Who has the better bouffant?

Posted by: Helen Philpot | August 31, 2011

Who has the better bouffant?

Margaret, what kind of moron thinks that God destroys entire towns and kills people with a hurricane because politicians in Washington are being disagreeable? What kind of moron? The kind with the bouffant hairdo and a Minnesota accent. Honestly, if God worked that way, Irene would have headed inland towards Minnesota’s 6th Congressional District.

And speaking of bouffants, did anyone catch Rick Perry discussing abstinence? Evidently it works for him personally. I bet Anita is relieved. But I call bullshit. You don’t go to Texas A&M and make mediocre grades unless you’re spending too much time in the girl’s dormitory… or in Perry’s case the large animal vet school. I bet the cows have an opinion about Perry’s abstinence. And considering how easily he switched from Democrat to Republican, somebody might want to speak to a few of the bulls too.

I just don’t understand how so many stupid things can come out of their mouths considering how often they claim to be speaking for the Lord. Maybe each one needs to see a doctor about the voices in their head. I mean honestly, Margaret, these two manage to speak out of their mouths – both sides – and their ass without taking a breath… or a shit. Now see if you can follow the bouncing jackass:

Rick Perry wants Texas to secede because Washington has gotten too big.
Rick Perry takes $17 Billion in federal stimulus dollars.
Rick Perry uses those dollars to generate a whole bunch of new government jobs in Texas.
Rick Perry celebrates the state’s job growth in hopes that we’ll send him to Washington.

If he makes it to the White House, I’ll be the first to pick up where he left off in the Texas secession campaign.

And then there’s Michele, who doesn’t have the common sense God gave a goose. A couple of year’s ago, she decided that God’s green earth doesn’t need to stay green when she told folks, “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” Maybe she inhaled a little too much of that hairspray that keeps her hair so high.

Good Lord. This is the best the Republican Party has to offer? I think Texas has had it’s fair share of Presidents and Minnesota needs to just be satisfied with its largest ball of twine. I mean it. Really.

Posted in Uncategorized | Tags: honestly, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry

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By: online psychic on July 11, 2014
at 2:46 PM
I’m thankful for you guys!

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By: Mars Tokyo on November 24, 2011
at 12:26 PM
I miss you!

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By: Lynne on November 23, 2011
at 10:55 PM
I come back to see no Turkey Day announcements from the ladies. I guess this webpage has run its course and it is time for this old cowboy to move on. It has been a pleasure getting to know many of you.

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By: Anonymous on November 23, 2011
at 4:42 PM
American Stew. It has mostly conservatives and a liberal poster, and if they indulge in name-calling, it is not personal. Moderators have banned people. It is the only one besides H&M that I visit.

I have watched three message boards flame out. Two no longer exist. This one may have a little life in it yet. It has been a good ride, but eventually, I will be done with them all.

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By: James on November 23, 2011
at 10:03 AM
So I see this blog has probably seen its end of days. I get little blocks of time where I get to indulge in my hobby of political sparing and this used to be one of the great places to do that. I see that time has passed.

So I wonder what other places you all go to with the same type of format as this place has. I would prefer a place where the hosts do little or no moderation of thoughts from either side of the isle.

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By: Anonymous on November 23, 2011
at 8:50 AM
Helen: I am hoping you and Margaret are doing well. Please post a Thanksgiving message.

I hope your family is doing well!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 23, 2011
at 8:47 AM
I found this compelling to the argument.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

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By: Anonymous on November 23, 2011
at 8:27 AM
re: M&H. Last post by blog owners 31 August.

It’s dead. Just bury it.

This blog was once a lot of fun, but nearly all the interesting participants have gone and I can’t deal with the chronic link posters. Posting links out of context is like throwing trash out the window as you drive by; no purpose except pollution; nobody picks it up and looks at it.

I have moderated several very controversial blogs; unless you have an effective moderation policy, trolls like Ko-Tex Piss Ant (alias Tex, Wayne Perram, Anonymous, et al) will destroy any blog eventually. (When I say “troll” I know exactly what that term means and do not use it lightly. You know he doesn’t work and sits around the house all day with nothing to do except bully others, right?) Folks will say you shouldn’t block free speech, but this is not a pubic forum; it is a private blog and it is dead, dead, dead.

Unless they get an effective moderation policy, M&H is gone and that’s too bad; even the people I disagree with deserve to be able to post without attack. I have other fish to fry; I’m afraid so do they. Too bad; it was a fun place to come.

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By: PFesser on November 23, 2011
at 8:07 AM
I’d certainly second that about Orly Taitz. Why on earth would Justices like Scalia and Thomas–much less the others on the Supreme Court–repeatedly reject her efforts? Why would a Bush-appointee sanction her for frivolous claims? I have no idea whether she’s a charlatan or just very deluded, but her arguments have been very much debunked and in a non-partisan fashion.

And this blog has become the Juneau Joe/Noah show because….? Neither of you will persuade the other or, I believe, anyone else. Joe’s excessive exclamation points are no more persuasive than Noah’s insulting generalizations. It’s unfortunate that the hosts permit it.

I do hope that Craig and Mageen and others with challenges are doing well.

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By: rasansky1@gmail.com on November 23, 2011
at 7:52 AM
Perhaps it would be constructive to do a little fact checking on Orly Taitz before promoting her arguments as “evidence,” much less “compelling.” After all, her claims have been rejected by the most conservative Supreme Court justices and by conservative Court of Appeals and District Court judges.

I see that the same few people are sniping at each other on the blog. For the rest of you, as well as the hosts, best wishes for the holidays.

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By: lloydanja@yahoo.com on November 23, 2011
at 7:40 AM
It would appear we have some very compelling evidence that we have a felon and a traitor in the White House.

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By: Anonymous on November 22, 2011
at 10:35 PM
uawtradesman, I’d like to spend eternity with you and alaskapi too-also delurkergurl. Pure hell would be eternity with some of the people who no longer write here.

Also, good wishes toward Mageen, Craig, and their families.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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By: James on November 22, 2011
at 9:44 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to you too UAW! Paradise, eh? It’s very pretty but I’ve always thought paradise had to have salt water and big tides and the aurora 🙂
http://ryanmarquis.com/2011/06/10/aurora-borealis/
Joining delurkergurl in special wishes for Mageen and Craig and their partners.
Thank you Helen and Margaret for having us all in.

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By: alaskapi on November 22, 2011
at 9:10 PM
Happy Thanksgiving Helen & Margaret. I hope you’re doing “better than you deserve.” You deserve the best, so better than that is what I wish for you! Please know that your fans look forward to your posts, always.

Mageen & Craig, I really wish the best for your spouses for the holidays. I have a special tiny little friend going through leukemia complications this week and it reminds me how cancer sucks – not like a Hoover, more like a Kirby. I hope your loved ones are responding well to treatment and that you get to have some joy with them.

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By: delurkergurl on November 22, 2011
at 7:04 PM
try this for paradise…..
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=&q=paradise,+mi&gbv=2&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x4d49b6913c370ac5:0x87198f19afd304a5,Paradise,+Whitefish,+MI&gl=us&ei=KC3MToKzAuHK2AX41PTDDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CEgQ8gEwAQ

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By: uawtradesman on November 22, 2011
at 5:17 PM
Wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving….
Maybe I’ll see James or Alaskapi in Paradise…..

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

and maybe I’ll see I Repost in Hell…..

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1152&bih=714&q=hell,+mi&gs_upl=1155680l1161410l2l1162220l10l9l1l0l0l2l2550l10693l5-3.2.2.1.1l10l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x882334578757ad71:0xd45079770956618a,Hell,+MI&gl=us&ei=IijMTsyfI8nM2AW37-HLDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDwQ8gEwAg

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By: uawtradesman on November 22, 2011
at 5:08 PM
FOIA.org who’s dumped e mails started “Climatgate” has released another 5,000 e-mails which tallbloke has quoted.

“I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.”

To the anon who thought my showing how Sweden manipulated facts to show the Finns were Asian and the EU used the same facts to show the Finns were European,was random ramblings, I told you so. Again.

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By: James on November 22, 2011
at 12:41 PM
I did dome follow up reading on the video showing students being pepper sprayed. The police had told these people they needed to dispurse. So they were already guilty of participating in an unlawful gathering. One female student was resisting arrest. The police wanted a no hands dispursal of the unlawful gathering so they used a diluted pepper spray to try and get the students to leave peacefully. While there havebeen a lot of videos of late of police acting in an improper manor, in this particular case they went way out of their way to be accomidating. The person resisting arrest wast not charged. These OWS people are clearly the problem and fortunatly appear to be their own worst enemy.

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By: Anonymous on November 22, 2011
at 10:25 AM
Margaret and Helen,

I hope all is well with you two and your families.

I hope you have your Thanksgiving post up soon.

Wishing you ladies the best. I am Thankful for you.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 22, 2011
at 9:12 AM
I report, I remember the Supreme Court ruled flag burning was freedom of speech. If veterans were the people who sued, it still doesn’t tell us who burned the most flags. I support the ruling, but I don’t support pushing little old ladies down stairs or demonstrations causing people to be laid off.

The pepper spraying incident looked pretty bad. The video showed one officer’s trying to pull a student from the sidewalk and then stopping. Our son, who lives in California, said it might have been because some protesters bodily moved from one place to another have sued for hard to prove back and other injuries.

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By: James on November 22, 2011
at 7:08 AM
Ever wonder what they think of Obama around the world? While I do not understand much of the conversation, the host on live news uses the international language of support for our President.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/watch-this-russian-news-anchor-give-obama-the-middle-finger-during-broadcast/

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By: Anonymous on November 22, 2011
at 6:46 AM
We have always known that Europe in general is Liberals taken to its furthest extreme. This just in, the EU claims that water does not prevent dehydration, and will back this claim with the full force of the law.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/e-u-ruling-water-does-not-prevent-dehydration/

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By: Anonymous on November 22, 2011
at 6:40 AM
Helen and Margaret-
Just stopping in to wish you the best at Thanksgiving. Hoping all is well with you.
Wishing the best to all who stop by here , ideological friends and foes alike.

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By: alaskapi on November 21, 2011
at 11:18 PM
Things are so bad for this administration that Liberal MSNBC Hardball host Chris Matthews, who is known to throw some jabs at Republicans during his daily show, is SLAMMING Obama and his GREAT MANY FAILINGS!!! OH MY!!!

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 11:17 PM
I Repost claims that more people support this administrations policies than don’t. Funny thing is, the first lady and second lady was booed at a NASCAR event they were invited too.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-michelle-obama-and-jill-biden-get-booed-at-a-nascar-race-sunday/

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 11:12 PM
As if we didn’t already know how f*cked up Liberals are in their morality, out of California, a woman has to pay her rapist.

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/judge-orders-rape-victim-to-pay-attacker-20111121

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 10:59 PM
Simply put Conservatives are a class act. For proof all you have to do is look at the tea party. Liberals are inhuman monsters who will stoop to any level to achieve their goals. For proof all you have to do is look at OWS and I Repost. Nuff said.

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 10:54 PM
Those who know least about what is going on in the world watch FOX news.
Interesting study.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-less-informed-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

pepper Spraying at UC Davis and other places where quiet, calm gatherings were being held was excessive by any measure. Police should not be paid thugs for Wall Street. The support for OWS is high and increasing by the way.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 21, 2011
at 10:32 PM
Helen, I miss your posts. I hope you, Margaret and your families have a great Thanksgiving.

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By: Seanna on November 21, 2011
at 10:00 PM
Hey I Report….
did the supreme court also say that pushing people down stairs is freedom of speech……or terrorizing school kids……or shitting in public…….
the people that did those things need the shit slapped out of them…..
we went from land of the free to freedom of speech…… so what did happen to the land of the free??????? am I free to slap the shit out of someone that pushes me….or terrorizes my children…..or shits on my doorstep…….or offends me by burning a flag…..
Come on…..tell me what happened……tell me why the occupiers rights have more importance than the rights of a child trying to go to school or a woman trying to go down a stairway, or a person finding shit on their steps…….
better yet have Helen explain it…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 21, 2011
at 9:50 PM
I’ve got to be honest with you I Repost,what little credibility you might have had on here has been spent. You support a group that has all the makings of a terrorist organization. You blather on about OWS and the things that benefits you and turn a blind eye to the grievous crimes they commit. You link websites that use misleading or just plain false information to back your outrageous claims. You don’t don’t care what is true or what is best for this country, and you certainty don’t care about the common man. Simply put dude, you’re a F*cking Joke and a real piece of shyt. Just sayin.

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 9:11 PM
I believe there was a supreme court ruling because of the Vets burning the flag which said in essence, ‘Flag burning was freedom of speech.’

http://crooksandliars.com/richard-rj-eskow/superfail-7-amazing-supercommitte

GOP VOTERS HOLD “EXTREME” VIEW OF CUTS – EXTREMELY “LIBERAL,” THAT IS
“Left” Anti-Supercommittee Views Supported by Almost 3 Out of 4 Republicans

We’re already hearing that the unwillingness of some Democrats to sign on to cuts in Social Security and Medicare – the few, the proud, the real Dems – is a sign of “ideological rigidity on the extreme left.” Pundits are referring Senators like Bernie Sanders and Representatives like the members of the House Progressive and African-American Caucuses.

Extreme left? Their position is supported by three out of four voters – Republican voters, that is. A new poll confirms what previous polls have shown: Once voters have these proposed deals explained to them, they hate them.

Nearly three out of four voters are against changing Social Security’s cost of living adjustment (COLA), as the White House and some Democratic supercommittee members were prepared to do. That includes 70 percent of Republicans and 78 percent percent of seniors, who turn out to vote in larger numbers than other age groups.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 21, 2011
at 6:46 PM
Anon, 1150 AM, so I’m a Nazi now, am I? So far, I’ve been figuratively walking all over you, and I don’t need to goose step to do it. You are one of the notches on my key board. I may have to carve a new one for you.

I report, anecdotal stories don’t tell us much about flag burning. I watched college students burn several flags on television, and I know veterans burned flags too. Neither of us knows who burned the most flags.

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By: James on November 21, 2011
at 5:23 PM
Wow…just wow.
http://www.breitbart.tv/obamas-occupywallstreet-protester-claims-i-wouldnt-give-a-fck-if-911-happened-911-more-times/

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 4:34 PM
The Daily Newt!!

http://juanitajean.com/2011/11/21/the-daily-newt-12/

Okay, so who is the one man on this planet who can unite George Will and Paul Krugman?

Newt.

Oh, it’s such fun!

“It is an amazingly efficient candidacy in that in embodies everything disagreeable about modern Washington,” Will said, running through a long list of problems he had with Gingrich.

And Krugman may have the best line e.v.e.r. about Newt by saying, “he’s a stupid man’s idea of what a smart man sounds like.”

Burning the Flag: I remember the burning the flag incidents during and after VietNam. It was generally a veteran from the war who was denied or having trouble getting health care benefits he needed. Some of them were military vets who were homeless and frustrated by not getting any help with housing.
I think you would have had a fight on your hands with those fellows if you tried to beat them up.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 21, 2011
at 3:48 PM
Wow, I guess there really is nothing these Liberals won’t do. First off it is telling what kind of person I Repost is that he would support them. Secondly not one Liberal has stepped up to denounce this kind of activity, to tell us that this does not represent them. What kind of monsters are these people anyway?

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 3:16 PM
Yes I Report….what happened to the land of the Free???????

free to walk down a stairs……
Occupy DC (O.W.S.) Pushes Elderly Women Down Stairs

free to go to school…..
http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-protesters-terrify-school.html

free to shit on the sidewalk….
http://tv.breitbart.com/caught-on-video-occupy-protester-defecates-in-public-street/

Hey I Report….am I “free” to slap the shit out of someone if I catch them burning the Flag….

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/relaxed_standards_for_ows_violence.html

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By: uawtradesman on November 21, 2011
at 1:33 PM
Newt Was Right On The ‘Super Committee’

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By: uawtradesman on November 21, 2011
at 12:42 PM
Go Newt—Go Newt—Go Newt—Go Newt!!!! Oh MY!!!!!

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 12:40 PM
More substantive commentary from the Left. Maybe this IS the best the Liberals have to offer after all.

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 12:37 PM
GO NEWT

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By: uawtradesman on November 21, 2011
at 12:34 PM
Keep goose stepping James it becomes you.

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 11:50 AM
Well I think it is safe to say I Repost is stumped. He walks the rhetoric line of the Liberal party well, but when has to think outside the box, and take his ideas out into the real world, he is as much a failure as his political party. Thanks I Repost for showing that like your Liberal party, that there is nothing beyond your talking points. Like your Nazi forefathers, you may continue to spread your propaganda. But I have now shown conclusively that you and your Liberal ideas/party are a sham, and no greater victory could I ask for.

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 9:57 AM
this is really good….
Mr.(I am going to keep my yacht in another state so I don’t have to pay the taxes) Kerry is complaining about people not wanting to pay more taxes…..
What a dildo…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 21, 2011
at 9:45 AM
A new Record in Green House Gas levels for 2010.. When should we worry? I think now myself.

Concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere rose to yet another high in 2010, according to the UN’s weather agency.

Levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) – the major contributor to climate change – rose by 2.3 parts per million between 2009 and 2010.

That exceeds the average for the past decade of 2.0 parts per million, the World Meteorological Organization says.

The latest round of UN climate talks begin in South Africa in two weeks.

“The atmospheric burden of greenhouse gases due to human activities has yet again reached record levels since pre-industrial time,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15820162

BTW: The case for people under 100,000.00 yearly income keeping their tax cuts is that they spend the extra money they get on goods and services which helps expand the economy. The millionaires and billionaires put the extra cash in the bank or in the stock market.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 21, 2011
at 9:40 AM
THE GROVER NORQUIST PLEDGE KILLED THE SUPER COMMITTEE!

Treasury estimates the costs of making the tax cuts permanent for everyone is $3.7 trillion over 10 years.

Of that, $3 trillion accounts for the cost of extending them for the vast majority of Americans, as the president has proposed. The remaining $700 billion is the cost of extending them permanently for the high-income earners.

The cost would obviously be less if the cuts were extended for only one or two years. There are no formal estimates for a short-term extension, but based on Treasury Department estimates, the cost is likely to range anywhere from $200 billion to $500 billion, depending on whose cuts are extended and for how long.

Those who support extending the tax cuts note that if the cuts expire and the economy suffers as a result, the deficit will get worse because the government will have to borrow more.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/15/news/economy/bush_tax_cuts_faqs/index.htm

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 21, 2011
at 9:21 AM
THE LAND OF THE FREE!!!! Does this still apply today? (We had the papper spraying incidents of people at UCD and other places as they peacefully protested.)

The United States if now rated below average on the Social Justice meter.
IS IT REALLY – AND JUSTICE OR ALL?

Compared to the rest of the world, the United States ranks surprisingly low when it comes to “social justice” metrics. Those watching or participating in the Occupy Wall Street movement would only disagree with the surprise-aspect of the graphic. They’re aware of the problems facing Americans today.
Still, it’s amazing to see some of the countries ranked better than the US on these metrics. What happened to “the Land of the Free”?

http://mediacaffeine.com/the-united-states-ranks-below-average-for-social-justice/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 21, 2011
at 8:53 AM
I can only chuckle as I Repost and his kind look at the Bush tax cuts as taking away THEIR money. It is if they have suspended reality and forgotten that the money belonged to someone else in the first place.

Then their is the notion that Tax increases are “Saving Money” The government is an entity that does not generate money. It takes money and spends money. For there to be a “savings”, the government would have to spend less, not take more.

I Repost, how do you suppose the government is able to pay its bills? A tax on the revenue generated by the country as a whole, yes? So it stands to reason, that the more money the country makes, the more that the government received in taxes. Here is where the rubber meets the road.

For ending the Bush tax cuts to be of benefit it must not harm business. So to meet this criteria, you need to show me how business will not be harmed in anyway. Because if business is harmed, and business generates less revenue, then there is less for the government to tax, thus loosing the benefit of the increased taxes.

Now considering when the tax cuts were implemented, I would like you to show me a direct causal relation to the tax cuts and jobs being lost and being the primary reason why we are at 9% unemployment. Just so you are aware I have some strong video evidence that the Democrats and their failed policies on home and toxic loans had more to do with it than the Bush tax cuts, but I look forward to reviewing your concrete evidence backing your claims. You do have evidence, don’t you?

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 8:25 AM
The Bush tax credits did help create jobs, and brought more money into the government. The unemployment rate during Bush’s second term before the crash was about 4^%. The New York Times also mentioned the “surprise windfall.”

The crash took our jobs. Had the Bush tax cuts not been in effect, we might have lost more jobs than we did.

I agree with some of your comments about tax reform for businesses and investors. However, a straight tax increase on people who earn $200,000 or more will not increase revenues much as Democrats predict because the extra drain on the economy will raise less tax revenue.That will happen because the economy will remain stagnant.

We could cut spending by defundng parts of Obamacare. The money has not yet been spent, so there would be no additional pain to the economy.

Democrats don’t want an agreement because failure will given them a political talking point.Some think our military should be gutted, but they will be able to cry crocadile tears about how Republicans are leaving our nation defenseless. This also puts Republicans in a tricky position.

Republicans are not afraid of Grover. They are afraid of the Tea Party. Some think they can get a better deal if they wait for Democrats to lose the next election.

As in Blazing Saddles, Democrats are holding a gun to their collective heads and begging the rest of us to do what the gunman says.

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By: James on November 21, 2011
at 7:02 AM
Cutting the Bush Tax Cuts SAVES US FROM BORROWING 800 BILLION PER YEAR!!! Cutting the Bush Tax cuts saves us from borrowing money – every day, week, month and year. If we DO NOT HAVE TO BORROW THIS MONEY FROM CHINA – THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CUT IN MONEY WE OWE. It will cut the deficit spending by 800 Billion per year.

If the 10 years Bush Tax Credits created jobs, we would not have 9% unemployment. We would have jobs begging for help but THE BUSH TAX CUTS DID NOT WORK in making jobs for US citizens!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 21, 2011
at 3:01 AM
You still didn’t answer the question. IF taking it all won’t pay for even 1 year of Obama’s budget, what do you hope to accomplish by raising taxes?

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By: Anonymous on November 21, 2011
at 12:02 AM
Juanita Jean has information about Grover Norquist, the man who stopped the Super Committee Cold!!

Now if you’re wondering how Grover Norquist, a rather homely little man with limited reasoning and kindness skills, came to be the most powerful man in the world, it’s because he devised a plan to get people to sell their souls and their belief in America to him in exchange for an ego boosting congressional seat.

http://juanitajean.com/2011/11/20/president-grover/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 20, 2011
at 10:35 PM
What do you do? You cut the Bush Tax Credits. You pass things that will get people working. You do some cuts, including military. Hanging onto the Grover Norquist Pledge at this stage is totally crazy.

There’s only one–let me repeat this. I want America to understand this. There’s one thing standing between us and avoiding a sequester and doing $1.2 trillion, and that one thing is the Republican unwillingness to not push for the Bush tax cuts to be extended now. We’ve even talked to them about guaranteeing them a fast track for tax reform. We’ll do tax reform before next December. We’ll do tax reform for business. We could lower the corporate tax rate. We could wind up with a major initiative that will create jobs and do our country well, avoid the sequester, show that America works…

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/kerry-republicans-wont-give-bush-tax-cuts-s

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 20, 2011
at 10:21 PM
Let me try to put this in a way even someone like you can understand I Repost.

We are in the middle of the ocean in the great ship Titanic. We have just struck an Ice Burg. You get up off your knees from servicing the captain to see a sign on the Ice Burg labeled, National Debt. You see that at this present time the Gash in the side of the ship is about $15 trillion wide. You then estimate that about $100,000 every 5 seconds on Liquid Interest is poring into your ship through this enormous Gash. What do you do?

Well, your first plan is to go down there with a bucket. So you grab the nearest bucket, and you notice a sign on the bucket that says New Taxes. So with your New Taxes in hand you run below and start to bail. You work and you work but you know almost instantly that you cannot bring enough New Buckets to take on the Liquid Interest that is poring in. Now what do you do?

Hopefully at some point it would occur to you that we need to reduce the size of the Gash. If we could only shrink the Gash, reduce it some how, then less Liquid Interest would poor into our ship and prevent us from sinking. So you start to reduce the size of the Gash. You shrink it down, and you start to notice that less and less Liquid Interest is coming in. Eventually, you notice that without bringing in any New Buckets, the Liquid Interest is going out faster than it is coming in, and you have saved the day.

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By: Anonymous on November 20, 2011
at 8:50 PM
Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.
Jacques Barzun

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By: uawtradesman on November 20, 2011
at 8:49 PM
explain to me how Bush ran a war for 10 years??????the last 3 are Obama’s I believe……
lets see…….Obama and the surge…..Obama and Guantanamo bay……Obama whacked Bin Laden……Obama whacked Gaddafi…..Damn I’m starting to like this guy……Who’s next—–
aneedahandjob maybe……

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By: uawtradesman on November 20, 2011
at 8:39 PM
I Repost, I think we all understand you think Bush is the Debil. The Debil I tell you!!!!. OK…so….now that we have established Bush did all that is evil in the world. Let us set that aside, ok? Just push it on over there to the side, and lets move on to things not of Bush…..so…

Obama”s budget. It costs a lot of money. A LOT!!!. Now, if we take everything from everyone over 100k, All their Money…All of their houses…All of their possessions, and sell them. Sell Microsoft, and GE, and everyone else. If we do all of that, we still cannot pay for Obama’s budget. So, if after all that we still cannot pay for Obama’s budget, what is it you hope to accomplish with raising taxes?

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By: Anonymous on November 20, 2011
at 8:24 PM
A man who has both feet planted firmly in the air can be safely called a liberal as opposed to the conservative, who has both feet firmly planted in his mouth.
Jacques Barzun

By the way: Why did Bush continue his wars for 10 years? Had they been run reasonably well, they could have been done much sooner. Who got Bin Laden? I forget.

800 Billion per year borrowed from China for tax cuts for the wealthiest adds up. All on my kids credit card but Bush and his buddies got the Maybach and/ or Bentley.

Palin/ Anonymouse 2012
Grover Norquist got his wishes with the Super Committee!!! Whoopee – let the interest rates rise!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 20, 2011
at 6:14 PM
You may not have heard I Repost, Bush isnt President anymore kiddo!!! Now my man, lets go slower so you can keep up. If everything is taken from those than earn 100k+ and it still wont pay for 1 year of Obama’s budget, what do you hope to accomplish by raising taxes?

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By: Anonymous on November 20, 2011
at 3:57 PM
Proven: TWO UNPAID FOR WARS, one we were lied to get into, TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHIEST, AN UNPAID PRESCRIPTION PROGRAM, DE-REGULATION OF CORPORTATIONS AND BANKING results in MASSIVE DEFICITS AND OUT OF CONTROL CORPORATIONS WHO BUY UP GOVERNMENT POWER.

Where are the jobs which were to be created by our being trickled on?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 20, 2011
at 12:53 PM
since it has been proven that if you take all the wealth above 100k, and all their assets and sell it off, that it would fail to pay for even 1 year of this administration, what do you hope to accomplish with anything less than a 100% tax on all income over 100k?

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By: Anonymous on November 20, 2011
at 12:05 PM
EPIC FAIL! Super Committee fails!!! Why?? GROVER NORQUIST AND HIS NO TAX PLEDGE set up the failure which will impact our economy negatively.

A member of the group called PATRIOTIC MILLIONAIRES talked to Grover Norquist recently and from the discussion, feel Grover needs to live in Somalia.

“[Norquist] raised an issue we get all the time which is, ‘Well there’s nothing stopping you guys from paying higher taxes, just send a check to the government!’ And this to me is frankly an absurd position; I don’t consider it to be a very serious argument. Government is not a charity and we can’t rely on voluntary contributions from people to support the things that government does. And I also said to him, ‘Look would you be willing to sign a pledge where you’re willing to forgo all the benefits that government provides? Are you willing to sign a pledge that says you don’t want the U.S. military to protect you? That you will refuse to contact the police if somebody steals from you? That you will refuse to contact the fire department if your house is on fire? Because that’s the equivalent! Why should you get a free ride? Why should you benefit from my willingness to support the government? Let’s do it together.’ And he said, ‘If I don’t have to pay any taxes for it, I would forgo all those things!’ To which my response was, ‘Well there’s an easy way to do that, move to Somalia!’ And his argument was, ‘Somalia doesn’t suffer from too little government, it suffers from too much government.’ I don’t even begin to understand what that means, but again there’s only so much you can go into in these conversations.”, said Eric Schoenberg, member of Patriotic Millionaires.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 20, 2011
at 11:54 AM
UC DAVIS CHANCELLOR walks 3 blocks to her SUV after her students get Pepper Sprayed. Very compelling video.

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – It is either them or Romney!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 20, 2011
at 11:28 AM
I’ve my doubts I Repost’s mouth would hold out till 2016.

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By: Anonymous on November 20, 2011
at 8:47 AM
Had a thought that scared the shit out of me…..

Obama/I Report 2012

Oh shit…..

Biden/I Report 2016

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By: uawtradesman on November 20, 2011
at 8:01 AM
I wonder if just for a few days we can be Thankful for all we DO have. Start with the computer you are reading this on, and electricity, and the freedom to let fly our opinions and this wonderful sight that has given me so much to think about when Margaret and Helen decide to gift us with their conversation. I am also thankful for the education that made me able to write, read, type and think clearly. I am thankful for a bright hardworking model of a president that we have in Mr. Obama and his lovely family. I wish those, even those who seem filled with unrest, at least a happy, family filled, joyful day in which we can be grateful for the thousands of good things in our lives. For one day can we back off and wish each other peace of mind?

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By: fets on November 20, 2011
at 12:08 AM
Pepper spray doesn’t equate with dead bodies at Kent State. I watched the show as it happened. Some of the protesters were provocative. They knew what would happen. Some of the police were injured too.

You give Grover Norquist too much credit.

I forgot that our son in law told us another product from Finland was the Linux computer system.

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By: James on November 19, 2011
at 11:03 PM
Mention promises one more time and I will list the 53 broken promises by Obama each time you do from this point forward.

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By: Anonymous on November 19, 2011
at 9:05 PM
College Students Pepper Sprayed as they quietly protest. Over reaction by the police. Remember Kent State?

http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/occupyucdavis-police-riot-gear-use-che

PROMISES: REPUBLICANS MADE A PROMISE TO GROVER NORQUIST AND THAT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER ANY PROMISE TO VETERANS!!
There is wiggle room with Veterans, no wiggle room with Billionaires and Grover!! Priorities!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 19, 2011
at 8:11 PM
I understand about what we call “rent a cop”s here. One of my wife’s former students was a police officer. We were at their house when he got a call from a client, and he was gone for the evening.

What I don’t grasp is Wall Streets’ paying for the police to up date their equipment and then expecting special service. How did they pay the million dollars? Did they bypass the city and give it directly to the police department, or was it a tax payment to the government?

I can understand the city’s trying to stop a Wall Street shut down with or without Wall Street money. Many of we normal people work there or have schools and businesses in the neighborhood.

I’ll admit when a man knocked over a barracade section and the police chased and arrested him. I felt like yelling “storm them!! There are more of you than of them!” The barracade was only about three feet high. I didn’t understand why more didn’t just step over it.

My reaction was as inappropriate as when I rooted for Thelma and Louise.

We made a promise to the people who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. My niece, her husband, and others we know fought there. Breaking our promise to them is like the man who said during the Reagan years, “lets re draft the Vietnam era veterans.It would cost less to retrain them.”

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By: James on November 19, 2011
at 7:31 PM
My brother , a police officer, would make extra money by going to various private functions. His overtime wages were paid for by the company who rented the policemen.

Wall Street paid a million dollars to the NYPD so they could update their equipment. So, when they get a crowd, they get first priority on service. The businesses and city determine how much of the overtime is to be paid by each entity.

Colbert figured it out: MAKE THE 1% PAY. That is, the 1% who fought in Iraq or Afghanistan for our country! Lower their benefits and health care costs. Of course, Colbert would not ask the wealthiest among us to pay more in taxes.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/stephen-colbert-slams-super-committee-and-c

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – We need a good laugh.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 19, 2011
at 6:29 PM
What? “Police are paid by the highest bidder?” Are they mercenaries, a private army that you or I could buy if we spent the money? Virtually everyone who works for an employer works for the highest bidder. If wages are too low, they move on.

Everyone’s taxes pay for the police. Is the retired officer daft?

Does he think the wall street folks slip a little extra into the police officers pay checks?

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By: James on November 19, 2011
at 4:51 PM
It seems like only men post on this old lady’s blog. Is it an inadequacy thing?

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By: Anonymous on November 19, 2011
at 4:42 PM
Someone really needs to teach I Repost basic economics. When the interest on the debt you owe grows exponentially because of Obama $1 trillion+ a year spending spree, that takes away money that should be going towards the programs he covets. When you bury your head in the sand and pretend the debt doesn’t exist, it grows, as does our interest payment. Meaning that each and every quarter we have to pay more and more towards our debt, meaning less and less for those in need. Republicans are the true compassionate party. They realize we have to get our economy up and running, pay off our debt, so we have the money to fund these social programs. They don’t believe in making our grand kids pay so we can live easier today.

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By: Anonymous on November 19, 2011
at 4:34 PM
A Philly Police Officer (retired) got arrested in NY at the protests and talks about the experience. He calls the NYPD ‘paid thugs for Wall Street’ I think it is true. Police paid for by the highest bidder. Quite Interesting Discussion!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 19, 2011
at 4:27 PM
Yes, I know Finland is classed as a welfare nation. So are the other Scanidavian countries. I’m glad you recognize that Finland does have a fine educational system.

The government pays students to attend school. Advanced degrees are considered a right. A country with over five million people has fifteen or twenty universities. Unfortunately, it creates an educational imbalance. Too many people are earning PHD’s in under water basket weaving and too few are becoming plumbers or electricians.

Still we could learn a lot from them. The Finish system gives teachers much more freedom than ours does, and society holds teachers in high repute. “Free” or not the system and the culture hold many features we ought to borrow. Finland spends less per student than the US, I think.

Increased spending is creating deficits as it is in other countries. Taxes are high, and many officials are corrupt. The government has been reducing spending on welfare programs to control the deficit.

Its a stretch to call them conservative or akin to the Tea Party, but a protest movement, the True Finns, is gaining political power. They consider the poor EU nations to be deadbeats, and they want to abolish Swedish as an official language.

A meteorologist in charge of we Omaha area volunteer observers visited last week. His family, like my wife’s grandmother is from Sweden. They also spent a few days in Finland.

The Finns they talked to are unhappy with high taxes and their stagnant incomes. They also don’t like the Swedes.

The Fins and Scandinavians are so advanced because of who they are, not a welfare system. They have been able to manage with and in spite of welfare better than we because their populations are homogeneous and fairly low. Their system has served them well, but they need to adjust it now. The Sami and Fins are indigineous Europeans as our Indians are. They are survivors of the ice age. Socialism or capitalism won’t stop them.

You will not do it, but if you google Sami singer Sofia Jannok “Liekkas” and especially Marie Boine– ” I Come from the Other Side” you will know what joiking is. It is at the end of the songs. Sweden outlawed joiking for years.

Swedish folk singer Sofia Karlsson: Jeg Vanter is good. Its your loss if you don’t hear her sing.

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By: James on November 19, 2011
at 3:44 PM
Jesse LaGreca discusses OWS!!! Jesse is amazing!!! I am so glad FOX found him.

when you look at the solutions that the Republican Party offered, it`s the same nonsense they`ve been showing on us for 30 years. Tax cuts for the rich. We just give the rich all the money they want, then they`ll finally feel secure and create jobs for us.

On the other hand, they`re busting unions, making it hard for us to put food on our family`s table, denying us health care, what is it, 40,000 people in America die every single year because of lack of health care, preventable diseases. It makes me laugh that the guys who literally fought to give corporations the right to freedom of speech want to deny Americans the right to protest in a public place.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jesse-lagreca-discusses-ows-movement-ed-sc

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 19, 2011
at 3:36 PM
About Finland, do you know that the country is classified as a welfare nation? That’s right free education beginning with daycare and universal health care. That explains why they are so advanced!

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By: Anonymous on November 19, 2011
at 1:48 PM
The Democratic party crashed the economy. The video proof in their own words linked above.

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By: Anonymous on November 19, 2011
at 1:18 PM
$850,000 to discredit the OWS. WallStreet is worried, and they should be. They crashed the economy and are insisting that the middle class and poor pay for their blatant disregard their lavish parties, 2nd and 3rd mansions, Bentleys and then smirking all the way to the bank.

Great Link: A must see actually.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/ows-hit-job?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politicus+USA+%29

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – Sarah, “I Quit as Gov to make millions” (Then she bitches about other Political figures doing the same.)

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 19, 2011
at 1:09 PM
Whining ill becomes you.

I watched the live feed of the protest from time to time. The OWS used their chance at free speech, and unlike the right wingers, they disobeyed police orders. Compared to what I saw during the Vietnam war, it was pretty mild with little blood shed on either side. They should have been marching on Congress and the White House. They make the rules.

Sarah Palin earned most of her money after she left office. The Clintons and Johnsons did well too. Michele Obama got a good hospital job because her husband was in the Illinois legislature.

You know singling out Sarah is dishonest and that someone would call you on it They all do it.

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By: James on November 19, 2011
at 12:08 PM
Sarah Palin talks about politicians becoming wealthy by being in office. (Sarah is an expert on this topic.)

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/palin-hangover-ex-governor-lambasts-rich-politicians-what-about-herself#.Tsfhkv5c_kY.facebook

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – We need a new flavor of the month.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 19, 2011
at 11:22 AM
OWS – Some people go out on a windy and cold night to protest Wall Street.
They get beat up and pepper sprayed.

Free Speech only for Right Wingers??

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 19, 2011
at 11:05 AM
NEWT: Jon Stewart says Newt will not be the Republican Candidate.
The Serial Adulterer is not having a good week – DANG!!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-17-2011/indecision-2012—no-really–they-can-t-decide?xrs=synd_facebook

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 19, 2011
at 7:49 AM
Thanks anon 1:28PM.

Finland is a small underpopulated country, but it has managed to affect our lives.

H. R. Tolkien based his famous story “Lord of the Rings” on a Finnish legend. Middle Earth was borrowed from “Kalevala” the Finnish national epic.

The Nordic Mobile Telephone system in Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden began in 1981. It was the first mobile phone network to feature international roaming. An electrical engineer working for the company is considered by some to be the father of the cell phone.

In 1991, the first GSM network of cell phones began in Finland. This second generation combined with more transmitting stations and new technology to allow for smaller cell phones.

Another new feature was text messaging. It soon spread to other cell phone networks.

In 1998, the first downloadable content sold to mobile phones was the ring tone, launched by Finland’s Radiolinga company. Advertising on cell pones first appeared in Finland when free daily SMA news headline service began in 2000 sponsored by advertising.

Nokia, a Finish company is the world’s biggest cell phone manufacturer.

Finland has also produced a number of formula one sports car drivers.

Finland’s insistance that Greece offer collateral or it would refuse to offer more loans created fear that Greece might default. World stock markets fell.

According to “Sami Culture”, the Soviet Union invaded Finland in 1939 because it refused to permit military bases in their country. Finns retaliated in what was described as “one of the world’s greatest examples of the triumph of local knowledge and sheer tenacity over brute force.” The Soviets lost 27.000 men, and the Sami 2,700.

The Finnish Miracle site wrote if you are a teacher, the word “Finland” fills you wit awe. Because everyone in the schooling industry knows that Finland is the international all-star of education.” Someday, the United States may adopt Finish methods.

He who laughs last… Don’t forget to thank a Finn the next time you use a cell phone.

“Oh to one day have witty and substantive commentary like a liberal.” Obviously, you are not a liberal.

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By: James on November 18, 2011
at 8:22 PM
Bachmann wants to move up in the polls. Here is her commercial – she says she is the real thing.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/michele-bachmann-decides-that-if-she.html

Bachmann/Anonymouse 2012 – just not the same ring to it

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 — Only the real idiot will work – The Real Thing

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 18, 2011
at 8:14 PM
Oh to one day have witty and substantive commentary like a Liberal.

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By: Anonymous on November 18, 2011
at 5:01 PM
James:

And what effect does this great Finniness have on the world? ROTFLMAO

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By: Anonymous on November 18, 2011
at 4:33 PM
Hey I Report….
I found this one funny….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/newt-gingrich-washington-outsider/2011/11/17/gIQAdRTJUN_blog.html

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By: uawtradesman on November 18, 2011
at 2:33 PM
OH SHIT!!!!!!…..or business as usual…..

What censure? Charles Rangel’s back

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68549.html

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By: uawtradesman on November 18, 2011
at 2:19 PM
I just think it’s neat that other people realize that I Report swallows……
He must be like Freddie Mac…..won’t listen to anyone’s advice……

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By: uawtradesman on November 18, 2011
at 2:03 PM
Very well stated James. Most impressive post of the month..maybe 2

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By: Anonymous on November 18, 2011
at 1:28 PM
in home care…, its nice that your caregivers let you use the computer. Lets read more from you.

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By: James on November 18, 2011
at 12:46 PM
Anonymous, a Newsweek ranking of the world’s best countries based on education, government, economic opportunity and living standards, ranks Finland at number one. The United States is eleventh on their list. Finland’s economy is comparable to Britain’s, Germany’s, and France’s. They rank as the twenty- third richest country in the world after France.

Finland’s educational system is one of the world’s best, and their literacy rate is about 100%. They belong to NATO. Finland was also one of the richer EU nations campaigning to expel Greece if they submitted EU terms to a reforendum.

According to one source Finland has the largest per capita number of blonds and members of Mensa in the world.

It doesn’t matter whether or not you are blond, and you obviously don’t belong to Mensa, so I will spell it out so that you can understand.

Issues like global warming, Newt, and OWS remain unsettled. You, I report the other anon, uaw tradesman, and I are privy to the same information, but we interpret it differently. Anon asked a rhetorical question about why I report sees the world so apart from his. I offered my opinion with an example.

I illustrated my point by showing how politicians, scientists, and national leaders twist the same information to fit their agendas and convince people to believe them. Unlike here with our current debate, the Finish status argument has lasted more than two hundred years with time to change collective conclusions from one extreme to the other

It is as if President Obama’ tells us tomorrow that the OWS protest movement is bad for the country and that we need to embrace the methods and values of the Tea Party movement. Then, Sarah Palin endorses Obama.

All of this happens with no new information and it is done in such a way that you become critical of OWS and conservatives vote for Obama. Manipulation of information is used to change public conceptions and political views here as it is in Scandinavia. The liberal press, for example, tries to portray OWS and the Tea Party as what they are not. Thanks to the internet, the truth comes out.

More importantly, my shameless use of Finland educated you though you didn’t care. Next, I will try to include Wales, Denmark, Germany, and Sweden, just for you.

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By: James on November 18, 2011
at 12:40 PM
Wow you are hilarious! Please keep posting!

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By: in-home care charlotte nc on November 18, 2011
at 11:24 AM
James:

Is there some point in all this random blathering on about your Finnish relatives? In the scheme of things don’t the Finns rank somewhere on the world’s stage down around the level of the Somalians and Marshall Islanders?

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By: Anonymous on November 18, 2011
at 10:33 AM
Makes one wonder what I Repost is all about. He will never defend anything he says he supports, he will only put links to it. Only thing we know for sure is he is someone’s bitch, just not sure who.

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By: Anonymous on November 18, 2011
at 10:30 AM
POOR NEWT: It was only 1.6 Million but people are getting bothered by it.
Andrea Mitchell is not buying it… Poor Newt..

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/even-andrea-mitchell-scoffs-newt-gingri

Palin/Anonymouse 2012

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 18, 2011
at 10:14 AM
Called it. Sadly Liberals ARE that predictable

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By: Anonymous on November 18, 2011
at 10:00 AM
Saying Freddie Mac needed a bail out after Newt’s advice is a stretch. We don’t know what he told them or if they followed his advice. I doubt they got into trouble on the advice of one man.

Anon, I don’t know if I report knows why he supports OWS more then we understand why we interpret the facts differently. Why do some people support Newt and others not based on the same information?

I did some research on my Finnish cousins and learned more than teachers told me in school. The fact is maybe a quarter to a third of Finnish and Sami people have varying degrees of noticable Asiatic features, even if they are blond. Others, such as Ukrainians, Russians, and Irish do too on rarer occasions.

Recent genetic tests show Finns and especially Sami are European but they are genetically and linguistically different from other Europeans.

When Sweden ruled Finland, they twisted scientific information to argue that Finns were not European. As transplanted Asians, they were inferior. Later, the Soviet Union influenced the region, and Finns found it to be in their interest to emphasize their eastern roots.

In the United States, Finns were clannish, hard workers and socialist. Employers began to prefer them to other nationalities. When they helped organize labor strikes which turned violent, a group tried to get them deported under the Asian Exclusion Act.

The Soviets are gone, and Finland has joined the EU. Now, Finland is European and researchers who say differently are guilty of “voodoo science.” Basically, the same information was twisted to fit the political agenda which was in vogue at the time.

People believe what they want to believe.

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By: James on November 18, 2011
at 10:00 AM
The latest on Newt. Looks like it was close to 2 Million that he got for giving Freddie Mac great advice. (Interesting that Freddie needed a 54 Billion dollar bailout after his great advice.) Michelle Bachmann is bothered by Newt taking millions from Freddie.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/the-fall-and-rise-of-newt-gingrich-the-note/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 18, 2011
at 9:13 AM
I watched some of the live links as OWS milled about the edge of Wall Street, Zuccotti Park and back. The commentator, who is sympathetic to the movement, asked for estimates of the crowd size at that time. Some gave numbers as high as 3,000. He repeated it, but said asking the protesters was biased because they might inflate the numbers. Others gave lower estimates, and he settled for a compromise of several hundred.

The protesters were split into two groups and tried to out flank the police officers.The second group also probably numbered several hundred. Several times, the police herded them onto sidewalks or locked them in the park. Other times, when they were outnumbered, they let the protesters march.

It was rather intense several times, and I can understand why the police would feel threatened. However, it was pretty mild compared to what I saw during the anti-Vietnam war protests-very little shed blood from either side.

Some of them apparently occupied an empty building and threw pamphlets from the windows. Based on the number of papers tossed from the same windows, maybe ten or twelve were in the building.

Based on what I saw, I think the 30,000 figure was inflated. Several thousand sounds more accurate. Their numbers did go up toward evening when labor unions arrived.

I have no more sympathy for Dorli Rainey who, I think is 84 than for anyone else who was there. She shouldn’t have been checking the protest out. She is old enough to know better. I believe, somewhere, a pregnant woman was pepper sprayed too. If they were pepper sprayed, others were also. What makes her more special than the others? Someone is trying to use sweet little old lady, Dorli as a martyr for emotional effect.

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By: James on November 18, 2011
at 7:56 AM
I Repost. I wonder could you explain why you support OWS? Seriously. They have all the makings of a terrorist organization. From yelling over and over for hundreds of more 9/11 attacks on the U.S., to raping and murdering innocents, to desecrating the 9/11 memorial, to child and drug abuse. Also, in what ways do you find this terrorist organization superior to the Tea Party?

Are you a cheer leader that just swallows for the Liberal party on command, or are you capable of answering the harder questions? Having seen what you have been able to post at this point I expect you to either totally ignore this or toss a meaningless one liner laced with insults. If you are a true supporter then step up to the plate and do them a large one, and defend them. Or be a coward…your choice.

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By: Anonymous on November 18, 2011
at 7:18 AM
OWS – It is important for people to pay attention. Corporate Run USA is the problem. Until the political class starts to listen – OWS will continue to GROW AND GROW!!! (I will mention that there is no yelling of FOX for people to attend these rallies as was done with the TeaParty.) OWS is truly an organic uprising of people tired of being trickled on.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/van-jones-and-alan-grayson-strength-ows-mo

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 18, 2011
at 5:24 AM
THIS IS BEAUTIFUL!! Dorli Rainey, a Seattle, 80+ year old woman talks about her getting pepper sprayed by the Seattle Police. She checked out Occupy Seattle and this nice lady got pinned in and Pepper Sprayed.

Dorli is my newest hero!!!! I love this woman!!!! So will you.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/occupy-seattle-octogenarian-activist-dorli-

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 18, 2011
at 3:59 AM
President Obama represents America well Down Under!!!
Could you even imagine ANY of the current crop of Republican hopefuls being received by other nations in such a way? Or representing our country with such warmth?

There is much more to the job of President then protecting our shores, and fixing the economy. There is also standing before the people of the world as the living embodiment of America. And this President does an outstanding job at that.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/how-president-obama-is-seen-down-under.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 18, 2011
at 3:32 AM
30,000 walking over the Brooklyn Bridge. OH SHIT!! It is not disappearing,,, Me Thinks the Republicans and the 1% are in trouble.
(30,000 without FOX spending weeks yelling at people to attend a rally – Oh shit!!!! GOP is in trouble!!!)

http://www.alternet.org/story/153118/ows_shows_fight_is_far_from_over%3A_explosive_actions_on_2_month_anniversary_of_movement?akid=7867.294211.k5fZ5Z&rd=1&t=2

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 18, 2011
at 3:20 AM
Liberalism is a disease and it is the enemy. This political correctness that has been rammed down our throats is going to far but its intended effect is clear. Liberals seem to think everyone but us Americans,especially white Americans, are allowed a heritage.
http://www.aol.com/2011/11/17/santa-banned-cancer-center_n_1099842.html?1321560302&ncid=webmail11

And

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/student-suspended-for-confederate-shirt_n_1099515.html?ncid=webmail5

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By: Anonymous on November 17, 2011
at 10:19 PM
Well since the Liberal bitch I Repost brought up this topic again it is only fitting to replay this.

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By: Anonymous on November 17, 2011
at 9:49 PM
NEWT – Abramoff says what he did was inappropriate. Newt got an insider deal. Freddie – let me think, the Republicans were making noise about their bad loans. Looks as if Newt was making big money being their advisor. OH BOY – Sounds Presidential to me??? Cough, cough, sneeze.

GREGORY: Transparency of government is still an issue. It’s an issue on the campaign trail and Newt Gingrich, a former Speaker is now caught up in this with Freddie Mac, a large housing giant controlled by the government. He claimed he got $300,000 to be a consultant to them. Bloomberg’s reporting was well over a million dollars, providing strategic counseling. What do you make of all that?

ABRAMOFF: Well, this is exactly what I’m talking about. People who come to Washington who have public service and they cash in on it. And they use their public service and their access to make money, and unfortunately Newt Gingrich is one of them who’s done it. But far too many of them do it and one of the reforms I propose in my book is to close permanently the door, the revolving door, between public service and cashing in as a lobbyist.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/jack-abramoff-accuses-newt-gingrich-corrupt

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 8:52 PM
You’re a 19 year old kid. You’re critically wounded and dying in The jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam . It’s November 11, 1967.. LZ (landing zone) X-ray. Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense from 100 yards away, that your CO (commanding officer) has ordered the MedEvac helicopters to stop coming in. You’re lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you know you’re not getting out. Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you’ll never see them again. As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day. Then – over the machine gun noise – you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter. You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn’t seem real because no MedEvac markings are on it. Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you. He’s not MedEvac so it’s not his job, but he heard the radio call and decided he’s flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire anyway. Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come. He’s coming anyway. And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 3 of you at a time on board. Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors and nurses and safety. And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and left arm. He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not have made it without the Captain and his Huey. Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise , Idaho May God Bless and Rest His Soul. I bet you didn’t hear about this hero’s passing, but we’ve sure seen a whole bunch about Lindsay Lohan, Charlie Sheen and the bickering of Congress over Health Reform. Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman Shame on the American media !!!

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By: Anonymous on November 17, 2011
at 6:46 PM
Well it would appear that I Repost supports the Obama administration in its wasteful spending of hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars and wants the practice to continue.

For the record I Repost, I am pro life for my family, and pro choice for the nation. Know what you are talking about before you make a fool of yourself again.

Report, You Decide! ” I am for the terrorist organization known as OWS. Rape, murder, and forced sterilization are acceptable means to an end to achieve victory for the Liberal/Socialist party.”

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By: Anonymous on November 17, 2011
at 10:35 AM
I DO NOT!. Pay attention.

As I wrote before, I oppose increasing taxes on people earning $200,000 or more because many of those people are small business owners.

About half of people earning a million dollars or more already pay at rates of 30% or more. Many of those people are also small business owners.

People like Warren Buffet would remain relatively unscathed because most of their income comes from capital gains. Even a 5.6% surcharge would only raise his rate to about 24%, still lower than some who now pay over 30%.

We need to increase taxes on capital gains and return to the 1986 tax reform law with lower maximum rates and no loopholes sheltering capital gains and dividends. We could make it harder for companies to shelter incomes in other countries.

Increasing taxes on people who actually earn money by producing a product or hold jobs during a recession is foolish. Taxing the rich at even a 100% rate would not solve anything because our deficit it too large.

If you are interested, google Hot Air. The site is linked to live feed of the OWS New York City. Protesters have knocked down park barrackades on one side of the park.

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By: James on November 17, 2011
at 10:33 AM
Anonymouse: YOU ARE FOR PERSONHOOD!! You would deny a raped women the right to an abortion. YOU WOULD DENY A WOMAN WITH A TUBAL PREGNANCY the right to an abortion and she would die.
If the choice if the mother dying or keep the zygote alive – ANONYMOUSE AND THE REPUBLICAN GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES SAY, “LET THE MOTHER DIE!”

UAW: Robert Kennedy is not running for President.

Both Republicans and Democrats have been bought off but the GOP are pushing every PRO – CORPORATION, ANTI MIDDLE CLASS BILL PRESENTED. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!!

Palin/Anonymouse 2012!!! I will even kick in $10.00 once she declares.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 10:25 AM
HAHAHAHAHA
Good one I Report….
Newt got $1.8 million over 9 years……or was it his for profit consulting firm that got paid??????
I’m now asking if Freddie Mac followed his suggestions…….or just pissed the money away……

but what really pisses me off is……

President John F. Kennedy’s nephew, Robert Kennedy, Jr., netted a $1.4 billion bailout for his company, BrightSource, through a loan guarantee issued by a former employee-turned Department of Energy official…….Ironically, in 2008, Kennedy wrote a CNN article praising Obama as reminiscent of his famous father and uncle. The article, titled “Obama’s Energy Plan Would Create a Green Gold Rush,” proved prophetic. However, the “green gold rush” came in the form of $1.4 billion of taxpayers’ money flowing into the pet projects of rich venture capital investors like Kennedy, not average citizens.

http://biggovernment.com/whall/2011/11/16/robert-kennedy-jr-s-green-company-scored-1-4-billion-taxpayer-bailout/

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By: uawtradesman on November 17, 2011
at 10:04 AM
I Repost, when you are not being the bitch for the Liberal party, have you ever given any thought to the fact the administration you swallow for has wasted hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars? Have you ever once considered we need to fix the mess in D.C. or all these new tax dollars you fantasizing about won’t ever get to the people that need it? Obama has already showed us time and again he is for big corporations before the little people.

I Report, You Decide! ” I am for the terrorist organization known as OWS. Rape, murder, and forced sterilization are acceptable means to an end to achieve victory for the Liberal/Socialist party.”

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By: Anonymous on November 17, 2011
at 9:11 AM
The Daily Newt
November 16, 2011

Now he can’t count.

Do we file this one under Hypocrisy, Too Stoopid to Breathe, or Lying Sack o’ Crap?

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich acknowledged an extended consulting relationship with mortgage giant Freddie Mac, though he said he couldn’t verify just how much he or his firm received in fees.

Gingrich denied having lobbied on behalf of the mortgage giant, but said his staff was looking into a Bloomberg News report that said Gingrich “made between $1.6 and $1.8 million in consulting fees” in his work for Freddie Mac between 1999 and 2008.

So, Freddie Mac paid Gingrich a cool mil and half for his “advice as a historian?” For Pete’s sake, I know some history majors who will give you their advice for free at the drive-through window.

Well, this pretty much explains the Freddie Mac bust.
http://juanitajean.com/2011/11/16/the-daily-newt-10/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 9:07 AM
James: Norquist says NO NEW TAXES, Period.

SO DO YOU!!

You are pushing the Norquist ideology.

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – Help, Mr. Wizard!!!! or at least Sarah.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 8:46 AM
NEWT: JacK Abramoff calls Newt corrupt for getting a million plus from Freddie and Fannie… Oh Boy,

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/jack-abramoff-accuses-newt-gingrich-corrupt

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – Please Anonymouse – talk to Sarah ASAP

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 8:32 AM
Herb Cain: Some people think that Herman Cain is making a mockery of Republican Candidates. Imagine That.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/opinion/borger-herman-cain-gop-brand/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – Sarah, Please think it over, YOUR GOP NEED YOU!!!! Save the GOP!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 8:24 AM
Its no harder than being a Democrat with its broken promises and dashed hopes.

I ignore Grover Norquist. He is no more than a mosquito to me.

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By: James on November 17, 2011
at 8:16 AM
I often imagine that the toughest part of being a Republican is the daily tongue baths they have to give Grover Norquist. That just can’t be pleasant. Yet there they are at his doorstep, every single day, worshiping their false God while ignoring the American people.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 8:03 AM
You could be right.

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By: James on November 17, 2011
at 7:08 AM
Jon Stewart on Herb Cain.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jon-stewart-after-herman-cains-libya-gaffe

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – The only hope!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 6:49 AM
The GOP are setting themselves to lose a 2012 election which was theirs for the taking… Kind of funny to see such a major implosion.

http://www.alternet.org/story/153097/the_great_gop_primary_crash_and_burn%3A_5_republican_would-be_saviors_flame_out_in_hilarious_ways?akid=7864.294211.7aqiIG&rd=1&t=2

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – The only hope left

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 17, 2011
at 6:37 AM
Their family values are in Al Gore’s lock box. You are funny.

Fets, speaking only for myself, I am not angry, and though it would be nice, i don’t expect to change many minds. This is a form of combat, and my goal is to collect as many notches on my keyboard as possible. I took the last one at 4:36PM on November 8. Its been a good month.

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By: James on November 16, 2011
at 11:38 PM
and with my FAMILY VALUES I should vote for Clinton, Edwards, or wiener……what I can’t figure out is while the libs complain when Republicans do the same things they do……you like to bring up Family Values….does that mean Libs don’t have any???????

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By: uawtradesman on November 16, 2011
at 8:37 PM
and don’t ever accuse me of being politically correct…….

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By: uawtradesman on November 16, 2011
at 8:06 PM
a productive deer season so far…..and then……..it appears to me that I repost had some intelligent DNA in his head……and then he swallowed it……

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By: uawtradesman on November 16, 2011
at 8:02 PM
It depends on which OWS you visit, BFD. The small Omaha group seems to be as you described. Several were arrested when the police and later snow evicted them from a park. They were all civil to each other.

A third of OWS people surveyed said they would resort to violence. I think only two Tea Partiers were arrested and the total is at least 3,000 for the OWS protesters.

The rapes, murders and other attacks are real. I have seen videos and pictures. Its true as noted here a majority of protesters is non -violent, but the rest are guilty of ruining the reputations of all. OWS owns the bad apples. They have had two months to get rid of them. Its their fault if they suffer for it now. The sixties anti war movement had the same problem. They lost public support and their riots helped elect Nixon.

Barack Obama asked supporters to condemn financial institutions which took TARP bailout money and later gave top executives large bonuses. Our taxes also bailed out Fannie and Freddie, and both organizations need still more of our money. Now, their executives have received large bonuses.

Several more green companies are in trouble after the Obama administration gave them billions of dollars in loan guarantees. E mails show that the administration asked Solyndra to delay publicizing their financial problems until after the election.

The companies, including Fannie and Freddie contributed a lot of money to Obama and other Democrats.

The CBO admitted that the stimulus program while giving the economy a short term boost would shrink the economy in the long run.

Obama delayed a decision on the Canada oil pipe line until after the election because labor unions support it and environmentalists oppose it. Forbes claims that decision is helping bring up the price of oil.

Republicans are no angels, but the OWS protesters ought to include Obama and his allies. They are also part of the 1%.

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By: James on November 16, 2011
at 5:17 PM
Since when do peaceful people ask for more 9/11 attacks and use incendiary devices to bomb local business? OWS fits every definition of a terrorist organization.

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By: Anonymous on November 16, 2011
at 4:39 PM
Went down to the local OWS encampment yesterday, admittedly with some trepidation. After all, the lamestream press and rightwing blogs have made a potent effort to keep people away by emphasizing the rapes, murders, and personal attacks that have taken place there. But I was reassured by the complete absence of such incidents locally knowing that these incidents in other places are more likely to have been perpetrated by opportunists who want to discredit the movement. In fact, some of the incidents I’ve read about have happened in the proximity of the OWS encampments but there is little or no evidence that they are a consequence of their existence..

So I was somewhat surprised to find an island of calm in the middle of the city, mostly populated by college age students and a good number of under-thirty unemployed people willing to discuss their situations. Even though I’m supposed to be from the generation they hate, they welcomed me and even after direct questioning, none of them argued for of redistribution of money from the employed to the unemployed. What they were seeking was an opportunity for a decent job that will enable them to pay their debts.

But they seemed to be in complete agreement that the cards are stacked against them by a thoroughly crooked congress made up of politicians who have become multimillionaires by capitalizing on inside information from pending legislation which has been bought and paid for by the same wall streeters and robber barons who make billions on that same insider information. This monied circle jerk excluding 99% of the public is the cause of their concern.

What I found troubling was that the American dream of upward mobility has turned into a nightmare. It has been trashed by the outsourcing of American jobs and technology to such a degree that many of the best educated among the protesters have given thought to emigrating to countries where their education and talents are seen as a plus. Our loss will be Asia’s gain.

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By: BFD on November 16, 2011
at 4:29 PM
I come here to see if there is a new and brilliant post my Margaret and Helen. There rarely is. Then I scan rapidly down the more that thousand comments and all I see are a bunch of bitter whiners. Geeze, put down the computers and get out there and work to make the changes you want. Actions do speak louder than words. None of you will change the others opinions. Then again maybe you won’t do as I say either..Just go play Angry Birds. It’s a better use of your time.

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By: fets on November 16, 2011
at 2:07 PM
Gabby Giffords was on TV last night. Such an inspiration.

America Watched: 13.4 Million Tune-in to Diane Sawyer’s Special on Gabby Giffords

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 (The GOP’s only hope. Save the Republicans Sarah!)

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 16, 2011
at 9:41 AM
Let us see why we cannot elect or trust a Democrat again. Simply put they are Liars. They will promise you the world then never deliver on 90% of them. Obama has to date 53 documented broken campaign promises.
1. Increase the capital gains and dividends taxes for higher-income taxpayers
2. Expand the child and dependent care credit
3. Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners
4. End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
5. End no-bid contracts above $25,000
6. Repeal the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes
7. Phase out exemptions and deductions for higher earners
8. Sign the Employee Free Choice Act, making it easier for workers to unionize
9. Forbid companies in bankruptcy from giving executives bonuses
10. Allow workers to claim more in unpaid wages and benefits in bankruptcy court
11. Allow imported prescription drugs
12. Appoint federal-level coordinator to oversee all federal autism efforts
13. Double federal funding for cancer research
14. Direct the Secretary of Health and Human Services to conduct a comprehensive study of federal cancer initiatives
15. Provide the CDC $50 million in new funding to determine the most effective approaches for cancer patient care
16. Create a National Commission on People with Disabilities, Employment, and Social Security
17. Change federal rules so small businesses owned by people with disabilities can get preferential treatment for federal contracts.
18. Reduce the threshhold for the Family and Medical Leave Act from companies with 50 employees to companies with 25 employees.
19. Provide a $1.5 billion fund to help states launch programs for paid family and medical leave
20. Require employers to provide seven paid sick days per year
21. Expand the Family Medical Leave Act to include leave for domestic violence or sexual assault
22. Form international group to help Iraq refugees
23. Work with Russia to move nuclear weapons off hair-trigger alert
24. Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center
25. Develop an alternative to President Bush’s Military Commissions Act on handling detainees
26. Secure ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT)
27. Reinstate special envoy for the Americas
28. Double the Peace Corps
29. Centralize ethics and lobbying information for voters
30. Allow five days of public comment before signing bills
31. Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials
32. Double funding for after-school programs
33. Urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws
34. Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage
35. Increase the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour
36. Restore Superfund program so that polluters pay for clean-ups
37. Re-establish the National Aeronautics and Space Council
38. Support human mission to moon by 2020
39. Pay for the national service plan without increasing the deficit
40. Limit term of director of national intelligence
41. Give annual “State of the World” address
42. Reduce earmarks to 1994 levels
43. Enact windfall profits tax for oil companies
44. Create cap and trade system with interim goals to reduce global warming
45. Use revenue from cap and trade to support clean energy and environmental restoration
46. Require plug-in fleet at the White House
47. Provide an annual report on “state of our energy future”
48. Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009
49. Recognize the Armenian genocide
50. No family making less than $250,000 will see “any form of tax increase.”
51. Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN
52. Create a public option health plan for a new National Health Insurance Exchange.
53. Introduce a comprehensive immigration bill in the first year.

Sorry for the length of this post. Do your part to make sure it doesn’t get any longer and demand the President stop telling lies. Better yet do your part and let us shrink this list by demanding that the President make good on his campaign promises. After all, our Vets, kids, and elderly deserve to be taken care of, don’t they?

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By: Anonymous on November 16, 2011
at 8:22 AM
I Repost, you claim the OWS movement is superior to the Tea Party. Could you list for me the number of rapes and murders committed by the Tea Party people?

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By: Anonymous on November 16, 2011
at 7:26 AM
65% of the people and 57% of the Republicans are ignorant if they support the concepts and methods of OWS. They may agree with them about the wide disparity between financial institutions and politicians’ power and the rest of us, but that is different than saying they are potential members of OWS.

OWS won so many hearts and minds in New York City that residents demonstrated against the squatters. Residents and small business people in other cities also want them to go away.

OWS will last as long as leftist one per centers pay their bills.That doesn’t mean they will enjoy the political influence of the Tea Parties at their peak.

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By: James on November 16, 2011
at 6:02 AM
This place has turned into Zuccotti Park.

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By: Anonymous on November 16, 2011
at 4:38 AM
57% of Republicans are for OWS. The FOX Narrative and why it will fail.
OWS speaks for the vast majority. This link is very important to understand if you truly want to know the importance of OWS. OWS is here to stay.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/van-jones-and-laura-flanders-ows-raids-and

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 16, 2011
at 2:32 AM
Here is the link which was supposed to be included in the above. It is a must see if you want to understand the current situation with OWS. OWS is not going to go away. The message is right, the 99% are asking to be heard.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/keith-olbermann-why-occupy-wall-street-need

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 16, 2011
at 2:20 AM
65% of the People support OWS.

Here is why OWS is going to continue and grow in strength and power as time goes forward. It is a message which speaks for the majority of people, for the 99%.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 16, 2011
at 2:15 AM
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/rachel-maddow-gives-update-on-occupy_15.html

Great Song about OWS!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 16, 2011
at 2:05 AM
Helen, PLEASE post a Thanksgiving Letter!!!!!! I wait ALL year long for your Thanksgiving Letter to the family!!! PLEASE!!!!!!
We still LOVE you and Margaret!!!!!!
Hope all is well.

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By: Tammy on November 15, 2011
at 4:27 PM
I report, the first stimulus law was intended to create “shovel ready jobs” and to rebuild our infrastructure. Teachers, police officers, etc. while necessary, do not create as much wealth as private sector jobs. They live on taxes. Once the government money dries up after the appropriations end, the jobs end too. That’s what happened last time. As you wrote, we need more private sector jobs to produce the taxes to fund teachers’ etc salaries and to rebuild our highways etc.

Before we spend so much money again we ought to learn why the first stimulus law failed.

There you go again with the oversimplification and half truths about the Bush administration. Obama is in bed with the out of control bankers and businesses like GE.

I agree that austerity can contract the economy and lower standards of living. Good choices are few. We must reduce spending or Europe will be our future. No matter what we do will be painful.

Thanks for the complement Anon. I am just an amature “climatologist” and storm chaser, though my correct analysis may make me seem more versed than I am. I also had only an economics minor in college. Even with that, the economy is as several of us predicted. You have a right to “disregard the obvious.” Its in all of the papers and on television.

Instead of taking personal pot shots from the peanut gallery, why don’t you enter the playing field as I report does and actually defend an opinion? Sorry about my steady complements I report.

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By: James on November 15, 2011
at 3:34 PM
OhFudge, I met you, and I met Repost. I have met many on here. I use you all everywhere I go as prime example of what the Liberal people are about. Personal attacks, hate, bigotry, hypocrisy, and the list goes on. What I only find one in a thousand of is a Liberal that wants to talk ideology, and not attack person bringing the idea or thought to be chewed on. Liberals are a simple folk and easy to predict. Thanks to this blog on have thousands of posts by hundreds of posters who, 99.8% of the time to the same thing. That being attacking the stranger behind the name and avoiding any points they make that debunk the Liberal way of thinking. Thank YOU for helping make my job easier.

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By: Anonymous on November 15, 2011
at 2:52 PM
Anonymous on November 15, 2011
at 6:47 AM

Most people that I know accept the category “Liberal” as a badge of honor. Thanks for honoring all us hard working “libs”
I suspect you’ve never met a real liberal. What you are conjuring in your twisted mini-mind is the distorted view you see from the bottom of your outhouse. We’ll make it all worthwhile for you someday soon.

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By: OhFudge on November 15, 2011
at 11:27 AM
Hi Helen,
Guess like me, you are on a political hiatus. The Republicans are doing a fine job on their own of stepping in it and in many cases sliding and falling head first. Even here the great climatologist and economist James, Noah, etc show utter disregard for the obvious.
I am looking forward to your Thanksgiving letter. If there isn’t one this year, I’ll know it no longer worth my while to check each day for a new Blog from you and I will no longer stop by.
All the best,
A fan

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By: Anonymous on November 15, 2011
at 10:14 AM
The best way to bring down a deficit is to get people to work. Austerity has failed where ever it has been used. It shrinks the working class and slows down the economy further.

Hiring for infrastructure repair, or teachers or firefighters and police will help make a dent into needs of the nation for the future as well as a stimulus for private businesses to sell goods and services.

The last years of the GW Bush administration brought a collapse of the economy which could only be compared to the Great Depression. The last years and the first year job losses, which were significant, were directly attributable to Bush/Cheney, de-regulation, two unfunded wars, unfunded drug program and just plain stupidity. President Obama was and is still trying to get an economy run into the ground by bankers gone wild which was allowed by Bush/Cheney.

OWS: This is the best comments which reflect my thinking re: OWS.
Rachel Maddow is great. Check it out – you might learn something.
OWS is here to stay.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/rachel-maddow-gives-update-on-occupy_15.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 15, 2011
at 8:47 AM
I report, governments create few private sector jobs. Their only influence is creating policies which encourage or discourage job creation. Even then, business cycles and other events may countermand government policy.

The unemployment rate was as low as 4.6% during the second Bush administration. I’m not sure they all were as good as the lost jobs, but they were jobs. The globalization which Clinton started and Bush perpetuated helped enlarge emerging nations’ middle classes.. Its flaw was that jobs sought the lowest wages overseas. Now, some companies are beginning to consider reshoring –to bring some jobs back to the US because economics support them here.

The liberal news media has twisted the news with selective reporting. It is no wonder some polls might show people blaming Republicans for our problems. Other polls show their disatisfaction with Obama’s management of the economy. Both opinions are a trifle unfair to the politicians.

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By: James on November 15, 2011
at 7:33 AM
OhFudge Thanks for proving my point again that Liberals are a fail in the realm of ideas, so can only resort to personally attacking the messenger. You obviously, like most Liberals, made a comment without first having examined what it is you were talking about. Please continue to stay ignorant, it will make you defeat that much more sweet.

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By: Anonymous on November 15, 2011
at 6:47 AM
Anonymous on November 14, 2011 at 3:24 PM

You are dumber than I would have ever imagined.
I didn’t comment on your link to “theblaze” I made a general statement about the website itself, However, you aren’t the brightest bulb on the tree so even though a first grader would understand the distinction it was obviously lost on you..

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By: OhFudge on November 15, 2011
at 12:24 AM
Anonymouse:

70+ percent of the people believe the Republicans are only out to benefit Millionaires or higher.

Your comments prove that!!!

Enjoy Cain, Perry, Newt or what’s his hame – oh, yeah the Mormon guy.
YOU AND YOUR IDEAS ARE WHY THE REPUBLICANS DO NOT HAVE A CHANCE IN 2012.

Palin/Anonymouse 2012 – The only hope left for 2012

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 11:51 PM
Understood,, so we have you down for supporting forced sterilization, and the support of the terrorist organization known as OWS, and supporting their activities such as rape, murder, child and drug abuse and the desecration of the 9/11 monument. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Because if you didn’t support it, I am sure you would have said something,,,,right?

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By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 11:21 PM
Anonymouse:
RAPE – If a woman gets raped and gets pregnant, DOES SHE HAVE THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION? Republican policy is NO WAY IN HELL!! What say you? (Personhood – what say you? Good or stupid?)

If crazy people break windows and steal things – they should be brought to trial. The same should occur to people who falsified loan papers to get unqualified people into houses they could not afford. Illegal acts should be prosecuted on both sides. When a police officer breaks a car window with his baton, he too should be prosecuted. (That was caught on camera.) OWS was blamed for the window until the camera showed the true culprit.

OWS is the one group that is bringing up the SUPER WIDE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST 1% and the rest of us schmucks. Finally!!!! FOX even mentioned it reluctantly, because of OWS.

CORPORATE WELFARE: I Paid more in Federal Taxes than 35 of the Biggest Corporations!!! OWS brought this to the point of discussion – finally.

The 1% wealthiest will soon have their taxes raised THANKS TO OWS!! We have much to thank OWS for, they are good for our nation.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 11:12 PM
Well my fine Paladin, since you are up on that high horse, why not explain to everyone your reasoning for supporting the terrorist organization known as OWS. Tell us how you explain away all of the crimes they have committed. I mean, if you are a member of the Democrat party, you should have no problem defending it, right?

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By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 10:36 PM
Anonymouse, You and I support many of the same things then. Gee. I had no idea that you and I had so many similar thoughts. Thanks

http://juanitajean.com/

Do you know what’s even better that Rick Perry falling in the polls?

Newt Gingrich surging. Yes!

A new national survey of Republicans indicates that it’s basically all tied up between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich in the race for the GOP presidential nomination, with Gingrich on the rise and businessman Herman Cain falling due to the sexual harassment allegations he’s been facing the past two weeks.

With Rick you get the dumb. With Cain you get the sexual escapades. With Newt you get the trifecta: ethics, hypocrisy and enough hoochy-koochy to make Amsterdam shut down their red light district because of a non-compete contract.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 10:25 PM
I Repost, say what you will, but at the end of the day, we didn’t support forced sterilization of kids, poor and blacks. We don’t support the terrorist organization called OWS who rape women, murder innocent people, abuse children and drugs, and defile our national monuments like the 9/11 monument they defaced. You are a poor human being. I will leave it to God or karma to settle up with you at the end.

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By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 10:06 PM
UAW: Your FAMILY VALUES are showing!!! Now I understand why you are so intoxicated with serial ADULTERER Newt but you might consider serial Groper Cain!!! You have such wonderful choices for Republican Presidential Candidate – I can see why you are in such a crappy mood.

Just saying: Palin is waiting in the wings to run for President. You and Anonymouse can coax her into running with a few hundred thousand dollars, promiise her time in front of FOX – seems they are not giving Sarah TV time anymore.

I still like Palin/Anonymouse 2012, UAW – You could be the #1 cheerleader.

UAW: You could be just off stage flipping the MSM the finger if they look at Sarah with that LIBERUL Look.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 9:49 PM
when I click on I Report I see someone swallowing a big cock…..you don’t need a job….. you follow Barney Frank around……and I don’t really give a f#ck if I’m politically correct…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 14, 2011
at 8:12 PM
When I click on Anonymouse’s picture it says: A rodent that likes to eat shit and bother people.

Anonymouse: You are a genius – You should be a detective. You really need to get a hobby or maybe even a job.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 6:34 PM
Newt is still the smartest / best statesman we have out of the lot to date. Morals a bit skewed, but I know this guy would run a tight ship. Course we could all just vote Obama and ensure the movie 2012 becomes a documentary.

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By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 4:51 PM
Funny thing when I click on I Reposts picture it says, This is the public, global profile of juneaujoe. Things that make you go hmm

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By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 4:46 PM
The Blaze is no different than blogs I report cite except it is slanted toward the right. If crooksandliars is acceptable, so is the Blaze.

I agree, I report. I think Romney is the best candidate. Yes, he bends with the wind, but, so far, he carries less of the baggage you mentioned. The others are sitting ducks.

Romney’s success depends on a lot of conservatives holding their noses at voting time.

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By: James on November 14, 2011
at 4:25 PM
Anon: Actually, you made yourself look like a complete ass with your comment.

On a brighter note:
Gabby Giffords will be in the TV tonight!!!! She is such an inspiration!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45293283/ns/us_news-life/

It sounds like a tear jerker.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 4:21 PM
OhFudge, did you actually watch the video? It actually slams Republicans adn Democrats alike. Ops, sorry, did I just make you look like a complete ass?

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By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 3:24 PM
Republican Presidential Candidate Update!!

The serial Republican Adulterer has just moved in front Serial Republican Harasser in recent Polls!! -Let the family values begin!!!

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/confirmed-serial-adulterer-passes-alleged-harasser-gop-race

REPUBLICANS: Common sense AND JON STEWART, say Mitt Romney is going to be the Republican Candidate for President. Quit wasting your time with the flavor of the month stuff. Mitt is great – tell him what the current message is, he says it and all is good. If you kick in a million, Mitt will give you anything you want.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 3:23 PM
Why would anyone be insane enough to cite “theblaze” which is nothing but a christo-fascist-right-wing pile of donkey dung.

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By: OhFudge on November 14, 2011
at 2:51 PM
Politics aside, THIS, is what is wrong with this country…

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/60-minutes-are-members-of-congress-trading-stocks-on-inside-information/

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By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 1:31 PM
GW BUSH is you GREAT example of making jobs – RIGHT!! Oh, look, his years in the White Produced the fewest jobs since the Turn of the Century.

It is interesting that 70+ percent of the people feel the Republican Party is out to make money for the 1% and could care less about the middle class or poor.

Congress : A money maker with insider trading.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/14/367446/one-day-after-attending-private-economic-crisis-briefing-gop-financial-services-chairman-bet-on-stocks-tanking/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 1:10 PM
Granholm was the worst thing to ever happen to the state of Michigan. She did next to nothing and when she did so something it was a total botch. Her program to being in new innovative companies landed us 1 battery company and we listen to commercials on it for 3 years. Like you she was a joke. I suggest you know what the fck your talking about next time you post something.

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By: Anonymous on November 14, 2011
at 11:21 AM
Here is a Governor of 8 years who cut taxes time and time again and cut state spending as well. Did it create jobs? NO! When a major corporation was talking of moving overseas, she offered 20 years of no taxes and the unions had big concessions as well. The Corporation left….
Interesting perspective.

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/jennifer-granholm-we-gave-businesses-

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 14, 2011
at 9:40 AM
Thanks knowledgeable Anonymous. We attach limits to free speech.

Yelling “fire” in a theater is not permitted, nor are “fighting words.”

If I pitch a tent in your front yard, it becomes trespassing if I do it without permission.

Freedom of speech carries responsibilities including respect for the rights and reputation of others.

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By: James on November 14, 2011
at 7:12 AM
Dear Helen, are you okay? I check your blog every day, like Faithful Old Shep waiting by the mailbox. Be well and happy!

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By: oldgrumpysteve on November 13, 2011
at 1:35 PM
Has nothing to do with free speech kiddo, just calling you on your misinformation. You were wrong, it is as simple as that.

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By: Anonymous on November 13, 2011
at 12:21 PM
How about that James does not support free speech. Not unless he agrees.

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By: Anonymous on November 13, 2011
at 11:58 AM
Alaskapi, I thought you needed a smile. The Sami and to a lessor degree, the Finns who probably sprang from them are some of Europe’s last indigenous people. Glaciers may have separated the Sami from the rest of Europe for maybe 10,000 years. Twice during that time, something nearly wiped them out. A few progenitors perhaps from Siberia gave them a few Asian genes and rebuilt the population. No one knows for certain.

Finns are some of the blondest people in Europe and yet, around 1908, a group tried to get them deported from the US under the Asian Exclusion Act. My aunt had subtle Asian charactoristics, but she was blond and her eyes were as blue as mine.

If you Google EF Flashmob Helsinki, you will see a young blond woman who resembles my cousin.

I don’t think the OWS movement is fragile. I think it is dangerous.I believe their public relations attempt to create another Tea Party is at risk, because the movement got away from them.

Van Jones, one of the planners told Time the occupy tents were a surprise. Any group with little discipline and with members prone to violence is dangerous. Groups are supporting the movement with a lot of money, so the movement in one form or another will survive as long as its supporters want it to.

The danger is when they become increasingly alienated from the general population, and they will be if they don’t stop the violence, a small group will follow the Weatherman trail. Some of their supporters want to crash the system, and many protesters don’t know that. Organized violence is the next logical step.

I was in it once. The actors change, but the script remains the same.

Nothing has repealed the laws of gravity or economics. During the nineties, we thought the good times would last forever. Now, we think our world has ended. It will get better in spite of our government. It always does thanks to the business cycle.

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By: James on November 13, 2011
at 10:23 AM
James-
Mari Boine reminds me of work done by Pamyua 🙂
Thank you. Songs and stories of the north and it’s peoples make me smile.

Not so sure OWS is as fragile as you think but am concernedand think the groups need to own violence on it’s/their patch.
It is all well and good to point to jerkfaces attaching themselves to the activities or provocateurs but wherever gratuitous violence and incendiary rhetoric comes from , within or without, it needs to be shut down unequivocally by the larger group.
A number of years ago I was visiting the small town I lived in during college years and attended a rally on the heels of the Headwaters Forest deal. ( Anyone interested in the timber wars on the far north coast of CA can google Pacific Lumber Company, MAXAAM Corp, Charles Hurwitz, Judi Bari, and Tim McKay amongst others )
I was there to hear Tim McKay whom I liked and admired until his all too early passing a few years ago.
The bulk of the speakers were associated with Earth First! as was most of the crowd.
Under Judi Bari’s watch that group of Earth First!ers had come down strongly against tree spiking and other forms of monkey wrenching which could hurt loggers but I can’t say I had much sympathy for the tree sits and all they employed.
It is/was a consensus decision based group- a form of organization which OWS is using
and which has some resonance for me as it more closely resembles the process my Alaska Native forbears used for a bazillion years to conduct public business as opposed to the hierarchial and often top-down way our larger society is structured.
Some guy started hollering ” Kill Hurwitz! Kill the SOB!” a couple yards from me. While the crowd started edging away from him, 6 women in yellow armbands moved in and surrounded him. As close as I was I couldn’t hear what they were saying to him but he quieted and they edged him through the crowd towards local police on the periphery, where he stayed calmly.
I asked folks around me what the yellow armband dealie was and the 2 who spoke up said they were “peacekeepers” trained to keep group gatherings from becoming moblike by defusing or removing folks who were getting out of control.
As goofy as I thought/still think some of the antics and ideas that group had/has the “peacekeeping” thing has stuck with me. They OWNED behavior on their watch.

I’ve spent a lot of time lately reading about neoliberal economic policies we accepted without much question a number of years ago and the so-called centrist or Third Way approach Dems in this country have attempted to reconcile social concerns in relation to neoliberal economics . As best as I can see it has resulted in arguing over a very small patch of ground and effectively turned into the rut we find ourselves in.
I’m not sure about OWS itself but I do think we are at a crossroads in general.
Human institutions need constant attention to keep some semblance of serving the people who design/accept them as a framework to conduct public business.

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By: alaskapi on November 13, 2011
at 9:37 AM
UAW- Hoping the loss of your wife is mellowing as time goes on.
I sure don’t like this part of outer middle age, the saying goodbye to too many I care about part.
I like the part where I make fewer of the same mistakes over and over, though I realize I make a whole lot of new ones still 🙂
One of the most interesting things , watching this argument about TP and OWS unfold, is realizing whatever side of the fence folks are on the general consenus is that what we’ve been doing is not working out very well. It’s easy to dismiss one POV or the other on various grounds but it isn’t easy to dismiss the general understanding that things have gone kadiddlywop in this country.
I would submit that part of the problem is that the Rs and Ds have been dueling over a very small patch of turf for quite awhile now .
“The Third Way refers to various political positions which try to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies.[1]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_%28centrism%29
I don’t think it has worked out very well for much of anyone. Anyone meaning real everyday people. It’s called Centrism and many assume it’s the position of moderates on each side. I’m not sure of that anymore.
This is the POV which saw us repeal the Glass Stegall Act – something which is likely to have had a real hand in the out of control behavior in financial circles which got us in the big mess we are facing.
We will always have the tension between social responsibilty v personal responsibility, within ourselves and within our country. It’s part of the human condition and nothing new.
We’re calling our children useless and spoiled because they are speaking out about mountains of debt attached to the college-education dream which no longer really leads to a decent job. We’re calling our elders useless and lazy because they didn’t end up with retirement plans and enough money for secondary insurance though they worked all their lives.
We’re making fun of folks who are scared and upset about the shifts in values in this country which have left them pawns in a duel over capitalism run amok .
We are eating our own instead of looking at the structure of what we have built and planning a remodel which works better for more of us.

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By: alaskapi on November 13, 2011
at 9:06 AM
Alaskapi, I did some research to learn more about my Finnish cousins, and I found much I never knew before.

If you have the time or inclination, Google Mari Boine- I Come from the Other Side, or Sami singer Sofia Jannok “Liekkas.” Do they remind you of anyone you know?

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By: James on November 13, 2011
at 8:18 AM
Michael Gerson of the Washington Post wrote “The emergence of Occupy Wall Street raised Democratic hopes for the emergence of a leftist equivalent to the tea party movement. The comparison is laughable.

“Defenders of OWS dismiss this as the work of a few bad apples. But the transgressions would call themselves the vanguard. and they express, not betray a significant ideological strain within the movement.

Since the 1960’s some on the political left have sought liberal reform through the democratic process and nonviolent protest. Others have south to hasten the crisis and collapse of fundamentally illegitimate social and economic systems. Both groups can be found within OWS but the later is ascendant.

Read the latest edition of Time Magazine, Anon 5:54 AM. Their largely sympathetic article about the movement and Van Jones failed to mention even one act of violence. The liberal press is trying to cover up and rationalize the communist and anarchicial wings of OWS. Glenn Beck’s rants have been more informative.

Its true that a few plants tried to make the Tea Parties look bad, but there aren’t enough Tea Partiers left to commit the mayham these folks are inflictining on the occupied neighborhoods. Besides, the Tea Party is non -violent.

I predicted this, not because I am so smart, but because I personally knew organizers of the US and European anti-war movements of the late sixties and early seventies. I have also read the history of other revolutions. A dedicated core of true believers attracts well-meaning people and others who just want to find dates. They use them as weapons, and they will sacrifice their ground troops to win.

They will cause some whether or not they realize it to become martyrs for the cause. Once the hangers on are no longer useful, they will be destroyed. They are as Lenin observed “useful idiots.” Many people posting here and in the country reached the same conclusions I did at the beginning. Anyone not blinded by ideology could see this coming.

Anon 7:05AM you will have a long wait for Anon 5:54AM to prove plants are causing the violence. Hell will freeze first.

Uaw and alaskapi, I’m sorry life is going so badly around you.

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By: James on November 13, 2011
at 8:02 AM
Anon 5:54am It’s even been proven that people have been planted at rallies to make trouble!

Could you support this with some evidence. I have followed this from day 1 and I have not seen any news stories supporting this claim. Also, there exists volumes of evidence of hundreds if not thousands of people doing terrible acts of violence and unlawful acts. There was no such actions on the part of the Tea Party, nor is there any evidence to the contrary.

Show me a news story on a TP’er raping someone. Show me a news story of a TP’er murdering someone. There is no comparing these two groups.

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By: Anonymous on November 13, 2011
at 7:05 AM
When the tea party was at its peak, the media was after anything negative or sensational they could find.There were even plants who tried to make them look irrational.They tried to make it sound like all the tea party people were like that. It was horrible the way they dragged all those sincere people through the mud.

Last night I started to realize that was exactly what is happening with the OWS thing. Using a few fringe people to smear a whole movement. It’s even been proven that people have been planted at rallies to make trouble! All those sincere people being dragged through the mud. Whoa! It was disconcerting to have that epiphany.

Then I had a glass of kool-aid and turned on talk radio, and felt much better. It couldn’t possibly be the same at all!

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By: Anonymous on November 13, 2011
at 5:54 AM
alaskapi…..
don’t know what else to say but shit…..
I also have a friend that has cancer but she decided not to do anything for it(quality of live instead of quantity)……
yesterday was the 2 year anniversary of my wife’s passing from cancer…..
maybe that’s why I’m in such a great mood right now…….

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 10:09 PM
When everyday people step up to the plate , lots of good things happen 🙂
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/howling-storm-battered-alaska-ham-operators-provided-vital-link?page=0,0

The one ham operator reminds me of an uncle I loved dearly who sat at his radio through many a disaster, calmly passing on info. Everyone in the family called him a curmudgeon, I called him a sweetie with attitude.

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By: alaskapi on November 12, 2011
at 9:29 PM
UAW- I’m south of where the storm hit so I’m fine though we’ve had our own share of high winds and heavy rain and snow.
Folks did really well through the storm- all the warning ahead of time paid off in folks being ready .
Lots of those villages and towns get whopped pretty badly every year and more so since sea ice is not as reliable as used to be as a buffer from ocean but this one really was a monster.

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/surviving-alaskas-big-storm-villagers-relied-each-other?page=0,0

Life has been busy and reading the duelling anonys and all not near as important as sitting vigil with a friend whose fisherman husband got caught in 60 knot winds and 20+ foot seas on the way home ( he made it home , damaged prop and busted main engine and all ) nor burying my sweet old dog who died suddenly nor trying to stay upbeat while my best friend does chemo that is only gonna buy a few months.
Keep hoping Helen will post something new , that she is doing well getting used to a different life.
That she’ll be making turkey with bacon laced stuffing for her extended family soon.
And hoping the best for all the everyday people who stop by here- even when I disagree with them or want to pinch their faces off

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By: alaskapi on November 12, 2011
at 8:34 PM
doesn’t Jared Lee Loughner sound like someone that would be at an occupy rally……

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 7:34 PM
Hey I report…
Gabby was shot by a Left wing radical…..git your facts right……

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 7:25 PM
good to her from you Alaskapi……..
I’m glad you didn’t leave…..
It was getting tiresome listening to I Report….
Personally I think he should change to SHIT FOR BRAINS,,,,,,
how did you come through the storm….it was supposed to be the storm of the century .

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 7:22 PM
Gabby Giffords will be on TV soon.

Gabby is so very inspirational.
She survived being shot point blank by a right wing crazy man.

It is so great that she survived and is making remarkable progress. It is sad about those who lost their lives or were wounded just trying to talk to their Representative.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/gabby-giffords-speaks.html

Anonymouse: You need some inspiration, check it out. It was a terrible tragedy – don’t you think?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 7:05 PM
Let us put to rest who indeed is the cause of our financial crisis. Who made it happen, who fought for it to happen, and who tried to stop it. Lets set the record straight. Thank-you very much Democrats, you f+cked us but good.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 6:42 PM
NEW RULES: Bill Maher

http://rackjite.com/archives/8545-New-Rules-Bill-Maher,-Republicans-worse-than-Scrooge,-November-11-2011.html

You will really like this one Anonymouse. Bill Maher is so great with words.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 6:39 PM
Lets do that math I Repost. When you are not fighting for the right to sterilize the poor, blacks and children…put this in your calculator and smoke it.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 6:35 PM
DO THE MATH!

End the War + Tax the Rich = Balanced Budget

http://jobsanger.blogspot.com/2011/11/do-math.html

Interesting Thought

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 6:04 PM
Austerity has failed where ever it has been tried. Republicans – after studying a bit, you should probably come up with a different approach. Republicans seem to be taken the route that sinks countries the fastest.
You are looking at epic failure in 2012 with the Republican’s current approach to policies.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/krugman-austerity-has-been-failure-ev

Seems like Anon is arguing with himself! Actually – Anonymouse – you lost the argument with yourself, not a good sign.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 5:47 PM
Yes but in his defense she had lots of money..big boobs and was blond. Can’t fault a guy for that.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 4:05 PM
I also completely support John McCain for leaving his wheelchair confined first wife after a physically and emotionally shattering accident. She wasn’t sexy enough any more and ‘in sickness and in health as long as we both shall live” is an awfully long time. As a conservative, the sanctity of marriage and the vows we take until it’s not convenient any more. I endorse everything conservatives do. It’s how it works.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 3:21 PM
I Repost, when I say “JUMP!”, what’s your line? Let’s see if you know your place yet, boy.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 3:10 PM
On the other hand, I am for cheating on your wife and serving her with divorce papers while she’s in the hospital for breast cancer surgery. It’s different when you’re a conservative.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 3:09 PM
Was I the only once that noticed I Repost is for Rape, drug abuse, theft, murder and vandalism?

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 2:27 PM
Take me off your list of Forced Sterilization supporters.

More on NEWT – the Newt surge has begun. Newt is a good pitch man for selling snake oil.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/rachel-maddow-points-out-how-newt.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 1:58 PM
🙂 We are so lucky you’re blogging and the Cons are on the other side of the pond. Give it to them, Hel.

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By: swimanog on November 12, 2011
at 1:58 PM
I love the hypocrisy Anon 1:44. For the party of hate all you have to do is look at I Repost, OWS and the video I posted. We already have on record I Repost supporting forced sterilization of the poor, blacks, and children. We have him on record supporting the rape, drugs, theft, murder, and vandalism of the OSW movement. So please go on pretending Conservatives are the haters. For every one example you give, I will give you two or three without breaking a sweat.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 1:51 PM
On second thought, I Repost, I forgive you. It’s not your fault that as a typical Liberal you don’t know your place. It’s not your role to make personal attacks or post links to articles about what you believe in. Only conservatives like me can do those things. It may seem hypocritical to you because you’re a Liberal. You’re supposed to hug trees while I am supposed to endlessly spew hate and talking points.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 1:44 PM
Anonymouse: I see the Republicans are pushing war in Iran. I respectfully submit that we need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I think that would be a tremendous tribute to our soldiers past and present.

You know, less war could mean less soldier suicides??? Think so??

Here is some music from Country Joe McDonald about the glory of war.
Enjoy!!! Change Vietnam to Iran or any Blue State to make it current.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 1:18 PM
Sorry to see you could not do the honorable thing and reciprocate in kind I Repost. But I guess that is just now things are done, if you are a Liberal.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 12:47 PM
Bill Maher: A rundown of politics this past week. It seems the Republicans have been busy screwing up. I will leave the details to Bill: Enjoy Anonymouse! You and Sarah would make a good team. There is a good comment wishing Newt Success too.

http://rackjite.com/archives/8546-Bill-Maher-Monologue-last-show-of-season-November-11-2011.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 12:31 PM
Breaking News: NEWT IS SERIOUSLY IN IT TO WIN IT!!!
I JUST FOUND HIS FIRST NEW COMMERCIAL!!!! It is a winner!!!

Go Newt!! OR SARAH – I will throw in ten bucks for Sarah to run.
http://rackjite.com/archives/8547-Bill-Maher,-Newt-Gringrich-is-a-fat-womanizing-blowhard,-Nov-11-2011.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 12:08 PM
Republicans say the darndest things: After the Palin comments, the Teaparty folks sure sound hateful and racist to me.

Anon: I apologize if you feel I was making fun of you, that was never my intent. I find you misguided but we have this thing called free speech in America.

Anon: Seriously – I just read that Newt said he made a mistake in repealing Glass -Segal. (Clinton said the same thing.) YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO BEG (PAY) SARAH PALIN TO JUMP IN THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL RACE. I would even suggest you as Vice-President.

PALIN/ANONYMOUSE 2012
That would make a swell bumper sticker.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 11:55 AM
UAW- while it might appear that Occupy whatever is superficially similar to the sovereign-citizen’s movement , and worthy of a joke, it IS entirely superficial. Occupy is a socialistic movement, Sov-cit is very right wing militia member driven.
Good ole Ms Morgan has some ‘splaining to do here.
Her lawyer’s assertions that she had been carrying information to an elderly forgetful friend on how to blast stumps to clear land is hilarious and scary in that what she was carrying were detailed instructions on how to build a pipe bomb.
The militias here sound silly but given the flap they create and the arms they possess the latest rounds with the Sov-cits here is a lot more worrisome than the local homegrown Occupy stuff.
The charging documents are linked to this article and not funny at all.
http://newsminer.com/view/full_story/16316526/article-Prosecutors-want-Alaska-militia-officer-held-without-bail-in-weapons-case?
The hearing left her with a possibility of bail if a 3rd party custodian to keep an eye on her could be found.

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By: alaskapi on November 12, 2011
at 10:18 AM
They sure named crooks and liars right…..should be innuendo and half truths

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 10:06 AM
I Repost, I will be a better man than you and answer because I am not a coward. Lets see if you are man enough to respond to my OWS questions in return.

As for guns and suicide. First off you are being dishonest. Lets call a spade a spade here. I never commented on that topic, not once. So to tell me I am for something I never commented on just shows what kind of person you are. My opinion is, the gun, or the question itself, is irrelevant. It is naive to think that a person bent on killing themselves will not do so if you take their gun. The Vet could just as easily drive his car into a tree on the way home to fetch said gun. It is the behavior that needs to be of focus. A person who wants to die will find a way.

Your turn, and please don’t bother if you are going to spout some one liner or insult me personally. Put some effort into it…address what I actually posted in its entirety, or don’t bother.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 10:01 AM
Taxing the Rich DOES NOT HURT THE ECONOMY! That was the concensus on the Bill O’Reilly Show.

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/bben-stein-destroys-bill-oreillys-idea-

Anon: You seem in favor of doing nothing with the gun rule which does not allow counselors to ask a potentially suicidal veteran if he has a gun at home. Reminder: We have a high AND INCREASING, suicide rate among our Vets from Iraq and Afghanistan.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

DOING NOTHING IN THIS SITUATION IS JUSTIFIED?? PLEASE EXPLAIN!!
How does the quote relates to the counselor not being able to ask about guns and the suicidal soldier then commits suicide with the gun? Please explain!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 9:52 AM
UAW and Anon: Basically, you are saying keep the rule and let the suicide easily take place.. So, with your plan, the counselor is not allowed to ask if the soldier has a gun so the counselor can call the home and tell the wife or whomever that they might want to put the gun at a trusted friend or parents house.

Again: I don’t think your plan will reduce the increasingly high suicide rate which is present and growing among our US Vets who recently returned from war in Afghanistan and/or Iraq.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 9:35 AM
I Repost has all the defining qualities of what is wrong with the Liberal party and the OWS movement. They claim to care. They claim to want to help. They claim to have the moral high ground. The problem with all these claims is, only when it suits their needs to do so.

For weeks I Repost has spouted how great this OWS movement is, and how superior it is compared to the Tea Party movement. Telling us how it is going to reshape America and is the greatest movement of our generation, something to be proud of. He has time and again taken these unfounded, undocumented truths to back other arguments, because it suited his needs at the time, and he benefited by it.

Now, as with all things Liberal, once you look past the surface, we find it is not at all what they purported it to be. It is a gang of thugs doing unspeakable deeds, exploiting men, women, children and themselves for their own selfish ends. Now that the real movement as been exposed, I Repost has nothing to say on the subject. You would think by his reaction that the OWS movement never existed, and you would be right. Because in his mind now that it has outlived its usefulness, it is no longer relevant and not worthy of his time or attention.

So be wary when you support these Liberals. They are here to save the day, not because they are noble in their cause, but because you are a resource to be exploited. When your usefulness has run its course, you can count on them not to remember or care who you are.

To you I Repost, I have but one quote to leave you with.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 8:36 AM
yes suicides are terrible….the only group higher is white males 85 or older….47 per 100,000

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 7:40 AM
Not allowing counselors to ask if someone who is depressed and considering suicide has a gun at home is very stupid rule, I think the rule should be changed.
OK….Let’s change the law…..and if observation is needed in an institution it is court ordered…….and if they don’t need it they DO NOT LOOSE gun rights……and if the Dr., psychiatrist, or counselor goof they are then guilty of manslaughter…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 7:21 AM
I’m glad that you agree with me….We have enough gun laws and don’t need any more…..and I’m REALLY REALLY HAPPY to hear you say it’s Obama’s fault…..

so we agree we need more work on Mental health issues……

How about if your found to be disturbed you loose your student loans?????or your right to protest?????or your right to burn the Flag?????

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 7:02 AM
UAW – you and I agree!!

Not allowing counselors to ask if someone who is depressed and considering suicide has a gun at home is very stupid rule, I think the rule should be changed.

Whoever came up with the rule was wrong. How about you and I write to President Obama and select Congressmen to get that stupid rule changed?

Our soldiers are needlessly committing suicide and we could help change the stupid rule which makes suicide too easy.

UAW = You are brilliant. Thanks We can do this and help our troops.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 6:33 AM
http://www.dailypaul.com/23787/veterans-disarmament-act-signed-into-law-jan-8

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 6:26 AM
also in your Crooks and Liars post….
“The NRA was outraged, apparently, that a Kansas army base wanted soldiers to register privately owned weapons.”

The NRA is against all gun registration…..what does that have to do with a counselor asking if they own a gun…….sounds like a HIPPA thing to me…..there are already laws(and the NRA backs) that prohibits people with mental illness from owning guns…..

“The NRA pushed for the law after receiving complaints from soldiers at bases across the country, says spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. In Fort Riley, Kan., commanders “imposed a preposterous regulation,” according to the NRA website, that required soldiers to register firearms that they were keeping off base and authorized commanders “to set arbitrary limits on the caliber of firearms and ammunition their troops may privately own.”

The NRA defended the measure. “The thing that doesn’t make sense to us is that when anyone exhibits high-risk tendencies, the logical response would be to provide counseling, to address matters at hand that are triggering these high-risk tendencies,” Mr. Arulanandam says. “That would be common sense, rather than to talk to them about gun locks.””

so what really spooked the veterans…..how about the veteran’s disarmament act….

The House bill, HR 2640, is being sponsored by one of the most flaming anti-Second Amendment Representatives in Congress: Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). Another liberal anti-gunner, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), is sponsoring the bill in the Senate.

http://gunowners.org/a010808.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901053/posts

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 6:21 AM
The Republicans are doing TV ads for President Obama to get him re-elected. Go figure. I am sure he is appreciative, I know I am.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 12, 2011
at 6:20 AM
More business as usual if you’re the liberal elite media. Karl Rove backed Crossroads ad pulled off the air for no other reason than being a big lie.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/crossroads-ad-karl-rove-false-jon-tester_n_1089182.html?ref=homepage

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By: Anonymous on November 12, 2011
at 6:02 AM
Hey I Report….

I assume by your posts that you voted for that great family values guy John Edwards…..

As for the suicides,they are a terrible thing……..A rule in last year’s National Defense Authorization Act — backed by the NRA of course — prohibits such conversations…..

but put the blame where it really belongs……. with the person who signed the bill……..that’s right….it’s Obama’s fault!!!!!!

The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010 (H.R. 2647, Pub.L. 111-84, 123 Stat. 2190.) is a law in the United States signed by President Barack Obama on October 28, 2009.

it might amuse some to learn that in the house vote 221 Dems voted for this with 19 against….168 Rep for and 3 against……

Jul 23, 2009: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each senator’s position was not kept.

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By: uawtradesman on November 12, 2011
at 5:43 AM
I always knew you were a coward I Repost. To afraid, or is it ignorant…to respond. You represent the best the Liberal party has to offer I’m sure. Act all holy and turn a blind eye when it suits your purpose.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 11:59 PM
Interesting: I pay more Federal Income Tax than 30 large corporations combined!!!!!

http://www.politicususa.com/en/ypaid-more-tax-than-fortune-500-companies

How can you support the tax dodging of LARGE CORPORATIONS and the wealthiest 1%, who have run off with tax breaks. Of course they want to take away the benefits the middle class have been paying into for their entire lives.

