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Posted by: Helen Philpot | January 4, 2012

Three Wise Men With Extra Cheese Please

Margaret, isn’t this an amazing country we live in?  Anyone can grow up and run for President no matter how many animals they slept with. Who saw Rick Santorum making that big of a comeback?   I guess the same people who championed Michele Bachman, then Rick Perry, then Herman Cain, then Newton Leroy Gingrich…  Gosh it’s hard to swallow that Romney pill.  Taking Santorum to avoid Romney.   Iowa, are you crazy?

I guess you can’t be all that crazy  because you saw through Rick Perry.   I can only hope that Texans will finally realize what Iowans figured out in a few short months – Rick Perry is all hat and no cattle.  I only wish Rick would stay in Iowa rather than come back to Texas and “assess” the ass-whipping he just took.  The big man from Texas edged out Michele “Jesus Said I Could” Bachmann and Jon “The Other Mormon” Huntsman.  How do Republicans in Texas face themselves in the morning?

But really you do have to like that Michele Bachmann.  What a loveable little loon she is.   Totally clueless and still heading on to New Hampshire.  I like her spunk, but she’s no Sarah Palin. ( I miss putting lipstick on that pig. ) At least you could laugh at Sarah’s stupidity.  With Michele, I just feel sorry for her.  She takes those voices in her head seriously.  And those voices are telling her that people in New Hampshire are stupid enough to vote for her.  She really should give it up and join Cain on the sidelines for some pizza.  I’m pretty sure Perry already placed his order for a large, thin curst with extra crow – oops I meant sausage.

And Newt, honey, politics is a messy business.  It doesn’t matter how many negative ads were run about you.  They didn’t change a thing.   People have thought you were an ass for a long time now.  Go home, honey.  You’ve sold a ton of books.   Go home and give that current wife some new jewelry from Tiffany’s and order yourself a meat lovers to go.

Huntsman who?

So that leaves us with Romney, Paul and Santorum.  Three wise men who couldn’t find a star on a moonless night much less a family of three in a manger.  And even if they could, Romney wouldn’t be able to decide on which star to follow;  Paul would want to argue about the price of  gold, frankincense and myrrh;  and Santorum would be too busy molesting the cattle lowing in the stable.

Folks, let’s get serious.  Since 2008 we’ve reduced our wars by 50%, avoided another Great Depression, advanced women’s rights in the workplace, ended Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and passed a law intended to provide healthcare for the sick and the poor.  Not bad for a Muslim born in Kenya.  Republicans not wanting to re-elect Obama isn’t exactly newsworthy.  They like war and they hate gays, women and those damn government-cheese-sucking poor people.  But wanting to put Rick Santorum in the White House?  He thinks birth control should be outlawed.   Without birth control you’re going to have more government-cheese-sucking poor people.

This is how the Republican Party recovers from nominating Sarah Palin as VP?  Honey, that man-on-dog just don’t hunt.  If this pack is truly the best your party has to offer, maybe you should consider a new party – one where they don’t serve tea.

Forget 2012 and nominate a serious candidate in 2016.  I mean it.  Really.

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    “Eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions god’s infinite love.”
    ― Bill Hicks



    They will also figure a way to go back into Iraq as well SO MAYBE TWO NEW TAX CUTS.

    BUT, he is a Mormon.




    WE NEED ANOTHER TAX CUT, I am thinking.

    Just putting that Republican logic to work for you.



    They are not using their low tax rate to produce jobs, if you follow the numbers.

    So what about carried interest? What’s that all about? Carried interest is a feature of the way partnerships are taxed, and private equity funds are essentially partnerships. In a partnership, it’s frequently the case that one person puts up the money and another person manages the business. Both partners get equity in the enterprise: The former gets ordinary, garden variety equity and the latter gets “sweat equity.” When the enterprise is sold off (hopefully at a profit), both are taxed at capital gains rates.

    Bain Capital acted as a managing partner in most of its transactions, so this was a pretty good deal for them. After all, most of us who work as managers, even if our pay comes in the form of a bonus that’s based on the profitability of the company, have to pay ordinary income tax rates. That’s because this kind of work is known as “labor.” But if you manage a private equity fund, that exact same kind of work is defined as sweat equity and gets taxed at capital gains rates.

    This is pretty hard to defend. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. Except in this one case, where it’s sweat equity. There’s really not much justification for it.

  16. The Wall Street Journal presented these facts:

    Income taxes All Federal Taxes

    Top 1% 18.8% 29.5%

    81 to 99% 11.8% 22.8%

    21% to 80% 4.2% 4.7%

    Bottom 20% -4.7% 4.7%

    Source Congressional Budget Office, 2011

    Moody’s has downgraded the Illinois state debt to the lowest of the 50 states. Illinois has followed some of the policies that the SEIU wish Wisconsin would follow. In contrast, Moody’s has praised Governor Walker’s budget as “credit positive for Wisconsin” saying the money-saving reforms “bring the state’s finances closer to a structural budgetary balance” Chief Executive magazine moved Wisconsin’s business climate ranking from 41 to 17. Illinois dropped to 48 from 45.

    If Wisconsin fires Governor Walker, the voters will get what they deserve, and Iowa may be able to persuade some of its businesses to move here, where our economy is relatively good.

    Robert Samuelson called Obama’s Keystone Pipeline decision “an act of insanity.”
    Actually as we know from posts here, it was cold political calculation which put Obama’s job ahead of the country.The State Department had studied the project for three years and appeared ready to approve it before the environmental issue became public.

    These are more indirect reasons why I support Changeling Romney.

  17. Juneau Joe, Eric Holder is a racist and is either so incompetent or disengaged that he let Fast and Furious happen. Otherwise, he knew, approved it and is lying. I want him fired.

    Mitt Romney is the best of a bad lot, in my opinion. He has more economic knowledge than Obama and more pre-office successes. I support Romney though I might agree when you cricitise him. One thing going for Romney is he is not Obama.

    I would rather see a brokered convention which chooses another candidate.

    Deciding to pay our $7,000.00 property tax installment with a credit card during the farm depression was on a par with voting for Romney, but when your choices are limited, you take the least damaging.

  18. Mageen -

    I agree with you; these guys – at best – are embarrassingly poor comedy. Jesus, how did people like this get into high office?!

    How is everything going?

  19. Sorry. Anon was me. I’ve been installing Google Chrome on all my computers and forgot to fill in the ID blanks on WordPress.

    I was having a helluva time with Firefox being realllllllllllllly slow. Chrome seems to have fixed that; my son-the-computer-expert tells me the new Firefox “sucks.” Sure seems to.

  20. Oh, good Lord! Caught a bit of the SC primary debate. Look at what’s left! In a way I am very thankful that I both live and work in proximity to Congress Critters. Newtie is a past master of High Dudgeon, even if you ask him the time of day. Do not know how the evangelicals in SC could vote for anyone on stage last night, especially if they do not think that Mormons are Christians (even technically) and have a hard time with any kind of high regard for Catholics. And the fourth guy has come across sounding like he does not have an ounce of belief in the Good Samaritan.

    And just think! Florida’s primary is coming up!

    Oxygen, quick!

  21. Anon opined:

    “Funny how they condemn someone else for things they do themselves on a daily basis.”

    As I like to say, if you are allergic to irony, you are a dead man.

    Firstly, the “liberals” are not running for president; Newton is, so “their” morals are not the question – although I would like to know how someone knows the morals of each and every one of millions of people he’s never met. Newt’s, OTOH, are pretty much on display for the world to see, so judgement there is pretty easy.

    Secondly, as for “doing … on a daily basis” – it his Newt himself who was eviscerating a sitting president for doing precisely what HE was “doing on a daily basis,” so that dog don’t hunt, as they say. (Don’t start with the, “they impeached him because he lied” stuff, either. We both know they were looking for any way to destroy Clinton and the Democrats, fair or unfair.)

    That kind of behavior tells me all I need to know about Newt’s intemperate character. Actually, his being a horn-dog doesn’t bother me that much -some men just have voracious sexual appetites – nor did Clinton’s. My beef is how they treated those women. I am f’in furious with Obama, but by all reports he is a straight arrow vis a vis his wife and family and that goes a long way.

  22. FROTHY; YOU ARE SO………… insert appropriate word here

    You are too embarrassed to say you are for NEWT!!! Sorry about that
    (I would be embarrassed as well if NEWT were my choice)

    FROTH; I hope you have new material tomorrow, you seemed kind of lost actually.


  23. Bottom line is Gi-Jo-Gina, you punked out, in front of everyone. Nuff said. Hopefully know one who knows you reads this so you can hide your shame. Night Night kiddo.

  24. FROTHY; Swear words now. You must be frustrated.

    FROTH; You being all macho and kick ass, I see you as being for MR. FAMILY VALUES his own self – NEWT – THE FAMILY MAN!!!


    Interesting about Mitt and his 401K. Mitt has some explaining to do on this one.

    FROTH; Wouldn;t it be great to have 20 to 100 Million in a 401K when you can only put in $2000 per year. Mitt must be pretty old.


  25. Blaming Bush for Debt
    Reid, Aug. 1: We had a surplus when he took office of $7 trillion over 10 years. We’re now — because of the unpaid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the unpaid taxes and drug programs — we’re now [at] $1.4 trillion.

    That’s wrong on two counts. The projected surplus wasn’t $7.19 trillion when Bush took office, and $3.7 trillion of the $14 trillion in total debt has been added since he left.

    On the projected surplus, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office issued a report in January 2001 — the month Bush took office — that estimated budget surpluses of “$5.6 trillion over the 2002-2011 period,” not $7 trillion as Reid claimed. That CBO report said that “much of the current debt will be paid down over the next several years” if the surpluses materialize. Of course, the projected surpluses did not materialize — in part because of the recession that began shortly after Bush took office — something CBO did not anticipate in its projections.

    Also, the total public debt stood at $75.7 trillion on Jan. 20, 2001, the date of Bush’s inauguration. And when he left, the total debt was $100.6 trillion. That’s a huge increase, to be sure. But to suggest Bush’s policies were to blame for the entire $14.3 trillion debt ignores what happened before and after Bush’s presidency.

  26. Gi-Jo-Gina, when you answer my question about taxation and debt that I posed to you twice, and like the bitch coward you are refused to answer twice, I will answer any question you ask me.

  27. FROTHY;

    Who is your Republican Candidate?

    FROTHY; Mr. Brilliant, please tell!


  28. Just in Obama’s first two years, we can thank him for…

    The price of regular gasoline up 69.26%.
    Crude Oil up 129.6%
    The price of gold up 57.7%.
    Sugar cane up 175.25%
    Real median household income fell 1.05%.
    Number of Food Stamp recipients up 36.31%
    The unemployment rate up 15.38%
    Unemployment rate for blacks, up 23.62%
    The number of unemployed persons up 15.7%
    Poverty Rate up 8.3%
    The number of long-term unemployed (those out of work 27 weeks or longer) up 131%
    The price of corn up 72.52%
    The price of soybeans up 41.99%.
    U.S. Dollar vs. Japanese Yen Down 7.53%

    Yes folks, change you can believe in!!! Oh My!!!



    Please tell me your chosen candidate for the Republican Nominee.


    FROTH; YOU really are brilliant – in a limited way.

  30. Here is another Obama moment. In 2006, Rep John Murtha and the New York Tiems defamed the Marines accused of committing a murdering civilians near Haditha, Iraq. They started their attacks before charges were filed.

    Murtha and others used the Marines to attack the Bush war policy. One by one, charges against the Marines were aquitted. The last one is virtually in the same aquittal stage.

    The Democratic attacks for political gain were one if their lowest hours. Ilinois State Senator Obama said. “I would never second guess John Murtha” as he agreed with Murtha’s “cold blooded murder” attacks. Obama as a lawyer and college lecturer made the same mistake as Nixon, also a lawyer, made years before. Its not nice to make pubic statements of guilt or innocence about people who have or soon will be charged.

  31. Obama, Feb. 15: [B]y the middle of this decade our annual spending will match our annual revenues. We will not be adding more to the national debt. So, to use a — sort of an analogy that families are familiar with, we’re not going to be running up the credit card any more.

    That’s not close to being true, even assuming that the president’s budget is enacted exactly as proposed and all economic assumptions turn out to be accurate. The budget summary (table S-1, page 171) clearly projects annual deficits declining to a low of $607 billion in 2015, and then rising and remaining above that level for the remainder of the decade.

    The president also claims that the “discretionary” budget is only 12 percent of the total. It’s actually 36 percent.

    Obama claimed that his budget proposal fulfills his campaign promise “to cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term. The debt held by the public, the president’s budget projects that it will reach $12.8 trillion in FY 2013. That’s a nearly 71 percent increase from the $7.5 trillion public debt for fiscal year 2009. If you look at the total federal debt, which includes money the government owes itself, $11.9 trillion in FY 2009 and $17.8 trillion in FY 2013.


    Ronald Reagan
    • Stared the Soviets in the face and did not blink.
    • Increased wealth of the country 500%
    • Reduced Government size
    • Decreased spending
    William J. Clinton
    • Brought incredible prosperity to the country
    • Created a budget surplus
    • Reduced government size
    • Reduced taxes and put the country back to work
    Barack H. Obama
    • Reduced government size
    • Largest tax cut ever
    • Provided health care for everyone
    • Protected medicare
    • Saved country from the worst recession ever
    • Saved the US auto industry
    • Took out bin Laden

    Tea Party for Obama is growing by the day


  33. Here is another back track. A Sioux City station reported on another Trans Canada pipe line constructed under northeast Nebraska in 2010. The farmer interviewed said they paid him $56,000.00 for the right to put the pipe six feet underground. The owner of a restaurant said most of the workers were not locals, but they spent a lot of money in town and in her restaurant. The workers remained for about four months. She was disappointed they didn’t stay longer.

    She and someone else interviewed said the main effect was the over $300,000. in additional property taxes.

    We are not far from our baser instincts. Maybe it is a need to spread one’s genes around. Otherwise, some people do immoral things because they can.

  34. Some of my favorite Obama moments:

    President Obama burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel To go Plant a single tree on Earth Day.

    Presidents Obama stated that there were 57 states in the United States.

    Obama bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia.

    Obama gave the Queen of England an IPod Containing videos of his speeches.

    Obama gave Gordon Brown a set of Inexpensive And incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given Him a thoughtful And historically significant gift.

    Obama’s administration had okayed Air Force One Flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in Downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic.

  35. Yes, it’s a human problem UAW- not an R or D one. I sometimes wonder if it’s a problem humans with inflated notions of self-importance have more often or whether it’s because the ones we hear about in public tend to be that type.
    Who knows?
    Trying to keep promises to those closest to you is something of value. It always bums me out when powerful person, a Clinton or a Gingrich , whizzes right on by that basic notion of fidelity.

  36. sb2036 and sb2038…..

    maybe they should vote on it before they read it!!!!!

  37. to be fair….


  38. FROTHY;

    REPUBLICAN ETHICS! What is with this story?

    Florida Republicans want to pass a bill which allows for Government Functions to be sold without Public Input!!! WTF??? This is crazy.
    Florida wants to sell the Prisons but they have found out that the Private Prisons actually cost more and there are more problems. So, The Republicans want to make it so they can sell the prisons, and other stuff, and not tell people.


    Florida Republicans are desperate to privatize the prison system in the state, which had been stalled by a judge in Tallahassee. So, they have introduced SB 2036 and SB 2038 to do just that. The measures would allow the state government to privatize prisons in secret and would also allow the government to secretly outsource the work of other state agencies. In other words, citizens could literally wake up one morning and find that their government by the people, for the people, and of the people has been given to corporations that don’t give a damn about what the people have to say. But that’s not all. The measures also give agencies the option of not reporting the privatization of a program until after it has already been done. So citizens won’t even have a chance to object. The bills also give the state legislature the power to privatize any government function it wants.

    Imagine this on a federal level. Let’s say Wall Street secretly negotiates with the Social Security Administration or Congress to privatize the Social Security trust fund. Basically, the deal can happen without anybody saying a word to the American people. We could all wake up one morning and discover that our retirement money is no longer guaranteed by the government, but being gambled away on Wall Street by greedy fat cats.

    FROTHY; WTF is this bill about? Do you agree with it?


  39. The grouchy old duffers here seem to love to take issue with every little thing, especially indulging in idle gossip. None of us is an expert or knows everything there is to know about everything. It is only opinion. It might be wise to save your time and energies for the important things in life.

  40. I know this might be hard to believe…but Obama lied again.

    Teachers Pay Higher Tax Rates Than Obama

    President Obama went overboard arguing for higher tax rates on high earnings, claiming that he pays a lower tax rate than a teacher making $50,000 a year. That’s not true.

    A single taxpayer with $50,000 of income would have paid less than half the effective rate paid by the Obamas in 2008, 2009 or 2010. And if the $50,000-a-year teacher was supporting a spouse and two children — like Obama — he or she would have paid no federal income taxes at all.

  41. “Tell me about the ethics of NEWT AGAIN please”

    same ethics as Bill Clinton and John
    Edwards…… Did Newt drown anybody?????


  42. Amen UAW Amen
    Watch Gi-Jo-Gina ignore this. So what do you think about your Messiah now?

    Obama’s Dying Mother
    he president told the story often during the 2008 presidential campaign and the many months before he signed the health care law. He said his mother, as she was dying, nearly was denied health insurance coverage due to the fact that her ovarian cancer was considered a preexisting condition. But in 2011, author Janny Scott published a biography, “A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother.” And in it she wrote that Stanley Ann Dunham’s health insurance provider did, in fact, cover most of the medical expenses.

    The author had access to Dunham’s letters to her insurance company and reported that her fight was over disability coverage (which is not affected by the new health care law) and not over medical insurance. The White House did not dispute the account.

    This is not the first time Obama has been caught using an embellished anecdote to sell the massive new health care law. In 2009 — in a televised health care address to Congress and the nation, no less — he claimed an insurance company delayed covering an Illinois man’s chemotherapy and “he died because of it.” But as reporters later pointed out, the man’s coverage was reinstated. His treatment resumed, and however badly he was treated, he nevertheless survived another four years. In that case,

  43. Interesting twist on the Keystone dealie-
    Hadn’t thought about the loss of refinery jobs these folks are thinking about:

    “The union, which represents oil refinery workers in Canada, has been vocal about its opposition to the pipeline since the construction permit was first issued.

