagnosed with breast cancer. Despite my warnings to her parents she listened to an alternative “therapist” but when the untreated cancer metastasized it was too late to do anything. She was 28 and left a devastated husband and three children under six.
I was invited to do a presentation at the Chinese Academy of Aeronautics in Beijing in the late 1980’s. A member of the group I was traveling with was afflicted with intense diarrhea and stomach pains and was taken to a Chinese herbalist for treatment. The concoction of herbs, spices and bugs brains had no effect. When I talked with the scientists and engineers at Beijing Univ, they were appalled that our tour leader would seek out a Chinese herbalist. They all went to MD’s trained in western medicine. They recommended an MD who found that the sick person had a treatable intestinal parasite which is not so hard to believe because many rice fields in China at the time were still using night soil as fertilizer.
About eight years ago, my wife developed a serious skin condition that mocked psoriasis. Several of her friends brought her salves and ointments that they guaranteed would take care of her problem. They failed. Her primary care physician finally convinced her to consult an oncologist who discovered that she had Cutaneous T-Cell Lymphoma, an auto-immune disease. After a long series of treatments the condition is still not cured (there is no cure), but it has been stabilized. And my late brother, who recently succumbed to Alzheimers went both the traditional medicine as well as the alternate route. Neither had any effect on the condition.
In the early 90’s I came across a website, Quackwatch, that relentlessly chases down and has debunked a lot of alternative medicine claims. I haven’t looked at it lately but I believe it still exists. But whenever I hear outrageous “healing” claims, I go there first.
And I don’t need a lecture about how “iatrogenic(doctor-related) causes and Prescription Drugs Are The Leading Cause of Hospitalization and Death in the US, Causing over 250,000 Hospital Related Deaths” because if we closed all the hospitals and clinics and fired all the MD’s and turned over our medical needs to purveyors of herbs and spices, these numbers would increase ten fold.
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By: jsri on October 22, 2009
at 9:29 PM
Hi gang,
It’s a sure sign that we are hurting for a new post from M&H when we are reduced to talking about trolls. But here I go.
I’ve been thinking as I listen to Conservatives/Republicans on TV or read what they have to say in the papers and news magazines and of course here at M&Hs. I do not ever volunteer to tune into Fox or other obviously radical rightwing blah, blah, blah. That would be a waste of my time.
Here is what I am concluding. First of all, they are consistently SO defensive about what they are NOT! NOT racist, NOT sexist, NOT just about anything and NOT FOR just about anything. There is one exception only. It has to do and revolves around the ’TAXPAYER’S DOLLARS’!!!!!
The analogy here is of handing someone a text to read and the only thing the person can see is a typo here and there. No insight into the gist of the text whatsoever or of being able to see the overall whole. Just hypercritically zeroing in on the typos. This is indicative of an inability to even conceive of deductive reasoning. Once a concept has been grasped, then it is ever so easy to go back and correct a few typos. However, some people are totally incapable of getting beyond the ‘nitpick-the-typo-stage’.
As is so often pointed out, the ‘trolls’ have every right to come here to this blog and post whatever they like. Fine. A troll is happy to sit down, gorge on pies that other have baked and graciously served. Then he proceeds to barf all over the table and otherwise make a complete horse’s ass of himself by recycling the same tired old NOTs! and recycled ‘Talking Points’ we have all heard thousands of times before. Talk about boring. Still, as the old adage goes, I guess a troll is more to be pitied than scorned.
If you will please excuse me, I will just move myself to a different chair on the porch out of the way so I don’t get splattered with troll vomit.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 22, 2009
at 9:12 PM
I have many, many heroes on this site.
Thank you humbly for your compliment, Donna. There have been many different RESPECTFUL opinions (especially regarding religion) vs. the sewage/spewage of ones who try to reel us back in and then show their stupid true (troll) colors. I will not allow any troll shit in my world, I don’t hear a thing.
Except for my yawning when they repeat the same old FAUX bumper sticker mentality=BORING! Not sure why some of you keep inviting them on the porch.
Not my biggest concern, want to know if my gals and Matthew are okay.
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By: Claire on October 22, 2009
at 8:20 PM
Claire–you are my hero du jour. I couldn’t agree more.
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By: Donna on October 22, 2009
at 8:04 PM
tomgnh, I am pretty sure that was Limpball’s intention.
There is a neighbor of mine who used to be a Dem and now he listens (and believes!) (and LIKES!) Osama Bin Limbaugh. I used to be attracted to him until I realized he had lost his mind…
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By: Claire on October 22, 2009
at 7:56 PM
TROLL(S), you are irrelevant, go piss and moan somewhere else, you are not worth the time of day. Scroll, baby, SCROLL the stupid troll.
Do not even acknowledge this piece of poop, scrape it off your shoe!
Go tune back in to Glenn Blecch, et. al. You are a waste of time, space and oxygen in my world.
Much more importantly, I am very concerned about Helen and Margaret and Matthew.
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By: Claire on October 22, 2009
at 7:46 PM
I think a major part of Rush’s problem was that he would wind up “owning” some African-American players after the comments he has made.
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By: tomgnh on October 22, 2009
at 7:44 PM
Margaret and Helen,
Please come back soon………….really miss you and your fabulous writing. Hope you are both well. I check daily just to see your take on whatever happens to be going on on that particular day. You’re always right on the money!
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By: crafty lady in illinois on October 22, 2009
at 6:42 PM
Post It Note on my Computer:
“I will not feed the Troll”
Matthew, please let us know how Margaret and Helen are.
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By: Raji on October 22, 2009
at 6:03 PM
Craig:
Talk real news!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-show-indefensible
What do you think? Defensible?
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 22, 2009
at 5:35 PM
Craig – RUSH IS CALLING! He wants you back at his site!
Rush gets 400 Million for making up facts and lies. He gets upset when he is called on his stupidity.
I do not feel sorry for Rush or you!
Craig: You are a sad individual. Go talk to Rush and Beck. (Can you cry like Beck by the way?)
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 22, 2009
at 5:33 PM
Raji ..
AS for looking for a job right now..no.
But in one of my first interviews at a radio station. The manager said it was too bad that I wasn’t black or a female and he could have hired me right then.
Hey what do you think about Rush not getting to be a partner with a group to buy a football team?
I mean he gets nailed for something he says a while back and the cultural police are right there.
I guess thats kinda like that minister that Obama knew and had to get rid of then there was the black czar…etc..tit for tat.
Remember what Howard Cossell once said about black football players?
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By: CraigΔ on October 22, 2009
at 4:48 PM
PalinShutUp Δ
Hey I’ve missed you too.
I did some further research and..
I found out some more information about this give away …that this came from an earlier time before our current resident President
was in office.
But it sure does smell like an “entitlement program.”
Walks and quacks like a duck.
“Let’s see what the point is supposed to be.”
“1) All welfare recipients are black.” No thats not exactly right.. you can have white, black and brown girls of color be “working girls”.
“2) All blacks are welfare recipients.”
Nope we have our share of residents from the South and and the ones who got here first. That would be what we call “high yeller” or closer to being Spanish rather than the Indian mix.
We are also the proud holder of one of the highest rate of STD’s and children having children than any where else in Texas.
Overall most of the time around here they just shoplift what they want from Wally Mart and get their pics with one minute of blurry grainy video or stills…on the television or newspaper and the narrator or editor asking, have you seen these people?”
Hey if nothing else, this lets the extended family on the other side of the river know that “they” are alive and prospering over here….and that the check is in the telegram.
3) Since there is no problem getting or keeping a job in America if you want one, all these people are just lazy (and violent, sexual criminals, to boot).”
bangers can be mexcan,white klan, people of african american heritage and relatives of President Jefferson.
But if YOU have ever had a gun pointed at your forehead and a knife held at your side..LIKE I HAVE HAD…YOU tend to not really take in a lot of detailed info on the perps..other than the color of their skin and how young they were.
Then you give then whatever they want,car keys, wallet, my girlfriends purse..and then be told not to follow when they turn and run off into the dark of a college campus.
I was lucky ..one kid laughed at them and he got the butt of the gun upside his face. Four couples robbed at gunpoint in 45 minutes.
Then if you want a really funny experience that will waste your time…go down to the jail and look thru 4 LARGE books of black mug shots.
The above was a true and scary experience
at the age of 22.
So no..I don’t have any preconceived notions
or thoughts about people. I just couldn’t listen to soul music for a long time.
And 6 years later at work in a university, I was having a discussion with a black male a black female and a white receptionist. We all worked in the same department and it was early. During our discussion something came up that the “black” gentleman said that I really could not believe…
and I said “BOY YOU GOTTA BE KIDDIN ME” this was not a racist conversation in any way shape or form. But HE stopped cold and looked at me and said I needed to apologize to him.
I said for what?
He said you just called me boy.
I was at a complete loss. I told him I had no racial intention in my comment but he turned to the three women and they agreed with him that ‘I” had made a derogatory comment.
I had not meant anything by my statement and I would have said the exact same thing to any body…
BUT he played the RACE card…and I was forced to apologize for my comment.
So its easy to nail someone for sexual or racial
comments. Just take them out of context..mix with years of being a black person in the south
or a woman who has hit the glass ceiling and
BAM..Your nailed.
I did stick up for a black bus driver one day.
He was our regular school bus driver for high school. But after he let us off in the afternoon, he was going to transport me downtown for a veterans day parade, since I didn’t drive yet.
He had one more school to pick up on a local military base. These kids hurled insult after insult at him and about him.He just kept quiet. I had my ROTC uniform on and I stood up and told them that all of them would be reported..they just did not really care..it was funny to them. He got me downtown..and I said I was sorry for what the kids had said. I was embarrassed..then he said not to worry and that he had heard a lot worse before.
My wife use to travel with her nurse who was black throughout west Texas. They not only had a working relationship, but were good friends as well. One night late..around 9:00 pm they stopped at a small local restaurant. They went in and sat down waiting for water and menu.
The owner or waitress came over and said they were closed.
So my wife and her nurse went out and say in the car and tried to figure where to go next since it was getting late. Then another car of people drive up go in ..sit down and are served. Apparently
it was too late to serve blacks.
So ..in short..I’m not a racist. I just don’t believe that one group of people, male/female, black/hispanic or white should be granted extra
rights or provisions just because of their color and or status. But I live in Texas.
And hey..if we want something to go the way we want..we just invent new voters by having the dead vote..such as LBJ did way back in his earlier Senate days in Texas. Thats probably quite common in Chicago.
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By: CraigΔ on October 22, 2009
at 4:38 PM
Thoughtful Texan Farmer
A bus load of politicians were driving down a Texas country road # R 44,
when all of a sudden, the bus ran off the road and crashed into a tree
in an old farmer’s field. The old farmer, after seeing what had happened,
went over to investigate. He then proceeded to dig a hole to bury the politicians.
A few days later the local sheriff came out, saw the crashed bus, and
asked the old farmer where all the politicians had gone. The old farmer said he had buried them.
The sheriff asked the old farmer, ‘Were they all dead?’
The old farmer replied, ‘Well, some of them said they weren’t, but you know how they lie.’
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 22, 2009
at 3:32 PM
Health Insurance is denied to women who got raped!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/investigative-report-health-insurance
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 22, 2009
at 3:16 PM
I bet Dick Cheney has something to do with the disappearance of Margarat and Helen.
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By: Francis on October 22, 2009
at 3:16 PM
A couple of things: Alan Grayson will be on Hardball tonight;
Sen. Inhouye of Hawaii is planning to GUT Sen Frankens amendment regarding criminal prosecution of DoD contractors (KBR) involved in rape cases. Please contact Inhouye’s office to let him know that is unacceptable – that RAPE is not a human resources issue but a CRIME
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By: Greytdog on October 22, 2009
at 2:31 PM
well, well, well
I see good old craigy is up to his old tricks
blaming the free cell phone thing on Obama lol!! pathetic
what’s next? the Iraqui war?
*rolling my eyes*
came to check up on the gang and M & H, hope everyone is healthy
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 22, 2009
at 1:05 PM
Poolman: “Please no one make any mistakes. What craig posted from Snopes was the copy of the email that is circulating regarding the cell phone issue.”
Oh, anybody who takes the trouble to read it can see that right away. They have the e-mail, followed by the debunking. There’s also a little blurb at the beginning that leads you to expect the debunking.
It’s just the same old inaccurate nonsense, coupled with a big steaming pile of ick, expressed in racial dialect.
Let’s see what the point is supposed to be. 1) All welfare recipients are black. 2) All blacks are welfare recipients. 3) Since there is no problem getting or keeping a job in America if you want one, all these people are just lazy (and violent, sexual criminals, to boot).
His mother must be so proud.
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By: judith on October 22, 2009
at 12:51 PM
OK, check this out and maybe make a few phone calls to N Dakota for Moveon.org to get constituents there to call the obviously conservative (D) Kent Conrad (who has previously voted against the public option) to stand for the public option.
http://pol.moveon.org/ndhealth/call/call.html?id=17637-7211380-00Sq87x#callscript=0
its easy as pie and hopefully makes a difference in getting our po…. no, not po ed …. though if we don’t get our po I will definitely be poed.
Grayson really got me with his polite refusal to yield his time… you rock!
I called Congressman Paul Broun’s office this morning to inquire if he’s caught any of the Muslim intern spies yet but no ones calling me back. He must be out running them down… Senator Chambliss’ office is evidently so deluged with calls that they can’t get a line out to call me back.
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By: Pamela on October 22, 2009
at 10:42 AM
Helen is missing!!!!
You check the Republicans….I’ll check Ann Coulter’s house…
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By: Mary T. on October 22, 2009
at 9:53 AM
LOL with Joe… will you yield your time? NO! LOL I ,love it…
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By: lori on October 22, 2009
at 9:29 AM
Alan Grayson is GREAT!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/alan-grayson-v-paul-broun
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 22, 2009
at 8:33 AM
I think they rolled off the ship.
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By: Branson on October 22, 2009
at 8:20 AM
Is there anything we can do????
This is too strange…it has been almost a whole month!!!! Matthew could at least give us some kind of update or message that at least everything is okay with them.
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By: Tanya T. on October 22, 2009
at 8:17 AM
http://www.Margaret & Helen = Waiting, Wondering and Worrying
Hope everybody is ok.
And for cryin’ out loud, people, quit feeding the trolls!
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By: Claire on October 22, 2009
at 8:03 AM
Jesus walks into a crowded cafe and sees all the tables are full of people. There are two empty barstools at the counter–one on each end. Jesus sees that he must choose to sit next to Craig or sit next to a “hoe”.
I think we all know which seat Jesus chooses.
Margaret and Helen,
We miss you.
Everyone have a good day!
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By: vgmanΔ on October 22, 2009
at 6:38 AM
Add me to the worrywart contingent. It’s been an exceptionally long time since M&H’s last post. Hope you are both well, Helen and Margaret. And you too, Matthew!
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 22, 2009
at 5:55 AM
I’m guessing that something is wrong with the grandson, Mathew…since he is the one that posts Margaret and Helen’s writings for them as they create them…at least that is what I have gathered from past posts and the other sections.
I do hope we hear SOMETHING soon….I’m the worrying type.
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By: Lorena Middleman on October 22, 2009
at 5:24 AM
Craig, once again you have rattled the cage just to get a response. If you had done any checking you would have found the following information. Apparently you have not been job hunting recently or you would know all job interviews are conducted by phone/computer. By the time you get a personal interview you are almost assured the job. All unemployed people who receive unemployment benefits are welfare recipients and that could be your next door neighbor. Are these the “bangers and hoes” you are referring to?
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/lllu.html
Lifeline Assistance provides discounts on basic monthly service at the primary residence for qualified telephone subscribers. These discounts can be up to $10.00 per month, depending on your state.
Link-Up America helps income-eligible consumers initiate telephone service. This program pays one-half (up to a maximum of $30) of the initial installation fee for a traditional, wireline telephone or activation fee for a wireless telephone for a primary residence. It also allows participants to pay the remaining amount they owe on a deferred schedule, interest-free
Who Pays for the Lifeline and Link-Up Programs?
All telecommunications service providers and certain other providers of telecommunications must contribute to the federal USF based on a percentage of their interstate and international end-user telecommunications revenues. These companies include wireline phone companies, wireless phone companies, paging service companies, and certain Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) providers.
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By: Raji on October 22, 2009
at 5:17 AM
Oh I didn’t realize that was your little boy poolman, I thought it was just part of your businesses advertisement! I am sorry I didn’t comment on him before.
He is adorable poolman..;-)
and of course our little Marie (sp?) is beautiful!
Pamela, I am sorry to say that as long as there is soooo much money to be made by the drug companies we aren’t going to see much progress being made on the more natural remedies and as long as we continue to allow such lucrative and liberal compensations for persons who have been harmed by a drug, we will continue to be denied access to “good drugs”…. But lets keep our fingers crossed!
namaste’
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By: lori on October 22, 2009
at 4:42 AM
Tine and Poolman, beautiful children, now I can see them.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 22, 2009
at 4:16 AM
I’m inclined to believe said troll might not have any real interest in politics or any other subject here; they just like to get attention by raising other people’s ire. That is why I no longer directly address them or refer to them by name. Ever notice how their writing style goes back and forth from English to semi-literate, I am no expert, but that doesn’t seem normal.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 22, 2009
at 4:08 AM
Craig – you are sad…. I really do think you need to quit this site and go enjoy Rush, Oreilly and Beck.
You are a troll.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 22, 2009
at 12:56 AM
Please no one make any mistakes. What craig posted from Snopes was the copy of the email that is circulating regarding the cell phone issue. It is not the explanation of what is the truth.
The issue raised was not one of why they should have cell phones or not, it was in a negative light for the Obama administration. It is not his program; it is a government program. Government does not = Obama. We still have a democracy in the country regardless of what some people choose not to believe.
My chain was not pulled in the least. I actually feel sorry for you in that you feel the need to be as inflammatory as possible to get a reaction. Welfare does not = bangers and hos. And nothing in any of my response bashed you in the least. But maybe if you say it enough times you can still play the woe is me card.
You come and ask to join, you play nice for a while and then you put up some stupid issue that is easily fact checked and then you put groups of people down. Old and tired tactics. Maybe you should go sit at the kids table if you can’t behave nicely and rationally at the big table.
Troll is as troll does.
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By: Alaskan on October 21, 2009
at 11:07 PM
I love this Grayson guy!
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By: Poolman on October 21, 2009
at 10:39 PM
Pamela, Zicam worked great! That’s how you know it’s gonna get pulled from the market! (Not making light of side effects people had)
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 21, 2009
at 8:11 PM
kitkat, my apologies, I hadn’t heard that Zicam had been pulled from the market….. I used it years ago very successfully and don’t use it now because I order my own zinc citrate lozenges that do indeed help prevent one from getting sick and get you over colds quicker. Obviously, I can’t keep up with everything out in the market …. I was going on my experience with it in the past. I shop in the drug stores about as often as I go to Wal Marts….nada!
It is kinda strange to me how people are so quick to trash the concept of using something natural without comparing the damages inflicted by both over the counter medicine as well as drugs. Lets see here: approximately 800 people complained of loss of smell using Zycam’s zinc glucanate from 1999 till 2009.
In October 2007, an FDA advisory panel recommended that no cold or cough medicines be given to children under six. The cold and cough medicines in question include:
cough suppressants (dextromethorphan or DM)
cough expectorants ( guaifenesin)
decongestants (pseudoephedrine and phenylephrine)
antihistamines (such as brompheniramine, chlorpheniramine, diphenhydramine [ Benadryl] and others)
….”reports between 1999 and 2006 of 60 children under age 6 dying from decongestants or antihistamines.”
“A recent study conducted by the CDC (Center for Disease Control) indicates that cough and cold medicine can be harmful and potentially deadly when given to a young child under the age of two. The most common reason for death was an overdose of common medication used to relieve cold symptoms.”
“Three infants died in 2005 in South Carolina as a direct result of their cold medicine….. Thousands of young children were hospitalized and may very well suffer long term side effects as a result of parents or doctors who thought they were helping relieve their uncomfortable cold symptoms using over the counter cold medicine.”
Or how about just taking good old Tylenol and other medications containing its active ingredient, acetaminophen. Acetaminophen can be highly toxic. At Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, acetaminophen is the #1 cause of acute liver failure.
At Parkland over a 40-month period from 1992 to 1995, 71 patients were treated for acetaminophen overdoses, according to an article published in The New England Journal of Medicine by Drs. Frank V. Schiodt, Fedja A. Rochling, Donna L. Casey, and William M. Lee from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center. Five of the 71 patients died while the remaining 66 recovered, after hospital stays ranging up to almost 2 months in length.”
Here’s a figure for you, jsri
“Iatrogenic(doctor-related) causes and Prescription Drugs Are The Leading Cause of Hospitalization and Death in the US, Causing over 250,000 Hospital Related Deaths Every Year; Prescription Drugs are Responsible for over 100,000 Deaths Every Year”
No, we’re not talking about loss of smell for short. periods of time here, we’re talking deaths. Maybe you do want to consider some alternatives, jsri.
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By: Pamela Δ on October 21, 2009
at 7:48 PM
I’m not even a bible thumper, and it bothers me when people mutter/yell/curse “Jesus Christ.” It just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.
I’ve heard some people shout, “cheese ‘n’ rice!” instead. I kinda like that one. It’s silly, but gets the point across.
Looks like child the elder (Tony, age 6) is getting sick now too. I’m choosing to think positive…hope it will be the same relatively mild bug Maria had. But he goes to a large public school, so we’re dealing with a bigger set of virus vectors this time. Sigh.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 21, 2009
at 7:26 PM
Delurker Girl Δ, I was just having the same thought, but wasn’t going there. 😀
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By: Poolman on October 21, 2009
at 7:08 PM
Poolman, Rush is god to some, and to himself. He’ll work nicely.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 21, 2009
at 7:05 PM
Thor, god of thunder and war, is another good nominee.
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By: Greytdog on October 21, 2009
at 7:00 PM
Alaskan, great catch!
Poolman, great link. No one’s puppet, what I saw as a challenge was the references to discrepancies in the Bible when to a believer the Bible is the word of God. It’s OK for others to believe differently than I do, but if what I believe in is questioned then I will dig as Poolman did.
Craig, I know your attention span is poor but please try to focus. You are not bashed for tipping right. You get bashed for your manners. You know it, and you enjoy it, or you wouldn’t be here. And yes, I suppose you get flack sometimes for faithfully parroting things without research. And the word is drivel, not dribble. I hope you liked it a lot wherever you were the past few days while we were here not missing you.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 21, 2009
at 6:56 PM
I nominate Zeus.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 21, 2009
at 6:38 PM
no one’s puppetΔ thanks. I guess I got a little defensive. Just wish someone else’s god would roll off people’s tongues if they must curse.
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By: Poolman on October 21, 2009
at 6:16 PM
Craig, I bet your wife makes you wear a bell.
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By: Poolman on October 21, 2009
at 6:04 PM
A joke…
Surely you can take a joke..maybe not..But I thought it was appropriate and forwarded it on..thought you all would like it.
John was in the fertilized egg business.
He had several hundred young layers (hens), called ‘pullets,’ and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.
He kept records, and any rooster not performing
went into the soup pot and was replaced.
This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters.
Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing.
Now, he could sit on the porch And fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.
John’s favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this morning he noticed old Butch’s bell hadn’t rung at all!