OWD is saying Tax Fairness MUST INCLUDE THE WEALTHIEST AND THE CORPORATIONS!!!!

10 Years of tax cuts for the wealthiest and Corporations!!!! WHERE ARE THE JOBS!!!! Anon is full of crap!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 10:14 PM
More despicable and disturbing people from the OWS movement. Grammy-Nominated Singer’s New Violent Occupy Anthem

Our canvas is freedom
Your blood is our paint […]

Like a pig you consumed
And like a pig you will roast […]

And what you won’t share
Will be ripped from your hands
Your body destroyed
The way fire lands
Burning your homes
The privilege you snake
The payback beyond
Anything you could take
Naked you’ll be
And full of regret
And the way they were treated
You’ll long to forget
Just business as usual if you are a Liberal.

I Repost, after all these stories of murder, rape, child abuse, drug use and over dose, assaults, robbery, theft, vandalism, could you explain to me again how any why you support these people? And how you think(factual evidence as I have provided please, not speculation) the Tea Party people are worse?

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 9:23 PM
Liberals are at it again. In their quest for political supremacy, they have no lines they will not cross. Cain is in their cross hairs and nothing short of ruining Cain and his families life will do. And we wonder why we don;t have good people running for President. Just business as usual if you are a Liberal.

In what is being dubbed the “smear of the year” by RadioEqualizer, liberal talk radio host Bill Press actually equated GOP presidential contender Herman Cain with disgraced Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky – who stands accused of sodomizing a ten-year-old boy in a school shower and “pimping out” boys with whom he worked, to donors. Thus far, Sandusky has been charged with some 40 counts of sexual abuse of underage boys.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-liberal-radio-host-bill-press-really-compare-herman-cain-to-penn-state-molester/

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 9:15 PM
Denver Occupiers Storm Conservative Blogger Conference, 1 Arrested. These OWS scum continue to act like a gang of thugs. Just business as usual if you are a Liberal.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/denver-occupiers-storm-conservative-blogger-conference-1-arrested/

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 9:11 PM
Newt is moving up for sure. He is only a couple points behind UNDECIDED.

I find this interesting:
Suicide rates among Vets from Iraq and Afghanistan are at record levels. There are more military dead from suicide than from the wars the last couple of years. I found this article interesting.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/nra-blocked-effort-prevent-military-s

Seems the NRA (Rifle guys) won’t let counselors who see the vets ask if they have a gun at their home. So the guy says, I feel like killing myself but they cannot ask, ‘Do you have a gun.’

I now understand why the suicide rate is high and not coming down.

Good old gun lobby!!!! BANG, BANG, BANG – Bury another soldier boys.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 6:34 PM
Newt has my vote as well.

A massive blow to free speech served up by Liberal California. Just business as usual if you are an anti-American Liberal.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fed-judge-calif-school-was-right-to-forbid-students-american-flag-t-shirts-on-cinco-de-mayo/

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 6:15 PM
NEWT” Good family values guy. On 2 divorces. One when his old wife was on the operating table. Oh Yeah, He impeached President Clinton at the same time he was having an affair of his own. Great creds for family values.

Good Choice. Late Night Comics will enjoy it.

You might consider Sarah Palin. Letterman would appreciate Palin as a ‘serious’ candidate.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 4:50 PM
Still leaning towards Newt….

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By: uawtradesman on November 11, 2011
at 4:28 PM
Self-described “sovereign citizens” take the position that they are answerable only to common law and are not subject to any statutes or proceedings at the federal, state or municipal levels, or that they do not recognize U.S. currency and that they are “free of any legal constraints.”[2]

sounds like an occupy rally to me…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 11, 2011
at 4:25 PM
Morgan cannot be trusted to make court dates and is a danger to the community because she had documents in her car related to poisonous plants and instructions on making a pipe bomb.

any relation to Obama’s buddy Bill Ares….
if she would have had a police baton with her Eric Holder would have let her go…..maybe Barack will invite her in for a beer……

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By: uawtradesman on November 11, 2011
at 4:21 PM
UAW: Give me a report of Nailin Palin, Sounds kind of gross actually.

Who do you support for Republican Presidential Candidate then? I was just trying to help out. Republicans seem to have stepped in dog shit with the current field of clowns running.

Who is your candidate?? Just wondering.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 4:20 PM
Hey I Report!!!!!!
Where have I ever said I would vote for or support Sarah Palin…..(but with a choice between Palin or Biden)(a tossup)….Your the one with the fixation on her…..Why don’t you download NAILIN PALIN (XXX) and pump some blood into your brain….

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By: uawtradesman on November 11, 2011
at 4:13 PM
UAW – (Ricin) Mary Morgan is looking for a place to cool her heels and talk of the evils of President Obama and Liberals – can you make room for her?

She will take care of anyone who you disagree with politically.

UAW: YOU, Ricin Mary, and Anon could make plans for getting Sarah Palin to be the Republican Candidate for President 2012. The current group of Presidential Candidates seem to be imploding.

Think about it!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 4:03 PM
TeaParty: If I remember right, they carry guns and talk about shooting people they do not like.

Occupy apparently also carries guns and they do shoot people…..

Occupy Oakland: Man shot to death near camp

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/10/BAAI1LTA0L.DTL#ixzz1dR3yKBrR
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/10/MNAI1LTA0L.DTL

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By: uawtradesman on November 11, 2011
at 3:43 PM
A nice ‘I HATE OBAMA AND LIBERALS’ lady is locked up in jail and needs one of you to sponsor her so she can be released. Seems she got caught with a gun and all kinds of paperwork on making Ricin, a poison that will kill lots of people.

The judge says he can consider releasing her from jail if someone would vouch for her and sign over their house if she flees the country.

There must be some right wing person willing to help (Ricin) Mary Morgan out. I think her plan was only to kill liberals.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/meet-alaskas-newest-domestic-terrorist.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 3:31 PM
UAW: You support Sarah Palin too it seems. Thanks for bringing up Sarah UAW!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 3:17 PM
What kind of moron goes to an occupy rally —-bashes the elite —-and and has a $1,000,000 vacation home…….

Michel Moore….

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/abreitbart/2011/11/10/exclusive-photos-michael-moores-massive-michigan-vacation-mansion-beyond-99-percents-wildest-dreams/

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By: uawtradesman on November 11, 2011
at 2:59 PM
Anon: Here is another idea for Sarah Palin.

She has the bus. Talk her into going to ski resorts and have Sarah Palin Snowsnookie contests. People can give to SarahPac and talk her into running for President. I bet Leno and Letterman would like to help out.

Speaking of Letterman: Here is Rick Perry on Letterman last night,
You have had a rough week but getting it kicked around a lot. This should lighten it up somewhat. Enjoy Anon!!

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/rick-perry-attempts-to-recover-from.html

TeaParty: If I remember right, they carry guns and talk about shooting people they do not like.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 2:57 PM
Watch as Protesters Viciously Attack Woman at Occupy San Diego. What a bunch of scum bags these OWS people are. You have never seen the Tea Party act this way. But that is just business as usual if you are a Liberal.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 1:43 PM
Occupy Oakland Protestors Attack KGO Cameraman For Shooting Video of Murder Scene. Never see Tea Party People acting like this.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/kgo-cameraman-attacked-while-shooting-murder-scene-at-occupy-oakland_b28970#more-28970

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 1:37 PM
What a slap in the face to vets. Calif. Mayor chooses occupy rally over Veterans Day Memorial. But that is just business as usual if you are a Liberal.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 1:35 PM
I am really feeling bad for the Republican Party! ROMNEY HAS BEEN DECLARED WINNER as the Republican Presidential Candidate. The Republicans lost their asses last Tuesday for over – reaching, even in red states. Current Polling shows Cain at 18%, Undecided is at 17% and then Romney and Newt at 15%.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/herman-cain-barely-holds-top-spot-in.html

After much thought and checking with liberal blogs, I have come to the answer to Republicans is SARAH PALIN!! She is always looking for the camera and a quick buck. I AM PROPOSING THAT ANONYMOUS USE HIS CLOUT AND THIS BLOG TO GET SARAH PALIN DRAFTED AS THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT 2012. Anonymouse could be the Vice Presidential Nominee..

Just trying to help out. Republicans are on a course of self destruction – you need new ideas.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 1:12 PM
Democrats have slandered genuine grassroots Tea Partiers as lawless, racist, AstroTurf scofflaws who are sometimes even domestic terrorists, despite the Tea Partiers’ peaceful, respectful behavior, no evidence of racism and almost no arrests at any of their events. Liberals pejoratively labeled them Tea Baggers and mocked their legitimate protests against the unprecedented spending of the Obama administration. But when leftist Occupy Wall Street protesters have truly been organized from above, have engaged in lawless and violent behavior leading to many arrests and have spewed anti-Semitic bile, liberals, including President Obama himself, have lionized them and identified with their cause. Just business as usual for Liberals.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 1:08 PM
UAW: I think Helen has been banned from posting any more by Anonymous. Anon has to approve her writing and she is just too liberul so there will be no post until her writing is written to his right wing standards,

Helen: I hope you and Margaret are well and hope there is a new post soon.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 12:00 PM
Breaking News: THE REPUBLICAN SEARCH FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IS OVER!!!!

Jon Stewart DECLARES MITT ROMNEY THE WINNER and the Republican Presidential Candidate for 2012. Romney wins by saying nothing at the last debate! This is a must see. Even Anon will appreciate it.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-10-2011/indecision-2012—mercy-rule-edition?xrs=synd_facebook

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 11:51 AM
Helen…OH Helen….Where are you???????
It’s been 2 1/2months…….
We need new material……..
What’s the matter……Starting to disagree with the libs here…….
Give us some more of your words of wisdom…….

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By: uawtradesman on November 11, 2011
at 11:21 AM
When President Bush attacked Iraq with the Democrats’ approval, based on a perceived and possibly actual national security threat, liberals savaged him as a lying warmonger. But when President Obama attacked Libya, let alone Egypt, without any discernible national security interest and without Congress’s endorsement, liberals hailed his foreign policy acumen. Just business as usual for Liberals.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 10:57 AM
White House Lashes Out at Congress Over ‘Partisan’ Solyndra Investigation. Looks like this story can’t fade fast and furious enough for this administration of transparency.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/white-house-lashes-out-congress-over-partisan-solyndra-investigation

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 10:47 AM
Anon, just playing the game the way Liberals play it. You don’t like it? Tuff.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 10:45 AM
A wonderful tribute to the working men and women of Ohio who so valiantly showed the middle class that we can fight back and take back their state.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/protesters-occupy-bachmann-campaign-event-sc

Of course, there will be a tax increase for the wealthiest to pay for the needs of our country. Shared Sacrifice means the wealthiest must join in paying for our countries needs. It makes total sense – just 10 years late but better late than never.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 10:30 AM
10 YEARS OF TAX CUTS!!! WHERE ARE THE JOBS THEY CREATED???

Afganistan and Iraq Wars were supposed to be temp jobs if I remember correctly.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 10:02 AM
Let’s reserve at least 11 minutes at 11am (in your time zone) to find a way for each of us to honor our veterans on 11-11-11, Veterans Day.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 9:56 AM
Typical republican hypocrisy from anonymous noah. He commands higher standards from others than himself.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 9:45 AM
Just Representing Anon 8:50. Don’t be hatin, be participatin.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 9:16 AM
Hard to believe. Working families are struggling and the Democrats response to this financial crisis? Democrats are proposing to match any spending cuts with new tax increases, attempting to find $1 trillion in savings to match $1 trillion in new taxes. Unbelievable! Just business as usual if you are a Liberal.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/democrats-offer-1-trillion-tax-increase-super-committee-deal

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 9:14 AM
Typical republican hypocrisy from anonymous noah. He condemns “I Report” for spamming the blog with propaganda links and then does the same thing. In his own words, he should be banned.

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 8:50 AM
President Barack Obama is presenting Americans with a choice between Washington and Wall Street that not only is false but also ignores the nation’s founding principle. It is time someone told this man he is the President of the U.S.A., not the Socialist Muslim Republic of Obama.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Rubio-Obama-Wall-Street/2011/11/10/id/417619

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 8:29 AM
More JOBS JOBS JOBS killing measures by this administration. Oh My!!! Obama officials to delay Keystone pipeline decision, likely until after election.

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/192909-obama-administration-to-reevaluate-keystone-pipeline-route-delay-decision

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 8:24 AM
The woman that DEAD BEAT DAD WALSH screamed at was interviewed on the Ed Schultz show. She had a lot to say and made a lot of sense. BTW: Deadbeat Dad Walsh AKA Representative Walsh, owes $117,000 for child support. He knows a lot about money and how to take it from his own children. BTW: Only the US Postal Service delivers to Emmonak, Alaska – No FED EX OR UPS Deliveries to many villages in AK – The US Postal Service delivers for the Private Companies.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-talks-usps-letter-carrier-who-w

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 8:10 AM
Obama, still public enemy #1 to the working class.

http://townhall.com/columnists/harryrjacksonjr/2011/11/10/real_monsters_didn%E2%80%99t_disappear_after_halloween

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 6:48 AM
Waste, Fraud and Solyndra. Yesterday morning: President Obama signs an executive order to end government waste.

That afternoon: Investigators uncover emails indicating a prominent Obama donor actively lobbied the administration on behalf of Solyndra (the now-bankrupt stimulus-backed California-based solar energy company).

http://townhall.com/columnists/reincepriebus/2011/11/10/waste,_fraud_and_solyndra

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 6:45 AM
Happy Vets day all

Our jet-set president starts another round of leading from behind this week as he leaves for Hawaii, Australia and Bali to see if he can learn from and share with other world leaders how they create jobs, ignore their constitution, arm drug cartels without getting subpoenaed; or at, the very least how they shave a shot or two off their handicap. While we all suffer the effects of the Obama administration, he goes on a trip. Just business as usual for Liberals.

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/11/11/obama_i_want_to_be_known_as_the_junket_president

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By: Anonymous on November 11, 2011
at 6:42 AM
Happy Veterans Day to you and everyone else I report. Our daughter and son-in law will spend their noon hours at a Sizzler restaurant in Omaha with us. They give veterans free meals today.

Instead of responding to your clap trap, I will bore you with a story. When I returned to the US and civilian life, I had not slept for over 24 hours, and I was loopy. A flight attendant and I started visiting, and we were so interested in each others’ stories, she moved me to first class so we could talk during her breaks.

I told about some of my Air Force adventures, and my voice was louder than I thought. After the plane landed, she gave me a Disneyland balloon, and someone behind me began to clap. Then, all of the passengers gave me a standing ovation. I didn’t know how to react.

Times were hard for awhile, but I never forgot the kindness of that flight attendant. I tried to find her and finally did in 2004. She was a determined, bubbly young woman whom everyone liked in high school. Her ambition was to see the world, and she did before she died of cancer in 1977.

Most Vietnam Era veterans received a poor welcome home, but that flight attendant gave me the biggest parade imaginable. I wish I had found her sooner to thank her again.

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By: James on November 11, 2011
at 6:30 AM
Happy Veteran’s Day!! Bush- Republican Thinking: A group of crazies in Afghanistan took out the Twin Towers in NY with money from Saudi Arabia.
BUSH SAYS: LET’S BOMB IRAQ!!!! WMD – A LIE!!!.
A Trillion Later and 10 years later – President Obama, takes out Sadam, Osama and a shit load of other Crazies leaders. President Obama is getting us out of Iraq on the DATE SET BY Pres. Bush.

President Obama got us into some wars which essentially toppled the leader within a year. President Obama also involved other countries and used smart tactics. If we fight wars – lets not make them 10+ years long like the Republican tactics INSIST UPON.

Anon likes to talk about a waste of money: TRILLION DOLLAR WAR IN IRAQ, ineptly run, WASTED LIVES OF OUR MEN!!!! War should not be a Trillion Dollar Game which puts cash into the pockets of the 1% richest. Quit killing our young men for PROFIT, which is the Republican Way!!!

Enjoy your Veterans Day!!!! Yes, I am a Veteran,

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 5:38 AM
The Republican Philosophy in 68 seconds. I wish I had heard and seen this before. It explains the current philosophical underpinnings of the Right Wing Republican Party so very well. There really is thought behind the Republican Party afterall?

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/fun-friday-post-just-when-you-thought.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 11, 2011
at 5:16 AM
Occupy Fannie and Freddie. Liberals ripping off Americans hard earned money. MF Global Holdings, whose CEO is former Democratic New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, has $600 million missing from customer accounts. Just business as usual for Liberals.

http://townhall.com/columnists/debrajsaunders/2011/11/10/occupy_fannie_and_freddie

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 11:09 PM
Classy: OWS Defaces 9/11 Memorial. There are no boundaries, no lines a Liberal will not cross, from forced sterilization of minorities and children to defacing a 9/11 memorial, just business as usual for Liberals.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katehicks/2011/11/10/classy_ows_defaces_911_memorial

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 11:00 PM
More Lies and Distortion from Nancy Pelosi. Just business as usual if you are a Liberal.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/erikajohnsen/2011/11/10/more_lies_and_distortion_from_nancy_pelosi

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 10:57 PM
OMG: REPUBLICANS VOTED YES ON JOBS BILLS PUT UP BY DEMOCRATS!!! Jim DeMint voted No!!
Republicans know they got their butts kicked last Tuesday and they have to vote with the people or they will be voted out – LIKE RUSSEL PIERCE in AZ.

Rachel Maddow tells the story:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-wishes-sen-jim-demint-happy-v

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 10, 2011
at 10:05 PM
Yes I Repost, they are showing the worst side of humanity…and you are their poster boy supporting forced sterilization of children and minorities, rape, drug abuse, child abuse, communism, and the list goes on.

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 9:47 PM
Republicans lose on Unions, Abortion and Immigration this past Tuesday. They also lost the Kentucky governorship to the Democratic Candidate.

Jon Stewart breaks it down so very well!!!!

http://rackjite.com/archives/8535-Jon-Stewart-Republicans-lose-on-Unions,-Abortion-and-Immigration.htm

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 10, 2011
at 9:43 PM
Rick Perry wants to get rid of three governmental departments. Department of Commerce, Department of Education, and the Department of My Campaign is Over.

Anon: Republicans sure did well last Tuesday – oh dang – THEY GOT CREAMED.
You have no clue what the average person in the US or the world is concerned about. The 99% are changing the US and the world in a positive way.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 10, 2011
at 9:10 PM
OWS is a joke to the rest of the world and the laugh is on us. Their actions of rape, drug abuse, a myriad of other dispicable acts is a black mark on us all. It is sad to see you support these people I Repost.

Happy Pepero Day!

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 8:35 PM
I remember back when the Democratic meetings had shouting and yelling and FOX and right wingers felt it was totally appropriate.
Now, it happened to Michelle Bachmann. OWS is perfecting a technique thought up by some Right Wingers.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/ows-protestors-interrupt-michele.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 10, 2011
at 7:56 PM
missed the link there.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-snubs-va-gas-and-oil-exploration-costing-state-thousands-new-jobs-gov-mcdonnell

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 1:41 PM
I Report

Keep it up pal. It is so much fun to sit back and watch the thugs here choke on their own vomit each time you post. LOL, LOL

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 11:36 AM
Obama Snubs Va. on Gas and Oil Exploration, Costing the State ‘Thousands of New Jobs,’ Gov. McDonnell Says OH MY!!!! JOBS JOBS JOBS??????

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 10:30 AM
Hey I report..
I also agree that Perry screwed himself….
as far as college students and Occupy, I thought the students just wanted their loans paid off by someone else(the gov)….. whats this about jobs…..jobs involve work….. liberals and work don’t compute……
I will agree that the job creators have not kept up with their job…..but just how many artists,lawyers,paper pushers, or drug dealers do we need….. how much better-off would this country be if some of them could pound a nail,wire a light,weld,drive a tractor,milk a cow, or hoe a garden……
It’s terrible that some people are trying to make it on 2-3 part time minimum wage jobs but it’s also terrible that some people won’t do those jobs and then complain about loans and how unfair it is……….

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By: uawtradesman on November 10, 2011
at 9:42 AM
the OWS is impolding and being shown for what they really are. Communists, child abusers, loons, drug abusers, rapists.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/occupying-fox-news-see-the-occupy-wall-st-ad-that-aired-during-the-oreilly-factor/

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 9:20 AM
Thanks I Repost. A Perfect example of how Liberals gain support. They first have to find a way to make you a victim of something. In this case its those poor students. Can you believe it that people expect them to make good on their word? Can you believe people actually want them to pay back a loan? What on earth are we teaching our kids that we expect them to honor agreements they willing enter in to?

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 9:09 AM
Here are some random comments from students who attended the GOP debate last night. I found them interesting.

“I thought Perry was a big flop. I believe he lost the election in that cycle of questions,” said one student. “Rick Perry? I think he’s Texas toast,” said another.

But apart from picking a winner, these serious students are all a-buzz, chattering about the issues important to them: student loans and the jobs needed to repay them.

“The biggest thing that’s important to me is how student loans are funded. I do feel that the onus is too heavily on us students to pay that back. Seventy percent of jobs these days require a four year degree. After tonight, I’m voting for Obama in 2012,” says an OU sophomore student.

Outstanding student loan debt is now set to top $1 trillion for the first time this year — which means Americans now owe more on student loans than on credit cards.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 10, 2011
at 9:01 AM
Obama Still Pushing Jobs Bill That Was Defeated in Democrat-Controlled Senate JOBS JOBS JOBS OH MY!!!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-still-pushing-jobs-bill-was-defeated-democrat-controlled-senate

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 8:59 AM
Oh My!!
Gallup: 26% Percent Approve of Obama’s Handling of Deficit
30% for his handling of the economy.
36 percent for creating jobs.

Obama has added $4,349,562,460.80 to our national debt. That equals about $37,000 for each of the 117,538,000 households

Oh My!!! The House of cards Obama has built is coming down around him.Going to be hard to reelect someone with these numbers.

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 8:54 AM
Hey I Report…
tell me again why it is OK to vandalize a business, push people down stairs, sell or take heroin, rape, shit on other people’s doorsteps, or be a total F$CKING jerk……

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By: uawtradesman on November 10, 2011
at 8:50 AM
A Christmas Tree Tax? Really Obama?

http://cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/christmas-tree-industry-promoted-new-4m-tax-not-expected-have-any-impact-price

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By: Anonymous on November 10, 2011
at 8:44 AM
The 99 had little to do with changing attitudes.

Alaska is getting a super storm, maybe equivalent to a catagory three hurricane. The lack of Artic ice made it worse than it would have been 40 years ago when Alaska was colder.

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By: James on November 10, 2011
at 8:42 AM
The Ohio Republicans were out spent and out campaigned in Ohio. The governor should have exempted the police and fire fighters as the Wisconsin governor did–again, from memory, so I could be wrong about that.

The news was not all bad for the Republicans, even in Ohio. Voters rejected the Obamacare insurance payment mandate.

Republicans need to focus on what most people care about–the economy. Polluting the campaign with social issues and failing to explain what our debt will do to us wins votes for the Democrats.

Democrats are trying to portray Republicans as obstructionists the way Harry Truman did. Republicans made a major concession in the super committee. As Senator Durban noted, it was a major breakthrough. They proposed $300 billion in new taxes. Democrats walked away. No agreement and potential draconian cuts if the super committee fails will become the Republicans’ fault. Democrats will harness the anger generated to win an election for Obama and maybe for other legislators.

Cain and Perry are finished. Republican choices range from Mitt to Newt. This could also work in Obama’s favor. Obama should be cautiously optimistic.

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By: James on November 10, 2011
at 8:37 AM
Oh My! Signers of Grover Norquist’s pledge of no new taxes want their names removed. HOW CAN THIS BE?????? The 99% are forcing change???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/grover-norquist-anti-tax-pledge_n_1084129.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=1682375,b=facebook

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 10, 2011
at 8:24 AM
This is from memory, not a link. Yes, the CRA loans were innocuous at first, but there is more to the story.. They became toxic after the savings and loan scandal put some banks and savings and loans out of business and survivors merged. ACORN and other groups sued and protested to intimidate banks to loan more money to poor people.

The Clinton administration further pressured banks to make more risky loans. Then, realtors, financial institutions and world stock traders found ways to make money from the housing bubble before it burst. As in 1973 before the farm crash, too many borrowers and lenders believed the laws of economics had been canceled.

The commercial property bubble inflated on the strength of an active housing market and unrealistic expectations of the economy.

This is another example of “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.” Greed and political calculation over rode the good intentions.

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By: James on November 10, 2011
at 8:17 AM
Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow discuss the Tuesday ‘vote in Ohio. Ed is in Ohio talking to legislators from Ohio. The tide has turned. Republicans – Your ideas are not those of the 99%.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/728499/amazing_video_of_ohio_state_senator_dressing_down_governor_after_union-busting_bill_defeated/#paragraph4

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 10, 2011
at 7:59 AM
The true obstructionists are exposed.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/erick-hamme/rand-paul-dems-super-committee-walk-out-any-deal-will-not-be-good-obamas-election

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 11:51 PM
Exposed? One of Cain’s Accusers Works for the Obama Administration. No big surprise there. Business as usual in the Liberal world.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exposed-one-of-cains-accusers-works-for-the-obama-administration/

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 11:48 PM
More Obama administration and corruption exposed.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/emails-prove-major-obama-donor-discussed-solyndra-loan-with-white-house/

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 11:47 PM
Nancy Pelosi ’60 Minutes’ Segment Expected To Focus On House Minority Leader’s Stock Investments. Be interesting to see where this goes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/nancy-pelosi-60-minutes_n_1082968.html?ref=san-francisco&ncid=webmail15

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 11:37 PM
Deadbeat Dad Walsh was yelling, “Don’t blame the banks!!”

I like this response I came across:
june says:
November 9, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Jose, this deadbeat dad is a member of Congress and owes his ex-wife more than $100,000 in back child support. He is also full of bull manure. The Community Reinvestment Act was enacted to stop redlining of low and moderate income communities. Studies have concluded that CRA loans were safer than subprime mortgages. CRA loans accounted for a tiny fraction of the total subprime mortages, most of which were originated by lenders not even regulated by CRA. Also, commercial property loans are not covered by CRA.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 9, 2011
at 10:56 PM
I see Deadbeat Dad Walsh is yelling at those who voted him into office!!
Oh My, Is it smart to yell at those who will vote for or against you???

http://juanitajean.com/2011/11/09/deadbeat-dad-joe-walsh-needs-somebody-to-bite-his-finger/

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”

Barry Goldwater, 1994
From the Juanitajean blog.

Anon: You really are an idiot.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 9, 2011
at 10:15 PM
And still I Repost doesn’t denounce it. Huh, who knew?

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 10:07 PM
UAW – Wall Street, Big Corporations get as much, or more blame as Democrats actually.

Here is a link which discusses the successes of Progressives on the elections yesterday. A Dem Governor was elected in Kentucky. (That is the state that elected Mitch McConnell -R and Rand Paul – R.) How did a Democrat ever get elected overwhelmingly there??? Must be some kind of message to Republicans. The vote which protected women’s rights in Mississippi should also be a wake up call for Republicans – seems to me.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/lawrence-odonnell-discusses.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 9, 2011
at 9:47 PM
only in america….
Occupy Oakland Protesters Deposit Funds At Wells Fargo After Bank Attacks

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/09/occupy-oakland-protesters-deposit-funds-at-wells-fargo-after-bank-attacks/

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By: uawtradesman on November 9, 2011
at 9:15 PM
Shamed into Silence, Imagine that.

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 5:55 PM
Hey,I Report….remember this….
“Half of Americans believe Republicans are intentionally sabotaging the US economy.”
Does that mean that the other half is blaming the Democrats for sabotaging the economy…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 9, 2011
at 11:26 AM
I also find it telling when you chose to speak on the topic of Forced Sterilization that you did not have enough compassion in your heart to condemn the atrocity committed by your party. To me anyway, that would be the very first thing on my mind, to convey that I did not support it, to let others know you would never support it again. I am astounded you didn’t at least say it was a bad thing.

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 10:41 AM
Wait wait wait, your defense of the poor, the black..and even children as young as 9 years old being forced to undergo sterilization, is that they had Republican offspring? lmfao

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 10:36 AM
What I find interesting about the forced sterilization is that those Dems who did that now have relatives who are LEADERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE SOUTH. I also like the way the Republicans are saying no birth control in Africa, India, etc.

It is also interesting that the Republicans say ALL FERTILIZED CELLS MUST LIVE, but THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS PAYING FOR YOUR CHILD BIRTH COSTS OR HEALTH CARE FOR THE NEW LITTLE TYKE!!! That is true Republican love for children and family values.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 9, 2011
at 9:52 AM
Yes I Repost but at least they didn’t actually go out and force sterilization upon the poor and the black as your party did.

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By: Anonymous on November 9, 2011
at 8:40 AM
In thinking about the Mississippi win. That was a blatant attempt to have the GOVERNMENT CONTROL THE BODIES AND LIVES OF WOMEN!

There would have been no greater attempt at Government Control and telling a woman what she MUST DO – whether rape, tubal pregnancy, etc.
The woman’s life would be at risk because a cell would take precedence over her life.

Pretty sad to consider actually.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 9, 2011
at 8:36 AM
Women’s reproductive rights win in Mississippi!!!! Common sense won.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/big-day-for-womans-right-to-control-her.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 9, 2011
at 8:29 AM
Win for the middle class in Ohio!!! The tide is turning.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 9, 2011
at 8:24 AM
37 Corporations paid NO Federal Taxes and even got our tax dollars back!!
Shared sacrifice? Not for the 1% or Huge Corporations – their lobbyists bought them tax breaks.

http://www.alternet.org/occupywallst/152958/37_giant_corporations_paid_0_in_taxes_last_year_–_who_are_the_cheats/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 9, 2011
at 7:24 AM
Staci, speaking for myself, I know exactly what I am doing. I report said he is writing so often to maintain a liberal presence on the site. I began doing the same thing, when I was one of the few alternative opinions. I also wanted to expose the bigots and jerks for what they were and to distinguish them from the nice people.

I may be the only one, but I respect I report for what he is doing. He also exaggerates and feeds us half- truths. I can’t change the world, but I can play I report’s hyperbolic game for fun when it suits my fancy. Judging Obama by the same standards Democrats and the press judged Bush is fun.

My record of being right ranged from my early opinion about the Tea Party to Cash for Clunkers and OWS. (I wasn’t the only one.) Anon has come unhinged because he cannot prove me wrong. He can write that I am wrong, but he cannot prove it. I have a long “paper trail.”

Now, he fantasizes about my drowning in one of our pools of still standing flood water. He also calls me names. He exposes himself as I had hoped he would. I report doesn’t embarrass himself with child-like fits of anger and personal attacks. Clearly, I report is the better man.

I have one word for you Anon.–loser. And you did it to yourself.

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By: James on November 9, 2011
at 7:05 AM
Understood. Guess I have never understood the need to go after strangers and make personal ASSumptions. But whatever gets you off sport.

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 11:22 PM
Anonymous on November 8, 201 at 7:07 PM

You are as stupid as horse manure.
I pointed out quite clearly why James is wrong..
Don’t try to blame me for your inability to read.
And James needs a new source other than the hacks at NewsBusters to get his talking points.
And how do you know I’m a liberal? Actually I’m a conservative mole.

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 10:48 PM
Anon 4:36. Why not be something other than the typical Liberal? Maybe instead of making personal attacks and vomiting hate, tell James why he is wrong. Be specific. You did nothing but make a complete fool of yourself.

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 7:07 PM
James you are a lying SOB. Your interpretations of Obama’s policies are pure fiction. Why don’t you find a pool of water on your property somewhere and hold your head under for ten minutes to clear your mini-mind of your interpretations.

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 4:36 PM
LMAO

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2011/11/08/florida-prisoner-suing-over-cruel-and-unusual-soy-based-meals/#comment-11156

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By: uawtradesman on November 8, 2011
at 3:24 PM
WOW, all I have to say to all this, is I miss Helen! You guys are out of control. Frankly I take issue will most politicians in power right now, both Republican and Democrat. It seems most have lost sight of what is important and are focused on furthering their own selfish agendas. I do not need to link any other articles or blogs, I just simply need to look out my window 😦 When will people realize that we need to work together in order to fix all that is wrong with this Country and in the current political climate I do not hold out much hope for this country.

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By: Staci on November 8, 2011
at 1:47 PM
If this does not convince you that the Democrats have Deep, Deep racists beliefs and practices then nothing will. Forced sterilization of Blacks, and the poor.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/msnbc-discusses-north-carolinas-forced-sterilization-program-avoids-mentioning-the-d-word/

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 11:07 AM
We Told You! The people have seen the truth and the end is near Oh My!!!
Gallup Poll: Conservatives 42%, Liberals 21%

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-poll-conservatives-42-liberals-21

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 10:57 AM
Again, in the spirit of your hyperbole, Obama wanted our troops to die in Iraq because he supported the strategy Murtha called the “slow bleed.” Murtha explained that by opposing the surge, and continuing to fund the war in Iraq Democrats could maintain the status quo which would let the war continue as an important issue in the next election.

The status quo was continuing stalemate and more deaths.

Obama lied about Libya. He said our troops would only be there a few days.

That Irishman was especially funny to me because I lived in England for two years. My family is Welsh (related to Irish), Scandinavian, and Finnish. All are stereotypical heavy drinkers.

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By: James on November 8, 2011
at 10:48 AM
As the left continues to try and paint Conservatives as racist. If you take a honest look at the issue, one would be forced to conclude the real racists are the Democrats.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47389

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 10:48 AM
A well stated article on the failure of trickle-down Obamanomics. Oh-My!!!

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47370

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 10:41 AM
Amazing: An Irishman talks about Wall Street. This is a must see! Even Anon will get a smile. Truth is truth afterall.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/irishmans-thoughts-occupy-wall-street

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 8, 2011
at 9:40 AM
Rachel Maddow on Herman Cain

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/08/8689586-the-artist-formerly-known-as-herman-cain

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 8, 2011
at 9:11 AM
Much deeper than Debbie did in Dallas those many years ago, Obama inserts his foot deep this time doing irreparable damage to international relations.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-mideast-netanyahu-sarkozy-idUSTRE7A720120111108

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By: Anonymous on November 8, 2011
at 8:10 AM
You might add that the President Obama wars DID NOT take ten years. 10 years for a war he lied to get us into is a Trillion.

How he population grew to 7 Billion

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/earths-population-how-did-we-get-so-big.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 8, 2011
at 7:58 AM
I report, we also have Libya, Yemen, and parts of Africa which Obama bypassed Congress to enter.

I’m twisting information the same way you do when I write we need the military more than we need poor people. I’ve already quoted government figures which show social bills match or exceed the cost of Iraq. Afghanistan was a war we needed to fight.

Democratic family values are no bargain either. Bill Clinton, the serial sexual preditor, Barney Frank, who’s boyfriend solicited from Barney’s house, and President Obama with a family member who is an illegal alien are also poor role models. He and his wife live and travel like potentates while most of the rest of the country suffers.

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By: James on November 8, 2011
at 7:19 AM
Half of Americans believe Republicans are intentionally sabotaging the US economy.

(The Republican tactic of taking down President Obama by taking down the economy is failing in the eyes of the 99%. How does it feel to shoot yourself in the foot time and time again? When your foot starts hurting and your toes are no longer there – Republicans might think of another tactic.)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/07/1033982/-Half-of-all-Americans-think-Republicans-are-purposefully-sabotaging-economy?via=blog_1

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 8, 2011
at 6:50 AM
When did you become the owner of this blog? And where do you get the right to banish others when it is your unfiltered BS that has sent most of the past contributors away?

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By: Anonymous on November 7, 2011
at 11:12 PM
I tried. Back to getting this loser banned.

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By: Anonymous on November 7, 2011
at 10:40 PM
More on Cost of our Military…

43% of all military spending in the world is spent by the USA.

http://jobsanger.blogspot.com/2011/11/cuts-to-military-are-needed-to-control.html

Several members of Congress, especially Republicans on the House and Senate Armed Services Committees, are readying legislation that would undo the automatic across-the-board cuts totaling nearly $500 billion for military programs, or exchange them for cuts in other areas of the federal budget.

These same politicians want Americans to believe that the spending on social programs that help poor people, unemployed people, children, and others is out of control and must be cut. And yet, all of these programs put together do not equal the money our government spends on the military. Spending for social programs is not out of control at all — in fact more is needed to help Americans survive this recession (especially since Congress refuses to invest in job creation).

But there is a part of the government budget where spending is definitely out of control — and that is the area of military spending. I know there are many who believe that the current level of military spending is necessary for the defense of this country. I find that argument to be ludicrous.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 7, 2011
at 9:51 PM
300 Years of Fossil Fuels in 300 seconds. Interesting stuff. You might learn something if you watch it.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 7, 2011
at 8:57 PM
53 cents of EVERY TAX dollar pays for military!!! That is a lot of money folks. Let’s see: We have Iraq, Afghanistan and now Republicans are pushing war in Iran. Hmmmmm. Health Care – food – housing – social security OR WAR!!!
Of course the choice is war, IF YOU ARE A BONE HEADED REPUBLICAN.

http://front.moveon.org/what-eats-up-53-cents-of-every-tax-dollar/?rc=fb.pm

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 7, 2011
at 8:50 PM
Family Values Republican Style:

Herman Cain and Newt as the Family Values Guys!!! A woman was in front of the camera today.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/fourth-woman-comes-forward-t-oaccuse.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 7, 2011
at 8:37 PM
i think one of the fundamental things wrong with our country is its citizenry is loosing its ability to do critical thinking on its own. I Repost is a prime example of this. For months he has regurgitated talking points of others while offering little in the way of his own thinking or views on how to fix things. After months of reading what this guy puts out I have no idea what his political views. I know he is a raging Liberal, but beyond that I have no clue what he truly believes.

I think this is the case with most of the people on this blog. Not all, but most. I don’t mind a link to the post that sets the stage for making an argument. I think far to often people are looking to others to be their voice and in doing so lose theirs. Make this blog interesting again. Link if you have to but what do you think? Or tell why you agree or disagree with what someone says in your link or in a link someone else posted.

I Repost, I have butted heads with you often in the past but I have no personal issues against you, just your way of thinking. I would love it if someday you could pull your head out of the political web pages and tell us what you think about your own beliefs. Tell me what you think of mine or James or UAW or anyone else for that matter. If you need a link to give credibility to your post, go for it, but lets put an end to this public service you think you are performing. Thanks in advance for giving my proposal some consideration.

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By: Anonymous on November 7, 2011
at 2:30 PM
any comments Helen

Occupy D.C.’ Goons Push Elderly Woman Down the Stairs

http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/11/07/occupy-dc-goons-push-elderly-woman-down-stairs

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By: uawtradesman on November 7, 2011
at 2:29 PM
and anonymous’s IQ is exceeded by his dick length….

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By: uawtradesman on November 7, 2011
at 9:21 AM
Eric Holder and Janet Reno…….
two reasons why I donate to the NRA….

It’s happening: Democratic lawmakers say Fast and Furious proof of need for harsher gun laws

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/05/its-happening-democratic-lawmakers-say-fast-and-furious-proof-of-need-for-harsher-gun-laws/

Objectivity Questioned in Shootings Probe

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/march99/holder11.htm

Nobody in America is above the law, including Eric Holder, including President Obama. There is no king.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011-10-08/holder-gun-probe/50695532/1

Come on Helen…..next post….
WHAT KIND OF MORON (I MEAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS) FORCES LAW ABIDING GUN DEALERS TO SELL TO CRIMINALS…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 7, 2011
at 8:46 AM
And UAW’s IQ is now exceeded by his shoe size

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By: Anonymous on November 7, 2011
at 8:38 AM
OH SH%T….

Bill Mahar is now an intellectual…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 7, 2011
at 7:57 AM
No, it doesn’t.

The Democrats did not have a filibuster-proof majority but the fact that they were unable to attract even one Republican vote during several contests and shows their partisanship and unwillingness to compromise on major issues.

The Republicans were trying to save us from a European fate.

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By: James on November 7, 2011
at 6:38 AM
Republicans say “Knowing things is seen as an affront to the all-knowing. And there’s nothing they hate more than secular eggheads trying to fix problems like poverty and health care. Honestly, doesn’t a lot of the tea party philosophy boil down to ‘Who needs the government when you have Jesus?’”

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/bill-maher-on-unspoken-motto-of.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 6, 2011
at 11:48 PM
Quite the little meltdown I Repost.

The Republicans are obstructing Obama to prevent him from doing any further damage. Even the godfather of the Dim-o-crats Clinton is slamming Obama. Like I have said all along, your Messiah is a false profit. You need to start whining about him from being the true obstructionist because true Americans will not allow him to further wreck our country.

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By: Anonymous on November 6, 2011
at 9:11 PM
This is for you Anon!!

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/early-sunday-morning-guest-rant.html

– THE DEMOCRATS NEVER CONTROLLED CONGRESS. No, not EVER. Stop repeating this lie. You look like an idiot, and you’re not helping. There were NEVER 60 votes – enough for a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Not even for a microsecond. People who blame President Obama for something that is OUR FAULT (for not sending him a Progressive Army, then staying home in a whiny snit) are F**KING STUPID.

– CANDIDATE OBAMA RAN ON CHANGE AND PROMISED TO END PARTISANSHIP. He is still trying. It’s the GOP who refuse. HE has KEPT THAT PROMISE. It’s OUR FAULT there are asshats in Congress who care more about their hatred for one man, and regaining power…

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 6, 2011
at 5:09 PM
I Repost, I would consider responding to you if you did the same when asked questions. Until you do I will just say you misrepresent the Republicans intentionally and have no interest in learning the truth, only achieving victory for your limited political ideology. I will go one step further to add I do not think you actually have a clue what you represent. If I were a betting man I would say you took on your parents political affiliation and represent it not knowing what it truly is about or why.

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By: Anonymous on November 6, 2011
at 3:49 PM
This is just too good. You’re so Cain

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/youre-so-cain

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 6, 2011
at 1:15 PM
Right now the Republicans are focusing on this “Personhood Amendment” in Mississippi.

Yet they argue AGAINST spending money for children currently living in poverty.

They argue AGAINST spending money on education.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/serious-question-of-day.html
They almost unanimously support EVERY opportunity to go to war.

And the majority supports the death penalty.

So here is my question, “Why do the Republicans care so little for people NOT surrounded by amniotic fluid?”

Any thoughts?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 6, 2011
at 10:57 AM
Poolman, I am judging OWS by the same standards the press and Democrats judged the Tea Parties. They did not face the same infiltrators as the current protest movement does, though the press and Democrats tried to invent some. Police in North Carolina , I think let people attend a rally while some carried concealed weapons because the protests till then had been peaceful. That one was too.

I understand what is happening. I watched it during the anti- war protests. A majority was peaceful, but the hard core members wanted violence and eventually a group with people like the Ayres splintered into terrorism. An ACORN official, who’s group is helping organize and pay for the protests advocated future violence to bring down the capitalist system. They want a martyr as at Kent State during the sixties.

The Black Block will eat the movement just as the Bolshevics ate the Menshivics.

The BBC interviewed protest leaders before the Chicago riots. They said they planed to incite police violence for maximum effect. Its too bad the majority of peaceful demonstrators, like the peaceful majority now didn’t know they were being used.

Cain’s problems should have been publicized. I don’t think the Democrats leaked the information either. My problem is how the press has covered the story compared to Clinton’s bimbo eruptions, Obamas’ church, Kerry’s running mate, who’s name I have forgotten, and other stories were down played until the press had little choice.

Here is a gift for you. I did some research to learn the latest thinking on why my Finnish cousins, though blond have some Asian features. While looking, I explored you tube flash mobs. Google Official LOVE146 Flash Mob-Can you see me? It was done by a Christian oriented organization created to stop child exploitation. Annie Lenox wrote the song for them.

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By: James on November 6, 2011
at 9:57 AM
As a former LAPD officer, I created this video to address those police officers — and their leadership — who have been in violent and brutal attacks at some of the Occupy Wall Street protest camps in the U.S. and around the world. As Sergeant Shamar Thomas made so clear in New York, there are honorable examples from both military and police who can say, “I saw what you did and that was not honorable.” In a world where examples of honorable political leadership are hard to find, it remains for the many veterans who have served with honor to hold up the light and say this is wrong.

http://owsnews.org/a-message-to-all-police-officers-from-a-former-lapd-officer-and-occupy-wall-street-supporter/

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By: poolman on November 6, 2011
at 9:33 AM
Another Iraq war veteran injured by Oakland police brutality.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/heres-the-army-ranger-the-oakland-police-brutally-attacked.html

James, it seems obvious you are getting a MSM version of events regarding the OWS movement. There have been some incidents of violence. But much of the vandalism has been done by the Black Bloc, which are infiltrators paid to create it. There are live streams and thousands of videos coming out that show the street perspective, and the Occupy crowd opposing the Black Bloc.

AFA the Cain smears, those have been traced back to the Perry camp. Democrats have no reason at this time to discredit Cain. It is the GOP candidates vying for top position. I do expect the GOP nominee to be slandered by the democrats, once one is named. Politics is all about that anymore. After all, it’s our favorite puppet show. 😐

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By: poolman on November 6, 2011
at 8:21 AM
NewsBusters quoted John Nolte who compiled a list of OWS violence. The incident count was 151 with more to be counted. These include an arson arrest in Fort Collins, Colorado, a 78 year old woman’s being pushed down a flight of stars, A women only tent to prevent rapes at Zuccotti Park in New York City. A poll showed 31% of protesters supporting violence.

The liberal media and people on this forum were notorious at amplifying a single incident to smear the entire movement. Some, including people here called them by a gay sexual practice. A few called me names because I defended the Tea Party. Our hosts with several comments, also did what they could to destroy what they rightly regarded as a political enemy.

Now, the press reports the OWS in a scatter gun fashion to avoid being charged with favoritism. “By choosing not to bring the pieces together the MSM ensures the least amount of public relations damage to the Occupiers.”

Mayor Bloomberg is not evicting the OWS squatters because his domestic partner
is on the board of directors of the company which owns the park. About 95% of the protesters arrested in New York City during the first month live in homes worth $500,000 or more.

Allahpundit wrote “…the coverage of OWS protests compared to the coverage of tea-party protests is the worst media double standard in recent history. Nothing compares, because nothing else involves this much distortion on both ends of the coverage.”

Another issue illustrating the double standard is the Cain alligations. Kathleen Willy, one of the women who accused Clinton of sexual assault noted the difference in press coverage. She said she plans to vote for Cain.

Jsri, Judge, or Thom ought to attempt to prove me wrong about the human garbage floating around, but they can’t.

An Omaha computer company said we face a hard drive shortage because of the floods in Thailand and it is not part of OWS conspiratorial paranoia.

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By: James on November 6, 2011
at 7:59 AM
the 15 gop job bills

http://www.gop.gov/policy-news/11/10/27/summary-of-jobs-bills-stalled

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By: uawtradesman on November 5, 2011
at 7:05 PM
Poll: OWS least popular among lower income groups

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/poll-ows-least-popular-among-lower-income-groups

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By: uawtradesman on November 5, 2011
at 5:52 PM
GIVE AWAYS TO BIG POLLUTERS also known as The 15 GOP Jobs Bills,
If you want to drink water that catches fire or breathe air that makes you sick – you might like the GOP Jobs bills.

http://www.care2.com/causes/spicey-the-orphaned-starling-family-and-their-dogs-watch-over-him.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 5, 2011
at 5:42 AM
Even Bill Clinton is slamming Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/bill-clinton-book-back-to-work_n_1076136.html?ncid=webmail10

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By: Anonymous on November 4, 2011
at 2:10 PM
I report, President Obama said God wants the jobs bill passed. Wasn’t he using God’s name to benefit himself?

Don’t worry too much about what you can’t change. Greenhouse emissions may be up, but the earth’s temperature has stabilized. Therefore, other factors also influence our climate. If green house gasses were directly at fault, our temperature would also have risen at a comparable rate. I agree they are a potential serious problem.Co2 also contributes to acidification of the ocean.

Emissions are increasing because the world is getting richer. China and India, for example have a growing upper and middle class with the same wants and desires as we. Co2 is a problem, but so far the only solutions would consign billions of people to potential starvation and extreme poverty.

All nations should create a fund to encourage inventors and entrepeneurs to develop new methods of extracting and using energy. The process is already happening, with more efficient batteries and better auto gas mileage. However, we need more than top down plans which do little more than sap economies and redistribute incomes. A world fund would be the equivalent of the space program or the Manhatten Project.

As Earth’s temperature is not directly related to green house gases, neither is the employment directly related to government activity. The unemployment rate fell by .1% without the jobs bill.

We already established that Obama’s jobs bill is a temporary fix to improve his re election chances. Most of the jobs would last until the government money ran out. More debt and taxes would make it even harder for private enterprise to create enough wealth for more sustainable employment. This is warmed over stimulus. Republicans have passed job legislation which is being blocked in the Senate.

Our legislators were elected according to general principals their constituents believed were important. Their job is to follow the guidelines without slavishly locking themselves into ideology. Republicans and some Democrats know our economy is in peril, and they face a choice. Is it better to follow political expediency and vote for a disaster, though it might win re election, or should they vote for what they believe is the responsible choice even if they might be sent home?

A Russian group, Splean sang “There is No Way Out.” They may be right.

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By: James on November 4, 2011
at 9:48 AM
IN GOD WE TRUST, instead of JOBS, JOBS, JOBS??? Let us also throw in the Baseball Hall of Fame trinkets – important stuff instead of JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!

http://rackjite.com/archives/8492-Jon-Stewart-on-silly-House-bill-IN-GOD-WE-TRUST.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 4, 2011
at 8:53 AM
I report, could you explain something to me? You say out one side of your mouth that the Republicans are losing faith in their Congressmen because they are going against their wishes. Then out of the other side of your mouth you say they are a puppet of the Tea Party. So which is it?

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By: Anonymous on November 4, 2011
at 8:26 AM
Oh Boy, Recent Carbon readings are worse than projections!!! Yikes!!! I wonder if Climate Change Deniers are wrong!! James, Tell me not to worry please.

The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

“The more we talk about the need to control emissions, the more they are growing,” said John Reilly, co-director of MIT’s Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change.

http://www.americablog.com/2011/11/another-large-jump-in-carbon-dioxide.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 4, 2011
at 8:23 AM
It is crazy people like you on the left I Report that make it so I could never vote for a Democrat.

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By: Anonymous on November 4, 2011
at 8:03 AM
I notice Republican Congressmen and Representatives are losing faith with the voters because they are voting against the wishes of the electorate.
Dems have risen while the Republicans remain in the toilet and not moving.

I kind of think voting against the JOBS, JOBS, JOBS bills put forth by the President will come back to bite them in the butt.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 4, 2011
at 7:40 AM
Barry Goldwater has some words to the political wise!
On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “A,” “B,” “C” and “D.” Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/barry-goldwater-tried-to-warn-us-but.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 4, 2011
at 7:31 AM
A FOX hunt starts Nov. 5, 2011. Poor Rupert… Oh My

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/there-is-storm-brewing-for-fox-news.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 4, 2011
at 7:24 AM
OWS is certainly moving forward, but not in the public esteem. Ask the people who have lost business or suffered damage from those squatters. OWS only appeals to a niche market once people learn the truth. Right Wingers ought not waste their time. OWS is doing it to themselves.

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By: James on November 4, 2011
at 6:17 AM
Why the Right Wing Propaganda has failed! The OWS movement is moving forward.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152935/4_reasons_the_right-wing_propaganda_machine_has_failed_to_destroy_ows?page=2

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 4, 2011
at 4:51 AM
Whatever Noah, please continue to think that everyone is out to get you for whatever reason. It’s highly entertaining.

Anon 11:02

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By: Anonymous on November 3, 2011
at 11:33 PM
HEHEHEHEHE
occupy portland

One Percent-er’ Michael Moore Ignores Questions About His $50 Million Net Worth At #OccupyPortland

http://www.breitbart.tv/one-percent-er-michael-moore-ignores-questions-about-his-50-million-net-worth-at-occupyportland/

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By: uawtradesman on November 3, 2011
at 7:45 PM
Poor anon 11:02AM .

I’m getting the better of you aren’t I? So are the others. Personal attacks are all you have now, and they aren’t even very creative. Heck, your case is so weak, you would feel like the ficticious special ed student if your self awareness matched our dog’s.

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By: James on November 3, 2011
at 1:47 PM
You want Republicans to help the President? If the answer is yes you better support the Republicans now.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47295

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By: Anonymous on November 3, 2011
at 1:28 PM
Sorry Anonymous11:51. I didn’t mean to take that distinction away from you.

Anon 11:02

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By: Anonymous on November 3, 2011
at 1:06 PM
11:02 has my vote for the worst/most childish post I have seen on this blog to date. I will never understand the Liberal need to continually attack strangers personally.

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By: Anonymous on November 3, 2011
at 11:51 AM
When I was in forth grade, long before they had special education classes, there was a kid named James in my class. When I was in grade five, James was still in grade four. When I was in grade six, James was still in grade four. When I graduated from high school, James was still in the fourth grade.
Whenever James posts on this site, I always think back to the fourth grade.

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By: Anonymous on November 3, 2011
at 11:02 AM
Sad how isolated and naive our President is. So completely out of touch.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-says-we%e2%80%99re-better-off-with-my-policies-boehner-replies-are-you-kidding-me/

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By: Anonymous on November 3, 2011
at 10:43 AM
about time

OCCUPY OBAMA

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Obama-2012/304454662913308

While an Occupy Obama movement would be very unlikely to prevent his renomination, it could make him and his Party’s shortcomings a front and center issue.

http://current.com/community/93511699_occupy-obama-how-to-turn-up-the-heat-on-democrats.htm

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By: uawtradesman on November 3, 2011
at 9:20 AM
Jon is not trying to help as you know. It is a plot to take down the front runner, not a racist plot.

Obama with his pre political law suit, the Democrats and their forcing banks to make risky loans started our downward slide, and the financial institutions profited from it until the ponzi scheme failed.

Teachers’ fire fighters’ and police pensions and health benefits are helping sink the economy now.

My comments are as simplistic as yours and are more accurate.

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By: James on November 3, 2011
at 9:14 AM
This cartoon says it all?

2002 Enron – deregulation allowed it, 2008 – Wall Street greed and DE-REGULATION sank the economy, 2010 – BP OIL SPILL – DE- REGULATION and lack of oversight allowed the disaster:
PROBLEM: Big Government according to the Republicans and Tea Party!!

Teachers, Fire Fighters and Police: THEY SANK THE ECONOMY DURING THE GW BUSH YEARS????

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 3, 2011
at 8:34 AM
Oh My, Time to turn me in again for Racism!!

Herman Cain says it is a racist plot to discredit him. Jon Stewart gets to the bottom of it for us though. Herb: Jon is just trying to help.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-2-2011/indecision-2012—grope-?xrs=synd_facebook

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 3, 2011
at 8:07 AM
It would appear Teachers are making more than their fair share. Get our your signs, its time for justice and to take away those undeserved earnings.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-teachers-are-getting-paid-more-than-their-fair-share/

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By: Anonymous on November 3, 2011
at 7:51 AM
Bill Clinton was an accused rapist, and he stayed in office. Anthony Weiner’s indiscretions were on the internet for all to see. Even then, he stayed awhile.

Herman Cain is still twisting in the wind and so far, he is hurting himself more than the charges. We still don’t know enough details to understand how serious the charges are. All we do know is that Herman has done a horrible job of damage control, and it is good we are finding out now.

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By: James on November 3, 2011
at 6:01 AM
Another racist rant! Time to turn me in again!!!!

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/republicans-attempt-to-play-race-card.html
Herman Cain is in trouble because of a $30,000 payoff. Anthony Weiner resigned after a few picures – what will Herb do?
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bernard-goldberg-twists-himself-knots-clai

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 3, 2011
at 5:26 AM
WTF….
FANNIE MAY exec’s snag millions in bonuses….top 10 execs split 12 million…..

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By: uawtradesman on November 2, 2011
at 8:38 PM
Delurkergurl, it takes some time, but it works, even the way I did it.

Your quote was funny.

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By: James on November 2, 2011
at 8:31 PM
HEY I REPORT…
I would like to know who YOU thinks should not pay taxes…..while your at it tell me who should not have to pay for a college education…..while your at it tell me who should pay for remedial math or English while going to college…..I would like your opinion and not links to liberal websites….

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By: uawtradesman on November 2, 2011
at 8:29 PM
Simpson is right. We will have to raise taxes eventually but after or when we cut expenses. We need to understand where to find the money without gutting the job creators’ bank accounts. Our deficit is so large our main focus must be on reducing expenditures.

I suspect we will have to do it soon, or circumstances will do it to us. Austerity will be a killer before better times return.

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By: James on November 2, 2011
at 8:27 PM
“Being immoral doesn’t mean you’re infertile.” What a shame. 😀

Great to see you here Poolman. I mail back the empty envelopes but have never thought of stuffing them. Great idea! I am on the do-not-call and do-not-send lists so I don’t get as much junk mail as I used to, but when I get the chance I’m definitely going to do this.

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By: delurkergurl on November 2, 2011
at 8:21 PM
Oh My!!!! Conservative Republican Allen Simpson told the Republicans on the Super Committee to IGNORE the Grover Norquist Pledge of Never raising taxes. Simpson reminded folks that Reagan raised taxes 11 times FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY. Simpson also said they need to put Country over the Norquist Pledge. (Ouch!!!) They got spanked.

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8602814-super-committee-lectured-over-norquist-ties

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 2, 2011
at 8:00 PM
where is Helen? Are you ill or worse?

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By: Jan Elzig Ward on November 2, 2011
at 3:09 PM
I confuse the two of you Anon. I’m not trying to start a fight.

Poolman, we have traveled this road before. The government pressured banks to give risky loans to the poor so they could become home owners. Obama himself led one of the non -governmental law suits before he became a politician.

The banks who held the loans converted them to derivitifes and other items to unload them on others who did the same. They were playing a financial version of hot potato.

You are right about the banks’ influence over the government and Obama, but my point is the process began with our govrenment and not with the banks. I don’t know if the banks wanted it to happen or not, but the government, not the banks officially instigated the process.

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By: James on November 2, 2011
at 2:11 PM
James, if you are referring to Anonymous at 11:02, I have no problem with truth.

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By: Anonymous on November 2, 2011
at 1:38 PM
LMAO

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/occupy_ball_street_aIoZXVqZ3hU8Zm9oX5aGWM

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By: uawtradesman on November 2, 2011
at 12:58 PM
The speaker is wrong about banks causing our economic problem.Our government did it. The banks merely helped.

Really? The government is run by corporations. Goldman Sachs controls our government. This government is not by the people or for the people. Money has replaced justice almost entirely.

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By: poolman on November 2, 2011
at 12:43 PM
Poolman, I already did that when Republicans and others sent us requests for money. I donated less than the cost of the stamp.

The speaker is wrong about banks causing our economic problem.Our government did it. The banks merely helped.

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By: James on November 2, 2011
at 12:08 PM
Ha Ha!! Anonymous! The truth hurts doesn’t it? Especially when it is usually a stranger to you.

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By: James on November 2, 2011
at 11:44 AM
I love this. 😀 Keep Wall Street occupied.

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By: poolman on November 2, 2011
at 11:42 AM
Go ban yourself.

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By: Anonymous on November 2, 2011
at 11:02 AM
“The OWS is working to change policies…” to persuade the Bank of America to reconsider their $5.00 credit card fee ranks high enough for your top ten dumbest posts list. Paying customers, and other banks deciding not to follow suite, not the OWS made the bank reconsider.

A Democratic strategist said the jobs bill was intended to split Republicans and to create an issue for the election. You should re read some of our posts and learn from them.

The mayor of New York City said Congress, not bankers are to blame for the mortgage crisis. Congress pushed the banks and others to loan money to people who couldn’t repay their loans. We have been saying that for a long time right here on this message board/ blog.

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By: James on November 2, 2011
at 10:37 AM
What is this oh my crap from I report. I am telling you guys this character is working for someone and exploiting this blog. To any who are interested I will tell you where to post to help get this guy banned.

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By: Anonymous on November 2, 2011
at 10:08 AM
Fukushima – the melted down Nuclear Reactors – have sent hot particles to the US and we can expect higher cancer rates given the new readings. Sounds like it is time to do as the Republicans want and De-Regulate the Nuclear Industry. (I also heard of some problems at a Nuclear plant in CA recently.) Speaking of De-Regulation, HOW ABOUT DE-REGULATE GULF OIL DRILLING? 30+ Dolphins dieing and washed to shore with Corexit in their system can be overlooked.

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/fukushima-hot-particles-hit-u-s-health-right-violation-video?CID=examiner_alerts_article
West Coast, Seattle, Boston hot spots: Cancer to dramatically increase yet public kept in dark

On Monday, it was confirmed that the major human right to health is being violated in the United States by the public not being advised that Fukushima hot particles contaminated the United States and that West Coast cancer are due to surge, based on scientific analysis by Scientist Marco Kaltofen of Worchester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) of radioactive isotopic releases from Fukushima who presented his findings at the American Public Health Association (APHA) annual meeting in Washington DC as reported by nuclear expert Arnie Gundersen.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 2, 2011
at 8:46 AM
Bank of America is reconsidering their $5.00 Debit fee. OWS is working to change policies!!!!! The wealthiest are changing their ways because of protesters??? Oh, My!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/45127563#45127563

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 2, 2011
at 8:23 AM
Bush is was like the marathoner who ran most of the race. Obama is the runner who took the bus so he could finish first.

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By: James on November 2, 2011
at 8:09 AM
Because Bush didn’t do the work to make it happen, Obama had to do all of it for him, duh!

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By: Anonymous on November 2, 2011
at 7:30 AM
HEY…I REPORT…..
“Today we have a President who actually got Bin Laden, a bunch of other high value terrorists, led during a carefully orchestrated transition of power in Egypt, and was instrumental in the overthrow, capture and subsequent killing of both Ghadaffi and his heir Motassim. In fact, the other day Obama announced that the Iraq War would end by the end of this year! Wow! I mean, if that is not “keeping us safe” then I don’t know what is.”

good thing Obama is carrying on with the Bush doctrine…..
so why are the Dems mad at him???????

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By: uawtradesman on November 1, 2011
at 4:35 PM
They are no different than drug dealers on the street. Here, try a snort of this..its free, here, smoke some of this, its free. Here, take some food stamps, take some government money, you don’t have to pay it back..its free. And then your hooked, dependent, and beholden to the hand that feeds you. You are bought and paid for. The chains that once bound the slaves were once real, now instead of steel they are made of welfare checks and other government handouts. End of the day, your still a slave. Let your Conservative brothers free you from the Liberal chains that bind you.

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By: Anonymous on November 1, 2011
at 3:18 PM
I think it’s terrible that I Report won’t vote for Cain because he’s black…..the downfall of the Democratic Party will happen when the minorities realize just how racist the party is….

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By: uawtradesman on November 1, 2011
at 11:05 AM
I Report, who do you work for that pays you to do these daily vomiting of slanted posts?

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By: Anonymous on November 1, 2011
at 10:13 AM
Rick Perry’s speech in NH last week reminds me of the current Republican Party. They swear they are winning and are all gleeful and wonderful when in fact, they are looking more and more foolish. The more they talk, they crazier they look. Taking rights away from women and making the middle class pay more while the Republicans want to make the 1% and Corporations KINGS OF THE USA.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jon-stewart-explains-what-happened-rick-pe

After the opening part of his segment where Jon Stewart gave us an overview of Herman Cain’s recent campaign meltdown and how that means, in his words, that Mitt Romney is “the luckiest Motherfudger on Earth”, Stewart explained just what he thinks happened to Rick Perry during his bizarre speech in New Hampshire this past weekend.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 1, 2011
at 9:08 AM
The Destruction Of The Republican Party

OK, the 2012 election will be a watershed, not because Barack Obama will win re-election, but because we will witness the destruction of the Republican party as we know it.

http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/2011/10/destruction-of-republican-party.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on November 1, 2011
at 8:23 AM
I typed wrong. I should have written the present suggested solutions would only reduce the rate of temperature climb by .9 degree, not that the rate would be .9 degree.

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By: James on November 1, 2011
at 7:19 AM
I read though yesterdays and todays posting and I see no inference to Anon 3:43 am making any comment about uaw at all, let alone being Liberal. Could you point that one out anon 4:53?

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By: Anonymous on November 1, 2011
at 6:33 AM
Me thinks anon 4:53 needs one more pot of coffee b4 posting in the morning, this one made no sense.

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By: Anonymous on November 1, 2011
at 5:15 AM
Noah lashes out irrationally, desperate to land punches as an heroic liberal attacking machine! His desperation shows as he even calls UAW a liberal. It’s a swing and a miss! Whiff! He spins and crashes lamely to the ground. The crowd roars with laughter! Thanks, tool!

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By: Anonymous on November 1, 2011
at 4:53 AM
Says Anon whining about Anon. I understand now. As a Liberal your desire to attack the individual is hindered by not having a name to label with your personal attack on the poster while ignoring their thoughts completely. You have uncovered my reason for using Anon, congratulations. It warms my heart that you are frustrated and I have defeated a tried and true Liberal tactic. Guess you might actually have to engage the idea rather than making judgement calls on strangers.

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By: Anonymous on November 1, 2011
at 3:43 AM
I think Anon is bipolar……flip to the right and then flip to the left and then repeat…..

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By: uawtradesman on October 31, 2011
at 10:47 PM
I report is a single individual and once a message is posted it is open for comments directed at the author. Any number of people use the anonymous label when posting but it also harbors cowards who may not always be identified or may already have been kicked off because of obnoxious behavior.

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By: Anonymous on October 31, 2011
at 9:01 PM
One more thing, if we commit ourselves to all of the suggested stringent solutions while most of the world goes its own way, the rate of temperature climb would be about .9 degree.

Sulfates may have a cooling effect. Lets learn to live with acid rain.

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By: James on October 31, 2011
at 3:53 PM
How is Anonymous any more anon than I report? Neither tells me more about the person posting than the other. But hey, way to contribute in Liberal fashion, ie when you lack the intelligence to contribute, attack the poster.

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By: Anonymous on October 31, 2011
at 11:59 AM
The hypocrisy of the anonymous nazi accusing juneaujoe of hiding behind the label “I Report” is hysterically funny.
And UAW’s posts are not funny, simply obnoxious.

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By: Anonymous on October 31, 2011
at 11:23 AM
eat radishes….they make you burp……..if you fart the EPA will try to fine you…..
Anon…you should turn in I Report to the EPA…..

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By: uawtradesman on October 31, 2011
at 10:47 AM
Let us assume for a moment climate change is real. With 3rd world countries and China growing more and more industrial with very little in the way of regulations now or in the future, it is an impossible task to try and reign in green house gases. There is nothing we can offer these countries to compel them to comply.

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By: Anonymous on October 31, 2011
at 9:33 AM
Climate Change: Too Late?

http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2011/10/some-things-just-get-worse.html

The bad news just got worse: A new study finds that reining in greenhouse gas emissions in time to avert serious changes to Earth’s climate will be at best extremely difficult. Current goals for reducing emissions fall far short of what would be needed to keep warming below dangerous levels, the study suggests. To succeed, we would most likely have to reverse the rise in emissions immediately and follow through with steep reductions through the century. Starting later would be far more expensive and require unproven technology.

“The alarming thing is very few scenarios give the kind of future we want,” says climate scientist Neil Edwards of The Open University in Milton Keynes, U.K. Both he and Rogelj emphasize the uncertainties inherent in the modeling, especially on the social and technological side, but the message seems clear to Edwards: “What we need is at the cutting edge. We need to be as innovative as we can be in every way.” And even then, success is far from guaranteed.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 31, 2011
at 8:51 AM
I always wondered why they called it the Washington Monument, when it is clearly intended for Clinton

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By: Anonymous on October 31, 2011
at 8:04 AM
Herman Cain and sexual impropriety….
brings up other memories…
maybe he should run as a Dem……

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By: uawtradesman on October 31, 2011
at 7:02 AM
I report, you have embarrassed yourself several times by jumping to conclusions. One is the OWS and another is Dr. Muller’s climate research.

Here is a pearl of wisdom about Cain and the two women. Wait before you leap. We still don’t know the facts. The truth will come out in a few days.

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By: James on October 31, 2011
at 6:02 AM
Best of Luck I Report, I am bullet proof.

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By: Anonymous on October 30, 2011
at 9:10 PM
You will find a lot of Democrats who are upset with President Obama for caving on various things. When you compare President Obama to the Republican contenders though: President Obama is so much better.

Poor Herb Cain, Palin’s friend, is now accused of sexually suggestive comments to a couple of women who got paid money to stay silent. Our friend Herb would not make any comment which makes him look guilty.
Herman clams up when the women are mentioned??? What is up??

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/negative-hits-keep-on-coming-for-herman.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 8:41 PM
Juneau Joe: As someone who had enjoyed your posts in the past, I’m disappointed to learn that you are the person who has contributed to the real deterioration of this blog, and the loss of people who used to post here. You’ve ignored people’s repeated requests that you stop the constant posting of links. You’ve acted like a self-indulgent child. I don’t believe you’ve accomplished one thing that could be considered constructive.

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By: Donna on October 30, 2011
at 8:37 PM
here’s another one….

Senate Democrats Angry Over Obama ‘Sellout’

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/senate_democrats_angry_over_obama_sell_out_20110721/

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 7:21 PM
Anon: I am looking forward to discussions with WordPress. My requests will be: Who made the complaint? If it was anonymous. I will insist that you tell me which anonymous posts were yours, since we have multiple Anons here.
It is only fair that I get to check out your writings – just being fair to me. After I read your stuff, then I can start making my case against you or a rebuttal to your charges or both. I am kind of looking forward to it actually.

Just read this and found it interesting.
The former CEO of Lehman Brothers, Dick Fuld was paid ONE HALF BILLION dollars for taking risks with other people’s money. He had no stake in the game. What Fuld did is something like if you were entrusted with a lot of other people’s savings and spent a couple of years betting it at the casino – and taking a share out of any winnings. When the bets go sour, you walk away with what you took out. This is a radically new phenomenon – a paid professional manager, a bureaucrat adept at playing office politics, who rises to the top of a huge bureaucracy and then scoops up an enormous fortune with not only no stake in the business, but no liability for reckless or negligent work. An entrepreneur risks her time, her labor, her own money. A plumber who does a bad job can be sued for damages. But Fuld had no stakes in the game and the laws imposed no penalty. When the GOP candidates say they want to reduce regulation on Wall Street, what they mean is that they want to get rid of the new Dodd-Frank bill and its clawback provisions. The law says that if you run a financial company into the ground so badly that the government has to step in, the government can force you to return what you paid yourself. Many “liberals” attack Dodd-Frank as toothless – but there are reasons that GOP crony-capitalists hate it. And one of those is that it restores some of the risk to the risk/reward tradeoff for Wall Street OPM wizards.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/10/dick-fuld-and-gopconservative-attack-on.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 7:17 PM
HEY I REPORT…….
I remember 2001-2008……I also remember 2009 -now…..do you…..

Democrats running like mad from Obama’s side

http://www.newsleader.com/article/20111026/OPINION03/110260313/Democrats-running-like-mad-from-Obama-s-side

Democrats mad over broken promises

“They hoped to see an abject and abrupt withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq within weeks of the Obama inauguration. They hoped to see a beginning of withdrawal from Afghanistan not in July 2011, but in the early months of 2009. They hoped to see the detention facility at Guantanamo closed and shuttered and the detainees tried in civilian courts or freed to regale the media with tales of torture.”

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2010/10/09/democrats-mad-over-broken-promises.html

Kind of starting to like this guy……maybe he’ll run as a republican…..

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 7:17 PM
You actually made my day!!! Thanks!! Here is another one to turn in. It is talking about racism and Rick Perry. Add this one to your list.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/roger-simon-being-little-bit-racist-helps-go

Politico’s Roger Simon says that Republican presidential Rick Perry’s recent embrace of birtherism amounts to a racist “dog whistle.”

“It’s not a ‘fun’ issue to poke somebody on,” Simon told CNN’s Howard Kurtz Sunday. “It is more than a little bit racist. Not everyone who believes it is a racist. It grew out of the belief that a black man could not be legitimately elected to the president of the United States.”

He continued: “Now, why would Perry use that in the primaries instead of saving it for the general when he’s running against President Obama? Well, it’s because being extreme, perhaps, and a little bit racist, perhaps, gives you good bona fides in a Republican primary. It shows them that you are on the same side as they are.”

“So, it’s a bit of a dog whistle?” Kurtz asked.

“Absolutely,” Simon replied.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 5:06 PM
Well thats what I did. I took dates and times from items you said i found to be racial slurs, racial innuendo, and registered based on that…took 30min of digging but I got a nice selection.

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By: Anonymous on October 30, 2011
at 4:39 PM
How Funny!!! You need to turn me in to Helen or Mathew actually. They are expecting your complaint. I don’t think it will go very far though. WordPress is concerned about obscene stuff actually.

http://takemycountryback.com/obama-keeping-safe/

Do you remember a long time ago, way back in the 2001′s-2008′s when Republicans kept telling us they were “keeping us safe?” C’mon. You remember. That President, what’s his name again? It’s been so long I forgot. Something like Grass, or Shrub? Bush! That’s it! President Bush. Ring any bells? If not, I understand. Let me remind you about his safety record:
Rudy Giuliani: “Bush Kept Us Safe Everyday He Was President!”
Today we have a President who actually got Bin Laden, a bunch of other high value terrorists, led during a carefully orchestrated transition of power in Egypt, and was instrumental in the overthrow, capture and subsequent killing of both Ghadaffi and his heir Motassim. In fact, the other day Obama announced that the Iraq War would end by the end of this year! Wow! I mean, if that is not “keeping us safe” then I don’t know what is.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 4:36 PM
Think I’ve found a way to turn the troll off. Registered a complaint with WordPress on I Report, should at least turn him off for me.

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By: Anonymous on October 30, 2011
at 3:57 PM
WALL STREET AND GW BUSH CRASHED the economy! I guess I did not give credit to Wall Street and their greed. Sorry!

Here is Herman Cain, Talking about his 9.9.9 or 9.0.9 or 9.1.1 or something important.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/its-about-time-herman-cain-gets-bad-lip.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 3:28 PM
Bush did not crash the economy, and you know it.

The mayors, many of them Democrats are evicting the squatters because they are becoming an expensive public nuisance. As I said before the leaders want something to happen to their clueless ground troops to create another Kent State uproar. So far much of the press ignores rapes and racism. They don’t want handouts? That is a load of chicken manure. Read some of the comments.

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By: James on October 30, 2011
at 3:13 PM
LEST WE FORGET: GW BUSH CRASHED THE ECONOMY!!!

The Abacus case, in which Goldman helped a hedge fund guy named John Paulson beat a pair of European banks for a billion dollars, tells you everything you need to know about the difference between our two criminal justice systems. The settlement was $550 million — just over half of the damage.

Can anyone imagine a common thief being caught by police and sentenced to pay back half of what he took? Just one low-ranking individual in that case was charged (case pending), and no individual had to reach into his pocket to help cover the fine. The settlement Goldman paid to to the government was about 1/24th of what Goldman received from the government just in the AIG bailout. And that was the toughest “punishment” the government dished out to a bank in the wake of 2008.

The point being: we have a massive police force in America that outside of lower Manhattan prosecutes crime and imprisons citizens with record-setting, factory-level efficiency, eclipsing the incarceration rates of most of history’s more notorious police states and communist countries.

But the bankers on Wall Street don’t live in that heavily-policed country. There are maybe 1000 SEC agents policing that sector of the economy, plus a handful of FBI agents. There are nearly that many police officers stationed around the polite crowd at Zucotti park.

These inequities are what drive the OWS protests. People don’t want handouts. It’s not a class uprising and they don’t want civil war — they want just the opposite. They want everyone to live in the same country, and live by the same rules. It’s amazing that some people think that that’s asking a lot.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/owss-beef-wall-street-isnt-winning-its-cheating-20111025#ixzz1cIOms1mD

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/owss-beef-wall-street-isnt-winning-its-cheating-20111025

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 1:40 PM
Let us put to rest any doubt, in the words of one of your own Democrats, the effects of Obama and his policies.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/24/wynn_im_frightened_to_death_about_the_future_of_business.html#.TqbPCT655SM.facebook

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By: Anonymous on October 30, 2011
at 1:21 PM
MEETING VIOLENCE WITH NON-VIOLENCE: Why the OWS movement will Succeed (This is an excellent read!)

“The crackdown on Occupy movements by mayors and police forces around the country means only one thing: its getting somewhere.”

http://www.nationofchange.org/meeting-violence-nonviolence-why-occupy-movement-will-succeed-1319895101#.Tq2WQxThrNw.twitter

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 1:20 PM
Again I call for I Report, You Decide to be removed. He is exploiting the blog for what I am sure is a nefarious purpose.

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By: Anonymous on October 30, 2011
at 1:04 PM
Great Funnies!!!!! DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE A RIGHT WINGER THOUGH. Super well done!!!!!!

http://brainsandeggs.blogspot.com/2011/10/sunday-choose-funnies.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 12:32 PM
HEY I REPORT….
You apparently don’t like Perry so which one of the Republicans do you like and which one are you going to vote for in the primaries…

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 12:28 PM
Correct me if I am wrong please.

YOU ARE WRONG……

how’s that….

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 12:18 PM
Rick Perry is for State’s Rights until the discussion turns to women controlling their bodies, planned parenthood or Gay Rights. STATE RIGHTS FOR STATES except for:

Psssssstttt, Heads Up, It’s Just Talk
October 30, 2011

You know how Rick Perry believes in state’s rights and how each state should be allowed to make their own rules?

Well, that’s true until it’s rules that Perry doesn’t like. He was in New Hampshire this week spouting off about his two favorite subjects – gay marriage and abortion. Now, it seems to me that the more gay marriages you allow, the fewer abortions you get, so Perry ought to love that New Hampshire legalized gay marriage in 2009. But, noooo …..

And it also seems to me that Planned Parenthood, where they distribute birth control, also would be high on Perry’s list. But, noooo …..

“Unfortunately this current administration has since provided one million dollars in federal grant money to Planned Parenthood in direct conflict with this state’s policies. And the bottom-line is this: If you want to stop Washington’s many violations of the 10th Amendment … then we must make President Obama a one-term president,” Perry said.

So, Perry will not rest until New Hampshire becomes just like Texas.

NOTE TO NEW HAMPSHIRE: Dumb down your schools, increase your teen pregnancy rate, make sure half your population has no health insurance, and have the second highest high school drop out rate in the nation. Rick Perry is coming and I know you want to make him feel at home!

Thanks to Sharon for the heads-up.
http://juanitajean.com/

Come to think of it. Perry speaks for all Republican Candidates who are running for President. Correct me if I am wrong please.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 12:01 PM
Here is the plight of a young family just trying to pay their bills in Ohio. They and people in our nation in similar situations are the reason OWS is needed and will force changes. It is not right that the 1% wealthiest have run away with the wealth and taken away the prosperity from the dwindling middle class.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152853/ohio%3A_ground_zero_for_conservatives%27_soul_crushing_agenda?akid=7790.294211.qxhNKP&rd=1&t=5

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 11:46 AM
You go uawtradesman!!

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By: James on October 30, 2011
at 11:16 AM
I report, you cited a source which claimed a global warming skeptic had attempted to prove the global warmists were wrong, but his research changed his mind. Warmists crowed that at last the science was settled.

A Charleston Daily Mail blogger, Don Surber did a little google search and discovered that Berkley Professor Robert Muller was lying when he claimed to be a skeptic. He has believed in human-caused global warming since the early 1980’s.

Now, the UK Daily Mail contends that the results obtained by the prof’s Best (Berkeley Earth Surface Temperatures) project team showed that global warming “has stopped.”

Prof Judith Curry is the second named co-author of the BEST Project’s four research papers. She said the research data show that there has been no increase in world temperature since the end of the nineties. A new analysis the Mail obtained confirmed the conclusion.

Muller said his group only studied land temperatures and that the ocean reacts more slowly to change. The new study obtained by the Daily Mail (HadCrut3data) measured both land and sea temperatures.

So to the leftists who cheered that the global warming debate was settled, i TOLD YOU SO!! The question is still not settled.

One thing you are overlooking in the income disparity issue is as I mentioned before–the inability of our under educated workers to compete with better educated and under paid foreign workers. Hosts of a financial show on KFAB, Omaha and panelists of the McLaughin Group mentioned the same thing.

The radio hosts said a host of regulations and taxes led companies who were able to send their jobs overseas. Now that foreign workers’ wages are approaching domestic levels, a new movement is beginning. Reshoreing will bring workers back home again as it becomes more expensive to conduct business in other countries. The process will accelerate if we remove restrictive regulations.

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By: James on October 30, 2011
at 11:13 AM
HEY I REPORT…

Want to know where all the money went that could be putting people back to work or keeping U.S. manufacturing industries competitive?

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 11:02 AM
Want to know where all the money went that could be putting people back to work or keeping U.S. manufacturing industries competitive?

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/financial-sector-helps-barack-obama.html

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 10:56 AM
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/index.php

Total for Education: $69,937,131

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 10:35 AM
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/index.php

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 10:32 AM
lawyers/law firms: $24,000,000

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By: uawtradesman on October 30, 2011
at 10:30 AM
War Contracting = Big Bucks = Our money used to lobby congress and keep wars going = makes them money

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/10/27/meet-the-0-01-percent-war-profiteers/

Disgusted by the overwhelming corporate influence in Congress? Look no further than the big military contractor companies, whose flagship companies spend enough on lobbying to dwarf even financial sector titans.

War Industry Lobbying Expenditures for 2010

Lockheed Martin: $12.7 million.
Northrop Grumman: $15.7 million.
Boeing: $17.89 million.

The war industry gets away with blowing our money on job-killing spending because it can bend Congress to its whim. In the process, the industry is like a vacuum sucking up brain power and engineering resources that could and would establish and grow entirely new wholesome industries. It’s no surprise that Americans confront a 9.1% unemployment rate and an under-employment rate flirting with 20 percent this year.

Want to know where all the money went that could be putting people back to work or keeping U.S. manufacturing industries competitive? The war industry CEOs dumped lobbying cash on Congress and diverted all that wealth to their private bank accounts.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 8:42 AM
Wage inequality – some good points to consider.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/hayes-we-will-know-ows-working-when-even-r

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 30, 2011
at 8:27 AM
Once again, I report, I explained the inequality on October 27.

The economic inequality did not cause the great recession. The housing bubble burst, and bad loans changed into exotic financial packages which spread around the world crashed like lead balloons.That’s what caused the recession. Many of the culprits were Democratic allies including those cozying up with Obama.

The Depression Democrats may have given the country new hope, but they failed to end the depression. The depression didn’t end until after WW11. One of Roosevelt’s economic advisers had admitted they failed.

You talk of major public works projects like the TVA or Hoover Dam. Do you have any concept of how long it would take to build such projects now? With all of the environmental regulations and other red tape, we can’t even build a new oil refinery without years of work. Many of those road blocks were created by Democrats.

And as Reagan would say “there you go again” with the favoring the rich meme again when we have already established the issue is more complex than simple talking points.

Seriously, are you all right? Your apparent short-term memory worries me. You repeat yourself the way my 98-year old aunt did.

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By: James on October 29, 2011
at 7:16 PM
I report, I mentioned this before. Those 370,000 or so jobs lost due to Republican imposed government spending cuts were net wealth consumers, not creators. Their salaries and pensions were the result of the government’s taking money from “me” to redistribute to others.

We can no longer afford to pay people who are draining economic resources. Its true they recirculate money through economy, but again, they represent a net drain on our resources. We need to let the economy create new wealth and self-sustaining jobs. Only new wealth will rescue us from the jam we are in.

Study problems states like Illinois or California are having with a bloated work force and unfunded pensions. Look at what is happening in Europe. Their present is our future.

My wife taught school for nearly forty years, and I know law enforcement officers. Their jobs are important, but my taxes shouldn’t be paying a teacher’s salary in New York and funding a pension fund which might be better than mine.

Life will be nasty for people our spending cuts set adrift, and it might even set off another recession, but it is like triage. One makes hard decisions to let the few “die” to save the majority.

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By: James on October 29, 2011
at 6:59 PM
OWS is positively changing what people are looking up on the internet.

the vast inequality of wealth and income in the country. This inequality, which grows worse with each passing week since Congress has done nothing about it, was the primary cause of this Great Recession (just like a previous and very similar gap caused the Great Depression).

But there is a big difference between the previous gap causing the Great Depression, and the current gap causing the Great Recession. The previous gap was caused by the Republican Party favoring the rich and the coporations. But when the Democrats got into power they changed the economic policies, put people back to work (using WPA and CCC), created the Social Security system, and gave the country new hope.

But things were different this time. After the Republicans went back to their old ways of favoring the rich and the corporations, causing the current economic mess and the loss of millions of jobs, the people again put the Democrats back in power in 2008. But this time nothing happened. It turns out that the rich and corporations had gotten smarter — instead of just buying the Republican politicians, they also bought a passel of Democratic politicians (the blue dogs). And the Republicans combined with the blue dogs were powerful enough to prevent any economic changes or job creation.

http://jobsanger.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-is-having-positive.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 6:52 PM
hey I Report….

the Tea Party put some of their candidates in instead of the party backed candidates….when are the OWS’s going to do that……yes the people that are just using the liberals…..
10 of the richest congresspeople’s(?) out of the top13 are democrats…..28 out of 50 are dems…….lets bend those 1%’s over and Barney Frank ’em……and we can’t even throw them in jail for insider trading…..why doesn’t Helen talk about that……

http://www.rollcall.com/features/Guide-to-Congress_2010/guide/-49892-1.html

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By: uawtradesman on October 29, 2011
at 2:52 PM
I always suspected I Report was in secret a Tea Party supporter. Glad to see those suspicions confirmed.

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By: Anonymous on October 29, 2011
at 2:23 PM
UAW: TeaParty should definitely be supporting and showing up at OWS gatherings. The 99% are fighting for tax fairness and a jobs program so everyone can live the American Dream. The 1% have robbed us blind and it is time to improve things for middle America.

Update on the super committee budget talks. Dems say tax increases and cuts. This makes sense to me. I also think we should stop a few wars too.

Republicans say: Program Cuts and tax cuts will raise the needed revenue.
We tried that for 10+ years and dug a bigger and bigger hole.

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/gop-debt-panel-tax-cuts-magically-increase-revenue

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 2:22 PM
hey I Report….when you wrote…..

“I stand with the 99% because I stand for the American way. This is not a way of laziness or sloth, this is a way that works hard but believes firmly in the limits of hard work. This is a way that believes in a good solid eight-hour day followed by a good solid eight hours of doing the other business of life: raising kids, reading a book, cooking a meal at home, watching trashy TV, keeping up on the events of your world, running in the rain, caring for your ill or your young, doing whatever it is that you do. And then, getting a good solid eight hours of sleep.”

When did you join the Tea Party…..

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By: uawtradesman on October 29, 2011
at 2:05 PM
I met one of the men who had his life saved in VietNam by John Kerry. He said Kerry was a true hero. It sure didn’t mean much once the right wing funded the Swift Boat crap. (He was also with Kerry when Kerry got shot in the butt. He got shot because they were crawling out of a weed field and Kerry was so tall that his butt was above the weed cover.,)

This link is about the job losses which would happen with the GOP job plan. The GOP plan would CUT 370 THOUSAND JOBS! That will certainly help the economy, the middle class and poor. (Sadly, I am not smart enough to figure out how this is good. I am sure you will tell me.)

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/27/355181/report-house-gops-budget-cuts-370k-jobs/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 1:40 PM
You don’t have to. One of the e friends I met on another forum and met personally said she knows Paul Wofowitz. She said he is a weeny.

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By: James on October 29, 2011
at 12:46 PM
Should Paul Wolfowitz be planning strategy in Afghanistan? He screwed up so bad getting us bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq, (along with Rumsfeld, Cheney and GW Bush afterall) the answer is easy. HELL NO!
Wolfowitx predicted we would only be in Iraq months – WRONG and Iraq would pay for their own reconstruction – WRONG.

I will let Rachel Maddow make the case of why Wolfowitz should having nothing to do with war strategy.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/29/8536971-the-10-years-of-no-no-and-hell-no-youve-been-waiting-for-paging-mr-wolfowitz-and-friends

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 12:42 PM
Annonymous, you may have a point, but I think many left because WE are posting. At least that is what they said. It was the equivalent of whites fleeing the neighborhood as the blacks moved in.

I’m glad you are staying to keep the political yang and yin active.

After i checked to see the latest thinking on why some of my Finnish cousins have slanted eyes, I explored central Europe. We are so lnsular we know little of what is happening in the next state, let alone thousands of miles away.

If you want to hear songs as good as any on American radio, google VIKA music video “I’m Not Alone” (Ukrainian Music, Ukrainian Singer) you tube video

Julia Savicheva-esli v serdce Best Russian Song you tube video

EF Flashmob Helsinki you tube video

Their neighbors have derided Finns and Sami and considered them non-white because some have slanted eyes and other Asian features. However, they have the largest proportion of natural blonds and members of Mensa in the world. Ironic isn’t it?

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By: James on October 29, 2011
at 12:12 PM
JuneauJoe, aka I Report, you missed the point. It is the endless spamming I believe was the central point of the post. I don’t mind what you posts, only that there seems to be no point to it other than to use the blogs popularity to spread a message. There is no debate or discussion or point other than that, and it detracts from the good things on this blog. Matter of fact I think it has destroyed that almost completely, as shown by the lack of participants.

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By: Anonymous on October 29, 2011
at 11:26 AM
THIS IS from A FOX POLL: Oh My!!!

Twenty-nine percent of those polled by Fox said they would be “scared” if Obama were re-elected, 21 said the same about Texas Gov. Rick Perry, 18 for businessman Herman Cain and 14 for former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney.
But not everyone is so afraid. A combined 37 percent said they would be “enthusiastic” and “pleased” if the president were to get a second term, while Romney only saw 21 percent in that group, Cain 23 and Perry 17.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/27/1030641/-Fox-poll-says-Fox-News-is-failing:-Most-Americans-not-scared-of-Obamasreelection?via=blog_1

You don’t like my links, don’t click em!! Seems simple to me.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 10:30 AM
Here is a bit of commentary from the above link: So well said. It is patriotic to pay your fair share of taxes!!! Most Millionaires agree – ARE MCCONELL, CANTER AND BOEHNER LISTENING??? Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!!

I stand with the 99% because I stand for the American way. This is not a way of laziness or sloth, this is a way that works hard but believes firmly in the limits of hard work. This is a way that believes in a good solid eight-hour day followed by a good solid eight hours of doing the other business of life: raising kids, reading a book, cooking a meal at home, watching trashy TV, keeping up on the events of your world, running in the rain, caring for your ill or your young, doing whatever it is that you do. And then, getting a good solid eight hours of sleep. Some call this “European socialism;” the rest of us call this “the American dream.”

I have a choice, and I choose to stand with the 99%. I stand with the 99%, and I am not alone.

Cross-posted from my newly relocated and relaunched blog, America, Love it or Heal It.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 9:55 AM
Juneau Joe you are extrapolating to all from the remarks of a few. I don’t think I report should be banned, nor do I think liberal thought should be sent away. Several liberals have also complained about I report and his incessant links. I have defended him.

I like the set up with few rules.

Maybe Helen and Margaret could get Soros and Kocks into a bidding war for control and retire with a lot of money.

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By: James on October 29, 2011
at 9:46 AM
A person with a 6 figure yearly income if for the 99%. Here is his explanation of why he is for the OWS movement, even though he could be one of the 1 %.

It is well worth reading.
60+ percent of Millionaires are with the OWS movement. They feel tax fairness and putting country first is important for making the United States of America a better place.

http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2011_10_23_archive.html#758368039223795938

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 9:45 AM
Banning liberal views from this site? Kind of funny if you think about it. If you take the time to read what Helen and Margaret post, you would come away thinking they actually Liberal in thought.

So, Right Wingers feel that Left Wing ideas and links should be banned – OK? Can you explain again why non-Right wing thought should be banned again on a liberal blog?

I think you should consider getting a Koch Brothers organization to buy the Margaret and Helen Blog for $50,000 or so and then put you in charge of who can and cannot post. (It might take $500,000.00 actually)

The first person you would have to ban is Helen of course.

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By: JuneauJoe on October 29, 2011
at 9:35 AM
I Report, GE one of Obama’s allies has outsourced jobs. One of the companies Obama guaranteed funding to create green cars has sent workers to Finnland. You have no point. Those companies are not sending workers elsewhere for the fun of it. They are trying to make profits and survive.

Democrats with the exception of the House after the last election have been running the country. Were the OWS more aware, they would be protesting in front of the White House and Congress.

A poll shows 73% of the OWS surveyed disapprove of Obama, and a third have jobs. Most are communists, Greens and other far leftists. The movement may eventually replace “Democrat” as a core political identity for some in much the same way the Tea Party became a sub party. Democrats will be forced to tack to the left and further away from the mainstream. As Jonah Goldberg wrote, the OWS needs a Republican president to really succeed.

Anon, I have no problem with I report. He is now cornered with little new material to send out. “Jobs, Jobs, Jobs”, OWS, “NO NO NO” and a few other shiboleths are all he has left. As we know from this board and other places, many liberals hide a thinly veiled bigotry. I goaded Jean to admit she was a political bigot.

I report’s “those who hate a black president” illustrates the leftists bigotry when all else fails. We must confront it and call it for what it is when it appears. We also know I report is repeating liberal talking points, so his true feelings remain a mystery. Bigotry is ugly. Using it to tear others down is worse.

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By: James on October 29, 2011
at 9:22 AM
You contradict yourself I Report. You have all the time in the world to spam this blog out of existence. Since your arrival this blog probably has lost 60% of its readers and 90% of its posters.

The fact you played the race card tells me exactly the kind of person you are. You have discredited yourself profoundly with that lone statement. You are a poor example of a human being. I am back to a monthly check of this blog as this guy is sure to continue. I hope the hosts are not facing health issues as the reason they are no longer posting. Signing off.

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By: Anonymous on October 29, 2011
at 9:09 AM
This is why OWS is growing AND WILL CONTINUE TO GROW! A 15 Million dollar per year CEO takes 5000 jobs and moves them overseas when they are making record profits. Pretty sad.

Hate to say it guys but I don’t have a bunch of time to waste debating with those who hate a black president. The Republican Party is the PARTY OF NO, NO, NO. The Republican Party needs to come up with a JOBS, JOBS, JOBS plan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45084128#45084128

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 8:35 AM
I Report is not here to discuss anything like others do on a blog. He is here to exploit the popularity of this page to push his Liberal agenda. Many have tried to engage him and he rarely responds. For these reason I think he should be banned. I come on here and when I see a chain of post after post from this guy I just close the page as I already know what he is going to say,as his message hasn’t changed in months. He has been asked over and over again to reform his ways, it is time to act.

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By: Anonymous on October 29, 2011
at 7:43 AM
I Report, refer to 8:22AM October 27. We already covered and explained the income inequality problem, so you don’t need to waste your time on it.

I was out of the country when it happened, but I believe a river in Ohio caught fire in the sixties.

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By: James on October 29, 2011
at 7:17 AM
Fracking and drinkable water – When drinking water catches fire! A problem?

http://crooksandliars.com/tina-dupuy/what-frack-julianna-forlano-explains

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 5:32 AM
The wealth of the top 1% is staggering. The stagnation of the middle class and the poor is now considered the norm. More info on the HUGE GAP between the wealthiest and the middle class.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45055472#45055472

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 29, 2011
at 4:09 AM
Amy Goodman is so naive I could gag. She glossed over the scattered acts of violence and racism which had Tea Parties committed them would have drawn the ire of our reporters. I have yet to hear much of the eliquence she described among the OWS campers.

Chris Hedges made some salient points without the cloying hero worship dripping from Goodman’s mouth. Though I could agree with him at times, he too was not reporting. He was a booster.

Had I not seen what I saw years ago, I might have believed them. Personal memories are more powerful than two reporters’ words.

The movement’s demands have been so vague and open- ended they are almost a Rocharch test to be interpreted according to the taste of the observer.

No one discussed who is pulling the strings. ACORN’s front group , The Working Families Party has been paying people to participate. Journalist Matthews Yadum of the Capital Research Center,(WorldNetDaily) said the protests are calculated to create the illusion of public support for a cause which can generate large profits for their organizers.

ACORN founder Wade Rathke embraces violence and computer hacking as a means of achieving “social justice.” Two billionaires, Herb and Marion Sanders, founders of World Savings Bank, gave ACORN affiliates about $11 million to generate street protests to hurt their competion in subprime mortgage lending.

SEIU board member Stephen Lerner also associated with Occupy Wall street said he wants to bring down the stock market.

I agree in principal what OWS was trying to say, but the money trail leads to those who they should be fighting against. The OWS people are pawns and if the puppet masters succeed in causing a breakdown in the social order they will be the first to be sacrificed.

I have read about revolutionary movements and have personal experience with the sixties and early seventies protests The script is the same. Only the actors are different.

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By: James on October 28, 2011
at 9:02 PM
That video above with Amy Goodman, Chris Hedges and Charlie Rose is an excellent example of journalism regarding the OWS movement. You are missing out of you do not check out all 3 of the videos.

Here is a clip of Herman Cain. Since he is the Republican front runner or flavor of the month as Sarah Palin would say.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bad-lip-reading-soundbite-herman-cain

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 28, 2011
at 8:12 PM
Amy Goodman and Charlie Rose on who are the OWS and what do they stand for? Quite informative. If you take the time to read it, you could learn something.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/amy-goodman-and-chris-hedges-discuss-ows-c

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 28, 2011
at 7:40 PM
I report, did you purposely twist the truth or did you rely on liars for your information?

I did some reading. The police did not shoot a former Marine. A tear gas canister hit an unlawful demonstrator in the head after he disobeyed a police order to disperse. As a former Marine, he should have understood more than anyone there the consequences of disobeying a lawful order.

Scott Olsen was in an uncontrolled environment contending with a superior force with superior weapons.The protesters were throwing objects and otherwise threatening the police. The police were bound to react with even more vigor in such a sceniaro. Olson relied on his emotions instead of accurately assessing the situation. I hope he recovers, but I have no sympathy for him. No one denied him his freedom of speech.

The OWS is not his friend any more than Cindy Sheehan was a friend of the anti-war movement. They were useful tools to be discarded after their usefulness was gone. OWS are looking for a Kent State moment, and those jackals will find a martyr as surely as the anti -war movement found several at Kent State.

If I recall, Scot Olsen made some anti- Marine statements several years ago. He was not an average Marine veteran.

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By: James on October 28, 2011
at 5:36 PM
I should have sourced that comment.

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-in-2009-if-economy-isnt-fixed-in-3-years-there-will-be-a-1-term-proposition/

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By: Anonymous on October 28, 2011
at 12:35 PM
Quote
If I can’t fix the economy in 3 years you can call me Former President Obama.” –Obama 2009.

Let us see if he makes good on this promise.

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By: Anonymous on October 28, 2011
at 12:08 PM
Let the crops rot, I report. Hiring illegals is against the law. California used to have a bracero program where guest workers labored in farm fields and elsewhere. Such a program could be revived. The farmers should advertise in the media. Do most people even know the jobs are available or are they too soft to do some stoop labor? If a farm can’t find labor, let it become automated as grain and livestock farms are.

Marines are excercising their freedom of speech unless they stop someone from expressing his/hers’. Then, they become part of the problem.
Veterans are no more obligated to protect our rights than you are. They fulfilled their oblilgation while they served.

Of course the rich and connected get more opportunities than the rest of us. Do you really think a high school graduate from Lusk, Wyoming or inner city Detroit gets the same breaks as someone from New York City who’s parents graduated and donated money to Harvard or Yale? That’s life as it has always been. Surely you didn’t need a blog to tell you that.

The Minneapolis Fed shows Obama’s policies have given us a recovery curve worse than all post-WW11 recessions.”This president has killed the natural recovery cycle and extended the misery for millions of Americans.”

None of the Republican candidates thrill me, but their saving grace is they are not Barack. I’ll bet Hillary could beat him. I could vote for Hillary.

Some of my Finnish relatives have slanted eyes. I plan to ignore politics for few minutes until I learn the latest thinking on why.

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By: James on October 28, 2011
at 10:31 AM
I answered Helen’s question with James. Then I realized it said bouffant, damn the dyslexia.

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By: Anonymous on October 28, 2011
at 8:48 AM
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR SOME

Interesting stuff. Point being – Top 1% get privileges and opportunities not available to us little people.

http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/karoli/ows-about-justice-not-wealth-or-class

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 28, 2011
at 7:41 AM
Marines are discussing the Marine shot in Oakland. CA at the OWS demonstrations. They are not pleased. America, the land of free speech?
Unless they are talking poorly of Wall Street and the 1% wealthiest THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SPEAK UP OR PROTEST!

http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/lqjx2/how_i_feel_as_a_united_states_marine_about_what/

Next time I hear about how vets fight to protect our rights, I’ll remember the one they shot in the head for actually exercising them.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 28, 2011
at 7:29 AM
Darrel West, director of governance studies at the Brookings Institution said “Democrats are trying to give ownership of
Congress to Republicans because the institution is dysfunctional and not addressing the jobs problem, and this is a way to tie blame to the GOP.”

Washington insiders and those who track politics know that the Congress is divided. But polls taken over the last several years show that many voters are unclear which party runs the House and the Senate.”

Obama had a year of good will and a Congressional majority, but jobs didn’t worry him then.

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By: James on October 28, 2011
at 6:58 AM
Tough new immigration laws are applied and the RESULT is? CROPS ROTTING IN THE FIELD. It seems there are no people to pick the crops.
Oh my!!

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/stephen-colbert-alabamas-migrant-workers-i

Polling and elections: Cain, Perry or Romney will lead the Republicans to victoory?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 28, 2011
at 6:51 AM
Jobs certainly are not a priority of the Obama administration. The Democrats are playing shell games. The president’s recent jobs bill is little more than another stimulus attempt designed to help his political allies.

I question the accuracy of any polls showing a majority of millionaires want their taxes raised. A poll can be weighted and questions tailored for a desired outcome.

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By: James on October 28, 2011
at 6:38 AM
The polls may be right as of today, and it has always been possible that Obama will win a second term. The liberal press hides the truth of what is really happening and if voters believe the lie that Republicans could do anything about creating jobs when Democrats block them they will believe anything. Republicans had better be making their case or we all will be in a lot of trouble.

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By: James on October 28, 2011
at 6:28 AM
Seems the Republicans are working against the wishes of the middle class and even millionaires who feel taxing those who have benefited most should pay a fair share.

Republicans deciding not to work for JOBS, JOBS, JOBS and TAX FAIRNESS will get Republicans VOTED OUT OF OFFICE. There will be a price for NO, NO, HELL NO!!!! The 99% want Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Tax Fairness! If you choose not to work for it – Goodbye, Mr Politician.

Making the middle class and unemployed a priority should be the focus of all politicians if they desire to be re-elected.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/progressive-democrats-deliver-30000.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 28, 2011
at 6:20 AM
Well here is hoping you and yours I Report do not succeed in destroying this country.

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By: Anonymous on October 27, 2011
at 9:53 PM
Oh My: Seems like Republicans are in jeopardy of losing control of the house in 2012. Seems people think they are do nothing idiots. Ignoring JOBS, JOBS, JOBS will come back and bite the Republicans in the butt!!
Oh My!!

New polls out Thursday of 12 House districts now held by Republicans in four states showcase some prime pickup opportunities for Democrats next year.

The House Majority PAC, which can raise unlimited money to support Democratic candidates with an independent expenditure campaign, commissioned Public Policy Polling to survey 12 districts where the redistricting process has been comp

In every one, less than 50 percent of voters said they would like to see the incumbent Republican reelected next year. And a majority in all but one expressed a negative opinion of the Republicans in Congress.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66973.html#ixzz1c2fy6XxV

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 27, 2011
at 9:11 PM
‎68% of millionaires support increasing taxes on millionaires.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 27, 2011
at 9:03 PM
The Republicans have their talking points on stopping the Jobs Bill I see.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/rove-memo-how-derail-obamas-jobs-bill

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 27, 2011
at 8:03 PM
Thanks uawtradesman.