    It wants raw bitumen refined in Canada, and has drawn comparisons between the Keystone XL pipeline to the export of raw logs to China at the expense of Canadian millworkers’ jobs.

    Coles said he wants Ottawa to open up a national dialogue on the issue, to see if transporting crude oil to U.S. refineries is in the best interest of Canadians.”

    Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/technology/Pipeline+permit+expired+union+says/5474382/story.html#ixzz1jy3YxqRL
    Get over it UAW. Buckley was a smart man and a wordsmith – that quote however is an aphorism and i’m pretty sure Mr Buckley knew it :-)

  44. “Though liberals do a great deal of talking about hearing other points of view, it sometimes shocks them to learn that there are other points of view.”
    William F. Buckley, Jr.

  45. FROTHY; President Obama – 1 wife and two kids – solid family. Did I miss something.

    NEWT, FAMILY MAN – 3 wives, wanted to sleep with multiple women while married, did not pay his child support. OH, That kind of REPUBLICAN ETHICAL?? Rush is for him.

    According to recently released divorce documents from Gingrich’s split with first wife Jackie Battley, the Republican was more than just a crappy husband. He was also allegedly a deadbeat dad!

    The papers filed by Gingrich’s then-wife state:

    Despite repeated notice to plaintiff and requests by defendant, plaintiff has failed and refused to voluntarily provide reasonable support sufficient to include payment of usual and normal living expenses, including drugs, water, sewage, garbage, gas, electric and telephone service for defendant and the minor children … As a result, many of such accounts are two or three months past due with notices of intent to cut off service and gas and electricity.

    Nice, really nice. He was so caught up in his political career — or pursuit of second wife Callista, perhaps — that he couldn’t be bothered to make sure his kids had electricity? Apparently things got so desperate for the family that the church collected donations to help pay the bills until a judge finally ordered Gingrich to make monthly payments.

    Financially neglecting to support his own flesh and blood is, to me, a “personal” issue that is extremely relevant to Gingrich’s presidential potential.

    FROTH; Tell me about the ethics of NEWT AGAIN please.


  46. Gi-Jo-Gina, you seem to be the only one surprised by News baggage. Those of us who don’t need things read to us knew all this a long time ago. Way to catch up on years old news.

    Bottom line kiddo is no ethical person will vote for Obama. Our kids do not deserve to pay your way in life.

  47. FROTHY; You certainly are classy

    Here is more on Newt, THE FAMILY MAN

    NEWT, The Family Man, abandoned his wives, like the captain of the Italian Cruise Ship abandoned his ship and the passengers on board! NEWT is such a great FAMILY MAN according to Tony Perkins, Evangelical Leader.


    One evangelical leader says that Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich is like the Italian captain whose cruise ship sank — because the former House Speaker was sailing on his own personal love boat when he cheated on his first and second wives.

    Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council — a hate group, according the the Southern Poverty Law Center — reacted to the news on Thursday that Gingrich’s second wife, Marianne, would be spilling secrets about her former marriage to ABC News.

    “I think, especially in the evangelical community, they understand the issue of forgiveness,” Perkins told CNN’s Soledad O’Brien. “But that does not necessarily translate into endorsing for leadership.”

    “When you look at the captain of the Costa Concordia, the guy who abandoned his responsibility — I mean, who’s going to put him in charge of a cruise ship again? I’m not getting on that cruise ship.”

    FROTH; Tony Perkins is saying this about NEWT, THE FAMILY MAN. What should I think?


  48. What a delusional Messiah. Thinks he is the 4th greatest President in history. With 52% of Americans thinking he has accomplished little or nothing.


  49. This is how you hand a Liberal his ass on national television.


    Alaskapie, care to keep saying Liberals are not the party of hate and personal attacks? So much proof, I cannot wait to see you defend this. Make me laugh please.

  50. FROTHY;
    More about Newt
    According to recently released divorce documents from Gingrich’s split with first wife Jackie Battley, the Republican was more than just a crappy husband. He was also allegedly a deadbeat dad!

    The papers filed by Gingrich’s then-wife state:

    Despite repeated notice to plaintiff and requests by defendant, plaintiff has failed and refused to voluntarily provide reasonable support sufficient to include payment of usual and normal living expenses, including drugs, water, sewage, garbage, gas, electric and telephone service for defendant and the minor children … As a result, many of such accounts are two or three months past due with notices of intent to cut off service and gas and electricity.

    Nice, really nice. He was so caught up in his political career — or pursuit of second wife Callista, perhaps — that he couldn’t be bothered to make sure his kids had electricity? Apparently things got so desperate for the family that the church collected donations to help pay the bills until a judge finally ordered Gingrich to make monthly payments.

    Financially neglecting to support his own flesh and blood is, to me, a “personal” issue that is extremely relevant to Gingrich’s presidential potential.
    HI, FROTHY!!!! You certainly are smart!


  51. UAW, apparently ejaculating all over your underlings dress, and shoving cigars up the crotch of your interns, does not violate the terms of your vows to wife or their pagan gods. Often makes me wonder how these ladies on here get treated since they find this acceptable behavior. Imagine their outcry if some big oil CEO shoved foliage up a sweet interns private parts. They would be losing their minds. But old Bill is a such a charmer, a real ladies man. I wonder if these ladies would allow their daughters to work for ol Bill?

  52. shame shame shame…..acting like Clinton…..If only Newt was a Dem…..Obama’d probably be vice….

  53. By friend, I am sure you mean Rosey Palm…aka your right hand?

    Gi-Jo-Gina. We both know your Messiah is done. He said so himself that if he couldn’t fix the economy in 3 years he was a 1 term President. Face fact, you have lost. 33 broken campaign promises. One of the longest down economies of any President. One of the longest/highest unemployment rates of any President. Like you he is a dismal failure with no idea how to get out of this mess. Like you he blames everyone but himself. Like you he takes no personal responsibility for anything he does. Remember, like you, this is a man that told 7 lies in under two minutes.

  54. FROTHY; Newt, FAMILY MAN, the open marriage love machine is all over the blogs: FROTH: I came across this comment on a blog; Please tell me they are incorrrect!! I need some Input from a true, smart Conservative!

    These people are sociopaths – I mean how do you go around and preach to people how to live their lives and then go home and do whatever you damn well please? Where is his moral compass, his compassion, his ethics, his pride? And he goes to church with that soul – or is that just another lie also?

    Have the GOP completely lost touch with reality and truly, they are delusional to believe that they can say and do anything and no one will remember their past deeds. That might have worked for a bit, but it ain’t gonna float now.

    People like this just make me puke.

    JuanitaJean had another thought on Newt
    So, Newt …
    January 19, 2012 By: Juanita Jean Category: Uncategorized

    So, Newt, thank you for all the hollering you did when the media obsessed about Bill Clinton’s sex life. We appreciate your tough stand.

    Honey, you invented the politics of personal destruction and now you’re upset that then tables are turned?


    FROTHY; Now that I think of it, Newt DID invent the politics of personal destruction!! WHAT DO YOU THINK FROTHY??? Tell me about New and Christian Values again please.


  55. FROTH: Interesting
    Two days ago, Sarah Palin was saying that Republicans needed to Vett the candidates and she would vote for Newt so all the dirt could be put on the table and there would be no surprises. TODAY: Sarah is pissed because Newt is going through the vetting process

    FROTHY; I am confused, Should Republican Presidential Candidates be vetted or not? WHAT SAY YOU???



    FROTHY: I have a conservative buddy. He has had affairs. He has been married 5 times. He prays a lot that #5 does not dump him at the current time. I, the liberal, have been married once, currently divorced.
    My ex wife and I raised 3 of our own plus had a hand in 5 other kids.
    My ex and I are good friends. If I have an affair, which has happened – I am single. (I did have an affair when married but we were separated at the time and the divorce papers had been filed, by her, a month before.)

    REPUBLICANS RUN ON THE FAMILY VALUES PLATFORM which makes it very awkward to say OPEN MARRIAGE and affair with a straight face.


    Thank You


  57. Yes family values, like everything else Liberals are at war with. Values, religion, ethics, freedom, morality, babies, to name a few. Funny how they condemn someone else for things they do themselves on a daily basis.

  58. JuanitaJean on NEWT and his Open Marriage idea:

    Oh No He Di’int
    January 19, 2012

    Rush Limbaugh. Says Newt’s the victim. Really. Said it out loud. Today.

    LIMBAUGH: I got a great note from a friend of mine. “So Newt wanted an open marriage. BFD. At least he asked his wife for permission instead of cheating on her. That’s a mark of character, in my book. Newt’s a victim. We all are. Ours is the horniest generation.” [...] That’s from a good friend of mine, “Newt’s slogan ought to, ‘Hell, yes, I wanted it.’” (laughing) I’m sharing with you how some people are reacting to this.

    Oh yes, when family values are on the table, let’s go straight to Rush for leadership.

    I think it should be noted that Newt was screwing around on his wife a couple of years before he asked permission.

    I’m getting dizzy from the spin, and I might upchuck so y’all stand back. Or put Rush in front of me. I couldn’t miss that target.

    And let’s not forget that Newt wasn’t paying his child support. Does that make him a victim of hungry children?


    Bonus: Newt did not pay his child support!! Swell Family Man, that Newt!


  59. Interesting, uawtradesman. Counter intuitive things have happened with some regularity haven’t they? Herman Cain, for example stayed high in the polls for a while even after the “bimbo attacks.”

    Sami singer Marie Boine said “… and that made me think and gave me information…And then there was a volcano inside me of anger and rage that had to get out, because then I realized what had been done to my people.”

    If something like that is happening in the United States, this will be an unusual campaign.

  60. Poolman: That is a great video! Thank You, learned a lot.

    FAMILY VALUES NEWT UPDATE: Newt wanted an Open Marriage. MR FAMILY VALUES wanted that willy to go slipping into a few women instead of just the one he was married to. Such a lovely FAMILY VALUES kind of guy. He had a patriotic penis and it needed to raise the flag often or something.


    The former wife, Marianne Gingrich, was married to Mr. Gingrich for 18 years, his second marriage. During the last years of the marriage Mr. Gingrich had an affair with a Congressional aide, Callista Bisek, who is now his third wife.

    Paraphrasing Marianne Gingrich’s account, Mr. Ross said, “He came to her and said I want to stay married to you and still have an affair with Callista.” Marianne said Mr. Gingrich asked her “share” him, Mr. Ross said. That was unacceptable to her and the marriage ended.

  61. Newt bitch slaps John King(and CNN)…….and gets a standing ovation…..

  62. Warren Buffet and Tim Geithner should take lessons from Mitt……PAY YOUR TAXES….and others


  63. Thank you, dlurkergurl, for showing a classic example of how ‘anonymous’ Noah isn’t here for debate. He makes things up to draw attention to himself and to create conflict. The scarriest part is that he seems to believce his own projection. Odd little man, that one.

    Time might be better served participating in the infomed Alaskapi’s oil discussion then in reading anything Noah has to say. Trolls are a pathetic waste of oxygen.

  64. You called it, Pfessor. Obama wanted to leave the decision until after the election because unions favored the pipeline and environmentalists opposed it. Republicans called his bluff, and now it will be a campaign issue.

  65. The Washington Post wrote that “clearly constructing the pipe line would still result in job gains during a sluggish recovery…”

    “Stopping the pipeline then wouldn’t do anything to reduce global warming but it would almost certainly require more oil to be transported across oceans in tankers.”

    “We almost hope this was a political call, because on the substance, there should be no question. Without the pipeline, Canada would still export its bitumen–with long-term trends in the global market, its far too valuable to keep in the ground-but it would go to China.”

  66. Sorry for the dup. I’m trying out a new browser and it didn’t autofill the blanks.

  67. Any of which happened? What are you talking about?

  68. Any of which happened? What are you talking about?

  69. You had already made up your mind before any of this happened PFesser. Which is fine, you don’t own us an explanation.

  70. And I forgot to mention those twin abortions, SOPA and PIPA that the entertainment industry is trying to get them to pass – and which they would if not for the vigilance of organizations like Wikipedia, Firefox, Wired Magazine, Reddit, et al.

    Congress. The President. All of them. Feh. A pox on their houses.

  71. NOP -

    “haven’t the Republicans learned by now not to blackmail President Obama?”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding was that President Obama intended to postpone any decision until after the election and the Congress called his bluff.

    I’m not taking any sides on the Dem Repub debate, but right is right and wrong is wrong. I voted for Obama but his politicking is getting pretty thin. Hell, they are all getting thin up there. After they voted in that blatantly unconstitutional law allowing the indefinite detention of American citizens and basically flouting the posse comitatus act, it would take a team of wild horses to get me to vote for ANY incumbent, especially in Congress, but including the President, too.

  72. Obama Fundraising Suffers Huge Drop-off


    hey that Borowitz report is pretty good….

    Obama Says US Not Deserting Iraq: ‘We Will Continue to Follow You on Twitter’


  73. Geez, the pipeline will go through the customary environmental study and then it will be approved or not, but haven’t the Republicans learned by now not to blackmail President Obama?

  74. Well said PFesser
    It is Liberal myth that there is only room for so many at the top. We should be asking them to teach us what they did to earn their fortunes rather than trying to legislate ways to take it away from them. If we are going to tax the wealthy at 4 and 5 times what the rest of the world does, what incentive do they have to help create prosperity here at home?

    I have toyed with the idea in my mind, and at some level I think it is necessary. Though, with the corruption in our government, (mostly do to a lack of necessary check and balances), that setting this president would be opening a Pandora’s box. That said: I have often fantasized about the Government taking over the oil industry. It almost hurts to say this out-loud. The problem is that these resources play to significant a role on everything else. Double oil prices and entire economies would fall. I say this even knowing how badly the government would screw it up as the government runs nothing well.

  75. JJoe -

    That is a very unfair little missive and you know it. The tax rate is set by the govt, and capital gains rates are around 15%. Those who have capital gains income and dividend income do not pay at the maximum ordinary income rate, and the purpose is to get them to invest their money; that’s how jobs are created and how industries thrive.

    The fact is that there are people in this country who have done very well, and have done it legally. From all appearances, Mitt Romney is one of them. You should be trying to emulate these people instead of being jealous. Yes you can convince your government to take that money away from them by confiscatory taxes, but all you are doing is killing the goose that laid the golden egg; it’s been done in the socialist countries for a long time and you see how well they’ve done. See “North Korea” and “East Germany.”

    Jealousy and class warfare may satisfy some inner demon, but all you are doing in the long run is hurting your country and yourself, IMHO.

  76. LOL….tried to post before and didn’t show….


  77. yes Alaskapi…..and we are now taxing unemployment to pay unemployment…….I guess we need more unemployed…..

  78. A Letter from Mitt Romney
    About My Finances

    SOUTH CAROLINA (The Borowitz Report) – Republican presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney has released the following letter to the American people:

    Dear American People:

    Over the past several days, my personal finances have been distorted into a grotesque caricature by the mainstream media, pundits, and other people who can count. I am writing to you to set the record straight by explaining my finances in terms the American people can relate to.

    Let’s say you bought a bottle of Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1982 for $5,000. A couple of years later, what do you know, you sell that same bottle for $10,000. So you just made a profit of $5,000 through your own hard work. How much of that should you pay to the government? I’d say fifteen percent.

    Now let’s say you have a fellow mowing the lawn at your 7,000 square foot home in La Jolla, and he turns out to be an illegal. You say, “No way, Jose” (Jose is actually his real name) and send him packing. He doesn’t deserve his full paycheck, since he lied to you in Spanish, but it wouldn’t be fair to give him nothing, either. So you pay him fifteen percent.

    Now let’s pretend the United States of America is like one big restaurant. Not a fancy restaurant, mind you, but one that only gets two Michelin stars. And let’s say that you order a meal of Beluga caviar, white truffles and gold shavings, washing it down with your favorite beverage, Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1982. The bill arrives and it’s quite a hefty one for a working stiff who only made $375,000 last year in speaking fees. (That’s right: minimum wage.) So when it comes to toting up the bill, how much should I tip the waiter, who in case you’re having trouble following this metaphor is the IRS? You got it: fifteen percent.

    I think I’ve now shown, using these real-life examples that everyone can relate to, that no one should ever pay more than fifteen percent on their taxes. If you have been paying more than that, you should get rid of your loser accountant pronto. That’s another thing I have in common with regular Americans: we like firing people.

    So – now that I’ve laid it out in simple terms that even you can understand, do you agree that you and Mitt Romney have a whale of a lot more in common than you thought? I’ll bet you ten grand you do.

    Au revoir,



  79. On the way out the door to work…
    UAW- we should never have started taxing unemployment compensation. Never.
    And rather than add more taxes for wage earners to improve infrastrucure, how about we , local, state, and federal, stop giving so many incentives to business when they want to bring something in the way of industry to our areas. The notion that we are all in competition with each other to provide the cheapest labor market, costs, etc to lure business to our areas is another way we have been played like a fiddle for a long time-to the collective detriment to infrastructure (and fall in income for the middle and lower-middle class) across the country.

  80. I think it would be better to tax wages to improve roads/bridges than to tax unemployment compensation….

    and does it take Obama 60 days to decide where he’s going golfing next…..


    FROTH; Romney is the perfect Republican Candidate actually.


    I can’t undertand all the hubbub about why Mitt Romney cannot find love in the Republican party. Sure he is a “flip-flopper” of the highest order. Sure he says whatever his base wants to hear when it is politically expedient for him. But the one thing Romney has going for him, the thing that should make him golden in Republican circles, is that he is the truest of the true capitalists over any of the other candidates, hands down!
    Mitt Romney is Gordon Gekko and Sir Lawrence Wildman all rolled up into one nice package. Isn’t this also exactly what Republicans claim to stand for? Isn’t the “greed is good” mantra tattooed on the arm of every Republican? Why then all the fuss?

    FROTH; You are not talking to me? Dang. Sorry if I upset you.


  82. Thanks Juneau Joe for confirming what I heard. My wife said one of her teacher friend’s son lives in Texas. He told her the nation doesn’t need Rick Perry. In fact, Texas doesn’t need Rick Perry.