When he went to investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could run for cover.
To John’s amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn’t ring.
He’d sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.
John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair
and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.
The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.
Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making.
Who else but a politician could figure out
how to win two of the most highly coveted awards
on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren’t paying attention.
Vote carefully this year,
the bells are not always audible.
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By: CraigΔ on October 21, 2009
at 5:30 PM
Because I reveal something you wish to ignore you bash the mailman.
Yes I knew you would not like the stereotypes..or the ebonic phrasing.. but your thread has a common voice that is anything other than demeaning to people who do not share your love for all things Obama.
Is providing free cell phones and minutes a right or a privilege?
Should my tax dollars pay for someone to have a cell phone?
https://www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublic/home.aspx
If it was started by Obama or a previous administration..It has democrat written all over it.
“Come on Craig, tell it like it really is. How do you pin this on this administration when it started in the previous?” snopes.com: Free Cell Phones for Welfare Recipients ••••
An Obama administration program provides free cell phones and cellular service to welfare recipients?
…Phone Home Claim: An Obama administration program provides free cell phones and cellular service to welfare recipients Example: [Collected via…
…phone number. I asked the former employee if this was a new cell phone number and he told me yes this was his “Obama phone.” I asked him what an “Obama…
…welfare recipients are now eligible to receive (1) a FREE new phone and (2) approx 70 minutes of FREE minutes every month. I was a little skeptical so I…
Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:41:19 GMT http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp
I’m still at the table and still ready to retort.
You can bash people all you want but last time I looked M&H let anyone sit at the table as long as they did not use derogatory language against each other or use the “N”word.
Lets face it..this is your own little world that allows you freedom to ask questions get answers,exchange recipes, look for medical cures and in short kibitz.
Alaskan..Did I pull your chain? I used ebonics and referred to social sterotypes that none of us like living on our street or associating with.
“The bangers and hoes are really gonna be trippin on this one.
Our tax dollars… their rights?
One mo way of redistributing the money honey.”
You took offense to the above?
Should our tax dollars go to any of the above for their business or pleasure?
no one’s puppetΔ..”Troll Paper trained?”
Not as long as God gave me the right to expouse my beliefs as you do.. and again I throw it right back in your face.
Many who criticize me for my speech and beliefs are living in glass houses when it comes to
their own dribble.
Fork is up and ready for pie.
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By: CraigΔ on October 21, 2009
at 5:22 PM
I guess the troll isn’t paper trained yet.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 21, 2009
at 4:42 PM
Poolman, I am happy your faith has grown stronger; it must be a real comfort to be a believer. Personally, I don’t think you were challenged; some of us merely expressed our theological opinions. Since I am an agnostic, neither convinced there is a god nor convinced there is not a god. I have no need to convince anyone of anything. I am happily married to a Deist; we can easily discuss religion because we respect each other’s right to their own viewpoint.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 21, 2009
at 4:37 PM
By the way, your characterizations of people who you deem not worthy are very offensive.
You ask to sit at the table and then you disparage entire groups of people. Quite disappointing.
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By: Alaskan on October 21, 2009
at 4:15 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp
I assume I will not be the only one to mention this, but it is not hard to do a little fact checking. The cell phone program is not an Obama program and not only for welfare recipients. It is an emergency phone program developed prior to the Obama administration.
Come on Craig, tell it like it really is. How do you pin this on this administration when it started in the previous?
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By: Alaskan on October 21, 2009
at 4:13 PM
Well as we wait (im)patiently on the porch for Helen and Margaret to entertain us with a new and witty post, I have been busy researching and reading.
Anytime someone challenges my beliefs, It is a good thing because it causes me to question and learn. A real truthseeker will look almost everywhere to hone his or her beliefs as I believe we should be doing continually. This is not a time for complacency, if anytime ever was.
So this latest challenge has been good for me. I have learned much and it has actually strengthened my faith. I was unaware of this movement before it was posted here in this thread. I feel the need to share resources with any other seekers of truth that are not afraid of a challenge. Otherwise, scroll baby, scroll…
It just does not hold up to scrutiny
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By: Poolman on October 21, 2009
at 3:44 PM
Margaret and Helen,
Say it aint so!
Obama and his Buds are giving out free cell phones.
Have you heard of this program?
(1) a FREE new phone and (2) approx 70 minutes of FREE minutes every month. I was a little skeptical so I Googled it and low and behold its the truth.
TAX PAYER MONEY IS BEING REDISTRIBUTED TO WELFARE RECIPIENTS FOR FREE CELL PHONES. This program was started earlier this year.
https://www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublic/home.aspx
What next a new TV and cable for people on welfare…? The bangers and hoes are really gonna be trippin on this one.
Our tax dollars… their rights?
One mo way of redistributing the money honey.
Now don’t go gettin your drawers in a wad because I used ebonics rather than Kings English.
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By: CraigΔ on October 21, 2009
at 3:36 PM
Maybe someone can give us an update. I sure love M& H and miss the essays. Just a sentence..Is someone ill or on vacation or just fed up.?.It would be appreciated because I have come to adore the author of this site and getting a little concerned.
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By: fets on October 21, 2009
at 11:31 AM
Thanks all. jsri, I agree about being cautious and I asked Pamela for advice because I didn’t know where to start in researching supplements. After being so sick, I know my body needs a boost. I have used Zicam in the past but stopped once I heard about the problems associated with it.
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By: kitkatΔ on October 21, 2009
at 10:39 AM
Margaret and Helen,
I’m with JuneauJoe. I sure miss your comments and hope you’re ok.
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By: Dawn on October 21, 2009
at 10:38 AM
Jean
Like many people, I love music but am a total dud when it comes to playing. I can’t even read music but my appreciation of it runs an eclectic gamut from A to Z. On the other hand, the next generations in our family are into it in a big way. Our daughter-in-law is principal oboist in a nearby community symphony orchestra and last week was featured in a presentation of A Somerset Rhapsody, a lesser known piece by G. Holst. The oboe is considered by many musicians to be the most difficult instrument to play and her precise but nuanced performance was flawless. I can’t tell you what a treat it was to watch our son watching his beautiful and talented wife capture the audience so completely. It was truly an emotional experience.
Their oldest son is off in a different musical direction. He is a pretty cool dude, an in-demand drummer in several local rock and jazz bands, but his real forte is math. What will happen to his music after he starts college next year is anyone’s guess. He scored 800 in the math SAT and the high 700’s in everything else and I suspect that music will eventually become his hobby. But the relationship between math and music is pretty common. His mother was a music major and math minor in college.
Jean, I’m also getting a little concerned about Helen. This has been an unusual time lag and has gotten filled in by irrelevancies without her leadership. Discussions about God, UFO’s and alternative therapies always seem to go nowhere.
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By: jsri on October 21, 2009
at 10:33 AM
Margaret and Helen,
I sure miss your comments.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 21, 2009
at 10:12 AM
LOL @ Pamela: “I’m still waiting for Richard Gerakitis to call me back from my message this am, though he may not have appreciated my wishing that he doesn’t get himself raped in any of his government work…. couldn’t help myself if I was a bit snitty”.
I wholeheartedly agree that Zicam should be avoided. I personally know of one young man who only used Zicam once and has lost his sense of smell and taste, apparently permanently. I think Cold-Eeze (zinc lozenges) are iffy, also.
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By: Claire on October 21, 2009
at 9:31 AM
Kitkat:
You have to be careful getting medical advice on the Internet especially when it involves “alternative” therapies. If you value your sense of smell and taste you should probably avoid Zicam. It is already involved in a slew of court cases ( over 400 so far) and in June this year the FDA advised consumers to avoid using it. It has an active ingredient, zinc gluconate, that is alleged to be the problem
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By: jsri on October 21, 2009
at 9:17 AM
Kitkat, I’m glad you’re starting to feel better. I was wondering how you were doing.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 21, 2009
at 9:10 AM
Hi gang,
I’m starting to get a little alarmed. It has been such a long time since a M&H post. I hope they are all right. There are so many topics in the news and pending. Maybe they are having a hard time picking one. But here’s one. Recently both President and Mrs. Obama were talking about volunteer work.
A while back, I told you I would tell you about my ophthalmologist and what he and some of his colleagues do. He belongs to an organization called the “Aloha Medical Mission” that has been going on for years. (You can Google it.) Each year for the past 25 years, they have put on a benefit concert at the Blaisdell Center in Honolulu. The Blaisdell is Honolulu’s answer to Lincoln Center, the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion and such. The concert is hosted by anchors from the local TV news network affiliates. The next concert will be in December.
The Aloha Medical Mission has been providing free medical and dental care for clinics in Hawaii and fourteen nations in Asia. There are over 20 clinics in Hawaii alone that have served well over 200,000 patients as of last year. It has some 3,500 volunteers. The doctors from various specialties donate their time and skills. The fund-raiser is for supplies and transportation.
The title of the concert is “Four Doctors, a Patient and the Mayor”. They play to a packed house every year. All four of the doctors are accomplished classical pianists.
The first one is nationally honored and distinguished in the field of ophthalmology.
The second performer, a woman, is an Orthopedic Surgeon, specializing in Sports Medicine, Orthopedic and Reconstructive Surgery. She and first doctor performed a two-piano piece in addition to their solos.
The third is a Cancer Specialist who has participated in overseas missions every single year for 30 years.
The last doctor is our ophthalmologist, a Johns Hopkins and Columbia University graduate, and in my opinion the best pianist of the four!
The featured artist is an articulate young man from the Philippines. This is his story. His twin brother was treated for advanced cancer in both eyes and subsequently died. As a child, the boy’s mother was astonished to hear him playing the same piano music his dead brother had played! Unfortunately, the boy also developed cancer in both eyes. He was brought to Hawaii for treatment at age 7. Both eyes were removed and he was fitted with glass eyes. In time he was awarded a scholarship to study music at the Academy for the Performing Arts.
In the concert he played classical, original compositions and also jazz as a trio with a guitar and drum set.
The last performer was the Honolulu mayor. He sang “Unforgettable” with a lovely young singer, accompanied by the young man on the piano and a larger group with backup singers. The mayor did a mean Elvis with “I Can’t Help Falling in Love with You!” Several other numbers included audience participation.
The concert had something for everybody! A thoroughly enjoyable evening. I have the DVDs from the past several years. If you had been in the audience, it would not be necessary to mention that the performers were multi-racial and multi-ethnic.
At the end, all the performers returned to the stage, draped up to their ears with flower and maile leis. (Maile is a rather rare fragrant vine that grows wild up in the mountains. It is worn hanging open down to the knees at weddings and special occasions, especially by men.)
The grand finale was everyone, audience included, singing “Aloha Oe!”
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
P. S. To me, this only one example and I’m sure there are many, many more across the country of Real Americans like these!
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 21, 2009
at 12:49 AM
This is an interesting site I found that gives some good information about big Pharma and vaccines. They have a link to Alan Grayson’s “Republican Health Care Plan”, so that says much for the site, IMHO. Anyway I know we are mainly focused on Health Insurance Companies as the devil, but these Pharma companies are heartless when it comes to profits.
http://deathbyvaccination.com/
JuneauJoe Δ, that’s our asshat Kyl screwing with the unemployment. That guy has his hand in everything stupid, it seems. Somebody needs to take him out behind the shed. I can’t wait to vote against him.
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By: Poolman on October 20, 2009
at 11:30 PM
kitkat, I didn’t know you’d been sick or lawd knows, I would have already volunteered “stuff”. I don’t have time right now to go back and read up on what’s going on with you but I’m guessing you got something like the flu? Do you need to boost the immune system or calm it down as in too strong of an auto immune response? Hopefully, the former as its so much easier to treat, though the later is doable just much more involved and takes time and dedication.
First off, get yourself some zinc, both in losenges (Progressive labs makes a good one but so do so many companies) and in tablets. If you have a health store near by, get 1,000 mg bioflavonoids capsules with Rutin, hesperin, quercetin, etc and take 3k per day for the next week. See if they have astragalus either by itself or in an immune tonic or even order one on line…. ping wei san is a really nice Chinese herbal for boosting the immune system. Also anything with Reishi in it would be good. You know you can order these things on line if you don’t have a health food store near by. The next time you feel you’re beginning to fight something, the drugstores carry a great homeopathic to prevent succumbing to flus and colds called Zycam. It works great!
I could keep going but maybe that will get you started back on the road to health. Gotta get my butt to bed. Have a speedy recovery
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By: Pamela Δ on October 20, 2009
at 11:10 PM
2 Republicans are blocking extending unemployment benefits.
We have high unemployment so 2 Republicans block extending benefits! 7000 people are losing benefits every day – sad.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/yoo-hoo-media-people-are-hurting-and
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 20, 2009
at 9:00 PM
Republicans for Rape website
http://www.republicansforrape.org/
They are deserving of this! Glad to see someone was good enough to put the KBR Rapes in a Republican perspective.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 20, 2009
at 8:55 PM
Lori, thanks for your thoughts. Been reading “yinz guys”, just haven’t been up to much else. Finally feel half human today and I ask Pamela — what can I do to boost my immune system? I may actually venture outside tomorrow for the first time in over a week.
And Tine, so glad your sweet little one is ok.
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By: kitkatΔ on October 20, 2009
at 8:52 PM
“Anyone know if they have the silly little interview section like Playboy accompanying the centerfold?”
no one’s puppetΔ
Thats like taking pleasure in someone else’s pain.
Not the sort of thing that would look good on anyones front porch.
I’m pretty sure you would not want that, if it were on the other shoe.
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By: CraigΔ on October 20, 2009
at 8:52 PM
Thanks Easier, we are kind of attached to him. He looks like his dad who is native American. He has dual cowlicks on the back of his head like 2 opposing tornados. Quite a pistol. Ahhh….the fascination of youth. 😀 We are into everything Star Wars right now.
On another note: Both our asshat senators voted to allow rape! 😡 I let them know I wasn’t very happy. Idiots. Corporate Reps.
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By: Poolman on October 20, 2009
at 8:46 PM
I must admit, I think she’s a cutie too. But I’m pretty sure I’m hardwired to think that — mainly so I won’t give in to the occasional temptation to wring her sassy little neck. 😉
Speaking of neck-wringing… I’d sure like to get my paws on those 30 disgusting senators. I’m glad my own weren’t among them. Go Al!
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 20, 2009
at 7:47 PM
I only have trouble with those who say ‘my God is the only true God and all you others are non believers going straight to (HELL).’ (insert word of choice”
HRH Sophia, I agree with your statement wholeheartedly.
Tine, your baby girl is beautiful. Glad she is doing better.
Poolman, not to be partial to girls, your grandson sure is cute!
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By: Easier on October 20, 2009
at 7:28 PM
I stopped watching television awhile ago except for Keith Olbermann and the first 20 minutes of Rachel Maddow. The 2-3 programs I watch other than these two, we watch on Hulu or Netflicks (Jon Stewart mostly and we’re running out of “As time goes by”). I don’t know how to do it but my husband does and it’s his job to find entertainment for us while I cook dinner. I used to flip through the channels looking for stuff that wasn’t completely boring but had no luck at all. So I’ve seen Oprah once or twice. I found Ellen D. a little more interesting but frankly, I don’t have the patience for these people. So I guess I’ll have to catch the interview on the internet when someone posts a clip. I must admit, I do have a morbid fascination for the Palin, she is the personification of dumb, but since I found Margaret and Helen while reading the Mudflats, I really can’t complain.
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 20, 2009
at 7:14 PM
Sarah Quitter Plain & Simple, love it Greytdog, that is one Oprah I won’t miss. Think she’ll be able to answer the questions?
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 20, 2009
at 6:02 PM
I hope Margaret and Helen return soon. I need a sanity fix.
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By: Junebug on October 20, 2009
at 6:00 PM
LOL Oh sorry gretdog I guess I should refresh before I post… sorry!
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By: lori on October 20, 2009
at 5:31 PM
did yinzs see this? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/20/palin-to-appear-on-oprah-day-before-tell-all-released/
I know PSU will have her tivo set! 😉
and a shout out to kitkat hope you are feeling better!
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By: lori on October 20, 2009
at 5:30 PM
Apparently Sarah Quitter Plain & Simple will be on Oprah at the end of the month. That should be interesting – except I’m not a fan of either one of them.
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By: Greytdog on October 20, 2009
at 5:16 PM
Claire, only if you drink something like a gallon of the large particle silver solutions per day. That guy really had to work hard to do that. What’s out there in your health food stores are nano particles, where you’re getting around 10 ppm, so no blue you!
I’m still waiting for Richard Gerakitis to call me back from my message this am, though he may not have appreciated my wishing that he doesn’t get himself raped in any of his government work…. couldn’t help myself if I was a bit snitty
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By: Pamela Δ on October 20, 2009
at 4:56 PM
With Levi you get grandma Sarah and she is alway good for a laugh.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 20, 2009
at 4:19 PM
Very interesting article:
Senior Citizens League Mailer The Holy Grail Of Elderly Scare Tactics
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/20/senior-citizens-league-ma_n_327583.html
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 20, 2009
at 3:59 PM
No, no, no – no one’s puppetΔ. Levi’s not worthy of our fine ladies’ superior wit and wisdom. I say hit Faux while they’re down. A good one-two punch would do nicely.
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By: Hallie on October 20, 2009
at 3:51 PM
The Mudflats » Republicans for Rape http://bit.ly/2gF8pK
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By: Greytdog on October 20, 2009
at 3:45 PM
Pamela, apparently I am in your district, too. Let’s not forget to write ol’ Johnny Isakson, either.
And Rep. (DR.) Tom Price. His wife is running for city council in my town. Ugh, I have read some of her right wing spews in our local paper, cannot stomach her. But seeing as she is married to DR. Tom Price, that is not too surprising. He is the big teabagger in these parts.
Hey, if we use colloidal silver, we won’t turn blue like the Blue Man, will we?
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By: Claire on October 20, 2009
at 12:08 PM
I am gonna make sure Senator Chambliss gets an ear full this morning and I hope his mother spanks him till he turns BLUE.
These are the 30 Republican senators who voted against Senator Franken’s bill that withholds government contracts from companies like Halliburtons KBR.
Damn…. and I just told a girlfriend yesterday that I wasn’t getting mad any more about the insanities in politics, I was speaking out, reaching out and seeking a higher ground… hmm… well, I’m spitting mad now and I think I’m gonna throw some mud at my Senator Chambliss.
Ten GOP Senators voted for the amendment, and it passed — but the 30 others need to know we’re p##@ed that they didn’t vote for giving legal rights to rape victims! These senators are: Alexander (R-TN), Barrasso (R-WY), Bond (R-MO), Brownback (R-KS), Bunning (R-KY), Burr (R-NC), Chambliss (R-GA), Coburn (R-OK), Cochran (R-MS), Corker (R-TN), Cornyn (R-TX), Crapo (R-ID), DeMint (R-SC), Ensign (R-NV), Enzi (R-WY), Graham (R-SC), Gregg (R-NH), Inhofe (R-OK), Isakson (R-GA), Johanns (R-NE), Kyl (R-AZ), McCain (R-AZ), McConnell (R-KY), Risch (R-ID), Roberts (R-KS), Sessions (R-AL), Shelby (R-AL), Thune (R-SD), Vitter (R-LA) and Wicker (R-MS).
I do love Senator Al! He’s tuff!
Swine flu can’t stand up to 3 drops of oregano oil on a tsp of honey couple times a day, colloidal silver used as gargle and in a netti pot, couple thousand mgs of bioflavonoids a day, and zinc several times a day.
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By: Pamela on October 20, 2009
at 8:50 AM
Before Helen writes a new post, I want to make my prediction; I think she will appraise Levi Johnson’s Playgirl spread. Anyone know if they have the silly little interview section like Playboy accompanying the centerfold? Oh yeah, she won’t be able to resist.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 20, 2009
at 8:20 AM
Seriously…if I could harness Maria’s kinetic energy, I could solve the world’s climate change problems! 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 20, 2009
at 8:03 AM
Δ¥ Tine, I finally figured out why I wasn’t able to see your lovely little one like others here. I had been using Firefox instead of Internet Explorer. Her face shows on I.E. but not on Firefox.
3 yr olds are a wonder to behold. Their energy alone could power a small city.
Glad to hear she’s back to her usual job, making her Mom happy.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ π on October 20, 2009
at 7:41 AM
Good Morning porch dwellers! In light of the recent discussions concerning faith & theology, you might find the following article interesting:
Associated Baptist Press – Fear Not: What does virtual rumor-mongering say about Christians? http://bit.ly/41EraQ
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By: Greytdog on October 20, 2009
at 7:17 AM
Tine, Thanks to Delurker Girl, I was able to see your little Maria’s pretty face. Hope she is back to normal real soon.
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By: sunshine on October 20, 2009
at 6:31 AM
Juneau Joe,
Thanks for that post. Here’s another one. Quite slanted towards the left, but most of us on this site seem to be anyway. Jaime Leigh Jones woke up to find her body bruised, vaginal and anal tears, breast implants ruptured, and torn pectoral muscles. The evidence that was eventually collected was “lost” by KBR. As this article states, the ironic thing is we’re there to “protect” Iraqi women…
http://www.schadenfreude.net/2009/10/09/30-senators-disagree-with-al-franken-that-rape-is-a-crime.php
A “cold and flu” recipe that we use (I’m an ER nurse) is a tea made from cinnamon sticks and oregano. Boil until it’s a nice amber, strain, add lemon and honey. It’s very soothing as well. Again all, be safe!
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By: Dawn on October 20, 2009
at 5:56 AM
Al Franken asking questions in the Iraq rape case that KBR wants to keep out of court.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/sen-franken-questions-arbitration-lawyer-a
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 20, 2009
at 5:14 AM
“I only have trouble with those who say ‘my God is the only true God and all you others are non believers going straight to (HELL).’ (insert word of choice”
Yes. Exactly.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 19, 2009
at 9:01 PM
Easier, I don’t believe you are weak if you need GOD to survive in the world. The thing I love about humanity is the diversification. I think we’re all different, not good or bad. As Δ¥ Tine said, “many paths.” I only have trouble with those who say “my God is the only true God and all you others are non believers going straight to (HELL).” (insert word of choice) I have found them in all the religions I have experience with. I guess I’ve given up on absolutes, now that I’m sort of grown up.
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 19, 2009
at 8:12 PM
On a slightly different, but parallel line, I also remember learning the Pledge of Allegiance in first grade, reciting it with authority in second grade and then being mightily outraged when they told me I had to relearn a part of it in third grade (to include the “in God we trust” part). I guess in my younger days I was looking for absolutes. Only later discovered there are none.
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 19, 2009
at 8:02 PM
HRH Sophia EQ, my thoughts align very closely with yours. Including — and especially — the Henry VIII bit. When I understood what he’d done, it really put a whammy on my understanding of religion. But it didn’t kill my spirituality. In a funny way, that revelation was the beginning of an expansion of my spirituality.
I’m totally with you on the idea that the nature of God is unknowable in full. I think we are all capable of experiencing bits of the divine presence. And I believe that every religion built upon the foundation of love offers a valid — and partial — understanding of the divine.