It is interesting isn’t it? The Occupy Wall Street group is getting a lesson in redistribution and they don’t like it.

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By: James on October 27, 2011
at 7:01 PM
maybe they should join the tea party

Occupy Wall Street kitchen staff protesting fixing food for freeloaders

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_hell_kitchen_i5biNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL#ixzz1c1M02Wcz

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_hell_kitchen_i5biNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL

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By: uawtradesman on October 27, 2011
at 3:42 PM
really funny James…..
with all the dog poop flying around we can all go organic!!!!!!!

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By: uawtradesman on October 27, 2011
at 3:17 PM
I Report, You Decide!: You come across as a gentleman and a scholar. You will comprehend and appreciate this quote:

“…….the vices of a declining empire, the cruel absurdity of the Roman princes; …..the intolerable weight of taxes, rendered still more oppressive by the intricate or arbitrary modes of collection; the tedious and expensive forms of judicial proceedings; the partial administration of justice; and the universal corruption, which increased the influence of the rich, and aggravated the misfortunes of the poor.”

Taken from: “The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” by Edward Gibbons.

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By: Eric on October 27, 2011
at 1:46 PM
Anonymous one, you are so full of dog poop you wouldn’t know the difference if I HAD dumped more on your porch. Read a book on economics. It would do you some good.

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By: James on October 27, 2011
at 10:31 AM
And once again a Liberal has shown they cannot add to a conversation, only attack the messenger.

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By: Anonymous on October 27, 2011
at 10:14 AM
Once again James forgot to light the bag of dog poop he put on the porch.

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By: Anonymous on October 27, 2011
at 9:02 AM
I report, Hot Air explains the income disparity you mentioned. So does Power LIne. Richard Epstein told PBS that the “income inequality” screed misses the point. He said that the income inequality is the result of productiveness and success in the markets, and that imposing redistributive government policies to “correct” for the inequality will mean less innovation and economic success.

He argued that marginal and capital-gains taxes were much higher in earlier periods of economic growth and the tax code had more shelters for investors that shielded capital from seizure.

The Minneapolis Federal Reserve concluded that taking into account of household sizes, types and differing price index, median household income increased by 44% to 62% from 1976 to 2006. Median hourly wages including fringe benefits rose by 28% from 1975 to 2005.

“Numerous researchers have concluded that, on balance, the technological changes of the past several decades–and perhaps the entire past century- increased employers’ demand for workers with higher skills and more education. That increase, along with a smaller increase in the supply of workers with higher skills and more education generated substantial gains in the relative wages of more educated people. In the past decades, inequality has been going up everywhere.” “It is a global phenomenon.

The CBO guesses that the compensation of superstars such as actors athletes, and musicians may be especially sensitive to technological changes which increase their customer base.

The income inequality is growing because our under educated workers are competing with Asians and other foreigners.That is a result of globalization. Another factor no one mentioned is the large number of legal and illegal immigrants. Not all are Hispanic. Others come from Eastern Europe and Asia. As newcomers, their incomes tend to be lower than average. They will also contribute to the income disparity.

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By: James on October 27, 2011
at 8:22 AM
Republican ECONOMIC SABOTAGE – a timeline

http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201110250009

Click on the timeline to enlarge it.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 27, 2011
at 8:10 AM
“It’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” (Warren Buffett, 2006)

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 27, 2011
at 8:02 AM
This week, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) provided just the latest analysis confirming that U.S. income inequality is at record levels. But while the income gap is at largest in 80 years even as the total federal tax burden is at its smallest in 60, the 2012 Republican presidential field is proposing to make both much, much worse. As the numbers show, the GOP field’s toxic mix of massive upper-class tax cuts, mountains of debt and draconian spending cuts would ensure the yawning chasm between the top 1% and everyone else grows wider still.

Regardless of which Republican emerges as the party’s standard bearer in 2012, the result as John Harwood explained on CNBC, is that the richest Americans would get back “hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of dollars” annually from the U.S. Treasury.

PREDICTION: Republicans are blocking any attempt to jump start the economy short term or GET JOBS TO THE UNEMPLOYED – RESULT:
MORE DEMONSTRATIONS!

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS – That was what Cantor and McConnell were yelling during the last election BUT NO JOBS BILL SINCE THE ELECTION.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 27, 2011
at 7:58 AM
Republican Tax Plans will make the RECORD INCOME DISPARITY EVEN WORSE according to the CBO. People have a reason to be upset and unless a Jobs Bill is passed, we can plan on it getting worse. Republicans are doing nothing for job creation.

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/gop-candidates-will-expand-record-us-income-gap

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 27, 2011
at 7:48 AM
Yes, I remember the Tea Party demonstrations my wife and I attended. I’ve been to high school pep rallies with more anger.

It was like being in a giant flash mob as occupants of passing cars and buses honked and waved at us. We need more flash mobs. They bring smiles and let people forget their troubles for awhile.

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By: James on October 26, 2011
at 7:17 PM
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/10/25/over-2400-tea-partiers-arrested/

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By: uawtradesman on October 26, 2011
at 6:21 PM
Tea Party vs Wall Street Protesters…

http://americanandproud.net/2011/10/tea-party-vs-wall-street-protesters/

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By: uawtradesman on October 26, 2011
at 6:12 PM
It was easy to understand unknown forces were behind the OWS movement, but ACORN? That is interesting. So are the people, including the homeless, they are paying to demonstrate.

Now, they are turning violent as the police drive them from their polluted squatter sites.

Its the Tea Party all over again. Now that cities have repaired most of the damage they did to parks and stores they will have to rebuild once again. Where will it all end?

You had better ask yourself that Pfessor before you decide to vote for Obama because Republican candidates are impure. Obama is a liar too.

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By: James on October 26, 2011
at 5:41 PM
Speaking to Anon 8:23am

I have struggled all my adult life to find my place in the world. I do not ever feel I have found my calling in life. So, as you might guess, I have for the most part lead a poor existence. Through my life a childhood buddy as done very well for himself. He is on his 3rd business and by my measure leads a very nice lifestyle. Through the 20+ years I have known him as he has gone from inventor to business man, back to inventor, back to business man, and he has taken me along the way to help me be more than what I ever thought I could be. He had me running his production facility, a position for which I felt unqualified for but he had faith in me. He encouraged me to ask questions, and I learned. By year 3 I was running the entire facility and would not see him inside the plant sometimes for months. Years later in another venture, he was even more successful than in the last. In this venture he asked me to do some sales for him. Within a couple of months he asked me to take over the division and build him a national sales team. This felt way above my pay-grade, but again he told me to ask lots of questions, and I did. To date I have reps in 32 states and we are continuing to grow. I am doing things I never thought I would be capable of doing and earning a nice living.

If we would encourage the people that go out and achieve, to share their knowledge and abilities with others, rather than try and take from them what they achieved through their own hard work, I think everyone would be the better for it.

Being a boss both in the blue collar and white collar world, I found positive reinforcement to be a superior motivation. Why live in a world where we take from one and give to another to achieve a goal? Why not instead give, and teach, and offer opportunities? In my experience it is far more rewarding to me and to those who are given that chance to excel.

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By: Anonymous on October 26, 2011
at 5:39 PM
As long as we are agreed you were giving your myopic opinion then we are cool. You spoke as if you knew the man personally

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By: Anonymous on October 26, 2011
at 5:19 PM
What more evidence do you need, beyond the video showing him doing it?

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By: Anonymous on October 26, 2011
at 3:28 PM
Anon 1:52pm Any evidence to back up or are you talking out of the side of your ass?

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By: Anonymous on October 26, 2011
at 3:12 PM
I thought we were done with those assholes….

ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role in ‘Occupy’ Movement

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/

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By: uawtradesman on October 26, 2011
at 3:06 PM
LMFAO….

BARACK IS A WAR CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!

The willful killing [of someone protected by the Geneva Convention] is defined as a war crime by Article 8 of the ICC’s Rome Statute,”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/10/moammar-kadafi-family-nato.html

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By: uawtradesman on October 26, 2011
at 2:43 PM
There’s nothing genuine about GB, except perhaps his desperation. He’s a carnival barker; he’s Elmer Gantry in the flesh. He caused harm and I’m glad he’s no longer in the spotlight.

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By: HJ on October 26, 2011
at 2:00 PM
LMAO! Beck squeezes out tears on demand to manipulate people for a living. If he can’t summon the tears with his method acting, he rubs vicks in his eyes.

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By: Anonymous on October 26, 2011
at 1:52 PM
For all of the people on here who have cast Glen Beck in many different, mostly all unfavorable lights, I think this interview shows who this man really is. You may not agree with his point of view, but I challenge anyone to say this man is not genuine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/glenn-beck-cries-today-show_n_1032480.html?ncid=webmail3

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By: Anonymous on October 26, 2011
at 12:40 PM
pfesser, do you think our country will survive another 4 years of this? We have 2 possible outcomes as I see it. If Republicans hold power in congress we know Republicans won’t give in and we know Obama won’t move to the center, so can we endure 4 more years of getting little to nothing done. Or if Democrats come back into power can we endure 4 years of increased taxes and deficit spending? My opinions no way can we endure more of either.

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By: Anonymous on October 26, 2011
at 12:27 PM
Back to Barack, I’m afraid.

Herman Cain was looking pretty good there for a while. He had a reasonable position on abortion, which was that “I personally oppose it but am willing to let everybody make that decision for themselves.”

Then he caught hell from the other “candidates” for not being pure enough and he began to backpedal. Now it’s “No abortions – not for any reason, no matter what.”

Tell ’em what they want to hear, Herman……….

So he’s a f’ing liar too – just like the rest of the ReBiblicans. It’s either be pure on a single issue or you’re out of there, huh? Lying bastards.

Back to Barack for me.

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By: pfesser53 on October 26, 2011
at 11:08 AM
I Repost, I wonder. What issue do you have with the American Dream? Why do you find it to be so evil? I wonder, do you think there is only room in the American Dream for a finite number of people, or is there room for everyone? Rather than vilify those who have achieved success, wouldn’t it be better to encourage them to show others to get to where they are, rather than try and drag them to where we are?

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By: Anonymous on October 26, 2011
at 8:23 AM
Clinton did not balance the budget or leave a surplus until the Republicans took power and forced him to. He also was lucky to get the post Cold War windfall and the internet boom. It sent imagionary money into the economy until the recession began near the end of his administration. His timing was good. Had Bill stayed in office a while longer there would have been no surplus.

Clinton is a scoundrel who cost us a lot of money in impeachement expenses, but he is also nimble and adaptable. He is one of our smartest recent presidents. We would be in better shape today if Obama would ask himself, “what would Bill do?”

I read of the report but have not seen it. Its not surprising the gap has grown. Some people make money even in recessions. The book sounds interesting. I will read it when I have time.

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By: James on October 26, 2011
at 8:22 AM
WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR SOME, A new book. Sounds interesting!! Thought you might want a good read. (it speaks to lies and liars of the political elite as well as the economic/ corporate elite,)

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 26, 2011
at 7:55 AM
CBO (Congressional Budget Office) Makes it Official!!!! THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICH AND THE POOR IS AT RECORD LEVELS!!!!!

It is so nice of a non partisan outfit to look at actual numbers and make a reasonable and responsible judgement based on facts!!!! TAX THE WEALTHIEST MAKES SO MUCH SENSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS!!!!! Do you disagree?

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/10/yet-more-grim-inequality-news-cbo

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 26, 2011
at 7:38 AM
The income of the 1% exploded in the last 30 years!!!
The little people – NO RAISE FOR YOU and you lose your benefits too.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/25/353359/cbo-income-one-percent-explode/

The 300 Million Blow job!!! BY THE WAY: CLINTON BALANCED THE BUDGET AND LEFT A SURPLUS!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 26, 2011
at 7:19 AM
I report, if we use your hyperbole look it this way. Clinton was a serial sexual predator and according to Juanita Broderic, a rapist. He used the Arkansas State Patrol to troll for women at tax payer expense. Had he been able to control his perversions there would have been no sexual harrassment law suit, no lies and no $200 million spent to impeach him.

By your standards, if I steal your car, the police search for it, and you press charges, the money spent is your fault.

Again, as I wrote earlier, a government agency said the Iraq war cost over $800 billion, slightly less than Obama’s failed first stimulus. Not to spend all of that money in Afghanistan would have meant more attacks on us, and bin Ladin’s continued survival.

That torture helped us find him. Leon Penatta hinted as much. There is also a hazy definition of torture as Clinton showed us by a similar definition of “Is.” I have been tortured, and still have a slight disability because of it. Waterboarding caused no permanent damage. It was emotional, not physical torture.

We either should have invaded Afghanistan to stop al Quaeda or not. Judged from his pre- Presidential statements, Obama was a political parasite feeding off of Bush’s strategy for his own gain. He took credit for an operation others started and all he did was finish the job with an order.

We still don’t know all that awaits us in Obama care. The death panels are inside, and its rules are so onerous, thousands of waivers are still being issued to selected friends.

Hyperboly is fun. I am beginning to understand why you enjoy it.

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By: James on October 26, 2011
at 6:31 AM
Newt Gringrich – Speaker of the House at the Time WAS HAVING HIS THIRD AFFAIR at the same time he was voting to IMPEACH CLINTON FOR A BLOW JOB. (200 Million of tax payer money) Wasn;t one of his ex wives in he hospital for cancer when he gave her the divorce papers. NEWT IS THE ROLE MODEL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT – right.

President Eisenhower had a mistress – Is he the Republican Role Model you are talking about.

If you want to look at Role Models, I will Suggest President Obama. I am impressed with him as a father, husband, intellect and honesty. He will give people a chance before he goes over or around them to do what is right for the people he serves.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 26, 2011
at 6:27 AM
I don’t really care that Clinton got a BL in the White House…..
He could have said that it was something between him and Hillery and no one else’s concern……But NO….He got on national TV and looked millions of people in the eye and said”I did not have sexual relations with that woman”……typical politician…..how can you tell that their lying….their lips move…..he not only deserved to be impeached he should have been gelded….

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By: uawtradesman on October 26, 2011
at 6:15 AM
Then maybe elect someone with some integrity. Remember the good old days when a parent would tell a child to grow up and be like the President? If they were talking about Clinton what would he grow up to be A Cheat, a Liar, treasonous, Womanizer. Good call there .

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By: Anonymous on October 25, 2011
at 10:50 PM
Presidential Lie = IRAQ WAR = 3 TRILLION – Bush
Presidential Lie= WE DO NOT TORTURE!!!! – Bush/Cheney

OBABMACARE – what do the people say?
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/if-you-cant-beat-them-join-them.html

200 Milllion TAX PAYER DOLLARS spent on spent on prosecuting a BLOW JOB!!! Great way to BLOW tax payer money!!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 25, 2011
at 10:03 PM
200 million wasted because Clinton didn’t have the integrity to own up to what he did. He lied under oath and we had an obligation to uphold the law and investigate it when there was such overwhelming evidence that did the deed. Probably the best example of a Liberal doing anything, saying anything to be right, or worse yet to have to admit to being wrong.

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By: Anonymous on October 25, 2011
at 8:29 PM
No, Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath and for obstruction of justice. Paula Jones had filed a sexual harrasment lawsuit, and Bill Clinton lied to protect himself. Inso doing, he denied Paula Jones a fair outcome of the trial.

Viewed another way, Clinton could have admitted his crime and saved we tax payers a large portion of the $200 million. But no, the selfish jerk didn’t care what we had to pay. He was going to fight it to the end. Bill Clinton, not the Republicans cost us that money. How do you like that view?

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By: James on October 25, 2011
at 8:28 PM
Clinton got impeached for a BLOW JOB!!! 200 Million dollars of tax payer money was wasted on it!

THE KOCH BROTHERS HAD BEEN SELLING EQUIPMENT FOR THEIR NUCLEAR AMBITIONS DURING THE BUSH YEARS!!! Are you upset at that?
Here is a link to a typical Republican Idiot and why they will lose any election against President Obama.
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/rick-perry-shows-why-he-got-d-in-economics

Sarah and Rush are missing you right wing guys on their web sites.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 25, 2011
at 7:52 PM
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/photos/democrats-cartoon-gallery/4

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By: uawtradesman on October 25, 2011
at 3:11 PM
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/photos/democrats-cartoon-gallery/23

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By: uawtradesman on October 25, 2011
at 3:05 PM
Hey I Report….
report on this….

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/10/24/failed-democrat-pol-sues-critics-over-election-loss

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By: uawtradesman on October 25, 2011
at 3:00 PM
Clinton should have been impeached.

Giving China 3 stage missile technology: Impeachable offense.
Having sexual relations with woman other than this wife: Impeachable offense.
Writing over 400 Presidential pardons to set his criminal buddies free from prosecution to protect his legacy: Should be an impeachable offense.

As for Obama, I think it will be a harder case to prove but I think he is either intentional i what he is doing to our country or amazingly inept and ignorant.

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By: Anonymous on October 25, 2011
at 10:01 AM
I report, Clinton lied in a court case. That was purgery and obstruction of justice. As I wrote before, you and I would have gone to jail for that offense.

Don’t confuse President Clinton’s public statement with what he said in court.
His “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” was tacky and disrespectful to Monica Lewinsky and especially his family. However, Bill was not under oath when he said it. That statement had nothing to do with what followed, because Bill broke no laws on that day.

Impeaching Clinton for breaking the law was worth every penny of the 200 million dollars to preserve the principal that no one is above the law. It was the right punishment, because Bill did not deserve to be thrown out office, in my opinion. He did deserve the public humiliation and historical record the trial inflicted on him. Clinton also deserved to lose his license to practice law.

The answer is no.
President Obama has broken no laws as far as we know. He lies and makes mistakes, but if we impeached him for that, we would have to prematurely fire most of our politicians.

Eric Holder, on the other hand should be fired. The Justice Department is proposing a change to the Freedom of Information Act. Under the proposed change, agencies citing an exemption would be allowed to “respond to the request as if the excluded records did not exist,” rather than citing the relevant exemption. Betsy’s Page explains it.

We subscribe to Time, so I have read the article. October 9-10 is a long time ago. The CNN poll I quoted is more recent. The poll showed that like the OWS, many people are angry about the banks, disparity of incomes, etc. but except for Democrats, they don’t connect to the OWS because crazies are polluting the message and turning the protest into a joke.

I only know what you wrote about the Florida voting law. ACORN and others flooded the polls with bogus voters in the last election. Many were so ridiculous they may have been intended to slow the registration process rather than actually send bogus votes into the system. Thus, I see nothing wrong with the law as you described it. I don’t understand how it could repress rightful voters.

Registering to vote should take at least as much time and trouble as it does to get a drivers license, to buy a car, or to borrow money.

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By: James on October 25, 2011
at 9:58 AM
James: re: The 200 Million dollar BLOW JOB impeachment.

200 Million of tax payer money was wasted on determining if the words, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” meant! Was a Blow Job sexual relations? After 200 Milllion dollars – Republicans decided YES and Clinton got the impeachment hearing.

You for the Impeachment of President Obama?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 25, 2011
at 8:26 AM
Voter Suppression by the Republicans in FLORIDA!!!

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2011/10/teacher-democrats-could-pay-for-republican-crackdown-on-voter-registration-drives.html

NEW SMYRNA BEACH — The teacher who heads up New Smyrna Beach High School’s student government association could face thousands of dollars in fines. Her transgression? Helping students register to vote.

Prepping 17-year-olds for the privileges and responsibilities of voting in a democracy is nothing new for civics teachers, but when Jill Cicciarelli organized a drive at the start of the school year to get students pre-registered, she ran afoul of Florida’s new and controversial election law.

Among other things, the new rules require that third parties who sign up new voters register with the state and that they submit applications within 48 hours. The law also reduces the time for early voting from 14 days to eight and requires voters who want to give a new address at the polls to use a provisional ballot.

Republican lawmakers who backed the rules said they were necessary to reduce voter fraud. Critics — including U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, who testified before a congressional committee — said the law would suppress voter participation.

Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2011/10/teacher-democrats-could-pay-for-republican-crackdown-on-voter-registration-drives.html#ixzz1bnkaaDet
NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS – JUST IGNORE IT AND MOVE ON!!!
(It is happening in many Republican states folks!!! Just thought you should know.)

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 25, 2011
at 7:54 AM
Recent Polling:
Time Magazine commissioned a poll (done on October 9th and 10th of 1,001 randomly chosen adults), and that poll showed that 54% of the public approved of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations while only 23% disapproved (and another 23% said they didn’t know enough to have an opinion).

Those are some pretty nice numbers — numbers that the two political parties can only dream about these days. Obviously the protesters had struck a chord with a lot of angry and unhappy Americans. Why was this happening? Why had the people stopped believing the broken promises of both political parties? Well, some clues can be gleaned from the answers to some other questions the Time Poll asked. One of those questions was:

DO YOU BELIEVE THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICH & POOR HAS GROWN TOO LARGE?
Yes……………79%
No……………17%
Don’t know……………3%

That means about four out of every five Americans believes the distribution of wealth and income in this country is not just unequal, but unfair. This kind of inequality has not been seen since just before the Great Depression (and it then resulted in a massive economic disaster — just like today). As the chart pictured above shows:

Top 1% controls 38.1% of the country’s wealth.
Top 5% controls 59.4% of the country’s wealth.
Top 10% controls 70.9% of the country’s wealth.
Top 20% controls 83.4% of the country’s wealth.
Top 40% controls 95.3% of the country’s wealth.
http://jobsanger.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-and-public-sentiment.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Flhav+%28jobsanger%29

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 25, 2011
at 7:36 AM
A few good funnies:

http://brainsandeggs.blogspot.com/2011/10/early-voting-sunday-funnies.html

There is one where a Corporate Big Whig is yelling at the ‘little people’ gathered, “Tell it to Congress! That is what we pay them for!”
There are some other good ones too.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 25, 2011
at 7:29 AM
I’m glad a news show called them out too.

Many Democrats must have been drinking some of that toxic water to fall for the OWS scheme. As I wrote, the human garbage that we call hippies has polluted the movement literally and figuratively.

The Anti -Defamation League has or will be complaining about the movement’s anti-semetic statements.

People around Zuccotti Park, New York City want them gone. Some police officers blame the increased number of shootings in the city on their having to spread their forces too thinly away from the park. The operation has cost the city at least $3 million.

The story is beginning to bore people, and enough freak-show videos are circulating on social media that the movement is not getting the support they need from the middle class.

Democratic Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed is the latest mayor to threaten to evict the protesters. A CNN poll gives OWS’s favorable rating among Democrats at 45/12. It is 33/30 among independents. The longer people snicker at the antics of their fringe and the longer the movement fails to offer a coherent message the harder it will be for them to win popular support.

Their main chance may be martyrdom as police evict a large group with billy clubs to the head during mass arrests.

Some people also accused me of whining about our flood– that it was less serious than I described. The Omaha World Herald compared our volume of flood water with Hurricane Irene’s. The Hurricane dropped an average of eight inches of rain or more on an area the size of the Nebraska Panhandle. Storms associated with our flood produced an area of eight inches plus on an area the size of the entire state of Nebraska. This was in addition to melting record snowfall.

Moreover, much of the Eastern floodwater ran into the nearby ocean while all of our water had to flow down one river.

Last night, in Omaha, the Corps of Engineers reps appologised to an angry crowd. Environmentalists who’s policies helped worsen the flood wisely stayed away. Even worse, the Corps has not changed the amount of water they plan to store over the winter. Authorities have told a friend that they will deny it if anyone tells, but given the winter and spring forecast they guage our chances of a similar flood next spring as higher than the chances were at this time last year. For one thing the approach of winter will not give contractors time to rebuild damaged and weakened dikes.

Twenty acre ponds of water remain on some of our land. Neighbors face up to eight to ten feet of sand and deep fissures on their land. After five months, our highway system is still not all repaired. Some companies have lost 30% of their business because of transportation problems.

This diatribe is not directed at you or most of the regulars on this site, I report. I respect you. I am sending this to educated fools who resorted to personal attacks when they couldn’t counter my arguments. Thom is the latest to be so blinded by elitism and emotion he wouldn’t recognize the the truth if it bit him. He thought I didn’t understand my true motivation, but I do. It is to expose poseurs like him.

I don’t care if they are reading this or not. Others will. My writing skills may be no better than fifth grade level, but even the those people’s limited perceptive skills should understand this. I told you so.

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By: James on October 25, 2011
at 7:23 AM
radiation in the water! Texas officials were having citizens drink water with radiation levels beyond permissible levels and not telling people of the dangers. Glad a news show called them out.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/water/radiation-drinking-water-and-deception-55.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 24, 2011
at 6:54 PM
Sorry, I meant the 8:19AM comment.

Back to work for me now.

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By: James on October 24, 2011
at 11:41 AM
Read my earlier posts. The Bush tax cuts helped send the unemployment rate down to as low as 4.6% and revenue increased to what the New York Times called a windfall. Our Republican and later Democratic Congress’ increasing spending faster than tax revenues was not the fault of the tax cuts. I agree, creation of high paying jobs was less robust than it would have been without the globalization started by Clinton and supported by Bush.

By the standard of your overblown way of putting things, the economy crashed because Democrats forced banks to give loans to risky clients, and they used Fannie and Freddie as their political piggy bank. I’m being too simplistic, but so are you. We have already shown the role Democrats played in the crash.

Continuing your same standards, I counter with the Democrats’ blocking any Republicans’ attempts to lower spending and to create conditions for job growth. The Democrats are in power, and their failure is here for all to behold.

Of course the wars are ending during the past year. Our soldiers have accomplished most of their mission after ten years. Again, with your overblown standards, Obama’s people blundered when they couldn’t reach an agreement to keep some of our soldiers in Iraq to continue their training mission. We will pay for that mistake. We also fought an illegal war in Libya, at least by the standards of some of Bush’s war critics.

Momar Khadifi repressed Islam fundamentalists. Now that he is gone, they may face Sharia Law and polygamy. You and I could move there and have up to four wives.

The CBO states the cost of the war in Iraq is $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations. The projected cost of the stimulus passed in 2009 is $862 billion.

Your last post is so inaccurate, surely even you can’t accept it without laughing. As usual, I agree with some of what you wrote.

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By: James on October 24, 2011
at 11:39 AM
One More Republican Idea for JOBS, JOBS, JOBS

TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHIEST!

(Reminder: Our Hero: Ronald Reagan – RAISED TAXES 11 TIMES DURING HIS PRESIDENCY. He started the Dificit Spending Trend but he did raise taxes when he realized the budget was a huge dificit because of his ideas,

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 24, 2011
at 8:30 AM
Is this the REPUBLICAN JOBS PROGRAM?? I think so.

-Abolish the Federal Minimum Wage
-Repeal Federal Workplace Anti-Discrimination Laws
-Repeal Laws Mandating Employment/Safety Terms
-Abolish Extended Unemployment Benefits

I thought Mitch McConnel was being honest when he said he is not interested in getting Fire Fighters or Teachers back to work – sad but thanks for the honesty Mitch.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 24, 2011
at 8:19 AM
Wars that run 10 years run up bills of 3 Trillion or so. Bush passing a prescription drug bill that was not paid for cost 2 Trillion dollars. The tax cuts stimulated the economy? Where were the jobs? It was the worst 10 year job record of the century. The economy crashed during the Bush Years because of the ineptness of de-regulation and the greed it caused.

It is interesting that President Obama got into wars that were finished within a year and cost Billions instead of Trillions and 10 years.

Health care costs were rising without any changes and more and more people were being denied coverage. That needed to change. I prefer a single payer system myself. President Obama is looking at the cost and cutting back on parts which are too expensive.

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS is what the Republicans got elected on – where are the jobs bills from the Republicans?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 24, 2011
at 7:40 AM
Me too, and You also Craig.

I report, I agree Obama deserves credit for his foreign policy. He has basically continued Bush’s strategy, and most of his successes have come from the War on Terrorism. However, we may face some unintended consequences.

You know how it is. Politicians are loath to give the other side credit for successes, no matter which party is involved.

Obama had a Congressional majority at first and continued the Bush TARP program which probably helped save the banking system. He also saved a major part of our auto industry. However, his first stimulus program, Cash for Clunkers, and regulations intended to by pass Congress failed to permanently stimulate the economy.

Obamacare will prove to be worse and more expensive than our present system during the next twenty or thirty years. His policies helped create the Tea Party movement which stopped his agenda. Obama has himself to blame for his failed domestic policies. As I wrote, he deserves credit for his foreign policy.

Republicans did not spend all of that money on Clinton for a blow job. They spent it to impeach a politician who committed purgery, in a court case It was a criminal offense. You and I would have gone to jail for lying under oath. Clinton lost his law license, and he should have been impeached but allowed to stay in office as happened.

We have already established Bush and his gang did not crash the economy. We have also proven that the Bush tax cuts stimulated the economy and helped stop the earlier recession.

All of those social bills you mentioned are why I think the Republicans deserved to lose Congress during the Bush administration.

Arguing with you is a nice diversion. I’m glad you are still here.

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By: James on October 24, 2011
at 6:18 AM
Mageen, how are you guys doing? Been thinking of you.

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By: delurkergurl on October 24, 2011
at 4:45 AM
Intentionally Crashing Economy!!! You mean GW BUSH!!!

Starting two wars and putting them on credit cards.
Cutting taxes by 700 Billion a year while starting two wars
Giving Tax Credits for sending manufacturing Business overseas
Cutting Regulation so Banks could gamble on derivatives with no oversight
Remember ENRON??? Corruption – yep

Bush and his crooks were the ones who crashed the economy..

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 23, 2011
at 10:55 PM
The REPUBLICANS SPENT 200 MILLION AND IMPEACHED FOR A BLOW JOB with Clinton. (Newt was on affair 3 or 4 at the time)

REPUBLICAN HAVE INTRODUCED: The Numbers:
44 Bills on Abortion
99 on religion
71 on Family Relationships
36 on Marriage
67 on Firearms -Gun Control
522 on Taxation
445 on Government Investigations against Dems.

*ZERO REPUBLICAN BILLS ON JOB CREATION!!!!!!*

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 23, 2011
at 10:47 PM
My hope and prayer is Obama is found out to have intentionally sabotaged our economy, intentionally causing is to lose our credit rating, doing irreparable damage to this nation, and tried for treason.

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By: Anonymous on October 23, 2011
at 8:52 PM
In just this year alone President Obama was instrumental is taking down the Ghadaffi regime, ordering the successful killing of Osama Bin Ladin, not to mention a number of other high value terrorist targets, the successful ouster of Mubarak in Egypt and other things that I am not smart enough to recall and too tired to look up.
Point is, we have a former community organizer and law professor who seems to actually know what he is doing in terms of foreign policy. And the best part is he has managed to do all of this without a lick of opposition from the Right. They may not give the President credit for any of his foreign successes, but let’s face it, they did not stop him from accomplishing any of it either.
Now imagine if Republicans just gave Obama the freedom to do his job domestically too. My guess is he would also be one of the most successful domestic policy President’s since FDR. It is astounding to think of where we would be by now if that were the case.

http://takemycountryback.com/obaminator-republicans-interfere/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 23, 2011
at 6:38 PM
The Koch Brothers: How they are stopping jobs but they are hiring 1200. (The Koch brothers fail to say they have laid off 67,000 US employees)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44983841#44983935

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 23, 2011
at 6:19 PM
Thom (as) my “ramblings” usually turn out to be right.

I hope your job doesn’t require much critical thinking, because you made several interpretative errors. You implied something was wrong with me because I made unfounded assumptions about you, a total stranger when in fact you did it first. I was merely returning the favor. I assumed I could goad you into revealing more about yourself, and I was right.

You also have difficulty interpreting meanings and nuance. I had no panic attack. I was attacking hippies and incidently, you as any fool could see. I will cite examples, and use simple words if you want.

So far, you have shown us little original thought, even with your insults.

Your absence is fine with me, but when I was a kid, someone who started a fight and ran away was a “chicken fighter.” Coward.

Of course, I am a nonentity. So are you and most of the rest who post here. Thank God, I am a nonentity and not you.

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By: James on October 23, 2011
at 3:09 PM
I found fault with only one word in your post, I report.

Japan’s economic stagnation is no myth. While not in recession, its economy has struggled with too closely knit- businesses and government. Its population is aging as the economy slowly shrinks. The strong Yen has also handicapped business.

Kathy Chu of USA Today (Sept 28) wrote that the recent earth quake and tidal wave was a wake up call for Japanese businesses. To survive they must diversify and earn customers outside of Japan’s “stagnating economy.” Japanese have aquired nearly twice the foreign businesses than they did last year.

The government created a $50 billion fund to help companies with resource related aquisitions and $50 billion to encourage companies to trade yen reserves for dollars.Yui Yoshikawa, the director of a market research fund said companies which can’t afford to invest overseas are exporting more and tailoring their products to regional demand. Because of the stagnant economy and aging population, expanding overseas is the “only means in my mind for Japanese companies to survive.”

They and the Swiss are concentrating on American companies.

As I wrote, water seeks its own level. I agree with the rest of your comments.

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By: James on October 23, 2011
at 1:58 PM
For the guy who thinks he has always been right except on a rare occasion, this is one time when he is way off base. He could, but I doubt if he will, re-evaluate assumptions he made about a total stranger to him on the internet. He seemed on the verge of a panic attack, having to defend himself through a flurry of long comments late last night. You would think a grown man would have a little bit more insight into his own behavior by now. Maybe not.

Although I have not commented before until recently nor will I bother to again, I have read this nonentity’s incoherent ramblings off and on in the past. I recognize how excitable he is and the broad sweeping generalizations he makes. I do realize that not all conservatives are as rabid.

I am a free agent in the work of my chosen profession. I say it is my job because that is how I have earned my living for many years. I set my own hours and work at my own pace. Even in these tough economic times, my legitimate work is much in demand. I only wish it were so for the host of other people who cannot say the same. I can only speculate on the individual circumstances of each case.

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By: Thom on October 23, 2011
at 1:45 PM
(Incidentally, the story that Japan has been “struggling” economically that has been widely peddled by the U.S. media in recent years is nothing more than a myth).
…How, then, should we regard a country that has 5% unemployment, the lowest income inequality, healthcare for all its people and is one of the world’s leading exporters?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/aug/11/paul-krugman-japan-lost-decade

The only problem is that, since 1980, wages started stagnating for the rest of us. Allowing for inflation, average workers’ wages have barely budged in more than three decades.

The result is that America now has the income inequality levels of a Third World nation. In fact, the top 400 richest Americans now own a titanic amount of wealth that exceeds the combined wealth of the bottom 155 million Americans.
America, after all, has lost millions of good-paying manufacturing jobs just in the past 10 years. We’ve lost over 42,000 factories, just since 2001. By contrast, even America’s most prosperous and high-profile companies, like Apple, haven’t even come close to replacing the job losses in the manufacturing sector. Hence, America’s stubbornly high jobless rates (and the even more troubling absence of new well-paid jobs).

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 23, 2011
at 12:10 PM
Thanks Anonymous.

I report, Japan’s economic situation is not all that healthy. They have lived with slow growth since around 1990. They do maintain the technological base they created during the boom years of the eighties. If memory serves, Japan and Germany offer a better environment for businesses than we do. Japan’s citizens save a lot of personal money.

Germany also refused to follow Obama’s advice to spend its way out of recession, and they are now relatively healthy. They also provide hope that they can support some of the weaker economies as they work their way out of onerous debt. Estonia is another country with even more conservative economic values because they still remember communism.

The United States is not even in the list of top ten nations with good environments for small business and their births. Rawanda is ahead of us.

I agree, we could learn from those and other countries. Canada is another nation which is progressing from doldrums than we are.

Its true the Bush administration let jobs slip to other countries, but you neglect Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton started globalization. Don’t you remember those halycone days when the boom would never end and expansion with new technology would replace the new jobs? The new foreign jobs would create new middle class customers to buy our products and create new jobs here.

Clinton forgot that water seeks its own level. World-wide competion
drew wages up in undeveloped nations and took developed countries’ wages down to a mean between the two. You are right, Bush deserves some of the blame, but so does Clinton. Many, not all roads lead to Clinton. This is another road from the beautiful dream of unicorns and bubbles.

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By: James on October 23, 2011
at 11:29 AM
I Report, You Decide!, not sure if anyone told you, but it is 2011. Bush isn’t President anymore. Quit your whining and man up. You come off sounding like a whiny little bitch.

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By: Anonymous on October 23, 2011
at 10:07 AM
What countries are setting the standard for manufacturing and Research and Development? Japan and Germany – of course. They have strong unions and strong manufacturing – why? Read on.

Consider what countries Apple gets their major components from! Japan and Germany

http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2011/10/steve-jobs-represented-much-of-whats.html

…For a start, nations like Japan and Germany are simply no longer low-wage countries. Both have wages that are as high, if not higher, than what U.S. workers earn. Both nations have strong organized labor and strict pro-labor laws that would be inconceivable to Americans. Mass layoffs are virtually impossible in both nations. And the extremely strong yen of recent years has made Japan a particularly expensive nation to do business in. But despite all these “obstacles,” both nations continue to go from strength to strength in leading the world in high-tech manufacturing.

In short, there must be other reasons why the likes of Apple rely on Japanese and German suppliers for key iPhone components. Low wages and low manufacturing costs simply can’t be the reason.

It’s clear that a big part of the reason is that the U.S. simply can’t compete with nations like Japan or Germany in high-tech manufacturing. The reasons for this are many: everything from America’s abysmal public education system to our nation’s crumbling infrastructure to our complete lack of a logical industrial policy.

By contrast, nations like Japan and Germany have honed carefully planned long-term industrial policies aimed at boosting both nations’ industrial competitiveness.

BUSH AND CHENEY GAVE AWAY OUR MANUFACTURING JOBS!!! The well payng jobs went to Japan and Germany folks!, not China.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 23, 2011
at 10:03 AM
I would not put to much stock in this Thom fellow. He obviously is a failure in life, and is projecting that failure onto others. To take the time to make unfounded personal observations about someone on the internet they do not know just shows how desperate and petty most Liberals are. Take it as a compliment he considers you enough of a threat to bother creating that work of fiction.

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By: Anonymous on October 23, 2011
at 7:34 AM
Two more things, Thom (as): I was the token veteran guest on an NPR Science Friday Talk of the Nation show. A panel of psychologists discussed the counseling program they had developed for returning veterans of the Iraqi and Afghanistani wars. Then, I told my story.

They said the treatment of returning troops was important to their adjustment. One man called me a “perfect storm” and the anti- war protesters’ poisoning our welcome home was a reason. I recognize the stench of human garbage, and when I smell it again, I take note. I expect outcomes similar to last time.

i was using personal experience to illustrate a point, but the subtlity escaped you. You don’t seem like a very deep person, so I spelled it out for you.

My parents are dead, and the children who’s labor we exploited are doing very well.

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By: James on October 23, 2011
at 6:06 AM
Good night, Thom. Get plenty of sleep so you have the energy to leap through your bosses hoops.

Thank God, I’m not you.

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By: James on October 22, 2011
at 11:51 PM
I report, the OWS might win, but I doubt it. For one thing, most have failed to state their goals well. Until they do, it will be hard to define victory or defeat. The Tea Party had a coherent simple message, which was close to what a majority of the voters agreed with. They were peaceful and cleaned up after themselves. Attempted smears didn’t work because the Tea Parties were so well-behaved.

The Tea Parties and OWS share some views in common, but the OWS is an amourphous mass of people ranging from Tea Party sympathizers to Communists and anarchists. Unlike the Tea Parties who demonstrated and left, these folks are camping out and making nuisances of themselves. They are advocating leftist solutions out of sync with the majority. The Tea Parties coming and then leaving gave them more attention and novelty value lacking with the OWS.

Their “hippy” and racist wing has said and done intemporate things that produce the kind of attention which alienates the majority. They have not put their concerns into specific goals which one can grasp. Exploitation by the 1%( I’d judge 10%) matters less than the impression the protesters make on the general population. People will judge them on the actions of the extreme minority.

Just as the Tea Party was a danger to Democrats and moderate Republicans, the OWS can do potential harm especially to Democrats. A recent poll showed only 48% supported Obama. If more become frustrated and violent or realize Obama and Wall Street are joined at the hip, he is toast.

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By: James on October 22, 2011
at 11:49 PM
If you are writing about me, you are clueless, Thom. My wife and I bought most of our land from others, including family members, and it is all paid for. My wife and I have produced economic activity and fed people like you most of our lives. We sacrificed and worked hard for what we got. We deserve everything we have because we earned it.

The so called modern day hippies have not been producers. I told my stories about past hippies to show today’s variety seems little different from what we knew years ago. Once, anti-war protesters surrounded my wife, and she was afraid they would pull her out of her car if she stopped.She drove through the crowd, and they were smart enough to jump out of the way. These people are capable of doing the same if given time and opportunities.

Congratulations on being able to work for someone tomorrow. My wife and I have spent most of our lives laboring for ourselves and building a business. Unlike you, we have enjoyed automomy without being at someone else’s beck and call as you seem to be. It is challenging, but being a free agent instead of a wage slave as you are lets gives us flexibility of time use.

Be nice to your boss like a good underling tomorrow, Thom.

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By: James on October 22, 2011
at 11:21 PM
Update on consumers not producers:

How about the guy, who sits around on his ass, waiting to inherit daddy’s farm? Then he uses his wife and the child labor of his kids to man it. All the while he makes a career of complaining and telling his pitiful stories over and over again to anyone he can collar long enough to listen. Not much else to do on a farm in winter unless there are pigs to slop.

How is it that millions of other veterans of every war we have ever had, if they survive, get on with their lives afterward and became producers. I, for one, have to go to work tomorrow at my job.

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By: Thom on October 22, 2011
at 9:06 PM
Why will OWS win? Because 99% are being ripped off by the top 1%. (Look at the link above about pensions being stolen.)

NEW RULES: Bill Maher on OWS and why they will win.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/bill-maher-occupy-wall-street

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 22, 2011
at 7:14 PM
How the 1% stole the average person’s pension. Retirement Heist: How Companies Plunder and Profit from the nest egg of American workers by Ellen Schultz on THE DAILY SHOW.

These should be consideredl criminal acts but they are legal and going on in many corporations.

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/stealing-your-pension-daily-show-look

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 22, 2011
at 6:53 PM
Well Thom if you are referring to me, you are dead wrong.

You are describing hippies I knew who resemble the present crop. They are consumers and not producers. They certainly don’t create many jobs, and most don’t even know what they are protesting.

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By: James on October 22, 2011
at 5:03 PM
Update:

“He sits on his ass in front of his computer, day in and day out.
She works her hands to the bone to give him her money every payday but he wants more, just to stay at home and whine about how mistreated he was way back when, but cannot admit he didn’t and doesn’t have the brains, talent or guts to do anything else.”

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By: Thom on October 22, 2011
at 4:38 PM
The world poured increasing quantities of green house gases into the atmosphere during the twentieth century, and yet the climate cooled from 1940 to the 1970’s. If the simplistic explaination is true the warming should have been steady.

The rate of warming was also interrupted after 1998 when even more CO2 and similar gases flew into the atmosphere.We tied 1998 with an ENSO warm phase in 2005, but it was less intense than expected. One explanation may be Sulfate aerosols from volcanoes and human pollution. China, India and other countries are pouring more such pollutants into the atmosphere each year. Solar cycles may also play a role to counterbalance the extra CO2..

As I wrote, climate change has become a political and economic, not a scientific issue. The solutions associated with Al Gore will not stop global warming and they would send billions of people back into subsistance life. We would deny much of the world a chance at the bountiful lives a minority of us in the richer countries enjoy. Let private enterprise, not government fiat solve the problem.

Hippies touch a raw nerve.
I met enough hippies when I came home from the service to last a lifetime. They called people like me baby killers and fascists. They threw rubbish at returning soldiers. They tried to sabotage my work in grad school. Those who are Marxists are part of our problem, not the solution. Lech Walensa said when he visits the US he will ignore the OW folks because they are too extreme.Some of them can’t even find bathrooms.

How many jobs have they created relative to big oil and other polluters?

I dedicate this song to modern hippies like the ones I knew in 1970-72., not today’s hard- working people who are struggling to find jobs so they can pay their bills.

“She sits on her ass,
he works his hands to the
bone to give her money
every payday but she wants
more dinero just to stay at
home well, my friend you
gotta say
I won’t pay, I won’t pay ya,
no way (now now) why don’t
you get a job say no way,”

The Offspring

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By: James on October 22, 2011
at 3:04 PM
97agree that it is real and man nade. The 3% who don’t are funded by those like the Koch bothers who make BIG money by polluting our air and waterways. Koch and friends want to water down any environmental regulation which would cause them to upgrade plants or be concerned about water quality they dump their chemical waste into.

We have been wasting time with junk science so the Koch Brothers and Big Oil can destroy our environment without any restrictions.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/19/1028029/–OWS:-Let-Me-Tell-You-Wall-Street-Asshats-a-Little-Something-About-Hippies

Have hippies exported jobs?

Let me tell you something about hippies. Hippies didn’t export anyone’s jobs, hippies didn’t lie us into an immoral war, hippies didn’t conspire to steal anyone’s pension funds, hippies didn’t order anyone tortured, hippies didn’t steal so much that it crashed the economy of the entire world, and hippies don’t go on national tv and spew nonsense and propaganda for a very nice living.

So go ahead and blame hippies for everything…as if they had ruled us for decades. We should be so lucky. But we weren’t that lucky – not by a long shot. Instead, we got you.

So if the hippies have some advice for you Wall Street assholes, maybe you should listen. You could do worse. You did do worse. You did a lot worse.
Hippies told you to mind your planet. Hippies told you to make love not war. Hippies told you to not let greed grab you. But did you listen?

No. You and your minions in Congress and elsewhere turned your backs on responsibility. You abandoned the people and sold your souls to the highest bidders. Consequences be damned.

You should thank what gods may be that there are still hippies, that there are still people who put humanity over corporate profits, that there are still those who insist that we do the right thing rather than the profitable thing. We just may save the planet from assholes like you.
Meanwhile, our bought-and-paid-for politicians can’t do shit:
Global warming? Sorry.

Unjust wars? Nope, nothing to be done.
An oppressive and unjust Military Industrial Complex? C’est la vie.

Class warfare by the 1% against the 99%?
The gulf from rich and poor has never been greater!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 22, 2011
at 12:56 PM
Global warming is real. There is no doubt in my mind. ISU extension climatologist Dr. Elwynn Taylor said a few years ago that humans are contributing about 8 or 9% to global warming. That doesn’t sound like much, but it adds up like compound interest at the bank. It also means external factors play an even more important role.

Brian Beutler’s article cites two meterologists he says are turning on the “renegade denier.” Neither is as hostile as presented by the headline. Beutler wrote that Marc Moruno’s conclusions “aren’t technically in conflict with the views of a subset of those that accept Earth is warming but deny that humans are driving the warming.”

Anthony Watts should not have catagorically written “I’m prepared to accept whatever they produce even if it proves my premise wrong.” He was foolish to paint himself in a cornier.

He is right to wait for a peer review. That’s how its done. But his previous statement makes him look like a welcher.

Both sides have turned a scientific issue into a political contest. Global warmists and deniers egos are involved, of course, but the battle lines concern solutions which would take our money and freedom while killing millions of people.

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By: James on October 22, 2011
at 9:52 AM
Another hero of the Climate Change deniers bites the dust.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/climate-change-deniers-abandon-befuddled-warmist-physicist-who-came-around-on-global-warming.php

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By: BFD on October 22, 2011
at 6:52 AM
I think Lindsey Graham is wrong, and his comment is politically “STUPID.” Western Europe benefits more from Libyan oil than we do. Quadafi was no real short- term threat to us. In fact, he may have held Al Quiada elements at bay.

Western Europe caused most of the damage. Let them pay for it. If we help, our aid should be in the form of loans with an actual repayment schedule.

We can’t afford anything else now.

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By: James on October 22, 2011
at 6:02 AM
HOW STUPID! A noted Republican VOTED NO on rebuilding infrastructure of the US BUT NOW SAYS WE NEED TO REBUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF LIBYA!!! (If it is good enough for Libya – it should be good enough for the US as well!)

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/lindsey-graham-loves-infrastructure-libya

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 22, 2011
at 4:56 AM
report on this….

“Petition asks Emanuel to end Occupy Chicago arrests”

http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2316385&spid=

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By: uawtradesman on October 21, 2011
at 9:09 PM
Anonymous, we agree the sky is blue. Were it any other color, I would prove it. Look at the past two years of posts. Its unseemly to say so, but I have usually been right. I am alive today and own three paid for farms because I was right more often than I was wrong. When I am wrong, I review until I understand why to avoid that mistake again.To be wrong is death. I don’t expect anyone to understand about the ghosts who were wrong and who still pursue me.

Yes, uawtradesman, Obama now has a license to kill any American citizen now, but he wouldn’t have the guts. He has people to do the job for him.

Thom, your comment deserves to be on court house walls.

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By: James on October 21, 2011
at 8:43 PM
It is easy to command the obedience of subjects but we must deserve the esteem and affection of friends.

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By: Thom on October 21, 2011
at 7:52 PM
to paraphrase…..
“Margaret, what kind of moron thinks that Obama destroys entire towns and kills people with a predator drone because politicians in Washington are being disagreeable?”

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By: uawtradesman on October 21, 2011
at 5:30 PM
Is Obama going to do the same thing to OWS……

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By: uawtradesman on October 21, 2011
at 5:26 PM
Yea… Obama killed another terrorist….NO trial….NO Miranda rights….maybe Bush was right……

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By: uawtradesman on October 21, 2011
at 5:23 PM
I am stating as fact the sky is blue. I am equally sure James disagrees with that statement, so why bother?

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By: Anonymous on October 21, 2011
at 4:16 PM
I report, you wrote we should take the Occupy Washington people seriously. I do, just as I took the Tea Party seriously, in the beginning. People now gone called me names for my trouble. Unfortunately for this group, the majority of voters does not support their leftist views and messy ways. It remains to be seen if they will help or hurt Obama during the next election.

You are smarter than your comments comparing our war in Libya with our other wars. That post was plain dumb and an insult to allied soldiers, including Danes and Brits who died in those wars.

You do better thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating desperate party manure.

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By: James on October 21, 2011
at 7:22 AM
Another part of the scam is the Obama administration’s giving money to questionable green companies who should be getting their financing from banks.
The administration guaranteed a $529 million loan to a car company named Fisker to build electric cars. It was touted as another source of domestic jobs as the company reduced our dependence on carbon based fuels. Its product would help fight global warming.

The firm outsourced its operation to Finnland, and so far, it has only produced two cars. The Government Accountability Office criticized the Energy Department for not keeping close enough tabs on its fleet of auto loans. There is no guarantee we will get our money back.

But never fear. Donors and others with political connections, including Al Gore are connected the to company and similar businesses are doing fine. Global warming has been very good to Al and his friends.

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By: James on October 21, 2011
at 7:10 AM
Al Gore is a fat pig using climate change for his own financial and political advantage. He has exaggerated to frighten people into believing the world will end if we fail to surrender our freedoms and money while he and his allies consume more carbon than most small towns.

I read the Climategate e mails. The climatologists discussed freezing out scientists who disagreed with them and “fixing” the data because it didn’t agree with their climate projections. The warming had paused, and they couldn’t understand why.

External forces influence our climate to a greater degree than human elements,and to blame all of our warming on humans is a redistributionist scam.

Joe Melburg 9/27/2011 wrote in the comments section of a link to the main story, “How Climate Change Deniers Won.” :If killing off whole industries and plunging millions into poverty is what you call losing nothing, then I guess you have a ;point, and if the warmers weren’t all convieniently also anti-capitalist and to the left of Marx on every other issue, maybe people wouldn’t see your political (not scientific) agenda. It is simply not science. It is politics.”

The world has been warming, but Al Gore’s version is wrong. I assume you can understand the subtle difference.

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By: James on October 21, 2011
at 6:43 AM
Climate change is real! The Koch Brothers paid this fellow $150,000.00 so he could disprove Climate Change. Result: THE STUDIES SHOWING EXTREME CLIMATE CHANGE ARE REAL!!!! The change is greater than anticipated.

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/10/climate-skepticism-takes-another-hit

In the press release announcing the results, Muller said, “Our biggest surprise was that the new results agreed so closely with the warming values published previously by other teams in the US and the UK.” In other words, climate scientists know what they’re doing after all.

OH MY! Al Gore was right again!!! Imagine that!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 21, 2011
at 5:23 AM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/jon-stewart-gop-reaction-gaddafis-death-wha

GETTING CREDIT FOR TAKING OUT GADDAFI! If you want a good laugh – check out the above link.

I will also remind you::
IRAQ (The Blundered BUSH WAR) COST A TRILLION SO FAR!!

LIBYA (Presdident Obama’s war) COST ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS!

If we are concerned about deficits – which approach should we consider better? MYSELF – I WILL TAKE PRESIDENT OBAMA ASKING OTHER NATIONS TO HELP TAKE OUT TYRANTS and cutting down the cost dramatically.

NO AMERICAN SOLDIERS WERE KILLED IN LIBYA EITHER!
Thank You President Obama for being such a quiet, but effective, bad ass.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 21, 2011
at 3:44 AM
LMFGDAO. Obama getting credit for what the rebels did. Obama Killed Gaddafi …Obama killed 1900 terrorists. ALONE! Thanks I Repost. I needed that laugh.

Obama was around during the Bush years. He was in congress taking payoffs from Fanni and Freddi.

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By: Anonymous on October 20, 2011
at 11:12 PM
OH MY, President Obama has killed 1900 terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan and THAT COMPARES TO 52 TERRORISTS KILLED DURING THE BUSH TERM!!! Oh My!!!!!

http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/bill-press-on-gops-reaction-to-gaddafis-death

Interesting: Iraq – Bush run war that has been going on for 8 years. Bush went to war alone and screwed it up royally with Rumsfeld in charge. 5000+ US Military killed in Iraq.

Libya – The PRESIDENT OBAMA RUN WAR in Libya IS OVER IN 8 MONTHS.
Obama sent planes in to start it off and then turned it over to an international team!! Other countries paid for a lot of the costs.

Thank You President Obama. Actually wish you had been around during the Bush years.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 20, 2011
at 10:10 PM
Gaddafi is dead on President Obama’s watch!!! Imagine that!!!

Let me think – Osama Bin Laden dead on President Obama’s watch – Oh My!!!

I think a few other top terrorist leaders have been taken out by the Obama Gang…. Oh My – is this a pattern?????

President Obama really is a bad ass….. Oh My!!!!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 20, 2011
at 9:33 PM
well that didn’t work right….

It’s “Show Them To Me”

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By: uawtradesman on October 20, 2011
at 3:41 PM
Occupy whatever need to be taken seriously….

“City Won’t Give ‘Occupy Charlotte’ Protesters Porta-Potties”

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2011/10/20/city-wont-give-occupy-charlotte-protesters-porta-potties/

while were on Charlotte…….remember 1968….

“Intensive riot training preps officers for DNC”

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/29518486/detail.html

and for a chuckle…..NSFW

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By: uawtradesman on October 20, 2011
at 3:06 PM
If you think you know what a reverse mortgage is, you probably don’t. A lot of people think they are a scam, but they are not! They are actually a pretty neet option. If you are over 62 and own a home (you can even have a mortgage, you just have to have some equity) you can probably get qualified for a reverse mortgage. I just did this and it is the best thing I have ever done. If you are stuggling to make ends meet, you need to look into this program!!! Visit http://www.inpiredretired.com to learn all sorts of intresting info.

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By: Milt on October 20, 2011
at 1:56 PM
I Repost, you were going to explain to me how taking the country further into debt is a good idea. I can hardly wait for your response.

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By: Anonymous on October 20, 2011
at 11:38 AM
OWS needs to be taken seriously! We need to pass the Jobs Act niow! The public supports the Jobs Bill. It is past time to get the infrastructure rebuilt and get teachers in the classrooms. Raising taxes on the wealthiest to pay for it is only fair. The gulf from the RICH TO POOR has never been wider.
(It is also time to have a speculation tax the trade of junk bonds. That and greed by the wealthiest is what crashed our economy!)

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/i-am-not-moving-powerful-short-film-by.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 20, 2011
at 8:59 AM
There was a similar bill passed in California but was targeted for Teachers. The bill passed and less than 10% of the jobs it said it would create were created and the remainder of the money went to shore up the teachers pension fund. I see similar possibilities for this money should it be foolishly passed.

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By: Anonymous on October 20, 2011
at 8:11 AM
The jobs bill is nothing more than window dressing, potentially as ineffective as the first stimulus law which failed. Even Obama joked that the shovel-ready jobs weren’t as shovel ready as they had expected.

Teachers and first responders are not the responsibility of the federal government. They are mostly locally funded. This bill would merely send money to cash-starved states who might use funds to salvage some teachers’ jobs until the government money ran out. A relatively few temp jobs will not revive our economy.

Even I report admits teachers and others would ultimately be unemployed again in two or three years with little permanent benefit to the economy.

This bill was written to save two jobs, Obama’s and Biden’s. Its emotional impact is intended to turn voters against the evil Republicans who’s cold hearts would deny our children the right to a good education while people die for lack of first responders.

Big press should be telling us the truth about the bill, and other party failings, but it is a Democratic lap dog. Their hyprocracy is especially striking when they ignore Obama’s saying he has made no mistakes. They lambasted Bush for saying the same thing.

By the standards they used to judge the Tea Party, the Occupy Wall Street group is a gang of violent, racist, anti-semetic socialists.

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By: James on October 20, 2011
at 6:58 AM
I Repost, do you really think the unemployment issue is so minor, and that the economic crisis is so small, that this smattering of jobs will make any difference? And it isn’t a year or two or three. It is one year, period. These are not sustainable jobs. These are an additional expense to the tax payers who already have more than they can pay for.

Check your history books. Check out what the national debt, or lack there of, was back in the day, and compare it to what it is today.

Let us pretend for one moment that you have even the smallest understanding of economics. Explain to me when we are in the worst debt to GDP ratio in our country’s history, why you think going even further into debt with this socialist program is the answer.

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By: Anonymous on October 19, 2011
at 8:49 PM
It is a start. People will work for a year or two or three on rebuilding bridges and schools as well as putting teachers, policemen and firefighters to work.
THESE PEOPLE WILL SPEND MONEY which will help stores that will have to hire and more inventories will have to be ordered.

IT IS A START AND A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION KNOWS THAT IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

PASS THE JOBS BILL! HELP GET PEOPLE BACK TO WORK! Do a little reading about Herbert Hoover and his austerity measures that killed the economy to start the Great Depression.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 19, 2011
at 7:55 PM
I Repost, you need to educate yourself on this so called jobs bill. It provides funding for government jobs like police and firefighters for 1 year, then the funding is cut and it is left to the local municipalities to either find ways to fund the new employees or lay them off. This does nothing for private sector growth. It does nothing to stimulate the economy in any meaningful way. It is just another tax payer expense. Taking money that could go to other social programs for the poor you so often advocate.

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By: Anonymous on October 19, 2011
at 8:58 AM
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/president-obamas-jobs-bill-enjoys.html

Current Polling for President Obama’s jobs bill shows strong support,

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 19, 2011
at 7:30 AM
HI delurkergurl. Thanks for the good thoughts. I thought I’d be gone a long time. Best Buy told us our computer was being sent away for maybe a month. No one had asked what we wanted to do, so we were prepared to protest. My wife was especially ready to maul bystanders.

Then, we discovered someone had made a mistake and confused our computer with someone else’s computer. It was ready to go home.

I was out on the flooded farm checking to see if there were more stranded fish to rescue and visited with our neighbor and her four-year old grand daughter who thinks I walk on water.She was checking on her house and cleaning. The house is in fairly good shape, though it has settled so much doors can’t be closed all the way.

New opportunities are already springing up to take our minds of our lives’ change of focus, but you can imagine how empty I feel. However, I feel really bad for people with up to eight feet of sand on their land. Others have deep trenches.
Whenever the wind blows, it looks like a ground blizzard as the sand drifts.

From what I know of him, Dan Weldon was, as you wrote, a good man and one of the sport’s biggest boosters. I usually rooted for him. He had a good family, and the suddeness was no doubt, especially hard on them. Many drivers and others were crying. Ashly Judd was trying without success to comfort her husband, also a top driver.

Danica Patrick said she had a premonition and held back a bit just before the crash. She was also crying as her husband tried to comfort her.

Thanks again.

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By: James on October 16, 2011
at 7:21 PM
Hi James. I’m sorry about your farm. I’d have said something sooner but I’m am not here much and by the time I saw your news I also saw the post that said you’d be gone for a while. I’m sure you’ll embrace whatever opportunities you turn up, but changes that are outside of your control are still hard.

I saw news of that horrific crash. I’ve never heard of him as I’m not a racing fan, but people are speaking very highly of him. So young, and with a beautiful family, too. Such an awful thing.

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By: delurkergurl on October 16, 2011
at 6:37 PM
Indianapolis 500 winner Dan Weldon died in a horrendous fifteen car crash in Los Vegas. Three others were hospitalized. At the end, the surviving drivers drove slowly around the track in formation as crew members and others stood next to the track and a bag pipe played Amazing Grace.

It was the last race of the season and determined the points champion. The race was also Danica Patrick’s last. She will be driving in NASCAR next season.

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By: James on October 16, 2011
at 6:02 PM
alaskapi, you and my wife would get along fine. She says I do too many crazy things, and she wants to keep me around.

I like the tube, tunnel idea. Maybe we should try it. I plant tomatoes and melons in peat boxes in our house around the first of April. Occasionally, we have put a few tomatoes inside in five gallon pails. One produced tomatoes at Christmas. Both died in March.

I don’t think it is silly to work hard to see what will work. It is a challenge to meet. I have kept string beans alive and producing until early November in warm years. My brother kept tomatoes and peas alive until Thanksgiving, but that was an unusual year. I never thought I would be picking tomatoes after our Thanksgiving dinner. On cold nights, we put tarps or blankets over the plants and place pans of boiling water around the plants.

Does your climate let you raise sweetcorn? What about melons? What sort of berries grow in your and the Bristol Bay area? Can wild raspberries grow there?

I know interior regions such as Fairbanks get thunderstorms and hail. What about where you live? Is it more like the Pacific Northwest coastal areas where thunderstorms are uncommon? Do you and your friend in the Bristol Bay area have a similar climate? What are your extremes? Ours are from about 110 to -40 over a period of years and 105 to -25 in any given year. We average about 25 inches of precipitation per year, and the total has been slowly rising.

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By: James on October 16, 2011
at 1:25 PM
james-
I’m with your wife on the get-yourself- out thingy 🙂
We had 2 frosts and a couple of autumn storms with winds around 60mph in Sept which put an end to much of growing. The biggest fight here though is in maintaining daytime soil temps sufficient for growing from about Aug 15 on. Same on the other end of the growing year… lots of light by mid March but temps still in the freezer.
Low tunnel setup
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/Low-Tunnels-Quick-Hoops.aspx
allowed for me to start stuff outside at the end of March and be eating fresh greens by the 1st of May (fully 4-6 weeks ahead of the norm) and to still have fresh food here in mid Oct- over a month later than normal.
It may seem silly to work so hard to see what will work but given that all food here, except fish, comes in from 1000 miles away and multiple days on a barge it seems worth it to me.
Besides I’m in a semi-competition with a friend in Bristol Bay area , sinilar latitude, different longitude , to see who can extend the growing season the most. I have only cussedness on my side. She and her husband have real need. They get mail planes twice a week weather-permitting and barges only twice a year usually. Fresh food is a luxury out there after berry and wild greens season.

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By: alaskapi on October 16, 2011
at 9:02 AM
CAN I GET AN AMEN!

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By: Anonymous on October 16, 2011
at 8:04 AM
Thank you Alaskapi. Yes, it is hard. You know how it is. The land owns you, but business trumps emotion.

Someday, I hope we can take you out for lunch. You live in a beautiful part of the world.

You might enjoy the official LOVE 146 Flash Mob-Can you see me? on you tube. Unlike most flash mobs this one was planned to publicize a Christian- oriented charity working to stop child exploitation. The performers were stars and dancers in London’s West End theaters, and . Annie Lenix wrote the song. They performed on Trafalger Square last April.

Best Buy mistook our computer with another, so we got it back yesterday.

Congratulations on your successful garden.

Our first freeze came around Sept. 16 but our garden survives because we have covered it at night. Our tomatoes are finally producing well, and we have a nice crop of beets and carrots. The rest of our garden has matured and gone.

We had an adventure yesterday morning. About thirty acres of our land is still under water. Fish are being trapped in puddles as the water retreats. I decided that since we now have a flood- enhanced lake, we should save some of the fish and put them in our new lake.

My wife thought I was silly, but she went along in case I got into trouble. I didn’t understand why. What could happen? I put boards on the mud and carried two five gallon pails with me to the puddles. I used a shovel to scoop up fish and mud for the pails. Then, I tried to hand the pails to my wife.

The boards were submerged beneath the mud and water. I nearly got stuck as I carried the pails to dry land. Then, I used the shovel to pry the boards out of the mud. They were so slippery I had trouble holding them. Meanwhile, I sank lower and lower into the mud as mammoths did in the La brea Tar Pits. I was stuck. The harder I tried, the deeper I went. I asked my wife to help me pull myself out, but she said “you got yourself into this mess. Get yourself out. I don’t want to ruin my shoes.”

While my wife walked back a quarter of a mile to get the spade, I dug myself out with a grain shovel. I escaped before her return, but my legs were covered with stinky mud. Before the morning ended, we had hauled six gallons of fish and baby craw fish four miles to our new lake.

Later, my eye doctor and her nurse laughed when I told the story. She said ” I can just hear your wife saying that.” Five minutes later she began to laugh again. As I left for the waiting room where my wife was, the nurse yelled “Stay out of the mud!”

Delurkergurl’s cocoa would have tasted fine after that adventure.

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By: James on October 15, 2011
at 11:03 PM
My best back at you Delurkergurl!
Cocoa sounds wonderful! Is also a wet blustery day here, snow is down to about 1800 ft, won’t be long until it’s down here at sea level.
Garden is almost down for winter. Spuds are dug. Got high yield from the German Butterball variety I planted this year.
Experiment with low tunnels has worked well- I still have 4 kinds of lettuces growing and a last batch of sugar snap peas. Gardening here in Southeast is touchy and every success feels like winnig a championship 🙂
My best to you and that gonna-be-champs team.
My best to all who visit here especially Helen and Margaret who have allowed us this space to shoot our mouths off.
House here is full of smells of roasting potatoes and pumpkin bread- Yup, fall is truly here!

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By: alaskapi on October 15, 2011
at 7:20 PM
Hi Alaskapi and Cynthia. Sure hope you’re having a great fall weekend! It’s blustery here. I brought a vat of cocoa to our football game today for our players and any other kid that was within earshot, and was the most popular mom there. Even coach was excited about it. 🙂 Life is soooo good. Next weekend is the championship game, and I’m looking for great tailgate party recipes for after we win.:D

My best to you both, and of course to Margaret and Helen! A new post would be so appreciated! 4.4 million hits here – clearly you’re on to something!

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By: delurkergurl on October 15, 2011
at 4:26 PM
the Government Accountability Office to audit the Fed’s lending programs during the financial crisis.

As a result of this audit, the American people have learned that the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in low-interest loans to every major financial institution in this country, huge foreign banks, multi-national corporations, and some of the wealthiest people in the world.

In other words, when Wall Street was on the verge of collapse, the federal government acted boldly, aggressively, and with a fierce sense of urgency to save our financial system from collapse with no strings attached.

Now that the middle class is collapsing and a record-breaking 46 million Americans are living in poverty, the Federal Reserve has failed to act with the same sense of urgency to make sure that small businesses receive the affordable loans needed to put millions of Americans back to work and prevent millions of Americans from losing their homes.

As a result, Wall Street is back to making record-breaking profits, handing out record-breaking compensation packages, and taking the same risks that caused the financial crisis in the first place. Meanwhile, 25 million Americans are unemployed or under-employed; middle class families are making $3,600 less than they did ten years ago; the foreclosure rate is still breaking new records; and the American people are still paying over $3.40 for a gallon of gas.

The financial crisis and the jobs crisis have demonstrated to the American people that we now have a government that is of the 1 percent, by the 1 percent and for the 1 percent, as Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz eloquently articulated. The rest of the 99 percent are, more or less, on their own. We now have the most unequal distribution of wealth and income of any major, advanced country on earth. The top one percent earn more income than the bottom 50 percent and the richest 400 Americans own more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/12-6

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 15, 2011
at 10:32 AM
Only to people like Cynthia who go out of their way to be a complete bitch without cause. Dont like what I post, call me on it, insult me personally in the course of doing that, I will return the favor in kind.

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 5:51 PM
” Now get your ass back in the kitchen where it belongs.”
————————-
And you are?
and think you can buckle your swash at folks why?

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By: alaskapi on October 14, 2011
at 5:00 PM
eludes me? – are you sure it is just me?

On me way back to the kitchen I stopped and picked some nice ripe, juicy barn apples; they are perfect this time of year just to bake you a nice big barn apple pie, master.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 14, 2011
at 3:26 PM
that would be yours Cynthia. As ever the obvious eludes you. Now get your ass back in the kitchen where it belongs.

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 3:10 PM
Can always count on Anonymous/ Noah/Dumb Ass to prove he has nothing important to add at M&H.

“let the inner bitch out” – would that be yours or mine?

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 14, 2011
at 3:03 PM
Can always count on Liberals like Cynthia to let the inner bitch out.

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 2:22 PM
“Even those friendly to Liberals are coming down on Obama. Cats out of the bag folks.”

The Economist: Obama Is the American Version of Putin
Don Irvine — June 22, 2010

Really sloooow cat? Great BIG bag? or just a really, really slow, big DUMB ASS???

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 14, 2011
at 2:15 PM
Even those friendly to Liberals are coming down on Obama. Cats out of the bag folks.

http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/the-economist-obama-is-the-american-version-of-putin/

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 12:36 PM
I have been a bit confused about what this occupy wall street thing has been about. Took some time but I finally found a video explained it all to me.

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 10:53 AM
Fast and the Furious. More lies by this administration. Can’t even keep their stories straight enough to stop from busting themselves.

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 10:42 AM
When the California-based solar energy company Solyndra went bankrupt this year, we lost thousands of jobs and over half a billion dollars in taxpayer funds.

The Obama administration’s handling of Solyndra could likely be dismissed as poor judgment if not for two key facts.

First, a Department of Energy official (and Obama bundler) lobbied the White House to push through the taxpayer-funded loan for Solyndra despite promises to recuse himself completely. The reason he was supposed to butt out? His wife works for a law firm representing Solyndra!

Second, the Department of Energy modified Solyndra’s loan to protect private investment over the investment of taxpayer dollars. The Treasury Department warned that this could very well be illegal, yet the Department of Energy failed to consult with the Justice Department!

Clearly this amounts to corrupt cronyism in the federal government, and the taxpayers are left holding the bag! Solyndra’s executives even pleaded the Fifth when they were called to testify before Congress!
—-Todd Cefaratti

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 10:37 AM
When did we become so jaded to our politicians that we allow them to be this blatantly hypocritical that we dismiss it as being silly. I would assume the answer would be, when it serves our purpose I suppose.

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 10:24 AM
James-
Best wishes to you and your wife. I cannot imagine what it really means or feels like to walk away from something which has informed and framed your whole life . I’m glad there was a choice for you though and that you will be ok financially. That’s not always the case.
WHEN you visit Alaska, be sure to add beautiful Southeast to your list
http://www.blacklabmuttphotography.com/Landscapes/Landscapes/11719879_hQFG4w#1514367909_qVZ3brb

Dear Helen and Margaret-
Thank you for having us all in.
We do get silly when there’s been a long lag in hearing from you.

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By: alaskapi on October 14, 2011
at 10:09 AM
For the M & H eulogy I would like to offer up the words from your blessed Messiah, so that we may forever be able to hold both in their proper context.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006!

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 8:28 AM
—-^——–^————-^——————————————————————————————————————————————M & H, please note the time of death. I would like to welcome you all now to the I Repost page.

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By: Anonymous on October 14, 2011
at 8:22 AM
Liberals are destroying America!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 14, 2011
at 8:10 AM
Juanita Jean is talking again… Juanita Jean and Helen are favorites.
http://juanitajean.com/

Turn Out The Lights
October 13, 2011

I’ve come to believe that Anita Perry is as repulsed by Rick Perry as I am.

Now, I’m not saying she doesn’t have every reason to be. Best I can figure Rick Perry probably showers with his laser sited .380 Ruger just in case that creepy guy from Psycho shows up. Or a doddle bug wanders in just asking for a fight. I mean, cleaning Rick’s misfires off the walls has to be a burden.

And you know there’s mornings at the breakfast table where she wants to push his grapefruit right into his face and holler, “Quit moving your lips and pointing at the words when you read the newspaper, dammit.” Bless her heart, the poor woman only has one nerve left and Rick’s obviously getting all over it.

So, in the passive-aggressive way that some Texas women have honed to an art form, she goes out and says stuff like him needing to improve his debating and that he’ll be “better prepared next time,” making him seem like a first grader who failed a spelling test. She might as well open her purse and show everybody that his winkie is in there.

She has to be passive-aggressive about this because her husband’s political backers gift wrap the paycheck for her $60,000 a year “job.”

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 13, 2011
at 8:39 PM
Ha Ha uawtradesman!!!

Today is my birthday so what better time for “nooner” or afternoon delight”? Our computer is sick and will be gone for maybe a month. You won’t be hearing much from me for awhile.

We are also very busy. Next Thursday, I have to present our board of supervisors with a certificate and give a little speech for the newspapers. I’m looking forward to the cake afterward.

Thanks for the good thoughts uawtradesman and Noahwestmichigan. Yes, it is hard to give up a family business. If you are like us, I imagine it is almost like losing a child.

Some of the land has been in the family since an ancestor bought it as swamp ground in 1853. My wife and I worked very hard to buy it all plus some more, and family tradition dictated that another generation would carry on our unbroken chain.

We knew it would end with us, because the children took other jobs, but my father farmed until he was 92, so I thought we would last longer than we have. Once the flood is behind us, we will be alright financially, but it feels strange knowing someone else will be farming all of our land.

I’m not going to bottle up or dwell on my sadness, because to do otherwise would be unhealthy. You two and so many others have faced far worse than we. I send good wishes back to you.

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By: James on October 13, 2011
at 1:56 PM
A Washington Post-Bloomberg News poll conducted Oct. 6-9 found that 68 percent of all voters and 54 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning voters favored raising taxes on incomes above $250,000 (i.e., the Obama plan) to tackle the deficit. On the question of whether to reduce Social Security or Medicare benefits to reduce the deficit, 83 and 82 percent, respectively, of all voters opposed. For Republicans and Republican-leaners, these proportions were only slightly lower: 79 and 77 percent, respectively. Entitlement spending will have to be cut, of course, to reduce the deficit, because entitlement spending represents a majority of all federal spending. (Only one-fifth of federal spending resides in the “non-defense discretionary” category currently being whittled to the bone.) But that option is pretty unpopular with just about everyone and it is therefore politically unwise for Republican politicians to try to balance the budget through spending cuts alone.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/even-republican-voters-support-tax-hi

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 12, 2011
at 9:01 PM
James….I hope you(plural) enjoy yourselves now…..mention noon-er to her every now and then

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By: uawtradesman on October 12, 2011
at 6:19 PM
anon….WTF are you talking about…..what bigoted slurs are you talking about……maybe I missed something…….are you upset because some people don’t agree with you??????….well.I’m upset because I only rolled a 572 at bowling last night….

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By: uawtradesman on October 12, 2011
at 6:12 PM
OH MY, OH MY
President Obama polling numbers have GONE UP in the last month..
People actually like the American Jobs Act?
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/

Favorability rating: UP 11 points Job approval rating: UP 6 points Poor David Nir at Daily Kos just can’t explain it. “I can tell you what changed in our cross-tabs,” he says, “but I can’t tell you why things changed.” It’s a complete mystery why the president could possibly be surging to him? I’ma go out on a limb and say four simple words: The. American. Jobs. Act. Pass it. Now.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 12, 2011
at 8:24 AM
my +++++ went nuclear.

I would kindly ask you to keep your bigoted slurs off the board. Thanks in advance.

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By: Anonymous on October 11, 2011
at 8:14 PM
Juanita has something to say: Listen up folks
http://juanitajean.com/

Rev. Jeffers and Rick Perry
October 11, 2011

Like most folks, I watched Rev. Robert Jeffers of the First Baptist Church of Dallas and my gaydar went nuclear and melted down to a pile of manure. On the upside, it was very glittery pile of manure.

Well, customer Sam did some checking and discovered that Rev. Jeffers and the First Baptist Church of Dallas ought to be on Rick Perry’s payroll. Not only does Rev. Jeffers endorse Perry on the freeking 50(c)3 website, but even puts in on the front page.

Here’s a screen shot I took before their lawyers alerted them about tax exemptions. Click the little one to get the big one.

Momma is a Baptist but, but as she constantly says when asked what religion she is, “not THAT kind of Baptist.” She is the Bill Moyers kind of Baptist. She voted for Obama and will do it again. She don’t need any prissy high livin’ silk suit slick talkin’ preacher man telling her how to vote. She will read what Jesus has to say and vote accordingly. She is THAT kind of Baptist.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 11, 2011
at 7:20 PM
James, sorry to hear you had to give up the family farm. It was difficult when we had to make the decision to close the doors on our family business, and I can imagine how much harder it would be with a family homestead added to that. I hope you find a way to make an opportunity out of this. While we were cleaning up our financial mess I found some backers and started my not for profit venture. While I am not as wealthy as I once was, I certainly look more forward to getting up everyday and opening the doors. The wife and I will keep you in our thoughts.

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By: noahwestmichigan on October 11, 2011
at 11:32 AM
So now the right wing are bragging that they set up some of the more provocative encounters in the DC protests. Interesting. The 99 percent group really are non violent? Sure sounds like it.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/american-spectator-editor-admits-infiltrat

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 11, 2011
at 7:47 AM
Thanks uawtradesman. I’m still in mourning, but we will be all right.

My wife retired from teaching in June. We plan to travel and enjoy ourselves when we can. We are also active in several historical preservation organizations, a town and country arts group, and I research stories for a local news paper and economic development news letter.

My ambition is to see Alaska.

I have a lot of respect for you and what you have endured.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 8:10 PM
Au contrair, Jsri. YOU reaped what you sowed, because you weren’t paying attention. That day, was priceless. It was equivalent to a hunter’s returning to his car to discover a deer had already tied itself to the roof.

Had you paid attention, you would have known I earned a MA with thesis AND nine hours toward a PhD. My committee was already making suggestions for my expanding the MA to a PHD. I did it in four semesters. My 3.70 cumulative average was undoubtably lower than yours, but it wasn’t bad for a country rube like me. They were disappointed when I dropped out.

If I were you, I’d question my own writing skills. You haven’t shown us much of quality. If what you described was the intended essence of your comment, you need some remedial help. The fact that I told you I was already working on my PHD made your comment irrelevant when applied to me.

Again, you strapped yourself to the roof of my car. I understand why you avoid me. I usually get the better of you. Look at the record.

Thanks for the comments. You have done wonders for my disposition.

I eat anything for breakfast from corn on the cob to frozen chocolate cupcakes.

Donna, I like those teams too, but you probably follow them closer than I. How do you think Nebraska will do in the Big Ten? I had my doubts because their previous victories this season were not pretty. Had they played stronger teams they would have lost or won by narrower margins. After Wisconsin, I was worried about a downward spiral.

Of course, Ohio had some problems with suspended players and a crucial injury late in the first half which coincided with the Nebraska rally, so I’m not sure about their long term chances this season.

I miss the Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry.

Do you think Auburn will take long to recover from their loss to Arkansas?

Thanks for the good thoughts, poolman. As you write, many of us face challenges. My best wishes to you.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 7:59 PM
James…sorry about the farm….. it sounds like a retirement decision…..play hard and don’t sit down…….enjoy yourself(selves)….I had a decision like that myself when my son was 5…..you can work 7/12’s in the factory or farm…you can’t do both…..tried but I finally gave in…..

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By: uawtradesman on October 10, 2011
at 7:23 PM
James on October 10, 2011 at 7:22 AM

You said of me: “One of my favorite moments “here” occurred when he in effect claimed I found my MA in a breakfast Cracker Jack box. NOP and others took him to task because Jsri appeared to be insulting state universities.”

As usual you completely bungled the essence of my comment. What I actually said was that when PhD programs have a less than stellar student they will often offer a MA or MS as a terminal degree and withhold recommending the candidate for further study either at the home institution or at another place. This applies to top tier institutions as well as state institutions.

If you characterize your MA as coming from a “breakfast Cracker Box” then so be it. That was not my comment but I have to admit that I didn’t know people ate cracker Jacks for breakfast. That’s your impression but I’m not surprised.

It is pretty obvious that you are not a product of the Iowa Writers Workshop.

FYI James, I have no interest in engaging you in a discussion at any level and have purposely avoided doing so until you took it upon yourself to drag me into discussions I would prefer to ignore. As a farmer, I’m surprised that you don’t understand the relationship between what you reap and what you sow.

And as for me being “Da Judge” you are off target by a mile. I don’t sneak around hiding my identity like others you favor on this blog,

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By: jsri on October 10, 2011
at 5:01 PM
James–I happen to think Nebraska is great!! I like them, Auburn, Oklahoma, and those crazy Ducks.

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By: Donna on October 10, 2011
at 4:43 PM
Sorry about your farm, James. This has been a real transition year for many of us. A time to reaffirm priorities and reassess our individual faith. Change is often uncomfortable and usually unwelcome. Many times we are forced into change, while on our own we don’t generally risk. I pray God will help you see His continued provision and guide you in the new direction for your life.

I won’t argue the Jesus existence/nonexistence or liberal/conservative aspect of your previous post at 6:40am. I will agree many have hijacked His words and affix various opinions including misrepresentations to them.

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By: poolman on October 10, 2011
at 4:35 PM
Thanks Donna. Yes, its like a family member died, even though it was a good business decision. I feel awful .

Strangely, that Love146 flash mob video I mentioned has a good effect on me. I’ve stood where they made the video in Trafalgar Square so many times, it is almost like being “home” again.

You asked when discussion was heated does anyone want to discuss football, the movies…? Did you hear about the Nebraska-Ohio football game? The score was 27 to 6 at the end of half time, and Nebraska beat Ohio 34 to 27, a university record.

Now, we are off to an historic preservation meeting.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 4:29 PM
James–I am so sorry about the farm. That’s a real kick in the gut.

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By: Donna on October 10, 2011
at 4:05 PM
Repeat post, sorry about that.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 10:30 AM
The Working Parties of New York is advertising on Craigs list for protesters and other workers to help the Wall Street demonstrators. They are paying $350 to $650 per week to personable, articulate people.

True or not, one blogger reports George Soros supported MoveOn.org is advertising for people to pose as demonsrators and police officers to create inflamatory incidents. Impersonating a law enforcement officer is against the law.

At least the Kock brothers didn’t do that, or if they did they hid it better. This is capitalism, anyone has the right to earn as much as he/she wants as long as it is legal.

The media would have paid a million dollars to prove such a charge against the Tea Party movement.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 10:28 AM
Sir-Links-Alot, aka I Repost. Post to your hearts content, but spend a minute or two on a topic, and respond to those taking the time to take your posts seriously. You come off as a wacko Liberal hack with this diarrhea of posting that you do. People are showing you enough respect to engage your posts, show them the same respect and respond

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By: Anonymous on October 10, 2011
at 10:14 AM
The Working Parties of New York is advertising on Craigs list for protesters and other workers to help the Wall Street demonstrators. They are paying $350 to $650 per week to personable, articulate people.

One blogger reports George Soros supported MoveOn.org is advertising for people to pose as demonsrators and police officers to create inflamatory incidents. Impersonating a law enforcement officer is against the law.

At least the Kock brothers didn’t do that, or if they did they hid it better. This is capitalism, anyone has the right to earn as much as he/she wants as long as it is legal.

The media would have paid a million dollars to prove such a charge against the Tea Party movement.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 9:59 AM
The Koch Brother and how they change the laws so they can poison our water and buy our elections. Must be nice to born with Billions into a bank account. Funny though, that is never enough – they won’t stop until the are the wealthiest on earth. We may well end up with no drinkable water in the process. Oh right, we could pay big money for a water purification system to clean out the toxins the Kochs put into the water.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/10/rigged-game.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 10, 2011
at 8:41 AM
I agree with Jsri about civility,

and he is right that insults win few converts.
We are all products of life experiences, and we are more than our religious or political beliefs.

We know about flash mobs. Most participate for fun. However, for a Christian- orientated organization called Love146, a flash mob is part of the job to destroy the evil of child exploitation. Official Love 146 Flash Mob on you tube shows them at work in Trafalgar Square, London last April.

Annie Lenox wrote the song they used, and donated sales proceeds. The group has expanded so far that on October 1, two organizers spoke at the University of Nebraska.

I think a light- hearted flash mob demonstration near Wall Street would do wonders for the prostesters’ image.

The sign the girl at the start held up asked “can you see me?” It is the question all of us ask in one form or another.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 8:19 AM
The 99% are taking on those who brought down the economy!!!
To get a 99% decal, google: 99 percent stickers.
PASS THE JOBS BILL!!!! It is past time to help the average person.
Corporate greed and speculation brought OWS about and it is not going to go away.

http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-quinnell/labor-news-and-notes-round-1

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 10, 2011
at 8:13 AM
Jsri and da Judge, who may be the same person, decry the loss of a mythical golden age of bon mots and clever reparte which set standards unknown on the forum today. Look at the record.

The only difference between then and now is the cast and balance of power have changed.

Judge looks down his patrician nose at the inferior discourse without doing anything to demonstrate that he is capable of an origional thought. He felt he was so clever to compare me to a Cro- Magnun, but he couldn’t even get that right.

Jsri, made some good points, but his anger at who he considers usurpers blinds him to the hyprocracy which rules him. One of my favorite moments “here” occurred when he in effect claimed I found my MA in a breakfast Cracker Jack box. NOP and others took him to task because Jsri appeared to be insulting state universities.

He hadn’t bothered to read my posts after he started an argument with a personal attack. Jsri beclowned and wiped floor with himself.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 7:22 AM
The expected double standard judges the Tea Party and Wall Street Protests differently. Most of the bi- coastal press reinforces the truth that they are little more than shills for the Democrats and liberal world view.

Two years ago, a few leftist plants embedded themselves within the protests to create incidents. Politicians like Nancy Pelosi lied. They tried to use isolated incidents to portray the entire Tea Party movement in a bad way. They also ignored the few leftists who physically attacked some Tea Party demonstrators.

Today, News Busters has pictures of filth the protesters left behind, and referred to a man who defecated on a police car. They also show pictures of protesters being arrested. A group in Atlanta refused to let John Lewis, a sympathizer speak. Mayor Bloomberg has said the protests are costing money and nearby residents are complaining about the noise and blocked streets.

This is unfair to the majority of peaceful protesters, but if we carry the logic of I report and others to their conclusion, these protesters are a violent, racist mob unable to clean up after themselves.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 7:00 AM
Forum events since my absence give me a chance to vent my spleen.

Jesus whether or not he still exists, is a divine being. His complexity allows one to read liberal or conservative teachings into His words. He also stated clearly that the spiritual and physical realm are separate. Thus, to cherry pick Jesus’ teachings to fit an ideological stereotype recreates Jesus into what someone wants to see for his/her own advantage.

That is idolitry.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 6:40 AM
Thanks Anon.

It has been trying. Our brother in law who nearly died with a shattered hip and other injuries a year ago still doesn’t get around well. He fell from a tractor, and as his wife, my wife’s sister, drove him to a hospital, their car hit and was nearly totaled by a deer. His hip is all right.

Thanks to the flood, we are out of the farming business. We are renting the last of our land to someone else so we will not have to dig ourselves from a potential financial hole. We have converted our farm into the equivalent of an interest bearing annuity. Someone else will shoulder the burden of debt next year. After over a hundred years, the farm as it was is dead.

I am in an ugly mood.

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By: James on October 10, 2011
at 6:29 AM
You are a lost cause I Repost, I leave you to your vomiting of posts.

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By: Anonymous on October 9, 2011
at 10:40 PM
Here is Naomi Klein – She is so amazing! Talking about Occupy Wall Street.
Ezra Klein starts it off – he is good too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/07/naomi-klein-on-occupy-wall-street_n_1000390.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 9, 2011
at 9:59 PM
http://front.moveon.org/this-powerful-clip-is-exactly-why-we-support-occupywallstreet/#.TpI_gBdquob.facebook

Here is a great link that explains the background and points about the Occupy Wall Street (OWS)

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 9, 2011
at 9:40 PM
I Repost, you are under the assumption that a person of the same faith has the capability of ordering others of that faith to a course of action. That is akin to saying all blonds vote for so and so.

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By: Anonymous on October 9, 2011
at 8:13 PM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/pastor-robert-jeffress-mitt-romney-member-c

Politically: Is Romney a Christian???? Pastor Jeffress says NO!!!!!

So, he says all Christians MUST VOTE for Perry! Funny Thing is: Both Perry and Romney were at the bottom of voters choice at the Religious Rights Hate Party held in Florida this past weekend.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 9, 2011
at 5:33 PM
Ms Grunge wouldn’t know a Jew or a Jew hater, let alone anything regarding genuine spirituality or accurate world history. Evelyn spends much of her time in pajamas, decking the halls of hatred and worshiping at the bygone altar of American exceptionalism. She is NOT a happy camper. And she bites.

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By: poolman on October 9, 2011
at 5:16 PM
Noah,

How do you reconcile with the fact that Jesus is/was probably the most famous liberal of all time and the conservatives of the time killed him? Think about it. It really makes your rant a bit absurd. Just sayin…

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By: poolman on October 9, 2011
at 5:03 PM
Wasn’t sure if Evelyn was Tex dumbed down to sound as dumb as Noah, or Noah venomed up to sound as hateful as Tex. Guess that’s been clarified.

Virtually everything you post is either slander, or outright, bald-faced lies and easily refuted.

If telling truth and correcting your many falsehoods makes one hateful DeLurker, then consider me the biggest hatemonger on the planet – another badge I wear with honor. I’ve busted your lies and propaganda so many times DeLurker, it gets boring and monotonous.

I’ll make you a challenge Delurker. If you or your pals can disprove any of these “divisive” facts that I continue to post to refute your crap, or can prove they are in error, then I promise to leave. You have my word. Surely that ought to tempt your profound sensitivity of actually discovering something of value?

Of course, I’ve noticed kind of like your buddy Cynthia, you have this incredible capacity for duplicity of judgment.

For instance DeLurker, why aren’t you out their protesting Goldman Sachs for President? You do recognize many of these “corrupt bankers” are some of Obama’s biggest supporters, don’t you? You do recognize Obama’s link to Fannie Mae, the biggest benefactor of the real estate bubble, and one for some strange reason, seems to be getting a pass from you 99%’ers? Or is that hateful too?

Fortunately, Donna’s smart enough to spot divisive bait.

That’s good. Because with one quick perusal of Rutherford Lawson’s blog, Donna would quickly discern your pal Poolman is one of the most egregious and obvious Jew haters on the planet, even linking to Aryan Brotherhood sites before being called on it there. It would make an interesting test of judgment and honesty.

Why don’t you simply admit DeLurker that you don’t operate well out of parrot cage, don’t care to debate but require an echo chamber like your own blog, and it makes you terribly uncomfortable to be fact checked?

Then I might believe you have some marginal capacity of honesty…

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By: Evelyn "Tex' Grunge on October 9, 2011
at 4:32 PM
IMO Religion is just another target for the Desperate Liberal Nation. Fighting Conservatism has proven a dismal failure as the conservative ideology is to sound to combat with logical arguments. As the emotional argument continues to fail they need a new way to vilify the conservative movement. Religion fits nicely because it is not founded on tangible facts. Much of it is faith and historical writings. This leaves a great deal of interpretation that Liberals can turn and twist in many ways to further their cause.

I am a Christian. I support anyone, living anyway they like so long as it does not violate the human rights. I do not care if you are a Jew, a Muslim, or a Satanist. Given the opportunity I would take the chance to show and tell you why I believe my beliefs are superior to anyone else. I would never enforce those beliefs on another. To do so would fly in the face of everything I believe in.

Many on here would have you believe that as Christians, we had a direct involvement in the crusades and are looking to get round 2 going again any day now. In all my life I have never see Liberals so quick to try and discredit someone just on the basis that they have religion.

We have a men’s study group for 2 hours on Thursday evenings. We have all taken note of the growing hysteria and anger from Liberals in general. What we teach is to stand our ground, and kill them with kindness. We believe that our actions will speak louder than any lie Liberals try to hang around our necks.

Contrary to what you are told we do not want to force ourselves upon you, legislatively, legally or otherwise. We do however talk about our beliefs just as you might talk about politics, sports, or the like. It is a shame that Liberals so often try to foster fear against one group or another to use to their advantage. It makes me wonder that they would take such action if they actually thought their beliefs had any substance. It reeks of desperation.

I point this out because despite the bitter battle between Liberals and Conservatives, I have never felt this desperation. I have never felt the need to use underhanded tricks, or to manipulate words or people to further my cause. Logic alone is all I have ever needed to defend and explain my point of view. If this is all I need, and have ever needed, what is different about Liberal beliefs that make them say and do all these outlandish things to try and make others believe what they say has merit? You can only manipulate a people so long before the truth shines through any rhetoric. I hope we are coming to that point, thanks to Obama.

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By: Anonymous on October 9, 2011
at 3:27 PM
Wasn’t sure if Evelyn was Tex dumbed down to sound as dumb as Noah, or Noah venomed up to sound as hateful as Tex. Guess that’s been clarified.

Fortunately, Donna’s smart enough to spot divisive bait.

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By: delurkergurl on October 9, 2011
at 3:15 PM
And please, this time without the sanctimony of “respecting Donna” about her day of Atonement and her faith. That was the most sanctimonious, retching bunch of baloney yet.

What you respect, and this is the only thing you respect about Donna’s faith, as you’ve stated here you believe in any faith is a bunch of hocus pocus in the most derogatory of terms, is Donna’s shared choice of political candidates.

You’re so transparent, you literally shine. 🙄

Gawd, that was nauseating. ** PUKE **

Speaking of calling people on bullshit. This place smells like a cattle lot when it comes to bullshit.

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By: Evelyn "Tex' Grunge on October 9, 2011
at 2:49 PM
Not only theologically ignorant, but historically ignorant. 100% Fired Brick.

There has been more harm done in the name of religion than anything else, IMO.

I’ve heard that charge from your pal Pfesser too Cynthia. So I call you on this challenge. Not ancient history, but recent history. Good thing you admitted in was your opinion. Because recent facts say much otherwise.

Tell me what the following men had in common besides being some of history’s greatest mass murderers. All within the last 100 years.

Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Nicolae Ceaușescu have in common?

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By: Evelyn "Tex' Grunge on October 9, 2011
at 2:42 PM
Donna, I for one am glad you realize that. I am an unapologetic supporter of Israel and I speak for millions of Evangelicals – but not because of the idiotic theological propaganda from above. No doubt, our support at least partially grounded theology and history.

But if I were a nihilist, or a neopagan, or even the most immoral of libs, I would be a supporter of Israel for no other reason than the practical.

One, Israel is the only Democracy in the middle east. Two, what Israel provides to America in the way of technology, innovation, intelligence, and allegiance. Three, we share a common enemy and our common enemies don’t call us the Great Satan for nothing.

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By: Evelyn "Tex' Grunge on October 9, 2011
at 2:36 PM
Donna – My comment was to ONE individual only.

I am not Jewish but what I have read about the Day of Atonement and your first comment. I believe you were sincerely practicing what you believe. And I have great respect for you to do so.

The comment made by EG was in my opinion totally uncalled for and it is he and he alone I am calling “Bullshit” on.

Perhaps you are right to call me on it. But I said it and I stand by what I said.
What is the song…..if you don’t stand for something you will stand for anything!
There has been more harm done in the name of religion than anything else, IMO.

I think we Americans have failed to call “Bullshit!” on so many things that have happened in the last 30 years and that is why we are over our heads in bs.

You are a much bigger person than I am.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 9, 2011
at 2:36 PM
Cynthia, you can’t be that gullible or that ignorant, can you? I believe you can.

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Why would those “fundamentalist” Christians support Israel? Why I can hardly imagine?

But maybe it might be Christ was Jewish, or the first Christians were Jews, or 64 of the 66 books of the Bible were written by Jews, or that the New Testament a fulfillment of the Old Testament? Perhaps its because God made covenant with Abram telling Abraham, “I will bless those that bless you, and those that curse you, I will curse? Straight out of Genesis 12. Nah, it has to be something more diabolical, more sinister, more Republican. 😈

Like invoking Armageddon. 😈 So you think we are capable of ushering in the Revelation, huh? Or is it invoking God’s wrath? We get so confused over lib accusations. Listen darling, if we were capable of invoking God’s wrath, this entire blog would have been toast months ago. That same Bible your secular lib penned? Perhaps he or she needs to read Romans 6:23 – he or she doesn’t get that either. Nobody is saved from a physical death.

You and your ilk are not only theologically ignorant, but utterly simplistic and shallow. Bricks. Paranoid too. Some pagan like you should be frightened. But not of us. Of your father and his legion.

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By: Evelyn "Tex' Grunge on October 9, 2011
at 2:22 PM
Cynthia: Some fundamentalists do have that belief. Many do not and, in fact, disavow it publicly. To say things like “for this reason, the Fundamentalist Christians support Israel” is an unfair generalization.

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By: Donna on October 9, 2011
at 2:02 PM
I am calling “Bullshit”!

Is it a true, honest, benevolent concern for the well being of Israel?…OR…A true, self serving, selfish concern of a christian fundamentalist who believes certain events must be in place in order for rapture to occur?

IMO – Israel? Nah, not so much! Rapture? Yeah, big time…. really, really BIG time!

…..In order for most of today’s Christians to escape physical death, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel must perish, soon. This is the grim prophetic trade-off that fundamentalists rarely discuss publicly, but which is the central motivation in the movement’s support for Israel. It should be clear why they believe that Israel must be defended at all costs by the West. If Israel were militarily removed from history prior to the Rapture, then the strongest case for Christians’ imminent escape from death would have to be abandoned. This would mean the indefinite delay of the Rapture. The fundamentalist movement thrives on the doctrine of the imminent Rapture, not the indefinitely postponed Rapture…..
http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2010/06/07/christian-fundamentalists-support-israel-why/

…….Now, the key question is: Why do the Fundamentalist Christians support Israel?
Fundamentalist Christians believe that every word of the Bible is true. Their support for Israel comes directly from the Bible. Most importantly, it comes from the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible, chapters 16 to 21.

According to the Bible and the Book of Revelation, chapters 16-21, in order for the Second Coming of Christ to occur, several things must happen. First, the Jews must return to Jerusalem. That has already happened. Then, there will be a series of catastrophic events. The moon will turn to blood. Next, there will be a major battle known as the Battle of Armageddon. Satan will declare war on Jerusalem. He will effect it through the Anti-Christ. The Bible states that part of Jerusalem will be destroyed and pillaged. It also states that when all appears hopeless for the Jews, the Second Coming of Christ will occur. From the ruins a new Jerusalem will arise and all the remaining Jews who were not killed in the Battle of Armageddon will convert to Christianity.
These events all depend on one thing: The Jews must be in control of Jerusalem. The Biblical account of The Battle of Armageddon describes the Jews as bring in Jerusalem. Therefore, if the Jews do not control Jerusalem, Battle of Armageddon and thereafter the Second Coming of Christ cannot occur.

For this reason, the Fundamentalist Christians support Israel.

Some Fundamentalist Christians, including especially Jerry Falwell, believe that the attack on the World Trade Center was the first of the series of catastrophic events described in the Book of Revelation which will lead to the Second Coming of Christ. This is why immediately after the attack on the World Trade Center Falwell said that the attack was “God’s punishment”. Falwell later apologized for this statement, but he has since said different versions of the same thing many times. This is now part of his regular sermon……
http://www.anusha.com/usisrael.htm

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 9, 2011
at 1:52 PM
Here are 5 ideas being discussed at the Occupy Wall Street gatherings.

1. Corporations are not People!
2. Money is not Speech
3. Tax Financial Transactions (Speculation of gas, housing and food has unfairly raised the cost of those, and other, products.)
4. Tax all income as ordinary income! (Hedge Fund folks have been getting off like bandits.)
5. Declare a moratorium on foreclosures.

I am curious what the final outcome will be. I am pleased that the 99% will force themselves at the table though.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152654/5_new_rules_for_an_economy_that_works?page=3

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 9, 2011
at 1:08 PM
I see some great people coming and doing a great job of expressing the concerns of the 99%. I like the fact that the message is taking time to settle in, they are taking lots of people attending the gathering, without amplified sound.

Naomi Klein is so great!!

Jesse Lagreca is doing a great job of explaining the plight of the average man and he was on a national talk show.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jesse-lagreca-calls-out-corporate-media-ig

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 9, 2011
at 12:24 PM
It’s good to see OWS finally getting some real coverage, though the focus seems foolishly centered on the fringe element. Here’s hoping the fringe doesn’t end up usurping the thing like what happened to the tea party.

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By: delurkergurl on October 9, 2011
at 11:52 AM
Occupy WALL STREET is not going away! It will expand.

The American Revolution started with people meeting and protesting unfair treatment of the colonists by the King of England. It started as a loose grassroots movement and gained leadership and strength. The voices of Occupy Wall Street echo the same dissatisfaction of an overlord disregarding the people that make their bread and butter. They cannot accrue their wealth without the labor of the people, without the consumption by the people. The Financial District has taken the lion’s share. They have not been satisfied with that. They want more. Our message to them is: THERE IS NO MORE TO GIVE.

Pass the JOBS BILL!!! It is time to put people back to work AND IT IS FULLY PAID FOR!!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 9, 2011
at 10:51 AM
NEW RULES LINK HERE – Republican Racism? Of course not.
Only Reverse Racism is to be discussed!

http://www.mockpaperscissors.com/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 9, 2011
at 9:15 AM
NEW RULE – Republicans are not Racist – they said so. VERY GOOD!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-in-modern-republican-party-denying-racism-is-the-new-racism/

The truth hurts

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 9, 2011
at 8:59 AM
You mean Juanita Jean the theologian, who like many of this board doesn’t recognize the Book of the Revelation is singular? Sounds like some deep seated theology to me.

You people at Juanita Jeans can yourselves the Mother Theresa or Billy Graham if you wish, but that doesn’t change the fact your claims are transparently farcical – pure smoke.

You know how one knows when libs are desperate and the bucket of lies has been emptied? When they go to quoting books of the Bible (they most often deny) as a defense of their failed policies. Predictable as the sun rising. If it weren’t so transparently comical with all of their blatant falsehoods mixed in in support of Caesar Obama and their flavor of social justice, it could be called apostasy. As it is, it’s just puerile humor.

It’s like Donna wishing Poolman best wishes, when on another board, Poolman links to StormFront and Veteran’s Today – both sites calling for the destruction of Israel. Guess the Hezbollah Gazette isn’t translated to English. 😉

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By: Evelyn Grunge on October 8, 2011
at 10:15 PM
I Repost, you have a day of reckoning when you time is up on this earth, and I hope the misrepresentation that you are doing on your fellow Christian hangs heavily on your soul.

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By: Anonymous on October 8, 2011
at 9:55 PM
From: Andy Borowitz Report
MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report) – A looming presidential race between a black guy and a Mormon is creating a major quandary for America’s bigots, a new poll reveals.

According to the poll, conducted by the University of Minnesota’s Opinion Research Institute, a broad majority of likely bigot voters “strongly agreed” with the statement, “If it winds up being between a black guy and a Mormon I don’t know what I’ll do because I don’t know which I hate more.”

Tea Party activist Eldin Brazelton of Oak Park, Illinois, expressed a frustration typical of the bigots surveyed: “We’ve spent the last three years stirring up anger towards a black guy, and that’s all going to go to waste if we just up and nominate a Mormon.”