    Environmental studies have continued for three years. The only state which complained that I know of was Nebraska because the pipe line path included the edge of the Sand Hills. Trans Canada offered to move it to a few miles west of our home.

    If the line had been built, Trans- Canada would have had to pay to move and support the environment of a rare species of burying beetle. A scientists said it is nice the beetles won’t have to be moved, but money for the habitat would have helped the beetles.

    I just heard that 22 Democrats wrote Obama a letter supporting the pipe line earlier in the debate, so this was bipartisan.

    Alaskapi, I forgot Alaska’s higher prices. Down here, when gas threatened $5.00 a gallon it became a hardship for many people, including truck drivers. Europeans would probably laugh too.

    As before, I agree about using ingenuity to lesson our dependence on oil. Unfortunately, we need oil now.

    Pfessor, I think Trans- Canada is a private company though the Canadian government may be subsidizing the project. One price thrown about is $7 billion, though some of that would be spent in Canada, of course.

    Here is something none of you knows. It is trivia with nothing to do with the discussion. A man from Buena vista, Iowa inherited an auto parts factory. He made it into the sixth largest in the United States and decided to retire early so he and his wife could enjoy their children while they were still young.

    They drove to Alaska and stopped in Alberta. People told him about the tar sands, and the man decided they would be a good investment. He bought some of the land before anyone was drilling.

    Companies are now drilling, of course, and the lucky investor shared much of his windfall with the Mayo Clinic and Buena Vista University.

  83. PFesser- there really is some promise in the electrical battery world now. Friends in remote area put up a windmill and set up deep cell batteries to “save” the power and are saving $25/day right now in diesel generator costs to light and heat themselves.
    It does matter where the electricity comes from to begin with- still too many coal fired plants across the country and so on.
    At whatever level I agree about not giving one more cent to @$%#$@#@ ing Mideast oilies, which is almost 100%, I think our own oilies have played us like a fiddle on that one and have actually stood in the way of us getting new innovation on board. Would like to push past them and move on…


    FROTH; Is calling you Smart insulting? Sorry about that. Honestly, there was never an intent to insult. Please accept my apology.


  85. Gi-Jo-Gia, not going to mince words with you. You either step up, be brave enough to put an idea that others will pick apart, or be a coward and play it safe. Your call.

  86. “Delurk and Alaskapie. WIll tuck his info away for future reference. It seems by your explanation that in order for you to support job creation, there has to be zero or near zero possibility for environmental impact, and that its primary and any secondary effects must directly benefit us or it will not be supported.”

    Not true, strawman. I said “At this point the pros haven’t been proven to be higher than the stack of cons.” That’s nothing like the crap you just made up and tried to attribute to me.

  87. Anon and JuneauJoe -

    I think we have a great discussion going; I’m learning a potful from Alaskapi – why don’t you guys jump in? Since you actually live in Alaska, JJoe, I’d like to see your take on this thing.

  88. PFesser

    I am a strong proponent of finding “friendlier” sources of energy. Problem is that many/most cost more than what we have now and then there is the problem of implementation. Wind mills, especially those in the water, have recently been shown to have negative benefits, as has solar as the technology stands today. Hydrogen might be viable someday, but that is not today. Also getting stations throughout the US so everyone can refill is not possible with our economy today. Our debt, nationalized health care, failing infrastructure, we are tapped as a nation. As long as Liberals insist that we continue to not only pay for the social programs we already have, but continue to introduce more, and continue to want to grow the size of government, I fear these alternative sources will for a very long time continue to be an impossibility.


    FROTH: What insult? Sorry if you feel anything I posted was an insult I need more information about what you felt was insulting.


  90. Gi-Jo-Gina, way to change the topic. You are a coward. Keep posting and insulting, its all you are good for.

  91. PFesser-
    part of what you said is true but part worries me.
    I used to have the assumption that environmental studies are adequate to the task and that the permitting process was adequate to safeguard public interests but the whole process around the Pebble Prospect here has made me look at it with a different eye, as has the way the law works in federal fisheries waters as per bottom trawlers .
    It’s all well and good to holler at the govt over lack of efficiency (and is often true) but we don’t get to see the inefficiencies or shuffling of costs that private businesses can do to cover their buns with shareholders like we get to with govt projects.
    Also- the permitting process is tilted heavily towards industry, here and nationally, with mitigation language , mixing zone hoopla, etc which the industries have worked to put in place. The crap WR Grace got away with in Libby, Montana was with state and federal “oversight” in place.

  92. Alaskapi -

    I’m with you. I really like the electric option; best of all it’s clean. If a powerline falls down it doesn’t pollute anything. You just put it back up. There is some new technology out that makes fuel cells much cheaper – possibility of 300 miles in your car on one tank of hydrogen, which you can generate onsite in Alaska with electricity and a little water. No pollutants to generate, none to use in your car.

    We can solve this, but first we HAVE to stop sending money to the Gulf, IMHO. What a bloody tar-baby that place is. Let’s do whatever it takes.


    FROTH; DO NOT LOOK AT THIS VIDEO!!! If you did, you would see how President Obama operates and why he is quietly gaining respect and winning a little at a time. Did you know that his Generals insisted that a bomb take out Bin Laden but President Obama said No, we will send in troops and prove to the world we got him. President Obama put his Presidency on the line.


    FROTHY; DO NOT LOOK AT THE ABOVE VIDEO! It will ruin your day!!
    FROTH; YOU ARE VERY SMART!! Just want you to know.



  94. and again the bottom line is..you whine and complain, but, like every other Liberal, when asked, “fine, what is your solution”, have nothing more to say on the subject.

  95. LOL- James- we’ve had almost $5 g gas for quite awhile here.
    Wherever the price comes from , it’s time to get over it and put our so-called American ingenuity and innovation to work on alternatives.
    Not enough resources going to that- too much molly-coddling oil companies and power producers going on, who will sell to whomever pays them the most.
    Court case here over pipeline consortium trying to pressure the state into capitulating on a number of oil tax and lease issues just went againt the oily souls at the same time minerals section of DNR rejected citizens’ suits and requests to deny a permit to a coal company which will completely remove 20 miles of active salmon spawning habitat for mining coal to ship to Asia.

  96. For the record Gi-Jo-Gina..I never expected to give your own opinion. 99% of your posts are your driving web traffic. You have never been known by anyone here to port what you think…Remember,,,you are I Repost.

  97. I guess for me the litmus test would be who is building the pipeline. If it’s govt, then we need to take a close look as to whether it makes economic sense, since they don’t have any incentive whatsoever to do it efficiently. If it is to be financed by industry, then I’d say to do the environmental studies and have at it.


    FROTHY, To answer your question, I have ideas and thoughts but others have spent more time and effort in full study of issues. I can say what I think or use the words of those who have more extensive knowledge to answer the question and/or provide input. I chose the latter. Also, you are a genius and I am a mental midget – you know I am no match for you on a straight one on one. I am humbled by your genius? (Not really the word I want ) actually.

    FROTH: Here is a graph which I find interesting. I find the polling on who is more willing to work with the other party is interesting. President Obama is polling much higher than Republicans in trying to work with the other party.


    FROTH; Got any more questions? I have a few more minutes.


  99. Delurk and Alaskapie. WIll tuck his info away for future reference. It seems by your explanation that in order for you to support job creation, there has to be zero or near zero possibility for environmental impact, and that its primary and any secondary effects must directly benefit us or it will not be supported.

  100. James: JuanitaJean says that it is true, Rick Perry is quitting today.


    It is way too early to consider Keystone: Environmental Impacts need to be considered seriously first.

  101. Gi-Jo-Gina. Per comments at By: Anonymous on January 18, 2012
    at 10:17 AM

    I am wondering why with all your conviction, that you do not feel compelled to offer up your thoughts. As it is clear you have extensive thoughts on everything Liberal, can we take it from your refusing to answer that you are just here to complain and have nothing to offer up other than whining?

  102. Everything carries risks. An oil pipe line has been under our farm since before I was born. Nothing has happened in all of those years. Our flood ruptured an oil pipeline in Montana and a natural gas line near our farm. Both incidents were so minor no one outside of our area heard of them.

  103. I’ve never argued that the short term jobs would have been worth it in themselves alone.
    The argument that a private international company should simply be allowed to get permits, without vetting the the whole project, for the jobs it provides alone ,is the same thing as a series of public infrastructure projects fails on the face of it.
    The boomlet a series of infrastructure repairs/replacements would have provided would have similar downsides but would have left us all something we all could use. The list of moldering bridges, roads, buildings (including schools) and the like across this country is staggering.
    The boomlet a temporary uptick in employment alone would provide if we allow a private company, who controls input and output via contracts with suppliers and refiners, to build a pipeline is a whole different critter.
    In my area we are on the verge of a series of international arguments with Canada over a gold mine on a river which we have an international treaty to protect salmon for both countries. The current Canadian Prime Minister, Harper, is more interested in the booms he’s trying to get going than the outfall of projects over the long term, including whether he trades one resource for another in the rush for money.

  104. delurkergurl, as I wrote some of the oil in the pipe line would be what came from North Dakota and Montana.

    You are right. Our main source of exported oil is Canada, and a lot of the new oil would be exported. However, as I wrote, some imported oil is refined and sold back to the countries who sold us the oil. At least one refinery says some of the Canadian oil will be sold in the United States.

    I also wrote that this pipe line is an insurance policy for our future needs or an emergency.

    The extra property taxes would benefit several states.

  105. Here is an interesting video on Rush Limbaugh.

  106. I agree Pfessor. Stephen Harper, the prime minister of Canada will visit China again next month. He plans to discuss exporting more oil the China. Canadians will offer to let the Chinese do a major part of the extraction labor and also buy the property which holds the oil.

    The alternate pipe line would cross the Canadian Rockies to near Hartley Bay, BC. 200 tankers per year would pass through 300 k of dangerous and stormy water. A good weather and stormy water route are proposed.

    China is one of our major competitors with ambitions to supplant us. Chinese are buying or leasing all of the oil fields they can for their current and projected needs.What could go wrong?

    Another guest on a local talk show said Obama had better hope we don’t have $4.00 gas before the next election.

    I just heard that Rick Perry is quitting.

  107. PFesser, we can get oil from Canada, Mexico or the US without running 1600 miles of risky pipe. The only reason to haul it to Texas rather than to closer refineries or new refineries is so it’s easier to ship it elsewhere.

  108. The difference is

    a) potential for significant environmental risk
    b) the oil is dirty
    c) the oil will be sold to the highest bidder, which may or may not be us and may or may not be less than we pay now, after spending a fortune to subsidize the infrastructure
    d) most of the jobs created will be Canadian jobs, and most of the American jobs will be short term
    e) profits go to big oil – the same people who report record profit quarter after quarter while eliminating jobs AND sucking us dry
    f) the portion of the pipeline that has been open a year are already leaking
    g) the cost of a large scale cleanup would be enormous

    The House demanded an immediate answer so they got one. At this point the pros haven’t been proven to be higher than the stack of cons.

  109. James -

    Every dollar that goes to the Persian Gulf eventually buys bullets to kill us with. IMHO we need to get off Gulf oil as fast as we can, but instead we become more and more entangled there. There is enough oil within reach of the US and in Canada to carry us until we can get transferred over to an all-electric automobile, which I believe will occur within the next thirty years if we get our butts moving. Those autos would be run via electricity or hydrogen generated by nuclear plants.

    In the meantime, my car won’t run on piss. I would like to see us getting as much oil from Canada as we can while doing whatever we need to do in order to reduce that consumption close to zero over the long haul.


    Good Morning FROTHY ANONYMOUS,
    I hope your FROTHY self is doing well today.

    The difference from Keystone and President Obama jobs is significant.

    Keystone will ruin the envirionment.

    President Obama’s jobs would rebuild bridges, school, roads – projects which will move our country forward now and in the future.

    Sounds like the Republicans are beating each other up pretty good.




  111. Alaskapi, yes, what I wrote about the future is educated speculation. Such guess- work is why we kept our farm during the agricultural depression. I think a version of the future I speculated about has a reasonable chance of happening in one form of another. For one thing, my scenario has happened before.

    That pipe line is an insurance policy. Canadian oil is safer and more dependable than other foreign oil in an emergency. 25% of the oil transported would be our own oil from North Dakota and Montana. Belaro (?) refinery says much of the oil from the pipeline would be used in the United States, according to a guest on KFAB, Omaha.

    It is also about jobs, even if they are temporary. It is also about $150 million in extra property tax money for Nebraska and more for other states.

    So, yes, boom and bust is better than long term bust. As farmers, my wife and I lived with booms and busts most of our lives. One saves from the good years to take care of the bad. Our area tends not to experience high or low extremes of economic fluctuation.

    As I wrote before, the pipe line would infuse created wealth into the economy. Unemployment and stimulus money are recirculated money.

    Our poor economy has reduced oil useage. We import most of our oil from Canada, and about 12% from Mexico. Especially during the down turn, we have been refining that oil into diesel, gasoline, and reseling it. Some of it returns to the countries who sold us oil. Thus, we earn profits from some of our imported oil.

    The Keystone decision was political, not economic or environmental. Obama was caught between environmentalists who wanted the project killed and labor unions who supported it.Obama decided to delay a decision off until after the election. Republicans tried to force his hand and make him decide earlier. Nebraska Republicans had asked for a delay until the section passing through the Ogalalla Aquifer, so they shoulder much of the credit or blame for subsequent events. I agreed that the portion of the pipe line which would have passed under the Sand Hills was too risky.

    I feel bad for Alaska. The more I read from you, the more I think rapacious exploiters plundered your state for profit.

    I’m not too upset locally because we expected it . Alaska is another matter. You all were treated horribly and that upsets me..

    Nebraskans, on the other hand, are furious.

  112. “And Keystone is not about jobs- that is what is making everyday people look at it so hungrily- but once that sucker is built, not only do those jobs dry up but so do the short term gains in communities which housed those workers.”

    How is this any different than the Obama bill to create jobs that would have lasted only one year that you and others were so hot about? We had dozens of posts stating that it was better than nothing and that the short term help was enough of a reason to pass it.

  113. correction :
    $125million and $160 million respectively

  114. http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/how-much-state-paying-exxon-advance-gas-pipeline-nobodys-saying?page=full

    And please do read about TC- whom we have apparently already paid $125k to, and the gov is asking for another $160k, for this pipeline of someone ‘s dreams (note their nasty partner EXXON?) or to nowhere.

  115. And Keystone is not about jobs- that is what is making everyday people look at it so hungrily- but once that sucker is built, not only do those jobs dry up but so do the short term gains in communities which housed those workers.
    The Alaska pipeline over the whole project employed around 70k workers, 28 k at the peak of construction. It takes about 800 to operate it now.
    The 7-8 years of building were a boom time for sure but most of those people left after it was done- there was nothing for them to do. And the US wouldn’t even get the actual oilfield jobs on Keystone- those would stay in Canada. Here those oilfield jobs run in the thousands of jobs.
    Why is it better to have a boom and bust thingy going on?

  116. James-
    try not to get too upset about Keystone.


    Multiple sources are saying it is the arbitrary 60 day deadline the Reps in Congress passed. If the route changes it is more than wise for a very real and thorough study to be done.The Reps were being pushy and having another of their hissy fit showdowns. It’s fine if it takes awhile longer.
    I still think it’s a stupid idea myself but if it does fly, it should be on the merits of the proposal, the groundwork to get necessary permits, etc- not some Congressional one-upmanship game.
    Also, much of what you said is speculation as regards possible US use of the oil in that pipeline. Until a full review of the proposal and all is done, who knows?
    Alaska isn’t too wild about TransCanada but that’s another of the Palin issues here- her Alaska Gasline Inducement Act with TC as the Canadian leg and $500 mil promised to them from state coffers to get the project going- which is NOT going to go anytime soon because amount of natural gas available in the lower 48 but they’re sure spending the dough.

  117. Several of thinkprogress’s points are wrong. The pipe line is about jobs. Most would be temporary, but while they lasted, they would help our economy both directly and as a stimulus for more spending and business.The wages would be created wealth as opposed to the redistributed wealth of unemployment checks .At the end of two years, our economy should be making more jobs for at least some of the temps.

    The Canadians probably will sell much of the product overseas. The United States does too. We are becoming an important exporter of petroleum products too. The real benefit of the pipe line is that oil would be coming from a friendly country. In the event of a national emergency, Middle Eastern war or boycott. I believe the main benefit for us is that the pipe line is an insurance policy. Even if the oil transport might not reach its peak for years, those years will pass. Moreover, if other sources of oil are restricted, our neighbor’s oil will compensate for some of the loss. I remember the 1970′s oil boycot.

  118. Keystone XL is not about jobs or getting oil into the US – it’s about getting it out


  119. I called my Senators and Congressmen too, though I already have their phone numbers.

    You may not be paying attention, but here, near the pipe line, it is a big deal.

    Obama lied about the Keystone Pipeline when he said the Republicans forced him to cancel it. Its impact on the environment etc has been studied for three years.

    One writer said Obama may have picked now to make his announcement until later to blunt public anger as gas prices continue to rise. The Conrell study estimated the pipeline would create 3-5 thousand jobs. construcion of the Trans-Alaska pipe line employed 28,000 workers and contractors and it is about 800 miles long, according to a poster on the Washington Examiner blog. Somebody is lying.

    My wife just returned from buying groceries. Obama’s decision prompted harsh comments in the grocery store. It was THE topic of conversation. Nebraska Congressman, Lee Terry said they will have hearings and ask Hillary why the State Department as much as approved the project and then back tracked when the question became political.

    The Canadians said if Americans want to turn their country into a national park, Canadians can sell their oil elsewhere.

    Just a little drama in the Heartland.

  120. Dup post at Fat Grannies:

    re: SOPA/PIPA

    Go to any Wikipedia page and input your zip code. You will see phone numbers to your Senators and Congressmen. I have called mine and there ARE people manning the phones; I got in instantly. They are very interested to hear your opinion on these bills.

  121. re: SOPA/PIPA

    Go to any Wikipedia page and input your zip code. You will see phone numbers to your Senators and Congressmen. I have called mine and there ARE people manning the phones; I got in instantly. They are very interested to hear your opinion on these bills.

  122. like James said….
    “New Obama OMB director a Bain alum”
    if it’s good enough for Obama then it should be good enough for us…..NO???????