One way, many paths. One house, many rooms.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 19, 2009
at 7:27 PM
“For the life of every living thing is in his hand, and the breath of all humanity.” Job 12:10
“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” John 3:8
“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24
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By: Poolman on October 19, 2009
at 7:09 PM
I am one of those that could not make it without GOD. I admit it, maybe it is a weakness on my part, but well, so be it. Whether Jesus has been here or not, or whether he is an invention, for the masses, it is my personal belief that he was a messenger of God like other messengers before him. Humanity needs that connection with a higher power, or so many civilizations would not have felt the need to “invent” God through the ages. Every culture on earth has a name for God. From time to time a messenger comes to earth to reinforce that need in a very powerful manner. I also know on a certain level that the message Jesus tried to convey has been corrupted. It is a simple message really. “Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself”. Such a powerful message! However, his message having been spread through fear, intimidation, war, and the list goes on, kind of weakened it. Christianity survived in spite of itself, but survive it did.
Having said all that, I do not believe you have to be a member of any organized church or religion to feel that connection with a higher power.
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By: Easier on October 19, 2009
at 6:59 PM
I think Helen has died…
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By: Sophia Potrillo on October 19, 2009
at 6:46 PM
Whirled Peas, thanks for the link to “The Fraud of the Age”. I, too, agree. If anyone would be interested in some very good reading on this subject pick up the book “The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold”. This should answer any questions. A very well researched book.
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By: Pat Δ on October 19, 2009
at 6:11 PM
Anne said
“When I found out about all these inconsistancies, and many others (like the fact that no one can seem to agree about when Jesus was born, where, and why his parents were traveling, other than the fact that there was a prophesy that the son of God would be born in Nazareth, so he had to be gotten there somehow) that’s when I decided it was finally time to admit to myself what I’d secretly been feeling for as long as I could remember…”
I had a similar experience, I believe I was about 14 or so. I had studied European history which includes King Henry VIII in England. I began doubting when I learned that he was able to just build a NEW religion when the ‘other’ religion wouldn’t let him get rid of a wife to get another. It seemed to me that if religion was ‘law’ or ‘truth’ or somesuch, it was kinda concrete and unchangeable. I was pretty young and naive.
But I won’t go so far as to say that I don’t believe in God. I’m not hedging my bets, I just believe that, by definition, the nature of God is unknowable (at least while we’re alive, don’t know about after) I feel comfortable with that concept, I know many people need an image of God to get through the day and function. Without that image they become immobilized by fear of the unknown.
If there is a being such as God, I believe that we can communicate directly with him/her and shouldn’t require an intermediary to do so. I believe a great deal of “religion” is social ordering and does, in some cases, prevent social chaos. In other cases it has been hijacked by groups and used for their own ends, sometimes to create chaos.
(I actually don’t believe that God is a “being” but rather a much larger idea that we probably don’t have a word for.)
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 19, 2009
at 5:17 PM
Our universe is set so that a tiny variation would not allow our planet or life to exist. Certain things like continental drift and massive extinctions happened just right to let humans evolve. That argues for a something’s planning for our existance or a massive series of coincidences.
People lived and created societies for thousands of years before anything was put to writing. I think the creation myths are relics of unimaginably old religious thought. It is possible a matriarchal religion dominated the world until people began to farm. Adam’s first wife, the feminist Lilith may be a survivor from another time. It doesn’t cost anything to believe in God, and if there is none, it won’t matter because existence will end.
Whatever gods we worship are created in our own image. That doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist.
I am morose today after trying to support an e friend who just heard the news. We knew a lady for nearly three years on a message board we no longer frequent. She called her mother and told her life was too much for her. She put some of her possessions and ID on a park bench. Then, she walked a few feet and dived off a cliff. She was about 35.
A friend sent me this e mail. “This is International Disturbed People’s Day. Please send an encouraging message to a disturbed friend as I’ve just done.”
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By: James on October 19, 2009
at 5:08 PM
Auntie, what does it mean if the ONLY symptom i have is the uncontrollable urge you mentioned?
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 19, 2009
at 5:05 PM
Hi gang,
What say we lighten up a bit on a Monday while we’re waiting for M&H to give us a new post?
Adult symptoms of the Swine Flu:
Headache
Fever
Body aches
An uncontrollable urge to have sex in the mud.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 19, 2009
at 4:40 PM
UAW, I skimmed recent posts and read about your problems and other people’s. I wish I could help.
UFOs exist because by their definition they are what we can’t identify. That doesn’t mean they are space ships or visitors from another dimension.
Anita Dunn, the White House Communications Director described how the campaign manipulated news by controlling their message in such a way the story the news media reported was the one the campaign wanted reported.
The Obama campaign understood intuitively that the internet was weakening the power of the old media to control information sent into the general culture, and they used it to full advantage. Hillary’s and McCain’s campaigns were clueless, and their inability to control the news message as the Obamas did contributed to their defeat.
Another politician who understands this is Sarah Palin. Though a poll showed her at number three of possible Republican candidates, she has turned facebook into a potent political weapon. As of today, she would be Obama’s most dangerous foe in an election. That’s not saying much, because she occupies a vacume.
Republicans and other Democrats need to recognize Dunn’s analysis of the political-media landscape as correct and adapt to new conditions. Moreover, the media had best adapt too if it wants to survive in a meaningful way.
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By: James on October 19, 2009
at 4:33 PM
Whirled, I’m with you. I used to believe a person named Jesus existed at one time until I found out about all the similarities between him and all kinds of other sons of gods who we now believe are mythical. Of course Jesus shows up in the Q’ran. A lot of the stories in the Q’ran were taken directly from the bible. There is also the strange fact that everyone seems to have forgotten about his for about 60 years until they suddenly remembered and began writing about him. What’s the story about the guy who fell off his horse and had a vision and because a saint? Yeah, he’d never heard of Jesus. Or at least, he began cultivating a religion without ever mentioning him. When I found out about all these inconsistancies, and many others (like the fact that no one can seem to agree about when Jesus was born, where, and why his parents were traveling, other than the fact that there was a prophesy that the son of God would be born in Nazareth, so he had to be gotten there somehow) that’s when I decided it was finally time to admit to myself what I’d secretly been feeling for as long as I could remember…I don’t believe in god because there isn’t a god. It was a relief. I remain open to the idea that someday proof will show a god exists. Until then, I choose to live my life with as little religious encroachment as possible from others.
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By: Anne on October 19, 2009
at 3:44 PM
Keith in NM, no you don’t believe, you KNOW what you saw.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 19, 2009
at 2:41 PM
I find it very interesting that so very many find it hard to believe in UFOs. Anyone that has seen on has no question as to what it was they saw, I know this from personal experience. It only happened once for me. A week later I spoke to others that saw what I saw and when I saw it…. and they were about 15 miles east of me. They exist… just exactly what “they” are I don’t know. But they exist. What a UFO was doing in the middle of nowhere in Southeastern NM, I don’t know, but as for me, I believe!
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 19, 2009
at 2:18 PM
Whirled, it is a pretty bold claim to make that Jesus never existed. Many have tried over the years to sweep Him under the rug. Most will at least admit He lived, but will disclaim His diety. Jesus is mentioned in the Quran and the Babylonian Talmud. There is evidence he spent years in India before starting His ministry. How else was Christianity founded, if not by the person Jesus? The gospels were believed written between 65 and 80 AD, to record the oral accounts. But others kept written records.
Where’s the birth certificate?
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By: Poolman on October 19, 2009
at 11:33 AM
She’s a cutie, Tine!
To force a full page refresh on internet explorer, try holding the Ctrl key down while you press F5.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 19, 2009
at 11:23 AM
I wasn’t seeing my new avatar for awhile there either. I had to empty my browser’s cache first, and then force-refresh the page. Eventually Maria’s mug showed up.
If you’re on a Mac and you use Safari as your browser, I can tell you how to do it. If you’re on a PC, someone else will have to help us out with instructions. (Whirled Peas maybe?)
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 19, 2009
at 11:17 AM
Tine, You say you have your little daughter’s picture in your avatar and some people are seeing it. However, I still see your picture. Would love to see that little one too. ???
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By: sunshine on October 19, 2009
at 11:08 AM
am SO looking forward to the ladies’ new postings on The Prize, etc…. where are you girls?????
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By: Carolyn on October 19, 2009
at 10:29 AM
HI Tine (and everybody!)
So glad to see your DD’s smiling, healthy face!
Thanks for sharing her adorable pic w. us.
Claire
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By: Claire on October 19, 2009
at 10:12 AM
Whirled, are you familiar with this?
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/10/18/arts/20091018-SALK_index.html
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By: HRH sofia EQ on October 19, 2009
at 8:15 AM
She is adorable tine! I am so pleased she is feeling better.;-0
Jean you can say that again!… I know I was horrible with my oldest, I improved with my youngest, but I still worried myself sick. Thank heavens my husband was my balance. I recognized Tine’s anxiety! 😉
My Mom had an old time remedy for coughs and stomach aches/vomiting. She would make a “mustard plaster” and place it on our chests or tummies. It was a pasted made from dried mustard, one egg white and a lil bit of water, smeared on a cotton cloth and (folded over). It calmed even the most upset of tummies and cleared congestion and soothed asthmatic spasms. It get VERY hot as you can imagine, and needs to be monitored closely, and has an unpleasant smell, but it works! We use to laugh and say just the threat of Mom making us a mustard plaster would make us stop vomiting/coughing.. 😉
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By: lori on October 19, 2009
at 4:20 AM
Hi gang and Tine,
Whew!
I’m so glad Marie Rose has bounced back and is on the mend.
Show me a mommy who doesn’t hit the panic button when her wee one is on the sick list. The kid always recovers long before mom gets over the scare.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 19, 2009
at 12:50 AM
The Fraud of the Age
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 18, 2009
at 9:33 PM
By: CraigΔ on October 17, 2009
at 3:32 PM
I believe you mean Edgar Cayce. There’s more about him at the link below
http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/Cayce,%20Edgar.html
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By: jsri on October 18, 2009
at 8:19 PM
Hi, all! I’m happy to report that Her Royal Highness Maria Rose had a splendid Sunday. She stuffed herself with food, went to the park, coughed a whole lot less, and generally did her very best impression of a squirrel who’s just chugged a Red Bull. (Which, of course, means she was acting like a perfectly normal 3-year-old.)
I have no doubt her fairly quick rebound is due at least in part to all the good thoughts she’s been getting from M&H friends hither & yon. Thank you, everybody, for the encouraging and helpful words to a nervous mom. Sheesh, you’d think I’d never cared for a sick kid before…. I guess I freaked out because this year, what appears to be a cold in a little kid can turn out to be something much worse.
Anyway. Enough about all that. Hope you all had a good weekend. And in thanks for your kindness, I’ve changed my avatar temporarily so you can have a peek at Maria’s smiling face.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 18, 2009
at 7:36 PM
If my memory serves me correctly, and it has been a long time, my children’s doctor always recommended Triaminic flu and cold products for my little ones. I followed the doctor’s recommendation on dosage; again I am trying to tweak my memory, which was different from the package’s recommendation. But I know you have consulted Maria’s doctor and are following his advice Tine, so I am confident you are doing everything you can to keep your little one comfortable.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 18, 2009
at 6:19 PM
I recommended Robitussin and did some research since everyone was mentioning Mucinex. The ingredient guaifenesin is the same in both products.
I also recommend colloidal silver as I took it for years for periodontal disease as I am allergic to most antibiotics. Good stuff. But make sure you buy it from a reputable company.
Thank you Poolman for your prayer for the power of good health. Wishing all a healthy winter season. October rolled in with a winter blast to give us a hint of winter to come.
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By: Raji on October 18, 2009
at 5:30 PM
Re: root veg – Large pot of stewed veg is on the stove, along with just enough cubed pot roast to call it ‘beef stew’. Red wine, beef broth, orange peel, bay leaf, etc. for seasoning. There’ll be dumplings added later. Should make at least 3-4 meals this week.
Turns out your man (aka DH) will eat anything if it is mixed with gravy and dumplings. I’m talking rubber erasers and doorstops here, folks. Kinda like Thanksgiving, where a large bird is only a necessary excuse for a huge plate of mounded stuffing.
Good thing. I think a diced turnip might have fallen in there by mistake.
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By: judith on October 18, 2009
at 5:00 PM
Happy Sunday! Holy Spirit, shower us – one and all – with the power of good health, I pray.
God put the planets, sun, and stars in place. A large timepiece designed to point us to Him. All peoples focus on the objects and details in the timepiece and lose sight of the Master in the plan. In addition to accurately fulfilling Old Testament prophecy, Christianity does follow these “heavenly symbols” since they were laid out to show us the way to God. Because of Jesus, we can be sons and daughters of God. “Then he said, I assure you, unless you turn from your sins and become as little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.” Matthew 18:3
One-of-a-kind Savior
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By: Poolman on October 18, 2009
at 4:36 PM
It is beyond comprehension to me that any company, whether doing business with the government or any other entity, could have a clause in their contract with employees, that forbade reporting illegal activities. Surely a court would throw out that contract if our government doesn’t have the sense to. Which level of Dante’s hell do we reside in?
In my little piece of heaven (and hell), I grew okra this summer and had to come up with varying ways to prepare it for my taste buds sanity. My very favorite way is to sautee it for a few minutes only with coconut oil, red wine and masala spice and a bit of curry. It is to die for heavenly. I served it to several friends and they’re were equally impressed. Makes a great side dish or you can serve over rice.
Tine, I have been a bit busy this past week and didn’t read about your Maria till today. I do hope she’s feeling much better. By chance do you have a nebulizer? Putting a bit of colloidal silver in and having her inhale through the mouth piece for 15 to 20 minutes at a time 2 times a day can help tremendously and definitely the Mucinex since its readily available. There are so many great herbs for breaking up congestion but you likely don’t have any of them on hand so best to go with what you’ve got. Wishing her a speedy and easy recovery.
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By: Pamela Δ on October 18, 2009
at 3:14 PM
JoshL The illegal and immoral acts committed in Iraq are astounding. Thanks for the information.
Here is a link to the gang rape in Iraq by a young ladys co-workers. The repubicans voted against the young lady. Daily Show
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/daily-show-rape-nuts
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 18, 2009
at 9:50 AM
At least 18% of all babies born in Fallujah hospital born with deformities.
http://joshfulton.blogspot.com/2009/10/at-least-19-of-all-babies-born-in.html
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By: Josh Fulton on October 18, 2009
at 6:34 AM
Me, greytdog, if that is their hobby how bored are they? If it is their job, I hope they have a good benefit package.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 18, 2009
at 5:42 AM
Hi gang and Greytdog,
Here’s a nice little story. I get together with a dear friend once a week to make music for fun. She plays the flute (quite proficiently I might add) and me on the piano. We have been doing this for years, one week at my house and the next at hers. Afterwards we drink tea and giggle.
She has two darling little dogs they rescued from the pound. They are soooo good for my ego because they are all excited when I arrive. They romp around the house until we get ready to play. Then they both lie down and are very quiet the whole time we are playing, except……
One of them lies down on my feet and becomes quite annoyed whenever I use the pedals. They have become so familiar with some of the music, that when we screw up, which we often do, the other doggie growls!
Everybody is a music critic, even dogs!
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 18, 2009
at 1:33 AM
Hope Helen and Margaret are doing alright. I miss their thoughts. Come on, girls. blog fodder is a wasting!
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By: Sharon on October 17, 2009
at 10:00 PM
Greytdog,
You crack me up!
Waste not want not–maybe that’s their alien agenda.
Just finished painting two upstairs bedrooms.
I hate painting…..with a passion.
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By: vgmanΔ on October 17, 2009
at 8:47 PM
Raji wrote: “If there really are aliens out there observing us I don’t think they have a good opinion of Earth”
Me: Well that would explain all those anal-probe stories
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By: Greytdog on October 17, 2009
at 8:24 PM
Oh, dear, Δ¥ Tine. I’ve been away for a while. Hope everything goes well, I’ll hold you and Maria in my thoughts.
Steam, yes. Plenty of fluids, especially warm fluids (chicken soup!, weak tea with lemon, ginger ale, etc.), but avoid dairy as it can increase congestion. Gargling with warm salt water (mildly salty – think tears) won’t help chest congestion, but can improve a cruddy throat and, to a certain extant, nasal congestion.
Take care of yourself, too.
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By: judith on October 17, 2009
at 7:48 PM
I’ve had enough paranormal experiences that nothing much surprises me. I adore the Hubble photos and whenever there is a shuttle launch I get very very excited, especially the night launches. Everyone runs outside and cheers on the Shuttle! A bunch of us caravaned out to a very remote spot to watch the meteor showers, and shared spooky stories and occurrences. Loads of fun. I’ve got good neighbors.
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By: Greytdog on October 17, 2009
at 7:32 PM
Tine, so sorry to hear about your little one. My favorite remedy is a vaporizer with Vicks added. If the cough gets really bad you can make a tent or just take her into the bathroom and steam up the room.
I also gave all my daughters Robitussin (plain) no suppressants added. A doctor at Emory gave this to his chronic lung patients.
Regarding UFO’s. I believe there is a lot out there that we do not know about. I also think many of the UFO sightings are experimental objects that our government knows about and we do not. Yes, I think many people have seen objects that are considered UFO. Where they come from who knows.If there really are aliens out there observing us I don’t think they have a good opinion of Earth. 😉
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By: Raji on October 17, 2009
at 5:19 PM
Rachel Maddow on Americans for Prosperity
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/10/rachel-maddow-follows-up-her-americans.html
Rachel is amazing.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 17, 2009
at 4:36 PM
Whirled Peas: I read your post on what you believe, and I’m with you. Thanks for putting it so nicely.
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By: Junebug on October 17, 2009
at 4:05 PM
After viewing the recent Hubble telescope images of stars and galaxies..I pretty much have to think we are pretty gullible to believe that “we” are the only intelligent life source around.
I don’t mean to burst anyones bubble here..but the Bible was written by quite a few different men
with different religious beliefs and agendas.
I believe there was a man named Jesus who walked among us..and died on a cross for us.
Now as to the The Arc, all the pairs of animals…and Eve eating an apple…well
Thats when I believe we get into story time.
I have seen the things that I have seen. Not trying to convince anyone either. But after 20 years of photographing aerial objects from both ground and the air, I pretty much can have an eye and ear for aircraft and the type of engine noise they make.
But when an object comes over me at such a low level and no sound..well thats beyond my aircraft realm. Look up LUBBOCK LIGHTS in google.
Anyone into Edward Casey?
I had a “girl” “friend”
who had an out of body experience where she rose up out of her body and was looking down upon herself during a surgery ..This was due to a near fatal auto accident that left her severely cut in her face.
She took up Edward Casey and some of his beliefs.
So thats another piece of pie to chew on.
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By: CraigΔ on October 17, 2009
at 3:32 PM
Another vote for Delsym here! Great cough suppressant, doesn’t taste too bad, and lasts 12 hours. So great for when you need rest!
Also, Mucinex is awesome for breaking up the congestion. There are a couple of forms of Mucinex. If you get the one specifically marked for coughs, don’t also give Delsym.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 17, 2009
at 3:14 PM
I have suffered from bronchitis in the past. I was put on antibiotics. Coughing and wheezing are symptoms of bronchitis, with this feeling of never being able to get rid of the phlegm. My lungs hurt too.
Greytdog, your sighting mirrors mine and I believe in your story 100 percent. My sighting happened over 13 years ago and I never forgot it. I am not trying to convince anybody that there are other beings visiting us. From what I saw to that leap is something I have not done. I saw no aliens. However, I am not sure that we humans have invented seemingly solid objects that seem to vanish in the blink of an eye, at least for now, I have not heard of it.
Somebody also explained my sighting by saying that sometimes, the fabric of time opens up and some people are privy to witnessing what the future holds for us. Therefore, my daughter and I might have seen a human invention from centuries to come. I do not know, I cannot say.
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By: Easier on October 17, 2009
at 3:07 PM
Tine, ask your doc about Delsym for kids. It really seems to be the most effective for the bronchial stuff. You know it’s bronchial when accompanied by wheezing, if she complains about not being able to get her breath (at which time you may need to get a prescription inhaler from doc), deep chesty cough without a lot of phlegm discharge (need something strong to knock that crap out)
I’ve also been using Ricola cough lozenges – they seem to work the best for me
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By: Greytdog on October 17, 2009
at 2:42 PM
P.S. Gramma Rock, yes. I did hear that piggy story on MPR yesterday.
Observations, welcome to the porch. Here…have some chocolate-pecan pie. I’ll even share my fancy green tea with you. 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 17, 2009
at 2:04 PM
Thanks for the ongoing concern, folks.
I have been in contact with our family doc, who has assured me that there’s no reason to worry or even bring Maria in for an exam unless she has trouble breathing, loses her appetite, won’t wake up, etc. She’s had none of those issues, or other symptoms of severe respiratory distress — and is eating and drinking decently. Only 1 day of fever and chils.
But she does have a nasty, nasty cough. I’ve never had bronchitis, so I don’t know exactly what to look for. What comes up when I research “bronchitis symptoms” look to me like any bad cold. (??)
Can you give me any tips, friendly neighborhood flu / bronchitis veterans?
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 17, 2009
at 2:02 PM
THE PHOENIX LIGHTS – WE ARE NOT ALONE
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By: Poolman on October 17, 2009
at 1:57 PM
Oh and thanks everyone for not castigating me as a looney for believing in other worldly creatures and saucers. I just know what I have seen.
By: CraigΔ on October 17, 2009 at 8:38 AM
Craig: Most lawyers will tell you that the most unreliable witness in court is an eyewitness because whenever faced with an anomaly, the human mind fills in the details.
I’ve witnessed two UFO sightings in the past and both became something more mundane when I discovered that they really were simple illusions, one a flashlight with a colored lens in the hand of a child and another a reflection of the taillights of a 1959 Chevy Impala..
And UFO photos don’t cut the mustard either. I once had a University student who was a whiz with a camera. He also did all his own photo developing. His lab reports were a thing of beauty, dressed up with spectacular and often bizarre photographs. He could create just about anything. He routinely got an A for creativity but an F for fakery. I’m sure he is now in seventh heaven with digital technology and photoshop.
He had a whole collection of UFO shots. But he also had a bunch of ghostly images too. He always said that a little glycerin on a camera lens or foggy filters in the darkroom could create some of the most ghostly images you could imagine.
Needless to say, I’m not a fan of UFOs. Also no one has ever been able to explain to me where they come from or what they use for an energy source that does not insult my intelligence by conjuring up anti-gravity forces or speed and energy sources that violate all known physical laws
For an alternative view of the subject here is a site you can go to that debunks UFOs. Read it at your peril. It may change your mind.
http://www.debunker.com/ufo.html
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By: jsri on October 17, 2009
at 1:12 PM
Delurker, clarify for MIL that it’s only the premature GOP babies. . . (jayzus, ppl are getting dumber)
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By: Greytdog on October 17, 2009
at 12:38 PM
Snort!
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 17, 2009
at 12:04 PM
So he can eat them….lol.
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By: Claire on October 17, 2009
at 11:47 AM
Today my mother in law told me that she’d been told that Obama is going to kill premature babies when they start rationing health care.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 17, 2009
at 11:41 AM
You might want to contact Harry Reid and tell him to put the Public Option into the final bill too!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/chuck-schumer-public-option-now-harry-reid
Chuck Schumer as a plan but Reid is the only person to make it work.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 17, 2009
at 10:06 AM
We are at a critical point in the health care debate. I hope you can take the time to listen to Keith Olberman and his special report on health care.