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 8, 2011
at 9:14 PM
http://juanitajean.com/
The Super DeLuxe Brand Christians
October 08, 2011 By: Juanita Jean Category: Uncategorized

As most of you know, I am a person of faith. But, I am the regular kind of Christian. You know, the ones who sin and fall short of the glory of God. The ones who have backsliding blisters on their butts. The ones who think the Sermon on the Mount had more of a message on how to live than the entire book of Leviticus. The ones who find comfort in the Psalms, not the ravings of Revelations.

The War of the Christians has begun.

Jeffers: Moral, decent men belong in hell
While Rick Perry says he judges not the hearts of men, yet he sends out his manservants to proclaim the evils of sorcery.

Rick Perry does not believe Mormonism is a cult. But he’s not going to condemn his brand-new endorser who does.

That’s the word from Team Perry after Southern Baptist Convention chief and Texas pastor Robert Jeffress endorsed Perry at the Voters Values Summit Friday and immediately set about claiming Mitt Romney is a member of a cult and is not a Christian.

But he that he thought Mitt was a moral and decent man.

Okay, so here’s a guy who believes that the world is 6,000 years old and God put older rocks here to test our faith because God likes pop quizzes. Here’s a guy who believes that women should be overseen by their husbands, and that four horsemen are coming to resurrect the dead because three aren’t enough. And he’s calling someone else a cult member?

I have a question. If there’s a dogma fight, will squirting the water hose on them stop it? And will Michael Vick place bets on the outcome?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 8, 2011
at 8:58 PM
Really? Here I thought our government was having a budget crisis!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/08/california-dream-act_n_1001828.html?ncid=webmail2

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By: Anonymous on October 8, 2011
at 8:02 PM
Yom Kippur? Are you familiar with the name Gilad Atzmon, Donna? I’m almost sure you must be if you are Jewish. One who believes in a one state solution for Israel? Or should I say without Israel’s existence?

Do you know that you are praising a blatant, Jew hating, anti-Semite, Donna? One who believes in the destruction of Israel, who just happens to go by the name Poolman?

Perhaps on your day of forgiveness (and debt), you’ll allow me to introduce you to a link that Poolman ends with a smile on another blog.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/07/gilad-atzmon-the-jew-only-panic-mobile-technology/

You don’t seem to be much of a judge of “real” character Donna. And my I say by the authority of your Torah, liberalism is an anathema. Tsk tsk…

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By: Evelyn Grunge on October 8, 2011
at 6:10 PM
Well I hope this public airing of your personal demons, again, helps you to better keep your word Donna. Somehow if it was really sincere, you would not have needed to make so public a spectacle of yourself. Just saying.

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By: Anonymous on October 8, 2011
at 4:51 PM
jsri and Poolman: How nice to see you both. To have you two, and Delurker, and alaskapi here warms my heart.

It’s Yom Kippur. My husband is at the second service and I am puttering around. It occurs to me on this day of atonement how many times I have spoken with anger here against another poster or out of vanity. That was wrong and I regret it. When I have given some of those folks a chance (hi, James and Pfesser), I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how wrong I was.

There are a few people here–fortunately very few–who are consistently unpleasant and who don’t, in my opinion, serve any constructive purpose with their posts. They rationalize hateful messages by saying that it was “earned,” as though the rightness of their own actions is to be measured by the lowest common denominator they can cite. They claim they come here to “discuss,” but their comments are the opposite of anything intended to encourage discussion. And there are those who openly acknowledge that they come here to try to upset and hurt people they will never meet, because they disagree with their point of view. They think it’s funny to be offensive to strangers.

I am finished engaging with those people because it only diminishes me to do so. For the rest of you, who try to be decent and kind and funny, I am happy to bat around ideas, share music, and otherwise appreciate this forum. My hope is that some of the others who left here in disgust with the minority’s actions will return.

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By: Donna on October 8, 2011
at 3:23 PM
I think you are making an invalid assumption that the purpose is conversion. I get my best ideas in discussion, agreement or disagreement is almost always besides the point.

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By: Anonymous on October 8, 2011
at 1:03 PM
I never thought I’d quote Mitt Romney, after having lived in Masachusetts while he was governor there, but he said in a speech at the Values Voters Summit yesterday, “Poisonous language doesn’t advance our cause. It’s never softened a single heart nor changed a single mind.” And I can think of no place more appropriate than this blog to paste those words.

Unfortunately a small cadre of posters here seem to think that rancorous and offensive depictions of those who don’t believe as they do is the way to make an argument. Their hatred is palpable and the scroll wheel turns out to be your only protection. It has come down to the level where whoever conjures up the most vulgar characterization is the winner. But nothing could be further from the truth. They only reveal themselves to be immature losers.

I’ve been staying away from this blog for the past month or so but today when I returned, I found that little had really changed. Most of the difference is in the disappearance of on-line friends from all across the country I enjoyed reading about.

Among our personal friends who are still alive are representatives from a host of religious and political positions and from a broad spectrum of ethnic backgrounds. What brought us together was often a loose combination of age, common interests and shared experiences. Somewhere along the way, as we matured, we understood that discussions or arguments about religion, politics or ethnicity could easily lead to injured feelings and loss of friendship. So, whenever we get together we avoid those topics, especially politics and religion, because we all understand that no discussion or argument about either of those subjects has ever led one person we know to convert from his or her stated personal position. And I label it a “personal” position because it can’t be defined much beyond that. Most of us have arrived at it by some amalgam of family influence, education, travel, and individual experience. Trying to change it would be akin to changing one’s ethnic heritage.

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By: jsri on October 8, 2011
at 12:53 PM
Hello everyone. Helen, I hope all is well in your world. We welcome any new news or commentary you can give us.

Our world is getting much more complicated than politics can repair. I don’t see much differentiation in agendas between democrat and republican administrations. War profiteering rules the day. The Fed, including Goldman Sachs and its minions, seem to run the show either way. We need to get past all the political posturing and start tearing these corrupt institutions down. It would be good to focus the OWS protests toward the Fed and banksters. Alex Jones is doing that. I don’t see the MS media doing this movement any good. They have been trying to discredit it from the onset, taking advantage of its disorganization and fringe elements.

I haven’t read all the comments, though some have been easy to scroll over. Enjoyed the music. Stay healthy and active, people! Life is way too short for bickering with troll types.

Evelyn Grunge is merely Tex/Wayne/Jacque/Dave doing the cross-dressing thingie. 😀

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By: poolman on October 8, 2011
at 12:03 PM
No worries I’ll catch up next post. I had time to make breakfast and got part way done when the page finished loading. Lets hope for a new post soon.

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By: Anonymous on October 8, 2011
at 11:44 AM
Emmylou is such a talent. Thank you!

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By: delurkergurl on October 8, 2011
at 10:48 AM
This is a thing of beauty.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/econ-101-alan-grayson-schools-pj-orourke

Have a good day

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 8, 2011
at 10:25 AM
oh, that is wonderful! Thank you so much.

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By: Donna on October 8, 2011
at 10:05 AM
Donna- this has always been one of my favorites 🙂

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By: alaskapi on October 8, 2011
at 9:16 AM
Hey Alan West, et al –

“When there is just ONE injustice, we’ll have just ONE message!” – Occupy Wall Street/99%ers.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 8, 2011
at 9:04 AM
LOL! clogging -the-blog with hundreds of comments from dueling anonys is fine though?
My very fast internet service started choking loading this page a week or so ago.
Dear Helen-
Thank you for having us all in even though we tend not to do very well with exhibiting “company behavior”.
Hoping things are going well for you and that we hear from you soon.

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By: alaskapi on October 8, 2011
at 9:04 AM
alaskapi: Any Emmylou Harris?

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By: Donna on October 8, 2011
at 8:58 AM
Well if we are back to clogging up the blog with music video that will put me off this page. Last one was taking my slow isp forever to load.

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By: Anonymous on October 8, 2011
at 7:50 AM
Amen, Pfesser.
Lots of good conversations going on round the chaff though, just exercise your scroll finger.
Have been spending a lot of time looking at state v local jurisdictions when it comes to resource extraction here in Alaska because of the initiative in one of our home rule boroughs to try to head off permitting the proposed Pebble Mine.
One of things I have found most interesting is that our Constitution was developed with a clear anti-Dillon’s Rule
(“The theory of state preeminence over local governments was expressed as Dillon’s Rule in an 1868 case: “Municipal corporations owe their origin to, and derive their powers and rights wholly from, the legislature. It breathes into them the breath of life, without which they cannot exist. As it creates, so may it destroy. If it may destroy, it may abridge and control. ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forrest_Dillon )
frame of mind/attitude.
If this initiative passes, there will likely be the biggest argument about home rule powers v state authority we have had since we became a state .

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By: alaskapi on October 8, 2011
at 7:46 AM
Well I would feel bad PFesser if it were not for thousands of posts by these Liberal asshats ganging up on people, doing everything they could to drive people off this blog who didn’t think as they did. They are getting better than they gave and it was about time the shoe was on the other foot. Now they are more than welcome at anytime to call a truce and return to civilized dialog. Until such time I have no sympathy for this group of hags who took on more than they could chew.

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By: Anonymous on October 8, 2011
at 7:06 AM
well put, Pfesser. Anyone want to talk baseball? Football? Movies?

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By: Donna on October 8, 2011
at 6:09 AM
delurker opined:

“You’re right about the question I should have asked. I don’t have much time or energy these days for blogs these days. My first choice for blogs is no longer here. There are other blogs that have conversation that isn’t tired talking points, misplaced rage, false logic, cheap shots and bullying. Imagine that!”

Couldn’t agree more. A little reflection on how Steve Jobs lived his life when he had been diagnosed with a lethal cancer has put things in perspective.

“Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of other’s opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.” – Steve Jobs

There is no time for arguing with bigots or bullies, some of whom in typical evangelical fervor believe that force is a perfectly acceptable way to deal with those with whom you disagree.

Forget it, delurker, et al. It’s a waste of time and annoys the pig. I’d ask you where such “other blogs” are, but of course it would reveal them to the wrong folks. Au revoir.

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By: PFesser on October 8, 2011
at 5:52 AM
These people are genuine freaks of nature.
Hypocrisy Level: Off the Charts
Willingness to consider any non Liberal Opinion: Nonexistent.
Dishonest discourse: As a matter of practice.
Intellectual honesty: Never heard of it.
Integrity: Only gets in the way of being right.
Admits to ever being wrong: Zero

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By: Anonymous on October 7, 2011
at 9:55 PM
So teachers are not losing jobs?

Yes, teachers are losing jobs. So are IT professionals, med techs, engineers, architects, small business owners, real estate agents, even Wall St. financiers. But Washington D.C. seems to be doing just fine, and in fact has expanded under Obama.

Do you favor teachers, police and fireman over all other occupations? Apparently so. You forgot to add your unions sponsored by the taxpayer bailouts.

What would it take for you to admit Obama a massive failure? The complete annihilation of America? I honestly believe that many of you left-wingers would rather see America destroyed in its entirety, if we could have an election next year and Obama won. A burnt cinder of a country with a Yes We Can! sign in the middle of the ashes would have you break dancing.

There is something seriously wrong with you Margaret and Helen sycophants. Not only do you have this strange cult like allegiance to left wing politics, but you have this strange dedication to the blog owner. Is she grandma to you too?

Many of these comments read like ‘Dear Leader’ worship. Lord only knows how strange many of you are in real life. I will bet your neighbors shutter their windows.

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By: Evelyn Grunge on October 7, 2011
at 9:40 PM
So teachers lose jobs, sudents are prohibited from learning. Way to go to spawn more T Partiers. Foxworthy would get lots of yuks from that one.

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By: Anonymous MMXLIII on October 7, 2011
at 9:06 PM
I swear to God there is a Jeff Foxworthy joke about delurkergurl somewhere in all of this.

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By: Anonymous on October 7, 2011
at 8:42 PM
So teachers are not losing jobs?

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By: delurkergurl on October 7, 2011
at 8:20 PM
Do you have a point, or are you having a verbal seizure?

More like a mental seizure trying to answer the magnitude of the speciousness of your questions.

It is so obvious you have no grasp of monetary value, growth, net worth, or employment, I was just pointing out how your ideological search for reality is running on empty, and you are left with defending a failed philosophy with more failure.

Why don’t you try thinking for yourself instead of playing cheerleader and marketer for the appropriately named Crooks & Liars and this Think Progress site. What are you and they progressing to? Bankruptcy?

Do you like being a lackey?

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By: Evelyn Grunge on October 7, 2011
at 7:52 PM
Evelyn, what does that have to do with the loss of public sector jobs? I have noah idea what you’re trying to convey about my point that public sector job losses are off-setting public sector job gains. Do you have a point, or are you having a verbal seizure?

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By: delurkergurl on October 7, 2011
at 7:40 PM
Teachers, police, fire fighters, etc. Those are things I value. You?

Why no! Conservatives hate their guts.

Government cheerleaders like to pretend that all of your tax money goes to teachers, police, and firefighters. The reality is that cities like San Jose and Vallejo are paying so much to retired government workers of all kinds that they’ve had to lay off teachers, police, and firefighters.

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/11/michael-lewis-201111

Liberal insanity is wonder to behold.

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By: Evelyn Grunge on October 7, 2011
at 7:29 PM
Teachers, police, fire fighters, etc. Those are things I value. You?

Good thing you value them. Your family just inherited $35,000 worth of debt in 32 months under Obama to pay for them.

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By: Evelyn Grunge on October 7, 2011
at 7:19 PM
I am part of the 99% and if you are not you are: 1. a millionaire? 2 a billionaire?? 3. been living under a rock??? 4. a damn fool????

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By: Anonymous on October 7, 2011
at 6:59 PM
Hi Cynthia. Good to see a friendly face.

Here’s an interesting graph that shows the ‘massive government expansion’ under Obama is a lie. In fact the economy is gradually growing private sector jobs. It’s just hard that to see because of the public sector decline. Jobs lost? Teachers, police, fire fighters, etc. Those are things I value. You?

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/10/07/339231/the-era-of-shrinking-government/

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By: delurkergurl on October 7, 2011
at 6:37 PM
Very interesting article, IMO of course.

#OccupyWallSt v2: What Cross-Partisanship Must Mean

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-lessig/occupywallst-v2-what-cros_b_1000227.html

The Republic that our framers gave us does not work anymore. It does not work for the Left. It does not work for the Right. Federalist 52 promised us a Congress “dependent upon the People alone.” The last 15 years have produced a Congress dependent upon the Funders primarily. Members of Congress spend between 30% and 70% of their time raising money to get back to Congress or to get their party back in power. As they do this, they obviously — obviously — bend themselves and their policies in a way that makes it easier for them to raise money. And as they do that, they send a clear message to America. Like a father fingering his Blackberry rather than playing with his kids, Congress shows us that we don’t matter. And like that kid, we get it. 75% of Americans believe “money buys results in Congress.” Only 12% of Americans have confidence in what Congress does.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 7, 2011
at 6:25 PM
Rather than insect repellant, a more professional approach to this blog is in order. It needs Terminix to eliminate the infestation. There are so many other well written blogs and sites on the inter net, I am not inclined to trudge through so much sawdust covered bullshit to continue reading the very few remaining worthy comments here. Margaret & Helen’s blog has deteriorated into an interminable saga of drab, banal mediocrity.

I would like to add my voice to the chorus around the world who mourn the death of Steve Jobs. Without the genius of his forward-looking vision, not many of us would be sitting at our computers this very moment. The creative achievements of his short life are astonishing. He leaves a legacy never to be forgotten by generations to come.

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By: Da Judge on October 7, 2011
at 4:47 PM
Anonymous, whoever you really are.

Time for you to retire. Or get a job. Or take up hiking. Anything to keep you busy and off this site.
I’ve been coming to this site since its opening but started weaning myself from it over a year ago when it was taken over by you and the collection of hate mongers you associate with. I’ve also noticed that all the rational people have given up, probably like me, got tired of the relentless hate and invective spewed at them by you and the others of similar ilk. Actually I think you are socially inept, perhaps unbalanced, and I see no reason why anyone would want to associate with you.
It’s too bad. This used to be a fun site that got many viewpoints and opinions (contrary to your woefully warped assessment) but it is now so poisoned that no one wants to come here anymore except the whiners and haters like you.

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By: BFD on October 7, 2011
at 3:07 PM
Must not be so bad here after all delurkergurl, welcome back.

Nice bit of objective reporting, just the kind of propaganda we expect from you delurkergurl. Blaming Republicans for a practice Democrats started and perfected. I will laugh my ass off when Obama is ousted, tried for treason, and the Republicans take power and use this new club of Liberal design to drive your kind out of political power. Very short sighted thinking, and I am grateful for it.

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By: Anonymous on October 7, 2011
at 10:44 AM
Sorry if this is a duplicate.

This made my day! Keep it up, Harry!
http://tinyurl.com/3lhxwzs

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By: delurkergurl on October 7, 2011
at 10:05 AM
delurkergurl, then with all due respect stop posting here. It is always the same story with you. You post on something, someone responds in a way that holds you accountable or requires you to look past the surface of your flawed logic, then you come up with some tired rhetoric like you did in this post why you cannot be bothered to answer. It’s a tired circle. If it sucks so bad her go and don’t look back.

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By: Anonymous on October 7, 2011
at 8:20 AM
Thanks, James. I’m OK, really! Things are starting to slow down at home. Early fall is practically manic pace for us, which is physically and mentally draining for me even though every bit of it is good stuff. No responses yet on my husband’s quest for new employment but we’re blessed in that we can live on my income. What suffers is education & retirement savings, and the local businesses we’re providing less demand to. 😉 When he was working, we could afford to be principled about buying a rake at the local hardware store instead of the big box store, despite the higher price. Now we have to be more careful.

There are silver linings, like the projects he’s been able to work on at home and for our folks. He has time to fix things instead of hiring other people to fix things. It saves us money but contributes to the local economic problem.

My husband didn’t work for a billionaire. Nobody I know works for a billionaire, actually. His job is not gone because their taxes were too high. In fact, their taxes were quite low due to small margins, and they will go up now that their overhead is lower. A fair tax rate for their customers would have helped to a degree. I know many small business owners and people who used to work for them in the same situation. The good news is that the situation is reversible in time and with some corrections to situations that are dooming the middle and lower middle classes. I also personally know dozens of people who have lost their jobs at companies in that link I put up, and that is probably not reversible except in cases where the offshore model doesn’t work. It’s a situation that compounds itself. Jobs are scarce and income distribution is screwed up, so people shop for the cheapest foreign-made goods they can find, so American goods get more expensive, companies offshore more jobs to make more money, more Americans lose jobs, etc.

Think physics, and what it takes to disrupt something that’s in motion. It takes a different force, not the same forces that feed that motion.

You’re right about the question I should have asked. I don’t have much time or energy these days for blogs these days. My first choice for blogs is no longer here. There are other blogs that have conversation that isn’t tired talking points, misplaced rage, false logic, cheap shots and bullying. Imagine that!

Have a good weekend. 🙂

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By: delurkergurl on October 7, 2011
at 7:55 AM
Not that most will have it within themselves to take heed to this message, it is worth posting if even only 1 does.

http://www.aol.com/video/youve-got-juan-williams/1204719115001/?ncid=wsc-video-cards-image-78165052001

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By: Anonymous on October 7, 2011
at 7:07 AM
That last one was me, not sure why name didn’t take.

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By: noahwestmichigan on October 7, 2011
at 6:32 AM
James wanted to chime in and say I hope everything is ok. Your post seemed to have a serious tone about it.

I had no idea my writings had such a profound impact on so many here. Looks like I am the blog Elvis, sightings here, there, everywhere.

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By: Anonymous on October 7, 2011
at 6:31 AM
Delurkergurl, we have shown through government and other data posted on this site that lower taxes have been accompanied by more jobs and more government revenue. Based on the link, you asked the wrong question. I agree with the one you should have asked.

That author was talking about the tax holiday for foreign income. He also used “some” to describe the companies which took advantage of the 2004 tax forgiveness. That implies others, perhaps “many” did create jobs. The chart shows companies which created few if any jobs, but we have no information about the others except for the word, “some.”

I do agree with your point. If companies listed didn’t create jobs after a one time tax relief windfall, why would we expect them to behave differently this time? As the writer noted, those companies would likely wait for another tax holiday windfall instead of changing their behavior.

I wish Mary had written sooner about our earlier ancestors, because I have even more questions than I asked. I will have to wait longer to read them than expected, because some things have turned up. I won’t be reading or posting on this site or any other for awhile.

Delurkergurl, I know you and some others face challenges now. I hope the best for you.

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By: James on October 7, 2011
at 2:42 AM
The Teat Party….

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By: Evelyn Grunge on October 6, 2011
at 10:19 PM
Evelyn, you seem to be the self appointed blog enforcer or moral police? You have a very high opinion of yourself it seems as well. You know Noah personally I assume as you have made a lot of very personal, very specific accusations and observations. I have to wonder what you hope to accomplish on a blog? Do you think you might embarrass someone on the internet? I also wonder what service you are trying to provide or message you might be trying to convey giving all of this unsolicited information? Do you think you are doing everyone else a favor, telling them things only you had the ability to perceive? You must think that you are really smart, and everyone else not so much so, to go into so much detail. We must be pretty stupid in your eyes otherwise why would you put forth the effort to tell all of us what you find to be so obvious? Might I ask what he did to you that you would take so much of your personal time?

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By: Anonymous on October 6, 2011
at 8:59 PM
Fox News…….Wall Street Protestors are Tea party wannabees….

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By: uawtradesman on October 6, 2011
at 8:02 PM
Mary…..
“What does any of your ‘argument de jour’ and/or name-calling have to do with Helen’s masterful critique of the Republican candidates? ”
Usually when I comment I point out that the dems do the same exact things that they complain about the repubs doing…..so if it’s OK for a Dem to be an Asshat then it’s also OK for a Repub to do that………if you go back through the last few years you’ll find that I have a lot more????????(animosity) for Nancy and Harry than for Obama…….

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By: uawtradesman on October 6, 2011
at 7:50 PM
Don’t inflate your importance, Noah. I don’t care enough to dislike, much less loathe you. But I will call you out on your phoniness and your rather pathetic gambits for attention. If, at any time, you actually treat people with respect and stop your hostile and juvenile posts, you’ll never hear another peep about yourself.

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By: Evelyn on October 6, 2011
at 7:43 PM
anon i agree with you….kinda sorta…..if someone has a major illness(cancer as an example) they need help…….the ball-breathe MF that won’t pay when they take their kids in with a fever really piss me off…..I’m paying for my office visits so they should also….and how much have office calls gone up because of the people that skip out……..my last 6th month visit cost me $189 plus the $175 for blood tests and all I got was a Finger shoved up my ass(I’m over 50)……if all they can do is pay $25 or $50 that would be fine with me…..

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By: uawtradesman on October 6, 2011
at 7:39 PM
Evelyn, you seem very obsessed. Why take the time, over and over, to talk about a person you claim to loathe?

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By: Anonymous on October 6, 2011
at 7:24 PM
Hi, BFD–welcome! “Anonymous” is the Poster Formerly Known as Noah, the only person ever singled out on this blog for dumbness. He regularly posts nasty, hate-filled generalizations. When people ignore him, he gets petulant and claims they “can’t” respond. When they respond to his ugliness, he claims that liberals “can’t” respond so they engage in personal attacks (as though virtually every one of his post were not precisely that). Complete hypocrite.

He isn’t very S-M-A-R-T and can’t spell or punctuate. Some of his malapropisms are downright funny (e.g., “by enlarge” as opposed to “by and large”), particularly from someone so condescending.

But here’s the great thing: he’s a fraud. He regularly posted about his successful business, his happy employees singing over their free buffet lunch, his wizardry in all manly pursuits, his wife’s unmatched skill at canning and baking, his humanitarian efforts in Darfur…you name it. Of course, many made precisely the same observation that you did, which is that anyone who was able to do remotely what Noah claimed he was doing wouldn’t be spending his days here. Those of us who actually have lives stop by on occasion–he’s an unfortunate constant.

He staged a melodramatic exit, vowing never to return until begged by the hosts. Managed to stay away maybe a day–although I’m not sure it was even that long. Because the hosts obviously didn’t give a rat’s butt at his absence, he now posts as Anonymous, although his bad grammer and spelling and style can’t be mistaken for anyone else’s (fortunately). But think how truly pathetic it is that someone pretended this tearful fairwell (“Tex–stay awesome.”) but is so lacking in anything else in life that he loiters here for hours on end.

Oh–and the “commissioned salesman” is a whole new claim. Formerly, it was some manufacturing company. The Walter Mitty of the internet.

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By: Evelyn on October 6, 2011
at 6:24 PM
So I see a lot of people on here marveling at the wonder that is Obama care, and I have to wonder, is any of it actually in action. I just got a visit from my neighbor. His buddy of over 40 years has bone cancer. He can hardly swallow and hasn’t had any solid food in 3 days. All he can manage to get down is a little bit of juice. He lost his wife last year to cancer, and has 7 adopted special needs children. He needs to have a feeding tube put in, and something in his chest that will allow them to give him the chemo he needs. My neighbor went to see him today and was there when he was on the phone with the hospital. They refused to do the procedure until he paid them the $700 he owes the hospital. My neighbor got on the phone to find out what the hell was up. They told him the same thing and my neighbor replied ” so you are just going to let him die?” They replied, “Well I guess that is up to him” What the hell?

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By: Anonymous on October 6, 2011
at 5:42 PM
Oh and not to belittle you for not being able to answer even 1 of the questions. I will always need someone to take my order at the drive through.

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By: Anonymous on October 6, 2011
at 4:05 PM
And not that I care, but for the record, when the economy is down, and you cannot find a job, commission based sales is the way to go. I started with nothing, offered to do sales for a company that wasn’t hiring, for nothing but commission. Did the training on my time and I make more money now than any other time in my life. I always found the government nipple a little embarrassing to suck on, but that is me.

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By: Anonymous on October 6, 2011
at 4:04 PM
BFD I find it comforting that Liberals are always so predictable. When the topic is beyond you, go after the poster personally. Thanks for being you.

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By: Anonymous on October 6, 2011
at 3:58 PM
Anonymous must be bitter because he is unemployed. No one who is working could waste so much time trashing others on the internet. On the other hand, if he really is self-employed he is cheating himself, if he is really employed he’s probably cheating his employer.
And after all his babble, how many people has he converted. Zilch!!!
Figures

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By: BFD on October 6, 2011
at 3:08 PM
delurkergurl Your obvious socialist agenda aside, what do you feel is appropriate tax for this nations most evil social class? You know who I am talking about, the ones that achieved the American Dream that you and yours are so fond of bashing.

Lets think about this for a moment. Who are the job creators? Is it the poor? No. Is it the lazy? No. Then who is it that create jobs? That would be the people who get off their tail ends, and chose to work for themselves rather than ride the coat tails of others, ie the business owners. Your solution to unemployment? Vilify the people who make it possible for people like you to have a roof over your head and have a place to work everyday, or more likely to sit on the couch eating bon-bons while sending your husband off to work. Socialism at work at home.

I would like to introduce you to the rest of the world. World, delurkergurl , delurkergurl, world. Now that formal introductions have been made lets move on to a lesson in business. Business exist to make money. If you make the environment unfriendly to business, the rest of the world will welcome them with open arms, and laugh all the way to the bank. If it costs me triple or more to do business here vs. overseas, because you need business to pay your way in life, why would I even consider staying? We have sky rocketing unemployment because of people like Obama and you delurkergurl. What right do you have to demand that business pay for your socialist agenda?

What part of 50% do not contribute, and receive billions of our contributors money don’t you understand as being wrong? The truth, you and your kind never gave up on slavery. The KKK have nothing on Liberals. Liberals never wanted slavery to end, so they invented social programs and welfare. What a clever way to get the people to be your servants and thank you for it at the same time. You all are no different than a scum sucking drug dealer praying on the naive. Like a drug dealer, you hook the people and make them dependent upon you then you have them to manipulate anyway you see fit.

If you really believe the BS you vomit, then step your butt up to the plate and say it proudly and plainly for everyone to hear. You all whine and cry about how unfair life is never once taking personal responsibility for the choices you make. Step up or shut up. If you believe it then tell me

1. What is the tax rate that makes this world “fair” to you.
(A) What is the Tax Rate for Business that makes it “fair” for the rest of us?
(B) What is the definition of a Rich Person, then once defined, how much do we tax the rich so that it is “fair” for everyone who isn’t rich?

2. Do you think welfare should be open ended and go on as long as necessary or do you think there should be limits?

3. Do you believe in Socialism?

4, Should Health Care be free?

5. Should Education be free?

6. Do you think we need more, or less government in our lives?

7. Can government do it better than the private sector.

8. Is everything the fault of business, and we should focus all our efforts there, or do you think that maybe campaign finance reform might be a better way to get business out of our government?

I will even go first.
1a. As with other aspects of business, a rate that makes us competitive with the rest of the world. I support measures to reform our tax code, something along the line of a flat tax.
1b. Same as everyone else, ie a flat rate. I support that any individual up to $20k, 35k for families be exempt from taxation, then be taxed on everything over that amount. An individual earning 25k, or a family earning 40k would be taxed on 5k of their income at a flat rate.
2. I believe in life time limits so people cannot become the victim of generational poverty and dependency.
3. Hell No.
4. Sliding scale based on an ability to pay.
5.Subsidized based on ability to pay and performance.
6. Less, much less.
7. Private sector does it better in 99% of the cases.
8. Campaign finance reform. The process has been corrupted at almost every level. I support the proposed 28th amendment and want to ban all lobbying to our government officials with lifetime term limits.

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By: Anonymous on October 6, 2011
at 2:10 PM
I thought tax breaks were supposed to create jobs?

REPORT: Corporations That Benefited Most From 2004 Tax Break Then Slashed More Than Half A Million Jobs

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By: delurkergurl on October 6, 2011
at 10:49 AM
I agree, delurkergurl, that he should sue for a lot of money. Its the state’s responsibility to get its facts right before arresting people..

I’m also very happy Sarah Palin is not running. While her decision lessons the entertainment value, she does more good as a free agent, at least from my prospective. Obama would have to fowl up more than he has to lose to her, but the debates would be fun to watch.

Eric Holder is a racist liar as you write, Exogenesis. I hope these scandals get him fired, though he deserves a fine and jail.

Our flood abreviated bean harvest is over. Hooray!!

Someone I talked to in Fairbanks said the mountains are getting snow covered earlier than normal.

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By: James on October 5, 2011
at 8:25 PM
Looks a lot like Eric Holder perjured himself in front of Congress – Obama’s continuing culture of corruption. We were lied to about his transparency and Eric Holder should go to jail, just like the rest of us would.

Holder has been a liar and racist for years, and should have never been appointed especially since he was the one that coaxed Bill Clinton into pardoning the biggest tax cheat in American history – Marc Rich.

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By: Exogenesis on October 5, 2011
at 7:42 PM
Mohamed Ali Muflahi, the first person arrested under Alabama’s strict new immigration law, is actually residing in the United States legally, his attorney proved on Monday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/mohamed-ali-muflahi-alabama-immigration_n_996101.html

Frankly, I hope he sues big.

RIP Steve Jobs. We need innovators like him.

Not sure whether to be overjoyed or disappointed that Sarah Palin has decided not to run. There could be entertainment in it. It could certainly push independents toward Obama. However, a run would put us a little too close to the iceberg for my taste. The “vote the bums out” mentality is an awfully scary thing, when the alternative isn’t considered. She soaked the PAC as long as she could, and she’ll continue to make her train wreck bucks, so I’m sure she’ll be… fine.

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By: delurkergurl on October 5, 2011
at 6:45 PM
so we’re supposed to keep on Helen’s topic…..OK….
“And then there’s Michele, who doesn’t have the common sense God gave a goose. ”
poor Minnesota……..Backman and Franken……..

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By: uawtradesman on October 5, 2011
at 8:37 AM
Not that wide, but muscular. It could shell walnuts.

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By: James on October 4, 2011
at 5:42 PM
Well the Judge has his lips firmly planted on some wide corn-fed ass on here.

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By: Anonymous on October 4, 2011
at 5:35 PM
Judge, do you know someone who calls himself jrsi?

You both have the same writing style and attitude. Do we have two verbal dopplegangers or something else?

Instead of insect repellent, why don’t you bring deodorant next time?

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By: James on October 4, 2011
at 4:12 PM
Yes, Anon, Tea Party on.

Van Jones is participating in a “Take Back the American Dream” conference through tomorrow. He told Laurence O’Donnel that the American Dream Movement will use protests to produce an American fall similar to the Arab spring. He cited the current protests as the first wave.

Van Jones and many of his compatriots are marxists. They also want to usurp control of the demonstrations. I think there is a real chance that the organizers have a different agenda than folks on the street. That’s usually how these events play out.

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By: James on October 4, 2011
at 3:46 PM
Judge, I one up you. You compare me to Australopithecus, I believe you more closely resemble Homo heidelergensis. ( inflatius), or maybe Homo ergaster (aegrus) . I can play your silly game as long as you can.

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By: James on October 4, 2011
at 3:22 PM
“Cynthia” and “Mary, Queen of the Universe”, I found your comments quite interesting and informative.

I enjoy Helen’s refreshing humor and insightful take on the present political spectrum. People like her and you ladies are very much in tune with what is going on from a wide variety of angles in all their subtle nuances. Most of all, you don’t take yourselves too seriously.

Cynthia, you seem to have your finger on the pulse of what’s going on with a number of current issues including the Wall Street demonstrations. I hope you will continue to post your cogent thoughts here as the protests progress or die down. Privatizing prisons has made it much more profitable to throw people in the slammer. The more arrests that are made, the more money is to be made in that thriving enterprise.

Queen Mary, what a great blog handle. You grabbed my attention with your instructive discourse on early man. I have a general feel for the subject from what I have read and learned, but you express yourself so well, I look forward to your continued discussion of paleontology and archaeology. I’m afraid I erred when I referred to Cro-Magnon Man. I should have said Australopithecus.

Time permitting, I’ll be back, to read at least. Next time I’ll bring the insect repellant.

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By: Da Judge on October 4, 2011
at 2:52 PM
Tea Party on James!

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By: Anonymous on October 4, 2011
at 9:59 AM
Pfessor, President Bush didn’t start our war, our enemies did. Bin ladin said on Night line, I think, that he had declared war against us in the 1990’s. We didn’t notice. We had as much choice over war as we did after Pearl Harbor.

Iraq was another matter. Though I opposed it before we entered it, our invasion of Iraq was another phase of the same war. We should have concentrated on Afghanistan.

Our invasion of Iraq did frighten our enemies for a time. Iran interupted its nuclear program briefly, and there may have been some connection to Bush’s apparent willingness to invade any country, maybe even France.

One of our problems is bills for our welfare state are overdue. We have been living with a giant Ponzi scheme which worked as long as the younger generation was larger than the previous.

Mark Styn, in “America Alone” predicted the Muslims will eventually win because they have a higher birth rate, and Europe will be forced to dilute its culture with Muslim immigrants to survive. He predicts our high rate of Hispanic and other immigration will save us with more young people to pay for our social programs.

If you want pessimistic version, read “No Blade of Grass.”

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By: James on October 4, 2011
at 6:57 AM
Mary, you are my new best friend. you haven’t confused me. You have made me look forward to your next reply.

I can learn something from you. One thing about Neanderthals is they appeared to mature faster than our more modern ancestors. It would have handicapped them relative to Cro Magnons because their learning curve would have been shorter than ours. Or maybe not. What if their more elongated brains developed more slowly like ours do though their bodies matured faster than ours?

Yes, I know evolution continues. I wonder if changes in some late Neanderthal tool kits were their last attempt to compete with our ancestors.

Do you think they could sing? Later Cro Magnons could sing and they made musical instruments. I wonder if music was one of the earliest forms of speech.

I believe a child found in Portugal had features of Neanderthals and Cro Magon people. Do you think this person was someone with Neanderthal-modern parents or was merely a physically unusual child?

I understand that we identify those people as cohesive groups when they were actually of many races. For example, the Aurigncian people could have been physically and genetically different though they were lumped together because of their basically uniform tool- making skills. Do you suppose some of those people belonged to races or sub races which are now extinct?

It is satisfying to know we carry a few Neanderthal genes. For such people to have died out entirely would have been sad.

Do you have blue eyes, Mary? If you do, you are probably my long lost mutant cousin. My wife says she knew I was a mutant before the Danish scientist reached his conclusions about the blue eyes and fair skin.

If Judge returns, he/she should read I report’s and my discussion of the causes of our recession. Dr. Thomas Sowell’s column on the same subject appeared in the Omaha World Herald. He described in simple terms, why our economy crashed, and his description was almost identical to mine. That was good for my ego.

Judge ought not to be too full of him/herself. Underestimating your competition will burn you.

I think Anon, Cynthia, Mary, or many others could have understood the same factors related to our crash and reached the same conclusions. And I got to use them in the same sentence. Ha!

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By: James on October 4, 2011
at 6:37 AM
Mary, I like your sense of humor. 🙂

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By: delurkergurl on October 4, 2011
at 4:56 AM
Think history doesn’t repeat itself?

“We used to think that you could just spend your way out of a recession and increase employment by cutting taxes and boosting government spending. I tell you, in all candour, that that option no longer exists; and that insofar as it ever did exist, it only worked by injecting bigger doses of inflation into the economy followed by higher levels of unemployment as the next step. That is the history of the last twenty years.” – British Prime Minister James Callaghan, 1976

And of course, his prediction came to fruition exactly as he said, both then in Britain and now in America.

These guys in Washington have to go. They have to if we are going to survive.

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By: pfesser53 on October 4, 2011
at 4:36 AM
The Wall Street protests are interesting, but IMHO are missing the real criminals; they get their mail in Washington, DC. I’m reading Milton Friedman’s “Money Mischief” and ran across a couple of good quotes that I think summarize how we got here.

“War and revolution have been the progenitors of most hyperinflations.” – Milton Friedman – Thank you, Mr. Bush, for starting our two-front war.

“There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose. – John Maynard Keynes – Thank you, Mssrs. Obama, Bernanke, Rubin, Geithner.

Friedman says that inflation is nothing more than a monetary phenomenon – typically lagging about 2-3 years behind the time when the govt begins printing money in earnest. Obama and his minions have tripled the money supply and the debt is now beyond the point where it can EVER be repaid. I really, really wonder if we can survive.

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By: pfesser53 on October 4, 2011
at 3:59 AM
Cro-Magnon is just early modern homo sapiens. You might want to look at Wolpoff’s Multiregional hypothesis. In the early 1980s, he proposed continuous gene flow between neighboring populations from the time of Homo erectus to modern times across Africa, Europe, and Asia, to explain the clinal variation seen in skeletal remains and in local populations throughout time. There never were pure races anywhere; races only seem to appear if you take your samples from the extremes of the supercontinent. The latest genetic studies seem to confirm this hypothesis (which was rejected by a lot of anthropologists in the 90s). If Judge doesn’t reply, I’ll explain more clearly in a few days – I must go to bed now and work gets busy this week, but this is my field. I have the habit of assuming that everyone has my background, here, but ask me to clarify specifics if I’ve confused you.

Neanderthals were well-adapted (“fully evolved,” to use your term) for their environment – that’s why they survived for a lot longer than modern Homo sapiens has been around (so far). Nothing is ever “fully evolved” because conditions and the environment change. I’ve been saying for years that I have Neanderthal genes! It’s no insult – Neanderthals had substantially larger brains that moderns – just differently shaped.

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By: Mary, Queen of the Universe on October 4, 2011
at 12:11 AM
Coast to Coast is discussing the protests now. The speaker says San Francisco and :Pittsburg are about to blow next. He said other protests in Spain are using the Arab Spring example as some have in the US.

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By: James on October 3, 2011
at 11:24 PM
Thank you Mary for your description of the demonstration. As I wrote, I didn’t know if any special arrangements had been made for arrests or not. You told me something I didn’t know.

The labor unions have plans for later. Maybe they attached themselves to this protest because they saw an opportunity. As you know, people well-meaning and not tried to co-op the Tea Party movement.

Again, this is just my feeling. The spread of protests through other cities tells me someone is coordinating the protests.

The police action doesn’t surprise me. Authorities want to nip this in the bud. They are not interested in something which may disturb the cities’ order. I saw the same in London when police waded into protests with billie clubs swinging.

Danial Shay’s assault on the Springfield Armory might be right. Time will tell.

Judge, our computer froze up, and I wasn’t able to find the article within Business Week. However, as one who has successfully run his own business for years and has learned a few other things, I am confident that the article isn’t over my head.

On the other hand, since you brought up Cro- Magon people, perhaps you know a little more about them. Maybe you wonder about their relationship with Neanderthals. Why did Neanderthals’ tool kits become more sophisticated near the end? Were they trading with modern humans? Were they merely copying discarded tools and weapons they found? Or did they become more creative to survive the competition? Why did bones of the earliest modern immigrants show archaic traits? Had they interbred with Neanderthals, or had they not fully evolved? We know Europeans and Asians carry about 1 to 4 % Neanderthal genes, but could our earliest ancestors out of Africa have carried more?

Someone with your obvious abilities can enlighten us.

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By: James on October 3, 2011
at 11:19 PM
Oh, I was baptized Mary. I just assumed my new title, however! Thank you! i love it!

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By: Mary, Queen of the Universe on October 3, 2011
at 10:41 PM
Anon, hush. You are like a mosquito. Shoo!

James, I almost went to the very first day of the protest (Sept. 17), but I had other plans. I heard about the protest through a friend of a friend (Facebook, of course – a real person, not a group or a front name). It really was a grass-roots, “I’m mad as hell and no one’s listening that the bailouts never reached Main Street while Wall Street is still lining its pockets” sort of thing. I expected a hundred people to show up -no vast left-wing conspiracy. No one intended to be arrested that day as the unemployed didn’t have the resources to bail themselves out and the employed had to be at work on Monday!

I’ve been to events where some people decided, beforehand, to be arrested. This wasn’t one of those. I also have a friend of a friend, just walking down the street and NOT part of any protest, get arrested in NYC during the RNC convention several years ago when the police erected one of those orange plastic fences around the entire block as he walked on the sidewalk! He was handcuffed, no food, no place to sit except the filthy ground, along with hundreds of others for over 40 hours. People with asthma and diabetes nearly died for lack of their meds.No one plans for THAT kind of thing – and that’s what’s happening, again!

I haven’t watched the videos of this past weekend but I’m told that they show cops directing a lot of protesters to walk in the car lanes on the Brooklyn Bridge, then arrested them for following those orders. The left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing, but the left is getting arrested. I’m not going anywhere near the protests despite feeling a lot of solidarity.

In the last couple of days, labor unions are attaching themselves to the protest. They are johnny-come-lately’s – like the right wing’s co-opting of the real Tea Party. Personally, I think of the protests in NYC as being more akin to Daniel Shays’s assault on the Springfield Armory – and likely to be as successful. Sigh.

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By: Mary, Queen of the Universe on October 3, 2011
at 10:36 PM
Someone’s baby is crying.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 9:59 PM
AA – “Cynthia, I would suggest some more reading on the topic. You are woefully misinformed if you think Perry name it.”

Are you sure it is my reading comprehension?

It is my understand Perry inherited the lodge from his father. (Which I did not say in that comment but thought it was common knowledge.)

My statement was – I don’t understand why A WHITE MAN would name HIS hunting lodge that name. That would be ANY WHITE MAN, his father or grandfather, a neighbor, a sheriff, a college roommate, a farmer, an old friend, a lover, whatever.

My point was – why criticize Perry for the name of the hunting lodge. It is making a big deal out of not so much! There are more important things to criticize him for.

Take a deep breath and you might want to think about getting a better fitting pair of tightie whities!

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 3, 2011
at 9:54 PM
Cynthia, I am stating a hypothosis based on my experience with the Vietnam era anti -war movement, what I’ve read about the the early American Revolution, the Bolshevics, the Arab Spring, and others. Even the early Tea Party fits the pattern. In many cases, the rank and file protesters often don’t know or understand the motives and plans of the dedicated leaders.

I don’t know if Rush Limbaugh has said anything about it or not. I do know that Glenn Beck predicted a disturbance supported by Marxists, labor leaders and others, but I don’t listen to his show often enough to know if this was what he was talking about. Otherwise, this is my own theory.

I think it may be connected with some labor unions’ plans for days of rage in October. This separate group is protesting financial institutions banks ,and similar seats of power and job creation. Some of their statements match what I heard during the Vietnam war, so I assume the same motivation. The Drudge Report linked to a story about the protesters. A few protesters called themselves leftist Tea Partyers.

The Tea Party became an amorphous but focused group for change as did other revolutionaries. I think that is what is happening now. Large protest groups don’t usually arise spontainiously. Someone is organizing and coordinating these protests.

I don’t know anything about the large number of arrests. I do know arrests are sometimes pre -arranged. It happens frequently when people protest at Offutt Air Force Base south of Omaha, and also a few weeks ago when a crowd protested a pipe line which would cross the aquifer under the Nebraska Sand Hills. One of the leaders was interviewed on a local radio station, and she described the arrest proceedure. They were outside of the White House and already discussed arrests with the police.

I am as pleased as you probably are that Rick Perry may have peaked. I also agree that painted rock is nothing more than a lame attempt to make him look like a racist. We should stick to the real issues of which with Perry, there are many.

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By: James on October 3, 2011
at 9:52 PM
Mary how is Anon any different than your supposed name of Mary? Please use your head something other than a hat rack. This is the internet my dear, maybe you should ask your husband to proof read your comments, make less of an ass of yourself in the future.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 9:39 PM
Golly, this is the first time anyone has mistaken my laughter for tears! Anon, you immediately jumped in with insults – in my opinion, only cowards depend on the mask of anonymity – but you are not worth my time. Shoo, fly, shoo.

Cynthia, I agree with you. Perry has done far worse things. I just wanted to restart the original discussion, which was about the current crop of Republican presidential wannabes and their foibles.

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By: Mary, Queen of the Universe on October 3, 2011
at 9:22 PM
Judge, going to call you out in front of everyone here. IF you can be bothered to come down off Mt Olympus there with Cynthia, lets see what you have to offer up other than condescending remarks. Pick a topic of your choice, I would hate to stretch you to far on your first time out. I for my part will do my best to elevate myself to your high and mighty level of conversation.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 9:11 PM
Mary from Massachusetts, you don’t like it please by all means leave. You can whine and cry all you like, I just cannot find the motivation to care. Should you care to step up and toss your ideas out there, go for it. If not scroll on by.

Cynthia, I would suggest some more reading on the topic. You are woefully misinformed if you think Perry name it. More to the point you need him to have named it so you can find your victim and have a Liberal save someone. Let us be honest, you know he didn’t name it, it just makes it all the more juicer story to pretend he did. Facts and truth just get in the way.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 9:03 PM
The “Business Week” article I spoke of in my comment of today, Oct. 3, 2011 at 2:46PM, can be found on pps. 110-111 of the “Etc., Art of Firing.” It is quite a sophisticated article. It is doubtful that those not well acquainted with the inside workings of the current business world, history, religion or literature will “get it”.

But that’s OK. One cannot help not knowing anything beyond one’s own limited tunnel vision when it is way, way one’s head. Stick with the well worn tired cliches.

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By: Da Judge on October 3, 2011
at 9:01 PM
James – “Those protests are spreading by design. A group of motivated leaders is using the protesters to create enough discord to damage our economy. They want to bring down capitalism.”

I Googled and found a number of articles. I quickly read some but with my computer it takes just too long to do more. I have heard talk of this on my radio shows, as you know it would be on the left. I have yet to hear what you are talking about. I do not listen to Rush etc. Where, why are you so sure this is what is going on. I would like to know your source or reason.

I don’t know what happened on Saturday I have heard both sides but I was not there. Arresting 700 people seems about 600 more then necessary. I have heard Morgan/Chase (I believe that is the one) gave a very large sum of money (as in a million or two) to the NYPD for equipment recently.

Mary from Mass – I don’t understand why a white man would name his hunting lodge that name. Coming from the south it does not surprise me. However I do believe there are many more important things to fault Perry on then this. But that is just me.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 3, 2011
at 8:37 PM
Dear Anonymous, I appreciate your elevating me to Queen of the Universe. Alas, I am not, but I do want to hear from (Margaret and) Helen and those who comment on their ideas, not from those who love the sound of their own words. If this offends you, tough beans.The blog is entitled “Margaret and Helen,” not “Anonymous.” I heartily encourage you to start your own blog and end the highjacking of this one.

So – on Helen’s theme – anyone want to talk about the idiocy of naming a retreat with a racial epithet? I’ll happily go back to snickering as I read the Republican comments trying to rationalize THIS one!

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By: Mary from Massachusetts on October 3, 2011
at 7:28 PM
Da Judge’s comments were hard to link to a specific article in Business Week, so I am guessing he meant “Anti-Wall Street Protests Spread Nationwide.” Those protests are spreading by design. A group of motivated leaders is using the protesters to create enough discord to damage our economy. They want to bring down capitalism.

Many of the protesters are no different from the dupes who protested during the Democratic Convention in Chicago. Like them, their modern counterparts have no coherent plan of operation, aside from anger and frustration. The sixties leaders planed on goading the Chicago police into violence, but they did not share that information with their troops.

I had some experience with the anti- war movement during the Vietnam War, and I know a little of how revolutionary operations work. This looks like a cousin to the Arab Spring to me.

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By: James on October 3, 2011
at 5:48 PM
Well, Da Judge, you should stick with what you know. Comparing me to a Cro Magnon is not an insult. Read about those people and learn something.

What are you the judge of? Your personal inadequacies? You sound more evil than most rich people.

, I will stick a cross in your face and drench you with holy water.

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By: James on October 3, 2011
at 4:41 PM
Mary from Massachusetts, I think it is a bit presumptuous for you to decide for everyone here and the blog owners what will be allowed on here. I see thousands of posts on more than a dozen thread topics and it seems to have always been this way.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 4:38 PM
I have noticed that there seems to be a core group of people who like to ride their own political agenda/hobbyhorse until the blog all but breaks under the combined weight of their collective words. I’m puzzled, though. What does any of your ‘argument de jour’ and/or name-calling have to do with Helen’s masterful critique of the Republican candidates?

Here’s my idea – keep your posts on Helen’s topic and cease the name-calling; If you want to pontificate on your pet topic, write your own blog and stop bloviating on this one! I mean it. Really!

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By: Mary from Massachusetts on October 3, 2011
at 4:26 PM
Not much to say about that Judge. One persons narrow minded point of view. I understand your ilks need to find a villain in order to justify your existence. I would submit that being wealthy does not automatically make one evil. Just as you being Liberal doesn’t automatically make you a moron. A child molester will always be evil. A rapist or a murderer will always be evil. Why? Because these are actions we deem morally unacceptable and there is never a time when these actions could be justified.

I think comparing the wealthy to Satan just shows your inability to be objective. You are as blind as many others of your political affiliation and like them would probably sell this country down the river for no other reason than to defeat a political rival and to be right. That is something you can come to terms with on your own. I do not really care what motivates you and if it were not for the effects it has on me and mine would gladly let you self destruct. Unfortunately you and yours are having a profound effect on our country. You are like spoiled children who want everything their way, and you want it now, consequences be dammed.

The quotes I posted above were not random. As Albert Einstein said, “The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them and do nothing.” I promise you I will not make this mistake. I think with many true Liberals that they don’t intentionally do evil, it comes from a genuine place of wanting to help those who do not have. I also think there are many who have a far more nefarious intent for this country and would see us undone. Regardless of where you fall in this spectrum, the end result is the same, and must be combated the same.

Some would argue that those well meaning few could be taught. As this blog has shown time and again, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. By enlarge, Liberals do not want to learn, they just want to win and be proven right. They are not open to discussion, at least not discussion that strays to terribly far from what they believe. They like to chat with others like them who will parrot their own thoughts. But to put ones self out there to be held accountable and take the risk that what you have believe all your life to be wrong is something to be avoided at ALL costs. It is the ALL costs that bothers me most profoundly. I think and know to be true many would give up this great country to avoid being exposed. Pride cometh before a fall.

In the 21st century economy, we got so used to having more and more money that we forgot that it’s necessary to save. Your mortgage is supposed to be a certain percentage of your income. You aren’t supposed to live beyond your means.

Pride makes us lose our vigilance. We forget to be on the lookout for the telltale signs of disaster ahead. With the economy, we saw the dot-com bubble burst and didn’t change our behavior. We watched the housing market collapse and didn’t change our behavior. Then we saw the mortgage crisis hit as gas prices skyrocketed and we started to sound the alarm, but not loudly, and not in time.

Our economy was built by entrepreneurial imagination. Bold businesses took risks to create opportunities where none existed before. We created whole industries and new streams for old industries. We desperately need a return to that way of thinking and doing things again.

I have never given a job by a poor or lazy person. We need to stop vilifying those that are out there doing, but rather encourage them to go out and do more so those people can kick start this economy. Sure, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you think taking people’s money and giving it to the government is the way to get this economy moving, then show me how that will work. If you think more government involvement in business and our lives will make businesses do better and improve our quality of life, great, show me how that will work. If you believe as many Democrats have said that the congressional process is broke, and we need to reinvent the wheel on how our country has been run for the last 235 years, great, show me how that will work. I am open to listen, I just lack the imagination to understand on my own how any of these things lead anywhere but disaster.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 4:13 PM
I could provide a link to a cleverly written article in the October 3-9 issue of “Business Week” but that would be aping that cantankerous old acrimonious “Anonymous”. Instead, I will quote a sentence or two with the profundity of the “Cro-Magnon Orator of Iowa”.

“Former angel Satan, “the brightest in the sky”, attempted a corporate takeover of the heavens. But God, an experienced and canny chairman of the board, managed to hold onto his seat and down went Satan – with no golden parachute.”

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By: Da Judge on October 3, 2011
at 2:46 PM
Very interesting. Makes you wonder what he is trying to cover up.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 10:38 AM
Just bitter people being bitter. You will have to cut them some slack James. Libs are coming to the realization that we were right about Obama all along. Now they just need to reword what they said about him these past 3 years so they can save some face and not have to say…we were wrong.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 9:20 AM
Anon, I should care?

Your blistered finger and any other blistered part of your body can fall off for all it matters to me.

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By: James on October 3, 2011
at 6:04 AM
James:

Go back to dial-up. Please. The blister on my finger interferes with the operation of the scroll wheel.

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By: Anonymous on October 3, 2011
at 12:20 AM
I know you are, but what am I?

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By: delurkergurl on October 2, 2011
at 8:14 PM
Lets bottom line this President and his time in office. No one should ever be questioned as to why this man cannot be trusted ever again.

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By: Anonymous on October 2, 2011
at 10:30 AM
You should know the game Cynthia, after all you and yours invented it. If I have seen it one time I have seen it a hundred, whenever someone hands you your intellectual ass, you rise up on your pedestal and become to good to respond. Or spout some rhetoric to avoid the one phrase no Liberal can ever mutter, I was wrong. So please, come down and join us mortals and until you do your reign as the goddess of hypocrisy is secure.

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By: Anonymous on October 2, 2011
at 8:41 AM
AA – Ah yes, THE GAME! When confronted you have no answers. So you must then accuse the “confronter” of having THE problem. And you tell them how they can correct THEIR problem. I know the game all too well.

No anger simply calling it as I see it….you are arrogantly egotistical, you spew hateful words, you have no meaningful purpose but to disrupt and if you had something important to say you would not hide behind “Anonymous”.

What do you have occupying your head space other than right wing talking points?

Game Over!

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By: Cynthia on October 2, 2011
at 7:43 AM
I understand Donna’s, Pfessor’s, Cynthia’s complaints, and some I’ve missed, but I block out the irritants as one does the pain of physical therapy. Not everyone wants to do that.

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By: James on October 1, 2011
at 9:23 PM
I Report, we do agree on a little. This is what I read and experienced. After the Carter anti- redlining law, a good thing, lending institutions loaned more housing money to poor people and minorities, who were in some cases unfairly frozen from the housing market.

Time passed and especially after the savings and loan crisis ACORN and other groups pressured banks to provide still more mortgages to poor people. The trend accelerated during Clinton’s administration with encouragement from Janet Reno.

This is fact for our small county, and I assume elsewhere. Government reps went through our county banks to see if they were loaning enough money to the poor. The new borrowers helped keep the price of housing high because they enhanced demand. Savings and loans and other institutions also provided mortgages to people who had no business borrowing so much money.

Banks skirted around the edge of regulations to create new forms in which to place the mortgages, so they could get rid of them at a profit. They sold and resold them across the world and polluted the system with bad loans. Demand and the housing bubble sent prices to unsustainable levels.

Republicans and Democrats profited from the schemes because they supported the housing bubble which postponed a recession. Fannie and Freddie were especailly poorly regulated. The market heated further as home owners used their houses as private savings and loans, and banks competed to loan still more to poor people as they sold the remade packages at large profits.

Democrats also fought tighter regulation. Bush, McCain and other Republicans tried several times to re write Fannie and Fredie regulations, but Democrats like Barney Frank rebuffed them. Just like farmers and bankers the new players expected the golden goose to live for ever. Gravity had been repealed.

I agree with so much of your account, I could splice it onto the rest of mine.

However, when you say the banks were at fault, you are right and you are wrong. It is more complex than your simple statement. As I have shown, government policy, banker and stock broker greed, home owner greed, and buyers who had no prayer of paying their mortgages if home values fell or they lost their jobs were also to blame. If one or more of them were not in play our recession would have been milder.

I agree, some of the folks who were bailed out because they were too big to fail should be fined or in jail. The top dogs usually profit while the rest of us suffer. It has been that way since Roman times and before.

I am glad Anon is still here.

As for you, I don’t care what anyone says, including you. Its true your scatter- gun approach is off- putting, but when you are focused, you are fun to argue with. You think clearly, and you can use facts. You are also polite. What’s not to like about that? Don’t put too much stock in my complement. You already know the cheese has slipped from my cracker.

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By: James on October 1, 2011
at 9:12 PM
I would like to take a moment to quote some great people

The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them and do nothing. –Albert Einstein.

You have enemies? Good! That means you stood up for something in your life. –Winston Churchill

One of the penalties of not participating in politics is that you will be governed by your inferiors.” –Plato

“Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.” – Benjamin Franklin

And for you Cynthia and a few others. Holding a grudge is letting someone live rent-free in your head. –Ajani Charles

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By: Anonymous on October 1, 2011
at 7:56 PM
I guess mad was an understatement. Furious, maybe even blind rage seems more fitting.

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By: Anonymous on October 1, 2011
at 7:08 PM
AA – Cynthia seems angry
WOW what an absolutely brilliantly intelligent original answer! Did you come up with it all by yourself or did you have help?

No I am not at all angry. You have proven to me when confronted you fold. There are no sources or truth to the crapola you spewed about President Obama.

It is one thing to be an assh*le but another thing to a flat out flaming frigging assh*le but be so arrogantly egotistical as not to recognize it. People like you have always amazed me. But I have now come to the conclussion that you lack an important piece of being human.

You are a mean spirited, nasty, divisive piece of human DNA with absolutely no meaningful purpose or reason to be at M&H other than to be a disruptive influence.

I Report – I respect your reason however it would be better to slow down a bit. You are making it harder and harder for people with old computers and dial up to comment. I have been coming to H&M almost from the beginning. I too refuse to turn this blog over to Noah or Tex and the others or even to our resident right wingers. While I disagree with most of our resident right wingers have to say I have no desire to fight with them. They have the right to their opinions as much as we and they are respectful. Well as much as we are to them! I do believe we should stick together as neither side has all the answers.

And for those who might have wondered as I – John McCain ran an ad referring to Obama as “The One” or “The Messiah”.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 1, 2011
at 6:19 PM
THINK DEREGULATION which was what GW Bush was pushing.

NINA LOANS, Global Pool of Money which was 70 Trillion before the wealthy got into the housing market. (Every dollar spent in the entire world is less then 70 Trillion, just so you know the numbers.. That amount went from 36 Trillion to 70 trillion in 6 years.)

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/355/The-Giant-Pool-of-Money

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 6:00 PM
James: Here is how my informants explained the housing market meltdown.

It starts with the wealthiest 1%. They were making 1 and 2% on their Billions. A brilliant fellow then bought up housing notes and the billionaires immediately got 6 to 7% instead of the 1 and 2% gains. More and more of the wealthy wanted in on the action and were begging for housing notes.

Lenders lowered their standards to get more and more notes for the wealthy guys. They factored in the loss rate for foreclosure which had happened the previous 5 years – they could still make big bucks.

Unfortunately, the default rate was much bigger because they had lowered the financial standards to a ridiculous rate – THAT WAS THE BANKS FAULT!

Eventually, the big guys got a bail out to pay for their losses. The small banks and the middle class are the ones who took the hit.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 5:36 PM
President Obama took out a couple more high level terrorists. I see a pattern here. Republicans said he was a pal with terrorists. If he knocks off so many of his Pals, what the heck does he do to his enemies?

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/you-know-for-guy-who-pals-around-with.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 5:05 PM
I don’t have any problem with Noah either, but Donna, I am glad you and some others are returning.

Fierce arguments are fine, but after they are over, they should end just as a football game or NASCAR race.

We are all walking a long “Green Mile”, and being purposely nasty to each other is a waste of time. At least in my opinion.

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By: James on October 1, 2011
at 4:31 PM
I Report–there was a strong liberal presence here. It has diminished because certain people such as Noah were so obnoxious that it became unpleasant to be here. A few of us, who are very liberal, are beginning to venture back. However, you are so thoughtless and unpleasant that you are having exactly the same impact–the blog isn’t worth it.

If you genuinely believe what you say (and your behavior suggests you do not but are simply here to be disruptive), then kindly consider whether what you actually are doing is driving more people, including liberal ones, from here. You certainly aren’t persuading anyone of anything by either mindless linking or Wagnerian posts.

Hi, James.

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By: Donna on October 1, 2011
at 2:37 PM
I report, how does a bank profit when it has to take back property which is probably worth less than the value of the loan? As long as it has possession, the bank must pay to maintain the property. Our banker complained loudly enough about their trying to unload foreclosed farms and homes during the farm depression. The devalued house is a net cost to the economy because it is worth less than it once was.

Governments lose tax revenue, and people are laid off.

The only people I can see coming out ahead are the builders and whoever sold the house before the market tanked.The bank which loaned money to the builder or previous home owner would get its money back from the sale at a pre- crash price, but what then? They have to deal with a new reality as the rest of us do.

One group which does profit are first time home owners or others who are able to buy a house at lower prices.

Many people who lost their shirts gambled and lost. It is as simple as that. Before the farm recession, people thought the good times would never end. They paid more than land and machinery were worth. I borrowed operating money at the bank, and the banker asked me “are you sure that’s enough? Why don’t we give you a $150,000. line of credit?”
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We were in the middle of a bubble, just as home owners and builders were in 2007,.

As for the rest, Christy is fat. That’s his problem, not ours.

I know what you are doing. I did the same thing, once. I defended you once before, and I have no problem with you.

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By: James on October 1, 2011
at 1:25 PM
I Repost, you seem to be an odd fellow to be insisting someone respond to one of their posts. You perhaps the worst offender when it comes to answering to criticism to your own posts. I think the poster should feel compelled to respond when perhaps you do as well.

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By: Anonymous on October 1, 2011
at 1:13 PM
Anon: Check out this link: I had you in mind when I came across it.
Cynthia wants your source of information – that has nothing to do with anger. Sources please.

http://takemycountryback.com/fat-guy-coat-chris-christie-excess-republicanism/

“I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats,we will stop telling the truth about them”.

— Adlai E. Stevenson, Governor of Illinois & 2-Time Candidate for President (1900-1965)

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 1:02 PM
Cynthia seems angry

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By: Anonymous on October 1, 2011
at 12:52 PM
James, I am looking at a foreclosed home. Who benefited from the foreclosures: Big Banks and the wealthiest among us. WHO LOST THEIR SHIRTS: THE MIDDLE CLASS!! Just the way the Republicans like it.

Speaking of Republicans:
If Christie decides to run, I think his doing so would epitomize everything Republicans stand for. To see what I mean, let’s take a look at this photo of the Governor:

It’s quite the image isn’t it? But it really does depict Republicanism is many ways, I think. Let’s take a closer look shall we? Like Governor Christie, Republicans:
Are grotesque.
Care nothing for the health of the whole body.
Care only about self-satisfaction and instant gratification.
Will devour everything that is good in excess and give nothing back except excrement.
Are nasty and mean.
Are against regulation and constraint, and in ignoring these important areas they become indifferent or ignorant to the inherent risks therein.
Are proud of their piggish exterior, while unbeknownst to them or indifferent to it, their body (The United States) dies slowly while suffering excessively from extreme heartburn, angina and acute arteriosclerosis.
http://takemycountryback.com/fat-guy-coat-chris-christie-excess-republicanism/

Sorry Donna, ignore my posts if they bother you. Until there is a reasonable liberal representation, this place is stuck with me. The liberal thought has been run off, so I will be the token Asshat liberal.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 12:41 PM
You may not be “here” to chit chat, I report, but your grasp of reality is tenuous at times.

Economies, like weather systems are not constant. Each state of being, like thunderstorms, contains the seeds of its own destruction.The Gilded Age, the Roaring twenties and the Morning in America were not idiocy. They represent the synergistic combination of factors which let the economy surge. While its true the income disparity was high, the general condition of a majority improved.

Too little regulation, government policy, the weather, greed, or anything you care to mention ended the prosperous spells. Our “experts'” major error was assuming the good times were self perpetuating and would last forever.Their policies made recessions worse than they should have been.

We need a combination of socialism and capitalism to smooth rough edges. Instead, we over react and send ourselves into bipolar swings of too much of one or the other. Obama and the Democrats have taken us into new territory. Previous exuberance during our near boom contributed to our recession, but the liberal agenda has made it worse and longer lived than it should be.

Do you honestly prefer what we have today over 1874, 1925, or 1996? If you do, I can find a foreclosed house to sell you cheap.

Obama and his allies, like conservative politicians try to do good, but they also do well. For the rest of us, they will equalize the misery.

Hi Donna.

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By: James on October 1, 2011
at 12:21 PM
Is Sarah Palin in trouble over at FOX? Seems like it to me.

http://crooksandliars.com/tina-dupuy/palin-now-feuding-juan-williams-and-meg

BTW: The retirement fund theft: Who lost their retirement funds while the CEO types retirements got fatter and fatter: THE MIDDLE CLASS! You really should read about how retirement funds were plundered.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 11:49 AM
AA – Can anyone see what is happening to our country? Can anyone see what Obama and his ilk are doing? He knows exactly what he is doing…he must destroy America..in order to rebuild it into his Socialist dream with him as the King or Dictator..he knows how to do this as he studied under Marxist Professors and Socialist Professors for years.

Source please, justify this remark, prove it, show me where this is true!! Must be reality based and at least 95% fact. Any opinions you pull out of your f*****ng arse will not be considered valid.

Thank you. Looking forward to your response.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on October 1, 2011
at 11:45 AM
How Retirement Funds were stolen from the average working person the last 30 years. Who benefited? Top Management of course. (The top 1 percent.) Interesting information.

http://www.alternet.org/books/152549/how_companies_plunder_and_profit_from_the_nest_eggs_of_american_workers/?page=4

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 10:37 AM
Can anyone see what is happening to our country? Can anyone see what Obama and his ilk are doing? He knows exactly what he is doing…he must destroy America..in order to rebuild it into his Socialist dream with him as the King or Dictator..he knows how to do this as he studied under Marxist Professors and Socialist Professors for years.

He is spending us into debt that is so large we can never pay it off, increasing taxes, massive new regulations, rules, laws that take our freedom away and destroying free enterprise.

As Marx one said, “American cannot be destroyed from the outside, it must be destroyed from within”..to do this they must use naive people like Liberals, people who are takers, they must organize these people into loud vocal groups who insist that the government take care of them. Then they must destroy our educational system by removing real education, patriotism, faith, and replace it with no knowing classes, get rid of discipline, hamper the teachers so that they cannot teach, introduce immorality as a good thing. Our public school system is terrible, thanks to the Dept of Education that has destroyed our schools. Next, they must convince the people that the “wealthy” must be taxed at nearly 70% or more, once that is accomplished the term “wealthy” will apply to all those who make much less, soon all people will be overtaxed and have no choice but to depend upon the gov for handouts. To continue with this evil plan, the Christian-Judea philosophy that this country was founded on must be destroyed..as is being done today.

Capitalism must be made to be evil, while Socialism is shoved down our throats. BTW, Socialism has never worked anywhere in the world at any time..it always leads to government corruption, starvation and poverty and eventually a Dictatorship.

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By: Anonymous on October 1, 2011
at 10:34 AM
So much for I Report backing off on mindlessly posting links. It’s difficult not to conclude that this is a deliberate attempt to discourage people from using the blog, under the guise of a rather dim poster with an obsessive use of exclamation points. I Report, to use a term with which I first became familiar on this blog, you’re an asshat.

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By: Donna on October 1, 2011
at 10:16 AM
If you check that overly long post, what I suspected about this guy is obviously true. He copied and pasted someone elses work twice, thus making for the unusual length.

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By: Anonymous on October 1, 2011
at 10:15 AM
Good morning, I Report. I wonder if you are familiar with blog etiquette? One thing that is generally appreciated is not making overly long posts. Although I appreciate you doing something other than constantly posting links, perhaps you can now take the additional step of appreciating that when you post something very lengthy, it makes it more difficult for others to enjoy the blog or post themselves.

Regardless of the fact that I probably agree with much of your politics, I believe you are harming this blog and making it far less enjoyable than it can and should be. Thank you in advance for respecting others.

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By: Donna on October 1, 2011
at 10:05 AM
Here is the Bill Maher link – goofed on the last one. Jesus as a Republican Presidential Candidate.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/10/bill-maher-on-how-fickle-republicans.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 9:59 AM
Bill Maher on the current Republican Candidates and What if Jesus ran as a Republican.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09/27-2

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 9:56 AM
Why aren’t the Wall Street Protests being covered?

Not to be flip, but if 60-80 people were arrested for dog-fighting, or for wrangling outside a tony nightclub, or protesting at the United Nations, that might have gotten coverage. I’m pretty sure that would have received some attention. But this: In my humble opinion, it got very little. Some, finally – but people had to be hurt, and the police department’s reputation tarnished, when neither was necessary if the media were operating as it should.

Since then, media coverage has been defensive. (Said one reporter, and I’m paraphrasing here: “It’s not fair to say Occupy Wall Street hasn’t been covered.” And then a short list of stories was included to prove the point.) And the coverage has been light: I was impressed Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and even Stephen Colbert have noted this is more than dismissive hippy-ism; but no major news organization has (to the best of my knowledge) paid more than the barest attention thus far.

Why?

Perhaps it’s because no one wants a popular movement or peaceful rebellion to spread at a time when many Americans are fed up with their dysfunctional government leaders. We have enough problems, the leaders and media friends might be thinking: Why stir the pot?

Perhaps it’s because they sense, as does Bloomberg, that once a train like this gets going, it can be hijacked by the wrong people and cause real damage. (That, alone, is worthy of another story altogether.) But is that a reason to quell coverage, really?

In the end, though, a large-scale failure to acknowledge and cover this “small” group of protestors – now growing in numbers, thanks to outrage at the rough-housing NYPD, and quickly propagating similar groups in other cities such as Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington, D.C., etc. – is akin to a media blindness.

The media’s job is not to turn a blind eye. The media’s job is to report. Period. Which is yet another reason why Americans are not trusting the modern media. And I have to say, given what I’ve witnessed in recent days in and around Zuccotti Park, that I clearly understand why my profession is much maligned these days.

If people are there, and they have something worthwhile to say – regardless of whether it is popular or potentially alarming or against the political status quo – it is news. Good reporters should be covering it, regardless of their personal political preferences – and let Americans come to their own conclusions.

Is it a media blackout?

Sure seems that way to me. If I can cover one voice about a Gulf War, and contribute to society’s understanding of our greater human experience, then the media can certainly begin paying attention to thousands of marchers – and what appears to be the beginnings of an American movement.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09/27-2

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 9:25 AM
Evolution is a “theory that’s out there but it’s got gaps?” No. Wrong again, cowboy.

Texas is a jobs miracle? Government has never created a single job?

Well, since 2007, private sector jobs decreased by .6% in Texas, while public sector employment (AKA government jobs) grew by 6.4%, much of that funded by the federal stimulus program. Exactly the opposite of what Perry claims. Texas is a national leader in one category: low-wage, low-benefit jobs. That’s just the kind of miracle that awaits credulous voters who can’t see past the slick, corporate funded advertisements to … reality.

Perry is merely the leading clown of nine evil clowns vying for the Republican nomination. They all seem more interested in making you afraid and making you hate than in making you laugh. They also display a contempt for reality and truth. Yet their individual lies – as destructive as they are – are small potatoes compared to the faulty map we’re using to set national policy.

We can start with Reaganomics and its toxic legacy. You know, government-is-the-problem-shrink-it-until-you-can-drown-it orthodoxy, combined with the notion that the free market is the font of all good things, if we just leave it alone and get gubmint’ off its back.

This particular bit of idiocy has been tried three times. First in the 1880’s through the 1890s, then again in the 1920’s, and finally between 1980 and 2008. Each period featured laissez-faire economic policies like low taxes, small government, deregulation, and corporate-friendly policies. And guess what? Each period brought extreme income inequality and the inevitable economic collapse that follows.

It’s possible after the Great Depression a few folks still believed these policies could lead to prosperity. But after 2008? After going 0 for 3? In baseball, there’s a name for that: striking out.

But that’s reality. And we don’t need no stinkin’ reality.

Evolution is a “theory that’s out there but it’s got gaps?” No. Wrong again, cowboy.

Texas is a jobs miracle? Government has never created a single job?

Well, since 2007, private sector jobs decreased by .6% in Texas, while public sector employment (AKA government jobs) grew by 6.4%, much of that funded by the federal stimulus program. Exactly the opposite of what Perry claims. Texas is a national leader in one category: low-wage, low-benefit jobs. That’s just the kind of miracle that awaits credulous voters who can’t see past the slick, corporate funded advertisements to … reality.

Perry is merely the leading clown of nine evil clowns vying for the Republican nomination. They all seem more interested in making you afraid and making you hate than in making you laugh. They also display a contempt for reality and truth. Yet their individual lies – as destructive as they are – are small potatoes compared to the faulty map we’re using to set national policy.

We can start with Reaganomics and its toxic legacy. You know, government-is-the-problem-shrink-it-until-you-can-drown-it orthodoxy, combined with the notion that the free market is the font of all good things, if we just leave it alone and get gubmint’ off its back.

This particular bit of idiocy has been tried three times. First in the 1880’s through the 1890s, then again in the 1920’s, and finally between 1980 and 2008. Each period featured laissez-faire economic policies like low taxes, small government, deregulation, and corporate-friendly policies. And guess what? Each period brought extreme income inequality and the inevitable economic collapse that follows.

It’s possible after the Great Depression a few folks still believed these policies could lead to prosperity. But after 2008? After going 0 for 3? In baseball, there’s a name for that: striking out.

But that’s reality. And we don’t need no stinkin’ reality.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09/24-0

I am not here to chit chat folks.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on October 1, 2011
at 9:16 AM
Well now that we know I Repost can talk it makes it all the much worse. All the things he proclaims to believe in, yet he can never hold up to any kind of debate on his subjects. This just makes everything he does even more of a mystery and to me anyway completely pointless.

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By: Anonymous on October 1, 2011
at 8:23 AM
Good for I Report.

I have cousins in Austin, and my late aunt and uncle lived in San Antonio.

My sympathies to you because of your brother and for your long drought.

Most of our family never smoked.

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By: James on October 1, 2011
at 6:03 AM
I report finally said something!!!!!!!

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By: uawtradesman on October 1, 2011
at 5:51 AM
Juanita Jean has another comment about Rick Perry! I notice that Rush is questioning the credentials of Chris Christie – interesting.

I Speak Texan. That’s a Lot Like English.
September 30, 2011

So a fancy pants professor at Texas A&M University wrote an editorial in the Houston Comical this morning. He was trying to say that Rick Perry was not doing well on the national stage because Rick speaks Texan and the rest of the country doesn’t.

That’s pure unadulterated Caca de Toro.

Rick Perry is not doing well on the national stage because he’s an undereducated idiot.

Professor John R. Hanson II can kiss my butt. I am a fifth generation Texan, totally educated in Texas public schools and universities, and I’ll take on all comers with Shakespeare or Aristophanes. I know the poetry of Dante and Willie Nelson. We are not some hick outpost. Nor have we developed some kind of language that only twins understand.

And then the professor tries this little ditty —

It is therefore not surprising that our leading politicians today have a handicap performing on the national stage. Nor did previous political leaders from Texas, such as Lyndon Johnson, Lloyd Bentsen, John Connally or Sam Rayburn have reputations as grand orators.

First off, Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rayburn performed pretty darn well when it came to wielding power.

But, more importantly, did Hanson not hear Barbara Jordan? Ann Richards? Bill Moyers? Charlie Wilson? Henry Cisneros? Senfronia Thompson? And I know you Texans out there can help me with other names I’m forgetting in my desire to drive to College Station today and get all up in Professor Hanson’s face.

Hell, Cicero probably came from Texas.

Thanks to Bubba for the heads-up this morning when he spit coffee all over his newspaper while reading that it’s Texas’ fault that Rick Perry can’t communicate with adults.

UAW – sorry about your friend. BTW: Did your friend smoke? Most of my family smoked and a brother has cancer in multiple organs, just found out. He quit smoking 10 years ago. I was the black sheep of the family and never smoked. The fascination with sucking speaks more about you than me.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 9:31 PM
So far, the “fanciful analysis” of the right has been superior to the leftists’ dream world. The bill sounds like what we need, but the stimulus and other legislation did too.

I’m sorry uawtradesman. I’ve wondered the same thing. Your joke was funny, though.

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By: James on September 30, 2011
at 8:52 PM
I should probably apologize for that but I found out that a friend has throat cancer and I just wonder why things like that happens to some people and nothing happens to people that are using up air that some asthmatic needs(like I Report)

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By: uawtradesman on September 30, 2011
at 8:01 PM
I Report said to the Lord “I WANT TO SUCK COCK”……
and the Lord said” NO…DO NOT SUCK COCK”……
and I Report said “CAN I JUST MOUTH IT A LITTLE”…..
and the Lord said”WHO REALLY GIVES A F^&K….YOUR DOING A GOOD JOB NOW”…..

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By: uawtradesman on September 30, 2011
at 7:46 PM
We didn’t crash the economy! Why are we picking up the tab?
This really is great!!!!! It makes total sense!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 7:43 PM
Chris Christie and Sarah Palin – will they run?? Good!

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/oddest-couple-chris-christie-and-sarah.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 7:21 PM
Chris Christie…

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 7:05 PM
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/jobs-jobs-nonsense-schools-jobs.html

The legislation, submitted to Congress this month, would increase gross domestic product by 0.6 percent next year and add or keep 275,000 workers on payrolls, the median estimates in the survey of 34 economists showed. The program would also lower the jobless rate by 0.2 percentage point in 2012, economists said. For those keeping score at home, that’s a “jobs plan” that costs more than $1.6 million per job. If the president wants to spend taxpayer dollars to provoke demand-side job creation, he would be better off holding a lottery and giving $10,000 apiece to 45 million people.
Seriously, this is what passes for “intellectual analysis” on the right…fanciful economies in which a one-time boost of 10k is more beneficial than a steady, long-term job. Why, it’s almost as asinine as Ron Paul’s claim that lowering the minimum wage would help poor people. No; I am not making that up. Wingfield’s piece also completely ignores the long-term value of investing in education, naturally.
Obama’s $447 billion jobs package includes $30 billion to renovate high schools and community colleges nationwide, and an additional $30 billion to help local jurisdictions hire and retain teachers. …“Places like South Korea are adding teachers in droves to prepare their kids for the global economy. We’re laying ours off left and right,” Obama told students and teachers in the school’s parking lot. “All across the country, budget cuts are forcing superintendents to make choices they don’t want to make. . . . It’s unfair to our kids; it undermines their future; it has to stop.”
It’s as though those of conservative bent are congenitally incapable of long-term vision; who in their right mind would suggest we shouldn’t fund schools better and provide quality education to all Americans everywhere? Is it not patently obvious that a solid education opens the doors for people to be entrepreneurs and “job creators” and make industrious contributions to life, society and the GDP? Maybe they resent being too daft to grasp such concepts and don’t want anyone else to be able to either?

The bill saves jobs, makes long-term investments in the country, cuts the deficit and is totally paid for.
President Barack Obama’s $447 billion jobs plan would help avoid a return to recession by maintaining growth and pushing down the unemployment rate next year, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. …The plan “prevents a contraction of the economy in the first quarter” of next year, said John Herrmann, a senior fixed-income strategist at State Street Global Markets LLC in Boston, who participated in the survey.
What is Congress waiting for, indeed.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 6:59 PM
A Man Walks Into A Bar
September 30, 2011 By: Juanita Jean Category: Uncategorized
http://juanitajean.com/

A man walked into a very high-tech bar. As he sat down on a stool he noticed that the bartender was a robot. The robot clicked to attention and asked, “Sir, what will you have?”

The man thought a moment then replied “A martini please.”

The robot clicked a couple of times and mixed the best martini the man had ever had.

The robot then asked, “Sir, what is your IQ?” The man answered “Oh, about 174.”

The robot then proceeded to discuss the theory of relativity, inter-stellar space travel, the latest medical breakthroughs, etc…

The man was most impressed. He left the bar but thought he would try a different tack. He returned and took a seat. Again the robot clicked and asked what would he have? “A martini please.”

Again it was superb. The robot again asked “What is your IQ sir?”

This time the man answered, “Oh, about 120″. So the robot started discussing NASCAR racing, the latest basketball scores, and what to expect the Dodgers to do this week end.

The guy had to try it one more time. So he left, returned and took a stool…. Again a martini, and the question, “What is your IQ?” This time the man drawled out ” Uh…… bout 50″.

The robot clicked then leaned close and very slowly asked,

“A-r-e…

y-o-u-r…

p-e-o-p-l-e…

r-e-a-l-l-y

g-o-i-n-g…

t-o…

n-o-m-i-n-a-t-e….

R-i-c-k…P-e-r-r-y?”

Thank to Robert for the great Friday heads-up.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 5:58 PM
Another thing, Warren Buffet said he doesn’t endorse the tax provisions in Obama’s bill though it was informally named after him. He was referring to people who earn over fifty million dollars or more, not families earning $250,000 or more.Buffet was concerned with only a few thousand people of the over 300 million people who file income tax forms.

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By: James on September 30, 2011
at 11:59 AM
“Even though fifty-some percent of the American people think that the eocnomy tanked because of the last administration, that’s not relevant” Biden stressed. “What’s relevant is we’re in charge. And right now we are the ones in charge and it’s gotten better, but it hasn’t gotten good enough.” Vice President Biden

The Tea Party has major influence in only one branch of the government. The Tea Party, not Republicans or Democrats forced the discussion to include spending cuts. Republicans were willing to agree to billions of dollars in tax raises during the budget ceiling debate. Obama, not the Tea Party blew the deal when he refused to compromise.

He and the Democrats basically refused to compromise when they held both houses. Obama replied to Republicans who complained about being cut from the process with “I won the election.”

The Obama jobs bill is really a re- election bill. Senator Durbin said it doesn’t have enough Democratic support to pass. That is not the Tea Party’s fault. It is also not the Tea Party’s fault that even when they had most of the power, Democrats did not create a budget. It is not the Tea Party’s fault that the Democrats used most of their political capital on Obamacare instead of creating better conditions for job creation. The Tea Party and Republicans did not create the failed stimulus law.

Obama care was supposed to lower health insurance rates. They are going up, and a White House spokesperson told Jake Tapper, I think, that the increase was unexpected. The savings should begin about 2019 or so they believe.

All of these factors are a drain on consumer and business spending.

I agree I Report, we are adrift with little left to correct our course. Even worse other welfare nations are also facing budgetary problems as bad or worse than ours. Our lifelines are frayed.

A poll reported by Fox News, I think showed the majority of people polled believe if Obama were a CEO, he would have been fired.

If we have a double dip recession, it will be Obama’s fault in similar fashion as FDR’s putting “Great” in our depression.

If we do officially enter the double dip recession it will be the Obama double dip, not the Tea Party’s.

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By: James on September 30, 2011
at 8:57 AM
I Repost, could you show your evidence that conservatives are solely at fault? This would mean that Obama is a completely ineffectual President. He couldn’t do it with a super majority in congress the first two years, and he can’t do it now. Are the powers so limited as President that you claim he cannot do anything, or is it the man in office?

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By: Anonymous on September 30, 2011
at 7:48 AM
The Ironic Report,

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 7:39 AM
If you want me to depress you some more, let me tell you what really worries me. If we do go into recession this time around, what will be different from 2008 and 2009 is even if the recession isn’t as deep, we either don’t have the policy ammunition to fight it or we have convinced ourselves that we don’t have the policy ammunition to fight it. So what will the policy response be? Bernanke just showed you he thinks he has very little ammunition left. There’s no way Congress will go in for another big stimulus package. And the Europeans are tied up in the belief that they need to balance their budget.

Just remember: it doesn’t have to be this way, no matter how often and how loudly Republicans shriek about austerity and budget deficits. If we want them to, both monetary and fiscal policy can have plenty of bite left. Bottom line: If we plummet into a second recession, it will be solely the fault of fanatical conservatives in Congress who refuse for reasons both partisan and ideological to acknowledge that we can do something about this. It’ll be the Tea Party Recession of 2011.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 6:55 AM
The Teaparty recession is on its way!

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/09/coming-soon-tea-party-recession-2011

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 30, 2011
at 6:52 AM
I knew what to do…..just didn’t want to destem that many……they came from my wife’s aunt and uncles place………they’ve been there probably 70 years(purple seeded grapes)……….they crushed down to about 25 gal. that’s musting right now……..have to go to the big city….only found 1 pkg of Lalvin EC-1118…….and I’ve only got 3 of the 5 rows picked……

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By: uawtradesman on September 29, 2011
at 9:49 PM
I forgot, Anon. Thanks for giving us a good word.

By coincidence, my wife took a grape salad to our American Legion flag burning and pot luck supper last night.

Delurkergurl, your comments gave me a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. I’m sorry about your husband, and hope he finds another job soon.

Yes, it has been this politically bad before, especially in the 19th century.

The closest to this time that I remember is the late sixties and seventies. Some people called ours a sick society,. We all seemed to be splitting apart.

The 1980s were partisan too, but Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neil drank and played golf together during their time off.

Except for the sixties and early seventies, this is about as futile as I can remember in my life time. These things are cyclical and eventually times will get better. But for now, I’d be scared or depressed, if I weren’t too bull-headed to give in to such feelings.

I know you feel bad about your departed friends. I had e friends like that too. For six years, we shared personal stuff and helped each other when we were down. I drifted away, for two years because I needed to be alone, and now the site is closed.

This one is for you and anyone else who needs to know someone cares. It is corny and doesn’t mean much except that I took the trouble to repeat the words. Its my way of showing I care what happens to you.

” My old friend
came down from
mountain
Without even looking
he found a little truth
You can go through life
with the greatest intentions
but you do what you just got to do
Your blue might be gray
Your less might be more
Your window to the world
might be your own front door
Your shiniest day
might come in the middle of the night
Its just about right.”

Blackhawk

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By: James on September 29, 2011
at 9:24 PM
A Florida Author will pay for drug tests for all Florida legislators. It would be interesting to see if the rate of drug usage was greater than the 2.5 % of those who are on welfare in FL/

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/columnist-offers-fund-drug-tests-florida-law

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 29, 2011
at 8:26 PM
Jon Stewart has Sarah Palin’s number: He says she is either running for President or she is a crazy person.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/jon-stewart-on-sarah-palin-you-are.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 29, 2011
at 7:47 PM
I have a grape salad recipe, too, come to think of it. But a pound or so of grapes make enough for a dish to pass at a potluck.

Thank you, James. You, too, Pfesser. I haven’t had much to say lately, here or even on my own pseudo-blog. I always look forward to fall weather but find the pace to be awfully stressful. Mostly it’s good – hard to say too much good but it’s a lot of logistics for a working mom. I am not feeling the gloom that the media wants me to feel, though, even though my husband has been out of a job for several months. I believe course correction is needed but just like driving on ice, I don’t believe yanking hard on the wheel is safe or necessary. I think some great programs have been halfway implemented, which is discouraging because they can’t really succeed that way. I pray that the parties can find a way to put America first but politics first seems to be the way. Way to much “for it before they were against it” going on. Has it always been this futile? I wasn’t really interested in politics until about 8 years ago so even though I know some of the history I don’t have a lot of recollection of tone/vibe.

I wish the best for my friends here, and I miss so many of them. I wish others would get a hobby. 🙂

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By: delurkergurl on September 29, 2011
at 6:33 PM
UAW- I have a wonderful recipe for an unusual salad which uses grapes but am thinking using 45 gallons of grapes would make on the order of 300 gallons of salad…hmmm, not gonna work.

Make wine with most of it , make concentrated grape juice and freeze it,… whatever… save a couple pounds of grapes and I’ll post the recipe for the salad if you want it.

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By: alaskapi on September 29, 2011
at 5:44 PM
uawtradesman. Are they wild grapes? We have some around here. I hear they make good wine. Has anyone made wild plum jelly?

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By: James on September 29, 2011
at 5:05 PM
Hi delurkergurl. The feeling is mutual. I also look forward to your posts.

I was checking our flooded land and the receding water this afternoon. I found an apricot tree. It is dead or dormant, but the branches are filled with apricots. If you were here, I’d share them with you and the others.

Edmund G., I am a survivor, not a victim, and I am proud of it. I didn’t think Lake Wobwegone existed until you shared your story.

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By: James on September 29, 2011
at 4:59 PM
Typo correction
“Judging a person does not define who they are, it defines who you are.”

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By: Anonymous on September 29, 2011
at 3:33 PM
Edmund G. Two things. #1 you should check out other threads on this blog to see how the Liberals have treated those people you singled out, then if you are able, put that treatment into perspective. #2 something my Grandmother always told me; “Judging a person does not define you they are, it defines who you are.”

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By: Anonymous on September 29, 2011
at 2:27 PM
UAW, have you ever made wine? What kind of grapes are they?

Hi Donna, Pi, James, Pfesser, Donna and Cynthia. I’m glad to see you guys stopping by here, in spite of those who are on a mission to kill it.Pumpkin pie season is upon us. “Keep your fork.”

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By: delurkergurl on September 29, 2011
at 2:24 PM
Interesting, what do you all think?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obamas-senior-advisor-valerie-jarrett-to-african-americans-the-point-of-government-is-to-give-people-a-livelihood-so-they-can-provide-for-their-families/

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By: Anonymous on September 29, 2011
at 2:19 PM
I have been reading this blog off and on for some time now. I love Helen’s posts and her keen sense of humor. I don’t know where any of the people who comment here live, nor do I particularly care to know. But a few of them seem to live in the same neighborhood and know each other well. They have perfected the fine art of kill-joy. My impression is, this “PFesser” is the self-appointed expert authority on all things lousy. His counterpart is “James”, the perpetual victim. One of the “Anonymous” is running a close second to both. They relish spreading doom and gloom on a daily basis while insulting the intelligence of others. The negativity never quits. It is possible that these men equate an excess of aggressive criticism with manliness. Pleasant is certainly not their style. “I Report, You Decide” believes that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery when it comes to incessant boredom.

Where I live, people are loving and kind. From the grocery cashier, the plumber, the business owner to the professional, each greets everyone with a cheery smile and tries their very best to be helpful. This includes courteous drivers on the road. There is an occasional ill-tempered grouch, but that is by far the exception, not the rule. He is avoided like the plague. Despite the inevitable crises and tribulations of life we all experience at one time or another in our lives, our families, friends and neighbors are always there with a helping hand. Often even strangers step up to the plate, including courteous drivers on the road. Most of the time, we all have smart and constructive ideas on how to solve problems. They don’t always work out to perfection so then we get busy and come up with better innovations for solutions in a never ending cycle of successful choices. We are happy people.

I like where I live.

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By: Edmund G. on September 29, 2011
at 2:09 PM
Grape Juice, no sugar added. The kind that makes the side of your face hurt when you take a sip and sends you to the bathroom if you have more than a few ounces in a sitting.

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By: Anonymous on September 29, 2011
at 2:01 PM
What to do…What to do….
nine 5 gal pails of grapes……
No I’m not making jelly….

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By: uawtradesman on September 29, 2011
at 1:05 PM
Give me specific examples of how the economist’s theoreticians recomendations actually succeeded. I don’t care if examples go back to Roman times or last week. Show me a society which became wealthy because it did what those economists suggested.

You know my past from the Air Force on. I learned a few things. “Experts” are usually wrong, and they unwittingly cause a lot of pain. Our current experts and leaders promised us the world .They gave us heartache. And you expect us to care what they say?

I trust my instincts more than they. Experience is a great teacher.

“Time is a teacher
He’s taught me well
A loser is the one
who cries
And when you’ve
cried like a baby
and you’ve felt like hell
You know the Devil
by the look
in his eyes”

Jennifer Warnes

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By: James on September 29, 2011
at 10:37 AM
Teaparty MENSA meeting! Juanita Jean has another great one! You do not want to miss this one!

http://juanitajean.com/2011/09/29/tea-party-mensa-meeting/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 29, 2011
at 8:41 AM
Jon Stewart: Chris Christie’s answer So very great!

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/chris-christies-answer

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 29, 2011
at 8:34 AM
Income: Past and Present – the inequities which are now happening!
Honestly: It is UNAMERICAN!!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 29, 2011
at 8:09 AM
An honest Conversation: TAXING THE RICH, a modest tax increase.http://www.muddypolitics.com/2011/09/honest-conversation.html

http://www.muddypolitics.com/2011/09/honest-conversation.html

That said, The Economist gives “three good reasons why the wealthy should pay more tax.”

First, the West’s deficits should not be closed by spending cuts alone. Public spending should certainly take the brunt: there is plenty of scope to slim inefficient Leviathan, and studies of past deficit-cutting programmes suggest they work best when cuts predominate. Britain’s four-to-one ratio is about right. But, as that ratio implies, experience also argues that higher taxes should be part of the mix. In America the tax take is historically low after years of rate reductions. There, and elsewhere, tax rises need to bear some of the burden.
Second, there is a political argument for raising this new revenue from the rich. Spending cuts fall disproportionately on the less well-off; and, even before the crunch, median incomes were stagnating. Meanwhile, globalisation has been rewarding winners ever more generously. Voters’ support for ongoing austerity depends on a disproportionate share of any new revenue coming from the wealthy. …

(T)he third argument for raising more money from the rich is that it can be done not by increasing marginal tax rates, but by making the tax code more efficient.… Getting rid of the deductions would simplify the code and raise as much as $1 trillion a year. Since the main beneficiaries of the deductions are the wealthy, richer folk would pay most of that. And since marginal rates would be untouched (or reduced), such a reform would do less to discourage them from creating wealth.

The result would be “A larger overall tax take from the rich, without hurting the dynamism of the economy.”

Our elected leaders would be wise to take The Economist’s advice, as reforming the entire tax code – “curbing exemptions, credits and deductions” – would save a $1 trillion of the $1.5 trillion in spending Congress is tasked with cutting by November 23rd. It lowers the debt without slowing economic growth or punishing “job creators.”

You can’t take The Economist’s words as the Gospel – especially in a literal context, as there’s very little “good news” in the whole news magazine – but its (anonymous) editors are correct. Taxing the rich is fair. Budget cuts hit the less-well-off more disproportionally than the wealthy. And common sense says balancing the budget requires balanced sacrifice.

The president has already agreed to trillions of dollars in budget cuts over the next decade. Politically, he has made his sacrifice, and by doing so he’s given himself the credibility necessary to start that “real,” “honest” and “legitimate” conversation with America, with Congress, and with the millionaires who’ve been “generously rewarded” by globalization and years of “historically low” tax rate reductions.

Obama isn’t talking about talking about tax increases. He’s actually starting a conversation. In contrast to Perry’s attack on Social Security as being a fraudulent scam, or Ryan’s call for destroying Medicare, the tax increases in Obama’s American Jobs Act are popular, and therefore possible.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 29, 2011
at 7:42 AM
There is only one good answer to the question. Whatever the woman decides.

It is an interesting petition position. i like it, but it carries some unanswered questions. For one, how do candidates advertise themselves and their messages?

I agree. We all need to get involved. Maybe this petition would attract attention.

Stranger things have happened in politics. I think California’s tax revolt started with petitions who’s positions were eventually voted into law.

My wife and I attended a flag burning and pot luck supper last night. Actually, it was an American Legion old flag disposal ceremony, but my version sounds more dramatic.

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By: James on September 29, 2011
at 7:15 AM
Click to access Retiree%20health%20funding.pdf

James- the postal thingy has more to do with a 2006 change in law which requires prefunding of benefits than the fact they get benefits. Congress says it is doing specific things which oft times don’t come to pass or are skewed when poorly crafted law creates other problems.

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By: alaskapi on September 29, 2011
at 7:14 AM
OK –

It worked.

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By: PFesser on September 29, 2011
at 4:58 AM
Question for the next GOP debate: Should a woman who is raped be forced to have the baby or could she consider an abortion?

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/oct-18th-cnn-gop-debate-question-person

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 10:07 PM
Rick Perry – Bad Lip Reading – funny!! We need this Rich Perry at the debates.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/bad-lip-reading-rick-perry

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 9:05 PM
IMO – Important environmental issues:

Some have called for Keystone XL to be rerouted because of concerns about the Ogallala Aquifer, an expansive pool of fresh groundwater that lies beneath the Great Plains.

http://www.choicesmagazine.org/2003-1/2003-1-04.htm
http://www.hpwd.com/the_ogallala.asp

The Ogallala aquifer (pronounced OH-GA-LA-LA) is one of the largest aquifer systems in the world. It stretches across all or portions of eight states generally from north to south to include South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas and underlies about 174,000 square miles.

And

http://wilderness.org/content/great-outdoors-giveaway-would-open-even-more-lands-corporate-polluters

H.R. 1581, the Wilderness and Roadless Area Release Act, which we like to call the “Great Outdoors Giveaway”. Today corporate polluters and developers have access to 76 percent of National Forests and Bureau of Land Management (BLM) lands, leaving less than a quarter of those lands, with some level of wilderness protection. Under H.R. 1581, the Great Outdoors Giveaway, that percentage of protected lands would shrink to just 12 percent, giving polluters and developers’ access to a whopping 88 percent of all National Forest and BLM lands.

Check out the areas that will be lost. Perhaps one near you – AK, CA, CO, FL, IL, MN, MT, NM, NV, PA, OR, VA, WA, W VA, WY

Okay before you start complaining, I am through. I will leave you with this:

Borrowed:

There once was a man named Ailes
Who thought the news was stale
He hired some guys
To spread nothing but lies
And America began to fail.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 28, 2011
at 8:36 PM
Please check this out –.

“By signing this petition, you are joining our campaign to get money out of politics.”

For those of you who say what good does it do to sign a petition – I don’t know but –
what harm will it cause if we do. What if 1 million people signed or 2 or 5 or 10 or 20 million signed? What if it were to be put on a ballot and we got to vote on it?

We all know Congress won’t do anything about it.

Or we can just sit on our fat butts and do nothing!!!

http://www.getmoneyout.com/

“No person, corporation or business entity of any type, domestic or foreign, shall be allowed to contribute money, directly or indirectly, to any candidate for Federal office or to contribute money on behalf of or opposed to any type of campaign for Federal office. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, campaign contributions to candidates for Federal office shall not constitute speech of any kind as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution or any amendment to the U. S. Constitution. Congress shall set forth a federal holiday for the purposes of voting for candidates for Federal office.”

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 28, 2011
at 8:23 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-26-2011/indecision-2012—the-great-right-hope—the-gop-finds-another-ideal-candidate

Here is the link – I hope it works this time. Too great to miss.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 8:04 PM
The latest maybe entrant into the beauty pageant is??? Jon Stewart has some information for you!!!! Please look at the thing of beauty above before checking this out. You want to get maximum impact!!!!

/www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-26-2011/indecision-2012—the-great-right-hope—the-gop-finds-another-ideal-candidate

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 7:40 PM
The truly is a thing of beauty! From Juanitajean

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 7:11 PM
Will Chris Christie be the next Republican flavor of the month? Rachel Maddow checks it out.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/just-in-case-there-are-not-enough-nails.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 6:58 PM
Anon, I agree. Thousands or millions might die in such a revolt either from bullets or starvation. It is the last thing anyone wants to see. However, there is a certain point when people feel so disrespected, oppressed, and ignored that they will take up arms.We are watching a protracted revolution in the Middle East as people fire governments which broke their social contracts.

Such revolutions may fail, or they may convince governments to become more attentive to their citizen’s needs, but they are almost inevitable.

We are civilized, but under our lawful veneer beat the hearts of 30,000 year-old Cro Magnum people. We are as violent and pitiless as anyone else on earth.

I was just being theoretical based on human history. Actually, our revolution has already begun, and it has caused a counter revolution fought with votes, speeches, and legislation. Look around you. Its all over the news.

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By: James on September 28, 2011
at 12:40 PM
The difference James being we are a more civilized country with massive amounts of the population living in large cities and ill equipped to survive long without the infrastructures that are in place in a society such as ours. If a large revolt were to take place, and production and transport of the things we need to live on day by day were to be disrupted, I think we would have chaos unlike we have seen in any of our lifetimes, and the death toll would be massive. Not to mention our foes taking the opportunity to try and take advantage of us and inflict massive damage upon us.

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By: Anonymous on September 28, 2011
at 12:10 PM
Cynthia, you’re right.

It does help to know history. People tend to react to similar events in similar ways. Religious ebb and flow has been with us since the beginning. Mormons, Christian Scientists, and Methodists are a few of the relics of past Christian reawakenings.

Another thing we won’t hear in the national news happened on Omaha yesterday. Many people were protesting the proposed closure of post offices. Among the demonstrators were the Postal Workers Union.

The leader said the postal department is in trouble because of guaranteed medical and other benefits as well as changing mail exchange patterns. He said if the benefits agreement was altered, the service would have a half million dollar surplus this year, and union workers would keep their jobs.

Yes, anon, we are living in historic times. if we stick together, I think it will work out all right in the end. We have gone through such things before. If the worst happens, we will settle it with guns. That has happened many times before. Kulpepper’s, Shay’s, Bacon’s other revolts are just three of the examples.

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By: James on September 28, 2011
at 11:47 AM
And a Police state was born.

There are so many examples of this it is almost no longer a surprise, and that in and of itself is disturbing. We have on record Obama saying that he wish he could by pass congress and just act. He has 3 times now that I am aware of acted without congressional approval where congress said Obama exceeded his authority. Today on Glen Beck he played audio of a Democrat who said the congressional process is hurting America, and that we need to form super committees to bypass congress to get things done. As we all know there has already been a supper committee formed that is bypassing congress. We are watching history being made right now in our lives. We are watching our nation being transformed. You will be able to tell your grandchildren as they go to their government run reeducation programs that you were there when Liberty fell.

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By: Anonymous on September 28, 2011
at 10:28 AM
Any one hear this on the news last night? No you would not!

On Tuesday, more than 700 pilots from United Continental (created by a merger of Continental Airlines and United Airlines) protested on Wall Street. Unrelated to the #OccupyWallSt protests less than a block away, the pilots were out to protest the slowness of contract negotiations.

http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2011/09/hundreds-of-united-continental-pilots-protest-on-wall-street/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042680/Wall-Street-Protests-Continental-United-Airlines-pilots-fed-bosses.html

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could turn on the news and actually get the news.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 28, 2011
at 10:26 AM
Pfesser –
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/travel/story/2011-09-27/Proposed-airline-ticket-tax-bump-has-tempers-soaring/50573866/1
Obama’s proposal, which he spelled out last week, would:
•Impose a $100 fee on each commercial airliner and corporate jet every time they take off. Only military planes and small planes with piston engines would be excluded from the new take-off fee.

I found this to be very interesting. I guess it helps to know history.

Why the Antichrist Matters in Politics

THE end is near — or so it seems to a segment of Christians aligned with the religious right. The global economic meltdown, numerous natural disasters and the threat of radical Islam have fueled a conviction among some evangelicals that these are the last days. While such beliefs might be dismissed as the rantings of a small but vocal minority, apocalyptic fears helped drive the antigovernment movements of the 1930s and ’40s and could help define the 2012 presidential campaign as well.