  123. JuneauJoe -

    Did I mention one of my liberal friends owns “magic-undies.com?” He’s getting together a Website if Romney is the nominee. LOL

  124. And there you have it folks. Gi-Jo-Gina, the best Liberals have to offer. You give them the floor, give them a chance to offer up a solution, and the above is what you get. It is a shame.


    HI FROTHY ANONYMOUS. Dang, I missed you and your FROTHY COMMENTS – later FROTH.


  126. “The Gap between Rich and Poor has never been wider. We need to make those who are pulling in crap loads of dough pay their fair share. ”

    What is that number? It is not enough we complain and whine about it. What is that number that will make it fair?

    If you are able to come up with a number,(we know you wont) what do you hope to accomplish. Since we could take everything from everyone over 100k and it wouldn’t pay for 1 year of the Obama budget, what is it you hope to accomplish? It seems to we have a hole in the USS United States. 100 gallons per minute is poring in. You have a 15 gallon bucket. We raise taxes as you suggest, now we have a 25? 30? 50? gallon bucket. What have we accomplished? The ship is still sinking. So you get your wish, what then?

  127. I don’t have time to read much here, but in general, I agree with Pfessor. Omaha, the Post Office, and twinkies have a similar problem–unaffordable health and retirement benefits.

    President Obama conveined a bipartisan panel to decide policies to reduce our deficit. Obama ignored them.

    His latest Council on Jobs and Competitiveness recomends “We should allow more access to oil, natural gas, and coal opportunities on Federal lands” The report doesn’t specifically mention the Keystone Pipeline but it says we must move quickly to build energy transport systems like pipe lines.

    The man Obama just appointed to lead the OMB once worked for Bain. If he wants to use Bain as a campaign tool against Romney he should have appointed someone else.

  128. I am with your wife. You should.

    No King or President for me, I like being an average schmuck.

    The GW Bush years have created a BIG HOLE and it will take a while of steady movement to get us out of it. Stopping the Bush Tax Cuts is a start and get out of his stupid wars helps too. (Why do we have the biggest Embassy in the world in Iraq?)

    Making the 1% pay the tax rate that I do is not the total answer but it is part of the answer.

  129. JuneauJoe -

    Make me the king for one day. ONE. I don’t want to be president; I want to be king so what I say goes. And I don’t want two days; I might start liking it.

    When the sun went down I think you would be a lot happier with the direction your country is headed. LOL.

    My wife has been after me to put up a Website with my ideas for my single day as king; by god I might just do it. We are surely in a world of poo.

  130. PFessor:

    The Gap between Rich and Poor has never been wider. We need to make those who are pulling in crap loads of dough pay their fair share. Historically: When the gap is as wide as it is, there are consequences with the poor rising up.

    Both Republicans and Dems are to blame – no question there – true. So them we decide, do we help the shrinking middle class schmucks or give more money to the wealthy, wars and prisons?

    We need to pull back on some things for sure but I think making jobs for the middle class is the way to go and start building our economy again. More money for the wealthiest, wars, and prisons, and financial adventurism, which as been the practice the last 10 years, sank the economy. Time for our Congressmen to start working together.

    We might even listen to people like Elizabeth Warren

  131. JuneauJoe -

    As to who is to blame for the financial meltdown – yes the Wall Street firms bear a large part of the blame, but their gambling was made possible by legislative incompetence and outright fraud, IMHO, by those bastards that get their mail in Washington, DC. And it was not just the ReBiblicans, either. As I have said, there is more than enough blame to go ’round.

    Regardless of that, my point is that the obligations to the pension funds are not sustainable. That is not a value judgement or indictment of anyone; it is just a fact, and the longer we put off the reckoning, the worse it will be.

    Walker is not a cuddly figure, but at least he was willing to tackle the problem, which puts him ‘way in front of EVERYBODY else. For that he was attacked ferociously. These folks remind me of the cat that liked fish but hated to get his paws wet, or more like “I got mine; to hell with you.” You means YOU, JJoe. We need to face reality and realize that the unions are perfectly willing to throw you, me and everybody else under the bus, just so long as they get THEIRS – which wouldn’t be so bad if they at least did a good job. I don’t believe Scott Walker is the problem, but he sure is getting raped for trying to be the solution. But no matter what happens to HIM, the problem will not go away and we can’t wish it away by financing our unsustainable obligations with printed, funny money and unlimited borrowing. The day of reckoning will come, like it or not. Can you say, “Depression?”

  132. PFessor: Those pensions lost about 50% of their worth by the economic meltdown created by the Gamblers on Wall Street and de-regulation. I think it is unfair to blame the little guy who worked 30 years to get $1500.00 per month pension. That guy also hopes to get Social Security and Medicare to take him through the end of his life.

    Walker needs to be voted out. We need to make a transaction tax so the Wall Street Gamblers can start help paying back for the losses they created.

  133. “Wisconsin is quite serious about recalling Scott Walker. They have the necessary signatures plus. We will have to see what happens there.”

    I have dealt with the teachers’ union as a school board member in the ‘eighties. In the final analysis, unions artificially raise the cost of everything they produce, and in the case of the public schools, turn out a stunningly inferior product at a very high, financially unsustainable cost.

    Can they get Scott Walker thrown out? Likely yes, but pray they don’t. The longer this situation of unsustainable public pension obligations goes, the worse the fall will be when it DOES come – and come it WILL. Magical thinking is just that; if the numbers say something cannot go on, it will stop at some point, and all the wishing in the world will not help you. The question is how that end will come – reasonably, or disastrously.

  134. poolman: Great Link Here are a couple of bits of info from your link which I find interesting
    -Clear Channel owns more radio stations (850) than anyone else in the United States. They also own Premiere Radio Networks, the company that syndicates the radio shows of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck, among others.

    - Clear Channel basically owns conservative talk radio in the United States. So who owns Clear Channel? Well, it turns out that Bain Capital is one of the primary owners of Clear Channel. Yes, you read that correctly. The company that Mitt Romney ran for so long is one of the “big bosses” over virtually all conservative talk radio in America.

    Let me guess who Rush, Sean and Glenn will support – Romney?

  135. The Romney/Clear Channel connection.
    Control the media.
    Control the message.


  136. A couple of blog comments re: Palin and her tweet re: Andrew Sullivan and the Trig birther story. it was a dead issue until Sarah brought it up.

    Anonymous said…
    Ah yes! Sarah, you dumbass, NO ONE made you bring up Sullivan’s essay on your faux pregnancy except YOU! If you were paying attention (ha!) you would have known that Sullivan never got traction on his essay to begin with, which is another story.

    But, now that you’ve had your little bitch-fit and thrown that tidbit out to the masses in your insane effort to discredit our President (including your President Skanky), you’ve just opened yourself and your family up to renewed scrutiny yet AGAIN.

    And its all your fault.


    Roger Ailes gave the green light…this is all about ratings. And advertising dollars.
    The short term future for Palin is bleak, the movie Game Change will take care of that.
    Roger Ailes WILL get his money’s worth out of her before she is finally toast. And he will do that by throwing her to media wolves. Ailes is daring the media to look into Babygate. In fact he needs more Palin scandals. That way her contract expires this year with a bang. Bad news sells best, and a Palin TV meltdown or takedown will draw huge ratings. Ailes may not be liked by many people, but he is an old skool expert at this game, in fact he wrote the book! And SP is way too delusional to see what is coming her way. And old Todd, well he is either too stupid or too uncaring to help her out of the way of the trainwreck that is headed for her.


  137. FOX is belittling Andrew Sullivan for writing a supportive story about President Obama. However, Sulivan tells them to have him on FOX to debate his story instead of just lobbing accusations. Will FOX allow Andrew Sullivan to discuss his story? I hope so but doubt it.


    Following Palin’s lead Fox News uses Trig Truther smear to discredit Andrew Sullivan’s article in support of President Obama.

  138. He probably did, Juneau Joe, but it doesn’t change anything.

  139. James: It seems to me that Romney bought the Republican nomination fair and square thanks to Citizens United.

  140. Had Romney (and wealthy friends) paid taxes at the rate you and I pay, what could have been done?


    Taxing Romney under the same rules most of us follow would have put something in the neighborhoode of $61 million more into the US Treasury2. $61 million could:

    Restore the $2 million that Republicans cut from the Minority Business Development Agency — 25 times over. Why are we subsidizing Bain Capital and not people who can help lift their communities out of poverty? (And unlike the Bain Capitals of this world, they create jobs.)

    Replace the $30 million that Congressional Republicans voted to cut from National Oceanographic and Aeronautics Administration (NOAA) for “Flood and Coastal Emergencies.” Those storms cost our economy an average of $11.4 billion every year, which is nearly four hundred times the amount they cut from this fund. There’d be $31 million left over.

    Replace most of the $74 million Republicans cut from the FBI.

    Provide one year of health care for 7,700 Americans at US costs of $7,694 per person (for 2009). (If the US had one of the “socialized” systems that all other developed countries do, it would provide health care costs for more than 14,000 people.3)

    What if the top tax rate was 70 percent, as it was under Reagan at one point? Then Mitt would have contributed another $137 million to his nation. It’s morning again in America!

  141. Cynthia’s discussion of an internet strike is important. Interpretation of new rules could even hurt or destroy this site.Sponsors have back tracked, but they have money and patience. Eternal vigilance etc.

    My theory of why American upward mobility is lower relative to some European countries and Canada:

    Education and life choices
    Race and region
    Family culture and resources
    Relative wage structures
    Government policies

    Should the Republican front winner win the nomination we will have two choices, Robama or Obaromney. His record shows one to be a bad president. The other is a hypothetical shape shifter.

    Our choices are equivalent to “would you rather die in a sinking ship or a crashing airplane?”

  142. Juneau Joe and choir, remember when Romney was in charge of the winter Olympics out west? There was a revelation of his gross net worth at the tme: $400 million. You could just about tell his current gross income from his claim that his net income is in the $250 million range. Would he make a good President? No, not if he views it as a CEO that can make changes immediately if not sooner and without consequences. Plus, he has no idea what all the Joes and Janes in the 99% are experiencing in trying to hang on to their homes, whatever jobs and/or little money they have, and their sanity. And he wants to lower that 15% he currently pays! He’s Wall Street, not Main Street and all his shape shifting isn’t going to help him.

  143. FROTHY; for you


    Yep I have to imagine that once the American voters get a good look at the Republican Presidential mannequin that suddenly Obama will look pretty damn good!

    I will post it tomorrow, but did anybody else hear Palin on Hannity talk about how a 2008 candidate was NOT vetted by the media? And not a hint of irony on her face either.

    Go figure.



  144. On Cynthia’s topic


  145. FROTHY:

    Can you get me some Magic Underwear? I would like to see some.

    Thank You VERY MUCH for the Gi-Jo name, it is kind of growing on me now. I bet FROTH is growing on you too.


  146. I dont live in Wisconsin, so I really don’t care. I will however note you dodge apologizing/explaining for your false Messiah. I’ve signed a petition to have my Republican Governor removed as well. Unlike you, my morals and ethics trump party loyalty.

  147. Hi FROTH:

    Did you hear the great news from Wisconsin? Scott Walker will be in a recall election. They got a Million Signatures to get his sorry ass out of office – pretty cool dont you think?


    Dems need around 540,000 of those signatures to be certified as official in order for the recall of Walker to proceed. The one-million total makes that cushion pretty comfortable.

    Beside doubling the number of signatures needed, it almost mirrors the number of votes that Walker got in 2010 that put him in the statehouse. In addition to Walker, they got signatures to recall the following state reps:

    Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch – 845,000
    Sen. Terry Moulton of Chippewa Falls – 21,000+
    Sen. Pam Galloway of Wausau -21,000+
    Sen. Van Wanggaard of Racine – 24,000
    Sen. Scott Fitzgerald – 20,600

    FROTHY ANONYMOUS: I am interested in your thoughts on the topic.


  148. Mitt, please release your tax returns sooner than later. What kind of creative accounting can pull this off?

    Gi-Jo-Gina….bitch please. tell your false god…the Messiah to release his personal information them come talk to me. The most transparent administration in history my ass.

  149. Things we would not know if Mitt Romney did not run for President.
    Magic Underwear

  150. Mitt gave speeches for $374,000.00 (That is regular working income which should be taxed like you and I get taxed.) and it was taxed at 15%. Mitt, please release your tax returns sooner than later. What kind of creative accounting can pull this off?


    Romney could pay only 15% on corporate dividends, capital gains from taking stock profits and the carried interest on his share of Bain Capital’s profits from “carried interest.”

    But, there’s no way on earth he could get away with paying as little as 15% tax on ordinary income of $374,000 worth of speeches. No way, unless he used all kinds of special write-offs or special treatment. No wonder he doesn’t want to disclose his tax returns before he wins South Carolina on Saturday. I don’t blame him.

    FROTHY ANONYMOUS: Please explain… I am sure you can set me straight.

  151. This is so ironic: You can’t make this kind of stuff up. Those Republicans!


    The Washington Times, a newspaper owned by the Moonies but read by the semi-literate conservatives, says that the Santorum Catholics cheated the Gingrich Catholics.

    A leading evangelical and former aide to President George H.W. Bush said he agreed with suspicions voiced by others at the meeting of evangelical and conservative Catholic activists that organizers “manipulated” the gathering and may even have stuffed the ballot to produce an endorsement of Mr. Santorum over former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

    Noooo ……

    Oh yeah, and they even had voter fraud.

    Yet another evangelical political organizer who attended the meeting said he witnessed a possible incident of ballot-box stuffing. In at least one instance, the witness said, a participant was seen writing Mr. Santorum´s name on four separate ballots and putting all four in the box.

    I’m tellin’ ya, you cannot trust those people. And they’ll tell you that, too. Honey, they are so crooked that they have to screw their socks on in the morning.

    Thanks to Angela for the heads-up.

    Hi FROTHY ANON! Glad to see you here again!


  152. Wisconsin is quite serious about recalling Scott Walker. They have the necessary signatures plus. We will have to see what happens there.


  153. From MoveOn.org

    Tomorrow, MoveOn.org will go dark. No news, no information, no resources. Why? Because we’re protesting Internet censorship.

    Websites all over the Internet, including sites like YouTube and even MoveOn.org, could be made unavailable if big entertainment companies, the Chamber of Commerce, and their lobbyists get their way by ramming Internet censorship legislation through the Senate.

    That’s why tomorrow, Wednesday, January 18, we’re joining Reddit, Wikipedia, Mozilla, WordPress, TwitPic, Boing Boing, and thousands of other sites and blacking out MoveOn.org in protest.1

    You can participate in the blackout too and show the world tomorrow why you oppose Internet censorship.

    Last summer, these greedy corporations and their lobbyists thought they could wave their wallets and pass whatever bill they wanted that would harm the Internet. But over 230,000 MoveOn members, along with hundreds of thousands of other activists, spoke loudly at the end of 2011, letting Congress know that we would not support Internet censorship. The result of this was a significant weakening of support for the bill in the House.2

    They heard us then, and the Senate needs to a strong statement from us now because they’re set to vote on this bill on January 24.

    So we’re taking tomorrow to show just what the Internet would look like in an Internet censorship era. If you don’t like it, let everyone you’re connected to online know tomorrow. Then stay tuned for the next phase of this fight.


  154. So I was watching the comedy show Tosh.O and they talked about a chat service called Chatroulette. While most of it is perverts I did after a couple of hours on get to talk to 3 different people for some time. 1 from Russia (1 girl 3 guys in their early 20′s) a Father from Pakistan.(guessing late 30′s early 40′s. and a gentleman from Spain in his late 50′s early 60′s. What an educational experience.

    What I found most interesting is that they think of Obama is like one of our Reality TV stars. None of them thought Obama was really anything more than a pretty face on TV and that others were really running our country. This applies more to the people in Russia and Pakistan. The gentleman from Spain had much more harsh words that I would not repeat here. To sum it up he thinks of us as bullies trying to make the world more like us, while Obama is trying to make the US more them. He thinks Obama has Europe envy. If I can get past all the male nudeness I am going to try and talk with some other people to get their point of view.

  155. I know what history says. Democrats were in charge for over 100 years and did nothing to abolish sterilization until 1977. If it does your heart good to say all Democrats of that time are today’s Republicans its weak but go for it. History and I know better.

  156. Great comment AlaskaPi:

    This link is a perfect example of why NOTHING will be accomplished in 2012. I am wondering if the fellow in the link is my friend? FROTHY Anonymous – he expresses FROTHY’S thoughts to the Ts.

    It is actually scary to think this is what some people consider compromise today.


    FROTHY: Brilliant one, is that you speaking for the Republican Tea Party in this link?

  157. It is disingenuous to pretend vast amounts of information don’t exist, subjective and objective, to describe the shift of southern Democrats to the Republican Party in the late 60s.

    “The South becomes Republican”


    The Nixon Strategy of the 1968 Election


    It is also of no use to any of us to assume that these parties , by whatever name, haven’t morphed and changed over time , and that their platforms at some point in time stunk.
    Sometimes I think I stay a registered Dem to spit on the ghost of Andrew Jackson and the Indian Removal Act.
    The rise and fall of tensions between state rights v federal (and the sovereign relationship of indigeneous peoples with the Fed) mark our entire history.
    That tension serves a purpose in that whatever all else we are, we don’t want to vest too much power in any one place and argue like hell when we think something of the like has happened. The bad part is the real damage to everyday people when that argument goes on without reference to what they are experiencing on the ground.
    The work by both parties in the last 20 plus years to pander to our notion of the middle-class has largely ignored the shrinking of the middle class, the increasing lack of mobility across class lines (the myth of work hard and you too can be a millionaire), etc. Both blame and excoriate the other while we sit out here bitching at each other.
    The unholy alliance of the Centrist Dem philosophy with the neoliberal economic policy of the current Reps needs to be picked apart and examined carefully. Hands are dirty across the aisle and across the country.

  158. LOL, Crafty Lady! I guess I should have followed the comments further back. This place has gotten difficult to load again and the bulk of the comments are anonymous. What “manor” of person does that? :lol:

  159. Mitt and his dog. A book.


    FROTHY; BREAKING NEWS!! Stephen Colbert is asking his people to vote for Herman Cain. (A vote for Cain is then a vote for Colbert in SC.)


    What do you think of this development FROTHY Anonymous?