He wants all people to have access to the health care his father received this past summer. I feel it is an important message. Please consider watching it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#33217219
Whirled Peas: You truly are amazing!
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 17, 2009
at 9:59 AM
First, I’d like to say that I’m a new blogger, and I was notified by a friend of how great and informative your site is. She’s right on! I put a link on my blogspot page so that everyone can be “enlightened” by you!!!
Health care in America is shameful! My daughter is a hair stylist and her place of work doesn’t offer health care. My granddaughter, her daughter does have health care provided by the State of California, I believe the Health Kids Healthy Famlies program. I recently heard that HFHK program was being cut. I’m not sure if that has taken affect yet, but I worry that if it has, that my 5 year old granddaughter won’t have healthcare either.
And another thing about those that are fortunate to have health care. The majority of us have HMO’s because we can’t affort PPO plans for us and our families. Hey, the politicians don’t have to worry. They all have a PPO and have the luxury of going to any physician that they want. I say the first step is to take away their PPO plans and place them down in the drenches with the rest of us that have these half assed HMO programs were you’re limited to who, where, and how you are treated!
I look forward to more blogs Helen! Thanks.
I remember during the 80’s when I was employed by a software company up in Northern California. Yes, those were the good ol’ days! My company offered only a PPO plan, and I didn’t need to have a “referral” to go see a specialist or top rated doctor. The doctors were more caring and not rushing to get you in an out in their predetermined time frame that is alloted to meet their quota’s and incentive plans. I felt that I was cared for.
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By: Oberservations on October 17, 2009
at 9:52 AM
Tine – yes I second the warning on the bronchial infection It’s really nasty, it lingers and lingers. And unfortunately nothing much touches it. I OD’d on the codeine cough syrup which made me sicker than sick. Now I’m just getting by with Delsym. But it’s been two weeks and I’m still on antibiotics to stave off further lung damage. I hate it.
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By: Greytdog on October 17, 2009
at 9:22 AM
Okay so I don’t know what I saw, it was a UFO though. From here or out there, I can’t say. I was sitting in traffic. Beautiful clear spring day in Florida. And the birds were out – ospreys swirling in the thermals. I tend to forget traffic and get caught up watching the aerial dance of these birds. When. . .there was a bright bright silver object (not a plane) that was there in the blue blue sky (no clouds) and then bam! gone! freaked me out. That night on the news, ABC had a story of similar objects seen over AZ. I told my SO I had seen those and his remark: “You didn’t tell me you were visiting trailer parks today”. But I know what I saw. I just don’t know WHAT it was I saw.
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By: Greytdog on October 17, 2009
at 9:20 AM
Thank you sofia,
That is my intention. Many people have come before me, using forethought and God given intelligence, to state a position I believe to be true. I just get out of the way and let them say it.
Brevity is my…… 😉
~
The Greatest Story Ever Usurped:
Parts 1, 2 & 3
with transcript.
Silence.
Listen.
Learn.
Practice.
Teach.
8) ~ Δ
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 17, 2009
at 8:58 AM
The best material is at the end.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/real-time-new-rules-still-plenty-ridiculou
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 17, 2009
at 8:42 AM
Oh and thanks everyone for not castigating me as a looney for believing in other worldly creatures and saucers.
I just know what I have seen.
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By: CraigΔ on October 17, 2009
at 8:38 AM
Jean,
I’m an Episcopalian.
But practice my own beliefs as in God does not have to dwell in a building for me to have contact with him.
My wife is now an Anglican as she switched because of recent issues in the Episcopal church..for which I could personally care less.
When we moved to west texas she had us try one of these non affiliated new age “come as you are” type churches. Friendly, interesting but they wanted you there Sunday night, Wednesday night and Thursdays they wanted you to form
party clutch groups where you could bowl,play cards just being together.
To me and my wife TOO much togetherness.
Personally..I just like my one on one with my God.
I had an inside view of the business end of religion as my first job after college.
I worked at the Southern Baptist Radio and Television Center in Fort Worth.
We would produce these radio programs that would go out all over the world literally. I personally produced 12 programs in 10 different languages. We had programs for country,rock and easy listening and Old time Baptist.
We had people sending in Prayer requests with money like you wouldn’t believe.
WE had a room and church volunteers that would do nothing but open mail and separate the money and requests and then they would pray over the bulk of the mail for their needs.
Lets just say,a lot of people at the top make a lot of money and the networking system is over the top. I could go on about the institution , but will at another time.
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By: CraigΔ on October 17, 2009
at 8:34 AM
Whirled, I love your way of using very few words to say so very much
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By: hrh sofia eq on October 17, 2009
at 8:08 AM
Congressman Alan Grayson
on Real Time w/ Bill Maher
*scroll for more…
Δ
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 17, 2009
at 7:48 AM
President Obama’s
Weekly Address 10/17/09
As the health insurance reform debate enters into its final stages in Congress, the President denounces the desperate and deceptive last-ditch efforts of the health insurance companies to derail it.
Δ
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 17, 2009
at 6:30 AM
Hi gang and Craig,
With over 3 and a half million hits, it is starting to get a little crowded here on M&H’s porch. But Craig, I think we can scoot over a little and make room for you. Did you bring something edible and some libation to share?
When it comes to specific religious and scientific issues, as well as innumerable other ‘unknowns’, you can just call me a “Casuist”. I simply do not know. I do think it is as arrogant to believe that our itty-bitty planet has the only life form in the Universe, as it was to believe that the sun revolved around our itty-bitty earth.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 17, 2009
at 12:44 AM
okay, minnesotans, did anyone else hear on the news tonight that some of the 4 legged pigs at the state fair caught h1n1 from the 2 legged fairgoers ?
or did i dream that ?
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By: gramma rock on October 16, 2009
at 11:57 PM
Hi gang and Tine,
Thank you for the update on Maria. What a lovely name! One of my favorites.
You know we are sending sending your whole family our warmest, most loving thoughts, on the hour every hour.
Keep us informed.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 16, 2009
at 9:42 PM
I also hope your daughter is feeling better Tine! Some people I know had the virus. It appears that the secondary infection is the worst. Just watch out for the bronchitis-like symptoms and follow doctors’ advice. With your TLC, she will be good in no time.
In regard to UFOs, my daughter and I saw one, once also, one morning, in broad daylight, on my way of driving her and her brother to school. The object was just hovering in one place, making no sound, very close to the trees in the distance. It was shiny like polished aluminium or stainless steel, cigar-shaped in the front, at least what I assumed was the front. We only saw approximately one half of it, the other half being blocked by trees, it was that close to the ground. We saw no windows or wheels of any kind, and it was not moving like one would expect an airplane to move. My daughter and I said in unison: “what is that?” As I turned my head to look at other drivers in disbelief, just to ascertain that they were seeing what we were seeing, the object vanished, just like that, in the blink of an eye. Somebody suggested it might have been a blimp of some sort, but blimps just do not vanish into thin air or do not move that fast out of view. It was a really strange sighting for us. To this day I wonder what it was. I, for sure no longer snicker, when people speak of UFOs.
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By: Easier on October 16, 2009
at 9:36 PM
No one’s puppet, Lori, Auntie Jean, and anyone else who has expressed or thought good thoughts on our behalf…
Thank you.
We still don’t know exactly what Maria has…and it’s driving me nuts that she got sick before the H1N1 vax is available here in MN. But so far so good. It’s the fact that she’s little, and knowing that in the scary cases, there’s often a turnaround after the kid starts improving, that bothers me.
Keep those good thoughts coming, please!
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 16, 2009
at 9:27 PM
Tine, I am sure I am not the only one here concerned about you and your daughter, can’t wait to have you back.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 16, 2009
at 8:38 PM
“In a 2006 television documentary, “Apollo 11: The Untold Story,” Buzz Aldrin admitted for the first time publicly that the astronauts saw UFOs on their trip to the Moon, but they were not allowed to discuss this information on the live audio feed to NASA.”
UFOs on the Moon
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By: Poolman on October 16, 2009
at 8:23 PM
UFOs in the bible:
“The wheels sparkled as if made of chrysolite. All four wheels looked the same; each wheel had a second wheel turning crosswise within it.”
Ezekiel 1:16
“All four wheels looked the same; each wheel had a second wheel turning crosswise within it.”
Ezekiel 10:10
We have seen them in Arizona. When I was a boy I saw them in NM. I have seen them in west Texas. Some say our government has some of them.
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By: Poolman on October 16, 2009
at 7:58 PM
My mother, a firebrand minister and dedicated scientist, believes in UFOs. As she succinctly says, there is so much about life in the natural world that we don’t know & can’t explain, who are we to scoff at folks who tout supernatural or preternatural ideas?
That said, I always wonder why only kids movies are allowed to have nice ETs but adult movies always have scary invasive ETs? Reflection of ourselves, mayhap>?
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By: Greytdog on October 16, 2009
at 7:26 PM
That is EXACTLY my “belief” too peas.
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By: lori on October 16, 2009
at 7:19 PM
I believe in UFOs even though I have never seen one. If it is unidentified, it is flying, and it is object, what else would you call it? Many people have seen them, I assume they have good eyesight and their brains are capable of processing what they saw, some of them no doubt go beyond that and leap to certain conclusions, that they don’t have the facts to support if challenged.
One god visits our home from time to time, whenever something isn’t where I remember placing it, I am ‘certain’ Loki paid us a visit. As hubby and I get older, Loki seems to visit us oftener.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 16, 2009
at 7:10 PM
Hi gang and Bruddah Peas,
Well said and Amen.
Aloha! 🙂 and Namaste
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 16, 2009
at 6:59 PM
I believe in God.
I believe in evolution.
I believe in the scientific method.
I believe thru knowledge we ‘see’ God.
I beleive God created Evolution.
I believe the bible is a book of tales stolen by men from previous religions and used to control an uneducated population thru fear and guilt.
I believe education is the answer and being inquisitive is our dogma. It is ‘how’ evolution manifests itself in humans.
Namasté ~ Δ
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 16, 2009
at 6:34 PM
PS..
I worked for a large military aircraft manufacturer for over twenty years as a Cinematographer and Producer.
Having worked with Test pilots and knowing their reputations. They are not going to say anything that would jeopardize their job.
But one opened up to me and described as being followed by some lights as he was piloting a helicopter back to base at night in 1965 Vietnam.
It shook the entire crew up so bad they determined not to say a word.
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By: CraigΔ on October 16, 2009
at 5:52 PM
Raji
“Craig, since I am one of the few that thinks you rattle the hamster cage for “shits and giggles” I’ll move over and let you scoot in with a chair.”
Thank you for the chair…and a place at the table.
Now tell me the ground rules again. No cursing..Ha! or the “N” word allowed.
I mean I have read the rules somewhere on this blog. I guess I just keep stepping in it by just being me..a “rightee”
I believe in global warming if that helps..but according to the Mayan calendar, In 2012 we will have a lot of other things on our plate to worry about.
Now..I’ll get some *&#% for this..But Jean referred to UFO’s.
Believe me they are real. In december 1967,My brother,mother and I saw one with binoculars as an early morning star that was moving sideways left then right. We first saw it with naked eye looking into the western sky.
When I got the binocs my skin crawled.
It was the perfect saucer shape then a red light came out from beneath it. It maneuvered around and then went below the saucer and then both just shot away.
On top of all this we were 2 miles from a SAC bomber base. No body saw anything or reported such. That would have put this object almost directly over the south end of the runway at about 2000 feet maybe more.
Then again in 2006 I spotted what was becoming a familiar sighting in central Texas that was seen by pilots and police officers. I live in a large west Texas town and was out at 11:00pm.
From right to left this object very low in the shape of a boomerang with 3 glowing soft amber lights in a triangle went from south to north and was low enough I should have heard something but nothing..no sound.
I know the local NBC reporter and she wanted me to be on TV. They found another person who saw same and he went on the air. I politely declined since my wife didn’t need to be paired with a UFO idiot.
They reported that these same lights and shapes had been seen in 1954 time frame and were photographed by some university professors who had been in their backyard when this occurred.
So it made the papers here..and I just kept my mouth shut.
So in summation..we are not alone.
Evolution..who knows maybe we’re just somebody’s petri dish that has gone bad,
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By: CraigΔ on October 16, 2009
at 5:44 PM
UAW-
best wishes my neighbor…
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By: alaskapi on October 16, 2009
at 5:42 PM
One of the things (among many) that most fundamentalist believers refuse to acknowledge is that every culture has a creation myth, a flood myth, and yes, a sacrificial king myth. Every mythology also has the sacred coven (12+1), dragons, maiden, mother, crone. . . Genesis has at least two creation myths without any attempt to reconcile them. The roots of Communion are founded in the sacrificial king myth, whereas the resurrection story can be seen in parallel stories of the Celts.
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By: Greytdog on October 16, 2009
at 1:29 PM
The problem is that the Religious are willing to use faith in place of Science; but Scientists are unwilling to admit the scientific method does not apply to all questions.
When I taught I loved to accuse the Science department of teaching philosophy, and the poorer teachers did not understand that being a “scient-ist” is to adopt a world view, or philosophy, to test truth.
This world view is very recent, and has only been dominant in parts of the world for a very few years. In some parts it has never dominated. Even in the US it has not dominated for more than a century.
Kierkegaard argued that some things were appropriate for science, and the scientific method should apply. But for those things for which it does not apply, other standards of belief should be appropriate.
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By: tomgnh on October 16, 2009
at 1:13 PM
Delurker Girl, I am a bad Catholic,but I’ve always beleived that when God said “let there be light” one of the syllables could be expressed mathematically as e=mc(squared). Attempting to use Genesis or any other part of the bible to rival science, will stop rational people from taking the Bible seriously. Biblical literalism hinders people from seeing and responding to the truths in scriptures that are metaphorical, poetic, literary, ethical and wise. Biblical literalism brings not only the Bible, but Christianity itself into disrepute.
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By: geezer mom on October 16, 2009
at 12:42 PM
I’ve been MAIMed! As in, I asked someone a question and they replied “yes maim”
You all were talking about getting ma’am-ed. Now I think that would be preferable!
Helen & Margaret, we miss you!
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 16, 2009
at 10:57 AM
Kitkat, I hope you’re feeling much better!
I agree that it’s possible to believe that God is the reason science works the way it does. In fact, I do.
The hardest thing to reconcile on the evolution theory -vs- creation is that the Bible says God created Adam, and from Adam He created Eve. It doesn’t say that He created ape like pre-human creatures that eventually evolved into humans. Even if you view the creation account as figurative rather than literal, it is awfully hard to make those two ideas work together.
How do non-Christian religions view evolution? Do we have smart people here who can summarize for us? I have honestly never thought about it and now I’m curious.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 16, 2009
at 10:16 AM
kitkat sending all “chicken soup” feelings your way… ;-( get better soon…..
and I of course agree with your post….
I do have one q when you are up to answering it of course….. do you think MOST people in this country can’t differentiate the two or a small minority?
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By: lori on October 16, 2009
at 9:53 AM
Hello all. Been out of commission since Sunday with the H1N1 flu and was really looking forward to a new M&H post to lift my spirits. *Sigh* Had to console myself by reading your comments instead.
I also do not understand why people can’t believe in a higher power and evolution, as I think evolution is just the method of creation which a higher power could use. I think most scientists would agree with that and many religions also find the two compatible.
I teach anthropology, and the way I explain it to students is that science explains the natural while religion explains the supernatural. We aren’t saying who created the natural process, but we are explaining how nature works – gravity, evolution, etc. I would say the biggest problem I find that students have is not separating the two but in thinking that there is a direction or goal behind evolution. They often think that an organism is striving to become something else.
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By: kitkatΔ on October 16, 2009
at 9:27 AM
In 2004, in Grantsburg, WI, the school board considered teaching alternative theories of origins. They received a letter signed by 188 pastors of various churches across the state. The letter ended thusly: “The theory of evolution is a foundational scientific finding, one that has stood up to over a century of rigorous scrutiny. To reject the theory of eveolution, or treat it as one theory among others, is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and to transmit that ignorence to our children.”
It is not often that I feel able to contribute something to the discussion that hasn’t been said before. Thank you and Good Morning!
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By: geezer mom on October 16, 2009
at 7:42 AM
Margaret,I know we have not heard from you in a while and I am guessing it is because of the
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/252466/wed-october-14-2009-barbara-ehrenreich
the Franklin anti-rape bill
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By: Vie on October 16, 2009
at 7:16 AM
On evolution and religion…..
Just sneaking down into the parlor late tonight.
Might enjoy a small piece of pie and then give my dogs a quick late night walk.
When I was very young, I remember singing a song with these words……
“I am a Promise. I am a Possibility. I am a Promise. With a capital P. I am a great, big bundle of Potentiality!”
Those words have always led me to think that abortion and euthanasia are not what they are all cracked up to be. I know we evolve as humans, but the element of life and the beauty it holds is where my mind finds conflict.
I guess now that I’m older, I see that the potential for a peaceful planet lies within each of us.
Good night all.
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By: vgmanΔ on October 16, 2009
at 1:25 AM
Hi gang,
I personally have never had a problem reconciling science and religion. Who are WE mortal humans to question what METHOD God, Yahweh, Allah or Vishnu used? Since the Diety loves us enough to give us life in the first place, that’s good enough for me.
Nighty-night all and sleep well.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 16, 2009
at 12:22 AM
We need you to go out to stump for healthcare!
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By: Kel on October 16, 2009
at 12:02 AM
poolman just when I thought they couldnt sink any lower
lori bottoms up!
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 15, 2009
at 9:43 PM
Okay, we’re turning into a state of crazies down here in Arizona. Not only are our senators worthless, our representatives have started howling at the moon… 🙄
The new McCarthyism
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By: Poolman on October 15, 2009
at 8:37 PM
are u real ??ppl??
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By: windwhisperer on October 15, 2009
at 7:56 PM
Points well taken Anne about global warming. People are hard to convince when their mind is made up. Look how long it took to convince some humans the earth was not flat. At work today, some of my colleagues were talking about how people keep talking about global warming and they are hard-pressed to find any sign of it. Winter is sure coming in early this year! No warming here for sure! I decided that it was not worth my time to chime in. Really!
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By: Easier on October 15, 2009
at 7:19 PM
Hi gang,
I don’t know about you but I was glued to CNN on TV this morning with the account of the little 6-year-old boy possibly riding around alone in a balloon over the Northern Colorado skies. Fortunately, the story had a happily-ever-after-ending. Poor kid. He knew he was gonna be in big trouble so hid in the attic.
I can identify with his family, having raised three sons. That’s what little boys do!!! None of ours ever did anything quite that dramatic however.
I rarely spend that much time watching TV but it was of special interest to me because I was born in Boulder, Colorado and raised in Fort Collins. Except for visits to my family way back when, I haven’t spent very much time there since I went away to college. It was fun seeing a little of the familiar terrain and hearing once again the Colorado Western Twang accent. Naturally, I was not aware that there WAS an accent until I had been gone for a long time.
I was further impressed with how quickly the local officials and agencies mobilized along with the military and military technology to track the balloon and resolve the situation. In my estimation, that’s what the military does best. SAVE lives if they can.
Aloha! 🙂 Lokahii and Namaste!
Auntie Jean
P. S. Oh, yeah. The tabloids and the conspiracy theorists will get busy claiming that it was really a UFO and that an alien family á lá ET, were just building a spacecraft so they could ‘go home’. Of course, the conservatives will scream about how much money and resources were expended on the rescue effort.
I for one found it a welcome respite for a few hours from the war in Afghanistan, the wrangling over the Health Care Bill and all the other burning issues of the day.
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 15, 2009
at 6:52 PM
Alright. That took 24 hrs to show up. Thought I would show off my other grandson. 😀
I have no problem with science and my religion. I see both evolution and creation. Science will prove the existence of God. I do believe man was certainly created as “man”. But who’s to say where things could have developed before that. I’ve seen results from “survival of the fittest” – adapting to a changed environment, natural selection, etc. I got no problem with carbon dating. God owns time, we are the ones that are still grasping for a handle on the concept.
I hope others are starting to see a turn in this government. I see signs of improvement. I know I want to see it work, so I may be looking through smudged glasses a bit. But I think there is a lot of positive progression toward turning this thing back around and back to our control. We got plenty of work ahead, but I am starting to sense the creaks and groans of buried bureaucratic layers seeing daylight for the first time in decades. All to be dusted off and analyzed and trimmed of the deadwood. Combined, streamlined, digitized, and modernized. This government “machine” needs to be leaner and much more efficient to work for us.
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By: Poolman on October 15, 2009
at 6:47 PM
UAW, May God bless you and your wife. May His Spirit comfort and protect you both. May His guidance, wisdom, and healing flow through the physicians and nurses to your precious wife, I pray.
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By: Poolman on October 15, 2009
at 6:16 PM
I personally don’t understand the conflict between science & religion, but then again, my physics professor was also an ordained minister as well as a respected theologian. And he was like a kid when he would talk about quantum physics! he would just light up – and discuss theology with the same enthusiasm.
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By: Greytdog on October 15, 2009
at 5:44 PM
Greytdog, thanks for the “snickers”. Good grief, what next?
Craig, since I am one of the few that thinks you rattle the hamster cage for “shits and giggles” I’ll move over and let you scoot in with a chair. Please be a good boy and don’t spill your milk on the table or drop your piece of pie on the floor. We clean up after you way too often 😉
President Obama has finally gone to New Orleans to see just what has NOT happened! I read a fantastic photojournalist’s book called “One of Us” by Chris Usher.
Quotes from the forward: “On August 28, 2005 I set out from DC to cover Katrina for Time magazine. What I thought would be a three or four day assignment turned into a three week experience that affected me profoundly….I knew this was a story that needed to be documented, not just covered and so, “One of Us’ was born….I’ve revisited the gulf coast six times….and spent two months driving across the US in search of evacuees who have not yet returned home….the recovery effort is slow and inefficient… I encourage you to visit the gulf coast and see it with your own eyes.”
From “One of Us” :Quotes from Danny Kattan, March 27, 2007 : I’ve probably demolished maybe sixty or seventy houses now myself…everything I do here involves people’s emotions….every house has a story to tell….you can see where they raised generation after generation…they’ve got pictures ..that were full of mold and had water lines on them and to see that stuff going to the dumpsters, you know it’s really hard..it really is hard”
“Like the dust bowl of the 1930’s…Katrina was a cataclysmic natural disaster that forced hundreds of thousands of Americans to migrate across the country or stay and suffer with little or no help….”
http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=13450&pq-locale=en_US&_requestid=434
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By: Raji on October 15, 2009
at 5:31 PM
Although grateful that the funds exist, massive public safety funds were expended today to try to save a 6 year old little boy. The boy who turned out to be hiding because he thought that he would get in a lot of trouble once people started looking for him.
However, we have no public funds or options for a 3rd grade little girl to save her from the very real threat of her heart condition.
Something is wrong with this picture. Which child was in reality in more danger. Not saying that if you believe the boy was in the balloon, we should not do everything to look. But in reality the threat was greater for the little girl and she paid the price.
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By: Alaskan on October 15, 2009
at 5:15 PM
Dr Rowan Williams, head of the Church of England and leader of the worldwide Anglican communion, told an audience at Southwark Cathedral that people had allowed themselves to become “addicted to fantasies about prosperity and growth, dreams of wealth without risk and profit without cost”.
The consequences of such a lifestyle meant the human soul was “one of the foremost casualties of environmental degradation”.