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By: Cynthia on September 28, 2011
at 10:02 AM
“I remember walkin
round the court
square sidewalks
lookin in the
windows at a thing
I couldn’t want
There’s Johnson’s
Hardware and
Morgan’s Jewelry
And the ol’ Lee
King’s Aporthecary
They were the
little man

I go back now
and the stores
are empty
Except an old
Coke sign
dated 1950
Boarded up like
they never
existed
or renovated
and called
historic districts
There goes the
little man

Now the court
square’s just a
set of streets
That people go
around but they
seldom think
‘Bout the little
man who built
this town
Before the big
money shut
’em down
and killed
the little man

He pumped your
gas and he
cleaned your glass
One cold rainy
night he fixed
your flat
A new store came
where you do it
yourself
You buy lotto
ticket and food
off the shelf

Forget the little man
He hung on
there for a few
more years
But he couldn’t
sell slurpees
and he
wouldn’t sell beer
Now the bank rents
the station to a man
down the road
And they sell velvet
Elvis and
secondhand clothes
Oh the little man

Now the stores
are lined up in
a concrete strip
You can buy the
whole world
with just one trip
Ya save a
penny ’cause
it’s jumbo size
They don’t even
realize they’re
killin the little man”

Allen Jackson

I liked the quote, Cynthia

Harry Chapin’s widow said “Cats in the Cradle” was her idea and she wrote a rough draft. Harry wasn’t especially interested until after their first son was born. Then, he knew he had to write and sing the song.

Pfessor, I read a link referring to the possible tax on the Drudge Report maybe several weeks ago.

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By: James on September 28, 2011
at 9:44 AM
PFesse. I just heard it on AM Radio news break. Not sure if it was ABC news but I think it was.

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By: Anonymous on September 28, 2011
at 9:43 AM
The Tea Party is a good example of what this fellow is talking about!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/opinion/granderson-broken-government-voters/index.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 9:27 AM
Borrowed from Alan Grayson –

What Made America Famous

It was the town that made America famous.
The churches full and the kids all gone to hell.
Six traffic lights and seven cops and all the streets kept clean.
The supermarket and the drug store and the bars all doing well.

They were the folks that made America famous.
The local fire department stocked with shorthaired volunteers.
And on Saturday night while America boozes
The fire department showed dirty movies,
The lawyer and the grocer seeing their dreams
Come to life on the movie screens
While the plumber hopes that he won’t be seen
As he tries to hide his fears and he wipes away his tears.
But something’s burning somewhere. Does anybody care?

We were the kids that made America famous.
The kind of kids that long since drove our parents to despair.
We were lazy long hairs dropping out, lost, confused, and copping out.
Convinced our futures were in doubt and trying not to care.

We lived in the house that made America famous.
It was a rundown slum, the shame of all the decent folks in town.
We hippies and some welfare cases,
Crowded families of coal black faces,
Cramped inside some cracked old boards,
The best that we all could afford
But still too nice for the rich landlord
To tear it down and we could hear the sound
Of something burning somewhere. Is anybody there?

We all lived the life that made America famous.
Our cops would make a point to shadow us around our town.
And we love children put a swastika on the bright red firehouse door.
America, the beautiful, it makes a body proud.

And then came the night that made America famous.
Was it carelessness or someone’s sick idea of a joke?
In the tinder box trap that we hippies lived in someone struck a spark.
At first I thought I was dreaming,
Then I saw the first flames gleaming
And heard the sound of children screaming.
Coming through the smoke. That’s when the horror broke.
Something’s burning somewhere. Does anybody care?

It was the fire that made America famous.
The sirens wailed and the firemen stumbled sleepy from their homes.
And the plumber yelled: “Come on let’s go!”
But they saw what was burning and said: “Take it slow,
Let ’em sweat a little, they’ll never know
And besides, we just cleaned the chrome.”

Said the plumber: “Then I’m going alone.”

He rolled on up in the fire truck
And raised the ladder to the ledge
Where me and my girl and a couple of kids
Were clinging like bats to the edge.
We staggered to salvation,
Collapsed on the street.
And I never thought that a fat man’s face
Would ever look so sweet.

I shook his hand in the scene that made America famous
And a smile from the heart that made America great
You see we spent the rest of that night in the home of a man I’d never known before.
It’s funny when you get that close it’s kind of hard to hate.

I went to sleep with the hope that made America famous.
I had the kind of a dream that maybe they’re still trying to teach in school.

Of the America that made America famous…and
Of the people who just might understand
That how together yes we can
Create a country better than
The one we have made of this land,
We have a choice to make each man
who dares to dream, reaching out his hand
A prophet or just a crazy God damned
Dreamer of a fool – yes, a crazy fool

There’s something burning somewhere.

Does anybody care?

Is anybody there?

Here is Harry singing the song, or

https://secure.mydccc.org/o/30019/p/salsa/donation/common/public/?donate_page_KEY=7105
(I don’t know how to get the song any other way, sorry and you don’t need to donate!)

On Harry Chapin’s gravestone –

Oh, if a man tried
To take his time on Earth
And prove before he died
What one man’s life could be worth
I wonder what would happen
to this world.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 28, 2011
at 9:11 AM
anon@9:03

Do you have a source on this?

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By: PFesser on September 28, 2011
at 9:08 AM
This just in, Obama has proposed a new “take off” tax for all types of aircraft. This would put a charge of $100 each time an aircraft took off from an airport. Really? Current charges already add 20% to the cost of flying. What is the positive in this?

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By: Anonymous on September 28, 2011
at 9:03 AM
It is getting harder and harder to believe Obama is trying to do good for this country. He is either completely inept, or he has a purpose that is clearly not in the best interest of this country.

Our economy is in the crapper. We have historic levels of unemployment, and what does our President do about it?

He hands us legislation that is called a jobs bill, that once you look under the surface, is nothing more than a reelection bill. Obama has demonized any American who’s wealthy, productive, or owns a business. Then, Obama has gone on to scratch his head and wonder why those same people aren’t creating jobs.

Obama is not a friend of business, and his actions have not only not helped create jobs, they have harmed business and increased unemployment. According to the Heritage Foundation, “the Obama Administration imposed 75 new major regulations from January 2009 to mid-FY 2011, with annual costs of $38 billion, and s proposing another seven new regulations that are projected to cost businesses somewhere between 35 and 100 billion dollars more. Any economist will tell you that when you need to grow jobs, that is the time to take the chains off business, not throw more on them.

When Obama care goes into effect in 2014 (why wait if people are suffering now? Politics?) business will have have tremendous costs added not to mention massive new levels of government red tape to wade through. This should spur business to hire more for sure.

New EPA regulations put into effect under the Obama administration have put additional restrictions on green house gas emissions and could cost 7.3 million jobs and add $32.2 billion annually in new regulatory costs. To add insult to injury, the EPA is planning to tighten its standards for how much dust can be in the air. As a result it is projected that 18% of the workforce in the pulp and paper mill industry would disappear.

Even though Barack Obama promised to “cut the deficit in half by the end of his term,” he has gone on the single biggest wasteful spending spree in human history. Obama’s trillion dollar stimulus did almost nothing for the economy, and created a new entitlement program that, despite phony budget projections, everyone knows will add trillions to the debt. If Obama had actually gone in a different direction and lived up to his promise to cut the deficit, America’s AAA rating would still be intact and we would not have to worry about America defaulting.

America losing its AAA rating because of this level of spending was an almost unthinkable outcome before Barack Obama became President. Business has to consider the possibility of a government caused default in less than a decade, an event that would create an economic climate in the United States that would be considerably worse than the Great Depression. All things considered is there any surprise that businesses aren’t hiring?

To continue on his job destruction program, Obama has proposed several tax hikes at a time when we can ill afford it. These include, killing the Bush tax cuts, a corporate jet tax, a value added tax, an increase in the capital gains tax, raising taxes on oil companies, a higher income tax on the “wealthy,” the taxation of digital goods and services, healthcare taxes, raising the death tax, new corporate taxes, life insurance taxes, new energy taxes, taxes on allergy medicine, taxes on oxygen tanks, new real estate taxes, new tax rates for millionaires, to name a few. The end result is that it is impossible to estimate how much of the money you’ve earned that you will be able to keep over the next few years. That uncertainty has caused job creators to hunker down, stockpile cash, and avoid hiring more people.

This country will not survive one more term of this administration. We cannot continue down this path. Set aside your political affiliations and open your eyes to what our government is doing to us all. If all that Obama aspires to do comes to pass, it will not matter what your political position is when we enter into the largest world wide great depression in recorded history.

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By: Anonymous on September 28, 2011
at 8:37 AM
I found this comment on a blog interesting:

The President is acting more and more Presidential with every outing. He is showing leadership while the GOP whines that “we need a leader.” Yes, the GOP DOES need a leader…someone who thinks rationally and without a Tea Party gun held to their head.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 8:33 AM
Americans have more trust in President Obama in dealing with the deficit than they have in Republicans.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/americans-trust-president-obama-to-deal.html

As the nation prepares for another round of deficit reduction debates, the public’s confidence in congressional leaders, particularly Republican leaders in Congress, has plummeted. Just 35% say they have a great deal or fair amount of confidence in Republican leaders in Congress to do the right thing when it comes to dealing with the federal budget deficit, down from 47% in May. Fully 62% say they have little or no confidence in the Republican leaders on this issue.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 28, 2011
at 8:29 AM
Thanks Pfessor. I think it is “exorcised.” One side effect of our experience is both of our children save what they can and they are very careful with money they do spend.

I also like what uawtradesman writes. He is pithy, clever, and to the point.

I am happy today. Someone in town removed a large iris bed to make room for a larger handicapped ramp for her disabled husband, and since we were in the right place at the right time, she gave us five gallons of iris. We planted them, and now, we have another five or ten gallons. Hooray for us!. We will plant them and next year, give some to a neighbor who lost all of her flowers in the flood.

Our son called from California last night. As I have written, he works for a multinational company in San Jose. Thanks to the California economy, his company has sent some workers to Texas. Yesterday, the divisional president and many other workers were laid off. Since our son is one of the few who know the computer system, his job is probably safe for now. He doesn’t know about our cousin.

The police interviewed our daughter yesterday, because one of her therapy clients accidently burned down his parents’ house when he was disposing of some drugs. Our daughter wouldn’t talk because it would be an abuse of client-counselor privilage. They said they could charge her with obstruction of justice. She called the boy and asked if it was all right to discuss the matter. He said it was. Since our daughter treats gang members etc. these things happen from time to time.

Omaha has been rated number six in the nation for its ability to retain and attract college graduates. Our area is still an economic oasis. KFAB is interviewing Leslie Stall who will be speaking in Omaha. She joked that “Omaha is the center of the world.” Andy Rooney will announce on Sunday that he won’t be on 60 Minutes every week. He is 92. She said Andy is a curmudgeon, but he was the one who welcomed Leslie as “one of the guys.” They are “good personal friends.”

My wife hates the video, but whenever I watch the “Glee-Safety Dance Music Video” posted by wizpants, a bunch of college students I feel good.”

It is a good day in spite of all of the links.

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By: James on September 28, 2011
at 7:34 AM
“The bottom 50% pay 2.7% of the total federal tax load.”

isn’t that because they make 2.7% of the money???????

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By: uawtradesman on September 28, 2011
at 7:13 AM
Thanks, pfesser. I couldn’t agree more. There have been repeated requests to stop the links. Certainly, an occasional one may be interesting or fun. But this is out of control and it’s thoughtless. I don’t give a rip if it’s I Report or Noah–it’s equally discourteous.

I Report–either you are spamming or you genuinely don’t care what others think. Certainly, I probably share some of your views. But you are acting like a selfish, petty child.

Noah–you are no better. You constantly post links and then use the fact that people are ignoring you to carp about how nobody “can” respond, and the fact that people are ignoring I Report to complain that nobody “calls him” on it–as though the choice to disregard indicates some sort of tolerance.

This has zero to do with POV and everything to do with the fact that you both behave like jerks.

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By: Donna on September 28, 2011
at 5:42 AM
God, man – can we PLEASE stop it with the dueling links and the multiple anonymous anonvmi? (Is that a word?) Will you please stop being so damned lazy and start posting something thoughtful that you, yourself thought of? PLEASE?!

IMHO you folks are destroying this blog. I have made it a policy to never click any of the links and just scroll by them; James and Delurker are just about the only posts I even read any more, and it looks like most of the other interesting posters are just not coming by.

Is this some kind of spambot deal? What’s going on with you people? If you are trying to get a point across, you have failed because nobody is following the links.

BTW, James – good post. Don’t worry about getting a little exorcized (exercised? Which way is right for that meaning?) about the farm situation. I’m amazed that you have kept it together as well as you have.

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By: pfesser53 on September 28, 2011
at 4:24 AM
Is there any rhyme or reason to Liberals anymore?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46470

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By: Anonymous on September 27, 2011
at 9:40 PM
More information not told to us on Obama Care.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/catholic-bishops-obamacare-reg-unprecedented-attack-religious-liberty-even-jesus

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By: Anonymous on September 27, 2011
at 9:34 PM
Shining a light on Obama’s hypocrisy

http://cnsnews.com/blog/patrick-j-buchanan/subdividing-america-win

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By: Anonymous on September 27, 2011
at 9:31 PM
Obama care will save us money? Does not appear to be the case.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obamacare-has-increased-cost-health-insurance-says-kaiser-foundation

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By: Anonymous on September 27, 2011
at 9:25 PM
Funny: States are so happy to get investment in solar power!!

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/maddow-investment-energy-infrastructure-st

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 27, 2011
at 8:15 PM
I think we have stumbled onto something profound here. As passionate as Liberals are about the Rich and their money and not paying their fair share. As passionate as Liberals are about the little people and taking care of the poor. Isn’t it interesting if they were given the opportunity to have things their way, not a single one of them have a clue how much they would take from the rich and give to the poor. While I have at times been sarcastic about the Liberal way of doing things, who knew that their was actual truth behind it. Maybe the noise is just noise, and their is no actual substance behind it. It certainly is an apt description of the Obama Presidency thus far.

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By: Anonymous on September 27, 2011
at 4:44 PM
I Report = Juneau Joe

Duh

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By: Anonymous on September 27, 2011
at 2:39 PM
If you cannot identify what fair is, how do you know what we have now isn’t fair?
The bottom 50% pay 2.7% of the total federal tax load.
The Top 1% pay 38.02%
The Top 5% pay 58.72%
The Top 10% pay 69.94%
The Top 25% pay 86.34%
The Top 50% pay 97.30%

This is the best breakdown you are going to get. Since you won’t, or cant identify what is fair, could you identify where on here that it is not fair starts at? Is it at the 1% or 5% level? Is it everyone from the 50% or above level?

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By: Anonymous on September 27, 2011
at 10:59 AM
Sorry about my emotional outburst. I usually keep it to myself.

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By: James on September 27, 2011
at 10:10 AM
POTUS has more problems…..
“Obama’s jobs plan isn’t top priority for Reid “……WTF……..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/27/obamas-jobs-plan-not-top-priority-reid/

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By: uawtradesman on September 27, 2011
at 10:06 AM
Herbert Hoover’s policies helped cause the Depression. FDR’s made it Great.

As I wrote before, the United States was in a unique position during the post war era. We were operating a virtual monopoly. Multinational companies were less common than now. It was harder to flee high taxes. It was a time when people could afford high taxes.

Keynsian economics, if I remember right, held that governments prime the pump with deficit spending during hard times and rebuild financial equity during the good. We have drained our treasury during good and bad times. Several tax cuts, including John Kennedy’s enhanced revenues by stimulating economic activity.

As described on this forum, the Bush tax cuts did bring jobs and more money to the economy. If the cuts had been rescinded last year, we would have been in worse shape than we are. Another problem for businesses and consumers is the uncertainty. No one knows what our leaders will do to us more than a couple of years out.

We are in that position today. We need more private economic wealth creation, and we won’t get it with higher taxes. Someone wrote that the Obama economic policy is an anchor dragging down our economy and Democratic prospects for the next election. When the economy improves is the time for higher taxes.

You keep mentioning Ronald Reagan. Yes, he was a good president who helped bring down the Soviet Union, His administration saved us from the high inflation and lack luster economy begun during the LBJ and Nixon years. No disrespect intended, but you have no clue of how it was for us here in the Heartland. I don’t give a damn about Ronald Reagan. It was morning in America. Out here, it was heartache and fear.

Google John Mellencamp’s “Rain on the Scarecrow.” It still makes my wife cry.

“There’s 97 crosses on the court house yard
That’s 97 families who lost 97 farms
I think about my grandpa
my neighbors and my name
Some times I feel like dying…”

Our courthouse lawn had crosses too.

A friend from high school lost his farm, and he blew himself away.

I talked to a young woman her two small children and about a combine at their sale. She said they were going to move to Arizona because they heard jobs were there. “Do you think that’s right?” “I don’t know. I guess so.” ” I don’t know what we’ll do. I’m so scared.” Then, she cried. She was a stranger I never saw before or since.

TO HELL WITH THE EXPERTS WHO CAUSED THAT MESS AND TO HELL WITH POLITICAINS WHO ARE LEADING US TO PERDITION!!!

We survived, and we learned to follow history, not what the latest crop of experts say. Our banker and neighbors told it was only a matter of time before we would have to have our farm sale.They were all wrong. Better farmers than we lost everything, but we are still here.

People smarter than we promised a golden age with Obama’s election and we got excuses.

So yes, I say “NO WAY IN HELL!” History will prove me right.

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By: James on September 27, 2011
at 9:46 AM
Interesting.

REPORT: How The Right-Wing Uses Misleading Numbers To Claim The Rich Are Unfairly Taxed
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/27/324204/report-right-wing-misleading-taxes/

This, too:
Getting the Facts Straight on America’s Tax Burden
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/26/getting-facts-straight-americas-tax-burden

I don’t know what the right tax plan looks like, or how much is fair, but what we have is not fair.

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By: delurkergurl on September 27, 2011
at 9:25 AM
Deaneac has another good blog post up at ThePeoplesView.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/media-fail-lies-damned-lies-and-new.html

What the media won’t do to fabricate a story… sheesh!

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By: delurkergurl on September 27, 2011
at 9:03 AM
Anon: Jon Stewart is speaking about you!!!! You have to check this out!!!
He had you in mind when he did this.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/jon-stewart-gop-base-your-candidates-aren-t

Raising taxes to Clinton or REAGAN (our hero) levels will move our economy forward. It helped get a surplus during the Clinton years and it is time to get the country moving ahead again.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 27, 2011
at 9:03 AM
I Repost = spam bot. I’ve no doubt at this point. My scroll wheel is my spam filter. There is nothing he is posting that I am not finding on my own perusing a few political pages.

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By: Anonymous on September 27, 2011
at 8:44 AM
James: We had a booming 50s when the taxes were 91% on the wealthiest. Ike Eisenhower built the Interstate Freeway system – Infrastucture, which is still a mainstay today.

RONALD REAGAN RAISED TAXES 11 TIMES!! and he is our HERO! (He also made a sizable deficit.)

So now, we can go with a modest tax increase on those who have benefited most from the GW Bush tax cuts AND YOU SAY NO WAY IN HELL! You are being silly – at best.

Even Speaker Boehner’s economic experts feel revenue increases must be part of the mix to truly deal with the economic mess created by 2 UNFUNDED WARS, UNPAID HEALTH BENEFITS FOR THE ELDERLY, TAX CUTS (which did not bring jobs). and LETTING CORPORTATIONS AND BILLIONAIRES SETTING THE RULES.

Pass the Jobs Bill, rebuild schools and infrastructure and get going with cutting tax breaks which do not make sense.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 27, 2011
at 8:31 AM
THE GREAT DEPRESSION: Read about Herbert Hoover, Hoovervilles and Austerity Measures. Herbert Hoover was the cause of THE GREAT DEPRESSION!

Here is video of what is happening in NY! Police Brutality?.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/lawrence-odonnell-goes-after-police-brutal

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 27, 2011
at 8:06 AM
I know taxes were higher in the past. After all, we are still living with the bush tax cuts. Obama approved some cuts too. We also know they are illusary and will eventually be gone.

The United States with its high 1950’s tax rates was on the rebound from the Great Depression and the stimuluative effects of WW11. Its why Paul Krugman said we need another large war or an alien invasion to energize the economy. Europe and Japan were in ruins. Helping them rebuild had a stimulative effect, and later, we were the world’s main producer as the money from customers rolled in.We were number one because we were the only major economy which had not been bombed away.

The GI Bill created a new educated class with the drive and freedom to create lives their parents never dreamed of.

I also remember the horrible poverty in some parts of the country during the fifties.

We live in a different world now. A 91% top income tax rate would send us into another Great Depression.

I have decided to beat another horse again. Top of the Ticket by Andrew Malcolm reported that Tim Geithner and Lawrence Summers warned Obama that the Department of Energy’s vetting process was not stringent enough to weed out troubled applicants in advance. Energy Secretary Steven Chu wanted to move the applications even faster. So did Obama.

The hint of political favoritism and the government’s tendency to pick winners and losers makes Solyndra an important issue. Obama should have done as Bush did.

I have also decided to use your brand of generalization and hyperbole. Mc Donald refers to a third world America. Today, Democrats are taking us there at warp speed.

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By: James on September 27, 2011
at 7:53 AM
Joh Stewart: Republicans – Your candidates are not the problem, IT IS YOU! This is a must see. So True.

91% tax on the wealthiest – Would America fall apart if we tried it?

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/jon-stewart-gop-base-your-candidates-aren-t

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 27, 2011
at 7:47 AM
50s – America prospered with a 90+ tax rate on the wealthiest!! Remember when!

http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2011/09/america-prospered-in-1950s-with-91.html

America Prospered in the 1950s With a 91-percent High-End Tax Rate
By MARC McDONALD

I must admit, listening to the current debate over President Obama’s tax hike proposal is a surreal experience. It just goes to show you that in the modern era, Americans have memories that stretch back no more than 15 minutes.

During the 1950s, America had a 91 percent high-end tax rate. If the 50s had been a dismal economic decade, then it could stand as “Exhibit A” for the GOP to use in attacking high tax rates today.

But in reality, it was an extremely prosperous decade for America. In fact, it was a prosperous decade for the great majority of Americans (in contrast to the past three decades, which have seen only the Top One Percent prosper). In fact, in many ways, the 1950s was a truly golden decade. While it wasn’t, of course, perfect, the 1950s seems like a million miles away from today’s Third World-like America.

In the 1950s, American workers made the highest wages in the world. We also enjoyed the best workers’ benefits and the longest vacations. Most high-tech products were made in America. I’m not sure what the world’s top 10 corporations and top 10 banks were in the 50s. But I’d bet they were all American.

American had a trade SURPLUS in the 50s. The dollar was strong. The U.S. middle class was the envy of the world. The U.S. made the best cars in the world. America’s manufacturing base and infrastructure were second to none. U.S. public schools trounced their counterparts worldwide. Nations around the world regularly sent representatives here to study how we did it.

The 1950s was the decade that America became AMERICA, the superpower. We really were No. 1 back in the 50s. Today, we’re only No. 1 in the minds of the “Rah Rah U.S.A.!” jingoistic retards of the Tea Party.

And all of this with a high-end 91 percent income tax rate.

Today’s Republicans condemn Obama’s attempts to raise the tax rate even modestly. They’d have us believe that even a small increase in taxes on billionaires would be disastrous for the U.S. economy.

The GOP, as usual, relies on the ignorance of the American public. I mean, how many people even know that the high-end tax rate was ever as high as 91 percent in the U.S.? I talk to Republicans all the time who’re convinced that tax rates today are the highest they’ve ever been in U.S. history. Credit the Great GOP Noise Network of Fox/Drudge/Rush for dumbing down tens of millions of Americans.

Today’s Republicans are always babbling on about “What Would Reagan Do?” (In fact, Reagan himself raised taxes on 11 occasions).

I find it interesting, though, how the Republicans never consider “What Would Eisenhower Do?” I find it interesting how they ignore the wisdom of Eisenhower, a true American hero who won World War II for America and then presided over the booming, prosperous 1950s.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 27, 2011
at 7:25 AM
Hey i report…..
will you be classified as a racist if you don’t vote for Herman Cain….

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By: uawtradesman on September 27, 2011
at 7:15 AM
i report….why wasn’t the question…..If a young man with a good job refused to by health insurance and fell off his bike and broke an arm who should pay for it……IMO that’s more of an honest question….. instead of a “gotya” question……
and….
“Today I would like to direct your attention to the latest column by Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman.”
I also ran out of toilet paper……

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By: uawtradesman on September 27, 2011
at 6:57 AM
Paul Krugman fails to tell us why our economy is so weak. It is struggling for the same reason that FDR’s policies gave us the Great Depression. Now, we have the Great Recession. The Depression didn’t truly end until about 1946.

Some economists refer to the generation now leaving college as the “lost generation.” More of them than ever are moving back with their parents. The EPA claims it may need over 240,000 new employees at a cost of $21 billion to implement draconian new environmental standards which Congress wouldn’t pass. Big government will lower the unemployment rate so our youth will do the jobs the private sector won’t do.

This is not the country I grew up in, and after another four years, it will be unrecognizable.

I am so prepared to reject the new America, I would vote for Donald Duck if he had a chance of winning.

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By: James on September 27, 2011
at 6:46 AM
Today I would like to direct your attention to the latest column by Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman.

No, don’t go away; this is not about government stimulus of a moribund economy as John Maynard Keynes would advocate. And this is not about Joseph Stiglitz’s three trillion dollar estimate for the cost of the Iraq war.

Krugman today says that a little more than a year from now, Americans will be making a statement about what sort of country we want to live in; whether we will continue the progressive movement that started during the Theodore Roosevelt administration and got legs during the New Deal of Franklin Roosevelt, or if we will forego the social contract forged over the last century and revert to a “crueler, harsher nation” with a devil-take-the-hindmost mentality where life outside the gated compounds resembles a Mad Max movie. (At least until that “Masque of the Red Death”)

Again, our story begins with a moment from the Tea Party debate last Monday. This, from Krugmaan..

“Wolf Blitzer asked Rep. Ron Paul what we should do if a 30-year-old man who chose not to purchase health insurance suddenly found himself in need of six months of intensive care. Paul replied, “That’s what freedom is all about – taking your own risks.” Blitzer pressed him again, asking whether “society should just let him die.” And the crowd erupted with cheers and shouts of “Yeah!”

“Now, there are two things you should know about the Blitzer-Paul exchange. The first is that after the crowd weighed in, Paul basically tried to evade the question, asserting that warm-hearted doctors and charitable individuals would always make sure that people received the care they needed – or at least they would if they hadn’t been corrupted by the welfare state. Sorry, but that’s a fantasy. People who can’t afford essential medical care often fail to get it, and always have – and sometimes they die as a result.

“The second is that very few of those who die from lack of medical care look like Blitzer’s hypothetical individual who could and should have bought insurance. In reality, most uninsured Americans either have low incomes and cannot afford insurance, or are rejected by insurers because they have chronic conditions.
“So would people on the right be willing to let those who are uninsured through no fault of their own die from lack of care? The answer, based on recent history, is a resounding “Yeah!”

“Think, in particular, of the children.

“The day after the debate, the Census Bureau released its latest estimates on income, poverty and health insurance. The overall picture was terrible: The weak economy continues to wreak havoc on American lives. One relatively bright spot, however, was health care for children: The percentage of children without health coverage was lower in 2010 than before the recession, largely thanks to the 2009 expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP.

“And the reason SCHIP was expanded in 2009 but not earlier was, of course, that former President George W. Bush blocked earlier attempts to cover more children – to the cheers of many on the right. Did I mention that one in six children in Texas lacks health insurance, the second-highest rate in the nation?

“So the freedom to die extends, in practice, to children and the unlucky as well as the improvident. And the right’s embrace of that notion signals an important shift in the nature of American politics.

“In the past, conservatives accepted the need for a government-provided safety net on humanitarian grounds. Don’t take it from me, take it from Friedrich Hayek, the conservative intellectual hero, who specifically declared in The Road to Serfdom his support for “a comprehensive system of social insurance” to protect citizens against “the common hazards of life,” and singled out health in particular.

“Now, however, compassion is out of fashion – indeed, lack of compassion has become a matter of principle, at least among the GOP’s base.

“And what this means is that modern conservatism is actually a deeply radical movement, one that is hostile to the kind of society we’ve had for the past three generations – that is, a society that, acting through the government, tries to mitigate some of the “common hazards of life” through such programs as Social Security, unemployment insurance, Medicare and Medicaid.

“Are voters ready to embrace such a radical rejection of the kind of America we’ve all grown up in? I guess we’ll find out next year.”

http://liquiddaddy.blogspot.com/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 27, 2011
at 5:58 AM
and I’m in trouble…..my scroll wheel broke……

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By: uawtradesman on September 27, 2011
at 3:22 AM
More proof for my theory on I Repost. Ignored everything about his post, and went on making random posts. He is a paid or unpaid apologist for the Obama administration. If you were to follow his line of thinking, Bush is Co-President of this country, to be blamed for everything going wrong, and Obama given credit for all that is right. My favorite part? Not one Liberal stands up and calls this guy out. A conservative PoV on these issues is attacked every time. Integrity seems to be a character trait no longer recognized by those of Liberal mindset.

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By: Anonymous on September 26, 2011
at 11:32 PM
There are taxes and there are taxes. Remember Boehner proposed an $800 million tax increase over ten years during the budget debate and Obama broke the deal.

Obama’s higher taxes on the rich start at $250,000 per family. Many of those people own small businesses.If you take money from businesses and consumers, they have less money to spend in the private economy. Something like what Pfessor mentioned which would increase the tax base by spreading the pain would do less damage than the present proposal. Moreover, our leaders ought to cut spending and government regulations before or when they increase taxes.

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By: James on September 26, 2011
at 9:53 PM
Corporations ARE NOT PEOPLE!!!! Too good to pass up!

http://jobsanger.blogspot.com/2011/09/theyre-not-people.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 9:49 PM
The GOP Vagina Rules!! To keep in mind as the debates continue on and on and on!! Super wealthy Dems should pay too – we agree!

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/been-way-too-serious-for-way-too-long.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 9:46 PM
Yes, it is time to deal in facts.

Here are more.

According to The Daily Caller and other sources, the Bush administration began to doubt the company’s viability, and Bush refused the loans to Solyndra two weeks before he left office. The Obama administration ignored the financial issues the Bush administration raised and approved the loan nine days after Obama took office.

George Kaiser, a billionaire and campaign bundler convinced the administration to guarantee a $535 million loan. He also contributed $10,000 to the Urban Health Initiative, a program Michelle Obama created while she was at the University of Chicago Medical Center.

The donation was made in 2009, the same year Kaiser was a regular White House visitor. Besides Michelle Obama, several top Obama administration officials have close ties to the George Kaiser Family Foundation.

Maybe the relationship is innocent, or maybe not. It doesn’t matter. If anyone claims the Waltons or other wealthy families had a special relationship with Bush to get loan money for Soylndra, I will counter with the Kaisers.

I think Republicans would need to do more than donate their salaries, pensions and office supplies to cut a billion dollars from the budget , and you know it too. Many are rich, but so are many Democrats. I don’t know about Republicans, but many Democrats inherited or married their millions.

It appears FEMA has enough money after all, and the crisis is averted. I repeat. The Democrats, not Republicans cared more about raising spending to keep their green projects than they did about helping people suffering from disasters. They, not Republicans, held FEMA and the United States hostage.

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By: James on September 26, 2011
at 9:25 PM
OH MY, Speaker of the House Boehner has economic gurus telling him that REVENUE MUST BE INCREASED as well as cuts to deal with the deficit.

http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201109260016

While five of the six “fiscal experts” cited by Boehner’s office didn’t actually say what Boehner’s staff claims they said, they have said that deficit reduction will require revenue increases, in direct contradiction of GOP dogma. And they’ve also done so in blunt language that leaves no doubt about the Republicans’ irresponsibility.

Former Government Accountability Office head David Walker, for example, has said: “Anybody that passed basic math would have known that you cannot end up dealing with our structural problems in our deficits without having more revenues.” Maya MacGuineas of the Committee for a Responsible Budget has noted, “You can not get to any reasonable goal without new revenues,” and “Policies that exempt tax cuts from budget constraints are not only economically dangerous, they are cowardly.” Former CBO director Rudolph Penner says the problem “cannot be entirely solved on either the tax or spending side of the budget,” and “If one wanted to balance the budget without any increase in tax burdens, there would have to be draconian cuts in Social Security, Medicare and other programs.” And Robert Bixby of the Concord Coalition thinks deficit reduction will require spending cuts and revenue increases, adding, “It’s long past time for partisan purists in Washington to recognize that.”

Walker, MacGuineas, Penner and Bixby are four of the six “fiscal experts” cited by Boehner’s office. And, according to these fiscal experts, the Republican position on deficit reduction would fail “basic math,” is “cowardly,” and would require “draconian cuts in Social Security, Medicare, and other programs.”

Then there’s Bill Clinton. Boehner’s office deserves some credit for identifying Clinton as a “fiscal expert,” but they lied about his position. He favors proposals to raise taxes on the super-rich, calling them “common sense,” and certainly doesn’t say President Obama’s proposals would do more harm than good. The only “fiscal expert” cited by Boehner’s office who is actually quoted saying anything like that is Pamela Villarreal, an obscure staffer at the far-right National Center for Policy Analysis.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 9:24 PM
Solyndra loan facts not mentioned!! Interesting. Bush actually pushed the loan way before Pres Obama. The Walton family has a load of money in the failed company.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/

The Bush team tried to conditionally approve the Solyndra loan just before President Obama took office.
The company’s backers included private investors who had diverse political interests.
The loan comprises just 1.3% of DOE’s overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that’s known to be troubled.

by Stephen Lacey and Richard Caperton
It’s often claimed that the Solyndra loan guarantee was “rushed through” by the Obama Administration for political reasons. In fact, the Solyndra loan guarantee was a multi-year process that the Bush Administration launched in 2007.
You’d never know from the media coverage that:
The Bush team tried to conditionally approve the Solyndra loan just before President Obama took office.
The company’s backers included private investors who had diverse political interests.
The loan comprises just 1.3% of DOE’s overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that’s known to be troubled.
Because one of the Solyndra investors, Argonaut Venture Capital, is funded by George Kaiser — a man who donated money to the Obama campaign — the loan guarantee has been attacked as being political in nature. What critics don’t mention is that one of the earliest and largest investors, Madrone Capital Partners, is funded by the family that started Wal-Mart, the Waltons. The Waltons have donated millions of dollars to Republican candidates over the years.
With a stagnant job market and Obama sinking in the polls, the media has decided on a narrative that matches right-wing talking points but not the facts. For instance, Bloomberg had this incredibly misleading headline yesterday, “Obama Team Backed $535 Million Solyndra Aid as Auditor Warned on Finances.” If you replace “backed” with “touted,” that would be accurate. But the headline makes it seem like the White House had decided to give $535 million to a company after an auditor had said it was financially troubled.
You have to read half the story to learn that the loan guarantee was made in 2009 and the audit was done in 2010 after market conditions had sharply worsened! And the Bloomberg story never explains that the company itself raised $250 million from private investors after the supposedly devastating audit!
To set the record straight, Climate Progress is publishing this timeline — verified by Department of Energy officials — that shows how the loan guarantee came together under both administrations. In fact, rather than rushing the loan for Solyndra through, the Obama Administration restructured the original Bush-era deal to further protect the taxpayers’ investment:
May 2005: Just as a global silicon shortage begins driving up prices of solar photovoltaics [PV], Solyndra is founded to provide a cost-competitive alternative to silicon-based panels.
July 2005: The Bush Administration signs the Energy Policy Act of 2005 into law, creating the 1703 loan guarantee program.
February 2006 – October 2006: In February, Solyndra raises its first round of venture financing worth $10.6 million from CMEA Capital, Redpoint Ventures, and U.S. Venture Partners. In October, Argonaut Venture Capital, an investment arm of George Kaiser, invests $17 million into Solyndra. Madrone Capital Partners, an investment arm of the Walton family, invests $7 million. Those investments are part of a $78.2 million fund.
December 2006: Solyndra Applies for a Loan Guarantee under the 1703 program.
Late 2007: Loan guarantee program is funded. Solyndra was one of 16 clean-tech companies deemed ready to move forward in the due diligence process. The Bush Administration DOE moves forward to develop a conditional commitment.

Time to deal in facts folks!!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 8:39 PM
Craig….
best wishes….
stay hard…..your going to need it…..
keep treating that “little woman” like the queen she is……

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By: uawtradesman on September 26, 2011
at 8:26 PM
I believe I Repost is just some blog bot going from one blog another posting Liberal pieces and no one is actually at home to respond. I tend to treat him as his own little Liberal website that spams this blog. In all the time he has been here I do not recall him engaging anyone on his posts or carrying on a conversation with anyone. It is just one random link after another without much rhyme or reason.

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By: Anonymous on September 26, 2011
at 8:15 PM
hey I Report….

http://www.cagle.com/news/Obama2012Chances/main.asp

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By: uawtradesman on September 26, 2011
at 8:03 PM
I Report…..You bashed the NRA about the “20 or 30 students” that got shot by someone with a mental illness……..I didn’t hear you say anything about the HIPA rules not allowing that information going to law enforcement…..I also didn’t hear you say anything about the ACLU suing to keep that medical info private……I did hear you making an asshat out of yourself……

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By: uawtradesman on September 26, 2011
at 8:01 PM
Juanita Jean is just so beautiful!!!!

So, here’s the deal. In all likelihood we’re going to be facing the threat of another government shut down. Republicans and Democrats disagree over whether to offset $1.6 billion in FEMA funding with spending cuts.

Republicans, of course, say that if you help people who have been hurt by fire or water, then you have to hurt other people to help the hurt people. Then you have to hurt other people to help the people you hurt to help the hurt people. It’s a big ole circle hurt.

So, Republicans think they can find $1.6 billion dollars of cuts from the federal budget. I say start with their salaries, retirement and office supplies. Those dudes are all rich and don’t need the money. Lord knows they don’t earn it.

No, seriously, where were they when we needed somebody to come boo at the fire or the flooding? I’ll tell you where they were: standing around practicing the circle hurt.

We don’t need a shut down. We need a shut up.

http://juanitajean.com/2011/09/26/i-have-a-plan/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 7:57 PM
I Report….You like to bash Palin about speaking fees but did you even bother to check out Bill Clinton and Al Gore…

Clinton earns $65 million in speaking fees as private citizen

Clinton earns $65 million in speaking fees as private citizen

-If you’re looking to book Al Gore for a 75-minute “Environmental Multimedia Lecture,” the former vice president will cost you

$100,000, plus travel, hotel, security, and per diem expenses.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/al-gore-100000-man

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By: uawtradesman on September 26, 2011
at 7:51 PM
A picture is worth 100,000 words.

Vermont Flood Hi-Res Gallery – August 2011

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By: A Downeaster on September 26, 2011
at 2:15 PM
I think at this point that it is very clear, Obama has stopped thinking about what is best for this country and trying to solve our nation’s problems, and is now in reelected mode. Everything now is politics pure and simple. While we suffer out here in the real world, he is playing political brinksmanship with his rivals. Man of the people, and by people I mean his people, and by his people I mean himself.

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By: Anonymous on September 26, 2011
at 12:18 PM
Senator Ron Wyden (D OR) said Obama had another choice–comprehensive tax reform instead of class warfare attacks on the wealthy and his tax bill. Tax reform could raise money by broadening the personal tax and corporate tax codes rather as Pfessor suggested a day or so ago. It would have been a win for both sides. Boehner even offered tax increases of $800 billion over ten years during the mid- summer deficit debates.

Obama derailed the negotiations then, and he is derailing them now by insisting on raising taxes in a near recession. His campaigning is forcing Boehner and Reed into a negotiator’s prison wherein neither can compromise without the appearance of caving. This may also affect the super committee. Congress ought to ignore Obama and settle this on its own.

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By: James on September 26, 2011
at 12:12 PM
Democrats, not Republicans are blocking funding of the disaster relief bill because they want to support their green projects even though to do so raises the deficit. By holding disaster victims and our government hostage, they hope to blame Republicans if no one blinks.

The jobs bill will fail as the stimulus bill did. An article in Time Magazine suggested a program which would work. The jobs bill was written to preserve one job–Obama’s.

The rest of what you wrote is a red herring.

We have already established that the rich as a group pay most of our bills. We have also established here that Bush did not lie about Iraq. I opposed the invasion of Iraq, but conditions there are better than before. You wrote “needless wars.” The only other two I know of are Afghanistan and Libya.

Yes, they cost money, but they will not change our current problem without a time machine. The money has been spent. We cannot change the past. Your point about Bush, Obama and our wars is irelevant. Time has made it Obama’s problem now.

If you want your war argument to be more than a waste of band space, you ought to discuss how we can prevent future wars or safely reduce military spending.

I admire your fortitude. As reality closes in, you attempt to distract , not only with the kitchen sink, but the air conditioner, microwave and any other appliance you can grab. You make this site more interesting.

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By: James on September 26, 2011
at 9:57 AM
I Report, are you an actual person with the ability to think for yourself, or are you some program posting Liberal propaganda? I ask this in all seriousness.

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By: Anonymous on September 26, 2011
at 9:28 AM
This little video makes the case quite well. We have this tendency to waste money on needless wars = Iraq, 2 Trillion. (GW Bush lied us into Iraq.) It is also interesting that Bush got us to pay 175% more for privatizing our war machine. We could save 75% by using military personnel for those things which GW Bush gave to Haliburton, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/22/elizabeth-warren-class-warfare-gop-taxes_n_975561.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 8:58 AM
Republican Dwight D Eisenhower , President, insisted that a national Interstate road system be built to include bridges. It costs money to maintain that system and the airports as well as the water, sewer, safety (police and fire), schools, colleges, electrical grid and the Military-Industrial Complex which Eisenhower feared.

That system is falling apart because of age and use. It is time to rebuild it.
The top 1% have increased wealth tremendously while the middle class and poor have decreased their wages and have been hit hard on paying for benefits such as health care and fuel.

The wealthy should pay their fair share – You betcha. When a house is on fire – you and I want a fire fighter to put it out. Pass the jobs bill – repair our aging infrastructure and get people to work. Of course, the wealthiest should help us pay for it!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 8:39 AM
Well just like our Liberal politicians, I Repost, when handed the ball, you can’t run with it. Isn’t there one Liberal who, after crying all their lives how unfair life is and how evil the rich are, just for being rich, that has dreamed of that magic number that would make life fair again? Just how much do you think the rich need to be taxed to make things right?

I have a theory why none of them answer. I think the real reason is that they are afraid to be found out. If any of them had an ounce of courage, they would admit that the answer is the rich deserved to be taxed everything above a certain amount. This of course exposing them as socialists.

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By: Anonymous on September 26, 2011
at 7:56 AM
Fund disaster relief and pass the jobs bill!!

“The Senate is saying … why should we, in effect, rebuild schools in Iraq on the credit card but expect that rebuilding schools in Joplin, Missouri, at this moment in time have to be paid for in a way that has never been in any of the previous disaster assistance that we’ve put out before?” Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” He blamed the dispute on Tea-Party-affiliated Republicans in the House who demanded the spending cut.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 1:54 AM
PAYROLL TAX: Pay payroll tax on all income up to $200,000.00
Take Income taxes back to where they were during the RONALD REAGAN
or Clinton Years. The Bush tax cuts should have been gone years ago.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 26, 2011
at 1:39 AM
So I Repost, What is the fair share rich should pay? Toss a number out there. Again please no racial slurs

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By: Anonymous on September 25, 2011
at 11:06 PM
The Tea baggers I know feel there should be an honest days work for an honest days pay. They also want their social security check and their medicare. You must be talking about the Dick Armeys and Jenny Thomas who make hundreds of thousands each year guiding the tea party elite.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 9:32 PM
I Repost, I thought about it. Why would tea party people protest? They don’t believe making money is a crime like you.

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By: Anonymous on September 25, 2011
at 9:06 PM
These youing women got pepper sprayed for a peaceful protest about Wall Street. There have been 4 and 5 times the people compared to tea bagger rallies but there has been no coverage by media. Then these gals get tear gassed funny that it happens to liberals but would never happen to tea baggers. I would think the tea baggers would be leading the protest against Wall Street actually, if you think about it.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/video-shows-occupywallstrret-protesters-pep

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 8:22 PM
Sunday Funnies: Class Warfare!!!! Extremely Good stuff!! Well worth the look!!!

http://brainsandeggs.blogspot.com/2011/09/sunday-funnies-class-warfare-edition.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 5:33 PM
A tribute to a 14 year old boy that committed suicide because of bullying.
Quite well done. Nice to see this after the booing of the US Soldier last week at the Republican Debate.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/lady-gaga-sings-tribute-gay-teen-who-was-bul

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 4:58 PM
I Repost. You keep yammering on about the rich paying their fair share. Taking a look at who is paying what taxes and the percentages, what does that number look like? Delurk ran like a whipped dog at the question, as has every Liberal, so I am asking you. What exactly is a wealthy persons fair share? If you can’t define it, don’t expect them to pay it.

And please keep any race related response out of your answer.

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By: Anonymous on September 25, 2011
at 2:33 PM
I report, read carefully what I wrote.

I wrote that most conspiracy theories have some basis in fact. It is true that the Democrats stopped pressing for gun control so hard because it was losing them elections. Some on the left would deny average citizens the right to own weapons. IF the political climate changed, they would renew their efforts. Those are facts you can research.

I also wrote that I don’t believe there is a conspiracy to trick Americans into voting one way so eventually their guns will be taken away. The NRA is hypersensitive to attempts to change gun laws and they see restrictions as the camel’s nose under the tent.

I agree, crazy people shouldn’t have easy access to such weapons, but the NRA is afraid any restriction would take the right from all of us. I believe they are wrong. There is no conspiracy, but every conspiracy is guided by its own logic. You asked a question, and I answered it.

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By: James on September 25, 2011
at 1:04 PM
What I get from this exchange on FOX is;
‘NO, THE REPUBLICANS WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THE ECONOMY OR PRODUCE JOBS!!’
Why: If they do, President Obama will get re-elected. Who has the lowest ratings? Congress! We now know why. REPUBLICANS SAY, ‘LET THE ECONOMY CRASH’ seems to be the GOP message.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/hume-kristol-and-stoddard-all-claim-grand-b

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 10:53 AM
I Repost, I think you need to apologize for that racial remark. There is no place for that in a civilized world.

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By: Anonymous on September 25, 2011
at 10:20 AM
This comment from the above article is compelling!

Republicans claim to be deeply worried by budget deficits. Indeed, Mr. Ryan has called the deficit an “existential threat” to America. Yet they are insisting that the wealthy — who presumably have as much of a stake as everyone else in the nation’s future — should not be called upon to play any role in warding off that existential threat.

Well, that amounts to a demand that a small number of very lucky people be exempted from the social contract that applies to everyone else. And that, in case you’re wondering, is what real class warfare looks like.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 10:13 AM
Class warfare: Another look at the tax burden…

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/lets-look-class-warfare-and-51-who-do

people with multimillion-dollar incomes, who typically derive much of that income from capital gains and other sources that face low taxes, end up paying a lower overall tax rate than middle-class workers. And we’re not talking about a few exceptional cases.

According to new estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, one-fourth of those with incomes of more than $1 million a year pay income and payroll tax of 12.6 percent of their income or less, putting their tax burden below that of many in the middle class.

Now, I know how the right will respond to these facts: with misleading statistics and dubious moral claims.

On one side, we have the claim that the rising share of taxes paid by the rich shows that their burden is rising, not falling. To point out the obvious, the rich are paying more taxes because they’re much richer than they used to be. When middle-class incomes barely grow while the incomes of the wealthiest rise by a factor of six, how could the tax share of the rich not go up, even if their tax rate is falling?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 10:08 AM
Morgan Freeman says the Teaparty is a rascist party.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/morgan-freeman-has-no-doubt-that-tea.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 9:03 AM
Just getting the information out there. I remember a guy named Michael Steele. He was a leader in the Republican Party – whatever happened to him? GOP and people of color – not a good mix, unless I am missing something.

SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE!!! starts off with the Republican debates.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/snl-starts-its-new-season-with-bang.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 25, 2011
at 8:54 AM
Babe, if you can’t beat a black man in the Republican primary, how the hell are you gonna beat Barack Obama in a general election?

I Repost, I never took you for a racist!

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By: Anonymous on September 24, 2011
at 10:16 PM
Herman Cain wins the Florida vote. Poor Rich Perry came in a sad second.

http://juanitajean.com/2011/09/24/texas-toast/

He got taken to the woodshed with a Cain. Perry got 15% to Cain’s 37%.

Babe, if you can’t beat a black man in the Republican primary, how the hell are you gonna beat Barack Obama in a general election?

James: Guns: I kind of remember: 20 or 30 kids were shot at a college up by a fellow who had a history of mental illnesses. Some people said, mentally unstable people should not have easy access to AK47s or the like. People also said crazy people should not be allowed to get guns with lots of clips of 30 bullets and THE NRA SHOUTED: YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUN RUGHTS!!! That conspiracy?? We now have people allowed to vote if they show a concealed weapon permit but ID showing they are a college student will not be allow them to vote with that ID. AZ now lets anyone with a drivers license get an AK47 or similar if they have a drivers license. Again: WHERE IS THE OBAMA CONSPIRACY????

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 8:00 PM
Palins: They are a do as I say, not as I do family, personally and politically.
As I see it, it is just another money making opportunity. She just needs to show a few papers and take a lie detector test. This is a woman that has groups pay her $100,000.00 for an hour talk. BTW: She was big in the Pres Obama, The people want to see his birth certificate so he should show it. She uses her kids for political props A LOT too.

Here is a graph of where the US debt came from: President by President. President Obama was not the biggest in making debt actually. That is why most people correctly credit President Bush with making our current debt and economic problems.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 6:56 PM
Good to see you here Craig!! Best wishes for Val and hoping she makes the most of the silvery-distinguished look. My ma sure did 🙂
I agree, Donna, about SP’s governing v personal stuff.
I’m still ticked at her over the multiple games she played over filling my State Senator’s seat for almost an entire legislative session , which ranks right up there for wiping out any populist creds she is trying to build, but I could care less about her marraige and other than feeling sorry for her kids don’t want to hear about them.

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By: alaskapi on September 24, 2011
at 6:17 PM
I agree Donna. Our society makes too many personal attacks as it is. Focus on Palin’s family life is repugnant to me as well. It reflects more on the attacker than the attackee.

I Report, the National Rifle Association president may be feeling too conspiratorial, but his fears are based on facts. Several election cycles ago, Democrats realized a strong anti- gun stance was hurting their election chances in several parts of the country. They de emphasised the issue to enhance their changes at the polls.

He may know that Obama with the advice of friends in Chicago, hid or down played his more radical views to look more moderate for the election. He also knows that some anti- gun people wanted to make it harder to buy amunition which would make gun control moot.

I think the president of the National Rifle Association is like the people who believed Jessie James lived in Texas until he was over a hundred . He is reading a conspiracy into a prudent political calculation. Now, if you really didn’t know, you understand the source of the president’s logic.

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By: James on September 24, 2011
at 4:17 PM
Craig–nice to see you here and all my best wishes for the surgery and recovery.

I Report–I very much dislike Palin. She was a poor mayor and governor. I disagree with her positions on the environment and the economy. I hate to criticize anyone’s religious affiliations but hers frighten me. I’d hate to see her in any position of power and I regret that she’s in a position of influence. But I could give a rip about her marriage and find the focus on that pretty distasteful. What IF she or her husband were unfaithful? There are more than enough liberal politicians, political figures, and supporters who have done likewise. Just my opinion.

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By: Donna on September 24, 2011
at 3:25 PM
Craig, best wishes to you and Val. It sounds like a big step in the right direction.

Yes, sandy loam is good for crops, but this is almost pure river sand ranging from a few inches to up to ten feet deep. Water runs right through it. Our average annual precipitation is only about 25 to 30 inches, and it would require almost constant irrigation to produce a crop on sand.

We are too far north for peanuts. Sandy soil is great for watermelons and similar crops, though.

Some farmers with shallow sand will rent a special plow from the county to mix the sand deep into the top soil.

If you mean Honolulu Sal, she must be busy. She was gone a long time once before.

Civil is nice isn’t it?

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By: James on September 24, 2011
at 2:04 PM
THIS IS JUST WEIRD!!! President Obama has a conspiracy to NOT BAN GUNS! according to the NRA. I need a right wing crazy to explain it to me.
I just don’t get where the conspiracy is hiding. Seems like Gabby Giffords shootings and everybody getting guns if they have a driver’s license is not a ‘take my guns away’ conspiracy.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/nra-claims-massive-obama-conspiracy-not-ban-

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 1:28 PM
James..
Saw your post about the amount of sand you have.
Usually sandy loam would be good for crops.
Is it good for peanuts up there?
Lemonade from lemons?

Loved the story about garter snake..LOL LOL.

Val scheduled to have surgery in Dallas Oct 31st, Halloween, for removal of all things remotely cancerous. Breast lumpectomy,Lymph nodes in left neck and under left arm. She’s still on Chemo pills one week on one week off. Then radiation starts about five weeks after surgery. She seems happy about it all, thinking its coming full circle. Her hair is starting to grow back in but a lil more silver than before. It’s been a year come December 18th.

Hope “all” are well here at M&H’s.. James, Delurker..Donna..Lori..NOP..Alaskipi, PFessor, Cynthia,Tex … Poolman, and Megan in Virginny as well as everyone else. By the way where did LIL ole Hawaii gal go? Have not seen any posts…

Keep on..being civil.

And lets whittle down that Republican roster. We need only one good “man” to defeat President “Change”.
And I wish it didn’t cost billions to elect a President.

At this point, Like the Solar company…I take the Fifth.
Bourbon please.

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By: Craig on September 24, 2011
at 1:19 PM
The PROTESTS ON WALL STREET!!! Some video from Colbert. Funny this has not been on the mainstream media. Now, if Teabaggers had done a similar thing, it would have been all over the news.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/397648/september-21-2011/wall-street-under-siege

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 1:01 PM
Another $20,000.00+ offer for the Palins. The Palins (or anyone else) can get at least $20,000.00 for legal proof that Sarah gave birth to Trig.

Sounds like easy money to me. Sarah should be snapping that cash up pretty quick. I will kick in $10.00 myself. You can add money to the pot too.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/professsor-scharlott-introduces-palin.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 12:54 PM
ONE MILLION DOLLARS TO SARAH PALIN!!! Sounds like an easy million for the Palins. If they don’t go for the offer, something is weird in Palin land.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/sarah-and-todd-palin-offered-one.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 12:47 PM
Rachel Maddow is so very great!!! Here is a reasonable response to anti-abortionists. It really makes sense. I know of a 14 year old girl raped by her father and his friends and she got pregnant. She was allowed to have an abortion. Abortion should be an option. Those men ended up in jail but they are now out.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/countering-anti-abortion-bullies-landlord-g

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 12:04 PM
Try not to forget the role played by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd I Repost. Why aren’t you calling for them to go to jail?

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By: Anonymous on September 24, 2011
at 10:19 AM
Why aren’t Wall Street crooks in jail? They crashed he economy, paid themselves (and still are) then move on to make more money shipping jobs overseas. (Nice to see the Banks may have to face a judge and/or jury – finally.)

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 10:02 AM
Another thing about Sarah Palin: The Washington Post and some conservative bloggers compare Rick Perry with Sarah Palin. Both ran for national office too soon and have not had time to learn what being a candidate requires. Too many of their statements show they still don’t know what they are talking about when they discuss international affairs.

The Washington Post noted that Perry’s style doesn’t lend itself to the type of mockery Saturday Night Live inflicted on Palin. However, they may share the same problem.

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By: James on September 24, 2011
at 9:56 AM
Alaskapi, I’m not going to vote for Sarah Palin, but what she said in that speech was true. I would have felt the same if Obama or John Kerry had said it.

George W. Bush is a nice man. Our auto repair man played golf with him twice, and others who’ve met him have said the same. Nelson Rockefeller was also folksy, and he easily mingled with people outside of his social class.

Folksy doesn’t mean Bush is not a member of the elite. Glenn Beck calls him a progressive. He was like the character in “The Candidate.” I can imagine him asking, “what do I do now?” after he won. There was no answer until 9/11 when he found what he thought his purpose was.

For all of his faults, I thank God Bush’s election kept that the hustler and increasingly unhinged Al Gore out of the White House. John Kerry was no prize either, and even worse, we would have suffered through the John Edwards scandal.

Sarah Palin is a hustler and but unlike many politicians of both parties, she comes from the rural middle class. I know people like her. Some would look down their noses at her type and sniff “new money.”

She will cause nothing but trouble if she runs now. Obama would probably love to see her running against him.

Pfessor, Nixon lost an election in California and called a news conference. He said “You won’t have Nixon to kick around any more.” We know what happened less than ten years later. The fork popped out.

For all we know Sarah will be Rush’s successor.

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By: James on September 24, 2011
at 9:33 AM
Alaskapi –

You guys are going to have stop posting interesting stuff; I’m working this weekend and not getting anything done!

Re: Klondike Kardashian. Check this out:

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/allow-me-to-present-introduction-to-new.html

Sarah’s done. Stick a fork in her.

LOL

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By: PFesser on September 24, 2011
at 8:38 AM
James- here we go again! 🙂
I’m aware of whatzername’s Iowa speech. An editor /reporter of an Alaskan online “newspaper” was present and called it SP’s second best speech ever . While the reporter was reminded of the days when we thought SP might live up to expectations, I was reminded of the disconnect between her words and action here, over and over and over again.
She supported crony-capitalism here at almost every turn excepting oil and gas taxes and even that has an interesting history.
I was responding to “anti-millionaire populism” and would cast ALEC and similar outfits as the “statists”.
The level at which I find myself in accord with populist themes is offset to a large degree by the mess we found ourselves in with electing G W Bush from an unthought out populist urge to have someone in the WH who you could chat with over a beer or whatever it was folks thought his folksy thingy was all about.

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By: alaskapi on September 24, 2011
at 8:24 AM
Bloomburg reported that it is projected for next year our interest payment on our debt will be equal or more to what we are spending on defense.

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By: Anonymous on September 24, 2011
at 8:14 AM
Pfessor, you probably didn’t look at the “Safety Dance” video. My wife said she hoped the college students performing it studied hard because they have probably moved back with their parents or soon will. A Drudge Report linked headline referred to those people as the “lost generation.”

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By: James on September 24, 2011
at 7:50 AM
Thank you alaskapi.

We visited a neighbor who is still waiting to move back home. Someone took a picture of her place. It looks like a mud-caked desert with nothing alive except for trees which are shedding their leaves early. Everything is gray except for one lone red rose . Amazing.

Various forms of populism look better to me also. Statism is part of our problem. Your quote sounds like what Sarah Palin said in an Iowa speech.

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By: James on September 24, 2011
at 7:41 AM
“Neither side’s candidates are steller, but we are in a battle for the soul of our nation. Whichever side we choose, we will have to overlook a lot. The end is here. We either decide to save the United States we knew or we pick another unknown future.”

Well said.

I personally believe we are galloping down the wrong path as fast as our legs will carry us. Many will say that we cannot stop spending, but we MUST. The money runs out and the borrowing runs out when your creditors see you can’t pay. It is not pretty, but better the uncomfortable truth than the comfortable lie. A friend’s daughter and her husband are going through this right now; the big-screen has been repossessed, the car repossessed. Fortunately the house and property was given them by her father and they haven’t borrowed against THAT. It’s like the surgeon says: all bleeding stops.

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By: PFesser on September 24, 2011
at 7:34 AM
i believe the ACLU also defended Rush Limbaugh in one of his court cases.

The current Congressional spending impass illustrates our continuing battle of ideologies.

An Iowa Congressman, a Democrat, says part of the problem is ignorance of how expensive our natural disasters have been this year. He cited the Missouri-Mississippi River floods which most legislators knew little about. The Republicans did not include enough money to account for the Corps of Engineers’ expenses in our flood, let alone hurricane and other damage.

In simple terms, the battle for the future of our country has not yet been settled, This dispute illustrates our battle lines as well as any. Republicans want to off set added disaster expenses with savings elsewhere. Democrats want to continue spending. Both sides will claim the other cares little for disaster victims as they play chicken until a last minute settlement.

Neither side’s candidates are steller, but we are in a battle for the soul of our nation. Whichever side we choose, we will have to overlook a lot. The end is here. We either decide to save the United States we knew or we pick another unknown future.

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By: James on September 24, 2011
at 7:22 AM
Pfesser- excellent points about the ACLU.
Anony @ 6:27- Populism is sounding better than statism at this point.
“It can be understood as any political discourse that appeals to the general mass of the population, to the “people” as such, regardless of class distinctions and political partisanship: “a folksy appeal to the ‘average guy’ or some allegedly general will”.[10] This is in opposition to statism, which holds that a small group of professional politicians know better than the people of a state and should make decisions on behalf of them.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

James- I so disagree with you on so many levels I can’t begin to sort it all out but I do hope the best for you and your part of America.

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By: alaskapi on September 24, 2011
at 7:05 AM
From http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46375
This quite nicely sums up Obama, his intentions and his jobs bill.

He also insists again upon raising marginal rates on “millionaire” couples making $250,000 or more. But roughly half the income of small businesses (i.e., those filing individual returns) would be hit by this tax increase. Therefore, if we are to believe Obama’s own logic that his proposed business tax credits would increase hiring, then surely this tax hike will reduce small-business hiring.

But what are jobs when fairness is at stake? Fairness trumps growth. Fairness trumps revenue. Fairness trumps economic logic.

Obama himself has said that “you don’t raise taxes in a recession.” Why then would he risk economic damage when facing re-election? Because these proposals have no chance of being enacted, many of them having been rejected by the Democratic-controlled Congress of Obama’s first two years in office.

Moreover, this is not an economic, or jobs, or debt-reduction plan in the first place. This is a campaign manifesto. This is anti-millionaire populism as premise for his re-election. And as such, it is already working.

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By: Anonymous on September 24, 2011
at 6:27 AM
One of the many “anons” – @ 5:33

Interesting piece on the ACLU.

Firstly, nothing ends the debate about anything.

Secondly, it is informative to read the description of the piece’s author at the end. Did you read that? I’ll give you a leg up.

“David Cortman is senior counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund, a legal alliance employing a unique combination of strategy, training, funding, and litigation to protect and preserve religious liberty, the sanctity of life, marriage, and the family.”

Hmmm….hardly a friend of the ACLU, is he?

I had some serious misgivings about the ACLU myself, until about twenty years ago I sent for some information about them. It really opened my eyes.

Firstly, the ACLU takes on no issues that do not involve the Bill of Rights. You’ve heard of that, right? The defend the Bill in every case they file, every project they take on. They have no interest in sex, porn, abortion or any other pet peeve of the Religious Right – they only defend the Constitution.

You might be interested in some of their cases, as well: They backed Mr. Scopes, hiring Mssr. Clarence Darrow to defend him in the infamous Monkey Trial in Tennessee. That is just one. I won’t steal your fun; I know you will google them up and give an objective assessment.

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By: PFesser on September 24, 2011
at 6:13 AM
For you Libs who have used the ACLU to back your arguments and have advocated for them. This story pretty much ends the debate about this group.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46356

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By: Anonymous on September 24, 2011
at 5:33 AM
Obama loans this company $500 million tax payer dollars, and when scandal erupts, the Dems say the Repubs are badgering the execs of the company by asking where the hell the money is. WTF?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46403

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By: Anonymous on September 24, 2011
at 5:30 AM
Emperor Obama?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-says-hes-exempting-states-education-law-without-congressional-authorization

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By: Anonymous on September 24, 2011
at 5:19 AM
As if we haven’t s suffered enough with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac the Dems handed us, now they are taking us on to round 2.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/michelle-malkin/obamas-government-loans-nowhere-bill

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By: Anonymous on September 24, 2011
at 5:16 AM
“Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum responded by demeaning this honorable American, saying that gays in the military shouldn’t get “special privilege”– failing to acknowledge that “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” was actually special punishment.”

Don’t worry too much about Santorum.

Actions have consequences – even past actions. Just google “santorum.” Not work safe. LOL.

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By: pfesser53 on September 24, 2011
at 4:10 AM
The Republicans BOO a soldier fighting for our country overseas!!! AMAZING!!!

http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/markos-moulitsas-on-gop-debate-crowds-disrespect-of-gay-soldier

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 2:16 AM
Scott Walker is a dismal economic failure! A republican report. OH MY!

http://www.politicususa.com/en/secret-report-scott-walker-dire-failure?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politicus+USA+%29

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 24, 2011
at 2:05 AM
This was on Fox – interesting.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/23/sex-lies-and-immigration-more-gop-candidates-talk-more-out-touch-appear/

President Obama should sleep well tonight. The more the Republican presidential candidates open their mouths at Thursday night’s GOP presidential debate in Orlando, the more clear it is how out of touch they are with mainstream American voters. Tonight, there was no clear winner in the debate. The loser? Common sense and common decency. Here’s how I would sum it up:
Sex
Via a YouTube video, an active member of the United States military spoke about no longer having to hide his sexual orientation thanks to the lifting of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” A sizeable portion of the live audience in Orlando, Florida could be heard booing — booing an active service member bravely defending our country!

Winners, Losers of Fox News-Google Debate
Karl Rove breaks down who came out on top and who failed to impress

Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum responded by demeaning this honorable American, saying that gays in the military shouldn’t get “special privilege”– failing to acknowledge that “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” was actually special punishment.
More than 8 in 10 Americans supported repealing the unfair restriction on gay men and women in the military. But Santorum offensively quipped that “sex has no place in the military” — something that would come as quite a shock to heterosexuals in the armed forces, who are free to have whatever relationships they please. It was a shameful moment when an aspiring president failed to stand up for the most basic of human rights and some in the audience booed a member of our nation’s military.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/23/sex-lies-and-immigration-more-gop-candidates-talk-more-out-touch-appear/#ixzz1YpjtL

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 23, 2011
at 8:37 PM
On a non political note

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/22/cern-light-speed_n_977014.html?ncid=webmail8

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By: Anonymous on September 23, 2011
at 1:59 PM
The last post was mine. You might like the video too, Noah and also I report.

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By: James on September 23, 2011
at 12:41 PM
delurkergurl, I Repost aside, no one here comes close to hit and run as you do. If you really want to get into it, I would be happy to take part of an afternoon and post your comments from the past and show how time and again people have debunked what you have said from being very misrepresented to pure lies. Every time someone traps you with your own words, you run and hide, claiming you are just being baited, and are too good to respond.

Personally, I want Republican to be obstructionist. I want them to grind the government to a complete halt and let it implode upon itself before letting Obama continue on his mission to dismantle this country. We have a President that thinks it is acceptable to put the country in debt by more than a trillion dollars a year and would he have his way he would do it until our economy was in complete ruin. We have other Democrats on video record last month saying they think that putting debt limits harms the country and that debt in no way harms our economy. With that level of ignorance, to the point I would charge some with treason, I want no part in anything that resembles compromise.

Liberals are the ones hurting our children and our seniors. A Democrat wants to fool you into believing they are looking out for you by keeping social security just the way it is. A Republican believes in reality. They understand that we either fix social security into something that will be here in 10 years, or face the possibility that it will fail completely and there will be nothing for anyone. A Liberal is ok living high off the government nipple now at the expense of our children later. A Republican believes we need to take care of our own problems now, pay the price now, so our children can live better lives later.

I don’t care what your political ideology is, the math transcends all of that. You cannot have anything close to half the population on assistance and have it be sustainable. I believe the original math on social security was 1 person receiving to 5 people paying in. We long ago passed that in all areas of assistance. Because of Liberal insistence we have spent ourselves so far into debt trying to maintain assistant at these levels that they are all on the verge of collapse. We have two choices. Go with Liberal denial and keep things as they are until the collapse, or go with Republicans and find solutions so our nations poor have SOMETHING to help them when they need it.

I ask again, where was this jobs bill 3 years ago? We needed it as bad then as we do now. The difference now is that it will serve as a tool for Obama’s political needs. I am sick and tired of our lives being toyed with. We never get their attention until it serves them in some way. That being a problem with both sides sadly.

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By: Anonymous on September 23, 2011
at 12:41 PM
Delurkergurl, I like when you write.

Pfessor, I can imagine a truck load of pitfalls. Such a simple tax would not pass today. However, we may have to use something like that. Our economy is in such desperate shape that we may need to use such a plan if it brings in the most money. I especially like everyone’s paying a little something, because for some tax day is pay day. I need to think more about it.

Yes, people are getting tense. I found a solution. Google Glee -Safety Dance Music Video uploaded by wizpants. A group of college aged people made a stupid dance routine to the song. If it doesn’t give you, delurker, and others happy feet, I don’t know what will.

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By: Anonymous on September 23, 2011
at 12:39 PM
James –

What do you think of a simple tax table idea? No deductions, no hidden taxes. Just a progressive tax table from, say 5% for people under $20K up to 60% for those over $10M/year. That way everybody pays taxes and it allows for the fact that lotsa money can generate lotsa money all by itself, without the owner doing anything. Just an off the cuff idea; I’m sure there are a lot of pitfalls.

Anybody else feel free to jump in.

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By: Pfesser on September 23, 2011
at 12:01 PM
delurker –

Be cool; my college buddy’s dad said that if they piss you off it means they’re smarter than you, and I know that ain’t true.

Hell, everybody is on a taut string these days. We’re all pissed off, frustrated and worried. I have two kids and four step-kids trying to get a start and they don’t know where to begin. Even with my experience, I wouldn’t know where to start out to have a decent life. I think it is almost certain to get worse – much, much worse.

Remember, Illigitimi non carborundum.

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By: Pfesser on September 23, 2011
at 11:57 AM
I agree Pfessor, and I know about the rage you mentioned. It will only get worse. Google “No Blade of Grass” or find the book. It describes the disintegration of society when a virus kills all grasses. The government decides there isn’t enough food to feed everyone, so they secretly plan to nuke the largest cities. I can imagine our own government doing something like that.

Later, rural and small town residents form their own groups to block roads and to steal what they can from the fleeing city folk.

I also think Romney is our best choice at this time.

Delurkergurl, I agree with your main points and disagree with you on others.

The tax rate data doesn’t debunk the fact that higher income earners pay most of the income taxes. It does show that, in my opinion, we should not have income limits to Social Security taxes as we do now.

You can find exceptions, but to make a blanket statement that Republicans hate Social Security is bunk. Many don’t like how it is managed, but that is a different issue. Social Security cannot last in its present form. In time, it and Medicare will consume most of the budget, and it will collapse under its own weight. Mostly Democrats have demagogued Social Security after people have suggested change because frightening people into thinking what for many is their sole means of support will be gone wins votes.

The Social Security trust fund is a myth. Our government has spent it all, and the fund has only IOUs to maintain itself. That is why I agree with Bernie Sanders and you. However, I think legislation should make it illegal to remove money from the trust fund for purposes other than spending on old people. Otherwise the fund will tempt the government as it does now.

We also need to make changes such as age requirements, but that is another problem.

Yes, Republicans and others support some features of the proposed jobs bill, and several leaders have said they may be able to pass them into law. Obama has said it is either all of the bill or none. One hopes his conciliatory nature will prevail when Congress gives him something to sign.

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By: James on September 23, 2011
at 11:04 AM
Alright, dum.b.a.ss,

I didn’t say the majority supports the whole bill. I said the majority supports many parts of it, which is precisely what the polls showed. I also didn’t say that the discrimination clause in the jobs bill is good legislation – I said you got it wrong, because you did. I’m not the one being dishonest, Captain Distortion.

As for the tax table, the first line you SHOULD have read was the caption. The data doesn’t represent what you ASS-U-ME it does. So start there. If reading comprehension is your problem, I can’t help you. The ‘scores’ of poor people you know is hardly scientific method, by the way. Why do you grill scores of poor people about their taxes, anyway?

As for me hiding and running when you fling bait at me – s.c.r.e.w. you. I don’t hide or run. I also don’t live here, salivating over your every word looking for places to pounce, like you do. I’m not your dam.n lap dog. You don’t interest me, and you aren’t here for a conversation. I am not required to obey your commands. Please go back to posting with an identifiable name so it’s easier scroll past your drivel. You’re welcome to use dum.b.a.ss, Captain Distortion, or bait flinger – if you are concerned someone’s going to stalk some generic ‘Noah’ that makes a complete jerk of himself on an old lady blog.

I found something I posted several days ago that’s stuck in moderation for having too many links. Here it is, with the links broken but if you are at all curious (snort) you can put the www’s back to find the information that backs it up.

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What you said, Noah, is “2 years of a Democrat President with COMPLETE Democrat controlled congress. How is that not getting his policy? This is the trifecta, the grand slam home run of the political world. It doesn’t get any better than this.”

It wasn’t COMPLETE Democrat control, as I explained.

Then you said Dems could have blocked the obstruction, but that’s only true of the senate, so Anonymous at 2:48 AM was right. There
was no trifecta. Your comments were just bait, as was your follow-up line:
“So what you are saying is he has been completely ineffective as a President?”

Grow up.

Explain why it’s OK with you that the Republicans have filibustered everything they possibly could in the past 3 years. If the Dems were the minority party would you be OK with them overriding the ELECTED majority, even when there was no disagreement? Of course you wouldn’t be OK with it.

Do the rights of the voters and outcomes of elections matter only when your guy wins?

There’s a table here that shows historic level of filibuster usage during the past 3 years.
newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02/republican-obstruction-at-work-record-number-of-filibusters/

It doesn’t stop with legislative obstruction. Here are just a few REPUBLICANS who are calling for an end to judicial appointment obstruction.

Chief Justice Roberts Calls for End to Senate Obstruction of Judges
thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/01/01/136899/roberts-confirmations/

GOP Judges Write Senators Asking Them To Stop Obstructing President Obama’s Judges
thinkprogress.org/justice/2010/11/20/176970/gop-judges-write/

FORMER GOP AIDE: SENATE REPUBLICANS WOULD EVEN BLOCK BEN FRANKLIN IF OBAMA NOMINATED HIM
thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/06/20/248417/gop-blocks-ben-franklin/

Alliance for Justice report – historic obstruction
afj.org/judicial-selection/state_of_the_judiciary_111th_congress_report.pdf

FORMER GOP JUDGE SLAMS SENATE GOP OBSTRUCTION OF JUDICIAL NOMINEES
thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/09/12/316829/former-gop-judge-slams-senate-gop-obstruction-of-judicial-nominees/

He got this so right that I’ll repeat his quote:

“The Obama administration was slow out of the gate on this one – nominations trickled forth in the early days of the administration when the President’s team should have been well-prepared with the names of nominees. But a considerable amount of the fault for this also has to be laid at the feet of Republicans who have made it a badge of honor to frustrate this President, himself a man of the law, from shaping the federal courts he inherited from George W. Bush. If you doubt this conclusion, reflect for a moment on the Senate minority leader’s comment shortly before the 2010 mid-term election when he said that the top – top — political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term in office. Really, Senator? So where on the priority list do we put conducting the Senate’s constitutional business?”

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Get a life, buttercup.

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By: delurkergurl on September 23, 2011
at 10:56 AM
The Tax table presented by delurkergurl as fact, is a lie. All I have to do is look at the first line. It states that those making less than 10k a year are paying 14.9% tax rate. I have worked with scores and scores and scores of people at this income level and not one has ever paid even $1. Not one.

“Republicans hate Social Security because it has been an extraordinary success.”
This debunks the entire rant as a Liberal with a grudge and no objectivity at all. It is an outrageous statement with no basis in fact or reality.

As far as the Gallop poll goes it is a prop. They cherry picked parts of the bill then try and claim almost all Americans support the bill. It is not honest, you are not honest delurk. Show me a comprehensive range of questions on the bill and a poll of that and I will take it seriously.

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By: Anonymous on September 23, 2011
at 9:40 AM
Bernie Sanders is so very good!!!! Raise the Cap!!!! Save Social Security!

The real Class WarFare

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 23, 2011
at 8:38 AM
3 unrelated things…

Effective tax rate data, which debunks the debunking.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?DocID=3204
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Gallup poll: Americans favor many of the jobs plan proposals. Even the majority of Republicans! I wonder if their elected representatives will represent them, as they were elected to do.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149567/Americans-Favor-Jobs-Plan-Proposals-Including-Taxing-Rich.aspx
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A message from Bernie Sanders:

Why to Republicans Hate Social Security?

Republicans hate Social Security because it has been an extraordinary success and has done exactly what it was designed to do. It is the most successful government program in our nation’s history and is enormously popular.

When Social Security was developed, 50 percent of seniors lived in poverty. Today, that number is 10 percent — still too high, but a testament to the success of Social Security.

Republicans have spent years demonizing Social Security and spreading lies about its sustainability. They want to scare Americans and build support for making drastic cuts to the program or privatizing it entirely. Their long-term goal is to end Social Security as we know it, and convert it into a private account system which will enable Wall Street to make hundreds of billions in profits.

The truth is that, today, according to the Social Security Administration, Social Security has a $2.7 trillion surplus and can pay out every benefit owed to every eligible American for the next 25 years.

Further, because it is funded by the payroll tax and not the U.S. Treasury, Social Security has not contributed one nickel to our deficit.

Now — in a prolonged recession that has decimated the poor and middle class and pushed more Americans into poverty than at any point in modern history — we need to strengthen Social Security. That’s why I, along with nine co-sponsors, have introduced the “Keeping Our Social Security Promises Act.” This legislation would lift the Social Security Payroll tax cap on all income over $250,000 a year, would require millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share into the Social Security Trust Fund, and would extend the program for the next 75 years.

Join me now as a citizen co-sponsor of the Keeping Our Social Security Promises Act.

For 76 years, through good times and bad, Social Security has paid out every benefit owed to every eligible American. The most effective way to strengthen Social Security for the next 76 years is to scrap the payroll tax cap for those earning $250,000 a year or more.

Right now, someone who earns $106,800 pays the same amount of money into Social Security as billionaires like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. That is because today, all income above $106,800 is exempt from the Social Security tax. As a result, 94% of Americans pay Social Security tax on all of their income, but the wealthiest 6% do not.

That makes no sense.

The “Keeping Our Social Security Promises Act” will ensure the long-term solvency of Social Security without cutting benefits, raising the retirement age or raising taxes on the middle class.

Join me and Democracy for America in fighting to strengthen Social Security — Sign on as a citizen co-sponsor of the Keeping Our Social Security Promises Act.

Social Security is keeping tens of millions of seniors out of poverty today. I can think of no more important issue facing our country today than making sure that Social Security remains strong for generations to come.

Thank you.

-Bernie

Senator Bernie Sanders
U.S. Senator from Vermont

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By: delurkergurl on September 23, 2011
at 8:22 AM
HE IS BACK!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/44634276#44634276

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 23, 2011
at 8:07 AM
Another OUT SOURCING JOBS bill is being pushed!

http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/09/20/corporations-backing-new-trade-deals-outsourced-18600-jobs/

Congress will soon consider three so-called free trade agreements (FTAs) between the United States and Korea, Colombia and Panama. Yet because these agreements do not include sufficient protections for workers, passage of these pacts would be a job-killing move at a time when more than 26 million Americans are unemployed, underemployed or have stopped looking for work. The proposed Korea trade deal would cost an estimated 159,000 U.S. jobs alone, according to trade experts who have studied the deal, and its loopholes could open the doors for goods made in China or even sweatshops and North Korea, but labeled in South Korea.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 23, 2011
at 7:50 AM
Buying votes and politicians works!!!! KOCH BROTHERS ARE NOW THE 4TH WEALTHIEST!!! The Koch Brothers wealth has shot up tremendously as the middle class shrinks. MORE MONEY TO THE WEALTHY!!!!

http://thegreenmiles.blogspot.com/2011/09/new-forbes-400-is-out-guess-whos-4.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheGreenMiles+%28The+Green+Miles%29

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 23, 2011
at 7:41 AM
It is a catch 22 situation that is self perpetuating, and it is all the proof we need the damage Liberal ideas have.

Dependency is a bad thing. The worse the economy gets, the more people need help. The more people need help the more burden that is placed on an already overburdened system. The only way to fix it is to make cuts so there is still some system left to help people with. They more people need the help, the more damage will be done to them when the cuts are made.There is no win here, but what is clear as time goes on, the harder it will be on more people when the inevitable happens.

Making people dependent is a large part of why we are here. To many people not contributing to maintain what we have. Making people think they are victims is not the way to go. It is counterproductive to getting people back into the game. Human nature takes the path of least resistance. By making victims out of them you give them an easy to out, and no one should be surprised that generational dependency was the result.

We need to return to the 40’s and 50’s where taking care of ones own family was a matter of pride, where men were men. Where a real man would be shamed to live off the government nipple for any period of time.

This politically correct stuff needs to go out the window. It is nothing more than a covert attack by terrorists to undermine our nation. Our kids need to learn how to lose as well as how to win, to build character. When was the last time you could say with a straight face, I want my kid to be like the President?

For those who think religion is dangerous. I think we are now living what can happen to a people when they go so far out of their way to remove God from a country largely founded on that principle. Historical documents are ripe with examples of our national heritage and its connection to God. I am a proud African-American, I am a proud Muslim, and all of these other classifications of people we go so far out of our way to acknowledge and protect, yet to say I am a proud God fearing American is becoming an offensive term. I am proud to be a Christian, White Male, Red White And Blue Gun Toting American. That does not make me greedy. That does not make me a racist. That doesn’t mean I want to force you at gunpoint believe in my God. I hold no shame in this declaration and I will not downplay that pride because it might offend someone’s delicate sensibilities.

I have no desire to be China, or Iran, or Russia, or Greece. We need to stop being ashamed of what we have and who we are. Rather we need to show others how to get what we got, not try to be more like them.

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By: Anonymous on September 23, 2011
at 7:39 AM
James –

The Edmund Fitzgerald storm is like a popcorn fart compared to the anger that is brewing in America. I’m sitting right in the middle of rural Virginia; I have never seen such disgust and anger; you have no idea. Or maybe you do.

As I posted at Rutherford’s – it’s Romney for me. Slowly, agonizingly, reluctantly, and as the lesser of many evils. I have said for many years that it is truly stunning the damage that can be done by incompetent leaders, and we are seeing it now, IMHO. Yes, Bush left an absolute cesspool behind, but this Keynesian nonsense being put forth by the Obama administration – stuff that was tried and discarded fifty years ago – is driving us down the tubes with breathtaking speed. Just before he died, Milton Friedman said that the US had spent fifty years demonstrating to the world that the socialist model did not work; now *they* have learned and changed how they do business – and *we* are following THEIR old path to socialism.

I voted for Obama, but he has to go. I had no concept how naive he was about economics. But more importantly, his minions: The Bernank, Bob Rubin, Tim Geithner – have to go. I hope this economy can be resurrected after we get them out of office.

re: Perry, drought and God. It’s simple really: God doesn’t hear his prayers and doesn’t want him to be President.

That’s a joke.

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By: PFesser on September 23, 2011
at 7:15 AM
Walter Russel Mead wrote that “economic event are moving so rapidly that we have no way of foreseeing the economic environment for the next year. It will probably not be very good, but how bad it will be and how it will look to voters cannot yet be foretold.”

“This is not just about how big the deficit should be, it is about whether the international financial system will survive the next six months in the form we now know it. It is about whether the foundations of the post war order are cracking in Europe. It is about whether the American middle class is about to be knocked off its feet once again and indeed whether the middle class as we’ve known it will survive.”

Meanwhile, our politicians talk about false jobs bills, gays, prayer, and Ponzi schemes. Yet, no one can find much of the budget to cut because they all fear the voters’ wrath.

It feels like being on the Edmund Fitzgerald when the storm began.

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By: James on September 23, 2011
at 7:00 AM
I Repost, I can no more look into a man’s soul and tell you what is going on than you can formulate a thought someone didn’t hand to you first.

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By: Anonymous on September 23, 2011
at 6:41 AM
Anon: While on the topic of God is punishing and judging: Texas has a major drought and Forest Fires which have taken hundreds, or thousands ot houses and businesses! Why Godly Texas? They prayed and prayed for and with Rick Perry. Please see the video above and explain why Godly Rick Perry and Texas are being punished.

Please tell

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 8:38 PM
Anon: Being the conservative and brainiac that you believe you are,

Tell us how this Rick Perry Florida Co-Chair came up with Gays are causing
natural disasters… Please tell

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/meet-rick-perrys-florida-co-chair-gays-caus

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 8:27 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present for your ridicule, today’s Liberal man. Take a bow I Repost.

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By: Anonymous on September 22, 2011
at 8:18 PM
You are making a fool out of yourself fella.

Go watch more FOX and argue with yourself.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 8:15 PM
I Repost, I only asked you to own your own words. To be a man for once in your life and stand by what you said. Embarrassed by your own shortcomings, you lash out at me.

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By: Anonymous on September 22, 2011
at 8:11 PM
Hate to break your heart, but a I had lunch with a Principal friend at a public school and before eating he closed his eyes for a minute. I asked what that was about and he said he just said a prayer. I chuckled and asked if it was legal. He just said he or anyone can close their eyes an pray at any time, any where.

Any person of any religion can close their eyes and pray at any time and I will bet that most people will not even know.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 8:10 PM
Out of the mouths of babes. A 15 year old school kid wrote.

NOW I SIT ME DOWN IN SCHOOL
WHERE PRAYING IS AGAINST THE RULE
FOR THIS GREAT NATION UNDER G-D
FINDS MENTION OF HIM VERY ODD.
IF SCRIPTURE NOW THE CLASS RECITES,
IT VIOLATES THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
AND ANYTIME MY HEAD I BOW
BECOMES A FEDERAL MATTER NOW.
OUR HAIR CAN BE PURPLE, ORANGE OR GREEN,
THAT’S NO OFFENSE; IT’S A FREEDOM SCENE.
THE LAW IS SPECIFIC, THE LAW IS PRECISE.
PRAYERS SPOKEN ALOUD ARE A SERIOUS VICE.
FOR PRAYING IN A PUBLIC HALL
MIGHT OFFEND SOMEONE WITH NO FAITH AT ALL.
IN SILENCE ALONE WE MUST MEDITATE,
G-D’S NAME IS PROHIBITED BY THE STATE.
WE’RE ALLOWED TO CUSS AND DRESS LIKE FREAKS,
AND PIERCE OUR NOSES, TONGUES AND CHEEKS.
THEY’VE OUTLAWED GUNS, BUT FIRST THE BIBLE.
TO QUOTE THE GOOD BOOK MAKES ME LIABLE.
WE CAN ELECT A PREGNANT SENIOR QUEEN,
AND THE ‘UNWED DADDY,’ OUR SENIOR KING.
ITS ‘INAPPROPRIATE’ TO TEACH RIGHT FROM WRONG,
WE’RE TAUGHT THAT SUCH ‘JUDGMENTS’ DO NOT BELONG.
WE CAN GET OUR CONDOMS AND BIRTH CONTROLS,
STUDY WITCHCRAFT, VAMPIRES AND TOTEM POLES.
BUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED,
NO WORD OF G-D MUST REACH THIS CROWD.
IT’S SCARY HERE I MUST CONFESS,
WHEN CHAOS REIGNS THE SCHOOL’S A MESS.
SO, LORD, THIS SILENT PLEA I MAKE:
SHOULD I BE SHOT; MY SOUL PLEASE TAKE! AMEN

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By: Anonymous on September 22, 2011
at 8:04 PM
Anon: check out this video: I see you as the misinformed FOX viewer who is misinformed and spread misinformation. You can argue with yourself. You have all the answers you need, seems to me.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+young+turks&view=detail&mid=BF8E3B094D2B15046B48BF8E3B094D2B15046B48&first=0&FORM=LKVR30

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 7:57 PM
Hey I Repost, I asked ya a question. If you don’t know just say so. Don’t be like Delurk and run and hide anytime someone calls you on your so called facts.

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By: Anonymous on September 22, 2011
at 7:12 PM
Republican Presidential Candidates Campaign signs! Very Good!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 6:06 PM
Does this ass make my car look big? funny

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 6:00 PM
Obama in his speech said a Billionaire should pay the same tax rate as a Plumber. I think the rich should party in the streets at this announcement and call the Presidents bluff on this. The average Plumber makes about $48,000. If he is married he pays on average 7.8%. If he has kids he pays next to nothing. The rich currently on average pay 29-30%. Sounds to me that Obama is not a progressive but a flat tax man.

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By: Anonymous on September 22, 2011
at 4:07 PM
I Report,

we know Elizabeth Warren is lying as much as Warren Buffet is when she says the rich are not paying their fair share. We have demonstrated the falsity of the statement right here on this blog. Her speech is standard class warfare schtic designed to energize her supporters.

If she was discussing individual cases of legalized and unlawful tax cheating in all classes, her speech would be relevant.

She should have said something like this: ” We have a problem. For years, you asked for too much and we gave it to you. Now that many of you are dependent on the government’s largess, your demands and external changes have forced us to change our ways.

Our salvation will be brutal and painful. We, even the poorest among us, may have to make unimaginable sacrifices, and that includes more taxes for all of us, not just the rich…”

If she said something like that and meant it, I would vote for her if she was in Iowa.

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By: James on September 22, 2011
at 3:54 PM
First off Citizens United, is dam near a criminal organization.

I Repost , “We need to stop the excessive greed of banks and corporations.”

Could you define what excessive greed is? My understanding of business is the cost to produce a product and what someone is willing to pay for a product, ie the market, will define the fair market value of a good or service and thus the profit to be made. Competition plays a large roll in keeping profits in line. Excessive greed in this context makes no sense to me as it would more than likely drive a company out of business by making them uncompetitive.

If for the sake of argument you are able to give some arbitrary definition to what exactly excessive greed is, what is the measure of that term? What constitutes excessive greed, who makes that determination, and does it then become a crime?

I don’t mean to try and make your argument for you but it seems to me that it fits about the same way as trying to claim water is too wet. It is what it is by definition and to complain about it for doing what it is designed to do just doesn’t work for me.

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By: Anonymous on September 22, 2011
at 1:00 PM
With Elizabeth Warren, the average person has a small chance against the corporate/Billionaire machine that is now making the rules.

We need to stop the excessive greed of banks and corporations.

We need to reconsider Citizens United and with people like Warren, we might even stop a war or two that has cost us Trillions. (I won’t believe corporations are people until Texas executes one! I think that was from Juanita Jean.)

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 9:15 AM
In 2008, Obama promised that if he was elected, his global warming policies would cause the ocean’s rate of rise to decrease. The Washington Examiner reported that the ocean has in fact fallen during the past two years. It went down a quarter of an inch on US shores last year.

I agree Elizabeth Warren is refreshingly honest and forthright. I also believe she is wrong and don’t want my tax money paying her salary.

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By: James on September 22, 2011
at 9:10 AM
Colbert on class warfare

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/stephen-colbert-mocks-republicans-talking-p

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 9:09 AM
Jon Stewart and Rep Gov Daniels,- part 3,
Corporate tax rates and slash taxes talk

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-21-2011/exclusive—mitch-daniels-extended-interview-pt–3

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 8:45 AM
Jon Stewart and Mitch Daniels, Rep Gov – part 2. Starting to get into specific
points. An actual discussion – amazing that it happens on a comedy show.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-21-2011/exclusive—mitch-daniels-extended-interview-pt–2

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 8:40 AM
Jon Stewart interviews Rep Gov Mitch Daniels – part 1 – a must see *there are three parts, Talking ecomony and tax cuts

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-21-2011/exclusive—mitch-daniels-extended-interview-pt–1

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 8:35 AM
I agree with Donna. Every job interviewer harbors an element of conscious or unconscious impressions of pro or anti -bias toward the interviewee. I’ve read some employers tend to hire people who have been unemployed for a shorter time, or who are still working under the belief that job skills deteriorate with time.

As I wrote yesterday, Dan Pheiffer, President Obama’s communications director said Obama and his allies have not compromised unless forced to. Now, they plan to force their way as often as possible in the hope they can win back independents who some polls show like politicians who don’t compromise.

So, delurkergurl, when you blame tea partiers, if you are fair, you must blame Obamaites also. A rock and a hard place are fighting for what they believe in.

During one of my rants last June, I wrote the our flood would affect taxes and the budget. I didn’t expect multiple national disasters to become so important they might cause the government to shut down.

This situation illustrates another problem. Our legislators often don’t know what they are doing, and ignorance guides them. An Iowa representative said most of his collegues don’t know that the Heartland is surviving the longest lasting flood in national history. One proposal wouldn’t even give the Corps of Engineers money to pay for our flood, let alone the horrible hurricane and other damage.

If we knew the true nature of “Animal Farm” mentality, dependence on staff and lobbyists, we would fear for our lives.

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By: James on September 22, 2011
at 7:21 AM
Yes, discrimination is hard to prove — sometimes. Often it is totally blatant such as based on skin color, religion, ethnicity, etc. But this **** about never even entertaining an application from someone who is currently out of a job is, well, anti-American. It used to be a big corporate secret but the cat is definitely out of the bag. It will be proved.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 22, 2011
at 6:38 AM
Do not mention this video – ever!

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files/911-a-conspiracy-theory.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 22, 2011
at 6:33 AM
re: 28th Amendment.

Hear! Hear! I believe it was Jefferson who, in lending his approval to the Constitution, felt that the greatest danger to America lay in the formation of Congress – an open invitation to oligarchy – which, of course it has become. These folks need to be of the people, by the people, and for the people – not some privileged aristocracy that votes those privileges upon itself at everyone else’s expense.

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By: pfesser53 on September 22, 2011
at 3:21 AM
I guess we agree to disagree. I fail to see any logic in passing a “jobs” bill that has a part in it that is destructive to job creation. I will sign any petition to recall anyone in congress that would vote to pass a bill that will make it that much harder for employers to higher and puts more money in the trial lawyers pockets.

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By: Anonymous on September 21, 2011
at 9:35 PM
Elizabeth Warren is so great!!

Elizabeth Warren illustrates here how to make a punchy and persuasive case as to 1) why we have had a burgeoning deficit; and 2) why it is appropriate for successful business people to be taxed in a progressive manner. She speaks with conviction and with impeccable logic, in short, clear, declarative sentences — there is no “on the one hand this, on the other hand that nonsense”, no attempt to blur where she stands, and a respect for the intelligence of her audience. It’s really well done. And if you’re going to lose, this is the way to do it — while actually standing for something.
http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2011/09/on-the-elizabeth-warren-bandwagon.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 21, 2011
at 9:02 PM
I *never* said it was good legislation, Donna. I just said Noah characterized it wrong – and he did. Probably intentionally unless he’s just another sheep. Unemployed people ARE being discriminated against. He won’t give a rat’s a$$ until it happens to someone he knows. I do. Not sure this discrimination could be proven any easier than any other kind of discrimination in court. It just is, and isn’t acceptable. I view it as more a position statement than anything else. It’s a tiny piece of a great big piece of legislation. Some parts good, some not so good, but in my view it’s all better than trying to appease the tea party and getting nowhere as a country.

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By: delurkergurl on September 21, 2011
at 8:35 PM
boy, I go on vacation for a few weeks and come back to what largely appears to be the same discussion. I Report continuing to post links. The Blogger Formerly Known as Noah continuing to generalize about liberals.

But hey–let’s take on one of those generalizations. I think my liberal credentials are pretty well established. And I think that the anti-discrimination portion of the law is terrible. It’s difficult to enforce, it’s unfair to employers. And since when is “unemployed” a protected classification? Love you delurker, but we don’t agree on this aspect of the law.

The notion that liberals all see things a certain way is a canard.

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By: Donna on September 21, 2011
at 8:01 PM
REM broke up today. “Its The End of the World as We Know it” and a “Dark Night. (The Blasters)

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By: James on September 21, 2011
at 6:03 PM
No response delurkergurl? IMO this is one of the worst laws for employment I have seen in a decade or more. Rather looking forward to your take on it to explain why you think this is a good law.

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By: Anonymous on September 21, 2011
at 4:18 PM
Unexplainable, Inexcusable

No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay. While Politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, and receive full pay retirement after serving one term. It just does not make any sense.

On Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?

35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government

Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform… in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ..”

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By: Anonymous on September 21, 2011
at 2:03 PM
I report – re: for-profit colleges.

I have first-hand experience with these. My son applied for one and was immediately accepted. His grades in high school didn’t matter. They were going to hook him up with loans. The acceptance rate is 100% – they advertise that themselves!

Cost was about 3X what he could get identical classes for at a community college.

As you might imagine, he went to community college. Those for-profit things are a rip-off down to the very last one.

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By: Pfesser on September 21, 2011
at 12:00 PM
I also wonder, delurkergurl, if this healthcare plan is so good, why did congress pass a provision that allows them to exempt themselves from having to participate in this?

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By: Anonymous on September 21, 2011
at 11:28 AM
delurkergurl, since you have a very firm grasp on this, you tell me. How does one determine if the reason was due to unemployment? Is it the look in his eyes? Maybe if his hair was parted to the left, or the right? I would love to hear your take on this and how you think this is a positive step towards solving our unemployment.

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By: Anonymous on September 21, 2011
at 11:18 AM
“This bill has a provision to allow job seekers to sue an employer for discrimination if he does not hire you and you are unemployed. ”

No, it allows you to sue an employer for discrimination if he does not hire you BECAUSE you are unemployed. You know – discrimination.

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By: delurkergurl on September 21, 2011
at 10:49 AM
Health Reform Has Already Extended Coverage To 1 Million 18-25 Year Olds
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/09/21/324415/gallup-health-reform-has-already-extended-coverage-to-1-million-18-25-year-olds/

A million more people in probably the healthiest demographic now have health insurance. These young people now have less exposure to the financial risk of being uninsured. It’s additional revenue for insurers, while also helping to dilute the risk of insuring higher-risk folks. It’s step toward reducing cost overall. This is good stuff.

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By: delurkergurl on September 21, 2011
at 10:48 AM
I Repost, Let us think about compromise. We have the right way, and the wrong way to do a thing. You are suggesting those with the right idea, by choice, do some of the wrong things. Why would any sane person do that?

I Repost, did you know in this jobs bill, that it is just a new tool for Liberals? What is a Liberal? A Liberal is a would-be hero. First they need to show you how you are a victim. After they convince you of that, they show you how they are going to save you if you vote them into power. In this Jobs Jobs Jobs bill, a new class of Victim is being created. This bill has a provision to allow job seekers to sue an employer for discrimination if he does not hire you and you are unemployed. Does anyone else see the Pandora’s Box that will be opened if this is put into law?

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By: Anonymous on September 21, 2011
at 10:08 AM
Let us compromise and go to THE RONALD REAGAN TAX RATES!!

Give and take, compromise – the Gipper did it, so can our current leaders, Repubicans and Democrats!!!! We need a serious JOBS, JOBS, JOBS bill that puts people to work now and is paid for when taxes are raised to the rates of RONALD REAGAN!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 21, 2011
at 9:15 AM
That was I.

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By: James on September 21, 2011
at 9:09 AM
Dan Pfeiffer, President Obama’s communications director said:

“The popular narrative is that we sought compromise in a quixotic quest for independent votes…We were in a position of legislative compromise by necessity. That phase is behind us.

In this new phase, Mr. Obama must solidify support among democrats by standing pat for progressive party principles, while trusting that a show of strong leadership for the policies he believes in will appeal to independents. Polls consistently suggest that perhaps the only thing that unites independents as much as their desire for compromise is their inclination toward leaders who signal strength by fighting for their beliefs.” (Patterico’s Pointifications… Right from the horses mouth)

In other words, President Obama and his allies have tried to change the discussion in two ways. The first is that the rich don’t pay fair taxes. The second is that Democrats are trying to reach compromise in the face of Republican intransigence. Both are positions are fables.

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By: Anonymous on September 21, 2011
at 9:07 AM
RONALD REAGAN, our hero, was correct in setting tax rates!!! Set the tax rates at the same rates during Reagan’s term of office!!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 21, 2011
at 7:51 AM
I Repost, you are a fine, fine example of what the socialist party has to offer.

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By: Anonymous on September 21, 2011
at 6:59 AM
PEOPLE WANT BILLIONAIRES TO PAY THE SAME TAX RATE AS THEIR NANNY!!! The polls are clear! TAX FAIRNESS!! Tax at the rate of RONALD REAGAN, our hero!!!!!

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/2368/updated-tax-polls

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 21, 2011
at 6:23 AM
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/09/gi-bill-for-profit-colleges

The link for the college article above.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 21, 2011
at 5:56 AM
Our soldiers are being ripped off by FOR PROFIT, CORPORATE COLLEGES! They are trying to make it to the middle class and end up loaded with debt because of corporate greed!

For-profit colleges bill themselves as flexible job-training programs, but their costs can outweigh the benefits. At 8 of the 10 for-profits that take in the most GI Bill cash, more than half of students drop out within a year of matriculation. Many students find that prospective employers and graduate schools won’t take their coursework seriously since most for-profits lack accreditation from legitimate academic bodies. “I researched the accreditation and it seemed legit. I had no idea…none of my schooling would transfer,” an Army vet and University of Phoenix alum from St. Petersburg, Florida, wrote on the VA’s GI Bill Facebook page. “A lot of places see the guaranteed GI Bill as cash in hand and it’s a shame they take advantage of us.”

Some for-profits have cleaned out students’ military benefits while also signing them up for thousands of dollars in loans without their knowledge. A vet who enrolled at the largely online Ashford University after being told the GI Bill would cover his tuition ended up owing the school $11,000. “I felt that I have been misled, deceived, or even outright lied to,” he told Senate investigators.

At some schools, more than 60 percent of military students ultimately default on their loans. A 2010 VA audit found serious bookkeeping errors at nearly every school it reviewed: An Arizona school didn’t give a veteran promised tuition discounts and pocketed $20,000; a New Jersey school collected nearly $5,000 in tuition from a student after he’d been recalled to active duty.

How did this much-loved program become corporate welfare? Congress expanded GI Bill benefits for service members and their spouses just as investors were looking for fast-growing stocks—like educational for-profits—to replace the once-hot real estate market. Tuition assistance is now paid directly to institutions, not soldiers, making it easier for schools to convince vets to sign over their benefits. GI Bill dollars have also enabled for-profits to boost how much federal financial aid they receive. In order to collect federal Title IV aid—Pell grants, Stafford loans, and Plus loans—the schools must obey the “90/10 rule”: They can’t derive more than 90 percent of their total income from Title IV programs. GI Bill funds don’t count toward that total. So every dollar of military aid enables for-profit schools to collect nine dollars from the Department of Education.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 21, 2011
at 5:52 AM
Having a billionaire pay the SAME TAX RATE as a secretary is NOT CLASS WARFARE! It is simple math!!! Those who have benefitted the most the past 10 years have been paying a lot less percentage than the policemen and firefighters. Time to get back to the Ronald Reagan, our hero, tax rates.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/obama-not-class-warfare-its-math

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 21, 2011
at 5:31 AM
Bill O’Reilly bitching at 50% taxes and packing it in. Bill will never pay that high a tax -Bill lies to get his folks upset is all it is.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/lawrence-odonnell-explains-why-were-not-go

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 21, 2011
at 5:20 AM
I found you from an article on the 5 top women blogs to follow in multiple categories today. I think you were humor but I think you top my list in political as well. I love love love love you! I want to be you at your age and I want you to be my grandmother. I shared on Facebook and 4 other of my friends so farLOVE you as well. Keep it up. You are smart, witty and AWESOME!

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By: Michele Huntington Palmer on September 20, 2011
at 10:18 PM
Thanks uawtradesman and Anonymous.

To the other anon, who taught you to think? Whoever did should give you your money back. I wasn’t whining about concerts, etc. I was making a point about Obama’s, the media’s and others low regard for flyover country. I spelled it out so even a carrot could understand.

What do farm subsidies have to do with a flood? On another occasion, I told NOP that grain farmers don’t need subsidies right now. You can’t even get that straight.

And you call me a piece of work? uawcalled you an asshat. For the likes of you, it is a complement.

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By: James on September 20, 2011
at 12:27 PM
anon 10:02………..

flyover country and the coast…..