    FROTH; You are so smart!!!! Thank you for your input.

  160. Cynthia: Good choice.

    Frothy does not like facts presented unless he presents them. He often calls them lies actually.

    Froth: You really are wonderful.

  161. “Could you list for me the Democrats in the 70′s that are the Republicans now?”

    Me, for one. Then Independent, then Libertarian.

  162. “Could you list for me the Democrats in the 70′s that are the Republicans now?”

    Yes I can actually. But you are the one making decisions and condemning others based on faulty information. You need to do some research for yourself. Then we can compare names.


  163. Juneau Joe, your 4:15 AM post sounds soooo Romney. He was at one time a total hard hat regarding his religion. Word is he has softened a bit, but I sure feel for the sick woman in the hospital who got the “privilege” of his attention. This sort of “myopia” runs in his family. I vividly remember his father, George, who was the govenor of my state at one time. He was such a go-go-go guy with his eyes so much on the prize that there were actually people who were invisible to him. No, he would not throw a nun under a speeding truck but he still had to be advised as to who and what to look for in his public outings. Example: when he got off a plane at a particular stop, he should not look only for the adults in the crowd who were the official greeters and his most ardent and moneyed supporters. He should lower his vision in order to see the small, handicapped boy who would present him with a bouquet of flowers. (Unfortunately he had buzzed completely by such children when in campaign mode which was often his SOP.) He was also rehearsed as to what to say to the child. And then he could ignore the kid and concentrate on the important stuff.

    George was also the president of American Motors which manufactured the Rambler among other models. This company was located in Michigan. For some truly baffling reason — his explanations went over like a lead balloon — he moved the entire company to another state leaving a lot of Michiganders jobless. The move was supposed to support and increase profit. It failed. After a bit George had to throw in the towel and American Motors was no more. Score: jobless hundreds in two states but George was free from feeling the same pinch.

    Talk about DNA!

  164. To Poolman 1-16-12 11:28PM

    The regular resident anonymous did not place the article here. I did!!! When I typed in my by-line something went wrong. Resident annoying anonymous did not place the article here. I should have corrected it last night. My bad!


    FROTH; Seems Romney was not good for women when he was a leader in the Mormon church.

    Romney’s lack of compassion is similarly evident in the treatment of a woman whose life was threatened by her sixth pregnancy and who, in any case, was adamant she did not want another child no matter what.

    The Mormon Church “allows” abortion–saying it can be “justified”–in cases of rape or incest, when the health of the mother is seriously threatened, or when the fetus will surely not survive beyond birth. But “permission” is not automatically conveyed by the Church even in those circumstances. Such was the case for the woman facing her sixth pregnancy whose doctors discovered a complication with her pregnancy that posed some risk to her life, and whose fetus had a 50 percent chance of survival if born at full-term.

    One day in the hospital, her bishop—later identified as Romney… paid her a visit. He told her about his nephew who had Down syndrome and what a blessing it had turned out to be for their family. “As your bishop,” she said he told her, “my concern is with the child.” The woman wrote, “Here I—a baptized, endowed, dedicated worker, and tithe-payer in the church—lay helpless, hurt, and frightened, trying to maintain my psychological equilibrium, and his concern was for the eight-week possibility in my uterus—not for me!”

    Romney, it turns out, was not the leader of this woman’s congregation but for some reason felt he needed to weigh in. “The woman told Romney… that her stake president, a doctor, had already told her, ““Of course, you should have this abortion and then recover from the blood clot and take care of the healthy children you already have.””

    Romney, she said, fired back, “I don’t believe you. He wouldn’t say that. I’m going to call him.” And then he left. The woman said that she went on to have the abortion and never regretted it. “What I do feel bad about,” she wrote, “is that at a time when I would have appreciated nurturing and support from spiritual leaders and friends, I got judgment, criticism, prejudicial advice, and rejection.”



    Here is a Dr. Martin Luther King Rap, just for you: Because you sound like a true Patriot and you love all the children so: right? Should children of all colors go to good schools? and be able to strive for the American Dream, which you and I expect for our children?




  167. Google Santorum: Keep Frothy #1

    Frothy: The Military taught me a lot.
    The protestors kept me from Nam.
    Just when I got orders for Nam, they were delayed
    They cut back on the soldiers going to Nam because of the protests about Nam. They then let me out of the military with no Nam.

    Some of my buddies went to Nam. I could tell their Nam stories. I am pleased that I dont have any NAM stories myself and all body parts are intact.


  168. Gi-Jo-Gina. It is a shame your time in the military did not instil upon you a sense of honor and the notion to lie knowingly is a no-no. Do you feel your tactics and the content of your posts represents your nation in the manor befitting the spirit in which you stood up and defended it? (In the frothy subject context and the like.)


    GOP audience boos Romney’s Mexican heritage


    That is a lot to read if it is false. Why was it posted?

    FROTH; Why aren’t you answering my questions?


  170. “the poster” wasn’t your cut and paste paste? It is confusing the way you did that and I skimmed it, so yeah going back it seems the statements do claim that. Sorry. Give yourself a pat on the back.

  171. Guess reading comprehension isn’t so good poolman. Seems to me the poster said…twice…that it was a false story.

  172. Paid per word, eh anon? Double down on stupid.

    That neurosurgeon crap was debunked. Check with snopes. Or not. I guess you really aren’t interested in truth anyway. Carry on with whatever it is you do. I’m sure someone cares. :roll:

  173. Damn…and I thought JJ was some kid in his ma’s basement…..

  174. Home • Ask FactCheck • Neurological ‘Death Panels’? Neurological ‘Death Panels’?
    Posted on January 5, 2012

    Q: Does Obama plan to deny emergency brain surgery for patients over 70?

    A: No. A man claiming on a radio talk show to be a brain surgeon lied about that, and about a meeting of two assoHome • Ask FactCheck • Neurological ‘Death Panels’? Neurological ‘Death Panels’?
    Posted on January 5, 2012

    Q: Does Obama plan to deny emergency brain surgery for patients over 70?

    A: No. A man claiming on a radio talk show to be a brain surgeon lied about that, and about a meeting of two associations of neurological surgeons, those associations say.


    Several readers have asked us about a YouTube clip of comments made by a caller to The Mark Levin Show, a nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show, on Nov. 22, 2011. The caller, who is identified only as “Jeff” from Chicago on the show, says that he is a brain surgeon and that the Department of Health and Human Services had issued a document saying patients over age 70 should receive “comfort care,” instead of neurological surgery. He says this is “absolutely” like the “death panels” that Sarah Palin had claimed would be part of the federal health care law.

    Jeff (the caller): Basically, what the document stated was, if you’re over 70 and you’d come into an emergency room and you’re on government-supported health care that you get comfort care.

    Levin: What a minute. … What document and … what’s the source for this?

    Jeff: This is the Obama’s new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care.

    Levin: And who issued this, HHS?

    Jeff: Yes, and basically they don’t call them patients, they call them units. And instead of, they call it ethics panels or ethics committees would get together and meet and decide where the money would go for hospitals. And basically for patients over 70 years of age that advanced neurosurgical care was not generally indicated.

    Levin: So, it’s generally going to be denied?

    Jeff: Yes, absolutely.

    “Jeff” said that this document wasn’t public and that he had discussed it in Washington, D.C., at a seminar of the AANS and CNS — that’s the American Association of Neurological Surgeons and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons.

    But the AANS and CNS issued a statement on Nov. 28, and updated it on Jan. 3, saying they aren’t aware of any such federal document, and there was no session discussing anything of the sort at the recent CNS meeting. The updated statement said the caller “is not actually a neurosurgeon.”

    AANS and CNS statement: The AANS and CNS are unaware of any federal government document directing that advanced neurosurgery for patients over 70 years of age will not be indicated and only supportive care treatment will be provided. Furthermore, in conducting our own due diligence, the caller who identified himself as a brain surgeon is not actually a neurosurgeon, nor was there any session at the recent Congress of Neurological Surgeons’ scientific meeting in Washington, DC at which a purported government document calling for the rationing of neurosurgical care was discussed.

    Alison Dye, a spokeswoman for the groups, told us that they know who the caller is and that he is not a brain surgeon or a neurosurgeon. “One of our neurosurgeons knows who he is, and they had a conversation,” she said. AANS/CNS declined to give the full name of “Jeff,” the caller, saying that he had asked the groups not to identify him. Dye did say he was in the medical field but was not registered at a recent CNS meeting in Washington, D.C., since he isn’t a neurosurgeon and isn’t part of the organization.

    She agreed to pass along a message to both “Jeff” and the neurosurgeon who knows him, telling them that we would like to speak with them. We will update this article if we get a response from either person.

    We also contacted the Department of Health and Human Services. Erin Shields, director of communications for health care, told us: “These false claims were simply made up by an anonymous call to a radio station. No such document exists and no such presentation took place. And, the American Association of Neurological Surgeons and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons have both gone on the record to denounce these false rumors as well.”

    After Levin ended his conservation with “Jeff,” he told another caller that the supposed brain surgeon “was vetted by us. We know he is who he said he is.”

    We have called and emailed the producer of the show to ask for more information about this person. We will update this article if we receive a response.

    The AANS and CNS repeatedly have asked the show to remove that episode of the podcast from the website, but so far, that has not happened. The groups said: “Neurosurgeons are committed to providing timely, compassionate, and state of the art treatment for all patients — regardless of age — who have neurosurgical conditions. As such, we have requested numerous times that this podcast be removed from Mark Levin’s website as it portrays inaccurate information which could potentially be harmful to the patients that we serve.”

    When Levin asked, “So Sarah Palin was right, we’re going to have these death panels?,” “Jeff” responded, “Oh, absolutely.” He then made a reference to Nazi Germany, saying: “I’m German by heritage, and I’ve read ‘The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich,’ and basically … they don’t call them patients, they call them units, and if you’re a unit above a certain age, you get comfort care instead of advanced neurosurgical intervention.”

    He also talked about being in training for 10 years and doing surgery on patients at 2 in the morning. He claimed one of his former partners was “head of the Congress of Neurosurgeons.”

    Again, the CNS says he’s not part of that group and not a neurosurgeon. We asked if there was any document about neurosurgery and patients over 70 that this caller could be exaggerating or misconstruing, but the spokeswoman told us the neurological groups have no idea what “Jeff” is talking about.

    – Lori Robertson

    YouTube.com. Neurosurgeon calls Mark Levin about Obamacare. 23 Nov 2011.

    American Association of Neurological Surgeons and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons. Press release. 3 Jan 2012.

    The Mark Levin Show. Podcast. 22 Nov 2011.

    ciations of neurological surgeons, those associations say.


    Several readers have asked us about a YouTube clip of comments made by a caller to The Mark Levin Show, a nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show, on Nov. 22, 2011. The caller, who is identified only as “Jeff” from Chicago on the show, says that he is a brain surgeon and that the Department of Health and Human Services had issued a document saying patients over age 70 should receive “comfort care,” instead of neurological surgery. He says this is “absolutely” like the “death panels” that Sarah Palin had claimed would be part of the federal health care law.

    Jeff (the caller): Basically, what the document stated was, if you’re over 70 and you’d come into an emergency room and you’re on government-supported health care that you get comfort care.

    Levin: What a minute. … What document and … what’s the source for this?

    Jeff: This is the Obama’s new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care.

    Levin: And who issued this, HHS?

    Jeff: Yes, and basically they don’t call them patients, they call them units. And instead of, they call it ethics panels or ethics committees would get together and meet and decide where the money would go for hospitals. And basically for patients over 70 years of age that advanced neurosurgical care was not generally indicated.

    Levin: So, it’s generally going to be denied?

    Jeff: Yes, absolutely.

    “Jeff” said that this document wasn’t public and that he had discussed it in Washington, D.C., at a seminar of the AANS and CNS — that’s the American Association of Neurological Surgeons and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons.

    But the AANS and CNS issued a statement on Nov. 28, and updated it on Jan. 3, saying they aren’t aware of any such federal document, and there was no session discussing anything of the sort at the recent CNS meeting. The updated statement said the caller “is not actually a neurosurgeon.”

    AANS and CNS statement: The AANS and CNS are unaware of any federal government document directing that advanced neurosurgery for patients over 70 years of age will not be indicated and only supportive care treatment will be provided. Furthermore, in conducting our own due diligence, the caller who identified himself as a brain surgeon is not actually a neurosurgeon, nor was there any session at the recent Congress of Neurological Surgeons’ scientific meeting in Washington, DC at which a purported government document calling for the rationing of neurosurgical care was discussed.

    Alison Dye, a spokeswoman for the groups, told us that they know who the caller is and that he is not a brain surgeon or a neurosurgeon. “One of our neurosurgeons knows who he is, and they had a conversation,” she said. AANS/CNS declined to give the full name of “Jeff,” the caller, saying that he had asked the groups not to identify him. Dye did say he was in the medical field but was not registered at a recent CNS meeting in Washington, D.C., since he isn’t a neurosurgeon and isn’t part of the organization.

    She agreed to pass along a message to both “Jeff” and the neurosurgeon who knows him, telling them that we would like to speak with them. We will update this article if we get a response from either person.

    We also contacted the Department of Health and Human Services. Erin Shields, director of communications for health care, told us: “These false claims were simply made up by an anonymous call to a radio station. No such document exists and no such presentation took place. And, the American Association of Neurological Surgeons and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons have both gone on the record to denounce these false rumors as well.”

    After Levin ended his conservation with “Jeff,” he told another caller that the supposed brain surgeon “was vetted by us. We know he is who he said he is.”

    We have called and emailed the producer of the show to ask for more information about this person. We will update this article if we receive a response.

    The AANS and CNS repeatedly have asked the show to remove that episode of the podcast from the website, but so far, that has not happened. The groups said: “Neurosurgeons are committed to providing timely, compassionate, and state of the art treatment for all patients — regardless of age — who have neurosurgical conditions. As such, we have requested numerous times that this podcast be removed from Mark Levin’s website as it portrays inaccurate information which could potentially be harmful to the patients that we serve.”

    When Levin asked, “So Sarah Palin was right, we’re going to have these death panels?,” “Jeff” responded, “Oh, absolutely.” He then made a reference to Nazi Germany, saying: “I’m German by heritage, and I’ve read ‘The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich,’ and basically … they don’t call them patients, they call them units, and if you’re a unit above a certain age, you get comfort care instead of advanced neurosurgical intervention.”

    He also talked about being in training for 10 years and doing surgery on patients at 2 in the morning. He claimed one of his former partners was “head of the Congress of Neurosurgeons.”

    Again, the CNS says he’s not part of that group and not a neurosurgeon. We asked if there was any document about neurosurgery and patients over 70 that this caller could be exaggerating or misconstruing, but the spokeswoman told us the neurological groups have no idea what “Jeff” is talking about.

    – Lori Robertson

    YouTube.com. Neurosurgeon calls Mark Levin about Obamacare. 23 Nov 2011.

    American Association of Neurological Surgeons and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons. Press release. 3 Jan 2012.

    The Mark Levin Show. Podcast. 22 Nov 2011.

  175. “Your friend needs to figure out that the old Democratic Party in NC and the South is now the new Republican Party here The dates you question were slightly arbitrary as is the settlement number Obviously no number is adequate but the Democrats wanted to lead the Country in providing money for this wrong hoping other states would follow. ”

    Could you list for me the Democrats in the 70′s that are the Republicans now?

  176. “Just so you know. My father had 6 kids, never worked, left and never paid any support. He got fired a lot, He was an alcoholic and a bad gambler. I am one of those from the other side of the tracks.”

    My folks never had much, but were VERY responsible – both of them. Raised 5 kids ‘way out in the country. Dad was out of work for 6 years when I was little but we got by OK on his savings and selling Xmas trees, raising a few cattle,etc. My older bros made “allotments” from their military pay, and they didn’t make much to start with. Couldn’t imagine my kids doing something like that. Good, principled people all.

    “I went through college with Pell Grants and loans.”

    Me too. Scholarship or two. Worked in the mines in summers too. Dad and brothers helped as much as they could.

    “I am now told that I could do OK without working any longer but I still work. I have 3 children and 4 grandkids as well and nieces and nephews to help at times.”

    Wow, different times. The young’uns would never think of ASKING for help from the old folks and felt obliged to help THEM.

    “When you talk of drinking and being irresponsible, I think of GW Bush and Rick Perry and my dad.”

    Yeah, I consider them turds also most of the time, but they are not ALL evil; that was what I was getting at.

    “I am simply saying: People are voting for people who don’t want family planning services, don’t want women to have choices and then want the little waifs to waste away and/or go to jail.”

    Believe me, you couldn’t dislike some of these goobers as much as I do, but it ain’t that simple. When you are being so dogmatic, you sound like the people you claim to oppose. People are complicated. My Dad’s older brother used to say, “There is so much good in the worst of us and so much bad in the best of us, it behooves none of us to talk about the rest of us.”

    “I did go to prison once for a boxing match and it scared the crap out of me. Seeing that as a visitor was enough.”

    I saw the inside as a guest of the sheriff, after getting in some trouble. A very helpful experience for a smart-mouthed kid. Didn’t stay long but it was pretty traumatic. Once was a-plenty, believe me!

    “I want my kids and grandkids to have things as good or better than I did.”

    We all do. I do a lot of reading and I don’t think you help the poor by attacking people who have had success in life. Those are the people you should be encouraging kids to emulate, not hate. I have met some very rich, very fine people and these monsters you believe you see all around you are rare, rare, rare.

    “I think raising taxes to the Clinton/Reagan levels and quit getting into macho wars will help to move or country forward.”

    These wars make me lose my mind; I’m with you there, but taxes are like putting extra pounds on a race car. Sure, I’d like to have power seats, but it costs pounds and pounds cost speed. I’d like a radio in my race car, too, but it costs speed too. Pretty soon you have a car that won’t beat a bicycle. Yes we need taxes, but every tax slows down the engine that provides for us ALL; they should be low and carefully considered, not a way to punish those who have been successful.