The little boy did not fly away – he was hiding in the attic. However, a little 3rd grade girl at my grandson’s school died of a heart condition – sad.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 15, 2009
at 5:06 PM
The scientific method requires that theories be observable, repeatable, and verifiable. Belief, on the other hand, is a leap of faith. Some people are capable of faith and others like me seem incapable of conviction in something intangible. I don’t rule out any religious belief, but I am waiting for proof. I respect all people who are moral and altruistic, if they are religious terrific for them, but don’t try to convince me that morality and religiosity are synonymous, I know better.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 15, 2009
at 4:33 PM
PSU…. let’s form a seach party! I wouldn’t mind finding it either… I have a college tuition due here soon.. LOL hell forget the dang kid lets just use it for margaritas ..;-)
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By: lori on October 15, 2009
at 3:42 PM
Anne surmises: Americans, unfortunately, have a dismissive attitude when it comes to science. They don’t believe in anything they can’t see themselves, and don’t believe the experts who know what they’re talking about. Science is not a matter of opinion.
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I am an American and I “believe” in both evolution and global warming( and I believe in GOD… amazing eh?) and can even grasp science! LOL Please do not lump me in with the wingnuts…
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By: lori on October 15, 2009
at 3:39 PM
darn, I heard about this so called ‘Obama stash’ but cant seem to find it
can someone direct me to it? I could sure use some extra stash in my life these days
/sarcasm
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 15, 2009
at 3:13 PM
People who don’t believe in global warming are as annoying to me as people who don’t believe in evolution. Americans, unfortunately, have a dismissive attitude when it comes to science. They don’t believe in anything they can’t see themselves, and don’t believe the experts who know what they’re talking about. Science is not a matter of opinion. When 95% of science agree on something, we should be focused on that, not the 5% who don’t agree. If your doctor said to you, “There is a 95% chance you will die of cancer if you don’t stop smoking,” do you say, “You’re not 100% sure? Then I’ll keep smoking.” Global warming does not mean the entire planet will get warmer. It means some parts will get warmer and some parts will get cooler (especially when that convection current in the Atlantic stops rotating and Euope freezes…again). Some parts will suffer from droughts while others will be flooded. Already the monsoons are coming earlier and heavier. Drought in Africa and California is extending. The argument that the temperture changes are due only to the wobble of the earth’s axis is invalid. Those changes are known and predictable, and the rising temperatures cannot be explained by them alone. The age of the carbon in the atmosphere can be measured, and it’s coming from the burning of fossile fules. Air bubbles in ancient ice cores show the history of carbon in the atmosphere. Whenever there’s been more, it’s been hotter. And there’s never been as much in the atmosphere as there is now.
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By: Anne on October 15, 2009
at 2:57 PM
Our classy president:
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 15, 2009
at 2:56 PM
May I have a seat at the table…?
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By: CraigΔ on October 15, 2009
at 2:35 PM
UAW
Many of us here on this post have already been down the road you are now traveling. I lost a brother just last week. And there are almost as many ways of dealing with the resulting chaos and confusion as there are posters here. But please don’t forget to take care of yourself because you will also find that there are other family members or friends who will be depending on you for strength and support.
While there are many issues on which we might disagree, in this common experience that most of us have shared, we wish you and your wife the very best.
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By: jsri on October 15, 2009
at 2:33 PM
Wow, Joe, that balloon story is all over the place! The balloon was brought down empty. They’re looking for the boy on the ground, thinking he was never in the balloon, though there were people who swore they saw him in it, and said the basket was swinging wildly, yet they say they say he didn’t fall out. So many contradictions, I imagine from constantly interviewing people at the scene who probably don’t actually KNOW anything.
Sure hope he’s OK!
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 15, 2009
at 2:29 PM
talk about a bad day
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_101509_news_balloon_boy_colorado.21cbbe78e.html
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 15, 2009
at 1:55 PM
For your Thursday snickers:
(h/t to http://www.themudflats.net)
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By: Greytdog on October 15, 2009
at 11:36 AM
Brillant Raji! Thinking about you and your wife at this time UAW, I am so sorry her treatment wasn’t sucessful.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 15, 2009
at 11:25 AM
Jean, I do get up at 5:25 but I think the posting time on this blog must be PT. With dial-up it behooves one to get on the internet early 😉
UAW,If one doesn’t buy into Global Warming, couldn’t one at least buy into cleaning up our environment? One can not argue that auto emissions pollute the air we breath. What do you think causes Code Orange Days in the summer?
Destroying our rain forests causes erosion as well as adding to global warming, Can you buy into that belief?
Does anyone here take their garbage to the local dump or what is really a transfer station. Have you looked at the amount of garbage that is going to be transferred to the ocean? How does this effect our water and the creatures that have to live in that environment?
A doctor on NPR recently was discussing the valid reasons for getting the H1N1 vaccine. People were calling in with their concerns. His comment was there are 80,000 chemicals floating around in your environment, why be concerned only about one vaccine?
We all need to be aware of what we breathe and eat and drink and do our part to keep our environment as clean as possible.
So if you don’t want to spend time thinking about Global Warming as JuneauJoe so well stated in his posts, at least spend time thinking about your own back yard and in return you will have helped those who want to think about Global Warming.
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By: Raji on October 15, 2009
at 10:32 AM
Thanks Grandma Katie:
The Lower Yukon River Delta 20 years ago was permafrost. It was frozen permanently a foot below the surface. Now, the whole Yukon River has no permafrost – gone.
The yuPik people told me it used to be 40 and 50 below zero in the winter. Today, it is 15 to 30 below zero – which one YuPik told me was warm. He attributed it to Global Warming.
In the village where I was, I was told of bugs which they had not seen before. It was even 100 degrees one day two summers ago. This is an area where 75 degrees is considered hot.
The YuPik people live off the land. They hunt moose, fish for salmon, walrus and even whale. If they do not get the game, they die. They also pay $8.00 for gasoline and home heating oil.
Impacts on climate are actually killing people in the villages if the truth be known.
We need to get away from I can dump anything into the air and water because I am an American.
The US has 5% of the world population but we make 25% of the pollution. I think we need to get real about the choices we make.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 15, 2009
at 10:22 AM
UAW there are really no words to express the pain that you and your wife are going through at this time. All of our thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.
Namaste (The light inside me honors the light inside you)
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By: Raji on October 15, 2009
at 10:12 AM
JuneauJoe – Just realied how much I have missed your posts. A voice of reason.
Keep posting about gloal warming and maybe you might get it through some thick heads IT IS HAPPENING!
UAW my thought “s are with you and your wife. Been down that road and it wasn”t nice.
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By: Grandma Katie on October 15, 2009
at 9:29 AM
Here is the entire article about attittudes of people towards Global Warming.
Six Americas of Climate Change
Do spend some time thinking about Global Warming and what the earth and atmosphere will be like in 50 years if we do nothing. We can ignore this topic but future generations will suffer if we do.
Have a good day folks!
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 15, 2009
at 9:09 AM
*coloring books… for all the spell checkers out there.. 😉
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By: lori on October 15, 2009
at 9:06 AM
UAW,
You and your wife are in our prayers. Bless you for your devotion to her.
By the way, the Pacific ocean has warmed up a degree or two. We are seeing fish and marine life in Puget Sound and off the coast of Washington that do not normally show up in “cold” water areas.
As to Global warming, I just want some one from the Republican side to explain to me why it would not be wiser all the way around to cap emissions, stop cutting down the rain forests, stop drilling for oil, ect. If we are wrong about global warming, we will still have improved our planet for our children and their children. If we are right, well then we have not waited until it is too late……
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By: MiKat on October 15, 2009
at 8:59 AM
Tine……. pop cycles… slushies….”croop” tents-forts ( a tent on the floor with a vaporizor)…. books and songs, cloring books and crayons… 😉 She will be fine in no time….
Get some rest when she rests… let the house go and order in lots of pizza, ( and some red wine doesn’t hurt) …
kisses and huggggggs your way… xoxoxoxo
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By: lori on October 15, 2009
at 8:56 AM
There are different audiences who have different beliefs about Global Warming. Here is a breakdown of where people stand.
What I find alarming is this: 23% are disengaged or doubtful about Global Warming: WHAT IF THESE PEOPLE ARE WRONG! IF ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY IS BASED ON THOSE DOUBTFUL – we would ruin the environment for our children and grandchildren. (This was the case during the Bush years.)
The Alarmed (18%) are fully convinced of the reality and seriousness of climate change and are al-
ready taking individual, consumer, and political action to address it. The Concerned (33%) – the
largest of the six Americas – are also convinced that global warming is happening and a serious
problem, but have not yet engaged the issue personally. Three other Americas – the Cautious (19%),
the Disengaged (12%) and the Doubtful (11%) – represent different stages of understanding and ac-
ceptance of the problem, and none are actively involved. The final America – the Dismissive (7%)
– are very sure it is not happening and are actively involved as opponents of a national effort to re-
duce greenhouse gas emissions.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 15, 2009
at 8:54 AM
My heart goes out to you and your wife UAW. It’s a tough time in your journey….. I wish I had the magic wand to make all your heartache go away.
Alas, all I have is my positive energy that I most certainly am sending your way, and have since I heard about your wife’s condition. Please tell her I have her in my mind and am wishing all the best….namaste
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By: lori on October 15, 2009
at 8:52 AM
Global warming blog day! Get informed about Global Warming.
http://crooksandliars.com/bluegal/climate-change-getting-public-involved
I have seen the massive fires caused by drought in CA. I have seen an Alaskan Village which is suffering because of lack of fish and flooding last spring. Polar Bears do not have ice bergs to swim to anymore. Breast fed Babies just weeks old are testing with chemicals in their bodies. We are polluting our earth foiks.
Cheney/Bush ignored the science for 8 years. It is past time to make changes on environmental policy. We should thank Al Gore..
UAWL Sorry about your wife. ( HoweverL Your ideas are wrong to the point of being dangerous.)
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 15, 2009
at 8:13 AM
UAW,
I too wish your wife well and have been here the whole time to know how tough it has been for you. Our neighbor is going through a similar situation and I know how difficult it can be for everyone involved.
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By: Alaskan on October 15, 2009
at 7:05 AM
UAW: So terribly sorry. I’ve been there and it’s so hard. All I can say is that your wife is fortunate to have you with her through the ordeal. I admire you for your devotion and character.
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By: Donna on October 15, 2009
at 6:00 AM
Hi gang and jsri,
Heck no, jsri, I’m not about to scroll through your post about Genetics. In fact I read it twice.
We have a pretty intelligent and sophisticated crowd here who I think would be interested in your input. For sure, inbreeding probably didn’t do much for the Egyptians and definitely not for the Royalty in Europe with Hemophilia.
I don’t pretend any expertise in “Memetics” except that I have been doing some interesting reading; i.e., Richard Dawkins, who coined the term. Yes, it is a fairly new science and as such, quite controversial. A lot of it is based on Evolution, which gives the Creationists hissy-fits.
But I do think we could benefit from your experience in telling us about basics, such as the difference between ‘dominant’ and ‘recessive’ genes and how they work.
Thanks.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 15, 2009
at 12:58 AM
Hi gang and JuneauJoe,
Glad you’re back!!! You were sorely missed. We need your input.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 15, 2009
at 12:32 AM
Hi gang and UAW,
I am so very sorry your wife’s health has not improved. Just know that all of us here at M&H, regardless of our political leanings, care about both of you. We will give you all the love and support we possibly can. All you have to do is ask. We are here for you.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 15, 2009
at 12:28 AM
Oh and by the way, it didn’t take me 10 minutes to fact check. The posts were one right after the other. There is such a thing as time to upload. The time stamp says 3:14pm and I wasn’t even home at that time Pacific Time, so the time stamp isn’t anything that you can go by.
I like to have dialogue and I even like the term asshat. So have at it.
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By: Alaskan on October 14, 2009
at 11:36 PM
UAW,
I didn’t call you a liar. I simply said that you can’t believe everything you read, hear or watch on You Tube. The You Tube audio had a very obvious slant. In fact most information to be gathered from this situation is from right wing blogs. Very few reports from news media.
The problems arose from the City’s inability to handle the application process and crowds. The money was stimulus money to help homeless and near homeless. It was not “Obama’s Money”. If residents didn’t know what it was about, then how is that the President’s fault? In fact, even the article that you cite states it was “Detroit’s botched handling”.
The right wing blogs that have been commenting on this incident upplay the ignorant people. Many of the sound bites on the news were rational people that knew why there were there. In fact the blog sites were even offensively racist.
But thanks for calling me an asshat. That is what many here have been talking about for so long is that the name calling is what is not appropriate. I believe that I said, please don’t believe everything you read and hear. Which sounds very different than calling you a liar. Good discussion though.
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By: Alaskan on October 14, 2009
at 11:33 PM
Our Children have to breathe the air and drink the polluted waters which we are making today!
http://crooksandliars.com/bluegal/open-thread-259
We wasted 8 years with CHENEY/BUSH on ignoring Global Warming! It is way past time to take Global Warming the destruction of our environment seriously!
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 14, 2009
at 9:45 PM
Arguing with a person who ignores the realities is not worth my time or effort.
It is kind of like wrestling a skunk. I could surely win but I would have to smell the stink in the process.
It makes sense to have higher mileage cars, cut usage of coal for generating power and to limit the crap we put into the air.
People have done some awful things (to save money) to power our world. We even started a war (Iraq) for oil.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 14, 2009
at 9:18 PM
Jean: Get out your reading glasses and get your scroll wheel under control
Sorry but my fly-bys lately have been quickies. I have a new volunteer activity that keeps me hopping so I have only enough time to skim what is happening and to respond to a troll or two if I get amply irritated.
In one of your posts you indicated that you ‘would like to have a little discussion about “Memetics” somewhere along the line, but first, there needs to a brief refresher course in “Genetics” ‘. You point out that “Memetics” are similar to “Genetics” in that they are CULTURAL traits handed down from one generation to another . . . “
As far as memetics is concerned, I know little. Just reading about it gives me a brain ache. Also. attempts to define its processes has led to camps that seem to be at odds with one another in a big way. So, since I know next to nothing about it. I’ll stay away from it. But I think the general premise is pretty well accepted. However, unlike the transmission of DNA from generation to generation that may on rare occasions be subject to change through mutation, I believe that “memes” can be acculturated and altered by each generation they pass through.
As for genetics, I’m probably not the most competent person to discuss these issues. I’ve been out of the field for so long most of the new stuff is nothing more than a haze. The field has moved so far from where I was when I was teaching to be almost incomprehensible. But I remember enough basic stuff to point out that your statement about “what lengths we humans will go to in order to change our genetic makeup” describes only the lengths we go to “cover up our genetic makeup” because we cannot truly change it. At present, in order to change our genetic makeup, we would have to alter the structure of our DNA in such a fashion that the changes would be passed on to the next generation. Although that is virtually impossible, it is this area where much human genetics research is comcentrated and it is only a matter of time before such DNA alteration becomes commonplace. My only problem with the concept is that when you look at how traits of show animals have been manipulated by selective breeding, do we need humans to go down a similar path? Do we really want immobile humans with thin thumbs for texting and a rectangular eye for reading mobile phone screens?
Early in the study of genetics there was a theory that acquired characteristics (for example tanned skin) could be passed on to the next generation. Some people still believe that. But our understanding of Mendelian genetics put that theory to rest over a century ago.
Blogging ones way through a genetics course could be tedious but if you have specific Q’s probably I could answer them.
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By: jsri on October 14, 2009
at 8:58 PM
I’m starting to tear up….thanks
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 8:47 PM
tine…
apparently you feel that global warming is man made and others believe it is natural…..but the real question is is taxing carbon going to help or just make Gore richer
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 8:41 PM
UAW, I’m holding you and your wife in my thoughts.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 14, 2009
at 8:37 PM
UAW, keeping you both close in thoughts & prayers. PS if you need to vent or just release, go to my blog. my email is there. Been through the hospice experience. Take care, okay? You’re a good man, Charlie Brown 🙂 Hugs to your wife.
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By: Greytdog on October 14, 2009
at 8:25 PM
Oh Dear God in heaven, uaw, my prayers are with you and your wife.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 14, 2009
at 8:18 PM
More talk radio frustration. It seems Obama has managed to get a bill passed by the senate finance committee that even unions don’t support! The dems must be quaking in their boots!
Duh, the unions, and even dems, are struggling to get behind a bill that is by definition not liberal enough! Scared? They say that like the that senate bill was too liberal. Uh, not! Let the negoatiations begin!
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 14, 2009
at 8:11 PM
greytdog…
thanks for asking
hospice has been mentioned and her oncologist said he can’t do anymore and tommorow we have an appointment at the Karmanos cancer center in Detroit
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 8:07 PM
“there are a lot of scientists that disagree with global warming…”
Depends on what you consider “a lot.” Yes, they might fill my living room. Maybe even my whole house. But they comprise approximately 1% (probably less, actually) of the scientific community.
You can call me a liar if you want, but I’ve read the raw research and have delved deeply into the theories of climate skeptics. There are reasons to disagree about specific details but there is NO significant disagreement on the overall reality of anthropogenic climate change. The loudest skeptics are cherrypicking uncertainties and blowing them wildly out of proportion.
As for the the newly thriving forests of Greenland… IMO this fact hardly makes up for the death and destruction already being wrought by climate change. And it’s only going to get worse. A lot worse.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 14, 2009
at 8:06 PM
no Juneaujo……
there are a lot of scientists that disagree with global warming (scientists not politicians)……if you think that people with PHD’s are idiots then I guess I can call people with PHD’s idiots also….so what is the natural temp of the world supposed to be????
“Greenland has been on the cusp of agriculture since the 16th century. Before this, agriculture was practiced by Viking settlers. Then came the “Little Ice Age” of the 16th century, wiping out Norse settlers and dooming agriculture in the region. But temperatures have been rising steadily since the 80s, and farming may soon be possible.” and “One of these forests, Qanasiassat, is beginning to thrive according to caretaker Poul Bjerge. Long since dormant, the pine trees in this forest have begun to show new growth.”
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/ecology/greenland-is-green-again/392
now if we’re getting into opinions then I believe that the only thing taxing carbon is going to do is make Al Gore richer
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 7:54 PM
Thanks for your good thoughts, Jean. Maria actually seems sicker tonight than she was this afternoon, so the comfort is much appreciated!
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 14, 2009
at 7:26 PM
Hi gang and Tine,
I do hope your little one only has the usual childhood big sniffles. They can be awfully scary at the onset.
Give her plenty of fluids and mommy TLC, which we all know you can deliver beautifully.
Please keep us posted. We grandmas are worryworts.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 14, 2009
at 7:14 PM
Hi gang and Raji at 4:25A,
Raji, You’re up at 4:25 AM??? Just kidding. I know something about time zone differences. We get phone calls from people who don’t, at all odd hours.
Points well taken in Robert Naimen’s article. Thanks for putting it up.
A mercernary is a mercenary is a mercenary. Remember Blackwater?
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 14, 2009
at 7:02 PM
Just one question: UAW, how’s your wife?
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By: Greytdog on October 14, 2009
at 6:35 PM
Grandma Katie:
The rain here in Oregon is warm compared to AK.
We have a real fall with trees changing colors.
Global Warming is real! Trtying to pull the CHENEY/BUSH crap of denial of facts just shows the stupidity of the Cheney/Bush followers.
Scientists have proven beyond a doubt that GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL and the opportunity to turn it around is about to pass.
ANYONE WHO SAYS WE HAVE NO GLOBAL WARMING IS A FOOL AND AN IDIOT!
Think Carbon Footprint!
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 14, 2009
at 5:50 PM
JuneauJoe – have had a couplle of fabulous days . hope you are having the same!It rained here! fabulous. I thought it had forgotten how.
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By: Grandma Katie on October 14, 2009
at 5:24 PM
alaskan…
apparently it took you 10 min to do a little fact-checking….but first you called me a liar…..Asshat
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 4:41 PM
http://detnews.com/article/20091011/OPINION03/910110312/Rush-ing-to-judgment–National-commentators-don-t-understand-Detroit-s-plight
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 4:27 PM
Global Warming 101 | Union of Concerned Scientists http://bit.ly/AOwMJ
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By: Greytdog on October 14, 2009
at 3:57 PM
UAW,
Somehow you missed the reports with perfectly rational sounding people talking about the faults in the system and chaos being the City of Detroits problem in not handling the crowds and organization of the facility well.
Yes, there are some who don’t even know what they are signing up for, but there were others who were very well informed that they were signing up for stimulus programs to help them stay out of foreclosure. Foreclosure is not good for anyone in the economy right now because the shady home loans and deregulation of wall street are what created the mess in the first place.
So please don’t blame it all on a couple of well chosen sound bites that make everyone seem ignorant. You can always find data to support your slant. That goes for both sides. How about you present the full picture before you trash just one side?
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By: Alaskan on October 14, 2009
at 3:24 PM
UAW,
The link posted about Obama Stash doesn’t even make any sense. It is an unauthored audio clip with no facts and no references. Are you to believe it is “for real”, just because they say it in graphics? WTF
Do some fact checking and don’t believe everything you hear or read. People sounding ignorant doesn’t mean that you are proving your point.
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By: Alaskan on October 14, 2009
at 3:14 PM
Limbaugh is being dropped from the group he’s in that’s attempting to buy the St. Louis Rams.
That’s right folks, THE EGO HAS LANDED! He FAILED!
I can’t even imagine what that hate monger will have to say about the ungrateful n—-rs he thought he had a chance to OWN. You know… make things as good as they were when this country was founded and all.
Such a happy day. Small wins!
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 14, 2009
at 3:06 PM
poolman…
I didn’t like the report when I heard it on WJR either but it did happen(Obama’s stash)
maybe we should also cut out the waste and fraud in education and put the money in healthcare…education has sure failed in Detroit(different reports have a dropout range of 35% to 65%)
NEW EDUCATION PROGRAM
MR.DROPOUT MEET MR.HOE HANDLE
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 2:40 PM
greytdog?????
atmospheric weather patterns???????
“Crawford also said sea temperatures in the tropical Atlantic are cooler, by about 2 degrees Fahrenheit (1.12 degrees Celsius) on average, than the blistering seasons of 2004,”
a 2 degree drop in the atlantic is an atmospheric condition?????
it sounds like a hell-of-a drop in BTU energy to me…
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 2:26 PM
Yes, Palin’s picture was appropriate next to the meaning of WATB. I clicked on the site for her book and Newsmax is selling it for $8.95, or you get it free with a subscription to Newsmax. Sounds like they’re realling trying to run up the number “sold,” as opposed to read.
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By: Junebug on October 14, 2009
at 2:09 PM
Good point, Dawn. 😉
And speaking of fever & coughing, etc… Could I trouble my friends here to think good thoughts for my 3-year-old?
She’s coming down with something that has the earmarks of flu. And she’s had the seasonal flu shot, so I can’t stop thinking (and worrying) about H1N1. 😦
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 14, 2009
at 2:08 PM
On watb, I love how Sarah Palin’s picture was right next to the definition. Probably not on purpose, but hilarious just the same.
I think she is the poster child for “she can dish it out, but not take it.”
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By: Alaskan on October 14, 2009
at 1:51 PM
uaw tradesman, that pigstv video is hilarious! 😆
The other one, not so much.