Iowa Tries Again For Flood Assistance

http://www.ketv.com/r/28908613/detail.html

Register for Flood Aid Before Irene Hits, Officials Warn

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=57492

President Obama Pledges Federal Aid Assistance During Visit To Flooded NJ Areas

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/09/04/obama-heading-to-nj-to-tour-flood-ravaged-paterson/

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By: uawtradesman on September 20, 2011
at 11:58 AM
Anon 10:02 How much has to go wrong in an area for you to feel they qualify for assistance?

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By: Anonymous on September 20, 2011
at 10:57 AM
and another asshat appears….

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By: uawtradesman on September 20, 2011
at 10:17 AM
James, are you the same man, who whined about not getting Federal Aid or charity concerts this summer? And of course, you want farm subsidies next year…what a piece of work…..

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By: Anonymous on September 20, 2011
at 10:02 AM
I Repost, making money is not a crime, nor does it by default make someone immoral.

“I am for recognizing that big public companies will continue to cut jobs in an effort to prop up stock prices”

The only thing this statement shows is your ignorance of the working world. Heads of big companies job is to make a business as profitable and relevant as they possibly can. The decision to hire or lay off is determined in what is in the best interest of the company to protect what they have. By making the company strong they ensure their will be jobs. If we were to take your approach, hiring because people needs jobs, not because the market justifies it, our unemployment rate would be far higher than it is today. Maybe that is the defining difference of someone like you and myself. You and yours seem to think of today, and have not care one for tomorrow. What good is solving today’s problems if your solution screws our future?

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By: Anonymous on September 20, 2011
at 9:50 AM
THANK YOU Cynthia!!. I am so busy laughing to think of what I report wrote.

This isn’t funny, but it gives you an idea of what our family is like. My aunt grew attached to a large toad in her yard. late one night, a disturbance woke her, and she looked out to check. A large bull snake was by the doorstep, and a lump was a few inches below its mouth.

My aunt grabbed the bull snake by the throat so it couldn’t bite her. Then, she squeezed until the lump reached the snake’s mouth. Out came the toad, a very lucky toad.

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By: James on September 20, 2011
at 9:44 AM
James – just for you….a bit long, sorry.
Did you know – Garter Snakes Can Be Dangerous

Snakes also known as Garter Snakes (Thamnophissirtalis) can be dangerous. Yes, grass snakes not rattle snakes. Here’s why.

A couple in Sweetwater, Texas, had a lot of potted plants. During a recent cold spell, the wife was bringing a lot of them indoors to protect them from a possible freeze. It turned out that a little green garden grass snake was hidden in one of the plants. When it had warmed up, it slithered out and the wife saw it go under the sofa. She let out a very loud scream.

The husband (who was taking a shower) ran out into the living room naked to see what the problem was. She told him there was a snake under the sofa. He got down on the floor on his hands and knees to look for it. About that time the family dog came and cold-nosed him on the behind. He thought the snake had bitten him, so he screamed and fell over on the floor. His wife thought he had had a heart attack, so she covered him up, told him to lie still and called an ambulance.

The attendants rushed in, would not listen to his protests, loaded him on the stretcher, and started carrying him out.

About that time, the snake came out from under the sofa and the Emergency Medical Technician saw it and dropped his end of the stretcher. That’s when the man broke his leg and why he is still in the hospital.

The wife still had the problem of the snake in the house, so she called on a neighbor who volunteered to capture the snake. He armed himself with a rolled-up newspaper and began poking under the couch. Soon he decided it was gone and told the woman, who sat down on the sofa in relief. But while relaxing, her hand slipped in between the cushions, where she felt the snake wriggling around. She screamed and fainted, the snake rushed back under the sofa. The neighbor man, seeing her lying there passed out, tried to use CPR to revive her. The neighbor’s wife, who had just returned from shopping at the grocery store, saw her husband’s mouth on the woman’s mouth and slammed her husband in the back of the head with a bag of canned goods, knocking him out and cutting his scalp to a point where it needed stitches. The noise woke the woman from her dead faint and she saw her neighbor lying on the floor with his wife bending over him, so she assumed that the snake had bitten him. She went to the kitchen and got a small bottle of whiskey, and began pouring it down the man’s throat.

By now, the police had arrived. Breathe here… They saw the unconscious man, smelled the whiskey, and assumed that a drunken fight had occurred. They were about to arrest them all, when the women tried to explain how it all happened over a little garden snake!

The police called an ambulance, which took away the neighbor and his sobbing wife.

Now, the little snake again crawled out from under the sofa and one of the policemen drew his gun and fired at it. He missed the snake and hit the leg of the end table. The table fell over, the lamp on it shattered and, as the bulb broke, it started a fire in the drapes. The other policeman tried to beat out the flames, and fell through the window into the yard on top of the family dog who, startled, jumped out and raced into the street, where an oncoming car swerved to avoid it and smashed into the parked police car.

Meanwhile, neighbors saw the burning drapes and called in the fire department. The firemen had started raising the fire ladder when they were halfway down the street. The rising ladder tore out the overhead wires, put out the power, and disconnected the telephones in a ten-square city block area (but they did get the house fire out).

Time passed! Both of the men were discharged from the hospital, the house was repaired, the dog came home, the police acquired a new car and all was right with their world.

A while later they were watching TV and the weatherman announced a cold snap for that night. The wife asked her husband if he thought they should bring in their plants for the night. And that’s when he shot her.

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By: Cynthia on September 20, 2011
at 9:30 AM
We need to make the tax rate what it was when RONALD REAGAN, our hero, was President!!!!! The class warfare has been the past 10 years when the wealthy took all the marbles and sent jobs overseas. The Hedge Fund and Wall Street fellows are making off like the bandits they are – with pockets and bank accounts loaded with money.

Here is Martin vs Matalin discussing the tax increase President Obama suggests! Good

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/martin-hits-back-matalins-assertion-presid

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 20, 2011
at 8:46 AM
I don’t feel sorry for the poor rep either. Lets take up a collection.

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By: James on September 20, 2011
at 8:29 AM
The Associated Press did some fact checking.

In 2009 less than one percent of people with incomes over a million dollars paid no income taxes. This year, households earning a million dollars or more paid an average of 29.% of taxable income.

People earning between fifty and seventy five thousand a year paid 15% in federal taxes.

Families earning forty to fifty thousand dollars a year paid 12% of their taxable income.

By singling out rich people, most of whom do pay taxes, Obama is engaging in class warfare. If he wants to close loopholes and end subsidies, let him remove them all. He knows the jobs bill won’t pass, but he hopes he can use it as a weapon to help win the next election.

Warren Buffet who says the rich need to pay more is disputing about a billion dollars in back taxes. He also opposes the proposed surtax on private jets. His conflict between ideology and business sense is showing.

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By: James on September 20, 2011
at 8:24 AM
Poor Rep only has $400,000.00 after taxes, feeding his family and paying expenses. He failed to mention his salary are US Rep. Interesting exchange. Honestly, I don’t feel sorry for him.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/rep-john-flemmings-magical-finances

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 20, 2011
at 8:15 AM
That was funny Cynthia. I liked it. Do you have any more?

I won’t tell you “I told you so” about Obama, Pfessor, but I will to NOP about the flood.

Earlier on, I wrote that Obama’s refusal to visit the flood zone even though he was campaigning in eastern Iowa showed how he dislikes our part of flyover land. Even if he disliked us, a visit would have been a nice political opportunity. NOP replied he had more important things to do because compared to Hurricane Katrina, this was just a hang nail.

I don’t believe he visited the tornado or drought areas either. Such visits from politicians are merely symbols, but symbols have meaning.

NOP also wrote our financial losses would be temporary because the government would reimburse us.

Yesterday’s Omaha World Herald Bruce Baley, the Democratic representative for Iowa’s first district wrote: “Small businesses are still under water after three months. Food banks are reporting crisis levels. And we’ve seen the worst highway damage in Iowa history.

While national TV networks focus on hurricanes and wild fires, who is showing pictures of the continuing devastation caused by the worst sustained flooding in the history of the lower Missouri River? Who is worried about my Aunt Mary and others like her?

They are frustrated with FEMA and how the Army Corps of Engineers handled the up stream water releases. They don’t see themselves on the national news, yet they see constant coverage of Hurricane Irene or the Washington DC earthquake.

My Aunt Marry is worried no one is paying attention, and she wants answers.”

Contrary to NOP’s assurances, our part of the Missouri River valley has received no help from FEMA. It sets a deadline for reporting damage, but in our case, the flood has lasted longer than the deadline. Therefore they offer no help because with water still around, flooded people don’t know what is there. Now, they are beginning to see as the water withdraws. Iowa is appealing, and they will set a new deadline.

Most of us don’t expect much help. We are used to taking care of ourselves. However, when I remember Obama’s snub and the money he wasted on his green friends, I think irrationally. It becomes personal, and as far as I’m concerned, he can to straight to a hot climate.

So Cynthia, more than anyone else reading it, I needed your little joke. Now, I feel better.

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By: James on September 20, 2011
at 8:00 AM
Mark Cuban says it is PATRIOTIC for the wealthy to pay more taxes!!

The Most Patriotic Thing You Can Do

Bust your ass and get rich.

Make a boatload of money. Pay your taxes. Lots of taxes. Hire people. Train people. Pay people. Spend money on rent, equipment, services. Pay more taxes.

When you make a shitload of money. Do something positive with it. If you are smart enough to make it, you will be smart enough to know where to put it to work.

I don’t care what anyone says. Being rich is a good thing. Not just in the obvious sense of benefiting you and your family, but in the broader sense. Profits are not a zero sum game. The more you make the more of a financial impact you can have.

I’m not against government involvement in times of need. I am for recognizing that big public companies will continue to cut jobs in an effort to prop up stock prices, which in turn stimulates the need for more government involvement. Every cut job by the big companies extracts a cost on the American people in one way or another.

Entrepreneurs are needed to create and grow companies to absorb those people in new jobs. If entrepreneurs don’t create those jobs, the government ends up having to spend more money to help them one way or another.

So be Patriotic. Go out there and get rich. Get so obnoxiously rich that when that tax bill comes , your first thought will be to choke on how big a check you have to write. Your 2nd thought will be “what a great problem to have”, and your 3rd should be a recognition that in paying your taxes you are helping to support millions of Americans that are not as fortunate as you.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 20, 2011
at 7:54 AM
Cynthia –

The YouTube video by Steve Wynn sums it up pretty well. People will invest their money if they have some idea what the future holds – good or bad. It’s the uncertainty that is a problem. Nobody knows what the next regulation or tax will be. I see they are planning to tax corporate jets $100/flight. These are not instruments for joy-riding. They carry decision-makers to meetings; the very fact they exist shows the companies have done the math and these aircraft give the company a competitive edge. I’m pretty disappointed in Obama; this kind of stuff is just class warfare, plain and simple – a way of buying votes by appealing to envy and splitting the country apart. I voted for this guy and I am very disappointed; I thought he was above that kind of stuff, but at the risk of sounding like some others here, he seems to be just another collectivist, like all the others. Just my opinion.

As for me, I don’t know how much the Medicare/Medicaid cuts will be – only that they will come, so I can’t plan. I don’t know how much my corporate taxes will go up or how many benefits I will have to provide to a new doctor. It’s the uncertainty that is a killer, so I am just going to cut back my services and work alone. I’m just one very small player but the big guys are doing the same thing. You can’t move the country forward by attacking the productive players. As I told my very short, very obnoxious partner one time, “You don’t stand taller by cutting other people down.”

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By: pfesser53 on September 20, 2011
at 6:45 AM
I would agree UAW if the dung in question could be positively I.D. from a Bull.

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By: Anonymous on September 19, 2011
at 11:42 PM
I heard that it was the presidents speech on the road….

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By: uawtradesman on September 19, 2011
at 9:37 PM
UAW – I just heard on the radio they are investigating a report of a large caravan of Politicians and Tea Party supporters traveling in buses on that very road on route to a GOP luncheon. Witnesses reported noticing something leaking from under the buses. It has been determined to have occurred during the time of the President’s speech this morning.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 19, 2011
at 2:52 PM
talking about shovel ready jobs….

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Manure-Spill-Over-Mile-Long-Closes-Md-Road-130105248.html

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By: uawtradesman on September 19, 2011
at 1:12 PM
That smile, will be turned upside down when the payment on all this comes due in 2013? Our kids, rightly so, are going to curse us for passing our burdens onto them.

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By: Anonymous on September 19, 2011
at 12:35 PM
Health Care Reform Reduces Medicare Advantage Premiums 2 Years in a Row
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/big-effing-deal-obamacare-cuts-medicare.html
😎

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By: delurkergurl on September 19, 2011
at 12:12 PM
Pfesser “….I can tell you from my own POV that in my current contract negotiations I am holding back on investing in a new associate because I don’t know what my tax situation is going to be next year….”

I have heard this remark a number of times recently and it confuses me. I understand questioning whether the demand for one’s services/product is great enough to justify the hiring of another employee. But not how tax enters into the decision. Are we talking about paying serveral thousand or ten’s of thousands of dollars more? Would you please explain this…..of course not looking for your personal situation.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 19, 2011
at 11:32 AM
You are right about the problem, I report. However, our administration has failed to help stimulate demand. Failed programs have put us in an even deeper financial hole than we were in and give even less wiggle room than we had.

James Carville said the administration should push the panic button. I think they just did.

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By: James on September 19, 2011
at 10:14 AM
Nice theory. It was Obama “doing it right” that got us where we are today. Great plan I Repost.

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By: Anonymous on September 19, 2011
at 9:11 AM
GOOGLE CEO says, THE US NEEDS THE JOBS BILL AND A STIMULUS TO KICKSTART DEMAND!!! Finally, a good explanation from business in what is going to get our economy moving again!

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/google-ceo-schmidt-admits-its-demand

You have a situation where the private sector sees essentially no growth in demand. The classic solution is to have the government step in and, with short-term initiatives, help stimulate that demand. If they do it right, they’ll invest in income and growth-producing things like highways and bridges and schools, new opportunities for the private sector to go then build businesses. Today not only is there no demand coming out of the government, but because of the housing crisis, nobody sees any improvement in their own liquidity, so nobody’s buying anything.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 19, 2011
at 8:39 AM
“Amy” by Pure Prairie League featuring a young Vince Gill…

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By: James on September 19, 2011
at 7:22 AM
I like your comments uawtradesman.

Good music Pfessor.

You probably remember how my brother in law nearly died in an accident about a year ago. His fractured hip is well enough that he has been operating a bulldozer. Unfortunately, a pin has slipped almost to a joint. His surgeon said he might need a hip replacement within ten years. The time may be much faster. They are doing watchful waiting now.

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By: James on September 19, 2011
at 7:08 AM
alaskapi –
Thanks. I violated my own troll rule, didn’t I?

On to important stuff: Love the video; I’m a real Kottke fan.

Probably my favorite music video on the whole Web is this one:

Tony Rice is from Danville, not too far from me. This lineup reads like the King’s Court of Bluegrass. Sam Bush – Mandolin, Bela Fleck – Banjo, Jerry Douglas – without doubt the finest Dobro player on the planet, Mark O’Connor – fiddle, Mark Schatz – bass. I love where Rice pretends to miss a note and then picks it back up in between notes. Watch him goon Bela about half way through! Showmen to the max, all!

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By: pfesser53 on September 19, 2011
at 4:43 AM
that probably wasn’t polite(or PC)…..how about OFFB(organic fertilizer for brains)

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By: uawtradesman on September 18, 2011
at 9:18 PM
I report….
so they didn’t speak English…….there was a time when the non English speakers were German,Hungarian or Polish …….my grandparents worked the fields along with my dad and aunts and uncles….and when I hit 6 I was out there also…..so whooptie frigging do……there are people out there that have done things that I’ve done and you haven’t got a frigging clue about….do you even know what a hoe handle is???????SFB(shit for brains)

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By: uawtradesman on September 18, 2011
at 9:15 PM
Pfesser- deep breath . neighbor 🙂

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By: alaskapi on September 18, 2011
at 7:49 PM
“And you don’t know your books of the Bible. Did I say Proverbs, as in plural? You’re the same man I’ve seen use Revelations, not noting it is the Book of the Revelation (singular).”

Really? Where?

More straw man, Straw Man?

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By: pfesser53 on September 18, 2011
at 6:46 PM
I report, as you know,

farmers and ranchers rough it. We get along fine with things urban people would not accept. If the accomodations are too spartan people won’t work for that rancher. A decade or so ago, the EPA wanted farmers to provide protable rest rooms for detastlers and other people doing hand labor in fields. Now, they are proposing noise and dust limits. Other rules would restrict the jobs children could do. Today’s Omaha World Herald has an article about excessive agricultural regulation and efforts in Iowa to streamline its regulations.

I first used Roundup in 1996. In 1973, a sprayer pipe broke and I was drenched to the skin with 24D. I was at a remote location, repaired the hose, and sprayed until the machine was empty. I did not get to shower and change my clothes until six hours later. My wife and I are part of a longitudinal study, and so far, we are fine. So are our children.

My wife and I always used gloves and face masks. My father used his bare hands. He died at age 95.

My main concern about Roundup is that over time, genetic evolution makes weeds immune to the spray.

The American Jobs Act in its present form will be no more able to preserve permanent teaching jobs than the stimulus was. Some schools used stimulus money to improve buildings or to buy computers, but salaries for teachers were based on redistributed, not new wealth. When the money ran out, they were laid off.
The climate extremes you mentioned are here courtesy of La Nina and a climate cycle which is taking us back to the thirties dust bowl. La Nina is back, so the drought will continue in the South for months longer, and depending on how long the Pacific equatorial areas remain cool, into next summer. It sucks to be a Texan now.

If another blocking high forms over Greenland as it did last year, last winter will repeat itself.

Gov. Perry might as well pray to Thor to get extended rain on Texas. It is just a normal part of a long term cycle. It could be worse. About 5,000 years ago, it was so dry buffalo and Indians left the Plains. Around a thousand years ago, the Nebraska Sand Hills were free moving sand dunes.Two paleontologists who studied the past ten thousand years of climate in the Oklahoma panhandle said that for the southern plains “this is about as good as it gets.”

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By: James on September 18, 2011
at 6:30 PM
700 BILLION per year when we do away with the GW Bush tax cuts.

That amount will certainly pay for the AMERICAN JOBS BILL and have money left over as a down payment on the deficit!!!

Take the taxes back to the Ronald Reagan years! Reagan is our hero. That was a great time, let us go back to the tax rate Reagan felt was fair. It is not about Politics, it is about JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 6:15 PM
I Report, you are a true Liberal. You will twist and flat out lie to further your sick and pathetic cause. I think in your case you are using others arguments and are yourself mostly ignorant of what is really going on, thus why you never discuss anything with anyone. The jobs bill is a reelection bill. If jobs were so important why did he wait till year 3 to make this bill? I doubt you have an answer but there we are.

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By: Anonymous on September 18, 2011
at 5:47 PM
Pat Robertson said dumping a long term wife who is sick is OK.

Here is a commentary on the topic which goes over the comment and resulting controversy quite well!!

http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/david-shuster-on-pat-robertsons-comments-about-alzheimers-and-marriage

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 5:41 PM
As for Republicans opposed to the payroll tax break extension, Obama said during his address to Congress Sept. 8 that Republicans should not break their no-tax-hike pledge when middle-class earnings are on the line.
“I know that some of you have sworn oaths to never raise any taxes on anyone for as long as you live. Now is not the time to carve out an exception and raise middle-class taxes,” the president said.
Former President Bill Clinton, speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” said now is the time for an agreement, not a stalemate.
“According to all this economic analysis, it will create between 1.5, 2 percent increase in GDP growth. It will put a million or two million people to work, and we’ll be on the way back,” Clinton said Sunday. “We need some signal out of Washington that they understand that cooperation is good economics, even if conflict is good politics.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/18/gop-frustration-grows-with-obama-approach-to-jobs-deficit/#ixzz1YLeOvIqP

Pass the JOBS BILL and pay for it with taking taxes back to where they were under Ronald Reagan, our hero.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 5:08 PM
You don’t know your own holy book. The quote is: Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. – King James Bible, Proverbs 16:18

And you don’t know your books of the Bible. Did I say Proverbs, as in plural? You’re the same man I’ve seen use Revelations, not noting it is the Book of the Revelation (singular).

My universal “proverb” ‘pride goeth before a fall’ is adapted from the biblical Book of Proverbs. I wasn’t quoting the Bible directly. – just adopting its utmost wisdom – something you woefully lack about theology.

You should read more closely and leave theology to one who doesn’t need to Google his answer. You can start your learning with Genesis 1:26-28, which you most certainly don’t understand, and neither do those genius Alaskan bloggers whose altar you worship.

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By: Dave James on September 18, 2011
at 1:24 PM
I Report, you are either a freaking idiot, or you swallowed the Liberal lies better than Debbie did in Dallas. This budget is dependent upon future congresses including it in their bill to pay for it. As they are under no obligation to pay for previous years budget agreements, they can and will put off paying for it. Time to wake up kid.

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By: Anonymous on September 18, 2011
at 12:14 PM
REAGAN LOVERS: Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times – remember that.
Bill Clinton raised taxes by 1 vote and we ended up with a surplus!!! Newt is now saying that he was part of balancing the Clinton Budget. (It was the tax increase that created the surplus!)

It is not a lie! Raising taxes to where they were under Reagan, our hero, will fully pay for the AMERICAN JOBS ACT!!!!

No lie!!!! Truth hurts for those who want to distort and lie though!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 11:42 AM
I Report, that is a lie..this would not be paid for, and you dam well know it.

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By: Anonymous on September 18, 2011
at 11:23 AM
The American Jobs Act would modernize our outdated schools – THAT IS A GOOD THING AND OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS DESERVE TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THIS DAY AND AGE! I might add that contracts are coming in less than anticipated – building and remodels are cheap compared to 6 years ago.

IT WOULD BE PAID FOR TOO!!!!!! This cost would not be put on credit cards, unlike the GW Bush budgeting for wars and such.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/president-obamas-american-jobs-act-will.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 11:17 AM
ObamaCare is working in bringing down some costs of medical care for our elderly!! Studies are now coming in. DON’T TELL THE REPUBLICANS – It would cause their heads to explode!! Our little secret!

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/obamacare-is-working-shh-dont-tell.html

the Department of Health and Human Services announced on Thursday that premiums for the plans are down and enrollment is up, well above the official projections. As the Kaiser Family Foundation has reported, this is actually the second year in a row premiums have declined. (According to HHS, premiums in 2012 will be 11.5 percent below what they were in 2010.) Meanwhile, all Medicare beneficiaries can now get preventative care without co-payments. And their exposure to prescription drug bills have declined, because the new health law is closing the infamous “donut hole” in coverage.

So, in short, Medicare Advantage plans are becoming cheaper, slightly more people are enrolling in them, and everybody on Medicare — even seniors in the traditional government-run program — has better coverage than they did before.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 10:39 AM
Great Idea!! Sherrod Brown, Dem, is pushing a bill that Congressmen should not be allowed to retire at 55 with full benefits and health insurance.

He says Congressmen should retire at the same age that the people can get Social Security. It is only fair after all. They would then have to live by the same rules us regular folk must live by. When they do retire, they get a shitload of money though and great health care.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sen-sherrod-brown-congress-should-hav

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 10:26 AM
A good rundown of the past weeks events by Chris Hayes. Good

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/chris-hayes-gives-viewers-reason-tune-msnb

UAW: The sheepherder I saw was at 8,000 feet. 20 miles from any ranch or house. He had to move the sheep every week to a new spot. The Rancher would bring a truck up to move the house on wheels. The sheepherder spoke no English by the way. Bunkhouses would be very expensive. The sheepherders house had 2 or 3 windows.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 10:18 AM
whatever happened to bunkhouses??????

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By: uawtradesman on September 18, 2011
at 9:54 AM
Mageen So this is all just BS and purposeful on the part of business?

During the time period your cited, did we have debt anywhere near what we have now? To be fair was our debt to GDP ratio even close to what it is now? Did we get our credit rating lowered or was it bad enough that people even talked about it? Was unemployment, real unemployment 15-25%, 50% in some inner cities? Was it common to see in the news companies laying off 10’s of thousands of workers? Did we have Democrats telling us at our time of economic need, that debt caps are unnecessary and only hurt our economy? Do you have any idea what message of irresponsibility that sends to business? When you have an administration that believes this way in the face of overwhelming evidence that we are on the wrong course and they advocate continuing down this same path at a even greater pace, you think business is acting in an insincere way? How much more needs to go wrong before you wake up?

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By: Anonymous on September 18, 2011
at 9:33 AM
HOW DANGEROUS IS ROUNDUP? Birth defects??? Sounds like it.

Why have we not had more studies done on this seeming cancer causing pesticide? The fox is in charge of the hen house on this one! Another de-regulation story which ends up harming real people. Current studies say we need follow up studies but Monsanto is able to stop all follow up studies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/24/roundup-scientists-birth-defects_n_883578.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 9:26 AM
HOW THE ECONOMY TANKED!!! A must see FRONTLINE!!

Greenspan, Rubin, Summers and Geitner The historical basis which allowed the economy to soar but eventually almost sank the world economy.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

Sheepherders: I spent 4 weeks around sheepherders this summer in a remote area and the sheepherders I saw had a private room (on wheels) a horse and 3 or 4 dogs. – That was the case 3 years ago as well. That is the least of what the sheepherders deserve.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 8:42 AM
You also know fears don’t have to based on reality. All that matters is what people think.

A business show is on the radio now. They said thanks to EPA rules, a Texas power company says it cannot do what they ask. They are closing a power plant, and laying off over a thousand workers. The hosts said they know of Nebraska business which have shut down because regulations are too onerous.

A new rule dictates that sheep herders must have private rooms if they are not with families, have a specified amount of light in their rooms, etc.

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By: James on September 18, 2011
at 8:30 AM
Mageen, a reporter asked Katy Perry when she sang in Omaha on Friday night, why she works so hard. Her reply was “A hundred girls want to be where I am. I know, because I was one of them.” Any business, no matter how successful must feel insecure even as it expands and hires new people. Competitors are waiting to take it all away.

You are intelligent and educated. You know how complex the economic world is as some businesses thrive and others wither no matter what the circumstances.

Most big businesses have the resources to survive and use adverse conditions to their advantage.But they fail too. For small and middling companies, the present insecurity is not “jive.” It is as real as clouds in the sky.

I don’t know about people on the mountaintop, but down here on the slopes fear of the future is real, and growing. The flood may be substituting here for others'(in other regions) fears of customer and governmental unperdictablity, but it is real.

Over paid CEOs is a different issue from customer choices and government activities.

I agree about the “pitchforks and such.” Time will tell who the folks attack. Al Gore’s global warming telethon collected critics from his own allies. More of Obama’s allies in the press are muttering uncomplimentary things. Obama could still win a second term, but after about 2014, I think the pitchforks will be flying against Republicans, Democrats, big business, another group, or all of the above.

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By: James on September 18, 2011
at 8:16 AM
Mageen – good thoughts.

Here is an article along those lines. Great reading.

http://takemycountryback.com/real-threat-economyshhhhh/

Think about it. When the S&P downgraded America’s rating all they did was shoot themselves in the foot. They basically went against what they believe is America’s ability to pay it’s debts. During the Bush years the deficit went to record levels with much of that spending not even paid for. Where was the S&P then? Or right, they were giving AAA ratings to bogus mortgage-backed securities, ratings that would eventually cause the epic financial crises that we are living with now.
If you stop to think about it, this whole financial crises is making politicians out to be like children fighting over a ball, while the S&P and J.P Morgan come away looking like the only adults in the room. But the truth is far different. This downgrade is nothing more than a way to move he ball away from those truly responsible for our economic woes while threatening a sitting President to play nice or else.
Of course there is no way to prove any of this. At least not yet.
Bottom line is this…Anyone who seriously thinks America is going to run out of money or is broke is just a moron who is drinking the cool-aid the pundits, politicians and the super rich market speculators need you to believe. It causes panic. It causes people to sell their stocks in droves. It causes share prices of strong companies with solid financials to offer bargain basement offerings.
At the end of the day it is always about the buck. Always! So when J. P. Morgan Chase, one of Obama’s major contributors, says they have no confidence in the politicians, it sounds like nothing more than a threat to a President who has been threatening financial reforms and raising taxes on the wealthy.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 18, 2011
at 8:05 AM
Had an econ professor in grad school who was a member of the President’s Council of Economic Advisors (Reagan, Laffer Curve, etc.). The “insecurity” of business owners was omnipresent even then but they hired people, produced products that people may or may not have needed, and they kept their doors open. This insecurity jive is just that. IMHO, one should really just dig deeper for the petrification in the business world, and incidentally, not every business has stopped hiring. GM and Chrysler have brought people back to the assembly line. Ford didn’t have to depend on a bailout. They had their own bank, the Ford Foundation, and kept rolling along. Also, the $$ difference between the guy at the top of the business and the next highest paid worker and the lowest paid worker did not have the planetary vastness that is now displayed. Could it be that the people at the very peak are worried about the reality of their nightmare that the folks farther down the ladder are gathering pitch forks and such?

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 18, 2011
at 7:14 AM
Probably the best articulation of the Isralie/Palestinian conflict I have read to date.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=238142

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By: Anonymous on September 18, 2011
at 7:10 AM
For all the people out there who support the Palestinian story (especially if you consider yourself to be a liberal), doesn’t this seem like racism? Any liberal who supports Israel better vote AGAINST Obama in 2012

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By: Anonymous on September 18, 2011
at 7:02 AM
ops forgot link for 4:46

http://cnsnews.com/video/washington/moran-imposing-legal-limit-govt-debt-danger-country

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 4:56 PM
Ok, just in case anyone on the planet had any doubts left as to Liberals and their inability to learn life’s lessons, lets put it to rest with this little video. ******************Un-freaking-believable****************************

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 4:46 PM
What a week. Jobless claims rose again to 428,000. The poverty rate is now up to 15.1%, and the response from the left is “let’s keep doing what we’ve been doing for the last 2 1/2 years.” If Republicans acted this way, liberals would be accusing us of not caring about the poor.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/bob-dutko/if-conservatives-acted-liberals-wed-claim-liberals-hate-poor

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 4:37 PM
Look who our President allies himself with.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pro-hamas-turkey-and-us-will-co-chair-obama-backed-counter-terror-forum-israel-not

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 4:34 PM
Can you believe this? Beyond words what this administration stands for.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pakistan-passes-obamas-religious-freedom-test-after-sentencing-christian-death

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 4:32 PM
THE RICH, A CRASHED ECONOMY and Social Security – THE TRUTH!

http://front.moveon.org/what-do-you-have-that-the-top-one-percent-wants/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 17, 2011
at 2:53 PM
2300 JOBS LOST IN WISCONSIN in a single month!! Great job Scott Walker and Wisconsin JOB CREATORS who took the tax breaks and ran away with it. Your tax cuts and stripping workers rights has been a dismal failure!!

http://www.politicususa.com/en/scott-walker-wisconsin-2300-jobs-lost

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 17, 2011
at 2:38 PM
On a lighter note I found this to be hilarious.

3 surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients to operate on. The 1st surgeon said, “Electricians are the best, everything inside is color coded.” The 2nd surgeon says, “No, I think librarians are, everything inside them is in alphabetical order” The 3rd surgeon shut them up when he said:”You’re all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There’s no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains, and no spine. Plus, the head and the ass are interchangeable…

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 11:42 AM
The link to the Dick Trump liking Jim Perry statement. Trump likes the Republican candidates but he may run for Pres as an independent. (Trump thinks some of the Republican Candidates are crazy actually. Don’t tell anybody though. Our little secret.)
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/donald-trump-i-had-dinner-jim-perry

The link to the Juanita Jean blog.. Juanita Jean reminds me of Helen

http://juanitajean.com/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 17, 2011
at 11:39 AM
This article makes me wonder which side Obama is on. IMO it does not appear to be ours.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46202

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 11:37 AM
Trump likes Jim Perry!

Personally, I Thought His Brother Gaylord Was a Better Pitcher
September 17, 2011

In a not-so-memorable event, Dick Trump had lunch with Rick Perry.

Mr. Trump announced afterward —

“Well I had dinner last night with Jim Perry, I was impressed with him,” he said in a video posted on The Street.

But apparently not toooooo impressed.

Yeah, he has that forgettable affect on me, too. Mr. Perry, not Mr. Trump. Oh wait, pretty much both of them.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 17, 2011
at 11:30 AM
More great man of the people stuff here. Conflict of interest much Mr. President?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46227

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 11:13 AM
The writing is on the wall. People are wising up to the Liberal lie. Congrats to Bob Turner who won New York’s 9th District. This has not been done since 1922.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46235

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 11:06 AM
Great move by the Republicans to stop Democrats from obstructing job growth.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46230

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 11:03 AM
Let us start this conversation by defining the conservative opposition. Here are some great Liberals in action, and lets use their own words to define them.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46250

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 10:50 AM
All Republican candidates should be required to see this video and then answer the question, “Should people like Steve be forced to die? as their only option?” ‘LET THEM DIE!” What that really means.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/what-it-means-say-let-them-die

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 17, 2011
at 10:40 AM
Has Gov Perry prayed away: the fires in Texas yet? or Climate Change? (The Artic Ice is setting records for thinning out) or Poverty? or all of those people in Texas with no health insurance? or flooding in middle America? or extreme weather conditions which are everywhere? record high and low temperatures? …

Keep praying Republicans!!

Amen

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 17, 2011
at 10:13 AM
thought so.

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 10:07 AM
Michelle Bachmann – Anti vaccine crusader, very good!
Great Presidential material – for comedians

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/michele-bachmann-anti-vaccine-crusader

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 17, 2011
at 9:59 AM
take out one of those are’s

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 9:38 AM
I Report if you are here just to run your mouth, I will go ahead and let you do that. If are you are here to say Liberals have it all over conservatives, and actually will stand up for that, I would love to debunk your lies one by one. I’m tossing down the gauntlet, your call if you want to pick it up.

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 9:37 AM
The GOP Presidential Candidates are extreme.

http://personal-political.blogspot.com/2011/09/gosh-why-dont-people-like-those.html

So when my conservative friends voice their dissatisfaction, I have a couple of questions: First, How are the current horrible Republican candidates any different from the mainstream Republican Party? Elected Republicans these days are unrecognizably extreme right-wingers from the presidential aspirants to newly elected congressional “tea partiers” to incredibly unpopular governors to state legislators attacking women’s health, voting rights, and trying to ban imaginary Sharia law. Ronald Reagan would be called a liberal by today’s Republican Party, Dwight Eisenhower would be called a socialist, and Lincoln … well, Lincoln would be a Democrat. So would Eisenhower. And Reagan might even be a Blue-Dog.

I tell my conservative friends that the Republican presidential candidates aren’t the worst of what their party has to offer. No, these candidates are the perfect statistical average of the over-the-cliff irrationality, greed, denial, and dysfunction of the Grand Old Party. And Palin, Ryan, Christie, and anyone else who might get into the race is no different–just more of the same Republican mainstream extremism in a slightly different package.

My second question is one that makes them very uncomfortable: If you don’t like the Republican candidates for president, and these candidates represent the mainstream of the Republican Party, then why are you a Republican? I get a lot of blank stares in response.

I tell my conservative friends that there’s only one presidential candidate out there right now who has proven to be reasonable, pragmatic, compassionate, tolerant, ethical, and connected with reality. That’s the guy running for re-election.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 17, 2011
at 9:25 AM
re: Reno air race. It was the Unlimited Class race, not a show. They run these airplanes full-bore. Leeward’s plane was a P-51 Mustang, the premier fighter of WWII.

It would appear that Leeward’s plane had a mechanical malfunction and he purposely pulled straight up in an attempt to crash the plane away from the stands. RIP to him and the others.

As for the WWII fighters, many people are concerned about the loss of these irreplaceable airplanes due to their being used for air racing. I have heard that Jay Leno is trying to buy as many of the Rolls-Royce Merlin engines used in the ’51D as possible in order to keep them from being destroyed. The racers wring every last horsepower out of those seventy year-old magnificent engines and destroy them continuously.

I am very surprised that the racecourse includes sections directed at the crowd; airshow regulations prohibit any aerobatics over the crowd. Of course if you fly a circle I guess you have to eventually point in every direction, huh?

Condolences to all the injured and the families of the dead.

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By: pfesser53 on September 17, 2011
at 6:57 AM
We were in a restaurant when we saw a tape of the Reno crash on TV. What a terrible tragedy.

A job creator is anyone who needs extra help. People hire others when more customers than the business can service buy the product.Today, many employers are worried about the future, so they do all they can to squeeze more production from their employees without spending any more than they have to.

For this reason, Obama’s suggested tax break for hiring new workers is a sham. No one will hire a new person for a one time $4,000.00 or so tax break when the conditions persuading the company not to hire still exist. Moreover, human greed being what it is, companies able to hire will wait until they can claim a tax credit for what they were going to do anyway.

Of course, we need regulations and safe guards, but our economy is becoming over regulated. That adds extra cost to each employee and is an incentive for businesses not to hire new workers.

If a business can make money overseas, it will hire workers there. Obama cited a ‘green” company for its success but neglected to mention half of its employees work in Mexico.

I report, another group as dangerous as bankers is politicians. The proof is all around us.

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By: James on September 17, 2011
at 6:54 AM
delurkergurl –
“The data doesn’t suggest that people aren’t hiring because of the prohibitive cost of the new hire. They’re not hiring because they are waiting for the sky to fall, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy.”

I think you are wrong there. Steve Wynn, one of the most successful entrepreneurs on the planet, says that the economy is dead in the water because investors are sitting on the sidelines because they don’t know what Washington is going to do next. I can tell you from my own POV that in my current contract negotiations I am holding back on investing in a new associate because I don’t know what my tax situation is going to be next year. That means one fewer doctor in my hospital and my having to cut back on the services I offer to patients because of it. Compared to Steve Wynn I am a gnat; at one time he had over 100,000 employees.

I think he is right on the money.

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By: pfesser53 on September 17, 2011
at 6:43 AM
“You’re letting that extreme haughtiness of yours get in the way. Remember the proverb, pride goeth before a fall.

You don’t know your own holy book. The quote is: Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. – King James Bible, Proverbs 16:18

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By: pfesser53 on September 17, 2011
at 6:23 AM
anon…
the answer is that the Dems were taking money from the same people that the Repubs were……out with the old; in with the new……go Tea Party…..

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By: uawtradesman on September 17, 2011
at 5:17 AM
bankers and their lawyers…..

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By: uawtradesman on September 17, 2011
at 5:12 AM
I Report, where was this jobs bill, and your rage for that matter, when Dems had complete control and a super majority in congress? Jobs were as big a problem then. Where have the Dems been on a JOBS, JOBS, JOBS bill? Why wait till the 3rd year. Why let people suffer for 3 years before offering up a jobs jobs jobs bill?

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By: Anonymous on September 17, 2011
at 5:08 AM
UBS and Oh Crap! We Just Lost Two Billion Dollars.
September 16, 2011

For the past couple of days, Juanita Jean and staff and patrons of The World’s Most Dangerous Beauty Salon, Inc., have been trying to understand how a bank can have a “rogue trader” lose $2 billion (that’s a B) of their money.

Juanita banks at First Texas Guaranteed Alamo Savings Bank and Trust and can give sworn testimony that they sit in the vault every night counting every damn penny of her money. They are terrified of losing Juanita’s money because she knows 17 ways to open a bank president’s office door lock with a hair pin and a can of WD40. There’s no hiding from her.

However, Juanita’s bank does not employ former Texas Senator and Stone Cold Crook Phil Gramm. UBS does.

Phil Gramm: already in the handbasket
As we’ve discussed in the past, Phil Gramm helps rich Americans hide their money in the cold Swiss vaults of UBS so they don’t have to pay taxes. Juanita is pretty sure Gramm is going to hell for that.

So when the story first broke that UBS had lost $2 billion dollars, which – maybe coincidentally, but I doubt it – matches exactly this $2 billion —

The loss would effectively cancel out $2 billion the bank had hoped to save from a cost-cutting program announced last month in which 3,500 jobs would be axed.

So one month you fire 3,500 people to save $2 billion and the next month you lose $2 billion to a rogue trader. What? You didn’t want to travel all the way to Vegas to lose the money you made off taking people’s jobs?

What we couldn’t understand, though, was that “UBS said none of its clients’ money was affected by the rogue trades.” What? They have $2 billion that doesn’t belong to their clients? Was it sitting around in candy dishes or something? I know Phil Gramm ain’t taking a dime out of his pocket to make up for it.

So, today, Matt Taibbi finally explained it in a way even non-bankers can understand. And he ain’t buying the story either.

The news that a “rogue trader” … has soaked the Swiss banking giant UBS for $2 billion has rocked the international financial community and threatened to drive a stake through any chance Europe had of averting economic disaster. There is much hand-wringing in the financial press today as the UBS incident has reminded the whole world that all of the banks were almost certainly lying their asses off over the last three years, when they all pledged to pull back from risky prop trading.

Go on over and read Taibbi’s article if you’re interested in watching Europe collapse.

My interest is in Phil Gramm’s role. Did I tell you that I think he’s going to hell? I’m pretty sure of it. You remember Phil – he’s the guy who had to step down as John McCain’s adviser after calling us a ‘nation of whiners.”

Now, of course, Juanita has a plan. She is a solution oriented woman. Here’s her plan: We empty the prisons of non-violent drug offenders, because prison ain’t helping them and they’re not hurting us. That opens up enough cells to replace them with bankers, because – and I’m sure you’ll agree with this – bankers are far more dangerous.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 16, 2011
at 9:03 PM
700 Billion in tax breaks to the wealthiest and what do we get?
Jobs sent overseas.

JOB CREATORS ARE A JOKE!!! Pass the jobs bill!!

Where have the Republicans been on a JOBS, JOBS, JOBS bill? They have worked hard on anti abortion and complaining about regulations of NUCLEAR, OIL, and BANKING after the GULF OIL SPILL, which was caused by deregulation, the melt down of a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT IN JAPAN and the WORLD ECONOMY GOING TO HELL BECAUSE OF DEREGULATION – led by GW Bush.

I might also mention that two unpaid illegal wars at the same time of the 700 BILLION TAX CUT TO THE FAT AND WEALTHY created a massive deficit which we now face!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 16, 2011
at 8:59 PM
I Report, one day, when you move out of your mom’s basement, and stop living off the government nipple, you might begin to understand who the job creators are. As it stands Obama has such a cloud of uncertainty over the economy and what stunt he might pull next that business has circled the wagons and are saving what money they have to ride out the storm.

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By: Anonymous on September 16, 2011
at 8:37 PM
Sorry to hear of the crash at the Reno air show.

What the Hell is a “Job Creator” and Why Isn’t it Doing its Job?
September 16, 2011 By: Juanita Jean Category: Uncategorized

Juanita says she has no idea why we let Republicans get away with calling rich people “Job Creators.”

We understand that “Job Creator” sounds a tad better than “Greedy Rich Old White Guy Who Doesn’t Want To Pay His Fair Share of Taxes and Probably Has More Money Than The Robber Baron’s Ball Hidden Offshore.” We get that part.

But, why did we let them get away with that? Why didn’t we burst out in laughter the minute they said it and ask, “Why the hell aren’t the job creators creating jobs?”

Oh yeah, I know the Republicans will say, “Well, they can’t create jobs until you take away all those horrible regulations,” which is to say: let them have an unsafe workplace and knowingly produce defective and dangerous products without any liability.

What we need is a stinkin’ translator.

Job Creators are not Job Creators until they create some damn jobs. Before then, they’re just fat lazy people.

Why didn’t we jump out front of this and call it the “Give Paris Hilton A Tax Break.”

It’s like when we let them start calling social security “an entitlement.” Heck, even Democrats call it that now. Social Security is not an entitlement, it is “earnings from a lifetime of investments.” I cringe every time I hear a Democrat call it an entitlement. Stop it!

Job creators, my patootie. I cannot believe we let them say that.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 16, 2011
at 7:00 PM
More awful news. Mass casualties at an air show near Reno, where a plane crashed into the stands. To compound the awfulness, the “jumped the shark” Huffington Post has the video. Sure do hate the media these days…………. opportunistic f…reaks. I pray God’s comfort covers the families who have lost loved ones, and healing for the injured.

Wishing you a health and happiness this weekend. It’s football season at my house and I’ve got the fever of it… good season for my son so far. Safe & successful! Last year was more character-building than we care for!

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By: delurkergurl on September 16, 2011
at 6:47 PM
Delurker….probably not but if you want the name then live up to it…..job creators should create jobs…..the hedge fund thing got me……the top 25 hedge fund managers made 22 billion $’s…..

http://www.alternet.org/story/151479/if_the_top_25_hedge_fund_managers_paid_taxes_like_you_and_me,_we%27d_cut_44_billion_of_the_national_deficit_/?page=entire

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2010/06/09/Hedge-Fund-Managers-Face-Higher-Tax-Rate.aspx#page1

were right back to I want to pay $5,000,000/yr in taxes….let them take half….a lot more than I’ve got now

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By: uawtradesman on September 16, 2011
at 6:44 PM
I’m pretty sure you’ve never agreed with me before, UAW. 🙂

Uh oh – Davis-Monthan Air Force Base on lockdown after shots fired.

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By: delurkergurl on September 16, 2011
at 2:24 PM
oops….I forgot the ” ” around the last part….

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By: uawtradesman on September 16, 2011
at 11:52 AM
thanks Delurker….
interesting reading….and I agree with a lot of it…..

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/gop-jobs-blockade-president-obama-calls.html

the president’s proposal is merely to shift the tax breaks – it would change it so that these so-called ‘job creators’ wouldn’t be able to get the breaks just for the privilege of being called that. They would actually have to create jobs to get the credits!

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By: uawtradesman on September 16, 2011
at 11:47 AM
As the other shoe continues to drop on this administration I am not completely surprised that this blog has gone almost silent.

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By: Anonymous on September 16, 2011
at 11:20 AM
That’s why all the pieces need to fit together, James. That particular blog piece addresses the tax breaks for “job creators” that haven’t been creating jobs. It just points out a hole in the meme, you know? The tax credit isn’t intended to cover the cost of the new hire. It’s just incentive. If it covered the whole cost of onboarding the new hire, businesses might be inclined to hire more than their business can support. That would just be a bubble of a different kind.

The data doesn’t suggest that people aren’t hiring because of the prohibitive cost of the new hire. They’re not hiring because they are waiting for the sky to fall, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I agree that demand is the point. Increasing demand is going to in turn increase jobs. But without some job creation, the demand can’t even begin to recover. Demand isn’t going to increase by firing teachers, police, fire fighters, construction workers, doctors, aid workers, prison guards, food inspectors, customs agents, licensing agencies, social workers and soldiers.

Demand didn’t increase by renewing the temporary Bush tax cuts, either. However, the unemployment extensions that were used to extort the renewal of those expiring cuts did protect a sliver of demand, as unemployed people have no choice to spend every cent just to live. That’s not demand growth, though. So here we are.

It all screams balance to me.

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By: delurkergurl on September 16, 2011
at 11:13 AM
Delurkergurl, hiring a new employee is expensive and the external cost doesn’t include the expense of training and integrating the new worker.

A tax break for a new hire sounds great in theory. What would an employer get–$4,000.00? I heard once, but I don’t remember. If we assume a business isn’t hiring because it doesn’t have enough customers or it is afraid of the future, why would a one time tax break change anything? The tax write off would be nice, but if the income didn’t change, why would a business hire a worker for a one time rebate ?

What about another company fortunate enough to earn enough money to expand their work force. Wouldn’t it wait until the tax break took effect so it could get extra money for something it planned to do anyway?

Maybe I’m missing something. Could you or someone else explain what it is?

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By: James on September 16, 2011
at 10:08 AM
Pfesser,

Guess I hit a little too close to the heart that one evening when you decided to go for the jugular, hey “Dr.”? You’re letting that extreme haughtiness of yours get in the way. Remember the proverb, pride goeth before a fall. 🙂

This Dominionist crap you spout is such a farce, and those idiot’s altar in Alaska you worship so lost, I will now take the liberty to correct you and your mentors every step of the way – without guilt. You’re clearly delusional and paranoid, and something traumatized you earlier in life. Doesn’t take a Sigmund Freud to see that clearly.

I and nobody else believes a word of it. I have my own opinion.

Not a surprise, as I now understand when I stripped away the varnish, you’re as rotted as the Chatter Kitchen crowd, and maybe more importantly, about as miserable. Kind of an nihilistic “match made in heaven.”

Enjoy the camaraderie…

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By: Dave James on September 16, 2011
at 9:17 AM
Funding the American Jobs Act: Tax Breaks for “Job Creators” but Only if They Actually Create Jobs! (What a concept!)

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/gop-jobs-blockade-president-obama-calls.html

Fantastic blog, people – especially the posts by Deaniac.

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By: delurkergurl on September 16, 2011
at 9:15 AM
I’m glad you enjoyed my Katy Perry comments Poolman.Her family is so conservative she had never heard pop music until she was at a sleep over at age 16. Her first secular hit was “I kissed a Girl.” As you know Katy showed a lot of skin. Her parents were outraged.

She took a vow of chastity and later said she regretted it. She told Russel Brand if they married they would have no sex before the honeymoon, he would stop his heavy drinking and partying.

He is a practicing Bhudist.

Katy told told the World Herald she worked very hard to get where she is and she knows it won’t last. “There are a hundred girls working to be where I am. I know because I was one of them.” She seems almost desperate to stay ahead of her pursuers.

I didn’t know before I read the article that Katy has written songs for other singers, she was one of the Smurfs in the movie, and she appeared on “How I Met Your Mother.”She is already preparing for the next stage of her career.

I agree its hard to be a celebrity and keep your beliefs. Amy Grant and Sons of Leon also struggled and rebelled.The female member of the Dandy Warhols grew up on a farm and also abandoned her conservative values. She partied hard until she married one of the band members and had a child. She then regarded herself as a sacred vessel for her baby and couldn’t imagine living her previous life.

Now, her husband baby sits while she parties with the rest of the band only once a week.

I think such people could play the role of television televangelists of the eighties to further the influence of a Domionionist movement.

I attended a conservative church related college. No drinking, smoking or dancing were allowed. Daily chapel was required, and we had to take religion classes. A professor we called “Holy Harold ” taught the earth was 6,000 years old.

I made so much noise college officials and my parents had a conference with me.

Some of the most rebellious were “preachers kids.”

I learned for a religious or other movement to “take,” beliefs must be organic and internalized. External compulsion and reenforcement fail in the long run. The same applies to movements like the Tea Party and Obama true believers.

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By: James on September 16, 2011
at 8:04 AM
“The second issue as I see it is whether discussions should take place without personal attacks on those with opposing positions. I can give you examples of name-calling, personal references to low intelligence, stupidity, credulity (There’s irony for ya!) if you like. That is *personal* IMHO. It has no place here or anywhere else civilized people are trying to have a discussion.”

Now if we can get the other 85% of the posters to follow suit we would really have something here.

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By: Anonymous on September 16, 2011
at 6:31 AM
…should be “I and nobody else believe a word,” not “believes”

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By: pfesser53 on September 16, 2011
at 5:02 AM
Tex, Dave, Jim Parker-Bill, all the other aliases:

I just finished a twelve-day work stretch and haven’t kept up with the comments.

re: (1) Using God’s name as pejorative; (2) Leave discussions and the mocking rhetoric here.

Since (1) never happened, that’s not an issue.

As for (2), I think we are talking past each other. I believe there are two issues and they are not related:

One is the issue of mixing church and state, to which I am violently opposed, for reasons that are intuitively obvious to the casual observer or the most amateur student of world history. That is an *issue* and as such is fair game for discussion. Part of that discussion is whether it is wise to install people in positions of power who openly claim to make their official decisions after consulting an invisible being. That is a fair and legitimate topic IMHO.

The second issue as I see it is whether discussions should take place without personal attacks on those with opposing positions. I can give you examples of name-calling, personal references to low intelligence, stupidity, credulity (There’s irony for ya!) if you like. That is *personal* IMHO. It has no place here or anywhere else civilized people are trying to have a discussion.

Having said that, I will be the first to admit that I have lost my temper a couple of times over the personal stuff and have given it right back, but that is NOT how you do business. It poisons the conversation – and the blog. It is disrespectful and inappropriate; in blogs that were more carefully moderated, someone who does that habitually would be banned permanently – no matter what new ID he assumed; the fact that you have been banned multiple times on a blog where flaring tempers are de rigueur should tell you something. I’ll leave it to you to figure it out. Frankly, I am puzzled by the attraction to this blog, and you can spare everyone the nonsense about “setting the Dimocrats straight;” I and nobody else believes a word of it. I have my own opinion.

So to answer your question: (1) never happened, so not a problem. (2) No.

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By: pfesser53 on September 16, 2011
at 4:53 AM
Poolman, that man sounds a little like Katy Perry. She is currently rebelling against her restrictive upbringing, and at age 26, her Christianity is still evolving.

This made me chuckle, James. I haven’t listened to Katy Perry. The last thing I remember from her was the banned Sesame Street performance. It was determined too risque with the dress she was in while prancing and bouncing around. It was rather stimulating. It got the attention of an older audience that flocked to check out S Street.

You said “her Christianity is still evolving.” That just sounded funny, too. I know what you mean, as we grow in wisdom and knowledge our perceptions and actions change. The Christian faith, if anything, has devolved into many sects and cults. The original message hasn’t changed, the way we choose to interpret and operate in it has.

I think it is very hard to be a celebrity and maintain a strict faith. We are taxed to be humble, and many times that is difficult with all the attention and earthly praise given to our “idols”. The money part makes it more difficult, also.

AFA Dominionism and Katy Perry, I don’t know where she would fit in. We are not told to strive for any worldly power. That does run counter to the tenets of the Dominionists who believe we are to take these kingdoms for God. They are living the Genesis command and ignoring the accomplishment of Christ.

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By: poolman on September 15, 2011
at 8:44 PM
Robert Reich talks about 6 lies and distortions of the GOP regarding the economy and taxes. Quite good!

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/robert-reich-debunks-six-big-lies-about-ec

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 15, 2011
at 7:35 PM
Thanks for the information uawtradesman. I hope the crop yields are good. One neighbor harvested a little corn, but most is not ready, even with last nights’ freeze. You ought to be sharing some of the chill now.

Crops look good here. Someone told me that because of the flooding, there were no limits on irrigation water. Valley crops all the way through eastern Colorado are lush.

Bill Clinton was a virtual Republican president, and yes, Bush built on some of what he started.

Sarah Palin said in Iowa that the contest is not between Republicans and Democrats but between an elite class and the rest of us.

I think some bosses have reached the point that someone must warn them not to look up when it rains, lest they drown.

I have been in a bad mood all day. If we can schedule the time, we will drive to Sioux City tomorrow and watch “Contagion.” That’ll cheer me up.

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By: James on September 15, 2011
at 7:13 PM
Alaskapi…..
Like I said…there’s some people working in the gov that shouldn’t be there…….then again (IMHO) every business can say that…..We used to say at work that a boss would get a “helper” that was “slower” than him, and when that boss retired the helper moved up and got himself a helper that was just a bit “slower….I’m wondering if we have bosses now that can still pick their nose and chew gum at the same time…..

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By: uawtradesman on September 15, 2011
at 6:34 PM
James….FYI….
It’s that time of the year again…at least here in the Saginaw Valley…..
My neighbor took off some “navies” today and the sugar beet trucks are supposed to start tomorrow….

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By: uawtradesman on September 15, 2011
at 6:26 PM
UAW- wasn’t going anywhere with it except to point to the report and the analysis it provides.
The problems we have are not really Dem v Rep a lot of the time even though that’s what we argue. The distance between the 2 is so narrow, so few degrees seperate centrist Dems from the Rs, as regards certain ideas as to be non-existent.
Mr Clinton is the epitome of a centrist. Mr Bush built on some of those things Mr Clinton started.

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By: alaskapi on September 15, 2011
at 6:00 PM
Poolman and PFessor, I’m sorry to throw Katy Perry back to you both, but she is appropro to this discussion.

Poolman, that man sounds a little like Katy Perry. She is currently rebelling against her restrictive upbringing, and at age 26, her Christianity is still evolving. Contributors to a religious blog wrote they are praying that she returns back to where she was and that she becomes an evangelist after her pop career peaks.

Others disagreed and decided Katy is imperfect as we all are. However, Pfessor, the tone of some writers was that Katy should conform to THEIR beliefs, or she was lost. They didn’t consider the force of law. More likely if they would use social compulsion if they could.

If such a group was trying to take over, a few cultural figures would help as much as political figures. They would make passing restrictive legislation easier with some public support.

I’ve also met people who say I should confirm to THEIR beliefs, but I politely blow them off. You already know that.

You might like Huey Lewis and the News’, “Jacobs Ladder” which discusses religious toleration.

“They’re coming over the air waves
The man says I’m overdue
Sing along, send some money
join the chosen few
Mister, I’m not in a hurry
and I don’t want to be like you.”

Right on Craig! The veil is coming down to reveal the White House is not a pleasant place now.

I hope you and Val are all right.

Right now, we have a surfeit of sand. The field north of ours has fourteen acres of the stuff. 80 acres of ours still under water, so we don’t yet know what lies beneath. Several farms a little farther north are under eight to ten feet of sand.

Our neighbor is bringing sand to build up a lane on our farm. He will then mix it with dirt. Harvest, he said will be “short and sweet.” He has only 500 out of 1,200 acres with a crop to harvest. He is in much worse shape than we are.

Our county economic development director says with the exception of flood and other insurance, not a penny of outside money has yet arrived. One reason is the flood has lasted longer than regulations allow. A three to four month is beyond the government’s purview. An unknown quantity of land will not be farmed next year.

FEMA is almost broke, and yet Obama can give bogus green loans to political friends. Any other president might have done the same, but Obama occupies the office now. As Anon. wrote “man of the people my ass!”

As in any emergency, fear and concentration yield to maintainance and near its end, mourning and anger.

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By: James on September 15, 2011
at 5:29 PM
Ya all those listed above were all the reasons I could come up with myself to vote for Obama next time around.

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By: Anonymous on September 15, 2011
at 4:54 PM
Can you imagine the vetting practice for getting a $500 Million stimulus loan?

Are you a democrat?_______
Would you contribute to the Democratic party?_______
If defaulting on your loan would you repay the “principle” investors first?_____
Would you like tickets to the Democratic inaugural ball?____
What country does your business plan to move to upon receiving loan?_____
Are you a friend of Barney Frank or Nancy Pelosi?________
Will your company hire “millions” of unemployed road construction people?__

…and so it goes….Most businesses cannot get a loan from banks these days but the POTUS is handing out money for votes and cronies.
And do the lines of the unemployed look like they are filled with road construction applicants? But that seems what POTUS keeps saying…

My rant for the day…….

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By: Craig on September 15, 2011
at 2:38 PM
By “you” I mean “one,” not you personally. Just clarifying…

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By: PFesser on September 15, 2011
at 2:14 PM
James –
“Millions of people share conservative religious faith. What distinguishes the “dangerous” believers from the rest? ”

Easy one. Softball.

Those are the people who feel that they have the right to compel OTHERS – via force of government – to conform to their beliefs.

Believe what you want. I claim the same right. I won’t try to make you conform to my beliefs and would appreciate the same consideration.

No, I demand it.

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By: PFesser on September 15, 2011
at 1:36 PM
Anon @ 10:25

Good article in the LA Times about how man’s affinity for religion evolved:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/18/opinion/la-oe-thompson-atheism-20110718

Gosh, man, why don’t you take up some handle or other so we an can keep the anons straight…

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By: PFesser on September 15, 2011
at 1:32 PM
re: breakthrough on Li batteries.

Thanks for the link. I wasn’t aware of that. Of course the holy grail has been the “supercapacitor,” which at least one company claims to have perfected but has refused for years to reveal. I think it’s probably bogus.

The key is to increase the internal surface area/unit volume. That’s how activated charcoal works; it adsorbs bad things to its enormous surface area. Very hard to translate to electronics though.

We’ll get there – and when we do, it’s Katy-bar-the-door on electric vehicles. I hope I live long enough to see it come to pass.

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By: PFesser on September 15, 2011
at 1:29 PM
All religions have their own issues. We are unique and cannot wholly conform to a predetermined doctrine of faith. The Spirit of the Universe cannot be so definitively defined.

We can easily be MANipulated™, however.

I found this enlightening…

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By: poolman on September 15, 2011
at 11:09 AM
I more or less feel as you do, Anonymous. So far, I can not imagine the Dominionists to be an immediate threat.

Its a tragic shame, Mageen. We know people in that position too. Its awful to watch hope erode day by day.

We also know business people who have money but who are afraid to spend it. Our daughter is a therapist who works for a small business which could hire more but won’t because the owners are afraid of the future.

The flood has taken a lot of money from us, and we are also watching what we spend. My wife and I know how those business people feel.

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By: James on September 15, 2011
at 10:44 AM
Katy Perry is a major pop icon who began as a Christian singer. Time will tell if she can stretch her short term fame into a Madonna-like career, but at the moment she is very popular.She even sang a duet with Elmo on Sesami Street. My guess is more people can identify Katy Perry than Rick Perry today. She makes a sold- out appearance in Omaha tomorrow night.

Michele Malkin and several other conservative bloggers mentioned Katy Perry after some fans dumped on her when she tweeted she was praying for Israel. She back tracked in the face of the onslaught.

If you really want to know, about her music, google Katy Perry- Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F). So far, the video has over 102 million hits since June. An entertainment reporter said rumor holds that Katy and her husband Russel Brand may be using her latest video as an audition for a movie remake of “I Love Lucy.”

If a religious movement wanted to gain recruits, Katy would do the job as well or better than most politicians.

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By: James on September 15, 2011
at 10:29 AM
James. I cannot speak to the Dominionist movement as I do not know a great deal about it. For me and for that matter practically everyone I know, our religion is the foundation of the decisions we make, and how we treat and interact with others. For those with an agenda I assume religion is a control that allows them to use it as a tool. That we have human frailties allows many to be manipulated by various means including religion. I think I would be far more worried about the dumbing down of the American citizen than I would be about organized religion. I might be a religious man, but I am not stupid. I practice faith in my beliefs but at no time do I practice blind faith in my life. Like the labels Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal, Religion is just another target of a greater underlying problem.

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By: Anonymous on September 15, 2011
at 10:25 AM
Jobs? Well, basically no business is obligated to hire anyone for any reason. Note that the businesses with a lot of cash on hand are not that inspired to do mass hiring, even to rehiring the people they layed off, the very people who do not need retraining to do the jobs they previously had. Their money is going elsewhere to do other things that really have nothing to do with job creation, hence my belief that there really aren’t any “job creators” in that strata. There are 3 young men in my family who are valiantly working their way through college on part-time minimum wage jobs. They knew it would be a long, tough haul so they planned on 7 years to get a Bachelor’s degree. Now they are constantly being told by the world in general and their own schools that they should take this or that course or program or they will be considered unskilled even with a degree and the work will be outsourced overseas. No sooner do they comply than they are told their accomplishment is totally old hat and they need to take this or that course . . . you get the idea. They see themselves taking 10 years to get that basic degree, if they live long enough or don’t go nuts first. These kids in their 20’s see their hopes for marriage and families and home ownership sinking faster than the Titanic. The money just won’t be there. I think that once upon a time this country aimed for fairness but that whole concept is now seen by way too many as deplorable. Really, really a shame.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 15, 2011
at 9:52 AM
Anonomous, several people have discussed the Dominionist movement and have cited religious beliefs of several politicians to link them to the movement. People have written books about the possible threat to our constitution.

Millions of people share conservative religious faith. What distinguishes the “dangerous” believers from the rest? Does an organization hold regular meetings which include the listed politicians? Or are they merely free agents who happen to share a set of overlapping beliefs?

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By: James on September 15, 2011
at 9:51 AM
Who is Katy Perry and why would anyone be interested in what she has to say?

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By: Anonymous on September 15, 2011
at 9:48 AM
That report tells me someone failed to follow some procedures or special circumstances were in place. We just won a government contract and the process was grueling.

The second paragraph is politically motivated and very misleading. The 3rd paragraph is mostly true, I found the person I was sending bids and specifications too was very inept in my field. The bottom line is government does few things well. I have made a lot of extra money when government stepped in and tried to take over part of my process to save some money, and I had to come in more often than not and correct their mistakes. The term, leave it to the professionals fits well here. Some exceptions exists out there, and I am sure this article focused on that. If there is a bidding process, and multiple companies are available that can do the same job, then the private sector will hands down do it for less money and better quality/craftsmanship 95% of the time.

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By: Anonymous on September 15, 2011
at 9:32 AM
still reading but where are you trying to go with this….

“The George W. Bush administration continued the Clinton administration’s pro-outsourcing agenda.”

just asking…….

from the little I’ve read so far there are(IMO) a lot of people that have proved that they shouldn’t be working for the government right now….

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By: uawtradesman on September 15, 2011
at 9:22 AM
Pfesser,

Have you seen this? Something of interest…

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-09/drnl-onm090811.php

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By: Dave James on September 15, 2011
at 9:21 AM
UAW- what do you think of this?

http://www.pogo.org/pogo-files/alerts/contract-oversight/co-gp-20110913.html

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By: alaskapi on September 15, 2011
at 8:31 AM
Business is taking full advantage of their dominion upper hand.

I am not sure I understand this statement. Are you saying that business is against Obama and that they are purposefully keeping the economy down?

James I guess I need you to restate your question as I am not certain who the players are in the distinction you tried to describe.

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By: Anonymous on September 15, 2011
at 8:26 AM
It is a sad day in Obama’s presidency.

…there’s mutiny, we’ve seen it before…

Obama’s Charlie Brown.

Jobs is the football.

Wall Street is Lucy.

😦 “HOW LONG, O LORD?” ❓

He’s pandering to banksters trying to convince them to make loans to business in the hope they will squeeze out a domestic job or two. Obama’s been tasked to produce jobs, yet he isn’t a businessman. Business is taking full advantage of their ~~dominion~~ upper hand. I think he’s toast by design. “No man is an island” describes this best, all while the waters are shark-infested and tainted with blood.

There’s my $.48, for what it’s worth.

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By: poolman on September 15, 2011
at 12:48 AM
While you’re waiting Anon., Where does Katy Perry fit among the Dominionists?

Katy and her family pray in tongues. ” My mom and dad practice ‘tongues and interpretation’ together–my dad speaks, and my mom interprets it. That’s their gift…Speaking in tongues is as normal to me as ‘Pass the salt. A lot of religions use meditation or chanting as a subliminal prayer language, and speaking in tongues isn’t that different—its a secret, direct language to God. If I felt intuitively that I had to pray for some situation, but I didn’t rationally understand it, I just let my spirit pray for it.”

“There is a battle going on… God will arise in this last hour and His enemies will be scattered.”

What in your mind distinguishes a person of a certain belief with someone else who would supplant the constitution with a theocracy? If there were a conspiracy, I think people like Katy or the Jonas Brothers would be as effective as politicians in wining converts.

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By: James on September 14, 2011
at 7:03 PM
So considering all the bad news this past week or two, could the Obama supporters give me their reasons why they would still vote for 4 more years of this administration. Now let me be clear, I think we already understand why you hate Republicans, so I am not looking for more hate rhetoric as the reason why you would vote Obama, because all that tells me is your voting for him because he is not a republican. I am more interested in what you see in the President that you feel he is THE ONE to lead us for the next 4 years?

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By: Anonymous on September 14, 2011
at 1:28 PM
The Jobs Bill, is no doubt, a Reelection Bill. Man of the people my ass.

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By: Anonymous on September 14, 2011
at 7:50 AM
Fact Checking the debates. Lots of lies put out as truth

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/09/hey-gop-2012ers-you-lie

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 14, 2011
at 7:39 AM
John and Jackie Kennedy deserved each other.

Rev Wright’s chickens are coming home to roost but they are not in the chicken house yet.

The last two elections are further signs, though local, that voters are turning away from the Obama glitter. And well they should.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Monday’s proposed tax hikes would take $405 billion from the private economy for ten years beginning in 2013. Taxing earied interest would raise $18 billion and repealing tax incentives for oil and gas production would send $41 billion to the government.

These increases would coincide with the expiration of tax credits in Obama’s tax credits, 100% expensing provisions and pay roll tax breaks in the President’s new jobs program. It would mean an extra $120 billion tax on small businesses and workers.

The expiring Bush tax rates on people earning over $200,000 would raise the highest individual income tax rate from 35% now to about 42% About four and a half million small businesses file tax returns as sub chapter S firms under the individual tax code the same people being targeted with new tax credits would also be paying higher taxes. “The ten year hit to the private economy for all of these expiring Bush rates: about $750 billion.”

The CBO estimates that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will add a cumulative increase in spending of $78 trillion in the twenty years after 2021.

Prof Peter Wallison says that even if the government stole all incomes over $250,000, it would only pay for the deficit for one year. We have mentioned that estimate before.

Republicans and many Democrats know this.

This is just my conspiracy theory. I believe Obama’s insistance on all or nothing with his bill is less a jobs program and more an attempt to maneuver Republicans into becoming Harry Truman’s “do nothing Congress.” It may be too late to raise the unemployment rate to less than 8% by the next election. He must appear to be trying to stimulate the economy in the face of Republican intransigence. Obama’s job’s program is intended to save his job.

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By: James on September 14, 2011
at 7:12 AM
OT: Anybody who did not love Jackie Kennedy should read some of the excerpts from a just-released interview:

“Please don’t send me away to Camp David. Please don’t send me anywhere, if anything happens we’re all going to stay right here with you. Even if there’s not room in the bomb shelter in the White House, which I’d seen I said then I just want to be on the lawn when it happens, well I just want to be with you and I just want to die with you and the children do too.”

My god. My father always said that your best day’s work was when you picked your spouse. My experience is that is true.

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By: PFesser on September 14, 2011
at 5:50 AM
OBAMA MAGIC STRIKES AGAIN! YOU WERE INDEED THE ONES WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

GOP wins in NY House race, seen as Obama rebuke

First time Republican since 1923. Congratulations Libs. I don’t know how to thank you. 😥

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By: Dave James on September 13, 2011
at 10:10 PM
Climate Change is real folks, 24 hours of climate reality starts at midnight!

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/are-climate-deniers-going-watch-al-go

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 13, 2011
at 8:23 PM
straw man, eh “Dave?”

Not really Pfesser. A straw man assumes I was trying to refute your position. The Dominionist charge tied to anybody of importance, and even the entire supposition is so ludicrous, I don’t feel the need to refute it. I simply was making fun of it. Just throwing in a little Daniel to add some flavor to the lunacy. I wouldn’t expect you to recognize the source.

Look. Anybody that reads Genesis 1:26-28 and comes away thinking that some lunatic fringe group will use those verses to formulate a plan to take over the world is not only delusional, it’s hilarious.

I would think a commandment from God to man to have dominion over “the animals” (you know, dogs, cats, hamsters, lions, tigers, bears, and fish, etc.) would not only be obvious, but simply assumed as fact,whether believer or not. It’s also the first reference to the Trinity, as the word Elohim plural. There is nothing else to those verses.

I do have one comment to you. We’ve gone round and round, even making it personal which I believe you made personal and I happily complied, but aren’t too terribly different in background. Tip of the cap for finishing medical school. I simply lost interest and respect your professional accomplishment and EE degree. Might have taken the same path you did, you I probably would have chose Chemical, if I had to do it over again. We could have some interesting discussions, as I am the one person I’ve read here (there could be more) that could actually carry on a conversation with your interests (and mine) in some detail and do it nicely when there is disagreement.

But we have one thing separating us – a belief in God or lack thereof, which creates a huge division. I think we both agree. Where we really diverge though, and I’ll assume for a minute you think me otherwise rational, as I think you otherwise rational, that each of us finds the support for a Creator or the lack of as completely irrational.

If we would simply leave at that and leave religion out of the equation, we would be alright.

I’ll tell you what Pfesser. I will lock my lips and roll my eyes without your knowledge about your Dominionist “stuff”, never proselytizing any degree, if on another blog, you’ll knock off (1) Using God’s name as pejorative; (2) Leave discussions and the mocking rhetoric here.

You’re right. I shouldn’t do that here at your home base. Fair enough? It’s your call. I’ll leave it entirely up to you. But we both must agree to play by the same set of rules.

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By: Dave James on September 13, 2011
at 6:27 PM
Cynthia –

“I mean how was I to know God’s last name wasn’t Damnit.”

That is SO funny! I remember telling my first wife that when I lived at home with my parents, I was seventeen before I realized my name wasn’t Jim Dammit.

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By: pfesser53 on September 13, 2011
at 5:00 PM
“those shadow Dominionists, their seven hills with ten horns, feet made of clay and bronze, the archangel Michael and stuff, straining yourself against the Onward Christian Soldier type formulating their plans to take over the world and implement sharia a theocracy”

More straw man, eh “Dave?”

I guess that’s all a man with no argument has left – accusing people of things they never said and then “refuting” what they never said.

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By: pfesser53 on September 13, 2011
at 4:56 PM
Prediction DeLurker, your liberal philosophy power play days are numbered.

For years, Liberals have purposely been creating an underclass dependency to buy the vote. It generally is geared to minority, but the largest class is still poor white. Every four years, you gals and guys from the “progressive” party pander for the vote, then return the poor and lower middle class to fend for themselves, giving just enough in entitlement under the guise of “for the little man” to keep them from going anywhere. And they have remained in their ignorance, this year over half paid nothing in federal tax.

But…

One of two things is going to happen, and I believe happen soon. You have run out of other people’s money to use DeLurker – the economy can no longer carry you – the hole is so deep with debt, it is doubtful we climb out and the serfs who foot the bill are rebelling.

So if Obama happens to win next year, what are you going to use to continue to pander? Businesses will continue to flee for safer and more profitable havens, small business will struggle and lay more off. When the money runs out, and it will, there are people that are many that are going to start figuring out your game when the basic necessities run out. And when it falls, it is going to fall quickly and hard.

If Obama happens to lose, and the economy begins to turn the corner, with nothing more than changes in tax reform, corporate tax included, entitlement reform, and honesty about the problems we face, it will become very apparent that people have been lied to for years.

You may be one of the 15-20% that remains buried in the failed ideas. But your ideas allowing you to remain in power over America are starting to crumble. You don’t have to look any further than union membership rolls, food stamp rolls, and the urban war zones to realize that.

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By: Dave James on September 13, 2011
at 4:56 PM
Allow tax breaks on the lower 98% to expire (because that’s not a tax increase), but don’t allow tax breaks on the top 2% to expire (because that would be a tax increase).

But, but, but….

Wasn’t it you that wanted to let the intolerable BUSHCHIMPMCHITLER tax cuts expire as recently as last week? So you must be rich and living FAB-U-LOUS-LY, letting them expire is indeed a tax increase on the lower 98%.

But you’re right, of course. That overwhelming and historical rout of you poor fools last November? RACISM! Nothing but PURE RACISM by almost 60% of the country. 😈 Oh, and Halliburton. And Darth Chaney.

Super majority in the Senate, and your solution was cash for clunkers and cash under the table to pass ObamaCare, and 10% unemployment at a cost of $862 billion of stimulus, I mean investment, I mean “jobs saved!” Man, those were the days!

Enough said.

But if you’re going to resort to the liberal narrative that has proven such a disaster for our country and nobody but the brain dead are buying anymore, you ought to least keep the story straight. Lashing out with Journolist talking points needs a sense of consistency. Was it Crooks and Liars or Paul Krugman that blew it?

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By: Dave James on September 13, 2011
at 4:15 PM
One in six live in poverty but the rich are living FAB-U-LOUS!

The Republican solution? Dismantle the healthcare reform act, social security, medicare, disaster relief, funding for medical services for women, and aid for anyone who isn’t rich or white. Allow tax breaks on the lower 98% to expire (because that’s not a tax increase), but don’t allow tax breaks on the top 2% to expire (because that would be a tax increase). Keep giving oil companies tax breaks because the record breaking profits aren’t enough – in fact they are cutting jobs. And by all means, keep up the obstruction because it’s more important to get the black man out of the white house than to start actually changing conditions that keep our economy and people in the tank.

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By: delurkergurl on September 13, 2011
at 3:58 PM
Pfesser –

Yes I am familiar with Dominionism. I don’t have access to TV but I have a great local liberal talk radio station. Thom Hartmann has covered this subject and has had people on to talk about it a number of times over the past several years.

Your link is too much religion for me; it causes an overwhelming urge for a cigarette!

“Like it was for Adam, Noah, Abraham, Joshua and David, it will take warfare, strategy, teamwork, ingenuity and patience but the redeemed seed will prevail in taking the message of the Kingdom of God around the earth.”
I wonder if this is why Noah uses the name Noah! Well when he not hiding behind Anonymous.

My understanding on one part – Dominionism wishes to literally replace the U.S. Constitution and legal system with the Ten Commandments and the Mosaic laws of the Bible. One can be punished by death for – not following or leaving the Christian faith … who blasphemes…commits heresy…anyone responsible for abortion – woman and providers…homosexual acts…practicing witchcraft or astrology… commits theft…children who disobey their parents…women who commit adultery…rape victims who don’t resist sufficiently would all be executed just to mention a few. I was dead on the first two; I mean how was I to know God’s last name wasn’t Damnit.

I guess this is why Perry believes in the death penalty. I say again look at some of the laws being passed in some states and tell me there is no connection.

I don’t remember if you posted this one http://www.politicususa.com/en/what-is-dominionism-god-guns-greed

Rick Perry sounds like he is doing an imitation of Dana Carvey doing an imitation of RP.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 13, 2011
at 2:16 PM
Dave James,

We face many threats, and Donminists may or may not be among them. it is also triage time when we sort our problems according to immediacy and severity.

Our country is slowly disinintgrating from within. The time has come to focus on the immediate cause and vote for whomever will vanquish forces which are unwittingly desteroying our way of life.

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By: James on September 13, 2011
at 1:34 PM
I wanted to drop and congratulate the Obama genuflecters on a wonderful three years. Without your help and your brave vote in fighting back against those shadow Dominionists, their seven hills with ten horns, feet made of clay and bronze, the archangel Michael and stuff, straining yourself against the Onward Christian Soldier type formulating their plans to take over the world and implement ~~sharia~~ a theocracy, each of you bravely stuffing the ballot boxes in conjunction with ACORN, Obama’s mantle would have never held the title of POVERTY RECORD.

Census: US poverty rate swells to nearly 1 in 6

http://news.yahoo.com/census-us-poverty-rate-swells-nearly-1-6-142639972.html

A new record, in fact! Along with the downgrade of our credit rating, almost 50MM on food stamps, a new record high number casualties, $4.1 billion a day of new debt, record unemployment, 47% of black youth unemployed, the wonderful offshore drilling handling by FEMA alienating what few remain that vote Dimocrat in the south, and Iran with a nuclear bomb….

….keep on genuflecting.

Only six months or so until Caesar Obama stands in front of his mighty Styrofoam Greek columns, you hear his wisdom on high as you pee in your pants and faint, holding on to the recognition you were indeed the Ones ~~China~~ we ~~has~~ have been waiting for.

JOB WELL DONE O’Brownie. Mission Accomplished – destination Martha’s Vineyard because prosperity is right around the corner. 😉

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By: Dave James on September 13, 2011
at 12:49 PM
I did some cursory research. Leah Burton serves on the board of The Military Religious Freedom Foundation which Michael “Mikey” Weinstein chairs. He is a registered Republican with a strong military record, and his organization is devoted to religious freedom in the military.

Leah Burton was raised an Eisenhower Republican who is registered as “non-partisan.” She wants the Dominionists “relegated to their own party, the Constitutional Party so moderate Republicans can come back so we can get back to work making progress through compromise…”

They don’t appear to be conspiracy nuts to me,and they seem to be doing a lot of good, especially in the military. However, I think Burton is making too many ephemeral connections. Maybe her book makes a better case than her interview.

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By: James on September 13, 2011
at 12:45 PM
This all sounds very much to me to be cloak and dagger, Mulder and Skully type stuff. People are being anal probed by aliens too. I think there is a lot of information out there. I think the information can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. I think if someone is looking for a conspiracy, then does some research, eventually you will stumble onto things that will support your predetermined conclusions.

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By: Anonymous on September 13, 2011
at 11:09 AM
Cynthia –

Are you familiar with the “seven mountains” of Dominionism? It is seven areas targeted by these people for conquest, in order to bring about a American Christian theocracy. Here’s a link to one of their sites:

http://www.reclaim7mountains.com/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=41538&columnid=4347

If that doesn’t scare hell out of you … well, it should. In Burton’s book she makes direct links between these people and Governor Perry. This is surely going to be an important Presidential election, all right.

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By: PFesser on September 13, 2011
at 10:55 AM
What you said, Noah, is “2 years of a Democrat President with COMPLETE Democrat controlled congress. How is that not getting his policy? This is the trifecta, the grand slam home run of the political world. It doesn’t get any better than this.”

It wasn’t COMPLETE Democrat control, as I explained.

Then you said Dems could have blocked the obstruction, but that’s only true of the senate, so Anonymous at 2:48 AM was right. There was no trifecta. Your comments were just bait, as was your follow-up line:

“So what you are saying is he has been completely ineffective as a President?”

Grow up.

Explain why it’s OK with you that the Republicans have filibustered everything they possibly could in the past 3 years. If the Dems were the minority party would you be OK with them overriding the ELECTED majority, even when there was no disagreement? Of course you wouldn’t be OK with it.

Do the rights of the voters and outcomes of elections matter only when your guy wins?

There’s a table here that shows historic level of filibuster usage during the past 3 years.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02/republican-obstruction-at-work-record-number-of-filibusters/

It doesn’t stop with legislative obstruction. Here are just a few REPUBLICANS who are calling for an end to judicial appointment obstruction.

Chief Justice Roberts Calls for End to Senate Obstruction of Judges
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/01/01/136899/roberts-confirmations/

GOP Judges Write Senators Asking Them To Stop Obstructing President Obama’s Judges
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2010/11/20/176970/gop-judges-write/

FORMER GOP AIDE: SENATE REPUBLICANS WOULD EVEN BLOCK BEN FRANKLIN IF OBAMA NOMINATED HIM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/06/20/248417/gop-blocks-ben-franklin/

Alliance for Justice report – historic obstruction

Click to access state_of_the_judiciary_111th_congress_report.pdf

FORMER GOP JUDGE SLAMS SENATE GOP OBSTRUCTION OF JUDICIAL NOMINEES
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/09/12/316829/former-gop-judge-slams-senate-gop-obstruction-of-judicial-nominees/

He got this so right that I’ll repeat his quote:

“The Obama administration was slow out of the gate on this one – nominations trickled forth in the early days of the administration when the President’s team should have been well-prepared with the names of nominees. But a considerable amount of the fault for this also has to be laid at the feet of Republicans who have made it a badge of honor to frustrate this President, himself a man of the law, from shaping the federal courts he inherited from George W. Bush. If you doubt this conclusion, reflect for a moment on the Senate minority leader’s comment shortly before the 2010 mid-term election when he said that the top – top — political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term in office. Really, Senator? So where on the priority list do we put conducting the Senate’s constitutional business?”

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By: delurkergurl on September 13, 2011
at 10:54 AM
Pfesser – I share your concerns. But I believe the mistake is in saying religion as if to imply all religions are involved. There is one religion looking to rule the world and IMO it is a false/scam/fake religion – antichrist if you wish behind this.

I believe most humans are wired to believe in a higher being. Is it human arrogance which prevents them from believing “this is all there is” and 6ft under is the end of the line.
Their belief system brings them comfort especially when some thing traumatic happens and their faith helps them thru it.

But IMO what better way to control people than their spiritual/religious belief. This fake religion’s goal is to Christianize the military – Onward Christian Soldiers – fill as many seats possible in state and federal government to change the law fetc. It won’t happen over night, bit by bit so it isn’t noticed until it is too late. Look at some of the laws states are trying to or have succeeded in passing. It isn’t just a fluke it is part of a goal, again IMO.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 13, 2011
at 10:26 AM
The Tampa Tempest in the Teaparty Pot: honestly, when is Perry going to realize that huffing hair spray before going on stage just doesn’t work? If he doesn’t like Social Security let him put his money where his beliefs are and get himself out of the system. No , I am not going to let anyone privatize the just over one grand I get per month from Social Security. Wall Street should keep its sticky hands off my pittance. I know that such forums are really no place for anyone to lay out a detailed plan on how to cut waste and fraud but ot still drives me up the wall when guys like Gingrich make such vast generalizations. But then, hey! He had to give up his House Speakership and his Congressional seat when the election results he so loudly predicted just didn’t happen and the party members chewed him up good.

Somebody recently said that it seemed as if the separation between the state and religion seemed to be getting way to thin. Well, that is neither a light nor trivial reaction. The ReBiblicans are turning into a religious movement. Wow! What did she say? Is she kidding? Nope. Just look at the general scope of the type of meetings they have and the info they distribute and the legislation they prioritize. Too close! Way to close! But hey, why should they worry. The Rapture is coming, isn’t it?

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 13, 2011
at 10:15 AM
After having been a troop, I agree with you I Report, not from any government study but from personal experience.

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By: James on September 13, 2011
at 10:06 AM
Contracting out war costs more – The numbers are in. It is cheaper for troops to do the work contractors are doing.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 13, 2011
at 9:21 AM
“What conditions here are in line with what is going on in Iran that you think our religious right is trying to take us down, because I am not seeing it.”

I know you don’t see it, nor do most folks. If you really want to be REALLY scared, investigate the infiltration of the military chaplain corps by Dominionist types. Father Mulcahy, where are we now that we need you?

The best place to get started on that is Leah Burton’s new book: God, Guns, Greed. I checked on it this morning and Amazon still does not have the current version up. The old publisher’s stuff is still up there but you can’t order it yet.

“So I think you have made it pretty clear that in your mind religious types are an aggressive force bent on a dominating our society.”

I said no such thing or anything like it. What you believe is your own business. But politics deals with government, and that means power – the power to compel. In this country there is a clear wall of separation between religion and politics. When you try to mix your beliefs into politics and breach that wall of separation, then that becomes MY business.

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By: PFesser on September 13, 2011
at 8:42 AM
Actually, no. It’s happening now. If you want to see what happens when religion and politics mix, take a good long look at Iran.

Ok lets go down this road of imagination. What conditions here are in line with what is going on in Iran that you think our religious right is trying to take us down, because I am not seeing it.

If it weren’t for our Constitution,

ok but we have our Constitution and that is kind of the point. Why make decisions based on what if, rather than the reality of what is?

Religion is not necessary to bring good, moral ideas to the fore. My experience is that religions *talk* a good game, but when push comes to shove don’t practice it.

Put in place politicians where you put religions and I think the statement still works. Is it religion, that is the root cause, or human nature?

We’ve gotten along just fine without it in our government since 1776 – I don’t intend to start now.

So I think you have made it pretty clear that in your mind religious types are an aggressive force bent on a dominating our society. Are there events going on where you could point me to that shows this desire to dominate and take over our governmental process? Since a necessary part of this action would require dismantling our constitution, could you point me to the activities you see taking place to accomplish this goal?

Anon 2:48 AM sorry you missed one of my posts where I stated it was 1 or both houses.

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By: Anonymous on September 13, 2011
at 8:22 AM
Pfessor, I have already written why I don’t think a home grown theocracy is in the stars.

I hope this amuses you. Football is almost like a religion in Nebraska, and the head coach (Pope) Bo Pelini has a reputation. The KFAB announcer said this morning. “There is no evolution. There is a list of animals Bo Pelini permits to live.”

The head of Nebraska’s health department is German with a heavy accent. KFAB interviewed her about flood related diseases, and at the end of the interview, the announcers asked her to say “We have ways of making you talk.” This time they asked her to say “Sign these forms.” Lucky she has a sense of humor.

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By: James on September 13, 2011
at 8:11 AM
“I do not understand this religious hysteria so many of you seem to have.”

It’s not hysteria. If you want to see what’s going on, there is a new book out by Lexovien press by Leah Burton, called Gods, Guns —–and something else that escapes me right now. It will really open your eyes.

“Most of you seem to act like the crusades happened sometime in the last decade.”

Actually, no. It’s happening now. If you want to see what happens when religion and politics mix, take a good long look at Iran. If it weren’t for our Constitution, there is so much religious fervor here that we wouldn’t be far from the same place. It’s a slippery slope and we MUST not start down it.

“If the worst Republicans try to do is bring some religious values to Washington, that is fine by me.”

Religion is not necessary to bring good, moral ideas to the fore. My experience is that religions *talk* a good game, but when push comes to shove don’t practice it. As the pundit said, the only time you will see good people do bad things – that takes religion. We’ve gotten along just fine without it in our government since 1776 – I don’t intend to start now.

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By: pfesser53 on September 13, 2011
at 5:34 AM
You were wrong about the trifecta then. No super majority in the house.

The senate does not act alone.

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By: Anonymous on September 13, 2011
at 2:48 AM
Delurkergurl I was correct, the 2009 congress had a 60 vote super majority, the first in 30 years.

Anon 8:09 You seem angry.

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By: Anonymous on September 12, 2011
at 10:40 PM
Your understanding comes from Fox, right Noah?

Your wife could use some help around the house, and with the baby.

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By: Anonymous on September 12, 2011
at 8:09 PM
Delurkergurl, First as I understood it they had the ability to block the filibuster in at least 1 of the houses, so I will have to fact check that. But even if it is the case as you say and the Republicans could filibuster, he still had majority control, something most Presidents dream of. Why was not every President before Obama not considered ineffective then if they didn’t have super control of congress?

Also are you saying Republicans exercised this filibuster so often that they blocked enough to make you statement stand that so far nothing has been Obama’s policy?

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By: Anonymous on September 12, 2011
at 7:30 PM
Cynthia,

I don’t mind your NJ/NY attitude. An Air Force friend was from New Jersey, and he had a thick accent. We were rowing a small boat across the Serpentine in London, and we bumped into another boat. The passengers were miffed, and I started to appollogise. My friend yelled in his best accent, “GET OUT OF OUR WAY!!! WE’RE KING OF THE SEAS NOT ENGLAND!!” As you can guess, we had quite a lot to deal with.

Thanks for your kind thoughts about our flood. Its pretty rough for some people. People not knowing is why I wasted space writing about it. It was only a token, but all I could do.

Yes, Bush did have a detailed plan and at least some was based on Chile’s experience. I had a bad feeling about it because though I don’t play the stock market, I have traded grain who’s futures can be as volitile.

For the purpose of this discussion board, privatization is a concept so far. No one has described any detailed plans. I should have been more clear.

I could tell you stories about NH3.

The Republicans and Democratic allies would do their best to make a workable adjustment to Social Security because they would know voter wrath would sweep them away if they failed. Obama and his stimulus put him in trouble, and unlike Republicans’ work on Social Security, a tangible program, Obama can’t even create new private jobs because it is out of his job description. I think like mythological Republicans and Social Security, Obama is trying his best to help the private sector create jobs because he wants to win the next election.

Yes, we can skip the revolutionary ten years of Chile. We’ve met farmers from Chile, so I know their society is imperfect. In spite of that, I think we might be able to borrow workable parts of their program. If not Chile we ought to study some countries more successful than we.

As for MIlton Friedman, economics can be a heartless science.

You say you don’t like Republicans or Democrats much. Neither do I. Perhaps we can start a third party and meet in the middle.

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By: James on September 12, 2011
at 7:09 PM
Dems had majorities, but not filibuster-proof majorities. Every issue was filibuster material. Republicans have used it at record shattering frequency – EVEN when there was no disagreement in principle. No program was too good to sabotage. The voting majority in this country had their will entirely ignored.

Unfortunately, paybacks are inevitable and we will continue to suffer as a result.

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By: Delurkergurl on September 12, 2011
at 6:05 PM
James – Privitatizing Social Security is just a concept – Bush said one thing he regretted was he hadn’t privatized SS. I think that is a bit more than just a concept.

Some of your intemporate comments about Republicans are entertaining – I am very pleased that you feel that way. I would hate to think I was ticking you off! But realize what you call intemperate comments are really a NY/NJ Att-i-tude. We say what we think and we don’t mince words. Granted it can be a fault at times, deal with it. 😉

But in the real world Republicans would know they were committing political suicide if they let “Wall Street” miss -manage or rob the store. You didn’t say that, did you? Tell me you’re not serious. Not with a straight face right? I know you have a lot of time on your hands but that anhydrous ammonia goes on the fields not the stove!

On a serious note, I saw some of Scott’s pictures of the flood. I am sorry this happened to all of you. I mentioned it to others and no one knew a thing about it!

James – Granted I am not fond of the Republicans but understand I am not very happy with the Democrats either.

As for Chile – could we skip the first 10 years, the military coup and make the difference between the poor and rich a little more even.

Milton Friedman had been waiting for just such an opportunity to test his free market theories.
http://harpercrusade.blogspot.com/2011/05/milton-friedman-and-chilean-experiment.html

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 12, 2011
at 5:43 PM
Just seems to me to be a contradiction that I would like delurkergurl to elaborate on. They had the ability to dictate policy anyway they liked and the Republicans could do nothing to stop them. How can that be then say we were not getting his policy.

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By: Anonymous on September 12, 2011
at 5:31 PM
how could he be effective with Nancy and Harry……talk about Dumb and Dumber……

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By: uawtradesman on September 12, 2011
at 5:14 PM
But we haven’t been getting his policy.

2 years of a Democrat President with COMPLETE Democrat controlled congress. How is that not getting his policy? This is the trifecta, the grand slam home run of the political world. It doesn’t get any better than this.

So what you are saying is he has been completely ineffective as a President?

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By: Anonymous on September 12, 2011
at 4:58 PM
But we haven’t been getting his policy.

This past 3 years has pushed me farther to the left than ever, thanks to the Republicans. I will do my best to vote as many of those obstructionists out of office to give true progressive legislation a chance.

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By: delurkergurl on September 12, 2011
at 4:52 PM
Regardless of what side of the isle you walk on a Democrat is a Democrat and a Republican is a Republican. We know what their agenda is and what values they have.

That said, looking at these past 3 years, I know, with some certainty, that our country cannot endure 4 more years of the same. Our economy cannot endure more of the same, and people cannot endure 4 more years of double digit unemployment. This isn’t “well maybe we can” We cannot have another 4 years of this. We need a significant change in direction and Obama has not given us one hint he is prepared to offer us that change or deal with what is to come. Obama care, this jobs bill, all these things are going to come due in 2013.

I do not understand this religious hysteria so many of you seem to have. Most of you seem to act like the crusades happened sometime in the last decade. If the worst Republicans try to do is bring some religious values to Washington, that is fine by me. I can think of no place that needs more than that den of vipers. I would think most everyone would appreciate a little morality being introduced to these corrupt politicians.

I am curious what those who would vote for Obama think you will get with another 4 years of his policy. Do you think he will be able to do in the next 4 years what he could not do when he had complete control of the congress? Why a jobs bill now? Our need for a jobs bill was just as bad 3 years ago, why wait till now? Jobs and the economy go hand in hand, you would think a person from the party of the people, would have that somewhere on his radar prior to his 3rd year. “Yes we can”, should have been, “I wish I could, if I knew how.”

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By: Anonymous on September 12, 2011
at 3:47 PM
Do you remember when I bragged about our culture of self sufficiency and charity as the flood attacked us? That all is true, and we had no looting, though property was left unguarded.

The water is now slowly receding, and only sixty acres of our land is still under water.

A local cultural defect is people’s inability to stay off closed and damaged roads even though they are blocked with barracades. They are driving around them as water slowly withdraws. The DOT is angry because interlopers are further damaging the roads and risk death or injury if undermined roads collapse.

Pig headedness is one of our flaws, I guess.

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By: James on September 12, 2011
at 2:59 PM
Pfessor and delurkergurl,

I obviously don’t have buyers’ remorse either because I think I made the right call. Its not so much a choice between a Ford or a Chevy as it is buying a good looking car with bad valves.

Many people on the left do have buyers’ remorse.

I wrote that people who don’t study candidates, their records and views hurt us all when they vote. Consider Rick Perry. He has a good superficial record, and he speaks almost as plainly as Donald Trump. He gives voice to the anger and frustration many people feel as Obama once did.

If we continue in the doldrums, Perry may be nominated. If he out debates Obama we may welcome President Perry into the fold. Then more people who weren’t paying attention will have buyers remorse.

I know you two are knowlegable though with different biases, but many people aren’t.

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By: James on September 12, 2011
at 2:53 PM
delurkergurl –

Hear! Hear!

They just don’t get it. I wonder if *they* ever wonder what happened to the Republicans that left the party – and WHY they left. If you ask the lunatics now in charge of the ReBiblican asylum, many will say that the Party needs to “move more towards its base” – which is to say, the Religious Right – and that is why they are not winning much of the time.

I’ve got a news flash for them: as long as the RR keeps calling the shots, the thinking Republicans will be voting Democrat.

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By: PFesser on September 12, 2011
at 2:25 PM
Actually the markets are now up for the day.

I don’t have buyers remorse. Not at all. It’s not fair to have buyer’s remorse that of the choice between a Ford and a Chevy, I didn’t buy a Honda. Of the choices that were available, I am completely comfortable that I made the right one.

I don’t endorse everything this administration has done, conceded to, or put up with. However, the alternative was nottttttt acceptable. I expect to feel the same way in the next election, particularly considering the candidates and their positions. If I ever wondered about supporting Perry (never did, lol), that psycho Orly’s endorsement would have killed it.

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By: delurkergurl on September 12, 2011
at 2:20 PM
“Pfessor, I have to disagree and say we have a calamity and a massive mess to clean up after Obama. Massive!”

I guess I didn’t say that very well. That is what I meant. Once this administration is done with us, we would only have a few scraps left that would be worth picking up.

I haven’t had the nerve to look at the market today, but the whole world is coming unravelled. The barbarian hordes are at the door, I’m afraid. This is going to be a wild, wild ride.

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By: PFesser on September 12, 2011
at 12:53 PM
Republicans have the majority control. There will be no regulations, no restrictions, no enforcement just a big free for all on Wall Street.

At least you didn’t make broad sweeping, unfounded generalizations..cudos on that.

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By: Anonymous on September 12, 2011
at 12:30 PM
Privatatizing Social Security is just a concept, Cynthia.

Some of your intemporate comments about Republicans are entertaining, and I don’t mind them. But in the real world Republicans would know they were committing political suicide if they let “Wall Street” miss -manage or rob the store. Moreover, as time passes and choices dwindled, more Democrats would support privatizing to salvage at least part of Social Security.

I’m not sure you are not exaggerating. I do know we must change the operation or it will fail. Therefore, I suggest our lawmakers study Chile or other nations with retirement systems which are not wallowing in debt.

We have to do something before what many liberals and conservatives since Paul Samuelson in 1967 have called a Ponzi scheme fails or must be sustained by onerous taxes or high inflation. Social Security in its present form is doomed in the long run. I am not exaggerating.

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By: James on September 12, 2011
at 12:20 PM
The discussion is accademic since we all have the right to vote, and we have free will. However, I still believe people who don’t even know the candidates’ names or what they stand for do us all a favor if they refuse to vote.

Voting is like buying a car or hiring an employee. We all try to make our best decisions based on available information, our biases, and emotions.

You made a valid choice based on your biases, Pfessor. You thought Sarah Palin might eventually become president. You could have been right if you were assuming normal longevity patterns, or if you thought McCain might win a second term.

I, on the other hand have an unusual family history. If one of my relatives dies before ninety, it is considered young. With McCain’s mother still functioning, I expected him to survive at least through his first term.

I had also done some research on Obama and had read part of his book. His lack of administrative experience bothered me. Mc Cain seemed like the better of two bad choices. Neither choice was right or wrong, but I would have mentally kicked myself every time I criticized Obama or McCain. Its the way I am.

I bought a cab for our IH 806 tractor at a farm auction in 1975. I got carried away and over bid by about $200.00. The cab is still on the tractor, but I still blame myself the way I do if I hire a politician who disappoints me.

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By: James on September 12, 2011
at 12:04 PM
Privatizing SS – how will it work we get to choose or will it be done by one or two corporations?

While I am not happy with the government at least we have some small control or hope to over our money but once it is in private hands we will have no control or say or hope of changing things. I believe if it is privatized it will be done when the Republicans have the majority control. There will be no regulations, no restrictions, no enforcement just a big free for all on Wall Street.

This management company(s) of our funds will head to the tables on Wall Street and play their games and since it is not their money why should they care. I can see for every $100 they raise they will give us $10 and figure a way to keep the $90 for them selves. And if they loose it….. well there was a down turn in the market…you know that is the risk you take…TS. But since we lost money we will have to have you contribute a bit more every month. The “purchased” pols will see it we do. Of course there will be the “fees” for managing our money. Perhaps they will allow people with higher incomes to opt out and then there will be absolutely no one to stand up for the little people. And when all is said and done we will get our $200 a month at age 85 and told aren’t you happy we saved you from the big bad government who was stealing your money.

Exaggerating?? Am I really?

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 12, 2011
at 12:02 PM
Pfessor, I have to disagree and say we have a calamity and a massive mess to clean up after Obama. Massive!

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By: Anonymous on September 12, 2011
at 11:35 AM
“People, right and left who voted for Obama and now have buyers remorse, have only themselves and the press to blame. ”

I voted for Obama and I don’t blame myself for anything. Even in hindsight, the choice was between Obama and the possibility – no likelihood – that Sarah Palin would become president.

At least after Obama we will have some pieces left to pick up – albeit small ones.

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By: PFesser on September 12, 2011
at 10:16 AM
even if you flip a coin in the ballot box everyone(citizen) should vote……just as good as voting straight party….. that was my main problem with the union and being pulled out of a line to meet the Dem governor because I had a NRA hat on….

and Dave……maybe we should start selling FICA as a flat tax…..isn’t the upper limit a loophole?????Then again shouldn’t we treat corporations like a co-op(non profit)(0% tax)…….all money gets passed out as dividends and the individual shareholder is the one getting taxed…..

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By: uawtradesman on September 12, 2011
at 10:09 AM
Not allowing access to funds would work.

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By: James on September 12, 2011
at 9:44 AM
I don’t think everyone should vote though they need the right. People who don’t have the time or interest to research candidates should have the decency to stay home.

People, right and left who voted for Obama and now have buyers remorse, have only themselves and the press to blame. His ideology and character were on record for those who looked, so he should not be much of a surprise. Tom Brokaw said “we really don’t know much about the man, even what he reads…” I wonder what Tom thinks now.

It is bipartisan as far as I am concerned. People ought not vote for Perry or any other candidate, especially for local office without knowing more than a name. Some people don’t even know who is running.

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By: James on September 12, 2011
at 9:39 AM
I too believe some people might be undisciplined enough to waste their pensions before they need them.

There’s a simple solution to this. You don’t allow citizens access to the funds, invested by professional money managers outside the scope of the federal government, and it remains a mandatory contribution.

You’re right about one thing Raji. I would love to see the U.S. Gov’t operate without its own safety net called the Social Security Fund. They’ve been raiding it for years, it’s legalized thievery, and its another great reason for privatization – perhaps the best reason.

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By: Dave James on September 12, 2011
at 9:35 AM
why is there a cap??????

Those were sold to the American public as retirement contribution accounts. They’re capped because their receipts upon retirement are capped. Think of it as an insurance program. Since there is an upper limit to benefits, there is an upper limit to premiums.

There are no earned income limits on Medicare taxes, so high wage earners are already paying more in taxes – and yes, it is most definitely a tax.

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By: Dave James on September 12, 2011
at 9:29 AM
Ragi, I believe the government robbed from the Social Security trust fund because it needed the money. “Frankly,” I’m not sure the government could operate on a daily basis without the money either.

I am also a little uncomfortable with privatizing Social Security . I too believe some people might be undisciplined enough to waste their pensions before they need them.

However, Bush’s attempt to partially privatize Social Security was based on a sound example- Chile.

Prior to 1981, the Chilean Ponzi scheme was like ours headed for trouble. Jose Pinera, Secretary of Labor and Pensions overhauled the system.

A few years ago, John Tierny of the New York Times visited Pablo Serria, an old classmate. They compared their retirement programs. Both had contributed nearly equal amounts. Pablo could retire at 62 with a $55,000 pension compared to Tierny’s $18,000.

According to Investors Business Daily, the average annual rate of return for Chilean workers over the last 30 years is over 9% per year after inflation. “US Social Security pays a 1% to 2% theoretical rate of return and even less for new workers.” Capital accumulated in the privatized accounts has made Chile more prosperous than it might have been.