    “I also think there should be a transaction tax for Wall Street. Speculation caused the economic crash”

    No. Not true at all. There is a lot of blame to go around, both for Democrats and Republicans as well. I have studied this mess for more than a year now, and the simple answers are wrong. There are a lot of good books out there for cheap that go through the whole process; it is well understood now what happened – and let me tell you, what Obama and The Bernank are doing right now are riding us on the razor’s edge of disaster. The major companies are not investing in any new equipment or business until they see if Obama will be reelected. They can handle regulation; what they cannot handle is uncertainty, and nobody knows what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month. I personally believe we have at least a 60% chance of a worldwide Great Depression, worse than the ‘thirties.


    Naw, I’ve been watching your posts for a long time now. I know a good fellow when I see one. Hell, we’re ALL pretty good folks; we just want what’s best for ourselves and our kids.

  177. TEA PARTY FOR OBAMA It is a real site.


    They looked at all the hot air from the RINO’s and then looked at what has been done with President Obama at the helm and are pushing for Obama.
    It says it looks like they will be on Hannity in the near future.

    FROTH: Please DO NOT go to the Tea Party for Obama website, I think it would put your health at risk. I am actually sorry to be the one to give you the good news. (Froth: Bad news for you I guess.)

  178. Careful folks: I almost choked when I read this: TEABAGGERS FOR OBAMA


    Ronald Reagan
    • Stared the Soviets in the face and did not blink.
    • Increased wealth of the country 500%
    • Reduced Government size
    • Decreased spending

    William J. Clinton
    • Brought incredible prosperity to the country
    • Created a budget surplus
    • Reduced government size
    • Reduced taxes and put the country back to work

    Barack H. Obama
    • Reduced government size
    • Largest tax cut ever
    • Provided health care for everyone
    • Protected medicare
    • Saved country from the worst recession ever
    • Saved the US auto industry
    • Took out bin Laden

    HEY FROTH: Please don’t have a heart attack when you see this.

  179. http://www.rollcall.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-112

    The top ten were taken from this list. And yes of the top ten 3 are Republican (1&2 are Republican) and 7 are Democrats. But of the 50 total 32 are Republican and 18 are Democrats. I guess it depends upon looking at the whole picture or just one little piece that says what you want.

    Re: Anonymous @ 4:57
    The Democrats were the ones working on the package (which now has the endorsement of the Democratic Governor and is very likely to become effective – the first such compensation package in the country). The Republicans have been resisting the package.

    Your friend needs to figure out that the old Democratic Party in NC and the South is now the new Republican Party here The dates you question were slightly arbitrary as is the settlement number Obviously no number is adequate but the Democrats wanted to lead the Country in providing money for this wrong hoping other states would follow.

    The better way to look at the political history is conservative and progressive. The Democrats in the South were largely conservative prior to the civil rights acts and progressive thereafter while the Republicans in the South have always been conservative and their ranks grew with the addition of the old conservative wing of the Democratic Party. Your friend needs to work much harder on his facts He is as far off as possible on this matter.


  180. Just so you know. My father had 6 kids, never worked, left and never paid any support. He got fired a lot, He was an alcoholic and a bad gambler. I am one of those from the other side of the tracks.

    I went through college with Pell Grants and loans. I am now told that I could do OK without working any longer but I still work. I have 3 children and 4 grandkids as well and nieces and nephews to help at times.

    When you talk of drinking and being irresponsible, I think of GW Bush and Rick Perry and my dad. There are Dems as well. My mother was a Republican who voted Democratic. She was a strong union person because a union job was the only job where she got health care for us kids.

    I am simply saying: People are voting for people who don’t want family planning services, don’t want women to have choices and then want the little waifs to waste away and/or go to jail. I did go to prison once for a boxing match and it scared the crap out of me. Seeing that as a visitor was enough.

    I worked 40 hours a week and went to high school. I was in the military. I have had a professional career and I could retire should I choose that.

    I want my kids and grandkids to have things as good or better than I did.
    I think raising taxes to the Clinton/Reagan levels and quit getting into macho wars will help to move or country forward.

    I also think there should be a transaction tax for Wall Street. Speculation caused the economic crash and a mild tax from them should be implemented to help pay for the mess they made. Tax loopholes need to be cut as well.


  181. Pfessor: Taxing people at the rate of the President Clinton years is not excessive. Deciding to go to war should mean we pay for it as we fight it is not crazy.


    History has shown that when societies get too unequal bad things happen. They either become economically inefficient or they become subject to social unrest. In many cases both happen simultaneously. ,,, The wealth of the few has been maintained at a high cost to the majority.
    As new societies arise which are more equal and more efficient, the oligarchical societies will fall ever further behind. The peasant class that kept things going, inefficiently, will no longer be enough. The capital needed for growth will not be present and the expertise needed to deal with modern technology will not be in place. We can see such failed societies in parts of Africa.

    We in the US need to decide if we are going to slip into an inefficient oligarchy, risk civil unrest or redirect our resources and wealth into more equitable avenues. No society is perfectly egalitarian, but when we have reached a point where the top one fifth in Manhattan makes $350,000 and the bottom fifth makes $7,000 we are probably near an economic tipping point. How we deal with the coming challenge is up to us.

    Moral: A just society is an equitable society, an equitable society is a just society.

  182. “The United States Congress is the name given to the quarterly gathering of the 2 rival groups of 11 year-olds”


  183. top 10…..3 republicans/7 Democrats…..
    How dare they knock Kerry down to 3rd…..

  184. JuneauJoe -

    You seem like a nice fellow, but it seems to me like you are always thinking on the top layer. If schools are not equal, then it de facto means it’s for a heinous reason and it’s somebody else’s fault. That reason is “discrimination” or a “plot” to “keep poor people down” and the somebody at fault is always “not the victim” – that means it is those who have done well, or white folks, or the other usual suspects.

    I can only speak for myself, but I got news for you; I’ve worked damn hard for everything I have and I ain’t kept NOBODY down. While I was studying my ass off, those guys were hanging out under my dorm window, drinking beer and ogling the frat girls. When I was in the library on my weekends, they were shooting baskets. Think I didn’t want to shoot baskets, too? Damned right I did, but I had other priorities – like getting in med school.

    Sometimes – in fact, most times – people don’t do well because they make bad choices. There may be segregation because “like folks” want to live near “like folks.” The neighborhoods are shot through with drugs because there are no men in the neighborhood to crush the drug dealers’ heads. (They can’t be bothered with taking care of their families; they have OTHER families to create with OTHER women. Rinse and repeat. And again. And again.) It really bugs me that when something is not completely homogeneous, the search starts for some witch or other; most times just look at the “disadvantaged” fellow himself and you have the answer. I saw it over and over in West Virginia and it’s not a racial thing; almost everybody there is white. It’s a problem of poverty – not poverty of money – it’s a poverty of spirit. Cancer of the soul.

    About twenty-five years ago a friend of mine invited me to one of his Mensa meetings. I thought it would be wonderful – talking about science with like geeks. It was horrible. The most accomplished person there was a radio station engineer. All they did was talk about how they had been discriminated against and “kept down” by others who were just jealous of how smart they were. Give me a break. Sometimes there REALLY IS no plot. There is just a big lack of gumption.

    Apologise for the length.


    The solutions to segregation—what sociologists Douglas Massey and Nancy Denton call American Apartheid—are also political and economic. Metropolitan regions, a single economic unit, should equitably share revenues to fund schools instead of depending on municipal property taxes. Affordable housing, including public housing and Section 8 vouchers, should be equitably spread across the region and not ghettoized in neighborhoods with high violent crime and the worst schools.

    But in the era of Occupy Wall Street it’s important to remember that segregation is today also a function of class (not that this makes things any better for poor black people): a 2011 Stanford University study finds that the rich are increasingly likely to live in rich neighborhoods, the poor evermore likely to live in poor neighborhoods. Our hollowed-out service economy is a segregated hour-glass structure with a big bottom, small middle, and tiny
    FROTH: Why did you say I was for Sterilizing women when I wasn’t?


  186. opensecrets.org
    The worth of the top 25 congressmen in 2010.
    13 Republicans to 12 Democrats.

    The worth of the top 50 congressmen.
    32 Republicans to 18 Democrats.

    Not everyone agrees with you as to who is the more wealthy.


  187. “Eugenics was a scientific theory that grew in popularity during the 1920s. Eugenicists believed that poverty, promiscuity and alcoholism were traits that were inherited. To eliminate those society ills and improve society’s gene pool, proponents of the theory argued that those that exhibited the traits should be sterilized. Some of America’s wealthiest citizens of the time were eugenicists including Dr. Clarence Gamble of the Procter and Gamble fortune and James Hanes of the hosiery company. Hanes helped found the Human Betterment League which promoted the cause of eugenicists.

    It began as a way to control welfare spending on poor white women and men, but over time, North Carolina shifted focus, targeting more women and more blacks than whites. A third of the sterilizations performed in North Carolina were done on girls under the age of 18. Some were as young as nine years old.

    For the past eight years, North Carolina lawmakers have been working to find a way to compensate those involuntarily sterilized in the state between 1929 and 1974. During that time period, 7,600 people were sterilized in North Carolina.

    The last time the GOP controlled the NC Senate, it was 1898. The GOP only controlled the House for a few years during that time period. The Democrats were in control of the Governor’s mansion the entire time that the sterilization program was in use. The GOP finally took over the General Assembly this year, the first time in 110 years. What were the Democrat, who had the GA and the Governorship the last 8 years, doing?”

  188. UAW: Newt and his mistress: Newt was impeaching President Clinton for having a mistress (Blowjob anyway) while he had a mistress.

    President Eisenhower had a mistress. I even had a mistress at one point.

    FROTHY: Please answer my question and I am ready for your next question.

    Schools and Segregation: Then and Now!! What changes?

    Martin Luther King, a giant of the movement for integration, was assassinated nearly 44 years ago, the national holiday in his honor established in 1983. Yet American neighborhoods and schools remain profoundly segregated.

    As I reported in Salon, the 2010 census showed that racial segregation in housing remains extremely high and is “decreasing [only] slowly, although the dividing lines are shifting as middle-income blacks, Latinos and Asians move to once all-white suburbs — whereupon whites often move away, turning older suburbs into new, if less distressed, ghettos.”

    Our schools are similarly separate and unequal: an August 2011 study by Brown University sociologist John Logan found that the average white student attended an elementary school that scored nearly twice as high on state tests than the school attended by the average black child.

    “It is hard,” says Logan, “to imagine how the disadvantages in schools attended by black and Hispanic children can be redressed unless there are major changes in the segregation of schools by race and class. And the issue of segregation is not on the policy agenda.”

  189. Shame on Newt for having a mistress……OH wait….so did MLK…
    “One of his mistresses, in fact, was staying at the Lorraine the night before he was killed. ”



    FROTH: You are talking a small part of the Democratic Party. My state was not for it. I was never for it. Thank You Cynthia for the clarification – facts and background information was needed.

    Martin Luther King on Meet the Press 1965

    FROTH: Next Question please. I am taking time for you.

  191. Dr. Alveda King Calls Martin Luther King, Jr. a “Pro-Life Social Conservative”


  192. Why the Democrat party was for forced sterilization, up until 1977.


    FROTH: This link was actually supposed to be with the last answer to your questions? Sorry, I will get my links set up before I start writing – goofed. Some might find it a bit offensive but it is against Ron Paul so it should meet your standards. It seems that it is OK to be offensive to people you don’t agree with after all.

    Enjoy my dear friend FROTH!


    Just to let everyone know: Froth and I don’t mind making up names for each other. Anonymous was too long so I came up with FROTH. (I also think it suits him well.) He calls me Gi – Joe – Gina, which is fine with me.
    So, don’t get bothered by the names – we say them fondly. It does not bother either of us.

    FROTH: NEXT QUESTION PLEASE. I have time to answer it now.


  194. “and I will vilify Democrats on forced sterilization,” This is a statement you have made a number of times. If I remember correctly you once said something along these lines that you became a Republican/conservative because the Democrats sterilized blacks in North Carolina in the 1960s. There were 30 states practicing eugenics and I am sure it was not just the Democratic Party behind it.

    But here are the facts on North Carolina:

    The sterilization or Eugenics program used in North Carolina was known as the Human Betterment League, created in 1947 by hosiery king James G. Hanes and Clarence Gamble of Proctor & Gamble. It was similar to that used in numerous states and it was supported for years by Democrats and Republicans alike. It originally was mainly used against white women and over the years became more focused on Blacks.

    It ended in the sixties for two reasons. First it seen as what the Nazis had done. Secondly the early sixties brought on progressive Democrats such as Terry Sanford and their positions on the civil rights stances in NC. They brought about a change and most of the conservative Democrats became Republicans because of those civil rights supported by Sanford and Pres. Johnson.

    A great deal of study has been done on the issue by UNC which has been strongly critical of both parties at the beginning of the sixties for not correcting the situation earlier but crediting the progressive leadership of Sanford and other Democrats and not crediting Jessie Helms and his conservative movement.

    The old ruling party in the South was the Democrats but when Johnson led the Civil Rights Act into law that conservative wing became Republicans – or DixieCrats in the early change years. Most of the Democratic positions are progressive and most of the Republican positions are conservative molded historically by Jesse Helms and his movement which remains strong in NC today.

    Noah – you have taken a very small snapshot in that both Democrats and Republicans in power at the time did not abolish the terrible practice more timely and forcefully but you have missed the history that it was the Democrats who moved the state against racial prejudice and ended the practice of sterilization or Eugenics in NC.

    Let me repeat that again. You have taken a frame of history – for which both parties must share the blame but missed the fact of which party, THE DEMOCRATS, without any doubt, led the changes in the period and ended the practice of sterilization.

    But for the progressive Democratic Party, NC would likely still be a repressive state under the influence of Jessie Helms.

    You have stated you became a Conservative because of a belief only the Democrats were responsible for practicing eugenics based upon a small view of NC history. I would respectfully suggest that you more fully update your understanding of that history.


  195. It would appear that the caller to the Mark Levin show was a ringer.

    Accept my apologies. Caveat Emptor


  196. and those damn people that want to combine church and politics!!!!!!!!



    FROTH: THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WHO IS FOR FORCED STERILIZATION? Just wondering. You keep bringing that up. I am certainly not for it.


    -What is a mother’s life is in danger – can there be an exception?
    -What is a little girl was raped – should she be forced to have the child?
    -Are you willing to pay for all children the Republican laws create? That is educational costs, birth cost, cost of raising the child?
    -You willing to pay out of your pocket for it?



  198. Very interesting phone call to Mark Levin show re: Obamacare and older Americans.

    Somebody needs to get this to AuntieJean if possible:

  199. I understand your need to vilify Republicans. How about you vilify them about a holiday, and I will vilify Democrats on forced sterilization, and lets see if we can agree on which is the greater crime? What ya think Gi-Jo-Gina?


    FROTH: To answer your question about Dem wealthy – They should pay the higher rate as well. I agree with you, those who have the most, Dem or Rep, should give to charities as well as pay the same taxes, or more, as they did under Clinton and/or Reagan (our hero.)

    FROTH; THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION! (Sorry for confusing you with no quotation marks but I am not writing a thesis – please forgive me.) Read the link – you will figure out which is me.



    Frothy Anonymous: To answer your question: Stop a couple of wars for a start. By the Way: IF WE DECIDE TO GO TO WAR – LETS ACTUALLY PAY FOR THEM AS WE GO, like in the good old days, like Vietnam and WW1 and WW 2.

    We could even close Guantanamo: We are spending about 150,000 per year when we could house those same folks in underused US Prisons for a mere 50,000 per year. WAR ON DRUGS: our prisons are filled with people who used drugs but did not use a weapon in a crime. Legalize POT – then it will take POT away from Mexican cartels and people would not be killed as readily and we have a new source of tax revenue.

    “Mr. Conservative” (Barry Goldwater) voted against the holiday.

    Ron Paul voted against the bill that created the holiday — twice.

    77 of the 90 nay votes in final bill in the House were cast by Republicans.

    18 of the 22 nay votes in the final bill in the Senate were cast by Republicans.

    And the Greatest American in the History of America, Ronald “States’ Rights” Reagan, only reluctantly signed the bill into law because it arrived on his desk with veto-proof majorities. Before he signed it, he said,

    Congress seemed bent on making it a national holiday.

    What an inspiring endorsement.

    American Conservatives: Wrong About Everything Since 1776.


    FROTH: Thank you for the question. I actually have more to say but will leave it there.


  202. What about your millionaires and billionaires Gi-Jo-Gina? I have already shown its the Democrat party that has the most by far of the old crony rich dogs, who I might add, give the least of any political party to charity.


    Mitt Romney doesn’t support any of these solutions. He thinks we should discuss class inequality, if at all, in “quiet rooms.” None of declining number of Non-Mitts support these things; most are vehemently against them. Ron Paul positively froths at the mouth at the idea. Congress, composed mostly the top 20%, seems much more interested in looking after their kids than looking after America’s kids. So the gap between rich and poor will continue to widen.
    Martin Luther King, whose day this is, utterly rejected the idea of discussions in quiet rooms. That was where racial inequality was discussed – and preserved – for decades. When a Republican tells you we can’t afford school lunch programs, or can’t afford better schools, or can’t afford health care? They’re telling you we can’t afford the American Dream. When a billionaire like Mitt Romney tells you that it is inflammatory or class warfare to discuss the issue in public, he is repudiating the American Dream. President Obama, if re-elected, cannot by himself restore the goal of equal opportunity. Especially with the current Congress. But the odds are immensely higher than with a newly-elected plutocrat like Romney.


  204. Juneau Joe, I agree Dr. King would probably be disappointed if he came back today. However, income and class disparity have always been with us. Some of it has to do with choices. Other factors depend on who one knows and family connections.President Obama, the son of a single mother who never knew his father became president because his family knew people. Were he born and raised in Alabama, he would still be a college instructor. Not even the communists were able to stamp out human nature.

    I have seen foreign poverty with my own eyes. With the exception of the Pine Ridge Reservation and some parts of Appalacia in the sixties, many foreign poor people are in much worse shape than ours.

    I have a theory about upward mobility and lack of it, but we are leaving now, so it will have to wait.

  205. Doris, I composed most of the words myself which were combined with a song. The fire did look pretty as the oranges and reds contrasted and combined with the nearby snow while shades and shadows darkened away from the flames. It was hellish, but it was pretty. That was combined with sounds and smells which I wish I could forget. You think you are disturbed? So am I Something was wrong, seriously wrong with me.