Expect more extreme weather, both cold and hot, as time progresses. Also look to the earth’s magnetic field interfering with climate, too.
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By: Poolman on October 14, 2009
at 1:41 PM
Haven’t been here for awhile. Interesting posts.
“The Khyber Pass between the two countries has been CONTROLLED by outside forces for a time; going all the way back to Alexander the Great and up to the British Empire and Russia. However, NONE have ever been able to subdue the tribal peoples of that rugged area. I don’t know why we think we can. By military force anyway. ” from Jean’s post.
EXACTLY!!! What are we doing there? For humdreds of years, the tribal people have ruled. What makes us think we can change anything especially if Karzai’s govt is as corrupt as it sounds. An Iranian coworker stated when all this started we went to the wrong country in the 1st place. He thought Iran should be the place to start. Don’t know about that…
No One’s Puppet, thanks for the book recommendation on Bin Laden.
Tine, Careful about the “grrrs” when thinking about insurance companies as your blood pressure will go up, and next thing you know you’ll be without insurance.
Please everyone, wash your hands, sneeze into your sleeves and if you get fever, chills, body aches etc take fever reducers, drink A LOT of liquids, and REST. If you develop a troubling cough, have trouble keeping fluids down seek medical attention.
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By: Dawn on October 14, 2009
at 1:37 PM
So we all assume that folks who won’t be named are “trolls” because they like to come here, seem reasonable, then start spewing, then start whining. . . they’re not trolls. They’re WATBs. http://bit.ly/1t0RL4
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By: Greytdog on October 14, 2009
at 1:22 PM
UAW, please stop mistaking atmospheric weather patterns for climate change/global warming.
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By: Greytdog on October 14, 2009
at 1:07 PM
think global warming
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/october.cold.record.2.1247099.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE59D2UK20091014
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 12:01 PM
LOL @ all of you lima bean lovers! I think the texture is a big part of why I don’t like them. But I DO like okra, fried or pickled. Different strokes for different folks!
Dying to hear M&H’s take on the Nobel Peace Prize…
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By: Claire on October 14, 2009
at 11:38 AM
this is funny
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 11:26 AM
Here is the best information I have seen on Health Care Reform and the public option.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/chuck-schumer-public-option-now-harry-reid
CALIFORNIA – Drought: Think Global Warming.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 14, 2009
at 10:36 AM
ccleaner erased name sorry
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By: uaw tradesman on October 14, 2009
at 10:12 AM
what California needs to do is watch Detroit and get some money from Obama’s stash….
Yes we have our own woman governor…..but hopefully not for long…. maybe she’ll pull a Palin(I keep hoping)
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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2009
at 10:05 AM
Hi Grandma Katie,
Hope your day is going well. I am goofing off in Oregon. WE have rain in OR too. I must say, CA needs rain, Lake Shasta had almost no water in it – sorry sight actually.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 14, 2009
at 9:34 AM
thymeCher – heard another of Meg Whitman’s ads this am. does she think she is Superwoman who is going to redo California immediately?
WE have suffered through several years of the Terminator and look how well he did. anyhow Ithink we have another Sarah Paln on our hands.
Oh happy day! It has rained a bit, at leasst here we haven’t had heavy rain like further north. waS beginning to think it had forgotten h ow to rain!!
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By: Grandma Katie on October 14, 2009
at 8:44 AM
Enjoy
http://www.thejoymovie.com/
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By: Greytdog on October 14, 2009
at 6:08 AM
Good article, well worth reading.Robert Naimen’s view.
“In particular, if it’s true that 70% of the insurgency consists of “$10-a-day Taliban,” as a Senate report estimates, that suggests that we could make deals with (at least) 70% of the insurgency. Suppose that these deals cost us $20 per day, per fighter, and that there are 15,000 Taliban fighters overall. Then a deal with 70% of the insurgency would cost $210,000 per day. The war, on the other hand, costs $165 million per day.
If you assume that fighting this 70% of the insurgency has average cost, then fighting these 70% of Taliban fighters costs $115.5 million per day. So, if we made a deal with them, instead of fighting them, we’d save $115.3 million dollars, every day, for an annual savings of $42 billion dollars. By comparison, if the 10 year cost of health reform is a trillion dollars, then the annual cost is $100 billion. So making a deal with 70% of the Afghan insurgency would pay for roughly half of the cost of health care reform.”
http://dailykos.com/
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By: Raji on October 14, 2009
at 4:25 AM
Hi gang and jsri,
Okra? No thanks. Lima beans? Yum! Yum!
I would like to have a little discussion about “Memetics” somewhere along the line, but first, there needs to a brief refresher course in “Genetics”. jsri, you are by far the best qualified to do that so we need your help. It is interesting what lengths we humans will go to in order to change our genetic makeup. Example, you don’t like your hair color? Check out the L’Oréal aisle at Wal-Mart and choose a color you like. Don’t like your eye color? Get yourself a pair of brown, blue or whatever contact lenses. Plastic surgery does a brisk business in nipping and tucking nature’s perceived mistakes. If you feel you are too short, I even heard of some place where you can have both your legs broken, stretched out and kept in casts for six months until the bones grow together again. Yikes! But you can gain 3-4 inches in height that way. This coming from an Old Broad who was too chicken to get her ears pierced until she was 60 years old.
“Memetics” are similar to “Genetics” in that they are CULTURAL traits handed down from one generation to another rather than BIOLOGICAL traits. Those can be changed too. Sometimes though they are just as deeply ingrained as the biological traits.
On to another topic, today I harvested our Awapuhi Ginger Shampoo from our Pitiful Little Patch. It is seasonal and only blooms in the late summer/fall. The blossom looks sort of like a wine-ish red hand grenade about 6 inches long. I squeezed them and out dripped a viscous fluid. Next I strained out the bits of plant debris into a large measuring cup and Viola! Awapuhi shampoo. This is the body soap and shampoo the native Hawaiians have used since time immemorial.
Over the years I have saved the little shampoo bottles from hotels as well as prescription medicine bottles. I wash them out good, then pour the shampoo into those little bottles and freeze them. Since they don’t have any fragrances or preservatives, I don’t know how long they would keep otherwise. Whenever I want a bottle of shampoo, I just take one out and thaw it. It is a fine shampoo and a wonderful conditioner combined. I give them to all our friends on the condition that they return the empty little bottles for next year’s harvest.
I would send all of you some but I would want my little bottles back!
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 14, 2009
at 12:27 AM
My gravatar is Alex the young dog.
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By: farsight Δ on October 13, 2009
at 11:30 PM
Lima beans also taste great in a white sauce.
What I’d like to have is a big ole plate of spareribs and sauerkraut with lima beans in a white sauce and fried potato cakes.
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By: farsight Δ on October 13, 2009
at 11:05 PM
Yes I have had okra fried and fried in cornmeal. I have had okra many ways and will always try a bite. It is disgusting. I eat oysters and love them raw. I will eat almost everything and like almost anything. Okra just flat sucks. Sorry, but even when I find some I like which will possibly happen some time, I certainly won’t trust my own assessment at first. It is something I will have to accept slowly!!!
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By: farsight Δ on October 13, 2009
at 10:58 PM
I’ll chime in in defense of the lima bean too. What’s not to like? Like any veggie, they taste great with a little butter and salt and pepper. Yummy.
Plus, they remind me of my little boy. I called him butterbean (another name for lima beans) when he was a baby because he was such a little pudge.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 13, 2009
at 9:17 PM
Pickled spicy okra is tops. 😀 I can eat a whole jar in a few minutes. Fried is great. Raw out of the garden is good. Cooked otherwise is too slimy for my liking.
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By: Poolman on October 13, 2009
at 8:55 PM
Claire, I definitely have to take up for the lima bean. I do not know what the poor thing has done to my husband especially and well, to you too. Would you please try this: cut up about 4oz of beef smoked sausage, add to one pound baby lima beans, one cup of water, one chicken bouillon cube, and a dash of salt (omit salt if you so desire). Bring to a boil. Simmer for 10 minutes. Voila! Makes a nice side dish to any meal. I have other recipes if you are willing to give them a try. Just holler.
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By: Easier on October 13, 2009
at 7:54 PM
Fried okra is to die for!
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 13, 2009
at 7:30 PM
Hi gang and Bruddah Peas,
It worked! Mahalo good buddy. As I’ve said before, you are a computer geinus.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 13, 2009
at 6:56 PM
Farsight–ever had it fried? It’s really delicious. Honest. I mean it.
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By: donna on October 13, 2009
at 6:46 PM
Hi gang,
This is my first attempt at following Brudda Peas instructions on how to post a YouTubie. I hope it works.
Nora the Piano Cat – Concerto
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 13, 2009
at 6:41 PM
Are you kidding me?
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By: Anonymous on October 13, 2009
at 6:27 PM
Ok, so I’m gonna have to chime in about vegetables that, in my opinion, are inedible. It is only one and it is okra. Don’t believe anyone who tells you, “yes, but you’ll like the way I cook mine.” The only way to disguise it is in gumbo and then it due to percentage of volume.
If you saw Ellen yesterday, you know who the following fellow is. Otherwise, maybe not. If it takes a while to load, I think you will find it worth the wait. Hope this is an enjoyable diversion waiting for Helen…
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By: farsight Δ on October 13, 2009
at 6:12 PM
A REAL Maverick, Olympia Snowe:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_snowe
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 13, 2009
at 4:14 PM
I LOVE this too:
Thomas Jefferson from 1816: “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 13, 2009
at 4:06 PM
Greytdog: No doubt!
This is also very interesting (single payor)
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/464837/joe_scarborough_is_shocked_yet_awed_by_single_payer_logic
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 13, 2009
at 3:45 PM
Keith, I suspect that passage from Acts will be stricken from the Conservative Bible. So socialist, so liberal. (sigh)
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By: Greytdog on October 13, 2009
at 3:39 PM
As for the right wing being against health reform…. that’s anti-Christian:
Acts 2:44-45 says, “All who believed were together and had all things in common; and they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, as any had need.”
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 13, 2009
at 3:33 PM
re: fat people being poor people….. well, if you had to work two or three jobs just to keep a roof over your (and your family’s) head, keep up with ever rising prices and keep the car from being repossessed you’d find yourself at the nearest fast-food drive up because not only do you not have time to cook a meal, the kids are screaming and someone has to run grandma(pa) to the free-clinic, but you’re just damned tired and just can’t think about cooking… healthy or otherwise… and time to exercise? Oh yeah… let’s not go there!
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 13, 2009
at 3:30 PM
So we dont have to fake accents for the next few years, eh? 🙂
BTW, meant to share this link earlier…
AP Newsbreak: Nobel jury defends Obama decision
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nobel_peace_obama
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 13, 2009
at 2:48 PM
Waaaay back when I was hitchhiking in Europe (1963ish) we were among the first bunch of Americans traveling that way. A bit later, “The Ugly American” was published. That was when Americans first started putting Canadian flags on their backpacks and pretending they lived in a boring but sane country.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 13, 2009
at 2:41 PM
One of my good friends, who travels abroad frequently recently admitted to me that she was forced to speaking like a Canadian, while overseas, because during the last 8 years Americans were not treated as well and that there has been an amazing shift now that Obama is our president.
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 13, 2009
at 2:25 PM
Delurker Girl Δ Sean Hannity is an idiot. Sadly, not the only idiot getting a lot of air time. Too bad they just won’t go away because I totally ignore them. I even try not to click on youtubes or articles about them because I don’t want them to get another single point (or hit?)
Back when GWB was POTUS, I had 4 miserable years followed by another 4 extraordinarily miserable years. I (in my optimistic brain) actually thought that if I could just survive those years and we managed to elect almost anyone else, this could only get better. And it really has gotten a bit better but all this craziness that comes out of the woodwork like wood worms is sometimes a little too much. Were it not for the sane minds and voices I find here, it would be a whole lot worse.
Thank you all for a bit of sanity in a really crazy world.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 13, 2009
at 2:17 PM
Sunshine, she is the light of my life. And you’re right, every move!!!!
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 13, 2009
at 2:04 PM
wow, so Im not alone in the Tourette Syndrome belief
what a shocker (NOT)
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/10/rightbloggers_d_1.php
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 13, 2009
at 1:57 PM
Hi gang and Brudda Peas at 10/13, 7:40A.
Huh? Say what? On posting links. Well, you can teach an Old Bitch new tricks, but it ain’t easy for her. I’ll have to study this URL stuff. Maybe I can get the hang of it.
Mahalo for spelling it out for me.
Aloha! 🙂
Sistah Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 13, 2009
at 12:52 PM
HRH Sophia EQ Oh, what a little cutie. Don’t you just love to squeeze those little cheeks. Have a little 11 mo. old great grandaughter. Cannot stop watching her every move and expressions. So precious, aren’t they?
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By: sunshine on October 13, 2009
at 11:44 AM
ImaginistaΔ, I had not viewed that clip of Rachel. Thanks for sharing it – it was truly excellent.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 11:43 AM
Olympia Snowe (R) backs senate health care bill.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/13/senate.health.care/index.html
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 11:42 AM
Been away from the porch for a few days, but after playing catch up here in the comments section I noticed that nobody has of yet posted the most excellent Rachel Maddow comments on the Nobel. She is just so incredibly smart. Watch: http://blog.beliefnet.com/onecity/2009/10/obama-nobel-peace-prize-for-what-rachel-maddow-thich-nhat-hanh.html
Reminder to all Pie Clubbers – trolls who are not fed do not keep hanging around waiting for scraps!
Love y’all!
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By: ImaginistaΔ on October 13, 2009
at 11:31 AM
I didn’t make that text red. Must have been an html symbol in what I pasted. I thought I’d clarify since I didn’t want you to think I was targeting specific definitions to suit my agenda. 🙂
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 11:30 AM
Thanks for the info HRH, I knew somewone would set me straight.. 😉 …
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By: lori on October 13, 2009
at 11:28 AM
How do YOU define peace?
Sean Hannity defines PEACE:
“Liberals define peace as the absence of conflict. I define peace very simply as the ability to defend yourself and destroy evil enemies.”
Mirriam Webster defines PEACE:
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English pees, from Anglo-French pes, pees, from Latin pac-, pax; akin to Latin pacisci to agree — more at pact
Date: 12th century
1 : a state of tranquillity or quiet: as a : freedom from civil disturbance b : a state of security or order within a community provided for by law or custom
2 : freedom from disquieting or oppressive thoughts or emotions
3 : harmony in personal relations
4 a : a state or period of mutual concord between governments b : a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity
5 —used interjectionally to ask for silence or calm or as a greeting or farewell
— at peace : in a state of concord or tranquillity
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 11:28 AM
Another confirmation…. proof… fact…. that the republican’s that supported and PAID for this nonsense is off the political spectrum. Make no mistake the GOP paid for her silliness, and the birther movement…..and that’s OK… assuming the contributors to the GOP knew this was a cause worth fighting backed the leadership … BUT what about the other 75 percent of this country? This “cause” has consumed how many man hours??????… how much tax dollars???? Judges, clerks, bailiffs, local police??????
Pisses me off….. all for what? I’ll tell you what…Because a black man is sleeping in the White House.
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By: lori on October 13, 2009
at 11:21 AM
I knew you would, Donna. I scooped ya!
Her reactions are so bizarre. Not “Yes sir” but “bite me!” OK, she didn’t say “bite me”, she said it’s intimidation and will not pay the fine. Borderline delusional? The judge was kind.
I couldn’t find Fox News’ version of the story, but did find that they are reporting “The Peace Prize is Damaged Goods”.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 10:47 AM
Delurker! I just zoomed here to tell you!!!
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By: Donna on October 13, 2009
at 10:21 AM
It’s a(nother) bad day for the birthers. Orly sanctioned $20K. 😀
http://washingtonindependent.com/63558/orly-taitz-sanctioned-for-20000
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 10:01 AM
YOU”RE not your. Toobusy getting fingers to hit right keys and didn’t pay attention to the grammar. I’ve been practincing old piano exercises with my right hand and typing seems to be improving.
No real piano. Just practicing the finger movements on desk or what ever is handy!
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By: Grandma Katie on October 13, 2009
at 9:41 AM
vgmanΔ on October 13, 2009 at 7:40 AM
The mindset of “America can do no wrong” trolls.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/10/13/one_nation_under_illusion/
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By: jsri on October 13, 2009
at 9:36 AM
in re to the troll comment on Karzai, this is a great analysis of Roots of Right-Wing Populist Rage — Reds to Beds http://bit.ly/19YsnU
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By: Greytdog on October 13, 2009
at 9:35 AM
HRH Sofia EQ, she’s a beauty! I love her adorable face, even messy!
Tine, when I got mad about that story it was because they relented and decided to cover healthy heavy infants. Not all heavy ones.
What I didn’t say was that they didn’t say they’d cover heavy toddlers, children, teens and adults – healthy or not.
Statistically, heavier people tend to be poorer people. I don’t know if causality has been established, but you don’t get fit and healthy eating cheap boxes of macaroni and cheese and ramen noodles, and that crap is far less expensive than nutritious whole food. So, IMO, they may be fat because they are poor. They may get sick because they are fat. Those cheap trashy carbs can lead to diabetes and heart disease, especially if they don’t have access to health care. They may be descriminated against for jobs (and health care) because they are overweight. It’s a system built to suppress people.
Hide your grandmas, people. We already have death panels.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 9:31 AM
JuneauJoe – when I said I hadn’t scrolled fast enough, I wasn’t referring to your post !! I was typing when y ou posted!
Glad your back. Are you going to miss Alaska and the winter?
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By: Grandma Katie on October 13, 2009
at 9:31 AM
OG, nice to see you again! Please give that nephew of yours a squeeze and a thank you from me while you’re at it. 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 13, 2009
at 9:31 AM
OceanGypsi, I just peaked at the photos of your nephew, he looks like a wonderful person. I’m so glad you will soon get to squeeze him in person. I hope you have a wonderful visit and that he will live long and prosper.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 13, 2009
at 9:25 AM
arrrgggh…trying to rein in that head-about-to-explode feeling…
The story about the ins. co. declining a “heavy” infant is just one more example among millions that show “health” insurance companies have nothing whatsoever to do with health. These people have obviously done *zero* research on pediatric growth patterns and outcomes.
Another excellent example is their asinine pregnancy and birth policies. They often refuse to cover midwifery care and flatly refuse to cover midwife-attended homebirth for low-risk women despite the fact that midwifery care and homebirth produce better outcomes with much lower costs (like thousands of dollars less PER WOMAN).
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ins. co. policies are designed to make money. End of story.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 13, 2009
at 9:21 AM
“Healthy four month old health insurance denied because he is at 99% for height and weight
This is very scary for me personally. I had no idea that many health insurance companies deny coverage for infants over the 95%.
My beautiful granddaughter has been over 90% in height and weight from the moment she was born at 9lb 13oz. They had induced labor at the due date so she wouldn’t get bigger. She is now almost 5mos old and at 97%. She comes by it honestly since her dad is 6’3” and mom is 6′ and neither is obese or even close to it. They are big people with size 12 feet. (and both very talented, bright, fantastic people if I may be so bold as to say so)
I guess if her mom had smoked and drunk alcohol and not taken her vitamins, she could have produced a baby more suited to our health care system.
She has just begun eating solid foods and I know it’s not making her fat because so little of it actually reaches her stomach. But we’re working on it, along with teaching her to howl. I couldn’t get the photo to copy here but just in case you can’t resist baby pics,
Yes, I know I’m shameless. But at my age I feel its acceptable behavior.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 13, 2009
at 9:14 AM
Thanks to the link to the story, Joe. I hadn’t included one in my post. Your link didn’t say that they’ll cover healthy heavy infants, just heavy infants. I wonder if the site I read was incorrect? I would have to go back and find it.
Either way, they fixed it because they got caught. That family lost coverage and whoever they went to about it didn’t fix the issue until the issue was taken public. What other criteria can they use to reject people? Thousands and thousands of pages of criteria. They don’t even have to prove it. They reject people, or reject covering requested treatments, and only customers tough enough to duke it out with them get the coverage they shouldn’t have been denied in the first place.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 9:11 AM
Wow ..I just love you ladies.
You too Poolman.
My fork is down.
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By: CraigΔ on October 13, 2009
at 8:28 AM
There are only 2 vegetables I have no use for, one is the lima bean. The other is, well, you know who….lol.
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By: Claire on October 13, 2009
at 8:23 AM
arrrghhh….please ignore Craig. He’ll go away if you do. He’ll continue to spout stupidity if you don’t.
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By: Donna on October 13, 2009
at 8:07 AM
Healthy four month old health insurance denied because he is at 99% for height and weight
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/four-month-old-baby-turned-down-healt
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 13, 2009
at 8:01 AM
Yaaaaahhhoooooo, Auntie Jean! Loved, loved, loved your posting of the Honorable Judge William Young’s ruling! Loved it!!! Lov-ed it!
I have been uber-busy with my daughter’s homework, volunteering at her school, my studies, and and have taken on a new project at work. I haven’t been on this blog in several weeks. I arrived this morning to find pictures of Auntie Jean, Lori, and Poolman to name a few. Hiya, you guys!! So nice to see you!!
I am so excited! My nephew is coming home for R&R from Afghanistan and should be here today or tomorrow. I can’t wait. I CANNOT wait. I want to squeeze him so hard when I hug him and tell him how much I miss him and am proud of him. I want to look into his eyes and see what is going on in his mind and spirit.
Please continue to keep all of our soldiers in your prayers! I have missed reading all of your thoughts. See you soon!
Gypsi
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By: OceanGypsi on October 13, 2009
at 8:00 AM
Wellpoint and the revolving door into important health care committees. The health insurance companies make the health care laws.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-moyers-washington-revolving-doors-are
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 13, 2009
at 7:56 AM
Quoting JeanΔ ¥ @12:36a:
“I wish I knew how to do YouTubies here. Never mind. I’ll rest on my laurels with my avatar for a while. That was hard enough!”
Hey Jean,
‘Linking’ YouTubes (or anything for that matter) is real easy. Everything on the internet has an address that starts with the letters ‘http://’.
https://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/
It’s called a URL (Uniform Resource Locator) and can be found at the top of every page in the Address bar. Highlight it, then ‘Right-click’ (the other button) with your mouse. ‘Copy’ then ‘Paste’ it here in the comments.
Simple as pie! I’m looking forward to seeing what you link here Jean. Have fun!
PEACE ~ Δ
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By: Whirled Peas Δ on October 13, 2009
at 7:49 AM
From the troll last night–
“Take Hamid Karzai out back and tell him to find another sheep herder job.”
On a scale of 1 to 10 you’re off the charts when it comes to ignorance.
I may not agree with Afghan politics and leadership, but I don’t generalize and shine a light on ignorance by equating a man who has a master’s degree in political science and speaks six languages to a sheep herder.
It is this kind of bellicose talk that the world has come to expect from America after eight years of saber-rattling.
What experiences in your life, Craig, give you the right to belittle another human being? Oh, right–You’re from the ‘greatest’ country on earth!
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By: vgmanΔ on October 13, 2009
at 7:40 AM
Under public pressure Rocky Mountain Health Plans said Monday that it will insure the ‘too big to insure’ baby, and will no longer consider obesity a pre-existing condition for rejecting coverage for heavy infants.
“The insurer said Monday it would change its policy for babies that are *healthy* but fat.” (emphasis mine)
OK. Now who will insure the babies who are not healthy?