I don’t know if Chile’s model would work in the US or not. Maybe the lower rate of return in the US is equivalent to insurance premiums to guarantee a stable income. I don’t know all of the implications of plunging stock markets, but I do know we ought to be investigating Chile.

My wife and I are still nervous about privatization through stocks etc. However, there are more ways to skin a cat. We have our own private replacement for Social Security. My wife and I were afraid to venture into the stock market, but we knew land. We bought farm ground for $360 to $800 per acre. Over the years, like stocks the value appreciated. Now the land is worth $4,000 to $7,000.00 per acre. Unlike stocks, except for property taxes, the per acre value is meaningless. What counts is the income it produces.

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By: James on September 12, 2011
at 9:18 AM
I Report….”

“I think it is UnAmerican – one person, one vote should be the standard. Voter registration for all should be encouraged and a duty of government.”

It should be one citizen,one vote……..and throw everybody in jail that tries to violate that…..and not “Vote Early,Vote Often”

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By: uawtradesman on September 12, 2011
at 9:04 AM
Amen, UAW.

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By: alaskapi on September 12, 2011
at 8:41 AM
IMHO the Dems and the Repubs are both to blame for today’s problems…….to bad the Tea-party is being hijacked……where is the Dem equivalent……now to SS….why is there a cap?????? I keep hearing about flat taxes…..why should some people pay till 12-31(working 2-3 jobs) and others are done 1-2(a couple of hrs) or 1-6(less than a week)($10,800,000/yr=SS paid off in 20 hrs@40 hrs/wk)

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By: uawtradesman on September 12, 2011
at 7:50 AM
In a perfect world, Dave Jones, I would tend to agree with you regarding the privatization of Social Security. However, human nature being what it is there is no such thing as a perfect world.

I fear that releasing that much money into the private financial sector will only lead to more corruption and greed.

Just like 401K’s and IRA’s, people will tap into their SS private account regardless of the stringent regulations and penalties. “Today” is the rainy day they were saving for.

Frankly I’m not sure our government could operate on a daily base without the use of SS funds which are used to buy US securities (another loan)

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By: Raji on September 12, 2011
at 7:48 AM
I report @ 7:03pm. That was awesome!

Stealing it. 😉

I’ve never watched Fahrenheit 9/11.

Maybe someday…

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By: poolman on September 12, 2011
at 2:22 AM
Fahrenheit 9-11 The movie

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 11, 2011
at 7:31 PM
A 9-11-2011 Review – Quite good

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 11, 2011
at 7:03 PM
Have to agree with Dave. The Democrats have not been for the little people for a long time. It may seem their hand-outs are out of kindness, but it is to keep their voting block dependent and in servitude.

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By: Anonymous on September 11, 2011
at 1:37 PM
I believe it is the goal of the Republicans to be in power forever.

And this isn’t the goal of Dimocrats and their religion of the god politic? 😆

If taking care of the little people is putting 47,600,000 on food stamps with no hope of advancing anywhere but to the food stamp office, 18% real unemployment, multi-generational welfare with fatherless children, and cities like New Orleans, Detroit, and L.A. where schools look like war zones, 50% drop out of high school, and urban blight the norm, you got me.

Dimocrats aren’t just taking good care of the poor and average people. They’re taking fabulous care of the poor average people.

You’d like to think one day, the core constituency Obama voter might want to get out of that situation – apparently not, because they keep voting for the people who pander for their vote every four years, then give them just enough to get by until needed for the next vote.

ACORN criminality and election fraud being the party of the Republicans? LMAO. Did you renew your subscription to Pravda when they offered their special Ekaterina?

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By: Dave James on September 11, 2011
at 1:23 PM
I believe it is the goal of the Republicans to be in power forever.

People are going to vote for the person who is going to “look out” for them. Typically the Democrats take care of the poor and average person. The wealth and business people vote for the Republicans who will look out for them.

Union busting, destroying Acorn, voter ID’s, voter registration restrictions, purging the rolls, fewer or non-working voting machines in Democratic areas etc; and of course a little election fraud are all working against the Democratic Party and voter.

Be careful what you wish for ….you just may get it!

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 11, 2011
at 12:56 PM
In a word, alaskapi, yes. A group of people cares little about the poor except their use as a political instrument to gain and hold power.They know people will vote for what they depend on to survive.

Those depression pictures remind us of how bad it can be, though it was even worse in 1894. The Depression casts a long shadow. My parents survived the Great Deprsssion, and they showed by example that money must be saved lest one starve.

Hard times on the farm reinforced their emotions on my wife and me. Our children also have similar attitudes toward money and helping others.

I like that Alan Jackson song.

PFessor, don’t forget how you felt when you watched that movie. People over there still want to kill us.

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By: James on September 11, 2011
at 12:09 PM
The manipulation of Republicans FOR WAR AND PROFIT!! Remember the lies that got us to invade Iraq!!

http://www.politicususa.com/en/9-11-political-manipulation

Simon performing Sounds of Silence
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/paul-simon-performs-sound-silence-ground-zer

AlaskaPi: Sadly, Stopping the voting of Democrats seems to be a well thought out ALEC strategy. With the election of Republicans, they are pushing hard and fast to implement the Stop the voting of Minority, Students and the poor. Billionaires and Corporations are able to buy elections!! Free state IDs are not to be discussed – definite well throught out strategies. I think it is UnAmerican – one person, one vote should be the standard. Voter registration for all should be encouraged and a duty of government.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 11, 2011
at 12:09 PM
Helen, you are without a doubt one of the most colorful and truthful persons to have ever blogged. God Bless you and your family. Your plain-spoken truths are simply fantastic! As you know, your words have inspired many people, me included. I have also been blogging here, at http://www.gimmethetruth.wordpress.com I hope others will find inspiration and start their own blogs as well. Again, God Bless you and thank-you for all your wonderful blogs!

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By: Anonymous on September 11, 2011
at 11:43 AM
I think this article makes some valid points. Making people dependent on assistance is a harmful act. Once hooked on assistance, they will indeed do anything to keep themselves getting that assistance and more of it. The more of a nation dependent on assistance, the more a nation is harmed. The more you add programs that increase dependance, the more you undermine a nation.

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By: Anonymous on September 11, 2011
at 11:17 AM
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/registering_the_poor_to_vote_is_un-american.html
comments?
is this where we are headed?

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By: alaskapi on September 11, 2011
at 11:01 AM
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By: alaskapi on September 11, 2011
at 10:11 AM
Alan Jackson, Where were you?

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 11, 2011
at 9:32 AM
Of course the CIA tried to recruit within Al Qaeda, that is the CIA’s job. Who knows better what the Al Qaeda was going to do, where it’s resources were coming from, etc than its members? Jeeze Louise, Poolman! Hate your country much?

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By: Anonymous on September 11, 2011
at 9:26 AM
Raji, one fact is all I require Republican or Dimocrat Admin, simple back of the envelope calculations.

No matter the downturns, or the tech bubbles, or the real estate crashes, people would be better off over an extended period of their entire career if the money were invested for them in private accounts. Allowing our government to meddle in the private affairs of men has always proven an abject failure.

You can not measure over a decade – you have to measure over the life of a career. One simple example.

Jan 2, 1980 – DJIA 824.57
Sep 9, 2011 – DJIA 10,992.13

Percentile Delta Increase = 1,333.07%

Jan 2, 1980 – S&P 500 135.76
Sep 9, 2011 – S&P 500 1,154.23

Percentile Delta Increase = 850.2%

Without taking into account accumulated interest, dividends, expenses, managerial fees, and assuming all things equal:

An account holding $10,000.00 on Jan 2, 1980, invested in 30 prime stocks, simple back of the envelope accounting and math with nothing contributed further, would be worth approximately $133,000.00 at this moment.

An account holding $10,000.00 on Jan 2, 1980, invested in a stock index fund, simple back of the envelope accounting and math with nothing contributed further, would be worth approximately $85,200 at this moment.

Obviously, each assumes a greater measure of risk, but that is minimized over an extended period of time. And remember, that is without one further dime being contributed.

Not a perfect example and much too simple, but I defy any government official to deny the amount of money contributed to an account, including corporate matching, vis-a-vis that paid out that would have allowed this degree of solvency and that much of an offset to inflation.

As it is now, even if you can guarantee me complete assurance that the money contributed safe, core inflation more than offsets the invested dollars of real worth.

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By: Dave James on September 11, 2011
at 8:52 AM
I watched “Flight 93” last night. I had forgotten just how much this whole thing had affected me. All I can say – and I mean this sincerely – is that it is a really good thing that I was not President.

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By: PFesser on September 11, 2011
at 8:35 AM
Thanks for that I Report. Nice to see the Republicans doing what we elected them to do. Nice to have people who actually stand for what they believe in.

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By: Anonymous on September 11, 2011
at 8:23 AM
“If we had been doing that since 1980 and invested the funds in safe stocks and bonds with company matching, most people would have more than enough for retirement right now” – Dave James

If funds had been invested in safe stocks and bonds, those funds would have been hit strongly by the recession/depression of 2007 and if those funds were being managed by investment firms they would have been invested in subprime/prime mortgage bonds which were considered investment grade A bonds of low risk. For example the German took the rules at face value: they looked into the history of triple-A-rated bonds and accepted the official story that triple-A-rated bonds were completely risk free. No one took apart the bonds to determine the ingredients!

The checks and balances of yesteryear were no longer in force during this decade.

I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to determine the truth as each party involved has it’s own accounting practices as indicated above regarding triple-A-bonds.

Facts and Figures from SS:
securities bought and sold during recent years?
The amount bought in 2010 was $1,020 billion, while the amount sold was $929 billion. See investment transactions for more detail and earlier years.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html

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By: Raji on September 11, 2011
at 8:08 AM
What’s the best part about being a Republican leader these days? If you ask House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, it’s being able to always get your own way. And so he goes again, this time reacting to President Barack Obama’s bipartisan jobs agenda by saying the House is more than willing to vote for it — at least, the parts that the GOP actually like.

Via Politico:

House Republicans are planning to peel off portions of President Barack Obama’s plan that they find favorable, and pass them separately.

GOP leaders are planning to pick the most passable items out of the bill — trade agreements, small business relief measures, revamped unemployment insurance — and pass them separately.

“This is my objection to the message that was delivered tonight,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told reporters in the Capitol after the speech. “The message was: either accept my package as it is, or I will take it to the American people. I would say that that’s the wrong approach. What we’re here to do is try to transcend differences, not let them get in the way in the areas we can make progress on.”

Cantor added that “as majority leader, I certainly would like to see us be able to peel off some of these ideas, put them on the floor, vote them across the floor and get the senate to join with us so we can actually get something to the president and make some progress as quickly as possible.”

Of course, the whole point of a bipartisan plan is to have compromise — a few elements one side likes in exchange for a few elements that the other side likes. Everyone gets something, and although no one is completely satisfied, there’s enough to take home and declare a small victory.

But that was government before we entered an era of no compromise. An era that began in 2009 with a filibuster on nearly every piece of legislation in the senate, and secret holds constantly used to block votes. And one that grew even worse prior to the 2010 election, when Sen. Jim DeMint ordered that all legislation be held until after the election. Then obstructionism because an art form during the Lame Duck session, where the GOP held unemployed Americans ransom, refusing to extend unemployment benefits unless the Democrats voted to extend the Bush Era tax cuts for the rich.

Now, it’s become habit. We’ll pass what we like, and nothing else. Compromise is now a dirty word.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/cantor-we-only-have-to-pass-the-parts-we-like.html#ixzz1XeWcEEPV

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 11, 2011
at 8:05 AM
http://www.chrisusher.com/clients/911

a memorial in photographs for 9/11 and the aftermath, by Chris Usher.

Chris Usher : “Here’s a collection of images from 9/11 and the aftermath- I had just returned from Perpignan hours before and I was alerted from a deep sleep by a phone call from my best friend about the WTC– as I was putting my gear in my truck I heard the hit on the Pentagon, but didn’t think anything of it since there was construction on the Wilson bridge nearby– as I turned onto US1, I could see the smoke rising and then turning horizontal in the prevailing breeze…..”

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By: Raji on September 11, 2011
at 7:44 AM
I am rather glad Dems hyper focus on the Republican women, gives a real candidate time to come in under the radar and hand them their political asses.

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By: Anonymous on September 11, 2011
at 7:37 AM
Not all Minnesotans think Michelle Bachmann is God’s gift.
We have known she was crazy for a long long time.
I just can not understand her appeal at all.

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By: barb on September 11, 2011
at 7:27 AM
Whenever I see a Monarch butterfly, I remember that day, Mageen. My brother had taken a day off so the two of us could hike in the Loess Hills as we had when we were younger.

He lives over fifty miles away, and I turned on the Today Show as I waited. The hosts were puzzled because a plane had just crashed into one of the towers. No one knew what was happening. A theory held it was a commuter plane. People called in to tell what they knew. I turned on our VCR.

By the time my brother arrived, we knew it was pretty bad. He wondered if we should continue the hike. I replied it had been hard for him to get the right day off, and no matter what happened, we couldn’t do anything about it, so we went.

Migrating monarch butterflies were resting on our farmstead. The trees were covered with them. As they flitted around our yard, I thought of the contrast between our lovely day and people diving out of flaming tall buildings.

We took my transistor radio and my brother’s cell phone. His wife had been evavcuated because of rumors of a terrorist attack on Omaha . It was weird not to see any contrails overhead.

We still have the video tape, and I have played it from time to time.

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By: James on September 11, 2011
at 6:54 AM
Poolman, Jackie Kennedy was sharing her opinion based on supposition and emotion, not facts. Little love was lost between LBJ and the Kennedies. Johnson believed Bobby and the others were trying to freeze him out.

Jackie also said Martin Luther King was tricky and not trustworthy.

At the time, people wondered if the Mafia or Castro were involved, since they had a good motive. Kennedy had supposedly used the Mafia to attempt to murder Castro. Bobby had tried to wreck the Mafia and showed the Teamsters to be a virtual arm of the Mafia.

If you blame Bush, don’t forget Clinton. His administration virtually ignored terrorist attacks from the first Trade Center bombing on. Ossama bin Ladin expected the US to send missiles to the Mid East as Clinton had done elsewhere. Bin Ladin believed the bludgeon would inflame the Middle East.

Bush worried more about fixing the recession and the potential Chinese missile threat than Al Quaida.

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By: James on September 11, 2011
at 6:40 AM
Poolman – would you email me privately at pfesser53 at gmail dot com?

Thanks.

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By: pfesser53 on September 11, 2011
at 5:56 AM
On the tenth anniversary of this unfathomable day, take a moment and listen, really listen to the quiet. It might help with the memories of where you were when it all happened and the fallout as in where you were when you heard or saw.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 11, 2011
at 5:28 AM
Your move

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By: poolman on September 11, 2011
at 3:00 AM
President Bush’s chief counter-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke has revealed that the CIA under George Tenet attempted to recruit some of the 9/11 “Al Qaeda” terrorists prior to the attack of September 11, 2001, but that after the attempt failed, Tenet and his senior CIA staff covered up the botched recruitment effort. The revelation is yet one more nail in the coffin of what has become the most discredited U.S. government report since the infamous Warren Report on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963. In fact, the Warren Report received another blow after it was revealed that First Lady Jacqueline revealed in 1964 to historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. that she believed that Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was behind the assassination of her husband in Dallas. The revelations by Mrs. Kennedy and Clarke show that the United States government cannot be trusted to investigate misdeeds carried out with the full knowledge and support of senior officials of the CIA and the White House. The 9/11 attack represents one such high-level government cover-up.

Clarke’s recent revelations about CIA knowledge of Al Qaeda 9/11 cells prior to the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington merely takes one to the shallowest of depths of the rabbit hole of the intelligence world…

http://www.voltairenet.org/9-11-Unanswered-Questions-I

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By: poolman on September 11, 2011
at 12:31 AM
Every single day, America is becoming a little bit more divided. It is probably not a stretch to say that there could be more political hatred in this country today than at any time since the Civil War. In fact, there are some very disturbing signs that the very heated war of words between the two major political parties could soon spill over into very real violence in the streets.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/divide-and-conquer-are-the-left-and-the-right-in-america-about-to-go-to-war-with-each-other

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By: poolman on September 10, 2011
at 11:21 PM
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By: poolman on September 10, 2011
at 11:06 PM
Jamie Poo: Any information from the radical left-wing, American hating, cult-figure-led New York Times is highly suspect, but it will just have to do for a lightweight of your stature. Read ‘um weep turnip…

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By: Dave James on September 10, 2011
at 8:56 PM
Dave James: Any information from the radical right-wing, cult-figure-led Washington Times is highly suspect, so excuse me if I don’t believe what you shared about Social Security.

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By: Jamie on September 10, 2011
at 5:49 PM
You are correct, I report…, but CEO’s high wages and a shortage of jobs are two different issues. One has little to do with the other.

As you wrote, those 50,000 people will generate a lot of income and the multiplier effect will make the new wealth even more massive.

Redistributionist taxes and onerous regulations will not create wealth to let the 50,000 do their magic. The private sector will have to create it out of economic activity, and they will need to keep a sufficient part of their profits to hire more workers and to expand.

Otherwise, taking from one group to give to another creates little new wealth. One might as well send checks directly from the treasury department. At least it would reduce administrative costs.

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By: James on September 10, 2011
at 3:47 PM
Currently more funds are paid in to Social Security than is being paid out. All surplus funds are invested in low risk US Treasury bonds. It is predicted that by 2037 funds being paid in will not exceed funds being paid out. At that point Social Security may only be able to pay out 75% if the invested surplus funds are not available.

Actually Raji, that is what government wants you to believe. Social Security is clearly a pyramid scheme by any definition.

According to the CBO:

Social Security will collect $45 billion less than it pays out this year …
It will come up $547 billion short from 2012 through 2021 …
Plus, the disability portion of the program will run out of money within 2017

Social was in the “red” as of August of last year, seven years sooner than predicted. Pfesser’s friend is right. The only way to save social security as it exists is to privatize social security. If we had been doing that since 1980 and invested the funds in safe stocks and bonds with company matching, most people would have more than enough for retirement right now.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/5/social-security-red-first-time-ever/

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By: Dave James on September 10, 2011
at 2:57 PM
Do you think a handful of raises to CEO’s is why we have 10%+ unemployment? Do you think if we taxed CEO’s 100% of their pay unemployment would drop even 1%?

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By: Anonymous on September 10, 2011
at 12:39 PM
Join the Coffee Party Movement
‎”…If 1 billion dollars is earned by 50,000 everyday people instead of a single, super-wealthy plutocrat, then those 50,000 people will generate a LOT more economic activity because they will spend most of that billion dollars right away.” —Egberto Willies

To stimulate the economy, you need to get jobs to the average person. They then pay their bills and pay taxes, which get gets the economy moving forward. CEO’s got a 27% raise last year, on average.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 10, 2011
at 11:33 AM
Pfessor and many other people are right. The trust fund “lock box” is fiction. The primary difference between Social Security and a criminal Ponzi scheme is the government can print money to pay the late comers. Of course large quantities of new money eventually debase the currency and become the equivalent of counterfeiting, another criminal act when private individuals do it.

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By: James on September 10, 2011
at 11:03 AM
OK – thanks for the info. I did a little research and here’s my understanding.

SS is a classic Ponzi scheme. Originally it was set up that if Raji pays money into the system, Raji’s money goes into an account which can be invested – and of course should be. That money sits in the account, accumulating as investment income rolls in.

Here is how it works now: Raji’s money goes in. It is invested, but the investment income goes to pay Raji’s father. Raji’s kids’ SS taxes go to pay Raji.

Why does this matter? Simple. The ‘trust fund’ does not exist. It is a process of rolling over current money to pay past debts, which means that the security of having your money go to you is gone. What you get paid depends on what they can afford to pay you, when in a REAL trust fund you would know what you paid in, what the investment returned, and therefore what you would be paid out since it is all YOUR money.

The way it is now, this nonexistent “trust fund” is simply an accounting entry, comprised of the difference between what current employees pay in and what current beneficiaries take out.

As I said, this is part and parcel a Ponzi scheme. Immoral, almost certainly illegal since it goes against the original documents setting up SS, and unsustainable, since the baby-boomers will constitute an ever-increasing burden to an ever-smaller group paying IN to the system. Had it been run as it was set up, it would be fine since you would get your own money back. Not this way.

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By: PFesser on September 10, 2011
at 10:21 AM
“there is nothing in the “trust fund” but IOUs. The money is taken out and spent as soon as it is taken in and money for SS comes out of general funds.”- Pfesser

Right and Wrong! The “trust fund” is US Treasury Bonds (IOU’s). SS is not paid out of general funds. SS taxes collected go into the SS fund, SS payments are made from the SS fund. Surplus funds go to the “trust fund” i.e US Treasury bonds. The government is not allowed to borrow SS funds but it can issue Treasury Bonds!!!!

In the case of SS taxes, yes you can say “This dollar is SS money” because it does not go into the general fund.

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By: Raji on September 10, 2011
at 9:43 AM
clarification: last line second paragraph. “money to pay out SS benefits on an ongoing basis comes out of general funds.”

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By: PFesser on September 10, 2011
at 9:27 AM
Well, Raji, I guess it depends on how you define your terms. To my understanding, there was supposed to be a “Social Security Trust Fund” – a “lock box” they called it, into which SS taxes collected were supposed to go. The money could of course be invested, but there should be a journal entry in the SS fund showing that investment as an asset.

Of course, money is fungible – which means it’s all the same, so you can’t say “This dollar is SS money and this dollar is Park Service money” but to my understanding there is nothing in the “trust fund” but IOUs. The money is taken out and spent as soon as it is taken in and money for SS comes out of general funds.

That is not just an academic exercise. In private industry you would go to jail for taking your employees’ pension money and spending it – replacing each dollar taken with an IOU and a promise to pay at a later date. You have to have actual, tangible assets – not just a promise.

Is that how you understand it works, or am I mis-informed?

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By: PFesser on September 10, 2011
at 9:24 AM
Social Security is not broke nor is it a Ponzi scheme.

Currently more funds are paid in to Social Security than is being paid out. All surplus funds are invested in low risk US Treasury bonds. It is predicted that by 2037 funds being paid in will not exceed funds being paid out. At that point Social Security may only be able to pay out 75% if the invested surplus funds are not available.

At some point the Federal government will have to pay on the Treasury Bonds that have been issued. It is becoming apparent that the Fed may not have the funds available (money has already been spent!) when bonds are matured.

China has purchased US Treasury Bonds which are considered low risk based on the wealth of the USA and it’s ability to honor it’s debts. If the Fed can’t meet it’s obligations in the future to Social Security then it also can not meet it’s debt to China. Herein lies the problem! Not Social Security!

My question is if the government does away with the Social Security program what happens to the Treasury Bonds that represent invested surplus funds (which has already been spent by the Fed)? Maybe this is how they plan to pay China?

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By: Raji on September 10, 2011
at 9:12 AM
I report –

An accountant friend of mine told me over twenty years ago that she had done some back-of-the-envelope calculations and that if every person in America who paid into Social Security were required instead put their money in investment-grade bonds (very safe), almost every SS recipient would be a millionaire by retirement age.

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By: PFesser on September 10, 2011
at 8:35 AM
Anonymous, another difference is unlike a confidence man, our government can print money.

I believe that money helped pay for LBJ’s War on Poverty, the Vietnam War, the post office, FEMA, and any other program the government has created. Our leaders assumed they would be dead or retired before the bills came due. The bill collector is now knocking no our door.

At 8:49AM Sept 9, I quoted a New York Times impression of Sarah Palin’s Ames speech. She said we face an interlocking conglomerate of big business, big government, and other elites of both parties.

We are either on their side or we are not. We will sit back and complain, or we will educate ourselves and try to stop them. The damage they are doing to our country has become harder to hide. Not to be overly dramatic, but in a sense, we are headed toward flight 93, when passengers stormed the cock pit and probably smashed through the door with a refreshment cart. Unlike those folks, we can storm the gates with votes.

Failing that, I believe if trends continue, people, left or right will be singing with Foster the People, “you’d better run, better run, out run my gun.”

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By: James on September 10, 2011
at 8:34 AM
President Obama talks to the people while Eric Cantor whines.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/obama-takes-it-people-eric-cantor-whines

Social Security: We need to increase to 180,000 the amount of wages which pays into Social Security. People making a million a year, only pay Social Security tax on the first 105,000. This one fix would stablize SS.

Everyone needs to help, not just the poor and shrinking middle class.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 10, 2011
at 8:22 AM
The only issue I take, and it is a minor one, is that a ponzi scheme is presented as an investment with the purpose to make its investors money, other than that it fits.

I am more interested in getting answers to where the hell is the money that is supposed to be there. The social security bank was robbed and someone needs to be held accountable and that money returned.

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By: Anonymous on September 10, 2011
at 7:23 AM
Here is the definition of “Ponzi scheme” from Wikipedia:

“A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors, not from any actual profit earned by the organization, but from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors. The Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering returns other investments cannot guarantee, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors to keep the scheme going.

The system is destined to collapse because the earnings, if any, are less than the payments to investors.”

Boys and girls, if Social Security doesn’t fit this description right down to the last nut and bolt, I don’t know what does.

When we go to vote next year, we need to realize that, as one pundit put it, we are not electing the prom king here. It is not a popularity contest, no matter how appealing one candidate or another is. This is as serious as it gets. Any businessman or woman would be put in jail for life for perpetrating the kinds of fraud that our elected officials perpetrate EVERY DAY. For God’s sake – let’s think about what we are doing come election time.

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By: pfesser53 on September 10, 2011
at 7:04 AM
Chris Mathews, on Hard Ball asked Republican strategist Todd Harris: “How does a Republican Deal with the fact that it IS a Ponzi scheme, in the sense that the money paid out every day is coming from people who paid in that day?”

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By: James on September 10, 2011
at 6:50 AM
Thanks Anonymous. We are proud of both of our children. Yes, they do deserve a pat on the back.

I report, you decide, I don’t know much about oil companies, but I know they have made a lot of money as the article says. Why have they shed 11,200 jobs in the US and over 4,000 world wide? A profitable operation should be expanding and hiring more people. I can think of reasons why one wouldn’t, but what is the story with oil companies?

Party Piper, Wisconsin produced those new politicians for a reason. The old ones weren’t doing their jobs well. Already, some school districts are benefiting from new rules passed by the Scot Walker administration.

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By: James on September 10, 2011
at 6:36 AM
Hey! We defer to the Mondales and the Humphries who have run our state in the past. Michelle is just plain embarassing, and T-Paw would have been okay if he’d actually decided to be a moderate Republican. We comfort ourselves by telling ourselves it could be worse. Wisconsin produced Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Reince Preibus et al. You know you’re in trouble as a party when the Green Bay Packers call you out for being a douchebag, Scotty.

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By: Party Piper on September 9, 2011
at 10:29 PM
Oil Companies are making record profits. They have enormous tax breaks which the US Citizens pay for. The barrel price shot up and so did the price of gasoline. Now the barrel price has gone down to 90.00 but the price is still up there AND RECORD PROFITS!!!!! TAX BREAKS!!!! Did I mention Tax Breaks.

Did you notice that they are cutting jobs in the US??? Yep – sure are – 11,000 of them. I think we need to stop the tax breaks.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/09/1015045/-Big-oil-companies-make-huge-profits-with-taxpayer-support-but-cut-jobs%C2%A0anyway?via=blog_1

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 9, 2011
at 9:59 PM
Another deeply lonely night for Tex. So sad.

Multitasking – football, laptop in lap.

It’s the damn oil companies that are paying for a large part of the development, its called algae fuel, and it consists of a hellavu lot more technically than sun, water, and a feedstock of wet algae.

Really neat idea – and years away from mass production. And it might produce a fraction of the hydrocarbons America will use in the next 25 years. Maybe.

This oil company conspiracy crap humors the heck out of me. Petroleum companies are without doubt the most efficient producer of finished product in America. Nobody even comes close. They sell a gallon of gas at an average of perhaps a dime a gallon markup. Your fed and state gov’t will take five times that in excises taxes alone.

Tell you one thing M&H has taught me. There are a lot more people completely devoid of facts who vote in America than I ever imagined.

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By: Dave James on September 9, 2011
at 8:37 PM
Another deeply lonely night for Tex. So sad.

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 7:33 PM
Funny thing is there is a fascinating study going on where they collect algae in tubes and are converting it into oil or gas whatever. All it takes is tubes, water and sun. No destroying Gulfs, land or animal life. To bad the oil companies own congress and great ideas are stifled from the get go

Good grief. 🙄

Do you have any idea how much gasoline America uses in a single day “Debbie”? Try approximately 400,000,000 million gallons of gas a day, and that doesn’t include diesel, motor, jet fuel, or a host of other derivatives.

Test tubes? 😆

You can’t make this stuff up.

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By: Dave James on September 9, 2011
at 6:17 PM
Debbie, welcome to the porch!

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By: delurkergurl on September 9, 2011
at 6:04 PM
[…] posts are rare these days, but the octogenarians still pack a punch. Helen’s take on Goodhair Perry and Googly Eyes Bachmann: [S]ee if you can follow the […]

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By: Cheers and Jeers: Rum and Coke FRIDAY! | Hotspyer – Breaking News from around the web on September 9, 2011
at 6:04 PM
James, have to give your kid a pat on the back for sticking with it.

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 1:18 PM
ouch more bad news

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/banking/story/2011-09-09/bank-of-america-job-cuts/50334318/1?loc=interstitialskip%3Fcsp%3Dfbfanpagehttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fmoney%2Findustries%2Fbanking%2Fstory%2F2011-09-09%2Fbank-of-america-job-cuts%2F50334318%2F1%3Floc%3Dinterstitialskip%3Fcsp%3Dfbfanpage

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 12:34 PM
Interesting video for those wondering about Ron Paul

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 11:27 AM
I like your attitude. Maybe this will amuse you. Our son’s first temp job was programing cell phones for Radio Shack. Times were hard in San Jose during the Christmas of 2002.

While our son worked during the two week Christmas season, they had only one customer. A man asked about the Friends and Family policy. A clerk explained it, and the man asked if it applied to Venus. “No” replied the clerk. “Then, I’m not interested.”

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By: James on September 9, 2011
at 11:03 AM
If I remember right in my area we have 6 people applying for every job available according to our chronicle. I would say that number much higher for skilled positions. I never really got out of IT, been doing it on the side for ages. I have been looking along the lines you suggest, searching for a need and finding a way to fill that need and make some money. Things are tight for everyone though. People find ways to do things themselves that they once paid for. At $10 an acre I still have to work to find more than a handful of mowing jobs each week. Somehow, someway, we will make it. These will be the days I tell my grandchildren about how, like my grandmother told me, to teach us things like humility, not wasting what you have, family, and self reliance.

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 10:38 AM
Debbie Couslely, no less a notable than liberal Nobel prize winner, (?) Samuelson said in 1967 that Social Security is like a ponzi scheme, and he was defending the entitlement. He noted that as the working population continued to grow there would always be a supply of new workers to pay for retirees.

He is only one of many who have made the same observation. Social Security in its present form is not sustainable because people tend to live longer and Social Security pays more benefits. Moreover, too few young people are alive to support the old. I don’t know if Perry wants to get rid of Social Security or not, but other thinkers and politicians want to change it without destroying it.

The AP fact checked Obama’s speech and found inaccuracies. The stock market fell today showing traders’ discomforture with the speech.

No disrespect intended, Debbie, but you ought to follow your own advice and not believe what you see on television or purely liberal blogs.

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By: James on September 9, 2011
at 10:31 AM
Hi Helen,
It is wonderful to hear from YOU!! I have seen your blog has been hijacked by a lot of people who believe what they see on TV. Did you watch the republican debate the other night? HA Oh my goodness, there wasn’t one person up there who is Presidential material. Perry of course really stuck his foot in his mouth when he called the Social Security system a ponnzi scheme. I guess no one told him that a large voting group are the elderly on Social Security..that’s OK. Good way to get rid of him. The hairdo lady thinks there’s no such thing as global warming. Gee wonder if this being the hottest year on record means anything..oh I get it, Texas is on fire cause GOD has found a way to get rid of Perry. The intensity of the storms traveling up the east coast has nothing to do with global change either..wonder if all the folks swimming in there living rooms agree. WE were told years ago that all this would happen, but no one wanted to believe it. Ah the heck with it…lets DRILL, Drill, Drill some more..heck now we want to work in the everglades. Guess screwing up Alaska and the polar bears dying isn’t enough. Funny thing is there is a fascinating study going on where they collect algae in tubes and are converting it into oil or gas whatever. All it takes is tubes, water and sun. No destroying Gulfs, land or animal life. To bad the oil companies own congress and great ideas are stifled from the get go. Anyway, Keep pushing Helen..every time
I read your blog it gives me hope that there are other intelligent people still out there!!

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By: Debbie Coulsey on September 9, 2011
at 9:53 AM
Anon, it wouldn’t be as good as a college class, but could you up grade your computer skills via self education?

Our son graduated in 2002, and he was not able to find a lasting job until 2004. He moved to San Jose, and at the time, most IT people were learning to sell real estate. Our son had worked as a temp during summers when he was in college. He was a temp for most of the two years after graduation.

I know that in some parts of the country, temp jobs are also hard to find, so this is just a suggestion.

As you look around, can you see something people need which they aren’t getting? Could you start a family cleaning service, a be a “rent a husband” dog walker, tuter, etc.? I am just throwing rotten apples at the wall and watching for something to stick.

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By: James on September 9, 2011
at 9:14 AM
The 6:42AM comment was mine.

Mort Zukerman said Obama should have secretly negotiated a jobs plan before his speech. A few days before Obama spoke, Sarah Palin talked in Iowa.

Sarah Palin spoke in Ames. Most of her speech was typical boilerplate about the “lamestream media, bad Obama, etc.

Anand Giridharadas of the New York Times titled his column “Some of Sarah Palin’s Ideas Cross the Political Divide.” “If Sarah Palin surfaced to say something intelligent and wise and fresh about the present American condition, many of us would fail to hear it.”

“… so here is something I never thought I would write a column about Sarah Palin’s ideas.”

“She made three interlocking points. First, that the United States is now governmed by a ‘permanent political class’, drawn from both parties, that is increasingly cut off from the concerns of regular people. Second, that these Republicans and Democrats have allied with big business to mutual advantage to create what she called ‘corporate crony capitalism.’ Third, that the real political divide in the United States may no longer be between friends and foes of Big Government, but between friends and foes of vast, remote unaccountable institutions (both public and private.)

Yes, Mageen, “Its a jungle out there…” Welcome to the new norm.

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By: James on September 9, 2011
at 8:49 AM
We have millions unemployed and those who got elected saying, JOBS, JOBS, JOBS have spent more time on abortion and gay rights than JOBS JOBS. JOBS!

This is just beautiful!!!!!! Thank You President Obama.

But what we can’t do – what I won’t do – is let this economic crisis be used as an excuse to wipe out the basic protections that Americans have counted on for decades. I reject the idea that we need to ask people to choose between their jobs and their safety. I reject the argument that says for the economy to grow, we have to roll back protections that ban hidden fees by credit card companies, or rules that keep our kids from being exposed to mercury, or laws that prevent the health insurance industry from shortchanging patients. I reject the idea that we have to strip away collective bargaining rights to compete in a global
economy. We shouldn’t be in a race to the bottom, where we try to offer the cheapest labor and the worst pollution standards. America should be in a race to the top. And I believe that’s a race we can win. In fact, this larger notion that the only thing we can do to restore prosperity is just dismantle government, refund everyone’s money, let everyone write their own rules, and tell everyone they’re on their own – that’s not who we are. That’s not the story of America. Yes, we are rugged individualists. Yes, we are strong and self-reliant. And it has been the drive and initiative of our workers and entrepreneurs that has made this economy the engine and envy of the world.
But there has always been another thread running throughout our history – a belief that we are all connected; and that there are some things we can only do together, as a nation.
We all remember Abraham Lincoln as the leader who saved our Union. But in the middle of a Civil War, he was also a leader who looked to the future – a Republican president who mobilized government to build the transcontinental railroad; launch the National Academy of Sciences; and set up the first land grant colleges. And leaders of both parties have followed the example he set.
Ask yourselves – where would we be right now if the people who sat here before us decided not to build our highways and our bridges; our dams and our airports? What would this country be like if we had chosen not to spend money on public high schools, or research universities, or community colleges? Millions of returning heroes, including my grandfather, had the opportunity to go to school because of the GI Bill. Where would we be if they hadn’t had that chance?
How many jobs would it have cost us if past Congresses decided not to support the basic research that led to the Internet and the computer chip? What kind of country would this be if this Chamber had voted down Social Security or Medicare just because it violated some rigid idea about what government could or could not do? How many Americans would have suffered as a result?
No single individual built America on their own. We built it together. We have been, and always will be, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all; a nation with responsibilities to ourselves and with responsibilities to one another. Members of Congress, it is time for us to meet our responsibility.

PASS THE PRESIDENT’S JOBS BILL!!!! It is time to really consider JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 9, 2011
at 8:39 AM
Unfortunately my skill is very niche oriented. I designed a lamination process, not in high demand skill set. Prior to running my own business these past 9 years I did IT work, but that was back in the day of netware 4.11, so I am very dated. I also did sales for a number of years for Coca-Cola.

The area I am in has been dealt one blow after another and shows little signs of recovery. Of my siblings and parents for that matter I was the most successful and was the person everyone came to for financial help. Parents are in low rent housing, living on social security, siblings rent, so there is little room for options. Dad went 5 days with a burst appendix before seeing his doctor a bit over a year ago and has had scores of health issues as a result. Mom is on full time oxygen for almost 6 months now and as I understand it causes the lungs to crystallize eventually leading to death.

I think once the Parents pass moving will have to happen. I enjoy being a business owner too much to be an employee for long so I plan on making that a reality again.

The Presidents speech saddened me. He did a good job of being Presidential, made a nice political speech, but when you look at the words in depth, they fall short. More spending, more debt, and what I see so far will produce little long term benefits. If this passes, along with Obama care, the tab will come due in 2013-2014 and we will all be getting our tail ends handed to us. I predict $4.50-$5 gas, $3,000 an Oz gold which means a falling dollar. Unemployment will still be 9-11% and people in need will be at all time highs while the money to help them will be at all time lows. Eventually I think sooner than later we will reach a tipping point and people will rise up. I hold out little hope that this will be a positive experience.

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 8:22 AM
Could not view debate last night or anything else due to the two storms that hit our area simultaneously. From all that I can tell this A.M., even if it was St. Francis of Assissi appearing before a joint session of Congress, he and it would have been panned by the ReBiblicans.

Saw a help wanted sign on the door of a business the other day. Went inside to inquire if an application was available as I knew someone who could use it. Was told that the sign was meaningless as it was installed quite some time ago and was just never removed. But people kept comng in honestly looking for work. Wonder if the crew inside got their yuks for the day out of this.

Its a jungle out there. Really.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 9, 2011
at 7:53 AM
A very good article on the President’s speech. With the punch line being “Today’s Congress cannot bind a later one on future spending.”

http://www.freep.com/article/20110909/NEWS15/109090487/How-Obama-s-jobs-speech-claims-compare-facts

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 6:47 AM
Anon, do you know if the job you are trained for is more in demand in other parts of the country, or in your region? Do you live in a high unemployment area? If the worst happened, could your family move in and help a set of parents? My wife’s family did that years ago to help her grandmother when they outgrew their small house.

North Dakota has about a 3.5% unemployment rate. Nebraska’s is 4.5% to 5%. It would be impractable, and in your circumstance not possible, but if you had a good job offer, you could move to the job and eventually move your family within a few years.

I didn’t hear Obama’s speech, but after the end, I heard two economists on CBS say none of his suggestions will change the short term job situation and finding $450 (?) billion to pay for it will be a problem.

That was cold, I report…My cousin lives in Austin.

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 6:42 AM
Goddamn it, alaskapi – you’re all right. My wife and I are planning to visit Anchorage hopefully next spring. If you are anywhere close, I’d like to buy you breakfast.

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By: PFesser on September 9, 2011
at 5:25 AM
I Report, you surprise me. I never figured even you would advocate for people to burn for political points.

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By: Anonymous on September 9, 2011
at 4:50 AM
Texas Governor Rick Perry cut volunteer fighter fire fighter funds by 70% during a major drought. Then monster fires occur and he cries to FEMA to put them out. Hell NO – cut that, cut, cut, cut — PRAY, PRAY, PRAY — Shit, President Obama, Please send help!!!!!! Pretty Please!!!!! Send Help Immediately!!!!!!! This is an emergency!!!!!
Typical Republican.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/while-praying-to-god-for-rain-to-put.html

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 8, 2011
at 10:07 PM
Well, I’ll give you 2 comments UAW.

1-It takes forever to load so I quit trying.
2-The name of it pisses me off as much as all the other gratuitous nasty pieces of slime Americans are so fond of throwing at each other , lately combined with the die-slime-die routine which ticks me off even more.

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By: alaskapi on September 8, 2011
at 9:00 PM
now that was a real stretch….still no comments about….

Everybody I heard involved in the game, laughed at it when commenting. Lib desperation and whining, venting their rage. It’s good for their complexion and their heart.

The Obama Jobs speech sounded an awfully like a ShamWow commercial as I noted on another blog. Pitiful in substance, devoid of details, campaign stumping reading from the teleprompter to teleprompter. Watching Obama give a speech is like viewing somebody watching a tennis match. Paid for? With what? More Bernacke money?

What the people involved in the game ought to do is sue for royalties from each viewing.

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By: Dave James on September 8, 2011
at 6:53 PM
Ron Paul was pretty close on gas only costing a dime…….melt value of a Mercury dime is $3.06……..

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By: uawtradesman on September 8, 2011
at 6:34 PM
now that was a real stretch….still no comments about….

http://teapartyzombiesmustdie.com/

I can’t get passed Glen…..

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By: uawtradesman on September 8, 2011
at 6:20 PM
Moving might have to be an option though with much difficulty. My wife’s best friend is her mother, and both our families have lived in this area since the early1800’s. Both my parents have rapidly failing health and I don’t expect either to be here in 3 years. For now it would be impractical for family and financial reasons (declared bankruptcy on our business which we were all in financially on) to move. I deliver a local shoppers guide and cart my mower around in the van to keep us in diapers and formula and we do get some state food assistance, so we not going hungry.

I agree wholeheartedly about business. What it takes to keep one going and the obstacles that are constantly being put in place you would think the city and state are sometimes trying to drive you away. More at the state than local level but it is amazing sometimes how fewer inspections I would get when I donated to city events than when I did not.

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By: Anonymous on September 8, 2011
at 6:12 PM
uawtradesman at September 8, 2011 at 8:36 AM

Someone posted that video at Rutherford’s blog. I thought it was funny, but in keeping perspective, I thought the GOP required more attention and care. I countered with this one. 😆

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By: poolman on September 8, 2011
at 5:57 PM
I can tell you from personal experience the system does a lot for anyone with any dignity to not be in the system for long. From the personal questions they ask, always assuming dishonesty, to the way they talk to you and look at you, they are well trained at making you feel like a failure and a second class citizen.

I’m sorry about your situation. I have a neighbor who just lost her house (a widow) and she is 75 years old. Won’t even let me buy her groceries and we’ve been friends for years. You are in no way a failure, as she is no failure. You are a victim of circumstance – circumstances which you didn’t help to create.

And it is a damn shame that our corporate system is situated making it so difficult for small business, the largest segment of American employment. Frankly, I have no idea how most small businesses stay in business. Highest corporate taxes in the world, regulated to the hilt, matching payroll taxes, state and local taxes?

You’re right. What we have now is not working.

Why we cannot get help is a mystery to me.

You didn’t state where you live and I won’t ask. Is moving not an option?

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By: Dave James on September 8, 2011
at 5:48 PM
Anon, I know it wasn’t a plea for help. I am just a do gooder.

A news report said our area is in an emergency situation because closed roads and long detours have slowed deliveries of food to charitable organizations. That is combined with more people who need the service.

I asked our county economic director. She said our area has what is called West Central Community Action. Other places may have comparable government organizations. They may be able to get lower utility rates, and other deals for you. A ministerial association might be able to something similar, and they may know of places charging lower rent.

She suggested Salvation Army and United Way as possible sources of information for deals on utilities etc, though you said the ones in your neighborhood are broke. Maybe they could suggest other places you could look.

The director also suggested finding all of the food pantries and similar places within driving distance. Several might let you stop. If you are a veteran, you can get aid.

We know some people in worse shape than you. We didn’t do anything anyone else here wouldn’t do, but we bought them groceries once or twice because they had no food in the house. We bought them a car battery so one of them could attend a job fair in Omaha. Our financial contributions have pretty well ended now because the flood will sap our finances to an unknown extent.

Good luck. Please let us know how you are doing.

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By: James on September 8, 2011
at 3:25 PM
I have gone to the salvation army and red cross, both are out of money. I have gone to Love inc, also out of money. We go to the food drives, we have a few in our area, lot of outdated and spoiled food but we get by. But none of that pays the rent, heat, and electric.

This really wasn’t a plea for help. God never gives us more than we can handle, I just wish sometimes he didn’t have so much faith in me. It was more to point out if money is so tight that someone in my situation doesn’t qualify for assistance, things in this country are really bad and we need to wake up as a nation and deal with it.

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By: Anonymous on September 8, 2011
at 2:24 PM
I hope you can find something. Maybe there is a program you don’t know about. Have you talked to a local church? Maybe a social welfare person? A radio station? I don’t know. Our church has a food bank. A food bank might help you a little. When I get time, i will ask around for suggestions.

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By: James on September 8, 2011
at 1:24 PM
The sentiments are appreciated but my main point is from someone on the end need of assistance, the system to me seems broke. I have never asked for assistance in my life, and when I need it most it isn’t there for me and my family. Our lot rent is $326 a month and we are told we cannot get assistance because it is unsustainable. I am not sure where they expect people to live but I doubt we will be able to find housing for cheaper.

I can tell you from personal experience the system does a lot for anyone with any dignity to not be in the system for long. From the personal questions they ask, always assuming dishonesty, to the way they talk to you and look at you, they are well trained at making you feel like a failure and a second class citizen.

Why we cannot get help is a mystery to me. Maybe because we are not a minority, maybe because of my lack of knowledge of the system and how to manipulate it, who knows. I just know we were 100% upfront with our situation, our resources, and our need. If things have gotten so bad that a family of 3 living in a 32 year old trailer with zero income, zero prospects (113 job apps in as of today) driving a 1990 cargo van and a 1985 pos do not qualify for help, then we I really feel for those who have it worse than us that do qualify.

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By: Anonymous on September 8, 2011
at 12:55 PM
The numbers are right, of course, but if you travel back to say, 1960 and watch our government slowly grow through the sixties and beyond, you will see a pattern of slow change which was a continuation of what went before. It was so slow that nothing really alarmed many people. Now, we have reached critical mass.

Anon, I am also sorry for your plight. Its awful.

Pfessor, “Whatever it takes” covers a lot of ground. A group of businessmen tried to enlist the American Legion and a war hero to stage a coup against FDR. Farmers were in virtual insurrection and tried to lynch several judges about the same time. John Kerry allegedly attended a meeting of anti- war activists who debated the efficacy of assassinating a US senator. Kerry argued against it. Such violence and worse is possible.

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By: James on September 8, 2011
at 12:30 PM
recession OR depression, not of. My bad.

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By: PFesser on September 8, 2011
at 11:52 AM
Anon @ 11:35. Really, really sorry to hear that. Your situation is exactly what I’m talking about, though. What our govt is doing is NOT working. I believe the President and most of his staff are well-intentioned, but what your Mom told you is right. You can’t just keep spending and borrowing and that’s what our govt is doing. It has to stop. Has to.

I believe we are definitely in recession of depression, no matter what Washington says. They jigger the numbers so the politicians don’t look bad; I don’t believe a word they say. Greenspan changed the way they calculate inflation: it excludes food, fuel and several other things, which is to say the things we buy most. Just crazy. Our GDP includes government spending, which is like taking water our of one end of the pool and pouring it in the other and saying the pool is rising.

It has to stop. Whatever it takes.

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By: PFesser on September 8, 2011
at 11:51 AM
Here is reality. For 25 years I have worked my tail off. I averaged 60+ hours a week. For half that time I held 2 jobs working 70-90 hours and for 1.5 years help 3 jobs, getting 40-44 hours in by Wednesday and no days off for that year and a half. Flash forward to today. Due to the economy, my business had to close down, I am out of work, benefits have run out, I lost my home and live in a trailer park. We are 3 months behind on rent and we can get no help from the state in rent assistance for myself, wife and child. Our “official” unemployment is over 10% but the real unemployment is over 25%. The demand for jobs is so high our McDonalds can require an associates degree or higher for consideration for a job to flip burgers. Say what you will but what we have today is not working.

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By: Anonymous on September 8, 2011
at 11:35 AM
I disagree with the increments part James. As posted by Dave James,

“Bush administration ran up deficits of $158 billion in 2002; $378 billion in 2003; and $413 billion in 2004. Then, with revenues pouring in, the deficits began to fall: $318 billion in 2005; $248 billion in 2006; and $161 billion in 2007. That 2007 deficit, with the tax cuts in effect, was one-tenth of today’s $1.6 trillion deficit.”

Since Obama came into office he has been increasing the debt by more than $1 Trillion per year, every year. This is a radical increase by any measure.

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By: Anonymous on September 8, 2011
at 11:12 AM
Actually, we got here by increments. Just a little adjustment here, and a new spending program there didn’t change much by themselves. Over time we,. suddenly discovered we were in a new world. Obama and other liberals did take a radical shift, but they were building on what went before.

I don’t think we can survive in our present form for another four years. I will swallow my principals and vote whomever can win, even if it is Rick Perry, Michael Bloomberg or Hillary Clinton.

I also don’t believe our present candidates will be more than a holding action against the trend. Drastically changing how we do things will be like withdrawing from cocaine. It will be destructive, painful, and necessary. I don’t think the majority is ready for the short term damage.

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By: James on September 8, 2011
at 10:56 AM
Cynthia’s mustache comment reminded me of Art Fern, Johnny Carson’s character with the fork in the road.

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By: James on September 8, 2011
at 10:40 AM
When the content of your opinion on a candidate is making up names or commenting on their appearance, nothing else you have to say has any weight.

I agree with Pfesser that just a little left or right isn’t going to cut it. A radical got us into this mess, and it will take a radical shift to get us out of this mess.

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By: Anonymous on September 8, 2011
at 10:23 AM
I haven’t made up my mind but the way I see it, firstly all the crazies are out. That means Bachmann, Perry, Palin for sure. Newt is a complete no. Huntsman and Romney are more of the same. I believe that Obama has really made an extremely serious mistake by trying to print our way out with money and if he gets back in it will be more of the same. Everybody looks the same to me, just a little to the right or left of what we are already doing, and that just ain’t going to cut it.

Americans are doing *their* job. They are working their asses off, trying to educate their kids, paying their taxes. It’s their government that is killing them. Anybody who has raised a family or owned a credit card knows you can’t just keep spending and then try to cover it with more borrowing. Paul is the only one saying we have to stop covering the world’s security problems with our own military and the taxpayers’ money. He makes sense to me and the others seem like more of the same.

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By: PFesser on September 8, 2011
at 10:03 AM
I would go with Huntsman also. When asked if he would pledge to the TBaggers he said something like – he would only pledge to protect the US Constitution which IMO is the correct answer. I give them credit for not asking stupid flag pin questions.

Perry – Slick Rick or Slicky Ricky! Just needs one of those tiny straight mustaches to go with his pin striped suit and hair parted down the middle. And just to be more catty who did Bachman’s hair?

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 8, 2011
at 10:01 AM
Pfesser- Ron Paul worries the daylights out of me. Don’t have time today to say all the whys- will come back in next few days and say why.
Craig and Val- safe trip, take care, lots of best wishes winging your way from aK.

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By: alaskapi on September 8, 2011
at 9:30 AM
I didn’t see the debate, but from what I have heard of him, I agree NOP.

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By: James on September 8, 2011
at 9:26 AM
If I was a Republican and I was voting in the primaries, I’d have to go with John Huntsman, he is the only one who made sense.

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By: No One's Puppet on September 8, 2011
at 9:14 AM
That is funny uawtradesman. Thanks.

I know a little about Dorothy Gray. She would have been like the Mormon who established a communistic society in our county when the Mormons were preparing to move to Utah. It turned out badly with the leader barely escaping with his life.

For me, it is a No to Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, and Dorothy Gray.

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By: James on September 8, 2011
at 8:57 AM
Read Ayn Rand in my undergrad days. Depressinggggg! This jive about everyone for theirselves, tooth and claw individualism just doesn’t work for me. Also read Dorothy Day. Know about her? Very, very interesting comparison here. Translation: that would be a No on Ron Paul.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 8, 2011
at 8:41 AM
LMAO….

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By: uawtradesman on September 8, 2011
at 8:36 AM
It was I again. Poolman wrote he is seriously considering Ron Paul. He can tell you more than any of us.

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By: James on September 8, 2011
at 8:11 AM
We don’t have cable, and we were busy, so we didn’t watch.

If I were a girl on a blind date with Rick Perry, I would excuse myself, head for the rest room and climb out the window.

However, he is right about Social Security. It IS a Ponzi scheme. The trust fund is an illusion. The money has already been spent, and all Social Security has is a pile of IOUs. Current workers are paying retired seniors’ bills. The money retirees contributed is long gone. Most people get more out of Social Security than they paid into it, but the younger you are, the less you will get over the long term.

The Congressional Budget Office said the trust fund does “not represent any real stock of resources set aside to pay for benefits in the future.” It is merely a ledger entry.

A band of anti- war leftists in a past message board looked seriously at Ron Paul five or six years ago. He is smart, and many of his economic theories seem sound. I may be thinking of someone else, but I believe he would change or end the Federal Reserve, because it is a cabal of bankers not really part of our government.

I think Paul is not above bringing pork into his district, so like most politicians, he will break his own rules. He also is an isolationist which the anti- war folks liked. He would bring all of our soldiers home, I think.

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By: Anonymous on September 8, 2011
at 8:09 AM
My so-called “me time” in the evenings just ain’t there any more so all I got of the GOP debate was snippets here and there but with my ulcers, it was more than enough. Romney for me is a no-go. He is Wall Street, not Main Street. His record of job creation involving buying out companies, then completely unemploying that work force followed by hiring back only what amounted a skeleton crew without benefits leaves me Arctic. Perry? OMG. I had a blind date in college with a guy just like him, too folksy to be true. Would not buy a car, new or used, from this guy. And if he thinks Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, has he taken himself out of that system? All hat and no cattle! From what I saw I did not get any kind of a picture of the other debaters at all. Were they actually there or were they represented by holograms?

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 8, 2011
at 7:11 AM
I hate to stir the pot too much, but has anyone taken a *serious* look at Ron Paul, and if so, what do you think?

He came within a couple hundred votes of Michele Bachmann in the straw poll – a VERY close second – and was completely ignored by the media.

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By: PFesser on September 8, 2011
at 6:30 AM
Did anyone watch the debate?

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By: anybodycare on September 7, 2011
at 9:09 PM
If anyone is interested in looking google Missouri River Flooding 2011. The link didn’t work for me.

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By: James on September 7, 2011
at 7:51 PM
Right back at you Craig, and you too Meegan in Virginny.

Missouri River Flooding 2011 lee Valley on google search, or
http://leevalley.net/Aug 28 page l.htm

“As I posted pictures (from his airplane) tonight for Scott and typed August 28, I realized the first set of pictures were taken on May 28. So many lives have been affected in the last three months. I would like to dedicate these pictures tonight to all of you. May God Bless you as we all begin to rebuild what has been destroyed.”

The water is receding and most should be gone by mid to late October. It looks worse as the water goes away. A few houses, propane tanks and other debries set in the middle of fields.

Many farms will not produce a crop next year. I’m more certain of that as the land reappears. The jury is still out on our farm since it is still under several feet of water.

If anyone needs sand our neighborhood has plenty of it.

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By: James on September 7, 2011
at 7:48 PM
Donna..
Thanks for the kind words earlier in the month….
Howdy and Shout outs to Meegan in Virginny as well as PFesser and James

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By: Craig on September 7, 2011
at 3:40 PM
You ladies rule! The Minnesota I lived in wouldn’t have wiped its nose on the likes of Bachmann. WTF?

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By: Baldrz on September 7, 2011
at 3:37 PM
On our way to Oncologist in Dallas tomorrow at OH GOD thirty…

But wanted to say I hope that Perry can or will show up despite the fires in Texas. He’s brash..Loud..but he gets things done. He’s been reelected in Texas enough that a lot of people here think highly of him.

NOw if Palin would just SUp…and just enjoy the bus ride around the country. We have debates to watch and people to hold accountable.

And Obama will have more streets and highways to repair..Potholes..wow..there is job creation….?

As for Hoffa….I think the acorn nut has not fallen far from the tree.
Gangsta to the hilt.

My rant for the day…
🙂

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By: Craig on September 7, 2011
at 3:28 PM
Alaskapi, I bet there is some sort of service or outfit that can find that old magazine for you. What blew me away was that I found it in a public library in a town full of Democrats. Would not have been so wowed if it had been otherwise. I would say it was a very, very “vivid” read inasmuch as the authors ate their bait alive without any sort of discretion or table manners but I have come to understand that is the way with them. They flat out eat their own and sometimes even in public.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 7, 2011
at 12:40 PM
a new topic for Helen to comment on…..beside Hoffa wanting to “take those sons of bitches(tea partyers)out”….didn’t his dad get “taken out”….

http://mrctv.org/videos/video-game-allows-players-slaughter-tea-party-zombies-sarah-palin-and-bill-oreilly

play game at

http://teapartyzombiesmustdie.com/

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By: uawtradesman on September 7, 2011
at 11:54 AM
You had me going on the first sentence Dave James, until I figured it out.

We need another James here- Jesse. One of his gang members had a photo shop in my home town, and people still tell stories about the James gang. Two members of the Hole in the Wall gang are buried in our county.

If they were alive today, they would probably be Chicago aldermen or administration “czars.”

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By: James on September 7, 2011
at 11:44 AM
By the way, we have two James. There’s the informed James, and then there is the fabricator James “Solidarity” Kessler. That comment above was for the latter.

Mea culpa.

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By: Dave James on September 7, 2011
at 11:30 AM
James, your post is entirely a fabrication. Dishonesty to the max.

Sorry, David, the last 30 years has proved one thing…that the Republicans “trickle down” is BS.

Really? Then perhaps you can explain the longest period of sustained growth in American history from 1981-2007, besides a short and small recession in 1990-1991. Perhaps you can explain why during the Reagan Administration, 17 trillion dollars of new worth was created. Perhaps you can explain why Bill Clinton and Robert Rubin continued the policy of “supply side” economics?

If you give money to the rich it does not trickle down to the rest of us. And if Bush’s tax policies were so beneficial to the middle class and the poor then why is that it was during his Presidency that all the jobs were lost?

I’ve corrected you loons so many times, I’m getting tired of doing it. Jobs were lost twice. Once during Clinton’s tech bubble which can no more be blame on Bush than you can blame the real estate bubble on Obama. Then, during the real estate fiasco. And it was government meddling and their benefiting cronies in the banking industry that caused that to begin with, as the economy could not bear over $2 trillion dollars in bad mortgages. See Fannie and Freddie – tied to the hip of the Democratic party.

For once, you might try to wrap your head around the real statistics and the real facts James. Let’s try this again and please set these to memory so you don’t appear so woefully uninformed next time:

Revenues fell in Bush’s first two years because of a combination of the tech bust and the start of the tax cuts. But then things took off. After taking in $1.782 trillion in tax revenues in 2003, the government collected $1.88 trillion in 2004; $2.153 trillion in 2005; $2.406 trillion in 2006; and $2.567 trillion in 2007, according to figures compiled by the Office of Management and Budget. That’s a 44 percent increase from 2003 to 2007. . . . “Everybody talks about how much the Bush tax cuts ‘cost,’” says one GOP strategist. “We’re saying, no, they led to a huge increase in revenue.”

Then there is the deficit. This year it is weighing in at more than $1.6 trillion. Here’s what it looked like under President Bush:

After beginning with a Clinton-era surplus in 2001, the Bush administration ran up deficits of $158 billion in 2002; $378 billion in 2003; and $413 billion in 2004. Then, with revenues pouring in, the deficits began to fall: $318 billion in 2005; $248 billion in 2006; and $161 billion in 2007. That 2007 deficit, with the tax cuts in effect, was one-tenth of today’s $1.6 trillion deficit.

Obama has been a failure in every economic measure. He has lied, failed on his promises of halving the deficit, tripled it and increased it to record levels never seen, and printed money to the point some consumer staples have doubled in cost. Gold currently sells for $1,800.00 an ounce because smart people are fleeing Obama’s “investments.” Jimmy Carter looks competent in comparison to Obama.

And did you happen to note James you didn’t address one my facts? Not one. This nebulous party line meme you libs pass off may sell well in lib circles, but when your facts examined, it becomes quickly apparent most of you are completely clueless and willingly dishonest.

When you can dispute any of these facts, look me up. Until then, I’m calling you a propagandist & liar.

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By: Dave James on September 7, 2011
at 11:28 AM
According to Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post, John F. Kennedy approved the biggest tax cut in the past fifty years.

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By: James on September 7, 2011
at 11:09 AM
“Oh really? Then pray tell why did W have the worst job creation rate of any President in the last century? He literally had a negative job creation rate. Meaning more jobs were lost then were created. ”

Could you show me your facts that back up this statement James Kessler? I have verified facts that show this to be false. I would be interested to see if you can back your claims with any cited facts.

“As for david’s “So you want to explain to me how this is beneficial to the middle class again?”

Oh you mean as opposed”………no, no, no.

He didn’t ask as opposed to, or what Rebups did or didn’t do, he asked how it would benefit the middle class, which you completely avoided.

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By: Anonymous on September 7, 2011
at 11:00 AM
My wife would say the same. She hates this computer, because she is used to Mac.

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By: James on September 7, 2011
at 10:56 AM
You know, James that a good Mac would fix that.

LOL

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By: PFesser on September 7, 2011
at 10:41 AM
I typed my name, but it disappeared. The last anon post is mine.

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By: James on September 7, 2011
at 10:33 AM
Al Smith used to say “look at the record.” I did in an earlier post. The unemployment rate fell to as low as 4.6% during the second Bush term. The New York Times wrote about the “unexpected windfall” as money poured into the national treasury.

Jobs disappeared during the early recession and after the housing bubble burst, but the record between those events was something Obama would envy today. As some of us showed earlier, Democrats and their allies share much but not all of the blame for the crash and loss of jobs.

I think one drain on jobs has been NAFTA. It has its benefits, but it also puts us at a disadvantage.

Taxes and regulations influence behavior. A few people own most of the wealth, and they do most of the hiring. If we make hiring more cost effective, and customers order more products, companies will hire.

My fearless prediction is that if events continue on their present course, a conservative populist voters’ revolt will sweep liberals out of office. Our new leaders will over react and fail to change economic conditions.
Another revolt will restore liberals with similar bleak results. Then, people will riot in the streets as they did in the sixties and early seventies.

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By: Anonymous on September 7, 2011
at 10:32 AM
My computer just up dated and shut down. I have to watch more carefully. The green jobs comment was mine.

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By: Anonymous on September 7, 2011
at 10:16 AM
Anon wrote:
Allow the temporary Bush tax cuts to expire as planned, since they didn’t work in terms of job or demand creation

This just isn’t true. There is an abundance of evidence they worked and worked well.

Oh really? Then pray tell why did W have the worst job creation rate of any President in the last century? He literally had a negative job creation rate. Meaning more jobs were lost then were created.

As for david’s “So you want to explain to me how this is beneficial to the middle class again?”

Oh you mean as opposed to how the Republicans just want to raise the payroll tax which hits solely the middle class and the poor and doesn’t touch the rich at all? As for your claim about the stimulus..yeah most economists agree that it was too small and didn’t last long enough and didn’t focus on the right things.

And please don’t preach about “Obama’s ideas were overwhelmingly opposed” when 1: they weren’t and 2: your party is insisting on giving another round of tax cuts to the rich when 70% of the people want taxes on the rich raised and your party is trying to privatize social security when less then 10% of the people want that. Not to mention the fact that only 20% of the country approves of the tea party and yet your party is busy kissing the asses of the tea party.

And as for your claim that Bushs tax cuts benefitted the middle class and the poor…you mean the same middle class that saw the median average wage drop from just over $60,000 to just over $56,000? Meanwhile the richest 1% saw their wealth quintuple. THe richest 400 Americans now control more wealth then the bottom 51%. And you want to claim that Bush’s policies benefitted the middle class and the poor?

What exact substance have you been ingesting, David, to dome up with that claim?

Sorry, David, the last 30 years has proved one thing…that the Republicans “trickle down” is BS. If you give money to the rich it does not trickle down to the rest of us. And if Bush’s tax policies were so beneficial to the middle class and the poor then why is that it was during his Presidency that all the jobs were lost? WHy is it that it was during his presidency that the economy crashed? Why is it that it was during his presidency and because of his policies that more then half of the deficit was created?

Sorry, David, it is your party that doesn’t give a damn about the middle class while pretending otherwise. and you can sit there and pretend different all you want….but you are engaging in a Grade A delusion. Delude yourself all you want but your delusion isn’t truth.

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By: James Kessler on September 7, 2011
at 10:14 AM
Green jobs are another problem. Our President told us his policies would create new “green jobs” while making America the world leader in green energy. The green jobs have been a phantom while the real benefit goes to friends of the administration. Solynda, a company regarded as suspect by private and government analysts got a $500,000 loan because its major stock holder, is George Kaiser, a major Democratic donor and bundler.

The billions the stimulus bill devoted to green energy stimulated China’s economy, not ours.

Spain, which is a green jobs model is in trouble. Guianluka Calzanda and economics professor studied the interplay between green energy subsides and job creation concluded that for every green job created by government,2.2 private jobs are lost.

He asked an American interviewer “why are you trying to harm yourselves?”

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By: Anonymous on September 7, 2011
at 10:11 AM
Allow the temporary Bush tax cuts to expire as planned, since they didn’t work in terms of job or demand creation. Cut loopholes. Then replace those tax breaks with new ones for US-based headcount, and special breaks for new jobs created in the US.

Once again, uninformed propaganda. Is your memory so bad that you don’t remember full employment for the better part of four years? And if the tax cuts didn’t work, why did Obama reinstate them?

What truly amazes me about liberals is just how woefully uninformed they are. How they continually contradict their own messages and don’t realize it. You cry for the “middle class”, and yet you DeLurker want to penalize the middle class.

Let’s review exactly what the Bush tax cuts are, and you tell me how letting them expire will benefit the “middle class.” And if you can explain to me how the tax cuts didn’t benefit the poor and real middle class, then I will personally vote for our dismal failure as President DeLurker:

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/nation-world-news/will-you-pay-more-when-bush-tax-cuts-expire–646402.html?bigName=&bigPhotog=&bigCap=How+the+expiration+of+President+Bush%27s+tax+cuts+might+affect+you+in+2011&bigDeclCap=&bigCred=&bigUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ohio-share.coxnewsweb.com%2fmultimedia%2fdynamic%2f00668%2fddn041110taxesgd_668287c.jpg&superSizeImage=y

As you can see, all income tax brackets will be affected by letting the tax cuts expire, with the exception of those filing as single and making less than $34,450 a year, or filing jointly making $57,700 a year. In addition, If you make $75,000 a year and sell a stock for a profit, next year you would pay a higher capital gains tax. If you take a $1,000 tax credit for having one child, you’ll only be able to take $500.

So you want to explain to me how this is beneficial to the middle class again?

Add to the fact, we already spent $862 BILLION borrowed dollars for “shovel ready” projects that apparently did little to benefit our infrastructure like we were promised. Few even dispute than anymore – yet our children will get to pay for it.

So why should we trust Obama about any promise he makes? Everything he has pushed or implemented has either failed or been rejected overwhelmingly by the American public.

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By: Dave James on September 7, 2011
at 9:40 AM
Well yes, Pfesser, but we must start with something that can pass rather than linger in debate for decades. I guess that’s how we got where we are, though!

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By: delurkergurl on September 7, 2011
at 9:31 AM
delurkergurl –

I think we need FAR MORE than a little tweaking of the tax code. The Constitution, which has been the framework for our entire government since the late 1700s, has a little over 4500 words. The US tax code, which has to do with nothing except collecting money for the government, has 3.7 million. According to data, U.S. taxpayers and businesses spend about 7.6 billion hours a year complying with tax-filing requirements. If tax compliance were an industry, it would be one of the largest in the United States. To consume 7.6 billion hours, the ‘tax industry’ requires the equivalent of 3.8 million full-time workers. The IRS alone has 106,000 workers.

Doesn’t it seem that there must be a better way to accomplish such a simple task as getting money for the government to run on?

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By: PFesser on September 7, 2011
at 9:24 AM
Alaskapi, I like the song. “Some humans aren’t human” is sad because its true.

I hope you’re right about spinning wheels, but even spinning wheels can dig a deep hole.

The Bush tax cuts were associated with a good employment rate and enhanced government revenues.Without them, our unemployment rate might be even higher than it is. That tax rate has been with us long enough to be institutionalised and when it is gone, it will be equivalent to a tax increase. The $200,000 to $250,000 rate includes the upper middle class and small business people.

Delurkergurl’s suggestion of tax breaks for domestic employers might help. Reducing regulations would too. A work share program would redirect unemployment money to encourage employers to keep workers at reduced hours and wages instead of firing them. At least it would help the employees retain their skills. The Germans are doing it.

What about another WPA? It would let some unemployed repay their checks with some time and service.

Our and other area’s flood and age damaged roads certainly need work now, but “shovel ready jobs” is not the answer as Obama discovered. For contractors and workers already in the business, work is piling up.

Businesses are doing everything they can to avoid hiring new workers because they have no idea of how much future hires will cost them. A farm magazine advised farmers to be careful in our uncertain future. I know how they feel. With a third of our near term income washed down the Missouri River and uncertainty about next year, we are not spending more than we absolutely have to.

Betsy’s Page cites a report on the cost of Obamacare for Wisconsin. People already insured will be paying more and over half of the small businesses will too. Those who give up their coverage and opt for state services will further burden the state government. That is another uncertainty frightening businesses.

I really hope you are right alaskapi, but I think we are in bigger trouble than we know. I hope for the best with Obama’s speech and Congress’s reaction, but I have little hope.

Left Banke’s Pretty Ballerina is another song I like. Maybe you will too.

“I had a date with a pretty ballerina
her hair so brilliant that it hurt my eyes
I asked her for this dance
and then she obliged me
Was I surprised? Was I surprised?
No not at all…
Just close your eyes,
and she’ll be there.”

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By: James on September 7, 2011
at 9:23 AM
Allow the temporary Bush tax cuts to expire as planned, since they didn’t work in terms of job or demand creation

This just isn’t true. There is an abundance of evidence they worked and worked well.

And for goodness sake, fix our roads and bridges

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. This is part of the damage of Obama care. We have no money left for anything else.

I am tired of big business playing games and being job witholders

This is where I have a problem with the left. Business is not a public service or utility. They are not in existence to create jobs for people to fill. They are in existence to make money, and as a byproduct of the goal, sometimes create jobs to further that primary goal. To create jobs or not to create jobs should not even enter the conversation. The market and the demand for what that business does and the profit they can derive from it will dictate if and when the business will produce a job. There is no ethics or morality anywhere in this equation nor should their be. At no time does, nor should, a business “owe” someone a job.

If you are smart, you are in business for yourself and you leverage other people’s time. If your not so motivated, then you have your time leveraged and you, by choice, subject yourself to the above criteria that is mostly out of your control.

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By: Anonymous on September 7, 2011
at 9:18 AM
UAW- I think the Third Way has created some problems already for us but would want to hear what others think too . Rural America is suffering unduly and has been for too many years . The unholy alliances between the Pew group and the EDF on Individual Fishing Quotas here and soon to be everywhere come to mind as a real argument against the Third way.

Remember, I’m left-left-left:-)
The Last Frontier

It’s different because it’s fish but the same as everywhere else everyday people are struggling and increasingly locked out.

Delurkergurl- there may well be some good things in what you have pointed to. And , yes, for heavens sake- fix all our decaying infrastructure. It supports us getting to and fro work if nothing else!

I’m trying to hire 2 full time people. we pay quite a bit above minimum wage and have some bennies- not as many as we would like to offer. So far, because the cost of living is rising so fast here , I’m not getting anyone who can actually do the job but plenty who just need something to be able to eat. It’s awful . For all of us.

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By: alaskapi on September 7, 2011
at 8:42 AM
Alaskapi, this is oversimplification, but some modifications to the tax code could incentivize businesses to make the changes that are needed. Allow the temporary Bush tax cuts to expire as planned, since they didn’t work in terms of job or demand creation. Cut loopholes. Then replace those tax breaks with new ones for US-based headcount, and special breaks for new jobs created in the US. Maybe even jobs filled by someone who is already unemployed. I don’t think I’d go as far as saying jobs outside the US should be directly penalized, as that steps on employer rights too far. The expense of the new employees is partially offset by the tax credits, and the new tax credits would be more than offset by the reduction in unemployment, welfare, medicaid and food stamps. More people would be working, so more people would be funding their future social security benefits. More people would be working, so more people could afford to purchase goods and services. You want the tax breaks you have today? This isn’t charity – earn them!

And for goodness sake, fix our roads and bridges. If we come off this long stretch of high unemployment and poor growth and STILL have bad infrastructure, and have paid out billions in unemployment that could have been spent on actually employing people, we’ve completely blown it.

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By: delurkergurl on September 7, 2011
at 8:11 AM
Mageen- boy, sure wish I’d found that magazine aways back!

James-
The Walker bros song is a good one…
And we are not screwed, we’re just spinnin our wheels.

Putting this here, some thoughts on my mind from Labor Day.
I am tired of big business playing games and being job witholders til they feel safe and secure to spend their dough.

I’m thinking we are spinning our tires right now with big business and it’s apologists.
I keep trying to think what other place we can move this fight to, what other avenue affords a chance to get this all back on a truly human footing.
I’ve had a series of conversations over the last year with a young man from Kentucky who moved to Alaska a couple years ago.
While anecdotal, those conversations have found a place in my heart and mind. My father’s people are in Western Kentucky, living something very similar to what this young fellow’s life was in Eastern Kentucky.
He is coming up on 35 years of age, has never voted, hates unions because he was taught to, went to work in the coal mines right after highschool with skills obtained from vocational program in his local high school, and his heart breaks for his home county, its people, and land. Tears form in his eyes.everytime he talks about mountaintop coal mining. He says Mitch Mc Connell doesn’t visit the rural area he comes from as Mr McConnell knows he isn’t liked and might not even be safe in those areas because he won’t help them.
This young man is just as wary of we Democrats because he says we are too busy tooting up education and opportunity as a way out of poverty to pay any attention to the lack of opportunity faced by rural residents and the joke which passes for education in too many of those places.
He talks of it being considered a team thing to give advance warning of an inspection so the worst offenses can be hidden from view or tidied up before an inspector arrives but of wanting the inspections and wishing there was enforcement .
He is smart and capable. In 2 years he has built a small business he almost can’t keep up with because he is diligent and trustworthy.
He is thinking about what unions might help with, he is thinking about what it might take to get rid of the Mitch McDonnells.
I am working on him to register to vote. If he does I will work on him to vote whether he cancels my vote out or not. I want us to have a system which works for him .
The big Corps won’t stand a chance if we get him, all of those men and women like him, working on making a future for real live people.

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By: alaskapi on September 7, 2011
at 7:22 AM
I forgot to put my name with the music and employment comments.

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By: James on September 7, 2011
at 7:08 AM
We discussed the tax question earlier and showed the relationship between tax rates, revenue and employment.

Warren Buffet and his rich friends can afford to support higher income taxes, since most of their assets are sheltered. Buffet’s conglomerate is has been disputing a billion dollar or so tax bill for at least nine years. Why if he feels so strongly about higher taxes, doesn’t he let the government have his money. Anyone can give the government more money than it asks for. He could do that too, but he doesn’t as far as I know.

Robert J. Samuelson wrote for Labor Day that “Its unclear whether (Obama) or his Republican critics truly know how to speed up job creation.”

Obama has failed, and Republican nostrums of lower deficits and fewer regulations will not quickly make more jobs. Even if a good jobs program emerges, high unemployment will linger for years.

Heidi Shierholtz of the liberal Economic Policy Institute calculated that we need an average of 282,000 jobs a month. This exceeds even the 240,000 level during the 1993 to 2000 boom.

The last count showed 4.5 applicants for every available job.
The ramifications for our national quality of life and our government’s ability to pay its bills and provide the services it has are stark.

We are screwed.

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By: Anonymous on September 7, 2011
at 7:06 AM
Alaskapi….
Sorry about the BBQ but my relatives made hogs out of themselves(40 lbs of legs and thighs)…..

And I also wish Helen would say something about the Dem BS…..

I don’t think the 3rd way will work with this bunch we have in office now…..it involves compromise on both sides(and both sides are guilty)…….something that hasn’t happened since Clinton and Newt…….and I did vote for Ross….

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By: uawtradesman on September 7, 2011
at 6:54 AM
Thanks for the good song alaskapi. I had forgotten it. In return, I suggest The Walker Brothers’ “The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Any More.”

“Loneliness is the cloak you wear
a deep shade of blue
is always there”

Gerry Rafferty’s “Baker Street” is another.

“He’s got this dream about
buying some land
He’s going to give up the booze
and one night stands
And then, he’ll settle down
in some quiet little town
and forget about everything
But you know he’ll always keep moving
You know he’s never going to stop moving
Because he’s rolling,
he’s a rolling stone.”

That can also apply to our politicians and the difference between what they say and what they do.

Sarah Palin and Barack Obama were the stars of the election. Both had charisma, and as I wrote here, they were the anti- candidates-mirror images of each other. The press dug up every bit of personal dirt they could find on her while also making stuff up, but they took Obama as he presented himself. They didn’t investigate his past. Tom Brokaw admitted “we don’t” know much about him. We didn’t elect a man, we elected an image.

Someone wrote about Lady Gaga in the comments section of a site showing the “Baker Street” video. It applies to Palin, Obama, and several other politicians. “…pure muck with an unbelievably well- crafted persona that has suckered millions.
…I don’t care if it makes me elitist. Its just the damn truth. …her fans are like an obese kid being led into McDonalds by their parents. Marketing demons are guiding people more and more into bad music (politics) and its wrong. WRONG!. So get off you high horse and hate on Gaga (Palin, Obama etc) like a real man.”

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By: Anonymous on September 7, 2011
at 6:46 AM
Alaskapi, if you ever wanted to see in print what the world thought of SP’s policies, etc., try to get hold of a very old copy of the Republican magazine called (I think) the Republic. When SP was picked by McCain, that periodical went ballistic and for all the right reasons. I wouldn’t exactly call this magazine mainstream Republican but top tier considering who all wrote the articles lambasting McCain and SP. I would guess that this stuff did not make it into the mainstream media cuz it broke a certain rule apparently insisted upon by Reagan: never speak ill of another Republican. It sounds kinda classy but it sure has its drawbacks, especially when considering the good of the country. I will never forget just how flat out amazed I was when I found that thing on the shelf of our local library. Hmmm, maybe thats why the really hard core types are against any sort of funding from anywhere for public libraries.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 7, 2011
at 4:51 AM
UAW- you and anon are right and if she was a target for the right reasons it would be fine.
But the target thingy is all out of whack- it ends up being about her appearance and personality , not about policies, background, anything which measures anything useful.
And jobs? Nobody bit on the Third Way and centrist stuff I dropped in here. Nor the link liberty lover left..
I love Helen and hope she keeps raising her voice, loud and clear, because underneath it is a deep and abiding sense of what’s BS and what’s not.
She hasn’t said anything much about Dem BS , but there’s been a fair amount of that in recent years. Time to talk about all the flops we’ve all made so we can move forward.
And I was really hoping for an apology about not saving us some of that BBQ awhile back… that was cold. really cold.

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By: alaskapi on September 6, 2011
at 11:06 PM
Alaskapi….
I would like to apologize to you…….I didn’t bring up Palin but I’m still sorry……but anon is right…she’s nothing but a target…..along with anything else to keep peoples minds off the real problem……JOBS…..and the 47 million people that need jobs……not handouts…..JOBS……and the increase in GDP that will bring………but then again without targets Helen wouldn’t have anything to say…and we wouldn’t be here…….

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By: uawtradesman on September 6, 2011
at 10:18 PM
Sorry all. So sick of whatzername I could spit.

don’t let that cold wind blow til I’m too old to die young…

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By: alaskapi on September 6, 2011
at 9:40 PM
And I agree with anony, for most real conservatives, she’s a non-issue.
She shocked the bejabbers out of the old guard conservatives here the longer she was flapping her wings around the state. One of the subtexts missed by many who watched her interchange with Nick Tucker on the cookies run to the YK with Franklin Graham was that Mr Tucker was so deeply hurt that she ignored the people who voted for her, like him, who believed she was going to make good on promises to bring meaningful development to the bush.
She could barely drag her sorry buns out there , let alone engage as a governor. It was one of the endless “wearing my personal hat “moments that we all got treated to when what we really needed was a governor.

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By: alaskapi on September 6, 2011
at 8:32 PM
Noah generalization? that an inside joke?

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By: Anonymous on September 6, 2011
at 8:17 PM
How in the world did this conversation get back to SP?
She was a crappy governor, a really crappy one. The first year wasn’t bad and her work with the Dems ( because the Reps wouldn’t help much until the end ) to change the giveaway to the oil companies Frank the Bank had ushered in before her accounts for most of the initial high marks by Alaskans. The rose was coming off the bloom just about the time McCain tapped her for the VP run and by the time we got her back it was just awful.
She made a hash of so many important issues or flat ignored them to preen in the national interest which followed her home that once the initial shock of her quitter dealie was over, people of all political persuasions here pretty much breathed a sigh of relief.
Has it ever penetrated beyond Alaska that she refused to use state resources (planes ) to drop humanitarian aid into the YK and said the law prohibited it? Every damn governor since the beginning has done so when needed. We ended up passing a law which expressly allows it because toodles-for-brains SP didn’t/couldn’t understand that it was allowable and desired by all without an ABC how to do it.
Does anyone outside Alaska have any idea of what a mess she made of predator control issues here with her high visibilty game over aerial wolf control ? I’m guessing there are not a lot of places left, if any, where people actually propose rules for their game areas to a Board of Game because they rely on the game to survive. The fights over rural and urban preference, subsistence, commercial, and sports in both fish and game areas as well as federal intervention on federal land and federal fisheries management from 3-200 miles offshore are huge here. They affect every one of us. Did the stupenagle press outside of here ever try to learn enough about any of it to understand what SP did about all of it? Hell no.
And here we are again talking about what she looks like.
She looks like the self satisfied, clueless putz she is . Period.

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By: alaskapi on September 6, 2011
at 8:15 PM
Cynthia: how about we ignore another Noah generalization? But I’d love to hear your thoughts about Guiliani still sniffing around for a possible entry.

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By: Donna on September 6, 2011
at 8:01 PM
Palin wont be elected. This women isn’t running, she isn’t in office, and hasn’t been relevant in quite some time. She is a conservative voice, nothing more. Liberal women want a target, and she provides a cheap and easy way to take swings at the conservative party. To conservatives, men and women alike, she is a non issue, so gang pile her all you like.

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By: Anonymous on September 6, 2011
at 7:55 PM
IMO, most Liberal women realized Palin’s limitations very quickly. And more Conservative women wanted to imitate her. If Palin were elected and proved how little she had in her pretty little head there would never be another woman elected for some time. As a politician Palin is an embarrassment to all women. There were a number of degrading remarks from the right about Clinton. So I don’t think this is a Liberal thingy. I have noticed Conservative men like their women pretty but not too smart. I wonder why?

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By: Cynthia on September 6, 2011
at 7:23 PM
Palin for a politician is pretty hot. Politics aside she is just over average imo. That said, I could give 2 shits how any politician looks and not sure why it is an issue. Its what they bring to the table and what they chose to work on while in office and their credentials that matter. I think it matters to Liberal women more than any other group to be honest. It is just another point to pick apart, nothing more.

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By: Anonymous on September 6, 2011
at 6:23 PM
UAW: Those were stupid things to say–no doubt about it. But they are trotted out by people like Hannity as a way to disparage anyone who’d approve of anything about the President. While you might not agree, there are plenty of people who like things he has done or has advocated but hardly view him as Divine.

It’s all spin. For example, there are people who still carry on about the idiotic columns at the convention. But they say nothing about the overblown theatrics of Beck’s D.C. or Israel rallies. People see what they want to see and, if they don’t like the subject, nothing about him/her will meet with their approval.

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By: Donna on September 6, 2011
at 6:07 PM
Thank You, UAW, I stand corrected…..but I never heard them say it!

Did Oprah say – THE ONE or the one in a moment of enthusiasm? Louis Farrakhan – I don’t agree with him referring to Obama in that manner. The point is – do they continue to refer to Obama in those terms.

I do understand why you might not get warm and fuzzy over McCain. However, there were a number of men who got hot and bothered over Palin! And women who wanted to be just like her?????

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 6, 2011
at 5:37 PM
Cynthia…….remember this…..

“And if I have your attention I have a question to ask. You refer to President Obama as The One or perhaps The Messiah. I have never met a Democrat, Independent, Liberal, Progressive etc ever refer to him in that manner.”

the answer is Oprah…….

“I am here to tell you, Iowa, he is the one. He is the one!”

http://gothamist.com/2007/12/09/oprah_calls_oba.php

the answer is also Louis Farrakhan….

When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.”

Read more: Farrakhan on Obama: ‘The Messiah is absolutely speaking’ http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=77539#ixzz1XD5lxTS6

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=77539

just thought you’d want to know….

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By: uawtradesman on September 6, 2011
at 3:30 PM
0% job growth. I might be wrong but I feel we need to stimulate the economy. If you can show me how increasing taxes will do that I am open to listening to what you have to say.

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By: Anonymous on September 6, 2011
at 2:28 PM
I haven’t read all of comments to this blog, but had to throw in my $.02 after this one:

From David James:
Obviously. But your approval would indicate you are party to the 51% that do not pay a damn dime of federal income tax, and want others to pay your way more. Clearly a bum and a leech from the Left.

whether the person you were respnding to oops sorry, I mean typical right-wing insulting, is or isn’t currently paying taxes (due to being out of work, disabled, elderly or whatever reason), the 51% (wherever you got that figure from) of the bums and leeches who are not paying taxes are right-wing, corporate / politicos who want to keep linging their pockets that are running this country down. And don’t come back with some more BS “oh, the liberals are playing the name calling / blame the republican” crap again because I’m a registered voter with NO party affiliation because I don’t need need to be herded like a sheep to slaughter and can make up my own damned mind on what issues matter most! And if what I said wasn’t true, why would one of the wealthiest people in the US – thank you Warren Buffett – be pushing for a tax hike on the wealthy!

And why is that the republicans in Washington, especially Boehner, trying to block an increase in the IRS budget to track down tax evaders? HMMM? Could it be that they don’t want all the people / corporations lining their pockets or themselves caught with the their hands in the proverbial cookie jar?

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By: Independent Thinker on September 6, 2011
at 1:55 PM
Helen, I sure hope you are not in any danger from those wildfires in Texas. Stay safe!

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 6, 2011
at 12:23 PM
That is an interesting study, alaskapi. I read about it or another study several months ago. Try telling your seventeen year old daughter that the boy she likes is not a good- long term choice. People sense the survey is accurate because it is true.

I’d like to know how moderates reacted to the mythological welfare reform plans since they are the political equivalent of intersex people.

Thanks for the Al Stewart video, and also the Tom Wait routine/song. It is hilarious. I never slid close to myself, or held my hand for that matter.

The Air Force snatched me away. My girl friend and I didn’t see each other for over a year and a half. The Walker Brothers “The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Anymore” described the pain of separation we felt. I often played the song.

Do you remember We Five? Bev Bivens was a good singer who critics believed could become a star like Barbara Striesand. She quit to become a wife and mother.

We Five’s first hit was “You Were On My Mind.” Two months after our wedding, the Air Force sent me away again. I left a tape of the song under my wife’s pillow.

I don’t know a song to describe our reunion at an airport. We did attract a crowd. I was a little kid, but I still remember the clanging bells and my parents riding on a street car with me.

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By: James on September 6, 2011
at 11:28 AM
Now about those electric cars, street cars, et al. The way electric cars are done these days with the ability to switch back and forth between electricity and gasoline is definitely interesting. It gives them a real duality. Yes, I do remember electric street cars, especially the way sparks were thrown when the street car had to turn a corner and the connection to the overhead power line had what we kids called a knot. These street cars were not curbside. You had to go out to an island in the middle of a very busy street, stand in line and hope nobody drove a car into you. The tracks and islands created a real problem for snow removal and there were times when a heavy snow even brought down the lines. The city council finally got rid of electric street cars and bought a huge fleet of very smelly gas powered buses capable of curbside service. That fleet diminished considerably over the years as more folks were able to afford a car of their own. As for being ecologically sound, the electricity to run the street cars had to some from a coal burning power plant in the days before the installation of scrubbers on the chimneys. As a kid with allergies my best bet was to stay in the countryside and get where I was going either on foot or on horseback. Dang! I am actually glad I am so old I can contribute!

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 6, 2011
at 5:41 AM
Interesting…

” Psychologists and political scientists talk often of a phenomenon known as motivated skepticism. The idea, basically, is that we believe the evidence and arguments we want to believe, and reject ideas and information that undercut our preferences.

My favorite study in this space was by Yale’s Geoffrey Cohen. He had a control group of liberals and conservatives look at a generous welfare reform proposal and a harsh welfare reform proposal. As expected, liberals preferred the generous plan and conservatives favored the more stringent option. Then he had another group of liberals and conservatives look at the same plans, but this time, the plans were associated with parties.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/ezra-klein-why-does-the-gop-oppose-stimulus-ask-a-psychologist/2011/09/05/gIQAl1j34J_story.html

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By: alaskapi on September 5, 2011
at 9:02 PM
Well, how cool is that? Thanks you guys- I totally missed Al Stewart way back then.

I guess I was too busy waiting round for tom Waits to notice me on a Saturday night 🙂

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By: alaskapi on September 5, 2011
at 8:08 PM
Yes, Al Stewart. I must have confused his name with Alice Cooper. It does the same for me. Its good music.

My mother wrote a diary, and I decided to write one too. I began when I was 20. Were you too tired and stressed to write in med school and later?

Alaskapi, I like Tod Snider’s song too. I look forward to your music.

The first burst of autumn is here. Our low was 43 this morning.

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By: James on September 5, 2011
at 6:48 PM
James – that’s Al Stewart, not Cooper.

I always thought he was a really fine musician; Year of the Cat came out when I was in med school and it really seemed to carry me away to a different time and place. Believe me – having spent my former life outdoors, I needed it.

Interestingly, I had kept a journal since college days, writing in about every two weeks to a month. I was looking at it the other day and had forgotten that for some reason I did not post a single time during the eight years of med school and residency. After school was all over, I started right back to my journal. There must be some deeper meaning in there somewhere.

Anyway the Year of the Cat album is almost all really great songs. I think I’ll put it on; haven’t heard it for a long time. Thanks for reminding me.

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By: pfesser53 on September 5, 2011
at 6:36 PM
I’m still not really sure…..….can I think about it and get back to you? 😉

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By: Cynthia on September 5, 2011
at 5:31 PM
just cuz…

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By: alaskapi on September 5, 2011
at 5:13 PM
Pfessor, something about your e address hesitates to accept my pictures. I think they went through this time. I’ll send more after I find my old memory card.

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By: James on September 5, 2011
at 3:43 PM
us is not me
neither
nor

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By: alaskapi on September 5, 2011
at 3:39 PM
Obviously that was I.

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By: James on September 5, 2011
at 3:28 PM
Thanks again folks.

Snoozer, an old but appropriate insult: “I’d match wits with you but you come unarmed.” Heh Heh!

Alaskapi, thanks for posting the Johnny Cash song. You might like Al Cooper’s “The Year of the Cat” and “Time Passages.”Today is his sixty sixth birthday, I think.

Pfessor, I’m still working on it. My computer says the pictures made it to two other people, so I will try again. Someone told me I should put my pictures on flikr, but I never had the inclination.

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By: Anonymous on September 5, 2011
at 3:28 PM
I’m thinking snoozer could be a candidate for the plasma arc gasification project.

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By: uawtradesman on September 5, 2011
at 2:34 PM
Helen, you and Margaret make my day! I love your friendship and your posts, your candor and the information you provide. I hope you post a little more often, especially as things heat up in the political season. I wished you lived in Wisconsin, I would look you up and buy you a drink!

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By: katcopi on September 5, 2011
at 2:27 PM
Us? Not I!

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By: Evelyn on September 5, 2011
at 2:23 PM
While I’m thinking of it: James, I never got those pictures of the flood. I know you are running around with your head on fire, but if you get a chance it would be great to see them.

Isn’t there some kind of free Google site where you can post pictures? Anybody know?

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By: Pfesser on September 5, 2011
at 2:15 PM
Nor me.

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By: Pfesser on September 5, 2011
at 2:10 PM
us is not me.

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By: Donna on September 5, 2011
at 1:52 PM
99% of the readers here

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By: Snoozin' on September 5, 2011
at 1:50 PM
us is not me

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By: uawtradesman on September 5, 2011
at 1:50 PM
You’re already boring the pants off us,

Who is us?

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By: Anonymous on September 5, 2011
at 1:02 PM
Hey Helen…. if you read this far, you might want to check out this post….

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

Blessings to you (and Margaret.)

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By: LibertyLover on September 5, 2011
at 12:59 PM
By: James on September 4, 2011
at 5:04 PM

You said: “I will bore the pants off you with more details of what I learned.”

You’re already boring the pants off us with what you haven’t learned. So there’s nothing new in your threat.

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By: Snoozin' on September 5, 2011
at 10:37 AM
Just for the record, the bill requiring women to get a sonogram and sign a statement declaring they were a victim of rape or incest before obtaining an abortion in Texas was, thankfully, struck down by the courts. This isn’t to say that it won’t be enacted at some future date if we don’t come to our senses pretty soon, but at least it’s not in effect now. Thanks for all the great work, y’all!

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By: blondintexas on September 5, 2011
at 9:07 AM
Amen Helen!! Keep the hilarious and spot on posts coming!

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By: HoneyJorumples on September 4, 2011
at 11:46 PM
Can’t resist.

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By: alaskapi on September 4, 2011
at 8:23 PM
UAW-
nah.
Just believes the candidates who run a good line by him.
My ma had mutiple undergraduate degrees, a Masters, and later , after we kids left home, a JD ( she graduated from law school ).
We laughed ourselves silly over whether she should include mention about throwing the I Ching in her quest to choose a thesis subject for the Masters ( which she did do to choose her thesis area ), sobered up and decided an al would be reviewing the whole deal and she wrote a “normal” dealie.

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By: alaskapi on September 4, 2011
at 8:01 PM
I think Al gives new meaning to “book smart”

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By: uawtradesman on September 4, 2011
at 7:00 PM
Big Al, I earned a MA with thesis and nine hours toward a Phd in an experimental accelerated masters and doctorate program.at the University of Iowa. I finished my thesis, “Irrigation in Nebraska during the 1890’s” at the end of my third semester. I earned nine hours toward a Phd during my fourth semester. My cumulative GPA was 3.70 with two semesters of 4.00.

I entered the university on probation because my undergraduate GPA was only 2.70. My Graduate Record exam scores and an undergraduate term paper on Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression got me in.

My professors thought I was creative and wanted me to expand my thesis into a dissertation. They were disappointed when I suddenly dropped out. to farm. A career adviser had told me and a Navy veteran our chances of employment in the North would improve if we lied about our military service and claimed we had been on the road for four years.

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I am proud of my accomplishments, but I am self deprecatory about their significance. Most of my professors knew about my past and why I was playing catch up, My ability to independently reach conclusions authorities had made and my speed of learning convinced them I belonged at the university.

During my thesis interrogation, they didn’t cut me any slack during my thesis interrogation.. For example, one proffessor asked me “Joe Blow wrote” this” on page 275 of his book” Blah Blah” On page 35 of your thesis you wrote” that”. Why do you disagree with Joe Blow? I explained, and they accepted my opinion.

Another man asked where the town of O’Neil,Nebraska got its name. I replied predominately Irish residents named it after a leader of the Fenian Movement and began a discussion the movement’s history until I realized I was moving down a tangent.

My professors wanted my PHD to expand what I described as the Missouri River cities’ tendency to have larger trade areas to the west than to the east and how it influenced the development of the valley. I showed that far western Iowa was more like Nebraska than Iowa.

It was just a side bar, but the committee was also interested in the strange rain maker I found. He surfaced near Akron, Colorado, and as he worked his way east rain followed.

I stood outside of the room and visited with a secretary I knew. My adviser and the others joined me a few minutes later,me, shook my hand, and said”welcome to the club.”

I resent your accusing my professors of being frauds, and if you persist, I will bore the pants off you with more details of what I learned.

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By: James on September 4, 2011
at 5:04 PM
Jesus, Big Al – lighten up.

I thought I was pedantic.

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By: Pfesser on September 4, 2011
at 3:06 PM
James. I just picked up on your response to Cynthia and the more I read of it, the more I think she might be right. When your adviser told you your only deficiency was your meager knowledge of current literature, in the university I attended, that would have been a degree killer. You see, I’ve written several theses and supervised many more during my career in higher education and anyone who believed, “We compensate for our ignorance with hunches, perseverance, and enthusiasm”, would have been out on his ear before the day was over. As a committee member questioning thesis applicants, I would start with a review of the current literature and work backwards until I could pin down how much the applicant really knew of recent developments in his/her area of study. To totally miss a current book on the subject would have sent me scurrying for the exit. If this is your true assessment then I’d say that either your thesis committee was a fraud or your thesis was. Brownie points don’t count in thesis writing.

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By: Al Fomega on September 4, 2011
at 2:16 PM
Nah – I think they’re mostly methane. LOL

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By: pfesser53 on September 4, 2011
at 8:54 AM
I posted the story about disaster relief and the electric car as a “slam” against the Dems…..talk about the party of NO….
Next thing I see is posts about Tesla,electric cars, the electrical grid and methane…..
How about using plasma arc gasification to convert garbage into syngas and then convert the syngas into gasoline……

http://earthanet.com/2008/01/28/plasma-arc-gasification-turning-garbage-into-gas/

http://www.serc.msstate.edu/syngas.html

IMHO half the posts here could be converted to gasoline….

Have a safe Labor Day

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By: uawtradesman on September 4, 2011
at 8:19 AM
Keeping with questioning centrist philosophy :

“Historical circumstances produced the raw material: the deindustrialization and financialization of America since about 1970 has spawned an increasingly downscale white middle class – without job security (or even without jobs), with pensions and health benefits evaporating and with their principal asset deflating in the collapse of the housing bubble. Their fears are not imaginary; their standard of living is shrinking.

What do the Democrats offer these people? Essentially nothing. Democratic Leadership Council-style “centrist” Democrats were among the biggest promoters of disastrous trade deals in the 1990s that outsourced jobs abroad: NAFTA, World Trade Organization, permanent most-favored-nation status for China. ”
http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

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By: alaskapi on September 4, 2011
at 7:27 AM
Happy Labor day!

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By: James on September 4, 2011
at 7:18 AM
We are having too much fun in Omaha for me to read or respond to anything except what Cynthia wrote when I last checked. She asked if I still pretend to know what I am talking about as I did during my thesis class Of course. So do you Cynthia We compensate for our ignorance with hunches, perseverance, and enthusiasm.

My adviser told me my only deficienciancy was my meager knowledge of the current literature. My four years in the Air Force had left me otherwise occupied. I had a lot of facts, but my framework for interpreting them was weak. Thus, I threw spoiled apples at the wall and waited to see which would stick.

I won brownie points when I declared a central dynamic of the Plains political and economic system was a conflict between rural and urban societies I didn’t know a member of my committee had just published a book with the same thesis. Hooray for me!

I regard the conservative Christian movement as similar to the 9/11 Truthers, 1950’s domestic Communists, 1980,s evangelicals,, and the Tea Party. Each is a niche movement like a contained trash fire. It will only spread if sparks can reach grass surrounding the burning pile. The dominant culture will contain them short of revolution.

The Tea Party did attract a following large enough to change our national politics because even people who didn’t support or know of them believed the concepts they sold.

I believe the religious movement is heaven sent for politicians. They will blow it into something more than it is to attack their enemies. It happened with Romney when his enemies hinted that Mormonism was weird. Obama’s birth certificate is another example.

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By: James on September 4, 2011
at 7:16 AM
“First, if even 25% of the public switched over we would have rolling brown outs all over the US. So we need a massive infrastructure upgrade. 2nd, what do we do with the massive amounts of batteries and they waste they produce?”

Agreed. The power lines would need to be upgraded and more powerplants brought online. But in compensation you could eliminate many of the problems associated with producing and burning gasoline. And most importantly you would reduce the drive for this dance of death we are doing with the Middle Eastern oil producing countries.

The batteries are a massive problem – especially those containing lead or nickel. But it’s like any problem – you don’t focus on why it won’t work and just quit. If the advantages are there, you just solve those problems – Yankee ingenuity is a wonderful thing and someday that third leg of the electric auto problem will be solved too. I can’t wait.

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By: pfesser53 on September 4, 2011
at 6:37 AM
poolman – when I speak of the Tesla, I mean the car currently being produced, not something invented by Tesla himself.

I have a coworker who is convinced that he can run his car on water by splitting the water into H and O; I cannot for the life of me make him understand that he will have to put the same energy into splitting the water as he will get when he burns the products, so there is a net/net zero benefit.

It seems to me we are wasting time and energy chasing conspiracies; we need to be chasing real solutions – solutions that don’t violate the basic laws of physics.

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By: pfesser53 on September 4, 2011
at 6:31 AM
2 problems I see with wide spread use of the electric transportation. First, if even 25% of the public switched over we would have rolling brown outs all over the US. So we need a massive infrastructure upgrade. 2nd, what do we do with the massive amounts of batteries and they waste they produce?

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By: Anonymous on September 4, 2011
at 6:31 AM
To everyone on the front porch, have a safe and sane Labor Day weekend. Take a break. Indulge in a cookout. Maybe some volleyball. Forget about repainting the garden shed. It really doesn’t look all that bad! After all, when was the last time anyone every came over just to visit your garden shed and comment on its artistry? Just enjoy the day and the people and take a deep rejuvenating breath, especially if you are with someone who had to work way too darn hard to even be around for the occasion.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 4, 2011
at 5:33 AM
More differences between REPUBLICANS and Democrats/

Democrats believe we need to protect victims of corporate negligence by allowing Americans to file lawsuits against corporations.
Republicans believe we need to protect large corporations from lawsuits by Americans who’ve been victimized by them.

Democrats believe that the rich should be taxed more than the poor and middle class.
Republicans believe that the rich should be allowed to keep all their wealth, except for the millions in campaign contributions they give to politicians.

Democrats believe that too much money in politics produces corruption and destroys the American way of life.
Republicans believe that money and corruption in politics are the American way of life.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 10:21 PM
More differences between REPUBLICANS and Democrats.

Democrats believe Congress should be of the people, by the people and for the people.
Republicans believe corporations are the people.

Democrats believe that corporations have too much influence over Congress due to their lobbyists and huge campaign contributions.
Republicans believe the middle class has too much influence over Congress due to their voting and paying taxes.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 9:58 PM
Pfesser, Tesla’s car actually had no batteries. But the technology was confiscated by our government after he died. Many of his ideas are in use today, though he hasn’t been given proper credit in history like Edison, who actually helped keep Tesla’s ideas from being implemented. Real interesting stuff. I wonder how many other wonderful inventions capitalism has buried in the name of profit? 👿 All those marvelous efficient carburetors and such…

http://waterpoweredcar.com/teslascar.html

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By: poolman on September 3, 2011
at 9:45 PM
Democrats believe 16.2% is solid record of employment and 47.4MM people on food stamps is an approval of Obama’s running the economy.