    We had retention officers who interviewed us from time to time to persuade us to stay in the service. One was a Master sargent. I don’t remember the other’s rank. Two hospital commanders on different bases talked to me about staying in, but they were not official. They did it because they thought I was someone special who should attend OTS. My efficiency reports made me look much better than I was and I worried that they would discover the real me any day.

    Were you ever at Ellsworth AFB in South Dakota? If so I might have taken your x-rays if you were there between 1966 and 1968. My uncle was a colonel at a California base in the late 1950′s or 1960′s. What was your favorite part of the country? Did you take advantage of the culture and sights where you were? Our NCOIC at one base said he was stationed near Carlsbad Caverns for nine years and never took the time to visit.

  206. Gi-Jo-Gina, just because you cannot see the forest through the trees does not mean Republicans cannot. They actually care about people, you and your kind only care about exploiting them. Republicans understand the deficit spending of the Messiah administration can no longer continue. Our debt now exceeds our GDP. The check is on the table. We either cut back the size of government, cut back spending, or there will be nothing for anyone. Its time we step up and start paying our own way. Our kids do not deserve our debt. Or do you think our kids do deserve it Gi-Jo-Gina?

  207. this needs bipartisan support….


  208. LOL….



    If you are born poor in America, in the bottom 20% of the economy, the odds are heavily against your ever doing better. Partly that’s because the poor in America are in worse shape than the poor in other nations. Nutrition, health and educational opportunities are all lower. At the physiological level, it’s not only hard to learn when you are hungry; it’s impossible to learn if you are malnourished. The extraordinarily high incarceration rates among the poor, usually resulting in single parent households, further contributes to the problem.

    As Paul Krugman put it,

    Think about it: someone who really wanted equal opportunity would be very concerned about the inequality of our current system. He would support more nutritional aid for low-income mothers-to-be and young children. He would try to improve the quality of public schools. He would support aid to low-income college students. And he would support what every other advanced country has, a universal health care system, so that nobody need worry about untreated illness or crushing medical bills.

    Mitt Romney doesn’t support any of these solutions.


    I LET THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. The charts are quite telling.


  210. Gi-Jo-Gina, I have proven you wrong dozens of times and you gloss over. So please dont be mad we do not lend any credibility to your third rate hack sites where facts are judged by feelings and toe tingles.

  211. What I find interesting is that you ignore a respected study.

    Please challenge the facts as they stand.

    I Hate Obama bumper stickers do not do you service. It is actually a cop out and shows I am correct.

  212. James, my story is, husband retired as a Bird Colonel in B-52’s at stateside SAC bases only. SAC is now ACC. We never heard of a base commander trying to re-up any non-com. SOP is just to send out the directive to retain as many warm bodies as possible.

    Something was most disturbing in the poem you posted. Either you composed it yourself or copied it from somewhere. Twice it said the truck fire was so pretty. I cannot imagine what could ever be pretty about people burning to death in a truck fire.

  213. a couple more….



  214. and while we’re at it….


  215. hey JJ…..




    In fact, among the wealthy countries, the United States has the lowest rates of upward mobility. One well-regarded German study found,

    The main driver of the difference in the pattern of male intergenerational mobility in the U.S. from that of each of the other countries in our study is the low mobility out of the lowest quintile group in the United States. Indeed, it is very noticeable that while for all of the other countries persistence is particularly high in the upper tails of the distribution, in the U.S. this is reversed – with a particularly high likelihood that sons of the poorest fathers in the U.S. will remain in the lowest earnings quintile. We view this as a challenge to the popular notion of an “American exceptionalism” in economic mobility. Indeed, the combination of a high proba- bility of American sons of the poorest fifth of fathers remaining in the lowest quintile group, the lower probability of “rags-to-riches” (poorest to richest) and slightly lower probability of “riches-to-rags” (richest to poorest), places the notion of American exceptionalism in a new light. The U.S., or at least the population of young U.S. men, seems to be distinguished from other countries by having greater low-income persistence, rather than less, having fewer very large positional changes across generations, rather than more, and possibly having a greater persistence of high income, rather than less.

    Congressional Budget Office data support the German conclusion:


  217. “We now judge people by the size of their paychecks”

    Thanks for articulating that so well Gi-Jo-Gina. That is the Liberal party’s main problem, they judge people by their paychecks. It doesn’t matter what they do in life, they are evil if they are successful in life. They are the victimized if they have not done well in life. It doesn’t matter where you are at, Liberals have a classification for you based on your paycheck. Makes it easier for them to exploit you when you all fit into these nice little groupings.

  218. Dr. Martin Luther King: How far have we come? We now judge people by the size of their paychecks


    Yet if King could see America now, I believe that he would be disappointed, and feel that his work was nowhere near done. He dreamed of a nation in which his children “will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” But what we actually became is a nation that judges people not by the color of their skin — or at least not as much as in the past — but by the size of their paychecks. And in America, more than in most other wealthy nations, the size of your paycheck is strongly correlated with the size of your father’s paycheck.

    Goodbye Jim Crow, hello class system.

  219. Chalk man is willing to go to jail for his convictions. Good for him.

    Okeefe dramatized the ease of committing voter fraud. Past cases have proven voter registration and voter fraud .No one knows how many close elections were determined by bogus votes.

    You believe James Okeefe deserves jail time. I don’t know if he does or not. In my opinion, others certainly do. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are just one men who deserve jail time, but no one has enough evidence or desire to press charges.That also applies to other Democratic and Republican members of Congress.

    I’m glad Okeefe ran the sting no matter what happens. Martin Luther King said to change the world, one must be willing to break the law and accept the punishment. Court will decide his fate. Maybe money and highly placed friends will keep him free to run another sting. It happens all the time to liberals and conservatives. Its always been that way.

    OKeefe and Chalkman are both acting on their beliefs.

    “Iowa means nothing. The real world doesn’t think like Iowans.” Maybe they should. From Iowa Nice on YouTube: “You’re probably watching this on a computer. Any guesses as to where it was invented?…So stop worrying so much about what we know and spend a little more time on what you don’t know.”

  220. a new way to lower the deficit……



    Martin Luther King’s last speech


  222. Phony Family Values crowd. Well considering this grouping, we can absolutely say it is not the Liberal party to which you speak. They are very upfront about not having any family values, other than those that indenture people to their cause. ‘

    Gi-Jo-Gina, you really should put other people’s writing into quotes and stop stealing their works as your own.

    To once again prove to Alaskapie the Liberal Party is the party of hate I present the following from this article. Note the quotes Gi-Jo-Gina.

    “Iowa means nothing. The real world doesn’t think like Iowans.”

    There is just no need for talk like this, yes Liberals do anyway. Once any group, or any people no longer serve THEIR purpose, they get thrown under the bus. How Telling.

    And another quote:
    “And I am starting to get the feeling a lot of Republicans are joining the real world by rejecting those who keep pounding away at the need for purity to the far-right values dogma. It’s almost enough to make my toes tingle.”

    Its nice to know that this hack and Gi-Jo-Gina used hard evidence, facts to the layperson, to prove their case, like feelings, and toe tingles. Just more hack work. This is funny as hell. This is the best you got? Toe tingles? Really?

    Alaskapie…..told ya so!

  223. One Tribe y’all <3…

  224. Google: SANTORUM; KEEP FROTHY #1


    Amid all the gibberish and lies and whining about unfair ads, I have found one thing very refreshing about the Republicans’ attempt to run somebody against President Obama.

    It seems Republicans themselves are apparently getting sick of religious conservatives and the bedroom police who have held too much sway in their party.

    Yep, the candidates who piously claim they appeal to “values voters” are on the outs.

    Oh, there is still room for the phony family-values crowd, which in reality is the intolerant crowd. In upcoming primaries, they will get a minuscule portion of the vote. Big deal. Herman Cain probably still gets a few votes somewhere.


  225. Turkey Day…check
    Jesus Day….check
    GOP Hopefuls….check
    MLK Day post….? Just sayin.

  226. I picture Gi-Jo-Gina with a white pillow case and a pitchfork going on another witch hunt.

  227. I HAVE A DREAM : The speech by Dr. Martin Luther King

    We now must fight to keep minorities from being thrown off the voter rolls because of a Republican ideology.

  228. The right to vote was a sacred honor according to Martin Luther King


    The videos are quite damning for what OKeefe and his buddies did. They better have good lawyers and a forgiving (Repbublican) judge.

    OKeefe deserves jail time in my mind. The chalk fellow is back to chalking up Orlando and is ready to go back to jail for his cause. OKeefe has been immunized from jail because of FOX, including OReilly, in my mind.

    Citizen s United made it worse. Now, anyone can throw in money anonymously and any amount. It was bad enough before but it is off the charts now. It is only the poor schmucks like the middle class who have to declare who they are, what job they do, etc. Anyone can say anything and we will not know who funded it – pretty sad.

  229. James OKeefe is also on three years probation. That could hurt him more than any possible charges.

  230. They aren’t guilty until or unless they are convicted. What is the difference between what they did and what Justice Department people did with Fast and Furious? That was supposed to be a sting too.

    I already read about the man in jail for three weeks. It sounds harsh, but it could have happened in other cities with anti-graffiti laws.Someone wanted to make an example of him.

    Stephen Colbert is right, but not because of Citizens United. It has been true since Hector was a pup.

  231. If they signed another persons name to get the ballot they are guilty of voter fraud. During sentencing, the judge can consider a lighter sentence because they did not fill in the ballot.

    Stephen Colbert says: “The more money you have, the more you can speak” and he is correct because of Citizens United.


  232. OKeefe and his group knowingly and willfully signed the names of another person to get access to a ballot. That is a crime. That is voter fraud.

    There had been one instance in 10 years of voter fraud in New Hampshire.
    12 more incidents just took place because of OKeefe and friends which increased Voter Fraud by 1200%

    BTW:: People can also get fraudulent Identifications.

    What is going on now is a simple attempt to disenfranchise the poorest and minorities from voting.

    Here is the story about the man arrested for 3 weeks for writing anti Wall Street messages on the sidewalk with chalk


  233. James Okeefes’ sting was more in the order of the Justice Department”s disasterous Fast and Furious sting, except that hundreds of people died. By your logic, one could say officials responsible for it were murderers.

  234. James OKeefe did’nt increase voter fraud by 1200% because his group did not intend to actually vote. They demonstrated how easy it is to commit voter fraud. His legal liability, if any is yet to be determined. The courts will decide if Okeefe and his fellows committed a crime. At least you didn’t jump to conclusions and declare him a felon as you did last time.

  235. Oh, me! Like I said once before, Perry is an insult to six year olds. Yes, the Administration and the Marine Corps commandant are correct. As for Perry, yes, there is a difference between Marines and Klingons and the USMC commandant is making that abundantly clear. Rickie, sugar, do you wanna get on the commandant’s case about being anti-military? Good luck!

  236. Voter Fraud increased by 1200% because of James OKeefe. A OWS fellow got 3 weeks in jail for writing anti-wall street messages in chalk in Orlando. Will OKeefe get off scot free? As soon as he or his fellows picked up the ballots using another persons name, they committed a crime.


  237. Ron Paul is like Pluto. He fits the definition but he is also something else–libertarian. His son Rand asked him not to run as an independent. Time will tell.

  238. Paul is considered a Republican? Just wondering. Think he will run independent soon.

    Sunday funnies:


  239. Its nice to now that a Republican is for the working girls…..
    Liberals want it for nothing…..
    wipe your chin JJ…..

  240. ” Rep. Ron Paul can count on support from some members of the world’s oldest profession as he campaigns for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.”

    Paraphrasing William F. Buckley, Jr., I’d rather have their endorsement than that of the faculty at Harvard.

  241. Ron Paul just got a new endorsement in Nevada.

    Rep. Ron Paul can count on support from some members of the world’s oldest profession as he campaigns for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

    Prostitutes at the Moonlite Bunny Ranch, a legal brothel outside Carson City, Nevada, have launched a “Pimping for Paul” campaign for the Texas libertarian, who backs their right to earn a living as working girls.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ron-paul-wins-nevada-prostitutes-support-2012-republican-presidential-campaign-article-1.1006316#ixzz1jYLnILkY

  242. A Rick Perry Update from JuanitaJean

    Rick Perry: We Wizz On Everything in Texas. Why, I Got Real Drunk And Wizzed On a Homecoming Queen Once
    January 15, 2012

    Rick Perry does not see much wrong with United States Marines, the cream of our crop, wizzing on corpses.

    That’s because Rick Perry wizzes on everything – taxpayers, school children, women in need of health care, property owners, cute little puppies, your lunch when you look the other way, Laura’s flowers in the backyard, Ron Paul’s paper sack of gold he carries everythwere …. you name it, Rick has wizzed on it or is sincerely looking forward to doing so.

    Well, except the Gov Shack when it was on fire. He wouldn’t wizz on that because he’d had his eye on a $10,000 a month mansion in a gated community with a swimming pool … that he could wizz in.

    In fact, that’s the entire Republican economic plan: wizz on it.

    In Texas, using a toilet is for sissies. And men who are too dumb to remember up or down.

    Rick Perry: making Texas Wizz Proud!


  243. The formerly Stephen Colbert Super Pac which is now run by Jon Stewart runs its first ad in South Carolina.

    Mitt Romney is a serial killer.


  244. Poor Newt: Bumbling along in SC. Santorum was there to take over the Microphone in one instance. Newt is giving the race away.

    Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich was greeted with a standing ovation when he was announced at a barbecue.
    Too bad the former House speaker wasn’t around to see it.
    He was inexplicably missing, and his absence forced the event’s moderator to ask awkwardly, “Can we check and see where the speaker is?”
    It was just one in a string of clumsy, head-scratching events staged by the Gingrich campaign since the Republican primary moved to South Carolina, a state that the candidate says he must win if he wants a shot at the nomination.
    The chain of slip-ups raises questions about the campaign’s staffing and organizational skills, issues that have haunted Gingrich during the 2012 race.

    Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/where-s-newt-sc-campaign-stumbles-plague-gingrich/article_380a6fee-c782-50e3-88eb-e67592270960.html#ixzz1jYBwdWqo

  245. Yes, Alaskapi, I can imagine dampness is a problem when the permafrost melts. Its bad enough around here in some springs if the frost level is a few feet down. Spring melting and rain have no place to go, and the surface is sodden.

    Some people have built homes of straw bales with external covering. Straw is a good insulator. My ancestors used it to insulate their ice houses. Our neighbor built a log home for over $300,000. It has solar panels and other heat efficient features.

    I have the same lake problem as you. Anything larger than a few hundred square feet graduates from pond to lake around here too. The trails were nice too. I hope someday to hike on them when the leaves change. I also liked the blue water on the beaches and the rural feel to parts of the state. The accent was interesting too.

    I didn’t read Cynthia’s comments until now. I agree, alternative energy was one of the few good things Carter did. We lived in Great Bardfield, Essex. The bus stop was outside our door. Nine miles away was a train station where we bought tickets for anywhere in the country. We also walked five to ten miles to visit towns like Braintree when we felt like it. Everyone walked, but one could call a cab, even in our rural area. . My wife and I didn’t even own a car for our first year there. Our little four cylinder car was like a riding mower with seats, but it took us from one end of the UK to the other.

    Another thing I learned was that occupational groups of different countries often have more in common than their own countrymen. A Brazilian farmer and I for example could carry on a much longer conversation than an American insurance sales person or grocer.


    I read everything I put up actually and I agree with it.

    WHERE ARE THE LIES? You cannot bring up specifics because I am correct in my information. You never did say what Gina means? Now I have to really think about whether it is worth getting mad – probably not.

    I will go back to ignoring you. You really are an idiot though.


  247. Gi-Jo-Gina…sorry I seriously overestimated you. I should probably have understood going in you don’t actually read the stuff you vomit on here, like your last identity suggested, you just repost the information from other sources. None of it is your original thoughts so of course you would not make the obvious connecting to your pages and pages of insistence that the Republicans were the evil rich and the 1%…when indeed it is the Democrats who fit that profile. Same can be said for your stance on improving the registration and the voting process.


    Hey Frothy Anonymous: What does Gina mean?
    I figured out the Gi and the Jo but still need the Gina.
    Still trying to work up the mad in me – need help here.



    ANON: QUIT BEING AN IDIOT! I want to know what incorrect information I am putting out. What did I put out that is wrong? I have no need to critique your crap. YOU ARE MUCH SMARTER THAN I – you certainly don’t need my input. You have such a vast following – you don’t need me. HERE IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO STRAIGHTEN ME OUT ON MY LIES!!

    Fracking waste too radioactive for landfills
    by TXSHARON on JANUARY 14, 2012
    This is only news to those of you who have been hiding under a rock for the past decade. But, if this is the first time you’ve heard it, we are so glad you are here.

    Oilfield wastewater filters rejected at landfills for radioactivity

    We’ve been here before. By now you should know that drilling waste is radioactive. And let me explain something: Industry likes to call this radioactive waste Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material. WORDS ARE IMPORTANT! Repeat that: WORDS ARE IMPORTANT! See how they call it “naturally occurring.” They will argue endlessly about how even your wristwatch contains naturally occurring…

    It is ONLY naturally occurring when it is deep in the earth. When they bring it up to the surface, it is highly concentrated radioactive waste that has a 1622 year half-life.


  250. On the Uber Rich.
    By: Anonymous on January 13, 2012
    at 10:23 AM

    By: Anonymous on January 13, 2012
    at 10:15 AM

    Voter Fraud and the need for photo ID

    By: Anonymous on January 13, 2012
    at 12:19 PM


    What is the date/time Anon. Anything past today is hard for me. Remember – You are VERY SMART. I am just a piker, not smart like you. I am kind in a new sphere at this time.

    I need to make more popcorn. New results are in on another poll:

    Ron Paul won a very listless Texas Tea Party straw poll, with 27.9% of 707 in-person votes cast, conducted today at Houston’s Minute Maid Park.

    Newt Gingrich was second with 23.8%. Rick Santorum, the choice of the College of Protestant Cardinals meeting today in the Sistine Chapel at a cattle ranch in Brenham, was third at 21.2%. Rick Perry finished just out of the money in 4th place with 19.4%. Presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney was well back of the pack at 6.6% and Jon Huntsman finished next-to-last at 1.1%, ahead of my selection, Buddy Roemer, who had 0.0.