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 13, 2009
at 7:29 AM
Oh Farsight Δ, Thank you so much for that youtube! I’m sending the link to my daughter in law so she can play it for the GD. I won’t see her again for a couple of weeks. (sniff, sniff, amazing how much I miss her when she goes home. Luckily home is just a 2 hr train ride so I see her regularly. Her other grandmother sadly has to fly from the other coast to see her. )
In fact, I believe I’ll send the link to almost everyone I know, I already sent the Doo Wop to many.
I just read on the internet that emails have become obsolete. Twitters and all have surpassed them. Well, I feel comfortable with the email system and although I get Skypes of my granddaughter, I hope my little circle of emailers continues to prosper. Especially now with winter darkness descending on us. It’s still a great way for us to get a dose of “in touch, lite” without having to know what each of us is doing or thinking every minute.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 13, 2009
at 7:06 AM
Lori,
Turnips are either white or white with purple shoulders but both are white inside. Rutabagas are mostly yellow but also with purple shoulders and are generally about 4 x the size of turnips, sometimes called Swedes. Both have a similar, sweet flavor, the rutabagas are a bit dryer and are definitely a stronger flavor.
Both are improved by roasting but mashed rutabagas are the required version for our Thanksgivings, done them for about 39 years in a row now.
I’ve never met a vegetable I don’t love.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 13, 2009
at 6:54 AM
Lori: Turnips and rutabagas do taste somewhat similar, but they look very different. Turnips are white with a purple-y sheen. Rutabagas are golden yellow.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 13, 2009
at 6:05 AM
The Amish shun, the service academies also shun, seems like a good plan for us. It occurs to me, we are never going to entice Helen with vegetables, pie recipes on the other hand….
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 13, 2009
at 5:58 AM
I think an old tennis shoe would taste good if you rolled it in olive oil and roasted with with onions and garlic.. 😉 That is my method of choice when it comes to all veggies. I’m pretty sure rutabagas and turnips are the same thing??? at least that is what my father use to say. I suppose I could look it up! LOL But I’m feeling lazy this morning and I know my fellows porch sitters will let me know..
Well today the senate will vote on a healthcare bill. I’m proud of that! Just a few weeks ago when the summer recess began there were those who didn’t think it would be possible. We overcame a billion dollars of lobbying and a ruthless opponent that sunk so low as to scare our elderly. It isn’t perfect, and it isn’t the final bill, but it is a good solid start and I am proud of us. 😉 Next is the House, then on to reconciliation.
I believe we will have a bill by Christmas, with a public option type clause, it will require care for all no matter pre-condition, and I think it will eventually low the cost at the very least stem the sharp increases we have seen in recent years. I think it will require all to be insured. It will pass with very little repug support. The bluedogs with big insurance companies in their state (and their pockets) will be pulled along by the “all insured” amendment. I think by the New Year Obama’s numbers will be holding steady in the mid 50’s and congress will be in the 30’s. Right direction will teeter near 40’s. I think we will take a little hit in November, due mostly to weak democratic candidates. I do think we will win a few though.
It wasn’t pretty, and mistakes were made along the way, but we HAVE a bill…. In the world of politics that is nothing short of a miracle. We can’t stop our fight, if it weren’t for people like us this would not have been possible… truly … the people’s voice made this happen. Congrat’s my fellow porch sitters.
namaste
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By: lori on October 13, 2009
at 5:27 AM
Hi gang and farsight Δ,
You are full fledged here now with your new avatar. Congrats! Is that Kyle?
Kyle is DEFINITELY in the porch band. He is in fine voice with the Doo Wop Horses. I think I said we need more tenors. He’s a perfect tenor.
We once had a cat that loved corn on the cob. She had to have her butter and salt on it. She would take it outside on the grass, lie down, hold it with her paws on the ends, and munch away across it, one row of kernels at a time.
I have a strong hunch that Helen and maybe Margaret will show up tomorrow. I hope so.
Nighty-night all,
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 13, 2009
at 1:05 AM
Thanks poolman. We think he is quite entertaining. When he was young, we discovered that if we opened a bottle of something that he didn’t like the smell of, he would curl his lip. It was so endearing that we had to control ourselves from eliciting the response. When we give him peanut butter, he goes into a front leg legging behavior that is kind of interesting. He does like peanut butter so we don’t feel bad about that. I’ll have to try peanut butter and cauliflower.
I understand cutting people slack and giving them a second chance. However, in the particular instance we are talking about, I had a strong feeling that we would get nowhere.
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By: farsight Δ on October 13, 2009
at 12:42 AM
Hi gang and Greytdog,
“The Fun Theory” is priceless! A perfect example of of good meme.
I wish I knew how to do YouTubies here. Never mind. I’ll rest on my laurels with my avatar for a while. That was hard enough!
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 13, 2009
at 12:36 AM
Alaskan, sorry. I always give everyone a lot of extra chances. I’m an optimist at heart and I give people lots of slack. Sometimes it pays off. Much of the time I get burned or taken advantage of. The old “turn the other cheek” bit. But what the heck, others don’t have any tolerance, so it seems to even the playing field.
farsight Δ, that Kyle and the doo wops is great! I bet he is very entertaining.
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By: Poolman on October 13, 2009
at 12:08 AM
To endorse Alaskan’s way of dealing with a troll by not engaging and as a reminder of some of the troll’s less than honorable posts (you can search back and find this early on in this thread — not for the faint of heart):
“Well first
I just had to come back and see what crap was being parrlayed this week and it seems like the same ole smell continues to permeate.
Just a Republican Smacking
…democratic Love Fest.
I guess it’s because I don’t need your endorsement or high fives.
And as to the women’s club thing..
It doesn’t take long to count the posts and monitor
what the demographic makeup of this site is comprised of..
Nothing to do now but jerk off looking at myself in the mirror. I am so fab.
Goona get me some pie as you would say…
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By: farsight Δ on October 12, 2009
at 11:43 PM
Oh darn Poolman, you gave him another hit. You mentioned his name. That’s all he wants. It is like a cobra, sway and sway and make nice and then all of a sudden strike out and lash.
Too banal, too boring, always the same.
As my father in law says “Some guests are like fish. Ok for the first day, a little ripe the second and by the third, it just stinks.”
He is like a male Sarah Palin, plays all nice to your face and then back stabs you when you aren’t looking or expecting it. But the jig is up because we all expect it now….from both of you.
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By: Alaskan on October 12, 2009
at 11:18 PM
On the subject of food and pets. One of my girlfriends from decades ago had a cat that was absolutely crazy for cantaloupe. If there were rinds under the sink, Beep (as he was called) would claw the cabinet door open to get to them and drag them out all over the kitchen floor and chew on them.
As Richard Brautigan said in one of his books. Of all the things I’ll probably see in this lifetime one of them is not a can of Cat Cantaloupe (paraphrased). Apparently, many cats have a thing with cantaloupe.
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By: farsight Δ on October 12, 2009
at 10:52 PM
Craig, this site definitely supports America. We are for all Americans – white, black, brown, yellow, red, male, female, heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, assexual, democrats, republicans, libertarians, independents, socialists, communists, all religions, all creeds, all ages, sizes, and shapes. We also support our elected president and all branches of our military.
We don’t want to secede or divide the country or force our beliefs on anyone. We want to fix our country and respect our representatives (if they prove they deserve it). We get a little (or a lot) uppity when other Americans don’t feel the same way.
We all have the same ability to contact our representatives and use our vote and voice to better this nation for ALL Americans. We don’t think that disruption, threats, and rude behavior are the way to affect change in our society. Falsehoods and misinformation do not become valid just because they are broadcast to the masses over and over again.
We will entertain all intelligent suggestions and viewpoints that have the desire to better us or our country. Most of us are here to learn and share knowledge. We come from all walks of life.
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By: Poolman on October 12, 2009
at 10:49 PM
HRH Sofia EQ,
Yes it is Kyle who loves cauliflower. The one I referred to in an earlier post as our heart dog. He is a joy.
Ok, so if you’ll remember there was some talk of a porch band here. Somehow Kyle got wind of it and bugged me about auditioning for it. I explained that I didn’t think auditions were required, but he was having none of it. Maybe your granddaughter will like “Kyle and The Doo Wops”:
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By: farsight Δ on October 12, 2009
at 10:26 PM
Drat, I didn’t scroll fast enough!
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By: Grandma Katie on October 12, 2009
at 10:22 PM
by Frank Rich
Those of us who love F. Scott Fitzgerald must acknowledge that he did get one big thing wrong. There are second acts in American lives. (Just ask Marion Barry, or William Shatner.) The real question is whether everyone deserves a second act. Perhaps the most surreal aspect of our great Afghanistan debate is the Beltway credence given to the ravings of the unrepentant blunderers who dug us into this hole in the first place.
Let’s be clear: Those who demanded that America divert its troops and treasure from Afghanistan to Iraq in 2002 and 2003 – when there was no Qaeda presence in Iraq – bear responsibility for the chaos in Afghanistan that ensued. Now they have the nerve to imperiously and tardily demand that America increase its 68,000-strong presence in Afghanistan to clean up their mess – even though the number of Qaeda insurgents there has dwindled to fewer than 100, according to the president’s national security adviser, Gen. James Jones.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 12, 2009
at 10:18 PM
Mmmmmmmm brussel sprouts
😀
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By: Poolman on October 12, 2009
at 10:18 PM
Now this is real energy giving stuff here. ‘Neanderthal repellent’. I am so freakin’ glad I wasn’t drinking something when I read that.
I think after the meal we should all have Latte’s. The wingnuts hate latte’s.
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By: farsight Δ on October 12, 2009
at 10:17 PM
Alaskan …misogynist |məˈsäjənist|..?
noun
a man who hates women.
Hey there Lady..I’m happily married to the gal I met in high school..and have been with her for 44 years
married for 34 of those..and 1/2 half Italian, she is the best damn cook and baker who would put all to shame..I’ve got the pounds to prove it…and I love her so!
JeanΔ ¥
Troll here..as some people refer to me.
I read that transcript somewhere over the weekend and loved it. Just hope it was a true accounting.
DeLuker Girl..
Why the snort? neanderthal?
Ladies I’m here as a person to listen..take notes and then some times rattle your hamster cages. Apparently your down to exchanging recipes for entertainment. Thats good.
Some of the best are from the heart of American homes who have culled them over the tears.
Hey attack me all you want..some make it their day by banging away at the troll as some consider me.
I don’t know if this thread or site supports America or not?
Now I’m not saying that you have to grab a gun..but if your son or neighbors son or daughter is in harms way..then By Damn you had better support them.
I’m not speaking for John Wayne …but Dammit
That young man in the White House better get it right.
There are people tonight or today that are in in harms way that say believe they are protecting a country from being over run by the Taliban as well as establishing a safe haven.
Then again they hear that the country or regime they are trying to protect is corrupt and rigged.
Take Hamid Karzai out back and tell him to find another sheep herder job.
He would at least end up better off than
Ngo Dinh Diem and his brother in 1962 South Vietnam when Kennedy and the Generals looked the other way.
All I’m saying is please do not pull the rug out from under our troops.
Either send in the 40,000 troops requested by the ground commander you installed and let him fight the war with two hands ..
But for Gods sake do not tie one hand behind his back and play politics ..and expect a pretty political outcome.
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By: CraigΔ on October 12, 2009
at 10:07 PM
Here is a great recipe for kale. I had a hard time trying to figure out what to do with kale.
3 cups white rice and 5 or so cups of broth. Chicken or vegetarian. Several tablespoons of cajun spice. Start the rice and broth boiling and add 1 can of red beans or black beans or kidney beans. Then add 1 large bunch of kale cut down into small strips or squares. Simmer for 20 mintues. The broth makes the rice like risotta texture. This is great with cajun or pesto shrimp skewers on top the bed of rice.
MMMMMMM.
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By: Alaskan on October 12, 2009
at 9:49 PM
Torture: You guys are making me hungry! You people are cruel.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 12, 2009
at 9:08 PM
love them! Roasted. Sliced and sauteed with garlic. Steamed. And, of course, love them most when they are still on their stalks from the farmers’ market.
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By: donna on October 12, 2009
at 8:48 PM
Brussels sprouts!
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 8:43 PM
borscht. Sauteed beet greens. TOFU
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By: donna on October 12, 2009
at 8:14 PM
Golden beets are great in salad.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 12, 2009
at 8:09 PM
I’m completely cracking up here. Beets: in salad. Roasted. Steamed. Pickled. TOFU!
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By: donna on October 12, 2009
at 8:00 PM
I call tofu after we’ve thoroughly cogitated upon beets.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 7:52 PM
I love Harvard Beets.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 12, 2009
at 7:47 PM
Neanderthal repellant. Tine, you just made me snort!
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 12, 2009
at 7:40 PM
Hi gang,
I am about to take up a whole lot of cyberspace on M&H. All trolls are invited to scroll on by.
Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it? Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.
Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.
Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his ‘allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,’ defiantly stating, ‘I think I will not apologize for my actions,’ and told the court ‘I am at war with your country.’
Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:
January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.
Judge Young: ‘Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.
On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutively. (That’s 80 years.)
On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served consecutively to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that’s an aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government’s recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.
The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.
This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.
Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.
You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not—– you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.
So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You’re no warrior. I’ve known warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: ‘You’re no big deal.’
You are no big deal.
What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?
I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing? And, I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom’s sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.
We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. The day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.
Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That’s the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.
Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 12, 2009
at 7:20 PM
BEETS!!! Let’s talk beets!
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By: donna on October 12, 2009
at 7:17 PM
Well. If it’s vegetables and recipes that *really* tick some people off, I’d be glad to share every single one in my cupboard. D’you think the food library of a quasi-vegetarian bibliophile would serve sufficiently as Neanderthal repellent?
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 6:36 PM
Rep Alan Grayson is holding a health care townhall tonight in Tavares FL. You can listen in here:
http://bit.ly/gF0Kg
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By: Greytdog on October 12, 2009
at 6:25 PM
I think Craig is just a name that Rush uses to deflect some of his hate mail!
Keith in NM
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By: Keith in NM on October 12, 2009
at 5:44 PM
I’m going to be mean and pass along my personal brain worm of the day. Although it won’t be a brain worm if you’ve never heard it before, since you won’t know the tune.
“The bankers and the diplomats are going in the army
Oh, happy day, I’d give my pay to see them on parade
Their paunches at attention and their striped pants at ease
They’re getting patriotic and they’re going overseas
We’ll have to do the best we can and bravely carry on
So we’ll just keep the laddies here to manage while they’re gone.
(Chorus) Ohhhh, ohhhh, we hate to see them go, the gentlemen of distinction in the army
Ohhhh, ohhhh, we hate to see them go, the gentlemen of distinction in the army
The bankers and the diplomats are going in the army
It seemed a shame to keep them from the wars they love to plan
We’re all of us contented that they’ll fight a dandy war
They won’t need propaganda, they know what they’re fighting for
They’ll march away with dignity and in the best of form
And we’ll just keep the laddies here to keep the lassies warm.
The bankers and the diplomats are going in the army
We’ll have to make things easy, cause it’s all so new and strange
We’ll give them silver shovels if they have to dig a hole
And they can sing in harmony while answering the role
We’ll let them eat their rations from a hand embroidered box
And if they die, we’ll bring them home and bury them in Fort Knox.”
Written by Malvina Reynolds, born 1900. She dealt with her senior life by going back to school and studying music, then started writing songs.
Her tongue was as sharp as her powers of observation. If she were alive today, she’d have a blog – and people would be claiming she was really a college dropout in his parents’ basement.
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By: judith on October 12, 2009
at 5:41 PM
I am trying some of the recipes folks. Thanks
baking cauliflower – I will try it.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 12, 2009
at 5:36 PM
maybe if we all share recipes till another word from M&H the um others will have to find amusement elsewhere?
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 12, 2009
at 5:32 PM
He’s here because he’s the equivalent of a badly behaved child who wants attention. Doesn’t have an original thought in his head or anything of interest to say. Just wants to stir something up. Pretty pathetic when an adult needs that.
He’s been a complete zero since he started posting and every now and then someone chooses to engage with him, so he keeps trying.
On a different and far more interesting topic than that fool, has anyone read “Alex and Me?” It’s quite wonderful, as is “The Art of Racing in the Rain.”
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By: donna on October 12, 2009
at 4:30 PM
Craig, why are you even here? You obviously don’t like what we have to say about politics, you don’t like the recipe exchanges and your clearly misogynistic tendencies are quite annoying.
It would seem you are doing more to torture yourself than you are us.
I for one, and I think many of the others on here, are just done with your witless, attempt at provoking a response. That is not meant to be an attack, just an observation. You apparently feel the need, every 30 posts or so to say something to get a response. Do you count how many responses you get out of each comment? Is that how you measure your worth? Well here is one for your tally. Your interjections are neither funny nor interesting.
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By: Alaskan on October 12, 2009
at 4:20 PM
And just look what I found….In Helen’s own words from last December 22. Check it out at “End of Days”
“Many of you have written in asking for recipes. The holidays are upon us and many of our traditions are centered around food – be it turkey and stuffing or cookies and hot chocolate. If you ask me it’s really comfort we seek. So Margaret and I have decided to share a favorite recipe from each of us for each of you. Enjoy and Happy Holidays!”
So maybe a recipe exchange is what we are supposed to be doing until Helen has the time and/or inclination to toss out another gem.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 12, 2009
at 3:57 PM
I like the way W. C. Fields put it: “G’way, kid, ya bother me.
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By: judith on October 12, 2009
at 3:47 PM
Craig, I try to judge my food by the way it tastes, not the way the cook looks. I find that method helpful for selecting presidents and congerspeople and car mechanics and dentists and all sorts of others as well. Sorry if we bore you. How do those youts put it? something like “get a life”
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 12, 2009
at 3:44 PM
Oh god…I didn’t know ya could drone on for hours on recipes for vegetables.
Now if it were Giada..
you would have my attention.
Thank you PalinShutUp Δ
I feel fine in my skin.
I mean his skin.
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By: CraigΔ on October 12, 2009
at 3:21 PM
well craig, if the shoe fits…
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 12, 2009
at 2:22 PM
I did grow purple carrots one year for the same kids as the purple beans. For some reason, I can’t get carrots to grow well in my garden, too much clay, I think. Also grew little ball carrots.
Farsight Δ, Your wife makes them the way I do, I cut them smallish and they don’t need to be pre-steamed. Is it Kyle who loves cauliflower?
And NO, I don’t find them stinky either. I think the stinky occurs when they are overcooked. Roasted, they still have a bit of crunch. I thin almost every vegetable can benefit from roasting.
And thanks again, Farsight Δ, for the Doo wop horses. I played them for my 5 month old granddaughter yesterday, she thought they were every bit as good as Kyle does, though she hasn’t learned to howl yet.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 12, 2009
at 2:20 PM
We want Helen!
We want Helen!
We want Helen!
We want Helen!
We want Helen!
and Margaret too…
🙂
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By: Lorena Middleman on October 12, 2009
at 12:54 PM
Have you ever tried purple carrots?
There are actually a rainbow variety of carrots from white, yellow orange, reddish and purple. Each color has slightly different nutrients. I think the purple are extremely good for anti-oxidents.
My kids love them. Mostly because the purple ones turn your tongue purple for a time.
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By: Alaskan on October 12, 2009
at 12:53 PM
Roated cauliflower–and broccoli–are wonderful. I don’t think it stinks.
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By: Donna on October 12, 2009
at 12:23 PM
My wife takes cauliflower, drizzles olive oil over it and sprinkles with kosher salt then bakes in a 400 degree oven until slightly soft (she may steam it a bit first). I don’t see this as stinky and it adds a whole new dimension to cauliflower. I like cauliflower to begin with.
Our older dog is pretty certain that there is nothing, and I mean no thing – nothing – nada, better than cauliflower. Raw is just fine; he doesn’t care, but he’ll take it any way. It is almost freaky.
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By: farsight Δ on October 12, 2009
at 11:46 AM
The health insurance lobby is winning on health care reform. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars for our congressmen works. The people lose!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/healthcare-reform-comes-down-wire-lob
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 12, 2009
at 11:15 AM
I love most veggies roasted. The way they sweeten up is, well, sweet! Green beans and especially asparagus are great roasted, too. Even tomatoes can be roasted so they carmelize. I don’t often use recipes, but there’s one at recipezaar.com (oh dear, I said zaar, it’s a conspiracy) for Roasted Tomatoes, Red Onion and Garlic that looks good.
Roasted cauliflower is great, but it sure does stink up a kitchen! Maybe roast them outside on your grill!
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 12, 2009
at 11:10 AM
Roasted cauliflower…hmm…no, I don’t think so. I might try it if you can promise me it doesn’t smell as bad as all the other ways of cooking cauliflower. If it’s stinky, there’s no way in hell my kids will eat it.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 10:46 AM
PURPLE! yessss. I grew the purple beans for some kids and for novelty, they’re great but IMO the flavor doesn’t measure up to the green ones.
Purple kohlrabi, on the other hand, is a delight to behold and it tastes great too. (if you like kohlrabi, that is) It’s also good roasted as Keith NM suggested. I’m trying purple bok choy this year for the first time and I’ve been letting the purple mustard go to seed and come up for many years now even though I eat almost none of it, but love the way it looks in the garden. Another good purple is orach, it also self seeds, comes up very early spring all by itself, and is great in salads. (It’s related to lamb’s quarter, a weed I learned to from my grandmother many, many years ago)
And I second, (or third or fourth) the idea of roasted turnip or rutabaga, l love both. Have you’all ever tried roasted cauliflower?
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 12, 2009
at 10:13 AM
Lori – nice to know I’m n ot the only one with a “scroll. baby, scroll” finger!
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By: Grandma Katie on October 12, 2009
at 9:48 AM
I would be curious to read M&H’s take on our President being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and the right’s reaction.
As for turnips in mashed potatoes, I see no reason to ruin perfectly good mashed potatoes w. turnips, LOL! Had them that way at a friend’s house one Thanksgiving and they were awful.
Parsnips, however are delicious roasted, not sure about rutabaga, don’t recall ever having eaten any, will have to give it a try.
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By: Claire on October 12, 2009
at 9:41 AM
“I am willing to bet it is more than one person using one name.”
good nite all.
By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 12, 2009
Ooohh thats a good one!
I’m willing to bet the “Troll”
could be a “schizophrenic”.
noun:
a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behavior, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation.
Naw…He’s just out for a pass on weekends only
and has no internet rights on the unit.
As an aside…How often does Ms.Helen post a new
treatise?..or otherwise…How long will this hamsters wheel keep turning?
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By: CraigΔ on October 12, 2009
at 9:34 AM
If you do a Google image search using the keywords “peruvian purple potato,” you’ll see what they look like.
Purple beans, huh? That’d be a nice addition to next year’s garden. Thanks for the tip, Delurker Girl.
I loved that video, Greytdog. 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 9:30 AM
Tine, I have not seen or tried purple potatoes, but I have grown purple string beans. They are nice to grow because they are easier to spot for picking. Green ones blend in with stems & leaves, but purple ones stand out. When you cook them, they turn green and I don’t taste any difference between purple & green beans.
I will look for purple potates. Maybe I’ll serve them at my next purple party – dinner party, that is. 🙂
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 12, 2009
at 9:19 AM
The Fun Theory
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By: Greytdog on October 12, 2009
at 9:00 AM
OK, as long as we’re talking about root vegetables…. Has anyone else ever had purple potatoes?