Congratulations Obama voters – the “real: unemployment rate is 16.2% according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

YES WE CAN!

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 9:38 PM
More differences between REPUBLICANS and Democrats.

Democrats believe that we need to set high standards for clean air and drinking water. Republicans believe that standards for clean air and water are burdensome over-regulation.
Democrats believe the President and Congress need to work together to create jobs during a weak economy. Republicans believe that Congress should do nothing to create jobs and then blame the President.
Democrats believe that corporate polluters should be made to pay for the cleanup of their pollution. Republicans believe that making corporations clean up their pollution is burdensome over-regulation.
Democrats believe our health care system exists solely for the purpose of making people healthy. Republicans believe our health care system exists solely for the purpose of making a healthy profit.
Democrats believe Congress should

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 8:23 PM
Hi “Anony mouse.”

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 8:12 PM
More Differences between REPUBLICANS and Democrats!

Republicans believe large corporations will always do what is best for the American people if the government stays out of the way. Democrats believe large corporations would disembowel you and sell your organs to the highest bidder if the government didn’t stop them.
Democrats believe everyone is entitled to health care regardless of their ability to pay. Republicans believe everyone is entitled to jack squat if they can’t pay for health care.
Democrats believe too much of our money goes to crooked corporate executives who take government subsidies and pay themselves $80 million salaries. Republicans believe too much of our money goes to teachers who make $30,000 a year.
Democrats believe anything that helps the American people during a recession or a time of crisis is the true essence of patriotism. Republicans believe anything that helps the American people during a recession or a time of crisis is the true essence of communism.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 8:12 PM
Pfesser – I understand your message but I gave up smoking and I am having a particularly bad day.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 3, 2011
at 8:11 PM
Hi Tex.

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By: Anonymous on September 3, 2011
at 8:08 PM
People may give you reasons but you made the choice to be who you are. I do not have to quietly live with your consequences.

Nor do I with yours, hence the reason I am here. Hopefully, that’s the last time you ask why I am here, being you answered your own previous question.

But you respond from a false premise Cynthia. I’m not this way with people I like or respect, neighbors, strangers, races, creeds, or colors. You have to prove yourself worthy to gain my disdain You have.

I choose to be with liberals, terrorist appeasers, and Christian bashing bigots – 90% of this board.

😉

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 8:00 PM
Dave James – People like you helped make me, so live with its consequences.

People may give you reasons but you made the choice to be who you are. I do not have to quietly live with your consequences.

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By: Cynthia on September 3, 2011
at 7:46 PM
But first he must give back to the US his share of the national Debt, and all the money that Texas has been given for Education and infrastructure. He must give back all the stimulus money he has taken willingly and demolish all highways that were federally funded. He must close all military bases in Texas, of which there are many, and transfer these troops to other bases located in the US.

Actually, it’s a silly request and another in a long list of liberal delusions, because that assumes that federal money was “given” to Texas, when in reality the citizens of Texas paid into the federal fund which was reallocated accordingly.

If you make that request, then in return my wife, a citizen of Texas will need to be afforded a refund of every federal dime she and millions others have paid in with interest over the entire history of the Republic. And from the looks of it, I don’t think the rest of us have the funds to be able to afford that.

I’d be very careful what you wish for in your tacit push for secession, because when one state goes, I can virtually assure you many will soon follow suit. And the South just so happens to be situated to rather easily become independent with respect to logistics and basic necessities. Many states along the Southern coast are none to happy with the Obama regime and their offshore drilling policies. And Texas and its surrounding states just happen to process and own far and away the largest majority of several important commodities and ports, not the very least which most of you use as energy to run your car and many to heat your home.

One question I always wanted to ask liberals so bothered by words of secession. Not five years, many of the citizenry from the state of Vermont actually made official request to secede when George Bush was President. And I didn’t hear a peep of protest (I was actually hoping they would). Now I recognize, maple syrup is something we could do without if required, but where was your outrage against the citizens of Vermont used the words secession? Is that permissible and acceptable when a Republican is President?

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 7:37 PM
Margaret, what kind of idiot thinks that God destroyed entire cities and kill people with a hurricane, because the politicians in Washington are to be unpleasant? What kind of idiot? The guy with the bouffant hairdo and a Minnesota accent. Honestly, if God worked this way, Irene would have gone into the 6th Congressional District of Minnesota. …
Irene could help the Brazilians, and have also passed in the Brazilian Congress to end corruption …

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By: Leoni R Dantas on September 3, 2011
at 7:25 PM
On another topic – to nobody in particular: if you feed a troll even one morsel, you are back where you started.

You fed the morsel if that factual retort is considered trollish. That used to be called “debate” where one idea compared to another and the opponent’s strengths and weaknesses evaluated. You pointed to mine – I pointed to yours.

But I agree that electric technology is worth pursuing – if and only if the research and development private, funding itself. No more solar panel research (a bad joke), no more worthless wind farm investment promises, or promises of cold fusion just around the corner.

Let electric fund itself, and if Tesla can build an electric for $30K, after a period of early adoption and if it proves reliable, I’ll buy one myself.

Personally, I belief methane a much better alternative and practical answer to the U.S. domestic energy requirements.

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 7:13 PM
Jacob EDL –

Very cool handle. Welcome! Have a slice of pie and some coffee!

I remember perfectly when Anita Bryant took the pie to the puss. I didn’t like her very much, but I thought she was pretty game. Do you remember what she said after she got hit?

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By: pfesser53 on September 3, 2011
at 7:07 PM
Pfesser, Donna, UAW, Delurkergurl, James, et al- something to think about in relation to ongoing discussions here .
The tendency to frame as D and R issues/questions often keeps us from stepping back to look at larger frameworks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(centrism)
Am still looking at fish issues here at home and crossing paths with this hybrid centrist critter over and over .

Helen and Margaret- Thank you for having us all in.
Who woulda thunk Alaska’s own crazy person politico could be upstaged by multiple crazy person politicos so easily?
Am beginning to wonder if it IS the hairspray…

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By: alaskapi on September 3, 2011
at 7:03 PM
Cynthia –

Overhead wire trolleys work just fine. Several high-speed rails use exactly that process. When I worked in the mines (my summer job in college) all our main line motors used a trolley with a trailing pole.

As for cars, practical electrical personal transportation has had three problems: suitable motors that could be speed-controlled, controllers that could handle the power required for such motors and energy storage medium.

As of the past ten years or so there has been a complete revolution in motors and speed controllers. The availability of extremely powerful permanent magnets has allowed production of very powerful, very small three-phase motors. (Poolman, you are a Nikola Tesla fan; 3-phase power is undoubtedly his greatest invention) These motors can be speed-controlled from zero to over 10,000 rpm with >85% efficiency. 3-phase motors can be instantly reversed and, having no “brushes,” there are no parts that rub together; it is all via bearings, meaning >100,000 miles with NO maintenance.

There are now solid-state controllers that can handle tens of thousands of KW with near-complete reliability. These generate the pulses necessary to spin the new motors efficiently – and to use them as brakes for slowing down, generating electricity in the process, which is then returned to the batteries. Good stuff.

Once again the problem is energy storage. Our battery technology is very, very good but its their “energy density” is very low compared to gasoline. It takes a lot of batteries to take you very far. We’ll solve that problem too. Just a matter of time.

Those advantages over internal combustion engines are just too tempting to ignore – not to mention that if we generate our own electricity, we can do it with nuclear or other means, which eliminates our dependence on Middle East oil. All very desirable.

On another topic – to nobody in particular: if you feed a troll even one morsel, you are back where you started.

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By: pfesser53 on September 3, 2011
at 6:55 PM
Margaret, Helen, I love you ladies. You say it like it is and it always makes me happy to see you post. If Rick Perry wants the state of Texas to secede from the union, I say let him. Good riddance to bad rubbish. But first he must give back to the US his share of the national Debt, and all the money that Texas has been given for Education and infrastructure. He must give back all the stimulus money he has taken willingly and demolish all highways that were federally funded. He must close all military bases in Texas, of which there are many, and transfer these troops to other bases located in the US. Also, he must close down the Texas schoolbook repository, or only allow those schoolbooks made in Texas to be sold in the Republic of Texas.

Michele Bachmann, on the other hand, has other problems. Mr. Bachmann (michele) has a problem with a closeted gay husband who gets money from the state to run LGBT youth “pray away the gay” in his clinic. She hates us gays and wants us all to kill ourselves. She has been sucking on the federal government’s tit for years and now she wants to get rid of government for everyone else. What a twat. She needs a banana cream pie thrown in her face like Anita Bryant did in the 70’s.

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By: Jacob End Doma Leatherberry on September 3, 2011
at 6:37 PM
GW Bush loved to Privatize and did! A Florida Sheriff just took back a privatized prison and is saving 1 Million dollars. The company overcharged and did not maintain the facility so the State is taking it over and saving money.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sheriff-saves-1-million-de-privatizin

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 5:45 PM
You turn off more people then you are converting.

As I told Donna once, my intent is not for the recipient, who is much too ingrained in their progressive religion for rational debate. My message is to those who only peruse the board – I’m sure far greater in number than those who comment.

You come across as a smart mouth, wise ass, know it all bully. This attitude may be admired or respected by some but it definitely is not an acceptable or respected quality for many here.

Maybe. But how is that any different from you who is also an observed bully, and who asks grotesque questions of which member of the Trinity am I? Ever heard the term chirality? The chemical term mean non superimposable images? That’s what I think when I answer you gals and guys. From one to the other…

And if I have your attention I have a question to ask. You refer to President Obama as The One or perhaps The Messiah. I have never met a Democrat, Independent, Liberal, Progressive etc ever refer to him in that manner. He is a just a man who is President. Yet you and Rush and others from that side use those terms.

You must have missed the “We Are the Ones Speech” that Obama loved to give time and again. Have the tides receded yet? That reference is more derogatory toward his groupies than Obama, by the way. The reactions during those campaign speeches, people fainting and crying, promises of free rent and free housing were actually disturbing.

Yes, I am tickled to watch the ‘Mighty’ fall after 25+ years of abhorrent behavior from the Left. Believe it or not, I was not always this way. During the Iraq War, and after what I determined to be aiding and abetting America’s enemies, treasonous behavior, slanderous charges from the dinosaur media and its lackeys towards hundreds of people, I declared war on the Left.

People like you helped make me, so live with its consequences.

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 5:35 PM
Apples to oranges Pfesser No doubt electric has greater efficiency that internal combustion, but the requirement to generate the charge more than offsets the efficiency gained.

Your electrical engineering degree may allow you a degree of sway on this board, but it doesn’t gain you rate of return or practicality of production. If it were anywhere near feasible at this moment, I’m pretty sure the electrical engineers at Toyota and Honda would be far more capable than you in its design. And after 20 years and billions of research, the best we’ve been able to come up with is incredibly limited scope (see Chevy Volt for its practicality and sales numbers), with price tags making the alternative infeasible. We need not even talk about the costs of the batteries, the disposal, and the rare elements of production. I’ll believe Tesla’s promises when I see them. So far, all I’ve seen are government backed loans and promises of $30K sedans sometime in the foreseeable future with a current price tag of well over $100K for an unproven product. As GM just discovered, it is one thing to build a prototype, quit another to mass produce a product.

Think Solandra…

Other than hydro and nuclear, there are no other feasible alternatives to generate the charge than fossil fuel and that is the point. The only intermediate step is refinement of gasoline, which is obviously one of the most efficient sources of production and logistics in the world. A fraction of the cost in the production of a 55 gallon barrel of crude.

Generation of electricity can make no such claim, and in fact, its transmission across lines is estimate at over 30% loss during peak demand.

In addition, I saw where the cost of even building the grid to handle the additional load requirements for large urban areas estimated anywhere between 2-5 trillion dollars, and that is just to make it practical for the consumer.

Finally, you’re going to discount one journalist, but you’re going to quote an NYT journalist hack as expert ? 😆 Too much.

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 5:20 PM
Pfesser – What about the old trolleys or busses that ran on electricity. There was an over head wire and a pole from the vehicle that linked up with it. Okay it wouldn’t for country driving but could it work in cities. Taxis, busses, delivery trucks.

Yes? No?

Peace

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By: Cynthia on September 3, 2011
at 4:36 PM
electric cars. Interesting concept, really – and one in which I as an electrical engineer have had a modicum of interest for several years – and some training.

I read the article by the Globe and Mail’s resident expert, one Miss Wente. Laughable. She knows no more about electric propulsion than a hog knows when Sunday comes and citing her as an expert only marks one as a rube oneself.

It’s hard to know where to begin to dismantle such nonsense. The bottom line in any type of automobile is conversion efficiency, which is to say how much of the input power appears at the wheels. The Tesla, for example, uses pretty well-tested machinery, nothing exotic. It sports a 250 HP three-phase 4-pole induction motor with an efficiency of about 90% which propels the car without needing a transmission, clutch or torque converter, since the motor produces maximum torque at stall and can run close to 10,000rpm if needed. Oh – and by the way, it weighs about seventy pounds.

A really good gasoline engine will run about 35% efficiency. One producing 250 BHP would weigh about 500lbs (Ford Boss 302, hopped up) and require a transmission of another hundred at least, with a clutch or torque converter.

As for power requirements: yes, if we started pulling our energy for autos off the grid, it would take a lot of power, but that power would NOT be coming from gasoline. Even assuming you burn coal for the extra electricity required, the automobiles are so much more efficient that you get a net reduction in emissions. Taking everything into account, the Tesla – which is a car currently in production – has a relative fuel efficiency equivalent to a gasoline engine getting about 130 mpg. You just can’t get that with an internal combustion engine.

The current problem is with energy storage, which at this time means batteries. Yes that is a serious problem and one to be solved, but one should not be afraid of solving problems. Before Darwin we didn’t know about evolution, before James Clerk Maxwell we didn’t know that radio waves were possible. Chill out; the advantages of electric propulsion are so compelling that a solution will be found. There is great promise in the Bloom Box, which converts fuel directly into electricity.

A complete analysis is beyond the scope of this forum. The best discussion of this problem in layman’s terms comes from Tom Friedman’s “Hot, Flat and Crowded,” where he goes through a thorough analysis of the problem and the solutions.

Electric propulsion is absolutely compelling. It has problems, but you just roll up your sleeves and solve them – or you could do like Rick Perry in trying to solve the Texas drought – you could pray for an answer.

How’d that work for him?

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By: pfesser53 on September 3, 2011
at 3:59 PM
helen,
i love reading your posts, and some of the comments.
what is upsetting is that a few witless people are using your
comment section as their own blog. they click you daily, waiting for a chance to disagree and be rude to your guests.
i hope they aren’t the reason you post so rarely.

and seriously…”all forms of noah”, get a life!

**i won’t be reading any more on this comment string, so being rude to me would be wasting time, although it seems you have nothing but, so go for it!

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By: sophia on September 3, 2011
at 3:20 PM
Read: FDR by Jean Edward Smith – Great Book

15 differences between REPUBLICANS and Democrats!!

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/fifteen-differences-between-democrats.html

Here are two differences:
Republicans fear that the government has too much control over corporations. Democrats fear that corporations have too much control over our government.
Democrats believe it benefits all of us to help the weakest and the poorest among us. Republicans believe it benefits all of us to help the wealthiest and most powerful among us.

David: You are a sad little fellow.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 3:14 PM
Dave James –

If you are just the messenger then, sweetheart, I would respectfully submit you need to work on both your people and communicating skills. Right now you are failing at both. You turn off more people then you are converting.

You come across as a smart mouth, wise ass, know it all bully. This attitude may be admired or respected by some but it definitely is not an acceptable or respected quality for many here.

And if I have your attention I have a question to ask. You refer to President Obama as The One or perhaps The Messiah. I have never met a Democrat, Independent, Liberal, Progressive etc ever refer to him in that manner. He is a just a man who is President. Yet you and Rush and others from that side use those terms.

Why do you think of him that way? If you give him that much power then no matter what he does it will never be good enough for you and you will be disappointed.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on September 3, 2011
at 3:05 PM
They stand today as tribute to a man who fought for America and Americans, Franklin Roosevelt.

Unemployment Rate 1939 = 17.3%

“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot.” ~ Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr.; Morgenthau Diary, May 9, 1939, Franklin Roosevelt Presidential Library

Recommended Reading:

“New Deal or Raw Deal? How FDR’s Economic Legacy has Damaged America” ($27.00, Threshold Editions).

Excerpt: To get an idea of just how bad the U.S. economy was during the 1930’s, Folsom notes that, even though the U.S. had budget surpluses in 1930 and 1931, government spending “ballooned and far outstripped revenue from taxes.” It was the Wall Street Crash of 1929 that precipitated the Depression, but it was FDR’s “solutions” that deepened and lengthened it, actually preventing any solution.

There’s always the WWIII solution.

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 3:03 PM
http://juanitajean.com/2011/09/03/dear-mr-president/

Dear Mr. President,
September 03, 2011

I love you. I voted for you. I worked for you. I believe in you.

The reason I supported you over Hillary Clinton in the primary is that Hillary was unsuccessful in getting health care for all Americans, and then she quit the fight for the next seven years. She dropped it. I want someone who will fight for me. And even when they lose, they will get up and fight again. I believed you would do that.

Fight, Mr. President. Fight for us.

For the past decade, we have tried it their way. The Bush tax cuts do not create jobs. All the cards are on the table face up, Mr. President, so nobody should have a problem seeing that. Tax cuts for the wealthy do not create jobs. Well, except for former Republican Senator Phil Gramm who is helping them hide their money in tax havens overseas.

It didn’t work for Hebert Hoover and it’s not working for you.

Since the rich did not create jobs with their windfall profits, we can. Put the tax rate back to what they paid under Bill Clinton and start rebuilding this country. People need jobs and, frankly, they don’t care if their paycheck comes from Joe’s Pavement Company or the United States of America. We still have buildings, walking trails, state parks, bridges and schools built by the WPA. They stand today as tribute to a man who fought for America and Americans, Franklin Roosevelt.

The Republican Party has made it clear that they are willing to destroy this country to get elected. Please prove the opposite, Mr. President. Simply say, “I do not care if I am not re-elected. I will save this country.” I know you believe that. We need you to act on it. Now.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 2:12 PM
well as poolman has proved, time and again, he and others like him are so bereft of any kind of independent thought that wasn’t given to them by CNN or the like, attacking the poster is all they have. Let us just keep in perspective who it is that keeps this blog as vile and nasty as it has been these past months, and that it is that way by their conscious choice.

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By: Anonymous on September 3, 2011
at 1:59 PM
The cost of war has escalated enormously! One of the reasons is PRIVATIZATION and Contractors doing jobs which were done by regular troops before GW Bush. Halliburton and Blackwater got great no bid contracts. They also buy out some great government trained troops and pay them 10X more to do the same job.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/day-destruction-decade-war-bunny-greenhous

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 1:57 PM
UAW,

A more accurate way to put this is that Senate Democrats won’t approve new funding for disasters unless they get the funding they want for corporations that make electric cars.

That story about Cantor from WSJ you posted? If interested, that situation worse than even you might imagine, when the whole idea of government boondoggle is taken into account:

The Shocking Truth About Electric Cars

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/the-shocking-truth-about-electric-cars/article2149465/

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 1:44 PM
Move on to what he thinks or move on to someone else already.

I appreciate the backup, but the fact is, they can’t. When you traffic in propaganda and your bluff is called, you are either resigned to admitting you are wrong, shooting the messenger (and their aim is too poor to connect), or retreating until the storm passes.

Or if you’re a real phony and without control of your faculties like Poolman, you adopt the martyr complex as he bears his cross, while he bails from Fannie Mae on his mortgage – Judas the martyr. 🙂 Poolman will save you from your sins and lead you into ~~bankruptcy~~ the promised land! Woe be to us…

So are you…..The Father…….The Son……..or The Holy Spirit?

Now how could you possibly ask that after electing The One – Barack Hussein Obama and fainting at his worship services of Styrofoam Greek columns and promises of calming the seas?

It wasn’t but three years ago, you boldly stated to us minions that you are the ones we’ve been waiting for, were you not? What were we waiting for again? Was it record unemployment, an additional $5 trillion in debt, or inclement weather patterns? Obama better be able to feed the masses with five loaves, because about this time next year, I’m predicting that is what you are going to be left with.

I’m just the little messenger boy Cynthia.

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 1:32 PM
Anonymous/noah/nwm/tammy/dennis,

Comments are directed at his views and vile conduct. What don’t you get? Don’t answer that. Really. I think we all know how credible you have shown yourself to be. Why don’t you off the black robe and get outside and catch some rays. Winter’s just around the corner. Take a stroll. Enjoy the real world a bit and re-adjust your perspective.

Microwaved brain is a terrible thing to taste.

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By: poolman on September 3, 2011
at 1:18 PM
All commentary seems to be about Dave directly and not about his views. I think it has been established dozens of times what people think of him. I think everyone has formulated and stated their final analysis of Dave, and it is becoming boring. You don’t like him, he is a big meany, we get it. Move on to what he thinks or move on to someone else already.

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By: Anonymous on September 3, 2011
at 12:58 PM
interesting reading….

This week the left-wing press has been attacking House Majority Leader Eric Cantor for holding disaster relief funding “hostage.” A more accurate way to put this is that Senate Democrats won’t approve new funding for disasters unless they get the funding they want for corporations that make electric cars.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904583204576542770484363328.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

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By: uawtradesman on September 3, 2011
at 12:36 PM
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Dave James is the very thing he accuses others of being. That pajama pillar of poppycock just tried to convince you that Cuba and East Germany were socialist societies instead of the totalitarian communist states that they are/were. Further that capitalism was the reason people risked their lives to flee these oppressive governments. Truth? I call Bullshit.

He’s the same that claims Cheney a good example of Christianity.

Pfffftttttt!!! Pity the brain dead, folks.

Obviously zombies exist.

America: Redefining Christianity so we can be its nation. 👿

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By: poolman on September 3, 2011
at 12:27 PM
Dave James –

So are you…..The Father…….The Son……..or The Holy Spirit?

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By: Cynthia on September 3, 2011
at 11:38 AM
Don’t take lack of interest in Tex’s ‘substance’ as inability to argue with him. There is no point in debating someone you don’t respect. He’s attacked personally because he’s a horrible person, and nothing beyond that matters.

😈 DeLurker, of all the people here besides the really ignorant ones, you’re the worst about trafficking in malicious lies and dishonest gossip. I mean bald-faced, disingenuous, insidious, duplicitous lies so blatantly dishonest that someone needed to call you on them. The fact that weak men like Pusser detest me is of no consequence. He’s not honest either, nor a particularly effective debater. In an open forum elsewhere, his idiocy is exposed for all to see. That is enough and need not be repeated here.

I don’t know your intent, whether personal or group. My objective here is not to win a political argument with you as people like you so esconsed in a failed philosophy, it would be a waste of my time to attempt to convince you otherwise. My intent is to expose people like you as willingly dishonest, assisting decisions that are damaging the nation.

Doesn’t matter how many defend you. Doesn’t matter that people may like your sweet demeanor here. None of that changes the fact you are rank propagandist, as is your blog, as are your pals. All of you live in a bubble of lies copied from the same failed liberal blogs of deceit. It’s a predictable pattern.

You need to learn truth is not relative. Truth is not your opinion. Truth is established in fact. You and people like you only extenuate the many problems your philosophy as caused. The results are no longer debatable – you and your leaders have failed in every capacity. The fact you find me horrible or hate me is irrelevant – especially to me.

You are not being singled out. But I grew tired of you getting away with hypocrisy unchallenged.

Here’s a really smart man. He’s talking about people just like you. If you’re really interested in truth, instead of what you wish truth to be, then it would be well worth eight minutes of your time to listen.

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By: Dave James on September 3, 2011
at 11:22 AM
Donna/Pfesser – I have heard Frank Schaefer a number of times on Thom Hartmann and I read about the Dominionist. What I don’t understand yet is the Family/C Street people and the Dominionist the same or two different groups? I passed by the C Street house in Washington when we were visiting someone on F Street.

James – though I am not afraid a group of conservative people will turn the US into a theocracy. Perhaps not but it doesn’t mean they can’t do damage trying.

“and each of us had to speak and pretend we knew what we were talking about for an hour”……you’re not still doing this are you? 

An interesting comment I came across, IMO

The truly wealthy in this country no longer need the working class to make their billions, its simply done by Banks and Wallstreet extracting their ton of flesh or in this case gold.With the global economy at their finger tips this country holds very little in store for them any longer.

Everyone have a safe, happy Labor Day weekend!

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By: Cynthia on September 3, 2011
at 11:17 AM
Pfessor, I’ll check the book too, though I am not afraid a group of conservative people will turn the US into a theocracy.

Your Hatfield and McCoy comments remind me of of “Why Men Love War” by William Broyles Jr.or “The Art of War” Some blogs and message boards are a form of verbal warfare and follow similar rules of combat. Its why though I know the difference, my emotions sometimes confuse the two. The psychology of war interests me. I wonder if the Hatfields and McCoys shared many of the emotions Broyles and others have described.

“War replaces the difficult gray areas daily life with an eerie, serene clarity In war you usually know who is your enemy and who is your friend and are given the means of dealing with both…

You can come back from war broken in mind and body or not come back at all But with knowledge that you have explored regions of your soul that in most men will always remain uncharted…

Some people like US Grant thrived in war and failed as civilians.’ King Rat” offers a good dramatic description of such a soldier.

I learned to be long-winded in grad school Only two students were in a two hour thesis course, and each of us had to speak and pretend we knew what we were talking about for an hour.

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By: James on September 3, 2011
at 7:38 AM
Thanks everyone. I like you too. J C.Franklin’s “The New Dealers” repeated an old story which went back as far as Thaddeus Stevens. FDR, Dean Acheson,, and others were also linked to the quip

Drew Pearson wrote in April, 1952. He said of President Somoza ” He may be an SOB but he’s our SOB.”

Hooray, Mageen! Our son,his college, room mate, our cousin, and others were where your son has been.It takes strength to bravely keep on trying until luck and quality show themselves.

The companies ‘floating’ managers is interesting. My only theory is they are afraid to hire new people, and they are utilizing their resources the way a farmer would when he/she uses a tillage tractor to clear out a feed lot instead of buying a smaller one.

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By: James on September 3, 2011
at 6:50 AM
pfesser: VERY interested in the Burton book. I’ve been reading alot by Frankie Schaefer and, from what I gather, this goes into even more depth. thanks.

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By: Donna on September 3, 2011
at 6:04 AM
who’s – not whose.

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By: pfesser53 on September 3, 2011
at 5:31 AM
There’s a play called “Hatfields and McCoys” that I’ve seen close to ten times. It’s pretty good, but the thing that has always stuck in my mind – even when I first saw it at age fifteen or so – is how, at the end, Anderson Hatfield and Randall McCoy are just so weary. They are so tired and disheartened by the fighting and killing that they sit down together as two good men and pledge to do it no more.

Sometimes I feel that way here. It seems like such fun at the beginning to shoot out the zingers and nail somebody whose been a little sharp-tongued or critical of you, but when the curtain is lifted, it’s a dead end.

**********
On a lighter note – Leah Burton’s book, “God, Guns and Greed” – an expose (how do you do that accent aigu? Let’s see…) exposé – hey, did it! … of the Dominionist movement in America, tying it to Bachmann, Perry, Palin and a host of other candidates from the ReBiblican party, just went up on Amazon yesterday. Should be visible and available for download in about three days, according to Leah. I’m going to pre-order the print version ASAP. It’s from Lexovien publishing.

http://www.lexovien.com/

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By: pfesser53 on September 3, 2011
at 3:28 AM
So embarrassed Bachmann is from my beloved Minneosta… Hey folks… let’s be nice…

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By: Dawn on September 3, 2011
at 1:45 AM
Hi, Poolman. Right on, Donna. Good luck to your son, Mageen! I can’t imagine anyone eager to hire last month with the debt limit fiasco!

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By: delurkergurl on September 2, 2011
at 9:44 PM
Oh Pearl!

James has been called worse.
If he’s a blow hard, he’s our blow hard.
Try to get along, or just…
scroll, scroll, scroll…

Helen. You snuck one in on me! It had gotten so hard to load all the comments, that I did not check in. It’s good to “hear” from you. Feisty as ever. Stay on those faux Christians. Someone needs to take them to task!

Good to “see” everyone. I’m glad we can accommodate the handicapped, also too. 😀

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By: poolman on September 2, 2011
at 9:01 PM
Stuff it, Pearl. Alot of us like him. And I enjoy his posts, certainly a heck of alot more than some crack like that.

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By: Donna on September 2, 2011
at 7:45 PM
James is a blow hard.

Love, Pearl

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By: Pearl on September 2, 2011
at 7:20 PM
This might be seen as uplifting on a day when it was reported that there was 0 job growth in August. Son has sent out over a thousand resumes, many of them repeats to certain companies to tell them he is just that much interested in them. Well, one of them actually got him a job interview which went very, very well. Just thought you all ought to know that in the face of so much bad news about people who have sent out as many and more resumes and can’t even get the time of day. Interesting factoid that resulted from the interview: franchises “float” their managers, rotating them around from store to store. Nothing seems to be permanent except the stratospheric bucks the guy at the top of the heap is raking in. Is there something wrong with this picture all the way from bottom to top?Econ class in both under grad and graduate level never touched on this.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 2, 2011
at 4:28 PM
I agree, Pfessor. Being polite and looking for common ground got a three year job for me. I told my protagonist he wrote well and asked if he was a professional writer. That broke the ice.

Later, I guessed national weather for a regional farmers almanac.I said “I’m not a meteorologist. ” He replied “It doesn’t matter. I’m not paying you.”

We later met in person.

I agree, but I am combative, and I like to needle people who wish me ill.. It is a failing.

If I could change anything, it would be to add private messages.

A tip of the glass back to you.

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By: James on September 2, 2011
at 3:40 PM
Excuse all the typos in previous post.

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By: Grandma Katie on September 2, 2011
at 2:53 PM
James – I’ve tried it all kinds of ways and I believe that the old Biblical references and accumulated wisdom of hundreds of generations are true: you cannot return anger with anger; you have to return soft words that are ON TOPIC, not personal. If you see somebody do this who is really good at it, it will blow you away how quickly it calms the attacker (if he/she is a good, well-motivated person, that is. If not, you just ignore them, since returning ANY kind of word just eggs them on.)

Having said that, I am the first to admit that I cannot do it some of the time – no, most of the time, but it is still the best thing to do.

Look, this is a pretty good place to hang out, but at times it turns into a sh*t hole and I hate coming here. The attackers and name-callers who cannot remain on topic – hell, they can’t even GET on topic – ruin it for everyone.

But in the long run, it is what we make it. There are decent folks here who I think are willing to let old wounds heal; what do you say? Why not?

BTW, an old buddy is visiting for the weekend; even as I speak we are drinking a cold one and toasting the hardy midwesterners! Go get ’em, fellas and gals!

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By: pfesser53 on September 2, 2011
at 2:52 PM
Helen – what a delight to have you back. Ii was enjoying very much the new posts until Sept 1 pots from all the trolls. How t hey can find time to write s uch lengthy posts and get anything else accomplished is beyond me. plus my computer will refuse to handle the heavy download. With all the olitacl garbage these days we need you to add some sanity and humor to our days

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By: Grandma Katie on September 2, 2011
at 2:52 PM
delurkergurl, you don’t need anyone to protect you, and I didn’t intend for you to be the main topic after I defended you. Ripping someone’s argument to shreds is fair game, in my opinion but accusing a person of lying, name calling or other personal attacks cross the line in my opinion. That is why I wrote you were none the things “Tex” called you. I did the same for Donna, another person who can look after herself. Calling Donna something like a shining light was overkill, but I felt like it.

However, though our friend presents a hard exterior, he has unintentionally revealed hints that he is not what he seems. I like him, but I wish he would stop the personal insults just as I wished the others would. They are counter productive, and he doesn’t need them, in my opinion. His case is usually strong enough without such attacks.

He, and I report… etc have always been polite to me, so I have no reason to think ill of them.I report, even stopped posting links and argued with me once. As in NASCAR, you take friends where you find them. I think they both add something to the forum, and their status is beyond our control. I don’t believe I have ever said someone shouldn’t write here. I have made no secret of my doing what I could to irritate some of them so they would leave.

It occurred to me that by letting some insults pass, I was being a hyprocrite, so I politely objected. I’ll do it again fi I feel like it. I rarely get angry for more than a few minutes, but I will get even.

You already know how twisted I am, because I told everyone I like Katy Perry’s Last Friday Night video.

I had an ededic memory before my head injury, and I still have pretty good recall.

Here is the hang nail story. I wrote that Obama’s refusing to look at our flood when he was already in eastern Iowa told me something about his political skills and his attitude toward people in the Missouri River valley.

I didn’t want to use NOP’s name because I like her too, and she caught some flack from others after her comment. She wrote in effect that Obama had better things to do than look at our little flood. If I really wanted him to know about it, I should go to eastern Iowa and tell him.

I replied it was the symbolism “stupid” not that his coming to the flood would change anything. She also told me we would get our lost income back in government payments. I told her the flood was much larger than she suspected. The only money we will get will be through crop insurance.

To my mind, we good- naturedly teased each other several times more, and I later wrote ” I told her so.” That was my way of getting even for the hang nail comment. I couldn’t be mad at NOP. She wrote they were donating double their normal contribution to local charities in honor of our flood. Pfessor also offered to donate some money. Things usually don’t get to me, but that did as well as your offer.

Our church food bank buys food from a charity in Council Bluffs, and about five dollars yields around twenty dollars worth of food. My wife just finished writing the grant application to keep it going another year. Our three Methodist Churches have volunteers who distribute the food. We have a list of what a couple, single person, or family needs, and when they come, we check off the list and put items like chicken, soup, bread, strawberries, breakfast food, into boxes which we give them.

One minister serves our three churches. The mailing address is:

United Methodist Church

Mondamin, Iowa 51557

The check payee is United Methodist Church Food pantry. Without that the money would go into the general fund.

This food bank began to help poor people, and then flood victims too. If you would rather help a charity totally devoted to helping flood victims, I could find one. Just your offer has made me happy.

Thanks for the complement Pfessor. I think you are a good man too.

There you have it. People tell me I am kind, but I am also confrontational and sometimes hypocritical. When I was in the service, my commander told me I could get along with a fence post. Thank heavens our farm has lots of fence posts.

I’ll have a cold one for you at the party and probably tell people why.

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By: James on September 2, 2011
at 11:25 AM
Pfessor. I will just say I disagree he is far worse than those on the other side. I would say he is more consistent, but by no means worse.

I would say Dave has a strong argument for giving as good as he gets. I don’t know who fired the first shot, but I have a feeling he will fire the last. This is a war no one opposed to him seems capable of winning, so why continue it? I would love nothing more than to see both sides apologize and go back to civil discussion of topics.

The problem is the disproportion of Liberals to non Liberals on this blog. I can say with some certainty that 95% of the non Liberals would adhere and even applaud civil discourse. Liberals on the other hand, I would guess far less than 50% would. I think we would have a bunch of hit and run, 1 or 2 time posters, who would say something inflammatory to stir the pot. Then we have those that believe that only Liberals belong on this blog, and will continue to try to drive others not like them out.

Not to point fingers, but I think if anyone truly wants this blog to remain civil it has to begin with the majority. They have to make this place conducive to civilized talk and not be a party to activities that detract from that. If the majority is not willing to put forth the effort to do this, then they have little room to complain and should expect things to continue as they have been for months.

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By: Anonymous on September 2, 2011
at 8:25 AM
EVEN REPUBLICANS ARE UPSET WITH THE STUPIDITY OF THE CURRENT REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP! Chuck Hagle speaks out!

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/former-republican-senator-calls-gop-irrespo

It just seem strange to me that hate filled right wingnuts insist on going onto a LIBERAL LADIES BLOG and then get upset when people talk about their ideas which happen to be in line with the host! To me, the RIGHT WINGNUTS just want a reason to be mad!!!! Right Wingnuts should be happier spending more time at Rush or Sarah’s site.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 2, 2011
at 8:24 AM
Well, this is a spirited discussion of a spirited post. This is my first time here, thought I’d chime in.

Defending Rick Perry is like defending noxious sheet rock from China, but in his defense, he was against the stimulus package and was very vocal about it. The deal is, when that went into law, it went into law for all of us. I live in Houston, TX, and my tax dollars are going towards that stimulus just like everyone else’s. I would have been quite ticked off if he didn’t take those stimulus funds. It would be akin to being forced to buy $1000 worth of groceries then leaving the store empty.

Now, what I don’t like is how he, or any republican, takes the stimulus money for a photo op as if to show they were the ones responsible for infusing this money into the local economy. That’s the hypocrisy.

I’ve lived in Houston for 37 years. One thing I do know about Houston, it’s a business town and whenever there is any trouble anywhere in the country with unemployment, people come here. The last time I saw this many out of state plates was back in the late 70s and early 80s when people were flocking to Houston from the decaying Rust Belt. And I doubt most of the jobs these folks are here for now are government jobs.

That being said, Rick Perry had nothing to do with the Texas miracle. Texas has always been business friendly no matter who was running the place – even Ann Richards (who I adored, btw). And, there are plenty of people who miss Ann. She is not a laughing stock, not by a long shot.

The Texas miracle is fueled in part (a big part) by the rush to frack shale which releases the vast reserves of natural gas contained therein. Texas has a huge amount of shale and it’s generating a ton of jobs. Of course, there is a lot of controversy about fracking shale and the effect it has on drinking water. But this is Texas, we’re near the bottom of the bunch when it comes to clean air and water. Houston’s horrible air quality is perhaps second only to LA. You can’t cater to big business and have clean air and water.

~ Elizabeth

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By: Elizabeth on September 2, 2011
at 8:20 AM
I find it interesting that 99.9% of non Liberal views come from horrible people who no one wants to read or listen too. You call it a reason, I call it an excuse.

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By: Anonymous on September 2, 2011
at 8:03 AM
James, I know you to be a good guy and a fair one; you and I go ‘way back on this blog. But I don’t think we can criticise the other folks for name-calling and then support someone else who is doing the same thing – only FAR worse – just because he agrees with our own political views. As Bill Penn said, right is right and wrong is wrong.

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By: PFesser on September 2, 2011
at 7:53 AM
Don’t take lack of interest in Tex’s ‘substance’ as inability to argue with him. There is no point in debating someone you don’t respect. He’s attacked personally because he’s a horrible person, and nothing beyond that matters. He is smart enough to have real impact if it weren’t for his nature. Instead he just keeps making a nasty joke of himself. Very few people even read what he writes after the first 5 or so words that give his identity du jour away. I don’t. It’s the same reason people don’t have interesting discussions with Noah. Discerning where to spend your time is important when you have a full life – a strong marriage, loving family, good friends, active church, fun social life and a rewarding career. I’m not sorry that I don’t have time to participate. I don’t miss it at all.

I gather from reading posts from people who DO interest me that I’ve been attacked by the bully again. Yawn. It would be hard to imagine caring less. Thanks to anyone who stuck up for me. It’s unnecessary, but nice gestures often are. 🙂 So thank you. To show my appreciation, I’m going to make a donation to a domestic violence charity, and to Planned Parenthood in Tex’s name.

James, I’d like to hear your definition of human decency if Tex passes your litmus test! 😀 I don’t know who called the flood a hangnail but that was obviously a dumb thing to say. It was probably misplaced aggression from someone who was cranky at you personally. Have a glass of something cold for me at the Screw the Flood party, OK? Sounds like fun. Actually, since I have my checkbook out, help me find some worthy flood-related charities in your area. 🙂 I know some were discussed on a previous thread, but it’s quicker to ask you than to wade through the muck to find them. Pun intended, sorry!

I’ve agreed with Pfesser a few times lately. When he puts his ego away he’s pretty funny and smart! Who knew? 😀

Have a happy weekend everyone. Yes, everyone. I meant it!

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By: delurkergurl on September 2, 2011
at 7:45 AM
Well, well…it would appear that I have unmasked “Dave James,” wouldn’t it? Don’t need any of that fancy Internet software to do it; it’s a trivial pursuit. You just need to know how to push the hot buttons, something at which if I do say so myself, I am very good.

My apologies to you, as well, Donna. I too have taken many cheap shots and state publicly that I regret it. I have many faults and a flaming temper is the one that has caused me the most remorse. Our heated exchanges have been very unproductive and most provoked by me.

M&H has a very unusual pull to me; I don’t know why. Since I sit at my desk 8-10 hours six days a week it is simple to just keep the blog open. I have come within inches of bagging it several times, but have decided that most of my own problems were of my own making. There are nice folks here; occasionally things get a little hot but that’s how it goes with family sometimes. Since Jan 1 this year I have tried to keep it cool – kind of a New Years’ resolution; I don’t always succeed.

I love a good argument. Unfortunately bullies really crawl up my nose, so everybody forgive my little lapse. It was worth it, I think, to force Ko-Tex to now seek yet another alias, further diluting his already weak influence.

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By: PFesser on September 2, 2011
at 7:24 AM
Dave and his detractors are a sign of the future election. As anon wrote, Dave backs up his views with facts anyone can find. Most people who attack him go after his personality or change the subject because his points are hard to refute. As I told Tex long ago, I’d love to have him on my high school debate team..

I believe our microcosm will be the next election–facts , obfuscation, and an unusual blast of mud.

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By: James on September 2, 2011
at 6:57 AM
Early on, someone compared our flood to a hang nail when I wrote that several people around here were irritated when Obama couldn’t be bothered to visit the flood zone though he was campaigning on his bus in eastern Iowa.

I answered it was not dramatic but much more than a hang nail. A Sioux City television station reported an estimate that our flood may cost as much as hurricane Irene. No one will know for sure until after the water leaves. Parts of the interstates may not be repaired until 2013.

Now, FEMA is running out of money after helping cope with the drought, blizzards, tornadoes and other emergencies. Republicans and Democrats are arguing over their ability to fund more FEMA cash because of the debt ceiling agreement. Apparently Congress allowed for an extra unfunded six billion dollars, and FEMA’s work will continue. Otherwise, new storm victims’ aid will be delayed. A couple more hurricanes will take care of the six billion.

A local tavern called the Sand Bar is hosting a free Screw the Flood party this weekend, so the end of the water is in sight.

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By: James on September 2, 2011
at 6:48 AM
Tex: I don’t need to go look for insults by Pfesser–if he’s made them, he’s made them. I’ve certainly been nasty to him, and I regret it and apologized for it. I do know that he’s tried here to be decent to people and I choose to focus on that. Have a happy Labor Day yourself.

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By: Donna on September 2, 2011
at 6:38 AM
pfesser, you may not like his methodology, but the content of Dave’s posts are almost always spot on, and he always backs his opinion with supporting facts. The people he argues against almost never do They just give an opinion about something someone somewhere told them and state it as if it were fact. You will note 99% of the posts about Dave take him on personally while less than 1% challenge anything he postulates. This tells me his facts are not in dispute. I am rather comforted by the fact we have someone smart enough to see what is sometimes well disguised propaganda and shine the light of truth upon it.

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By: Anonymous on September 2, 2011
at 6:38 AM
As you know, real life does that to a person Mageen.

Dave Jones etc and I report… both have a right to write on this site as long as they don’t break any rules of human decency. They add traffic and make the site more interesting, in my opinion.

I suspect the next campaign will be nasty. People have internalized the sterlling qualilties and hope which won Obama the election, so his failures have not affected his approval rating as much as they might have.He is down in the polls because voters are frustrated, but a change will take his popularity up again.

However, time is running out. The longer our malaise continues, the more likely it will be that gut attitudes will change, and they will be just as impervious to new conditions as they have been. Within a year, even if the economy improves, it will be too late for Obama. It will be the Republican’s election to lose.

For that reason, it will be an especially nasty campaign as Democrats attempt to personally destroy the Republican candidate. They will have to change the subject to personalities because their policies are virtually indefenceable without a major change in outcomes.

Already, Obama’s attempt to preempt the Republican debate rivals what he might actually say. Democratic attempts to threaten a theocracy if a Republican wins are also ways of changing the subject. Of course, the Republicans will respond in kind.

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By: James on September 2, 2011
at 6:31 AM
While you and I have had our differences, I have increasingly come to respect you and was concerned that you might have decided to leave this blog. Glad you didn’t.

That’s good Donna, but unfortunately on another blog, I’ve found Pfesser didn’t share your mutual respect, as he provided me with a number of rather derogatory adjectives with which to address you before he decided he didn’t love me.

Think about that while you pal around with our resident superman. Have a happy labor day.

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By: Dave James on September 2, 2011
at 6:31 AM
Angry and bitter as are all those who do not contribute to their own upkeep, he is just an Internet bully, roaming around various blogs – safe in the knowledge that nobody can reach him and slap him across the mouth and send him scurrying back under his wife’s skirts.

Truth from the same man who once analyzed my marital problems which never existed, only to find out our resident porn fan making the accusations has left a trail of marital destruction clear across W.V., with child rearing appearing something out of a Jersey Shore.

From a “doctor”, who apparently has all day to scan the internet with me, and doesn’t appear to be particularly solid at the sciences.

And from a bigot, who finds religious fanaticism hiding around every corner. Oh, those scary ‘Dominionists….’ Believe me, I would dearly love our “karate kid”, another of his expertise (snort), to get a chance to slap me across the mouth.

Being Kotex is the best insult he can come up, and he uses it time after time as an insult, I think he’s found the right home.

If it he looked up, he would see the explanation.

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By: Dave James on September 2, 2011
at 6:26 AM
Oh, dear, Dave James, mansplaining to the last to those of us who ‘need his help’, and criticising Molly Ivins’s hair style – when the late great Ms. Ivins didn’t make her style into a selling point, as Ms. Bachmann does hers, every single day.

Helen, how is Margaret? I would sure send her and Howard – and you – a couple of my husband’s pies (his pastry is as light as a feather where mine is like lead roofing, but I do a gooooood apple and damson mix for the filling) if I could.

One good thing about Ms. Bachmann: she doesn’t try to pass herself off as a scientist, at least, only as a “doctor” from time to time. And she’s so busy praying away the gay, taking care of her 23 foster babies, studying law and clerking, running for office, running the family farm, managing her Federally-supported house payments, and incidentally occasionally dropping into Washington to represent her constituents, that she doesn’t have time to read or understand any ordinary high school chemistry, let alone atmospheric chemistry. So she wouldn’t know a great deal about CO2. Having an *informed* opinion isn’t a prerequisite for a political candidate, surely?

As for Mr. Perry, it’s documented that he balanced his budget with Federal stimulus funds. He palters with the truth every day, he thinks being uterus-enabled vacates moral agency, he’s dead keen on making government small enough to fit inside a woman’s uterus and thin enough to get between her and her conscience, he was a C and D student at university, and he doesn’t understand the scientific method, but hey! I like him. He’s a snake, but he’s an awfully *good* snake.

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By: Vinaigrette Girl on September 2, 2011
at 6:22 AM
Good morning, pfesser. While you and I have had our differences, I have increasingly come to respect you and was concerned that you might have decided to leave this blog. Glad you didn’t.

Isn’t the true measure of a person how they act when there are no adverse repercussions? We all fall short and I have certainly taken some cheap shots when I could have walked away. But I’ve regretted it and tried to do better–because I know that acting like a jerk is never a good thing, and it’s almost worse to do it anonymously. The way someone behaves when (and because) he can get away with it is the true reflection of the person.

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By: Donna on September 2, 2011
at 6:19 AM
Someone mentioned Mitch Daniels! Does anyone remember his philosophy when he was in the Bush administration? The usual government is bad to the bone anyway so its OK to beat up on it and kick it to the curb in any way shape or form. So what if one profits from all this pugilism? Well, now his is governor of a state and wow! did his ‘tude change. Guess he stumbled into the real world.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 2, 2011
at 5:51 AM
Don’t think for a minute that you don’t know who “Dave James” is. It’s a fellow who does not work “outside the home” – as we like to say of stay-at-home moms – but also doesn’t work “inside the home” either. He has all day-every day to criticize and decry those who live off the system, but doesn’t see the irony in his own home. Angry and bitter as are all those who do not contribute to their own upkeep, he is just an Internet bully, roaming around various blogs – safe in the knowledge that nobody can reach him and slap him across the mouth and send him scurrying back under his wife’s skirts.

For those participating in the P.I.S.S. ref. “Tex” or “Ko-Tex” or “Ko-Tex Piss-Ant” might consider He/She/It and “Dave James” to be one and the same. He picked up the moniker “Ko-Tex” because he is always uptight, outta sight and in the groove. Apologies if that’s a little too graphic.

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By: pfesser53 on September 2, 2011
at 5:37 AM
Where are the jobs? Here – given to foreign workers at minimum wage.
Hershey’s got caught.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/democracy-now-alleging-captive-labor-forei

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 2, 2011
at 5:29 AM
REPUBLICANS ARE SUCH INSENSITIVE IDIOTS!!

Rep. Gabby Giffords got shot in Pima County, AZ (6 died) so the IDIOT REPUBLICANS IN PIMA COUNTY have a raffle for the same type gun and 3 loaded clips – just like her shooter had. THAT IS CRAZY on a good day!

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/pima-county-gop-gun-raffle-not-insensitive-b

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 11:39 PM
Helen, you are brilliant. Thank you for saying it all so well.

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By: susansavia on September 1, 2011
at 11:23 PM
The charts below are taken directly from the most recent NAEP report card, generally viewed as the “gold standard” among measures of student achievement. Here are the results among eighth-graders over the past 20 years in reading:

Overall scores are up.
White scores are up.
Black scores are up.
Hispanic scores are up.
And for math:

Overall scores are way up.
White scores are way up.
Black scores are way up.
Hispanic scores are way up.
Obviously it would be nice to be doing even better. It would be nice if black and Hispanic scores were catching up faster.

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 10:56 PM
Unemployment was at 7.3% when Obama took office. It’s now at 9.1%. That means technically Obama is responsible for 1.8% of unemployment since he took his oath w/a recession that was sooooooooo bad, that the economy floundered almost into a depression. Kudo’s to our president!!!

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 10:51 PM
Dave James: You are one sorry and hateful fellow. You should go hang out in the Rush or Sarah blog – they would love your stupidity!!!!!

Corporations that are major tax evaders!!!! Guess who pays the taxes when the wealthy and the large corporations don’t pay – THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2011/apr/10/tax-evaders-wall-shame/

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 10:49 PM
How has education done the last 20 years? Scores are up actually – take a look. Public Education works, if we are being honest!

Not too honest. Looks like I Report, You Decide links a lot needs to find some new linkage material. As usual, both his conclusion of subject and information are ass backwards…

Unless you choose not to believe colleges and ACT testing. They say our kids and public education are an abject disaster:

Scores show students aren’t ready for college
(75% may need remedial classes)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/17/scores-show-students-not-ready-college/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

Three out of four graduates aren’t fully prepared for college and likely need to take at least one remedial class, according to the latest annual survey from the nonprofit testing organization ACT, which measured half of the nation’s high school seniors in English, math, reading and science proficiency.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 9:44 PM
Good to see another post Helen! Mahalo, and keep them coming!

Sally

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By: Honolulu Sally on September 1, 2011
at 9:29 PM
What always struck me funniest about Molly Ivins was how that woman could have the unmitigated gall to comment about anyone’s hair?

I mean, look at this travesty:

So ugly, it looks alien – straight out of the Star Wars bar scene.

No wonder she was pissed all the time. Now that face and hair drew short straw from the womb.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 8:23 PM
PLEASE READ ALL OF HELEN’S POSTS AND DECIDE IF YOU REALLY SHOULD BE AT THIS SITE!!!!

I did. I’m decided. I’m here.

The venom of your comments are often opposite of what your hosts comments.

Yes. That is the intent. Anti-Helen venom

You should go on the Rush, Hannity, Beck and other Right Wing Blogs if you want to be with people that are of like mind.

They don’t need my help. You desperately do. 😉

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 8:17 PM
hey sir links-a-lot is back

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By: Anonymous on September 1, 2011
at 8:05 PM
How has education done the last 20 years? Scores are up actually – take a look. Public Education works, if we are being honest!

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/08/quick-look-how-our-kids-are-doing

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 7:05 PM
David James and Right Wingnut friends: PLEASE READ ALL OF HELEN’S POSTS AND DECIDE IF YOU REALLY SHOULD BE AT THIS SITE!!!! The venom of your comments are often opposite of what your hosts comments.
You should go on the Rush, Hannity, Beck and other Right Wing Blogs if you want to be with people that are of like mind.

Information: Republicans don’t give a dam about you! Good information
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/schultz-republicans-dont-give-damn-about-you

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 6:07 PM
Helen…
I am now confused…..
You complain about Rick Perry when he was in college but at the time he was a liberal……He even ran Al Gore’s election committee in Texas…….so he was f$cked up then and what about now??????good thing he’s not liberal now…..so why are you so mad….did your Shepard die also?????

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By: uawtradesman on September 1, 2011
at 6:05 PM
Welcome back, Helen! Bad as Michele and her ‘do may be, I bow to the wisdom of the late, great Molly Ivins, who in her day dissed Perry as “Governor Goodhair.” Who am I to argue? Both are a plague on good government. Keep telling it like it is, Ma’am. Some of us need to hear it until we understand, and others need to hear it just to know there’s someone else out there who agrees that the country is in a mess. Good work!

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By: thatotherjean on September 1, 2011
at 5:52 PM
Its like buying a new car. One falls in love until it turns out to be lemon.The truth hurts and will be denied as long as possible.

Pretty good analogy James. I would add while you’re still making payments too. 😉

Denial is a bitter fruit. I suspect these people like DeLurker are so personally invested in this utter sham called Obama, that they are embarrassed that he has proven himself such an epic failure and moron off script. I assume they even lie to themselves, but they will soon find Obama has now surpassed Jimmy Carter as the most inept President of the last 100 years. Smart Dimocrats are now backing off the support, since they want some space between them and the Titanic sinking. Since most of these leftist ilk have no form of religion other than politic, I cannot imagine how disappointing it is to find out this messiah who would calm the seas turned out to be Gilligan captaining the S.S. Minnow.

Short of ordering to kill Bin Laden, everything this dunce has touched has turned to dung, and even in that case, the intelligence gathered was at the end of a waterboard which blew up in their faces after their condemnation of BushHitlerHalliburton. Obama is a curse to America and will long term, damage his supporters as they are left with no credibility. Obama has become a punch line.

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By the way. To you, and Craig, and Noah, and a few others – and they are few here – who don’t traffic in the garbage, don’t take my loud condemnation of these shills personally.

I really would leave them to their own accord if they simply cast their vote, but they are such profound liars and propagandists, they need to be called on it.

They attack, including whoever the author is, because they have nothing else. And whomever they attack, they fear. In this case, it is Perry. If Perry suddenly dropped out of the race and Romney took the mantle, it won’t be a picosecond before they are dragging Romney through the mud.

What else are they left with but the politics of personal destruction? They certainly can’t run on Obama’s record, which is sheer misery and abject failure. They desperately want an abortion on demand proponent to feed their empty souls.

It’s actually a pathetic commentary on all of America that a disgrace like Obama made it the Presidency. Though Bush a patriot, we could have certainly done better than him too. When you think of all the broken promises, the disaster of the economy, the corruption of Eric Holder and Obama’s cabinet, the judicial fiats, the ineptness of our foreign policies under Obama, including how poorly Afghanistan has been handled under this regime, what a sorry testimony that we are even talking a close vote next year.

It just goes to prove when you have 51% of the populace that doesn’t pay a cent to the fed, when practically one out of six are now on food stamps, and entitlements going broke, and crony capitalism of Obama’s buddies like Jeffrey Immelt are the jobs czars – throw in the cheating, ACORN ballot stuffing, thug unions, and resurrecting the dead, you can actually buy and/or steal a national election in America.

And they may very well pull it off if we don’t fight them this time.

If Obama is reelected, I guess us 24 months max before the house of cards collapses and chaos ensues.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 5:44 PM
I agree about Ann Richards, though I didn’t know she was a heavy drinker.

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 4:19 PM
She’s not my girl friend. I just like her.

She like most of us, is trapped in her own ideology and bias.It has little to with inteligence or honesty.

Her misfortune is the walls are coming down, and reality is intruding. Its hard when one’s assumptions which become part of an identity begin to slip away.

Its like buying a new car. One falls in love until it turns out to be lemon.The truth hurts and will be denied as long as possible.

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 4:13 PM
I’d put Anne Richard’s record up against Perry’s anytime…her program of economic revitalization grew the economy of TX by 2% after suffering through Texas’ own economic trouble in the 80′s. God Bless her soul.

Anne Richards was a drunk and embarrassment to the state of Texas, which has changed dramatically the last 30 years. Her name produces belly laughs now, followed by “Thank You God.” Blown away in the election by G.W. Bush. Buwahahahaha…Texans had enough of her of her Annie Oakley routine – she’s like Al Gore now. An amusement.

I watched Annie stumble out of an Austin bar one night in the mid 80s – an absolute disgrace. A gray haired grown woman with a beehive hairdo and a lush..

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 4:02 PM
The fact that she doesn’t share your beliefs makes her neither stupid nor dishonest.

No, it does not. But the fact your girlfriend posts garbage not only chock full of lies but the exact opposite of fact, is corrected, then repeats the same propaganda does indeed make your beloved girlfriend dishonest, stupid, or both.

If this were the first time, I might chalk it up to youthful indiscretion and Obama toadyism. But this is the pattern of not only your Chatty girlfriend, but virtually all of your girlfriends you cavort.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 3:56 PM
I didn’t mean to make delurkergurl the center of conversation. She would probably hit me if she could. Ha!

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 3:55 PM
The fact that she doesn’t share your beliefs makes her neither stupid nor dishonest.

No, it does not. But the fact your girlfriend posts garbage not only chock full of lies but the exact opposite of fact, is corrected, then repeats the same propaganda, does indeed make her dishonest, stupid, or both.

You’re the world’s highest rated attorney and don’t understand that? 😐

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By: Tex Taylor on September 1, 2011
at 3:52 PM
Dave James, I assumed as much.

I once helped change a liberal site to the point where they made me a moderator. Three of us found another message board worse than this on its worst days, and it was more active.

Over time, a band of allies, most liberals, and I wrecked the site because of its intolerance. It was heavily moderated and one had to be circumspect. I used another message board and a victim’s blog to do the damage. When I left the first time, twenty four pages of mostly hatred followed me.

Someone who had been banned asked me to return to share her news so I did. I rehabilitated myself, and a year later, the central core of the blog and I left to form a new private message board.

One of the survivors and I found another message board, the only one besides this I visit. They are as tolerant of liberals as this is becoming of conservatives.

The internet is not for the faint of heart.

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 3:50 PM
I’d put Anne Richard’s record up against Perry’s anytime…her program of economic revitalization grew the economy of TX by 2% after suffering through Texas’ own economic trouble in the 80’s. God Bless her soul. Texas has gone downhill severely since she was Governor under Rick Perry.

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By: LibertyLover on September 1, 2011
at 3:46 PM
Delurker is a smart, sane, funny, kind person who holds different beliefs than you do. I don’t agree with everything she posts but that doesn’t detract from who she is as a person. And she is a very worthwhile one. For example, she doesn’t take pleasure in attacking other people personally. The fact that she doesn’t share your beliefs makes her neither stupid nor dishonest.

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By: Donna on September 1, 2011
at 3:33 PM
James, unlike Donna’s ignorant, accusations and trumped up charges, the ‘guises’ are out of necessity.

I would happily go right back to Tex, but I have to stay one step ahead of the gutless moderator, who doesn’t like it I don’t waddle to Grandma’s’ (cough cough) tune like the rest of the penguins.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 3:33 PM
Hey Anonymous… Mitch ain’t running, hon.

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By: LibertyLover on September 1, 2011
at 3:33 PM
Donna is another of the “good guys” as far as I’m concerned. I would happily agree with you when I think she is wrong, and cheer you on, but in my warped view, she is a shining light here.

I told you, Tex, I’m crazy, but I hide pretty well most of the time.

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 3:28 PM
You come here to attack people and you’ve made clear that you think it’s really funny to insult and belittle them and to tear down people they admire. But it’s despicable to turn your sights on Craig. How about laying off?

Oh baloney. I didn’t attack Craig. I even posed the statement in the interrogative.

Craig seems like a reasonable enough guy and whatever his situation, I wish no ill will toward him. He’s one of the few here who does get it. I was pointing out to Craig this DeLurker is a rank propagandist and activist, and I just proved it for about the 500th time that she continually traffics in lies. If calling a liar by ‘liar’ is belittling them, well that’s too damn bad.

I know you’re not interested in truth Donna, as you’re a world class political hack in your own right, but if you’re going to claim you’re without doubt the smartest person in the room, somewhere truth ought to enter into the conversation.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 3:22 PM
Dave James,

Here is why I defended delurkergurl, though she really doesn’t need it.

When my superiors used me as bait to catch some bad guys they betrayed me, and I felt abandoned, though they were watching. I was never so scared or alone in my life, and I broke several Biblical commandments as I helped eliminate men who were decent enough. It was just them or me.

“Save me, I’m lost, Oh Lord I’ve been waiting for you. I’ll pay any cost…” was how it was and still is deep in my mind.

When I came home anti- war protesters mistreated people like me, and I felt doubly betrayed.

Several years ago I was a token veteran phone in guest on NPR’s Talk of the Nation Science Friday. The panel of psychologists and others discussed a new program to help Iraqi and Afghanistani veterans re -adjust when they returned home. One man called me a perfect storm; of the type they were trying to help.

When I found this site, it harbored ideological bigots who delighted in driving away any one with a contrary point of view. Not all were like that. Many were kind. uawtradesman was here before me, and he could tell some stories, I’m sure.

I decided like the bad guys years before, some of those folks would have tried to kill me in different circumstances. I resolved to change the site. I didn’t know how, but I gave myself two years to effect a change. Some like-minded people showed up, and not all were conservative. I didn’t do anything. it just happened. Note the shortage of name calling and personal attacks compared to the past.

Now, for delurkergurl. We engaged in personal attacks as worthy of anyone elses’. She ought to hate my guts. However, she also defended me several times, and one of her posts was quite long. She also was kind to me in other ways.

I am a contradiction to the extreme, but one constant is loyalty. She stood up for me when she didn’t have to. I will eviscerate her arguments, but as far as I am concerned, she is a good person separate from her opinions. Some times, I let it pass, but on other occasions, I’ll be damned if I let someone disrespect her or a few others as people.

I like how you operate in all of your guises, and I hope you stay long after I am gone, but when I feel like defending someone I will.

It has nothing to do with what people think of me, as delurkergurl guessed. No one has to feel sorry for me. I am fine. Thank God you will never meet another person like me.

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 3:21 PM
I think Dave James comes off a bit strong, but I don’t think it is without cause. This is not exactly a blog where alternative ideas are accepted. They may be allowed, but they are neither accepted nor welcome.

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By: Anonymous on September 1, 2011
at 3:17 PM
Tex: I think that Craig may have been speaking in part about the fact that Delurker has gone out of her way to be compassionate to him during a very difficult period of his life. And I am betting that being treated with kindness and concern might just be more important to him than political philosophy.

You come here to attack people and you’ve made clear that you think it’s really funny to insult and belittle them and to tear down people they admire. But it’s despicable to turn your sights on Craig. How about laying off?

Craig–I am taking a long weekend and stopped by. It made me smile to see you back. My best thoughts to your dear Val. Don’t be a stranger.

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By: Donna on September 1, 2011
at 3:10 PM
What ‘we” make take as a lie..she may believe with all her heart.

I like to believe that perhaps “we” can hopefully convert some of these heathens. 🙂

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By: Craig on September 1, 2011
at 3:00 PM
Dave James..Delurkergirl is honest and fair. We all have our opinions here. If you don’t like them..well OK ..then move on or prepare your defense.

I don’t know how you write part of that with a straight face.

This DeLukergirl just clearly lied through her teeth – twice. No need for defense, as I just proved the published facts from the Bureau of Labor which contradicted her nebulous bunch of fairy dust about dwindling private sector jobs in Texas.

Not here to start any fights with you, but if you’re going to come to this gal’s defense because she’s a blog buddy or something, then you ought to at least recognize that makes you indirect party to the lies. You want them to repeat the 2008 meme of exactly what put this sham in the Presidency?

This Epic Failure for a President is clearly in over his head and as incompetent as anybody who ever resided in the Oval Office. If we are sure of anything now, it’s that the American public was duped into support of a total fraud – from his previous student record to his broken promises he couldn’t possibly keep. We discovered this week Obama was a marginal student while at Harvard, and his wife a borderline moron who was handed a degree. She’s so dumb, she never practiced law.

I see how you might let them off the hook once, but twice? I do hope you recognize that playing nice with these liars isn’t going to get you anywhere good.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 2:50 PM
Helen, if you’re ever in CT, I’ll set us up a couple of sidecars, we’ll have a blast. As for the government being too big, I think it’s not big enough. When companies think it’s a good thing to be able to poison our water and land and air to make a profit, it’s up to our government, we, the people, to reign them in.

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By: kimwim on September 1, 2011
at 2:35 PM
James,

How do you figure this DeLurkerGal isn’t stupid? If she isn’t stupid, she must be in such denial of fact to be useless. What is she? Made of cardboard?

I just provided the “official” Bureau of Labor Statistics, verifying that not only did Texas “private” jobs not dwindle as this DeLurkerGirl stated, and right below the link, but that Texas produced seven time more private sector jobs than any other state over the last decade – the same decade which Perry has been the Texas governor.

Either DeLurkerGirl can’t read very well, or she flunked basic math, or perhaps she is mildly retarded like a lot of progressives. You can only use the excuse of confused so long.

This appears like a completely helpless clan, totally dependent upon nanny state government and people far better and more talented than they are for their existence?

From what I have read, stupid is stacked like sardines on this board.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 2:08 PM
And again if that is the best you got, I think we have our man.

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By: Anonymous on September 1, 2011
at 2:06 PM
LibertyLover Case close? You said nothing of merit or consequence. His record in public service is what matters, and it is nothing short of incredible.

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By: Anonymous on September 1, 2011
at 2:05 PM
I’d take a country run by an AGGIE any day. Great culture! Great students!

Dave James..Delurkergirl is honest and fair. We all have our opinions here. If you don’t like them..well OK ..then move on or prepare your defense.

But no bashing around here. I , James and the PFessor would prefer it that way, but some seem to get really wound up and forget manners.

I have had Perry for how long…? GOD..since who was that woman with silver hair..? But we have felt no ill effects. My wife even sits on two appointed Gov. Perry committees for health care in Texas.
Now some will take issue with his education cuts. And most of those will be teachers..but again..how to you balance an economy..? There will have to be some pain.

Workers of the world unite!
Unlike Obama who wants the government..that’s you and me taxpayer to pay everyone’s health care,unemployment forever and still promise what?…
JOBS repaving sidewalks and streets. What stiumulus?
What… buy a automotive plant for the Union workers?..there’s a voting base for ya…Oh and don’t read the health care bill until we pass it, then read it…Pelosi.

That’s my rant for the month.
Been a while folks…
Get along OK.. 🙂

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By: Craig on September 1, 2011
at 1:59 PM
So glad to see a post again! And this one is terrific, of course. Always a treat. ConventGirl: I live in Texas and I shake my head daily in disbelief and bewilderment. 🙂 Not just regarding Texas and that VERY creepy Perry, but the entire national political scene.

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By: Lynda on September 1, 2011
at 1:43 PM
Mitch Daniels… yawn… ex-Washington Lobbyist (aren’t there enough of those in Washington?) turned politician with a “complicated family life” and not willing to allow his family’s “privacy issues” to come to light — I wasn’t aware that he was running.

He also was the Director of the OMB when we went from a $236 billion SURPLUS to a $400 Billion DEFICIT.

Didn’t he say he wasn’t going to run in May? Case closed.

Why do you keep dragging his name around like a cat with a mouse?

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By: LibertyLover on September 1, 2011
at 1:32 PM
Tricia– Perry isn’t the devil. he’s just another Aggie/C student. They grow alot of them in Texas. 😉

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By: LibertyLover on September 1, 2011
at 12:52 PM
Is this the best the GOP has to offer? Just wait until Sister Sarah jumps into the race with both feet in her mouth in about a week. She’ll show the GOP what’s what.

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By: LibertyLover on September 1, 2011
at 12:48 PM
Everyone is raving about Dick Cheney’s new memoir!

“Not quite as good as ‘My Pet Goat’, but still, the best book I’ve had read to me lately” – Former President, George W. Bush

“A solid piece of work. Light enough to swing, but still enough heft to really beat a kitten with.” – Former Deputy Chief of Staff, Karl Rove

“I assume it will be a nuanced and unbiased overview of the Bush administra¬tion that can serve as a reference guide for both serious historians¬, as well as the casual reader. I look forward to reading it.” – President, Barack Obama

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By: Cynthia on September 1, 2011
at 12:46 PM
So I wonder, for the droves of people on here to still sing the praises of Obama. Lets suspend reality for a moment and say Libs somehow proved that everything bad that happened to the economy was the fault of Bush. Obama has been President for 3 years now. If he had campaigned while running for President that he could not turn the economy around in the first two years even if he held both houses of congress and that in his 3rd year he still made few measurable gains while incurring all of this additional debt, would you have still voted for him?

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By: Anonymous on September 1, 2011
at 11:59 AM
Well I have to say I am encouraged for my hopes on Mitch Daniels. I floated his name on here twice to see what the reaction would be. This blog is notorious for using any means, and I mean any, to blast a republican. Twice floated, no comments. Yes, this is very encouraging indeed.

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By: Anonymous on September 1, 2011
at 11:53 AM
Brilliant as usual, Helen.

As a Canadian, I find American politics incredibly entertaining!! Sometimes my friends and I shake our heads in disbelief and bewilderment.

Helen, you give us hope that there are still some sensible, down to earth people in the good old USA.

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By: conventgirl on September 1, 2011
at 11:51 AM
Obama’s and Democrats’ policies have “given us a massive explosion of government jobs while the private sector dwindles.”

Delurkergurl is right. It is unsustainable.

We’ve been thinking of you and Val., Craig.

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 11:50 AM
Ha Ha! Evelyn!

Rick Perry is just a clever politician. It is possible that in a perfect storm he will be President Perry, and reporters will once again be trecking to Texas’ summer heat during presidential vacations.

I don’t want Perry as president, but I would love to watch those reporters suffer as they did when the Bushes were in the White House.

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 11:39 AM
delurkergurl is neither stupid nor a liar. She is just wrong, as I often am. I don’t care what she thinks of me. I like what I know of her.

I think I was wrong about the Solyndra company. This may have more to do with Obama bundler George Kaiser than I thought.

I mentioned an article from Political Math titled Rick Perry and Texas Job Numbers. He analysed the data to show that Texas economic growth is real. Texas’ unemployment rate is fairly high because so many people are flocking there for jobs. That would also take the medan wage down.

As I mentioned earlier, the California Silicone Valley company our son works for moved a department from California to Texas to profit from that state’s economy. The Texas boomlet is real, and the man who illustrated why wrote that he doesn’t support Perry for president. There are other reasons to attack Perry besides the economy.

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 11:35 AM
No, dear. Rick Perry is not the devil or the anti-Christ. That was Al Pacino.

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By: Evelyn on September 1, 2011
at 11:28 AM
I have been afraid to ask others in public, so I’ll do it here. Rick Perry, well, he seems like the devil to me. Is Rick Perry the devil? Like, in disguise? Maybe the anti-Christ? He just sorta frightens me. I don’t worry about Michelle Bachmann. She’s not going anywhere. Nutso, that one. But, Rick Perry is just so polished and seems like nothing can touch him. He’s the devil, right?

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By: Tricia on September 1, 2011
at 11:23 AM
Well, I suppose we could go for a massive explosion of government jobs while the private sector dwindles, like Texas, Craig. I’m shocked that you are in favor of that. Don’t you think it might be unsustainable?

My best to Val!

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By: delurkergurl on September 1, 2011
at 10:41 AM
Craig,

I’m just wondering if people like this DeLurkerGirl and that Think Progress blog she references can be sued for libel?

Clearly, this website is lying through it’s teeth and producing not only incorrect but completely misleading propaganda. And these statistics are from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. And you’ll note – these are private sector jobs paralleling the time of Rick Perry’s terms.

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/on-numbers/scott-thomas/2011/05/texas-adds-732800-jobs-in-10-years.html

So clearly, this Delurkergirl is a pathological liar or just duped to a very significant degree. Hard to believe people could be that gullible or dumb, but undoubtedly they are.

Somebody probably needs to notify the Perry campaign that these lies are being propagated by the Left and see if they can’t take legal action. At least obtain a retraction of these vicious lies perpetrated by weak people.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 10:37 AM
Yall ready for another Texas Boot kicking in order to get this country back on track. This country cannot take Four more years of CHANGE.
And this is after a stimulus plan…health care reform..”LOL” and record unemployment.

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By: Craig on September 1, 2011
at 9:37 AM
We need to start several more unfunded wars or hell, fund them, tack the bill onto the American People’s great grandchildren.

Like the $3,000,000 of debt per minute accumulated by the Obama Administration to strap on the backs of our grandchildren, and the not only unfunded – but unapproved – wars of Libya and Yemen, right Downgrade?

Why Americans pay income tax to support this kind of crap is way beyond my 3rd grade education.

Obviously. But your approval would indicate you are party to the 51% that do not pay a damn dime of federal income tax, and want others to pay your way more. Clearly a bum and a leech from the Left.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 9:28 AM
Perry’s Texas Miracle is a hoax that’s going to completely unravel. Where will Texas be then?

Still number one with more and more businesses flocking to a low income, high productive state with high wages. Smart people see through the crap, lies and propaganda of the ignorant and self-serving lackeys – in other words, people immigrate where the getting is good.

People are bailing out of blue states. The key for productive states it to keep the parasites from the Obama crowd outside their borders. If not, liberals will ruin them too.

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By: Dave James on September 1, 2011
at 9:23 AM
Perry’s Texas Miracle is a hoax that’s going to completely unravel. Where will Texas be then?

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By: delurkergurl on September 1, 2011
at 9:13 AM
You have to remember George W. Bush and the kind of things that happened while he and Karl Rove ran the United States. If you liked them and how it was, then by all means vote for any of the people who are trying to find a seat in the Whine House. We need to start several more unfunded wars or hell, fund them, tack the bill onto the American People’s great grandchildren. Why Americans pay income tax to support this kind of crap is way beyond my 3rd grade education. I might be a dumb ass but I ain’t exactly stupid.

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By: oldmanlincoln on September 1, 2011
at 9:06 AM
Got this in an e-mail yesterday and just had to share….

George W. Bush speech after capture of Saddam Hussein:

The success of yesterday’s mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq.
The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the dictator’s footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force.
Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people.
Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate ‘them’.

**************************************************
Malignant Narcissism

Barack Hussein Obama speech, Sunday, May 1, 2011:

And so shortly after taking office, “I” directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as “I” continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.
Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by “MY” intelligence community, “I” was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground.
“I” met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan.
And finally, last week, “I” determined that “I” had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
Today, at “MY” direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

Can’t find a better example than OBAMA

Hubris(/ˈhjuːbrɪs/), also hybris, means extreme haughtiness, pride, or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one’s own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

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By: Craig on September 1, 2011
at 8:50 AM
Mageen, I agree the Solyndra company failure is only one of many which fail each year. As you write, by itself, it doesn’t mean much.

However, Obama made it a symbol of his green jobs policy when he spoke there last year and used it as a prime example of the jobs his green policy would create.
His administration should have known the company had problems even then. The company later announced consequences would be dire if they didn’t get promised government guaranteed loans.

We tax payers will repay the guaranteed half billion dollar loan.

The administration should have researched choices of companies for Obama to speak. They should have known the company was on shaky ground. ? Kaiser, I think is the name contributed a lot of money to Obama’s campaign and is a major owner of Solyndra. Obama may have returned the favor by citing Solyndra as a green job maker. I don’t know if he did or not, and I don’t really care.

Conservatives are just doing their job in this politically charged atmosphere. Their counter symbol is what liberals would have created had Bush touted green jobs. It will fade quickly as both parties look for other symbols.

“It don’t mean nothin.'”

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By: James on September 1, 2011
at 7:55 AM
Classic hairstyle right rthere ladies! Keep em up and going 🙂

http://photogirl23.wordpress.com

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By: amybrantphoto on September 1, 2011
at 6:42 AM
Aw, gosh! Poor trolls! Jumping on that “green” company that declared bankruptcy after getting federally backed loans and public mention by the President. My, my! So non-green companies without such backing and mention never bite the dust at any time? My goodness!

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on September 1, 2011
at 6:08 AM
Great Post Helen!!!!
You are right on with your writing!

5 Job Killing ideas from the GOP

http://www.alternet.org/story/152232/5_worst_so-called_job_creation_ideas_from_the_gop?page=3

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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 3:10 AM
Helen, it’s so good to have you all back! Great post that tells the absolute truth about the state of the Rethugliscum Party these days.

And no doubt more trolls will be over here soon–they can’t handle the truth about the state of ignorance they swim in.

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By: Older_Wiser on September 1, 2011
at 1:53 AM
Halleluia!!

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By: Heidilouwho on September 1, 2011
at 1:33 AM
Anytime I’m going down through the newest posts that are showing up on my reader and I see a post from Margaret and Helen, I know it’s going to be a read that is honest, down-to-earth and usually downright hilarious too as you take apart so many of the phoney-baloney politicians and show them for exactly what they usually are -a bunch of bungling jackwagons!
I’ve always wanted a sister and was wondering, do you think you and I could be sisters cause we sure do think a lot alike! Great words and excellent delivery. Don’t ever stop writing this information for all to see!

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By: Jeni Hill Ertmer on September 1, 2011
at 12:45 AM
So glad to see a newMargarte and Helen post – woohoo !

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By: SarahT on August 31, 2011
at 11:23 PM
Trending away from you rubes….You can kiss Obama’s sorry ass goodbye!

Election 2012: Generic Presidential Ballot
Election 2012: Generic Republican 48%, Obama 40%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/generic_presidential_ballot/election_2012_generic_presidential_ballot

Wait until they get a gander of the epic economic failure coming. You rubes better dial up Hillary.

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By: Dave James on August 31, 2011
at 10:06 PM
THE USUAL OBAMA GOLDEN TOUCH: Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy: President Obama touted the facility only a year ago. “Solyndra, a major manufacturer of solar technology in Fremont, has shut its doors, according to employees at the campus. . . . Solyndra was touted by the Obama administration as a prime example of how green technology could deliver jobs. The President visited the facility in May of last year and said ‘it is just a testament to American ingenuity and dynamism and the fact that we continue to have the best universities in the world, the best technology in the world, and most importantly the best workers in the world. And you guys all represent that.’ The federal government offered $535 million in low cost loan guarantees from the Department of Energy. NBC Bay Area has contacted the White House asking for a statement.”

Rubes…

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By: Dave James on August 31, 2011
at 9:53 PM
Helen, You are so very wonderful!!!!
I think you are the best!!!!

Great Post!!

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By: JuneauJoe on August 31, 2011
at 9:44 PM
Thanks Helen! The day does get brighter whenever you post. I do not understand these candidates’ appeal. Not long ago, I would marvel, whenever the legislator from Minnesota made the rounds on TV, at how such a person made it to congress. Now she aspires to hold the highest office in the land. She really does have the blinders on, just like her friend from Alaska. As for the governor from Texas, he will learn quickly enough that there is a difference between local and national politics.

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By: Easier on August 31, 2011
at 9:32 PM
Molly Ivins had Rick “Big Hair” Perry pegged years ago. I’ve missed Molly and her insights into the TX lege and other assorted pols.

Molly Ivins found out a few years ago ‘Shrub’ was the least of her problems.

She’s in hell now where she deserves to be with Brother Satan. Most Texans are glad she’s gone and celebrated the day she died.

A mouthy, detestable woman, and ugly as a modern art piece.

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By: Dave James on August 31, 2011
at 9:29 PM
Hi Helen,
Sure are glad that you are posting again. Great post. Couldn’t agree with you more. We haven’t heard from Margaret in a while. Is she okay? Hope she and Howard were not affected by the Hurricane. Please let her know that we miss her around here as well.

And as for all of these negative comments. Ass hats.

Love, Pearl

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By: Pearl on August 31, 2011
at 8:41 PM
Brilliant post!
You are awesome!
All of these blow hard responses are just jealous of your talent!!

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By: Jackson R. on August 31, 2011
at 8:37 PM
Sorry about the double post. I hit the wrong spot.

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By: James on August 31, 2011
at 8:05 PM
Cynthia, I am not lecturing you about your level of information or time with books and magazines. The implication from earlier posts was the Tea Party people were unschooled. I was taking about the MIdwest Tea Party people, the only people I have met, not you. The people I met were not as described.

You’re welcome, Donna.

Actually, I think you and Cynthia are pretty bright and fun to argue with.

You may not read this or take the time to check, but I would like your opinions of Katy Perry’s latest video “Last Friday Night (TGIF) on you tube. It has a movie format with as much speaking as singing. Kenny G, Debby Gibson, some of the cast of Glee, Hanson, and others had bit roles. It has allusions to various events like Cory Feldman’s appearing in “Lost Boys” and the chicken which I think came from Rachele (?) Black’s infamous video.

My wife thinks Perry may be laying the ground work for acting, perhaps in a movie with her husband.

Both are Christians, but I don’t think the two Perrys are related.

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By: James on August 31, 2011
at 8:05 PM
I love it! you made my day!

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By: Laura Jaszkowski on August 31, 2011
at 7:49 PM
Cynthia, I am not lecturing you about your level of information or time with books and magazines. The implication from earlier posts was the Tea Party people were unschooled. I was taking about the MIdwest Tea Party people, the only people I have met, not you. The people I met were not as described.

You’re welcome, Donna.

Actually, I think you and Cynthia are pretty bright and fun to argue with.

You may not read this or take the time to check, but I would like your opinions of Katy Perry’s latest video “Last Friday Night (TGIF) on you tube. It has a movie format with as much speaking as singing. Kenny G, Dedby Gibson, some of the cast of Glee, Hanson, and others had bit roles. It has allusions to various events like Cory Feldman’s appearing in “Lost Boys” and the chicken which I think came from Rachele Black’s infamous video.

My wife thinks Perry may be laying the ground work for acting, perhaps in a movie with her husband.

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By: James on August 31, 2011
at 7:41 PM
Molly Ivins had Rick “Big Hair” Perry pegged years ago. I’ve missed Molly and her insights into the TX lege and other assorted pols. But we now have you Helen and thank goodness for that. All the best to you and Margaret

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By: Gail on August 31, 2011
at 6:59 PM
People we need to spread this blog to everyone. All our congress men and women . I don’t know about you but the thought of any of those people in office scars the bejebbie out of me. They want to take up back to witch hunt days. The thing that gets me is anyone thinking that their god is vengeful, mean, hate full is so very sad If he or her is that way why in the hell would you be follower of such a thing? A true god wants the best for you, for you to be happy and have a good life. He or she does not punish you , give you cancer , make your life bad That is man hurting man not a God. At least not mine.

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By: VIE on August 31, 2011
at 6:53 PM
Greetings Helen, glad to see your post and to see that I am not the only one appalled by these presidential candidates. They’re scaryier than Halloween.

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By: Shash on August 31, 2011
at 5:37 PM
James – you are right the original Tea Party were intelligent, reasonable people and many people here would have agreed with some of their concerns and might have considered joining them. It was a grassroots movement perhaps similar to the Coffee Party. BUT then they got highjack by those (Koch Brothers for one, Rove) who saw it as an opportunity to use these people to push “their” agenda. Do you remember the town halls don’t tell me that they were intelligent, reasonable, informed people.

The Tea Party that gets all the attention from the media today is NOT THE ORGINAL TEA PARTY PEOPLE. And the politicians the faux Tea Party elected do not have the best interest of the people or this country. They are not there to make government work; they are there to make it fail. They are there for the corporate world. Government has a purpose and can work if the right people are there to make it work BUT not some of these as*h*le we have in congress now and they are on both sides of the aisle. So please don’t lecture me that we don’t read enough or are not well informed.

Respectfully.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on August 31, 2011
at 5:34 PM
James–your point is well taken. Thank you.

And I see Tex is back in yet another incarnation.

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By: Donna on August 31, 2011
at 5:31 PM
Wonderful, as always, to hear from you again Helen -thanks!!!!

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By: Roz on August 31, 2011
at 5:14 PM
If one looks at the videos of Tea Party supporters, you see a group of uninformed, uneducated, mob-mentality buffoons.

Seems this Donna gem is either a poor liar, or the one uninformed. And that’s the smartest comment I read on this board from the rim tonguing toadies and dumb asses.

Come next November, you progressive POS are going to be sniffing Rick Perry’s ass in the elephant walk.

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By: Dave James on August 31, 2011
at 5:06 PM
I worship every word you utter…..I can depend on it to be true, funny or painfully accurate.

Your is the first blog I ever read and It changed my life……I love some of the blog world and some of the blog world loves me and what more could a person ask for. Do visit me someday at

http://losstearns.blogspot.com

Meanwhile, keep up your incredible utterances.

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By: lois stearns on August 31, 2011
at 5:00 PM
Martin Parker, Cynthia, and Donna, Maybe we Midwesterners are calmer and read more than people in other parts of the country. I am not a Tea Partyer but my wife, some relatives and I attended several demonstrations when they first came into vogue.

The majority was not angry, nor were they ignorant. The people I heard and met were not political bots. No one told them what to believe. They came together after the movement started because they shared a common attitude. The Tea Partyers reminded me more of a high school pep rally than a political protest. They also cleaned up after themselves.

They were determined and helped change the political dynamic. The Republicans have gained new strength in Congress and in local government in large part because of the Tea Party.

A long time ago on this site, I warned that the Tea Party was more than a gang of ignorant yahoos. They were a danger to incumbent Democrats and also Republicans.Without the Tea Party we would not be discussing the need to reduce spending. The record speaks for itself.

“Pure appeal to emotionalism, prejudice, fear and bias” describes some of the labor union protests in Wisconsin. Such attitudes are not the province of any one group.

The Tea Party is too conservative for me, and in my opinion, they have peaked. My hope is that Perry and his political companions are the high water mark which will fade as more moderate candidates replace them.

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By: James on August 31, 2011
at 4:58 PM
You seem to either be a very angry, or obsessed person Donna. Noah seems to take up a lot of your thought process.

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 4:49 PM
Those of us who are able to think and discern will readily note that Noah’s post of 3:09 p.m. is nothing but “labels, names, and generalizations.” It takes a particularly low level of self-awareness not to recognize when one does precisely what one accuses others of doing. But then, let’s pick up on Evelyn’s comment: how much integrity does it show when someone publicly announces he will not return to this blog until he has been asked back by the house but then simply comes back and posts as “Anonymous?” Actually, that seems to show someone who can’t deal in facts or logic or his fabled “Gert’s Rules.”

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By: Donna on August 31, 2011
at 4:41 PM
God I love trolls on the interwebz.

This may be the funniest post you’ve done yet ladies. Good times.

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By: mouse on August 31, 2011
at 4:36 PM
Yep Helen… it is the best they have to offer.. because this IS the 2011 GOP…. bat shit crazy, nut cases.

Keep on bloggin girl! xo

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By: lori on August 31, 2011
at 4:29 PM
A very well presented emotional argument Donna. Labels, names, generalizations, I think you got it all.

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 4:26 PM
This Country is so messed up with greed and corruption I don’t know where to begin…For the past 3 years I’ve written about it to the point of frustration…Its all around us and out of control…

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By: ferrari33 on August 31, 2011
at 4:01 PM
That should be “Right on, Helen!” 🙂

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By: Julie on August 31, 2011
at 3:55 PM
Right on, Helen? Will you be my adopted grandma, please?

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By: Julie on August 31, 2011
at 3:55 PM
Great post, Helen.

Thank you and stay well.

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By: dailyreader on August 31, 2011
at 3:49 PM
Martin: An excellent point. If one looks at the videos of Tea Party supporters, you see a group of uninformed, uneducated, mob-mentality buffoons.

As for the religious right, the message frequently is pure appeal to emotionalism, prejudice, fear, and bias. Palin? Bachmann? Perry? No respect for science or facts or truth or logic.

Terrific new post from the hosts. Many thanks.

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By: Donna on August 31, 2011
at 3:35 PM
Martin Parker – “Progressives, unfortunately, appear to have lost the knack (or will power) for getting the troops to take action.”

IMO – I think it is more that TOO MANY Conservatives want to be told what to think and what to do. So it is much easier to round them up and head them in the same direction.

Unfortunately, Progressives do too much thinking and analyzing and prefer to stand alone or in small groups. Thus making it more difficult to round up all of them and head them in the same direction. They need someone with a BIG BULLHORN and WHIP.

Noah – “This is what makes Liberals like Helen so dangerous.” Insult not intended, but I think you give Helen too much credit. IMO you are just jealous that no one is listening to you or flocking to your blog. So why don’t you just make like a shepherd……

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on August 31, 2011
at 3:29 PM
Martin Parker, the difference being a Liberal makes it an emotional argument based on feelings and little or no facts, and a Conservative type makes it with facts and little or no emotion.

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 3:09 PM
Anon (at 10:40 AM – 8/31/11) says: “This is what makes Liberals like Helen so dangerous. Her words are meant to fire people up and fill them with so much emotional rage that they will do almost anything they are told.”

Interesting. This same statement could also be said of the Tea Party and religious right. Only, it does seem that the Tea Party and its ilk have been more successful at stirring up rage. Progressives, unfortunately, appear to have lost the knack (or will power) for getting the troops to take action.

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By: Martin Parker on August 31, 2011
at 2:18 PM
Ohhh, I miss you, and your on the mark common sense when you don’t post!! You always give me a laugh with your spot on humor….be well!!!

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By: Suzanne Holland on August 31, 2011
at 1:53 PM
In Texas we are now contesting with Mississippi for the most teen pregnancies and largest class sizes. We have won the greatest percentage of uninsured in both the adult and child groups. Rick Perry has made God so mad by assuming to speak for HIM that we are suffering a debilitating drought.

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By: TexasEllen on August 31, 2011
at 1:40 PM
Thanks for that Evelyn, thought I wonder why this is the 5th or 6th time your posting about this?

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 1:39 PM
That particular “Anonymous”–the one with the long and insulting post and the “name calling” one–is Noah. Noah is the only person ever singled out by the hosts for dumbness. He also claimed he would never return to this blog unless invited back by the hosts and, for someone who attacks everyone else’s integrity, promptly came back here but just posted as one of the “Anonymous” vistiors. He’s very easy to spot–the relentless claim that “liberals” have no response to his foolishness other than personal attacks (when his posts are nothing but personal attacks).

I am thrilled to see a new post from the hosts. It would be really great if people could limit posting links. Noah, of course, will–his
intention is only to disrupt the blog and he’ll do it by posting junk from the Blaze, etc. But it’s equally disruptive when the links are liberal. Occasionally, they are fun and interesting and informative. But I believe it’s been abused.

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By: Evelyn on August 31, 2011
at 1:23 PM
Fun reading, ladies. Love, health, and peace to you from NYC.

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By: Zyxomma on August 31, 2011
at 1:09 PM
Helen, I love you. I mean it. If you ever need pie or a fifth of gin or anything, just send me an email. I got you covered. Love, Harriet.

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By: harrietw on August 31, 2011
at 12:47 PM
PERRYS PRROBLEM IN tEXAS IS NOT HIS HAIR BUT TTHE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM OF THIS STATE,,tHOUSANDS AND THOUSAND OF TEACHER ARE NOW UNEMPLOYED THINKS TO Rick..families are having to pay for their children to ride teh school buses in Keller Texas schooldirtsuce..Talking aobut adding jobs,,low payimg jobs..It would rre ironie if he did not carry his home state,,he whon his last reelection with a very narrow margin

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By: idaleene on August 31, 2011
at 12:09 PM
“Anyonymous” says : “Name calling, last recourse of the weak minded.” And the saddest thing is, he/she/it (sheeIT!) doesn’t even see the irony in that. Oh well, enough about trolls. Helen, you rock!

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By: oldgrumpysteve on August 31, 2011
at 12:05 PM
Per the previous post, Mitch Daniels, Gov of Indiana has my vote. Walked in on a $700mil deficit, and 7 years of unbalanced budgets. Year 1 balanced the budget. Year 3, paid off all the states debt. Year 4 state had a surplus which now is over $1 billion. State spending has increased at half the rate of inflation for 6 years running. All this while enacting the largest tax cut in the states history. Anyone not think this is exactly what this country needs now?

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 11:51 AM
Name calling, last recourse of the weak minded

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 11:39 AM
Domininists don’t worry me any more than Obama’s Reverend Wright and the church he led.

I believe Perry and Bachman will not remain the front runners. They are leading now, because like Donald Trump, they articulated simple points which resonate with voters who are fed up.

It is hard to disparage Texas’s economic growth. A department in the California company our son works for was transferred to Texas because of the growing economy. That economy is Rick Perrys’ main reason’detre.

According to Political Math, who’s writer opposes Rick Perry, Rick Perry’s main contribution to the booming economy is prayer. Obama cannot create domestic jobs, and neither can Rick Perry. They can only approve policies which help or hinder job creation.

Anonymous, you should feel honored. I like your comments, but that Helen Philpot actually responded to your comments is good. I don’t remember her ever doing that before, though she probably has.

If you are still there, Hi Helen!

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By: James on August 31, 2011
at 11:35 AM
You made the case for her Anonymous. What an idiot. Go picket a planned parenthood clinic with your other friends.

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By: Paula on August 31, 2011
at 11:09 AM
Anonymous,

Your last paragraph is the perfect description of Michele and Rick… and most of the party they represent.

– ted

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By: ted on August 31, 2011
at 11:08 AM
You are the champion…. OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Helen for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Write more. Write more. Write more.

Suck it anonymous.

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By: Stacey on August 31, 2011
at 11:07 AM
Hmmm….

I postedt that last one. Not sure why it came up anonymous.

Have a good day all.

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By: Pete on August 31, 2011
at 11:05 AM
Anon,

Your didn’t even make an argument much less poked holes in hers. Just another bouncing jackass in my book.

Polls suggest that, in fact, Perry does represent the group. He’s their number one right now.

Love to you Helen.

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 11:04 AM
I think I just fell in love with your blog. Keep it up. Great writing and SOUND points of view!!

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By: Marlene Charbonneau on August 31, 2011
at 10:56 AM
When the exception becomes the rule, I support throwing the baby out with the bath water – bouffant and all.

Thanks for writing.

HP

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By: Helen Philpot on August 31, 2011
at 10:54 AM
It is easy, and a tad bit dishonest if you think about it, to take 1 or 2 extreme examples then try to make broad generalizations about an entire group.

I think these people like you Helen because you are delightfully ignorant of the real world, which fits in nicely with their narrow minded way of thinking. You do not hate these people because of something they did or said. You hated them for their political affiliation then found things to support that hate. You two are a walking fallacy and your minions love you for it.

I like many things about these two potentials, but at the end of the day I do not think they are Presidential and will fall by the way side. They are however easy targets and like Sarah Palin will be the focus of your parties hatred, and once again, will be used to make unfounded and twisted claims thus making broad generalizations about Republicans as a whole possible.

“Rick Perry wants Texas to secede because Washington has gotten too big.”
Considering the size and cost to the American tax payers I would think this is an obvious truth Helen. Could you enlighten us as to why you think government is to small? I read a report that if every dollar of money that goes into the welfare system, 78 cents is sucked up by administrative costs, and only 22 cents actually gets to the people that need it.

Premise: Rick Perry takes $17 Billion in federal stimulus dollars.
Premise: Rick Perry uses those dollars to generate a whole bunch of new government jobs in Texas.
Conclusion: Rick Perry celebrates the state’s job growth in hopes that we’ll send him to Washington.

Politics aside, here is the basic format of an argument. As anyone versed in logic can see this fallacy ridden style is generally the way a Liberal argues. Obviously Helen is not here to make a logical, or even an educated argument. Helen is here to make an emotional argument. This gives Helen permission to lie cheat and do anything else necessary to make her point.

This is what makes Liberals like Helen so dangerous. Her words are meant to fire people up and fill them with so much emotional rage that they will do almost anything they are told. Our failures in our educational institutions has made the populous ripe for someone like Margret and Helen to prey upon. All you have to do is hate something, show them why they need to hate it, usually by showing them how they are a victim because of it, then you have a cult that will follow you almost anywhere.

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 10:40 AM
Out of the ball park, Helen, out of the ball park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You amaze me.

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By: R.J. on August 31, 2011
at 10:31 AM
Helen, you rock! Thanks again for another enlightening post. As far as Perry is concerned, I can’t imagine another Texan POTUS since I thought our country had enough after eight years of W. Weird how soon people forget the tragedy that was our country following his administration. As for Michelle, when she stated in 2007 that investigations needed to take place on members of congress, I found it unimaginable that she wasn’t immediately classified ‘definitively crazy’.

Where do their supporters get off thinking these hypocritical blowhards have enough knowledge or education to avoid running our nation into the same economic ditch as W? I don’t think our country could or would survive!

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By: Disparaged on August 31, 2011
at 10:09 AM
Me, again, Helen. I bet you saw where the court knocked down Perry’s mandatory sonogram before abortion law. My, my! What the courts will do when Perry is out of town. Dang, did the rest of the world know that any woman seeking an abortion in Texas had to sign some kind of document stating that the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest? You know, when you document something like that it can be used to brand you, especially by some kind of religio/politician trying to make a name for hisself. Just think what Perry could do in this most private regard if he makes it to the White House!

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 31, 2011
at 10:00 AM
Hello Helen, nice to see you back again. It gets really, really crazy around here when you are away. I think the GOP has reached its level of incompetence with these candidates. If one of them gets the White House I will ask NY to join Texas in a secession campaign.

Peace.

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By: Cynthia on August 31, 2011
at 9:58 AM
Wow, Helen! What thou sayest! That entire cadre of ReBiblicans is looney-tunes! Bachman wants to completely eliminate the EPA? Hey, Michelle, honey, have I got a themesong for you. Take Prince’s “Purple Rain” and re-do it as “Acid Rain”! Obviously you are way too young to remember that phenomenon. Way back when, it was considered science fair level stuff to take a copper bowl and set it out to catch fresh rain water, then rinse your hair with the stuff. Most especially if you were blond, you came out with green hair! Been there! Husband had to run to the drug store for a bottle of Clairol so I could be seen out of the house again.

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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 31, 2011
at 9:50 AM
\Molly Ivins would be so proud of you, Helen.

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By: Darlene on August 31, 2011
at 9:46 AM
Oh Margaret thank you for your common sense and sense of humor. They are very much appreciated. It has bothered me since Ronnie Ray-gun’s administrations that religion trumps (so to speak) common sense. Sunday night I watched Aerial America on The Smithsonian Channel and they covered Maryland and Delaware. In Delaware (I think, I was struck by the facts not the location) the first state capitol had one church and one government building. They were built at the far opposite sides of the town to illustrate that they had to be separate. I miss the spirit of the 60’s a lot sometimes — you know when you embraced others for their individuality and felt it was unAmerican to judge others by their religion, nationality, etc.

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By: MSLemon on August 31, 2011
at 9:43 AM
Grandma Helen, YOU ROCK! As usual, you are the voice of reason. I’m laughing my ass off as I read your latest post. We all love your Blog. We hope and pray that you’re doing well and adjusting to your new home. Please, please, please keep posting; it gives us something to think about and laugh at the same time. We just made it thru an earthquake and hurricane in the same week, so we need a good laugh. Luv Ya!

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By: Jazzydee on August 31, 2011
at 9:33 AM
Margaret, it is so wonderful to have you back! 🙂

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By: Anna on August 31, 2011
at 9:16 AM
Thank you, thank you Margaret. I so look forward to your posts. Please keep them coming – you are a lone voice of sanity crying in the wilderness these days. We need you – really. I mean it.

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By: twocrows1023 on August 31, 2011
at 9:15 AM
Did you hear about Perry autographing BIBLES! We don’t need another politicians with a God complex.

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By: Marie on August 31, 2011
at 8:48 AM
Helen, you are the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow; I hope you post more often as this political campaign struggles forward. This country needs more laughter. Really!.

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By: No One's Puppet on August 31, 2011
at 8:45 AM
Hello Margaret!

It absolutely TERRIFIES me to think that such brainless and non-thinking humans can even run for presidency. The only thing that scares me more is that people actually listen to them.

I really never cease to be surprised at the stupidity of some humans…and supposedly we are the superior species???? My little goats are smarter than those two!

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By: Phyllis on August 31, 2011
at 8:24 AM
Thank heavens there is someone still sane in the states. You and the folks in Alaska @ The Mudflats. I find it hard to believe that people are still buying their snake-oil.

I had two nieces and a cousin who were mixed up with the crazy fundies, but they got out and started thinking for themselves. My kids have never gotten tangled up with them, and they went to public schools, so I can’t say that the American education system is to blame for the right-wing nuts. I AM concerned about the kids who get home-schooled in those cults.

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By: ~ Sil in Corea on August 31, 2011
at 8:18 AM
What a wonderful post. Thank you!

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By: Amy1 on August 31, 2011
at 8:14 AM
Thank you yet again for your insightful, witty observations. I wish you would write daily so your profile becomes higher with voters, especially those who voted in TP candidates and who should have buyers’ remorse by now.

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By: B. W. on August 31, 2011
at 8:06 AM
“And then there’s Michele, who doesn’t have the common sense God gave a goose.” You’re killing me with laughter. Your posts are still the very best on the www.

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By: Debra Lazar Schubert on August 31, 2011
at 7:59 AM
This pack of candidates needs a clown car.

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By: Tine on August 31, 2011
at 7:57 AM
Perry also decries the federal funding that paid for the job boom in his state, bellowing ‘no more!’ Crooked hypocrite. Maybe he can manage another hurricane and massive oil pipeline break to eliminate the rest of the unemployment there! Dirty federal money can pay for that, too!

Saw on GMA this morning that Michele B is the ‘hair apparent’ – apparently her hair style is all the rage. I look at her and only see her black soul and crazy eyes, so I’m not sure what her hair actually looks like. I had to go look it up:

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By: delurkergurl on August 31, 2011
at 7:38 AM
Great post. It wonders me that so many people take these politicians seriously. Our education system is truly in crisis.

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By: MerCyn on August 31, 2011
at 7:37 AM
Here you go – it’s their Website. The premise is that women are to stay at home, mind their husbands, and have as many babies as they can “for the Lord.”

http://www.quiverfull.com/

Leah Burton has extensive experience with women who have escaped from this group of loonies. Reading some of their experiences will set your hair on end.

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By: PFesser on August 31, 2011
at 7:20 AM
A apologise for the link; God I’ve seen enough links, but here is a description of the “seven mountains” plan the Dominionists have for us all:

http://www.reclaim7mountains.com/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=41538&columnid=4347

And the ReBiblicans want to give these people the nuclear codes that could be used to sterilize the surface of the planet?

Let me find a link for the Quiverfull stuff. You want to talk crazy? These people are crazy with a capital K. (that’s a joke)

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By: PFesser on August 31, 2011
at 7:17 AM
If you think Perry, Bachmann and the other Dominionists et al are crazy, you ought to get a load of the Quiverfull movement, all a part of the Dominionist “seven mountains” movement to take over and “return” America to God.

You couldn’t make this stuff up. These people are as crazy as a big-assed bird.

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By: PFesser on August 31, 2011
at 7:12 AM
I hope this truthful and humorous entry means the start of frequent posts again. I also hope that someone is collecting all of your writings for posterity. Our great-great grandchildren need to know that many of us were smarter than what the presidential bunch seemed to imply! Stay with us thorough your writings and we’ll stay laughingly sane.

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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
at 7:10 AM
It takes a lot of air to keep those bouffant hairdos up.

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By: Alan on August 31, 2011
at 7:04 AM
This is not a comment but rather a declaration of my love and respect for you. Right on! I stopped watching TV and read online news altogether because I couldn’t stand to hear the stupid things coming out of their mouths any more. The saddest thing is tho I know many people actually believed and agreed with what they said. Really, how important is Texas to the economy of the US? Couldn’t we just let him have it if he promises to house all the GOP dbags AND the entire Faux News network?

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By: subWOW on August 31, 2011
at 6:55 AM
I think we are in for a long haul Helen. Glad you are here.

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at 6:54 AM

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