A couple of weeks ago I got a bag of ’em from a neighbor, who grew a bumper crop. They’re smallish with gray skins. The insides are brilliant purple. I had never seen anything like it before. They were totally freaky-looking — but tasty! My kiddies gobbled them up just for the sheer novelty.
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 8:48 AM
Stealth Turnips
…sounds like a CIA mission codename, doesn’t it? 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 8:44 AM
pureed turnips can be frozen. use an icecube tray, pour puree into that then freeze. Pureed turnips can then be added to soups, mashed potatoes, used as a thickening agent in some sauces that need a bit of a tang
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By: Greytdog on October 12, 2009
at 8:40 AM
On Morning Joe this morning, I heard Rush say that the Republicans lost the election because they aren’t conservative enough any more. They need to move far right to win. So is he really saying, and we’re supposed to believe, that Republican voters voted for a “far left” “SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT” because McCain was not far right enough? It defies logic. Could it be that a moderate Republican might have been elected had the far right not messed it up?
Regarding Craig, I’ve said it to you before, Craig… It’s not your political beliefs that have people here disliking you. It’s your behavior. You provoke people and then whine when called on it. Don’t want to be called a troll? Don’t act like one. Don’t want to be called an ass? Quit being one. Nobody wants to read the crap you spew. Why you come here and spend your time reading what you probably think is crap spewing defies logic. If you must rant, be a doll and keep up the epic length posts. It makes them easier to spot & skip over.
And finally, whatever anyone thinks about the Nobel Peace Prize and whether or not President Obama deserved it, the truth is that he didn’t win the award based solely on his first 2 weeks in office! He hadn’t done anything yet? He got himself elected because of who he is and what he stands for. Why people arbitrarily decide that since the nominations occurred within a couple of weeks of inauguration that the award is based on just that time window… also defies logic.
As for turnips – Keith’s recipe is great. Turnip fries are good, too. If no turnip recipe is acceptable, then I’d suggest using them up in very small quantities using whatever stealth you can get away with.
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By: Delurker Girl Δ on October 12, 2009
at 8:36 AM
Donna: I do have a different soup recipe that uses fruit (parsnips, pears, and rosemary), but it hadn’t occurred to me to toss an apple in the other soup. Good idea! 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 8:13 AM
Tine–ever toss a cooked apple or pear into the soup before pureeing? mmmm
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By: Donna on October 12, 2009
at 7:54 AM
Oops. Looks like I was playing around with the other one and it took instead of the one I wanted. I should get my own here soon.
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By: farsight Δ on October 12, 2009
at 7:01 AM
Did my gravatar take?
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By: farsight Δ on October 12, 2009
at 6:55 AM
Anita certainly gave them whatfor.
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By: newk2 on October 12, 2009
at 6:30 AM
Forgot to mention: Simmer them in broth of your choice — chicken, veggie, or whatever. 🙂
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 6:02 AM
Well, Judith, I’m glad somebody enjoyed the dang turnips. If you have any of the roasted goodies left over, may I suggest tossing them in a soup?
I make a Winter Vegetable soup over here in which turnips feature prominently. Alongside rutabagas and sweet potatoes, and lots of garlic, onion, and thyme. Just simmer those babies within an inch of their lives and puree. Yummy. Especially warm and yummy when it has the nerve to snow in early October.
Let’s just say I am not amused!
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 12, 2009
at 6:01 AM
Thanks to all the knowledgeable people who chimed in on the White House vs Media issue.
I haven’t made up my mind yet. As a progressive I like the idea of standing up to the bullies, and no longer allowing them to define ME. On the other hand it worries me. As I have said before national elections are won by the middle. And the middle of this country is REALLY tired of the vitriol. I want Obama to be a 2 term president, we need the middle. I would prefer to see the democratic party take up this fight and allow the White House to stay above the fray. However, I admire Antia Dunn, is a really talented strategist, I hope she did her homework on this subject.
One thing for sure……She has broken new ground… I wish them luck.
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By: lori on October 12, 2009
at 5:24 AM
This time always reminds me of when my children were little and a Mr. Rodgers’ song called “Let’s Think of Something to do While Are Waiting”. 😉 I loved Mr. Rodgers.
There are people I enjoy talking to about about politics. I seek them out when I want to understand an issue better in order to form my own opinion,[ like when I asked M&H fans the other day} or if I want to understand “the other side”. The thing is, I have to believe they are knowledgeable about the subject. If they aren’t, why engage them in conversation? To me it would be like talking football with a person who doesn’t understand the game.
So far, on this blog, I haven’t “heard” any of the so called “trolls” to be knowledgeable of politics or MOST of the issues that are currently facing us in this country . Their opinions on the issues are parroted by Fox talking heads, or the Drudge report. If I wanted to discuss politics with those type of people I’d go to those web sites or listen to their programs.
I look forward to the day M&H’s porch is visited by a knowledgeable adversary. It would save me the trouble of seeking them out. But until that day, my scroll button gets a good workout. 😉 In fact, my daughter was reading this thread the other day and when she called me later that day she told me she was amused by the arrogant idiot named James. I had to go back and read the post to see what she was referring to. It just re-confirmed my scroll baby scroll policy..;-)
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By: lori on October 12, 2009
at 5:12 AM
When Helen doesn’t have us chuckling about the foibles of the Republican elite, I really enjoy our food discussions and other miscellaneous bits, but it is insufferably dull to cover old unfounded rumors with teabaggers or birthers, so it was nice our troll inadvertently presented us with substantial subject. I have read, some time ago, that the Obama Administration will send in agriculturists to teach Afghanis how to raise other cash crops, but I am dubious at best how effective this approach, on its own, end the poppy explosion in Afghanistan. If I am uncertain, I can just imagine President Obama, he is far more thorough in his reasoning than I am, therefore I am expecting him to come up with a plan that makes me strike my forehead and say, that makes so much sense, why didn’t I think of that? So many times during his campaign for The Presidency and since he’s taken office he has done just that, naturally I still like to speculate, I still get anxious for him make decisions and get moving, but darn if I don’t have confidence in his leadership.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 12, 2009
at 5:09 AM
I am willing to bet it is more than one person using one name.
good nite all.
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 12, 2009
at 1:44 AM
Judith,
“And the troll will revert as soon as he feels secure enough, while claiming that we’re objecting to his opinions rather than his behavior. Possibly he can’t tell the difference.”
I really haven’t nailed down which it is but there you have it.
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By: farsight Δ on October 11, 2009
at 9:11 PM
Δ¥Tine, you can have the last one. I chopped and roasted some of them tonight with garlic, salt and olive oil (and celery and onions). Served them with meat loaf. I kind of liked them, especially since I do this all the time with peppers and green onions. I won’t be planting them next year, (unlike red chard, which was a revelation this year and will get garden space), but they were ok. Definitely edible, IMO.
My husband’s opinion was 180 degrees. There will be a mutiny if I ever do this again. Oh, well.
And the troll will revert as soon as he feels secure enough, while claiming that we’re objecting to his opinions rather than his behavior. Possibly he can’t tell the difference.
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By: judith on October 11, 2009
at 8:55 PM
Holy crap!
Enjoy…
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By: farsight Δ on October 11, 2009
at 8:47 PM
No one’s puppet,
“By dang. didn’t our troll throw us a bone to chew on?”
You see, this is the part of the troll that is reasonable, though not necessarily in agreement with the majority, and somewhat disarming. If this were the way it stayed all would be fine. However, I will wait and bide my time and try not to point out the obvious when it happens. Maybe lessons have been learned…
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By: farsight Δ on October 11, 2009
at 8:39 PM
Judith, pay no attention to all those delicious-sounding turnip recipes. I’ll be over to pick them up shortly. 😉
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By: Δ¥ Tine on October 11, 2009
at 8:30 PM
Hi gang,
The debate (or beat) goes on about how to deal with Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.
The Khyber Pass between the two countries has been CONTROLLED by outside forces for a time; going all the way back to Alexander the Great and up to the British Empire and Russia. However, NONE have ever been able to subdue the tribal peoples of that rugged area. I don’t know why we think we can. By military force anyway.
……..“All this time, Ben-Ladin had been busy, busy, busy building an organization called Al-Qaeda. His number two-in-command henchman was and presumably still is Aymen Al-Zawahiri, (not to be confused with Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the Iraqi insurgent leader killed in a United States aerial strike in June of 2006.)
Al-Zawahiri is from a privileged, prominent Egyptian family. By profession, he is a medical doctor and a surgeon. He and some of his cohorts were imprisoned in Egypt for fourteen months and presumably tortured. While in jail, he became the spokesman for the group of his fellow prisoners, although he is reported to shun the spotlight.”
……..”Egypt and Saudia Arabia consider them to be common criminals. At the very least, they are an embarrassment to their native countries. They are hardly “Worthy Adversaries in War!”
These are two quotes, copied and pasted from Chapter 13, “Mohammed”, of my web-site. For those of you who have endless leisure time to spend on the computer, it might be an interesting overview of Islam, Mohammed, Ben Ladin, et al. Heaven know there is PLENTY of OTHER material available! I haven’t edited or updated it very much in the past 3-4 years. However, I did do considerable research from a variety of sources: newspapers, TV news and documentaries as well as historical books.
Chapter 13 is somewhat longish. You can scroll down about halfway and pick up on the background of Ben Ladin. Right now, I personally would rather be spending time with my friends on M&H than messing with my website.
Aloha! 🙂
Auntie Jean
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By: JeanΔ ¥ on October 11, 2009
at 7:48 PM
Belated condolences to you HRH Sophia EQ on the loss of your friend, I know that is one blow, actually two blows, that with stay with you forever.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 11, 2009
at 6:09 PM
I often rush and don’t proof read, but it is unforgivable that I misspelled Obama.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 11, 2009
at 6:02 PM
I for one am very glad that President Omaba is reviewing the Afghanistan situation, and defining what our mission is in that country. Are we there to fight the Taliban as well as El Qaida? I don’t know enough, at least not yet to hold an opinion. By dang. didn’t our troll throw us a bone to chew on?
US: Taliban has grown fourfold
Extra US troops are needed for combat and to train Afghan army units, McChrystal has said [AFP]
Taliban-led forces fighting US and Nato troops in Afghanistan have increased nearly fourfold since 2006, according to a US intelligence estimate presented to the US president.
The report says that the number of Taliban fighters has grown to 25,000, from 7,000 four years ago, the officials said on Friday as Barack Obama convened a fifth cabinet-level meeting on his country’s military strategy in Afghanistan.
The US president is considering whether to agree to a request by the senior commander of US and Nato forces in Afghanistan for up to 40,000 extra troops to be deployed.
General Stanley McChrystal has warned that the US mission in Afghanistan risks failure unless more troops are sent to combat the Taliban and provide training and support to Afghan government forces.
Officials said on Friday that Obama – who agreed early in his presidency to send 21,000 extra troops to Afghanistan – has not made any firm decision in regard to McChrystal’s request.
Support dwindling
Should Obama decide to send more troops, they would join a US military force that is already scheduled to reach 68,000 personnel by the end of the year. There are also about 39,000 troops serving in Afghanistan under Nato.
But the US president also has to consider a drop in US public support for the war, amid a dramatic rise in US military casualties this year.
Only 40 per cent of Americans support the presence of US troops in Afghanistan, a poll released on Wednesday by the Associated Press and GFK said.
Obama is facing pressure from his own party over the rise in US military casualties [EPA]
Obama is also facing pressure from within his Democratic Party, with several senior members understood to be in favour of pulling forces out of Afghanistan.
One of the options being looked at by the White House is to engage with the Taliban, while taking the war to al Qaeda, whose fighters are understood to be based around the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region.
Peter Baker, a writer with the New York Times, said that Obama had to assess whether sending extra troops would be actually be conducive to improving US security.
“They are trying to evaluate the threat to the United States and, in this evaluation, al-Qaeda aspires to attack the American homeland, whereas the Taliban has generally not been vocal about attacking the US directly,” he told Al Jazeera.
“So, to the extent that the Taliban is a threat to American interests, it is a threat in that it might provide safe haven for al-Qaeda.
“The question [the cabinet-level team] is grappling with is, Does it make sense to send 40,000 more troops and spend a lot more money to fight a radical group that may not even be the main threat to the US?”
‘Rough estimate’
The US intelligence estimate that 25,000 Taliban forces are ranged against the US and Nato presence in Afghanistan includes associates who are less committed to the fight, officials said.
A US counterterrorism official said the figure was a “rough” estimate because it is difficult to ascertain the size of armed opposition groups that tend to operate in small units.
“You’re not talking about fixed formations that rely solely on full-time combatants. Numbers ebb and flow. Bands of fighters appear and vanish,” the official said.
A US defence official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said that while the size of the Taliban force is far smaller than the combined US and Nato presence, the fighting methods they employ help overcome the asymmetry.
“By the very nature of insurgency, you do not need a lot of insurgents to inflict a lot of damage, because they are able to choose the time and the place to engage,” the official said.
Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 11, 2009
at 5:59 PM
And then Craig said (and I don’t mean to pick on Craig, it’s just that he says the darndest things)
“Pat Tillman I believe was killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan.”
And that would be correct. The problem is that the generals first felt they should USE the death of this well know person as propaganda. If you are interested, read an early report of the story at the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/03/AR2005050301502.html
As a complete aside, I don’t know how old you are so I don’t know if you were around when we began “training” the Vietnamese military of South Vietnam. Maybe you’ve heard how well that one came out. In retrospect, maybe we should have never become involved. I know almost to the minute, when I turned against the Vietnam War. I had met a young man who had been working on the DEW line in Alaska and was therefore exempt from the draft. He had traveled to Boston to see his dying Mother and within a couple of days of arriving, his local draft board caught up with him and signed him up in the Army. I met him in San Francisco as he was being shipped out. We corresponded for a month or so until my last letter was returned to me, rubber stamped with the words “Verified Deceased Return to Sender R.A. KOLIN Capt. AGC Asst Adj Gen” A couple of years ago I read on a veteran website that he had been killed by “friendly fire.” It became really personal for me. In my defense, I was pretty young and he was a really cute guy. I’ve always been sorry he didn’t have a chance to grow up.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 11, 2009
at 5:45 PM
The production of medical morphine is not dependant on the crop in Afghanistan.
—
Q&A on the News COX NEWS SERVICE
Question: A recent article about the opium poppy crop in Afghanistan made me wonder about the source of morphine often prescribed to relieve pain. Are opium poppies legally grown for medical purposes in this country? If not, what is the source of opium for medical morphine?
Answer: No opi…
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/mailstory-clickthru/147458.php
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 11, 2009
at 5:44 PM
TOO GOOD. Have to share.
Published on Sunday, October 11, 2009 by The New York Times
Two Wrongs Make Another Fiasco
by Frank Rich
Those of us who love F. Scott Fitzgerald must acknowledge that he did get one big thing wrong. There are second acts in American lives. (Just ask Marion Barry, or William Shatner.) The real question is whether everyone deserves a second act. Perhaps the most surreal aspect of our great Afghanistan debate is the Beltway credence given to the ravings of the unrepentant blunderers who dug us into this hole in the first place.
Let’s be clear: Those who demanded that America divert its troops and treasure from Afghanistan to Iraq in 2002 and 2003 – when there was no Qaeda presence in Iraq – bear responsibility for the chaos in Afghanistan that ensued. Now they have the nerve to imperiously and tardily demand that America increase its 68,000-strong presence in Afghanistan to clean up their mess – even though the number of Qaeda insurgents there has dwindled to fewer than 100, according to the president’s national security adviser, Gen. James Jones.
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By: JuneauJoe Δ on October 11, 2009
at 5:09 PM
Craig said “As an aside…
What would anyone think as to spraying the poppy fields in Afghanistan?”
Whenever I hear someone talking about the “poppy fields in Afghanistan,” I think of the phrase, “ what goes around, comes around “ and remember that it was the British, looking for a new source of INCOME, who encouraged the Chinese to mix OPIUM with tobacco and smoke it. It was a cash crop and they really didn’t care if those dogs, the Chinese, became addicted. It was a business proposition, don’t ya see? (all others except Craig, please excuse my snarkiness)
And please don’t forget that Morphine is made from opium poppies. It is an extremely effective pain remedy, helpful especially for those dying from cancer and other diseases since dying CAN be painful. I know I was grateful for it the day after my hip replacement. They let me control the amount but they took it away after 24 hrs and I’m not sorry I used it and I’m not sorry they took it away.
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By: HRH Sofia EQ on October 11, 2009
at 5:02 PM
poolman I did not see your comment about the poppy fields and agree 100%
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 11, 2009
at 3:48 PM
well, if it comes to making a choice between killing a plant or killing people…
hitting them in the pocket is always the best option
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 11, 2009
at 3:45 PM
The point about spraying the opium fields is well taken, Europe and Asia as well the western hemisphere is awash with addiction. Guess who are acting as the middle men getting the opium out of Afghanistan and who are dispersing it globally. You got it, the Taliban and El Qaida, opium is Bin Laden’s principle source of income since his share of the family business has been frozen, as have radical Muslim charities. Therefore some method or means of stopping Opium production is essential to fighting El Qaida where ever we find them. Again I suggest reading The Bin Ladens: An Arabian Family in the American Century by Steve Coll. .Originally, Osama’s personal fortune was grossly overestimated, and has never corrected in the press; most of El Qaida’s funding was coming from radical Muslim Charities. This book is available in paperback on Amazon, but I am sure your library can procure the book for you. If enough of you read it I am sure we will have an interesting discussion here. It is as interesting a read as a thriller, but with footnotes. I’m waiting to read his previous book, Ghost Wars: The secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001, the book that earned Mr. Coll a Pulitzer Prize.
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By: no one's puppetΔ on October 11, 2009
at 3:19 PM
“What would anyone think as to spraying the poppy fields in Afghanistan?” – Craig
We do already burn the poppy fields. This is their cash crop. Mostly we are hurting local farmers and communities when we do this. There IS a demand for the drug. If the demand went away, the drug would fade. But I don’t see the demand going away. I also don’t think this is how we should be conducting ourselves in other countries, although we have been for decades.
The US both funds and fights drugs. We work on both sides of the drug situation. This is another big area of corruption in our government. On the surface we are against all illegal drugs. Behind the scenes, we benefit greatly from the drug trade. We have no real interest in eliminating these drugs. There are big bucks involved and a huge drug enforcement bureaucracy that has no desire to shrink in size or budget. So we keep this “war” going.
Since most of these “illegal” drugs are natural and God-ordained products, I feel they do serve a purpose. Many of the cultures that use and produce these drugs have done so long before America was a nation. Many of these cultures include these drugs as part of their life and religion. It would be similar to them making hamburgers illegal and coming into our country to destroy all our hamburger stands.
If abuse is the problem, and we say that is why we “protect” our people from these things by making them illegal, then making criminals of the users is counter-productive and takes our focus and resources away from the real threats to our society. We would be better off educating the people and promoting alternative lifestyles. But that is another discussion for another day.
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By: Poolman on October 11, 2009
at 3:13 PM
“Can Barney be dancing on both sides of the aisle?” – Craig
I think what BF is saying is that the marches do not do much to change laws. He is sympathetic to the cause, but feels there are better ways to effect change. He is saying the more productive avenue would be to lobby the lawmakers. BF is openly gay and not ashamed of it. He does not force his beliefs on anyone, but also takes no crap from anyone.
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By: Poolman on October 11, 2009
at 2:45 PM
Barney Frank is half right – marches, per se, don’t affect policy – but they do enable networking and provide a unified voice that leads to the ability to affect policy.
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By: Greytdog on October 11, 2009
at 2:44 PM
“Now I would really like to know where and when Bin’s training was done. Thats a new one to me.”
Craig, there is a lot of info regarding the US and bin Laden’s relationship. Search with google for yourself and pick the source. Here is one that outlines much of our involvement with the taliban and bin Laden in the past:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2001/465/25199
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By: Poolman on October 11, 2009
at 2:36 PM
its official, craig has tourettes
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 11, 2009
at 2:33 PM
who gives a flying rats ass who BF sleeps with?
is it time to return you to ignore mode?
my switch is wearing out
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 11, 2009
at 2:18 PM
“Rep. Barney Frank, an openly gay member of Congress, said the marchers should be lobbying their lawmakers. He said the demonstrations are simply “an emotional release” that do little to pressure Congress.”
“The only thing they’re going to be putting pressure on is the grass,” the Massachusetts Democrat said Friday.
From Yahoo…
Can Barney be dancing on both sides of the aisle?
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By: CraigΔ on October 11, 2009
at 2:10 PM
FYI the unofficial estimates for the National Equality March in Washington DC stands at about 100k and that’s WITHOUT the backing of any major media outlet.
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By: Greytdog on October 11, 2009
at 1:56 PM
about my statement ‘put man power in preventing product from entering country’
not that I believe that would solve the drug problem completely because I dont believe anything really will and I have a big problem with the drug laws in this country, too many people locked up for stupid marijuana BUT I do believe in the creation of jobs.
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 11, 2009
at 1:31 PM
‘As an aside…
What would anyone think as to spraying the poppy fields in Afghanistan?’
NOT
we dont have the right to meddle
put the manpower where it counts in preventing the product from entering our country
period
end of story
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By: PalinShutUp Δ on October 11, 2009
at 1:15 PM
If anyone is so interested…I would recommend this site for an up to date pictorial review of the war in Afghanistan. Its updated every three to four days.
Some images may be graphic and others reflective.
http://cryptome.info/afpak-archive/afpak-archive.htm
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By: CraigΔ on October 11, 2009
at 12:56 PM
Pat Tillman I believe was was killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan.
“The US trained Bin Laden.”
Now I would really like to know where and when Bin’s training was done. Thats a new one to me.
Of course with respect. Elvis is still alive.
As an aside…
What would anyone think as to spraying the poppy fields in Afghanistan?
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By: CraigΔ on October 11, 2009
at 12:49 PM
I love, love, love this site! Helen you just tell it like it is. Straight talk and no BS. Did I mention I love Margaret and Helen? I will gladly catch up on your other posts and will happily anticipate your next one. OMG You are simply the Best!!
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By: CharlieO on October 11, 2009
at 12:34 PM
Craig, you’re right, it does go both ways. But we don’t need to allow it and let it flourish.
Ever since the beginning of our constitutionally-founded roots, we have had differing opinions because we knew we could. How those opinions get expressed is a topic that drives the discourse even further. Political cartoons and articles in print have ridiculed presidents for decades.
The right to a particular form of speech does not come without a sense of responsibility. Do we wish to have a country that embraces inhumanity or humanity? After all, you and I both breathe the results of our founding fathers (and mothers, my students pointed out last week).
If the Constitution is truly meant to live up to its Preamble, then the ability for this country to continue discussing what a more perfect union should be is front and center. I know one thing. The equality of its’ citizens is expanding as it should. We now know why the writers of the Constitution created this country as a way to have humanity figure out how to govern ourselves.
I can’t stop someone from poking fun of Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Ford….and on and on. But–
I can make a plea in this discourse to respect the office. Someone decided to take the bull by the horns and put themselves in front. We’ve had 44 presidents and each one saw that leading a nation with this many opinions will not be an easy ride.
My last thought is something I tell my students many times……
“Do we want to see more hurt in the world or less hurt?”