    Paul was even more popular with the 3,332 text voters at 54.4%. The rest of the field changed positions somewhat…

    Rick Santorum 15.6%
    Rick Perry 13.3%
    Newt Gingrich 11.9%
    Mitt Romney 4.2%
    Jon Huntsman 0.5%
    “Buddy” Roemer 0.0%

    MITT IS NOT POLLING THAT WELL!!! Oh Boy, this might be interesting.


  252. Lets start a day or so back with the information about who the Uber rich 1%’ers are. The Democrat party.


    Anon: Gi – because I was in the Army, Jo because I go by JuneauJoe
    What does Gina stand for? Just wondering – When I get mad, it would help to know why I am supposed to be mad. Thanks
    YOU STILL HAVEN’T TOLD ME OF THE MISINFORMATION I AM PUTTING OUT? How am I supposed to get smart like you if you don’t tell me where and when I am telling lies. BTW: THANKS for responding. it gives me a reason to put up a new post. I have a backlog that I want to get on here.

    That Romney film, even with inaccuracies is taking off like wildfire. Gee – that happens to be Republicans putting out information. It is good to get it corrected before President Obama catches wind of it.



  254. Gi-Jo-Gina, why yes I am referring to you. It is a reference to your imaginings as a soldier of fortune, or do you prefer I go back to I Repost? BTW Love your amateur webpages you link as your evidence. Makes proving you a nut case all too easy.

  255. Gi-Jo-Gina, love it! Thanks!


    ANON: When you say Gi-Jo-Gina, are you referring to me? Dang it just hit me that I am supposed to be upset. Sorry about that. You and I are facts guys for sure. If you are upset because my facts are wrong, please let me know. If I am wrong – I may owe you an apology. Sorry for not realizing that you were making fun of me. I must not be as smart as you.

    Facts: Voter Fraud in New Hampshire – The real story.



  257. Gi-Jo-Gina, you have no morals, no ethics. You take no responsibility for what you post and you have often posted things you know are untrue. You are just here to exploit this website to drive hits to another. You are a joke, the fact you haven’t realized this makes it that much more laughable. By all means keep doing as you do, anyone reading this page will question why they ever though they could trust a Liberal.

  258. Google SANTORUM; KEEP FROTHY #1

    I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but the evangelicals meeting in Texas endorsed Rick Santorum.

    A week before the South Carolina primaries, more than 150 conservative evangelical leaders met in Texas and voted to throw their weight behind former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum. The endorsement, which will likely come with grassroots support and fundraising assistance, marks a last-minute effort to help a socially conservative candidate dethrone current frontrunner Mitt Romney.

    Note to Rick Perry: They were meeting in your state, pretty darned close to the university you attended, looking for an evangelical like the kind that prays in football stadiums, who is conservative, who is a Washington outsider, and isn’t overly concerned about man on dog hoochy-koochy.

    For you to lose out to Rick Santorum means that (1) they think you’re dumber than bean dip, or (2) they believe Glen Maxey’s book.

    Personally, I think it’s both. Pack it up, Perry, you’re coming home, son.


    I thought our Right Wing Frothy Troll would give us this late breaking news but since he did not, I guess Juanitajean and I have to. I thought he was here to give us the facts.


  259. Who would have thought…exercise in a pill


  260. The Quinhagak prototype is loosely based on those old sod houses. In a lot of places now permafrost is not so perma anymore so dampness is a real problem.
    It was only a couple generations ago that those old sod houses were abandoned for above ground box houses. The box houses have done very poorly in the far north- esp. on the coast.
    I lkied Maine a lot too. The battles to keep working waterfront for fishing and lobstermen in the Portland area fascinated me
    I did find a couple things kinda weird though-esp. the tendency to call every large body of water except the ocean a pond. I don’t know if it’s a homegrown way of understating things or whether we in the west are fussier about distinctions about such things. We went on a number of fall colors walks and drives on one trip and everywhere had a Something -Pond. Many of which you could barely see all the way across or couldn’t because they were so big. We call em lakes , they call em ponds. The trails were all clean too and the best cup of coffee and homemade donut I ever had in my life was at a podunk lil diner near one of those ponds.

  261. I hope it works Alaskapi. The effort should be publicized. I wonder if painting highways and roofs white would be worth the trouble. Maybe it would knock a degree or two from summer heat.

    Post and probably ice age people sometimes built homes and buildings partly under ground to to protect themselves from harsh winds. Has the CCHRC experimented with anything like that?

    I love Maine. I hope to see it when the leaves are changing.

  262. James- affordability is one of the prime criterion for choosing a design at CCHRC.

    “The Sustainable Northern Shelter program was initiated in 2008 to address the need for sustainable rural housing in northern climates. CCHRC designers work with local residents and housing authorities to develop homes that reflect the culture, environment, and local resources of individual communities. The designs emphasize energy efficiency, affordability, and durability.

    CCHRC has developed several prototype homes that can be easily and affordably reproduced throughout communities to provide much-needed housing. The program, which started with an experimental house made out of spray foam in Anaktuvuk Pass, has grown to encompass more than a dozen villages throughout Alaska.”


    From the Quinhagak project page:
    “A local three-man construction crew worked with two CCHRC instructors to build the prototype in six weeks. The building can be constructed without heavy equipment (which is important in remote villages) and the materials were chosen for simplicity and ease of shipping.”

    I don’t have any idea what kind of design would be best for your area but sure hope folks like CCHRC are working on ideas- including the affordability part.

    Cynthia- your German experience mirrors things folks I know have said about the realities of and possibilities for rural areas to stay viable.
    Have to say that visits to many southern Maine beaches during visits to family there has left me with respect for Maine I don’t have for plenty here at home.
    About the 6th spotless beach I was on I finally asked where the public trash cans were- DIL says “we don’t need them- everyone carries all their stuff out ”
    Go Maine!

  263. The information sounds good. Most people around here wouldn’t be able to afford the new houses you describe, but if they or the government could help with tax breaks we’d be better off than we are now.

    I have another reason for removing less coal and oil than we do. Scientists have found a large buried city 12,000 years old near Sanliurfa, Turkey. It is older than anything previously known. Wouldn’t it be terrible if we depleted most of the carbon fuel and a future civilization was left high and dry?

    Here is how the Sami dealt with a Norwegian power plant and dam which would have destroyed a town, salmon fisheries, and reindeer habitat. They protested and filed an injunction against the Norwegian government.

    Activists sat in front of the machines. A thousand camped outside the Houses of Parliament, and staged a hunger strike. More than a thousand more chained themselves to the construction machines. Others committed sabatage. At one time, a tenth of the Norweigan police force was stationed near the Alta power plant.

    The police arrested as many protesters as they could and the courts charged them with rioting. Central Sami organizations disavowed all cooperation with the government.

    The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the government and organized protests ceased. If you are interested, google MARIE BOINE on the ban of joik. The protests provided a spark which changed the Sami and their relationship with the Scandinavian governments.

    I wish those people would have been able to do what the Sami did. At least, they would have won national attention. I know the circumstances were different, but I am inordinately proud of my cousins.

  264. I forgot to add this. I live in a rural area also. There was once buses and trains that would take you to the two cities on either side of here. But no more.

    When we were in Germany recently we traveled by bus and train. The area was not heavily populated but when we need to get to Munich airport there was a bus at 4:30 to get us to the train which was located 45 minutes away. The trains run often enough that there was no problem. The trains were spotless and each car had a bathroom and a section for bikes and strollers. We were on a platform filled with people and tracks on either side. A freight train came through going at least 60-70 mph, so fast you could not count the cars. I almost wet my pants it scared me so. But no one else paid any attention to it. We could make far better use of mass transportation in those areas where it is practical but we don’t. The other thing I noticed so many houses had solar panels on their roofs. Also the house we stayed in had “hot water on demand”. There are many things we could do to reduce our need for energy. Many things can be said about Carter but if we had listened to him on energy we would be better off today I believe.

    There were plenty of taxis, Mercedes-Benz, and the drivers were all former NASCAR drivers! Crossing the road was a dangerous event and only done if absolutely necessary!

    The other thing I noticed there was little litter especially in the more populated areas. I saw a woman with one in a stroller and a 3 or 4 year old. He had a bag of something like cheerios which he had managed to spill in an area 7’x8’. She swept them up with napkins or such until there was nothing left on the cobblestones. I don’t think it would happen here.


  265. alaskapi – I totally agree! You have said just about everything. But will add we are a spoiled bunch of people and will not make change until we have no other choice.

    I read this recently:

    Failing to prepare, is preparing to fail!


  266. EXXON drug it all out in court for so many years so many of those who were harmed had died when it was finally settled.
    Here’s the timeline -only through ’98- mostly of the portion regarding state and federal suits.



    Civil suit litigation was settled, sorta, very recently.
    One of SP”s boo-boos was not being able to name Supreme Court cases, remember? EXXON was in the Supreme Court in 2007 arguing that the levy against them under federal Maritime law was wrong/unfair/too much/blah, blah.,blah. She missed that I guess.
    They still didn’t want to pay the last of it all.

  267. James- the distances in rural America make a lot of what needs to change very difficult and will continue to do so unless you and I work harder to break the strangle hold the metropolitan majority has on too many things.

    This is one we’re watching here
    (along with CCHRC’s other projects):


    1st year after completion report:

    Research Results
    CCHRC partnered with the National Renewable Energy
    Laboratory (NREL) to study the heating demand, electrical
    use, and indoor air quality of the prototype.
    • Monitoring revealed that the Quinhagak prototype had
    healthy indoor air based on the humidity and CO2 levels.
    • The house consumed only 171 gallons of heating fuel in
    the fi rst year, an 80% improvement over the 880 gallons
    a year that the average rural house uses (AHFC, 2009).
    • It used about half as much electricity (an average of
    350 kWh/month)as the average


  268. Exxon should have been forced to pay as BP did. Easy for me to write since I don’t know the political mood up there at the time.

  269. So far, we have no viable alternatives. People around here often drive 80 to 120 miles to get to and from work every day.

    Farming and trucking are energy intensive businesses, and the last time gas prices approached $5.00 a gallon, some truckers nearly went out of business. Restaurants and similar businesses suffered too.

    Though the government aids the poor, too many who can’t afford to heat their homes strains our local government. In the past, we have had to help friends who ran short.Some people have converted to burning wood.

    We own a 100-year old Sears Roebuck house. It is well-insulated and so many trees grow around it they help cool it in summer. We open the windows at night and shut them in the morning to keep the cool air in. When it is 100 outside our indoor temperature is about 79. We run fans.

    In winter, we keep the temperature about 65 because we got used to chilly interior temperatures when we lived in England. Much of the local grain is turned into ethanol, and wind farms are numerous. They, however require oil powered back up. Two nuclear power plants are near the river south of us.

    There is not much more we can do, and developing countries have it much worse than we.

  270. I find this interestng:
    At least Exxon was brilliant; It slimes the property with oil, then buys it cheap because it has oil on it.
    When the salmon were poisoned and the herring fled, it just about finished Cordova. There are no roads in or out. The only game in town is fishing and that was kaput. Exxon blamed mother nature for killing the herring; the mayor blamed Exxon in his suicide note (35 people committed suicide.) The only secure job in town was in repossessing fishing boats.

    I find it interesting that Pres Carter put solar panels on the White House and President Reagan took them down as soon has he became President. I think that says a lot for our desire to push alternative energies.

    Google: Spreading Romney

  271. Well, Cynthia- with our experience here as an indicator , I would urge folks, yet again, to study up on the Keystone thing very carefully .
    And I would urge folks to use high fuel prices, be it big oil induced or not, to look at alternatives. Whatever takes the place of oil is not likely to be a single thing and most of you live on big interties for power and natural gas and all, so it will be somewhat messy in adapting infrastructure to accomodate it.
    Here, we live in isolated areas and away from Anchorage and the valley, there aren’t roads or pipelines or transmission lines in from elsewhere. We are on our own in ways which add a lot of cost but have also resulted in some good innovations in climate specific housing design ( how many $$s do people spend cooling themselves elsewhere when getting away from cookie cutter housing and using passive methods of cooling like orientation to prevailing breezes, reflective roofing, and the like could reduce costs without huge shifts in infrastructure? )
    and multiple energy source power supplies.


  272. I envy you Cynthia.

    I wish you could send some of that mess to us. I’d help pay the freight. Send it to the Missouri River valley on the Iowa-Nebraska border. If people knew I was asking, mobs with pitchforks would be outside my door, and one would be my wife.

    Your storm was just organizing when it gave us .5 inch and 50 MPH wind gusts.I skied in such a marginal condition because by this winter’s standards, it was a big storm.

    Kidding aside, I hope conditions improve for you soon.

  273. THE EYAK NATIVES gave Alyeska Valdez for $1.00 as long as Alyeska promised that the subsistence way of life will not be harmed. They only made one containment vessel but didn’t maintain it. They broke every agreement made in relation to protecting the environment and being ready for a spill.

    When the spill happened they got fined but kept going to court to get the fine smaller and smaller.

    Alyeska and BIg Oil in general, is out for the money – to hell with the people.
    Stop alternative energies too – keep people addicted to oil. We are not to talk about higher MPG to save oil either.

    I was in a village where it was routinely 30 below and the fuel oil and gas was 6.50 a gallon four years ago.


  274. On my liberal talk radio show, of course, there was a discussion about this very subject of the Keystone pipe line. Coal tar is very toxic to refine and there is a known path of illness/cancer down wind of the refinerys in Texas. The third largest export of the US is fuel oil and petrolium products. Bring the pipeline down to Texas allows for the finished product to be easily shipped out to South America etc. It will not bring down the price of oil/gas in the US for a number of years to come. The oil corporations want the price of gas to remain high in the US.

    Soooo…we the tax payer pays for building and maintaining the pipe line, cleaning up the possible oil spills and the oil company makes the profit? Is that how it works?

    You can believe this opinion or not. But it is something to consider. Is it worth poluting/distruction of a path from top to bottom of the US so the oil companies can make more money?

    PS – my last delivery I paid $552.78 for 150 gallons of heating fuel.

    James – send me your address and I will be glad to send you this white sh*t that was dumped on us. Unfortunately it rained heavily before turning to snow. There is deep wet mud underneath and deadly to walk on in the turnout. The roads are iced under the snow. Great fun!


  275. yes, JuneauJoe- the Alyeska consortium has a sterling history doesn’t it?
    They just lost a case in court over their BS about the life of the pipeline, etc.
    These same folks have been under federal scrutiny, on probation, the whole nine yards, for years because of their NOT necessary cost cutting on maintenance of the pipeline which contributed to, caused and otherwise made possible some very bad spills across the Interior.
    The State has been asleep at the switch on oversight too often, too long too. The tendency to believe those oily SOBs has bitten us in the butt over and over.

  276. I agree we need to find a substitute, but that day is not yet here. Economics is a cruel taskmaster.

  277. Juneau Joe, if you don’t like Big Oil’s product, buy a horse.

  278. UAW- fuel oil prices here are that higher and much higher. I have friends who , some winters, have to snowmachine down river 20 miles every week or so and carry back as much as they can on a sled attachment and pay upwards of $8/gal.
    Those are the winters fishing isn’t good enough for them to fill tanks at their place in the fall after the season – provided barges can make it up river anyway.
    Watch out for that pipeline thing though. Find out as much as you can about what it might or might not do for prices in your area and the other nearby states. It sounds like the same damn old crap which got us in the mess we’re in here.
    It’s all sold away from here. We don’t get it here. Have to send it out and get it back for the most part at big cost.
    Flint Hills Refinery takes some heat off costs in a small portion of the Interior but has such a long history of spills and all that I wonder if its worth it either. The plumes underground radiating away from Flint Hills have contaminated well water in some areas such that not only do folks drink shipped in bottled water but they now are told not to water their farms/gardens from their wells- in one of the 2 places here where local agriculture has a chance to offset food price problems.
    We pay one way or the other. I think we need to work hard to get ourselves off the damn stuff and while we still use it, we need to be very wary of any big hot plans to exploit it.
    The EXXON-Valdez spill aftermath is still felt here- still causes problems. It was considerably further south than the Chukchi and was a tanker not a platform rig.
    I don’t trust any of those SOBs- its about bucks for them , nothing else, no matter what their fancy prospectus’ say.
    Coal here is as bad or worse. I don’t want to get started on that one…

  279. Thom Hartman is a progressive and as unbiased as Glenn Beck is. Find another survey.

    I like both versions, delurker. Its one of my favorite songs. They and Bob Dylan sang about oppression they heard about.The song was not about their ancestors.

    Sofia Karlsson:Jeg Vanter sang about oppression her people lived through and the discrimination they still face. Some were enslaved and those who refused to forsake their shamanistic religion were burned alive. That’s why though I love both versions of Blowing in the Wind, I like this one better, because it is more personal. Plus, she slipped part of a shamistic prayer in her song.

    YES !!

    Stephen. As for the rest of your questions, none of your business.


    The oil companies promised to have 2 containment barges ready to go at all times. ONE BARGE WAS TO BE AT BLIGH ISLAND – WHERE THE SPILL HAPPENED. The ships were to have the latest naviagation equipment. They hired natives to man to be ready to contain any spills. After a few years, the oil companies fired the native containment crews. The oil companies chose not to invest in double hulled ships.

    When the Exxon-Valdez oil spill occurred – there was no containment barge, the navigation equipment did not work even though it was against the law according to the agreements signed. The natives had to beg to get paid for cleaning rocks for a few months and their way of life was destroyed along with their health.

    We can trust BIG OIL to do right for us.


  281. sorry Alaskapi….
    just tweaking JJ.about his comment about all the spills and why we shouldn’t run a pipeline…..
    my home and my mother’s home are both heated with fuel oil…..last delivery here was $3.44/gal including tax

  282. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/controversial-movie-director-spike-lee-hosts-fundraiser-for-obama-tickets-run-35800-per-person/

    Because the party of the people. the 1%’ers can afford a $35,800 a plate dinner. right?

  283. “where’s the enviromentalists….”
    careful there, UAW.
    One of the biggest reasons folks are watching this as closely as they are is because of the federal oil leases which are poised to be exploited by Shell Oil in the Chukchi Sea not far north of Nome


    The concern that there is only one icebreaker- the Healy, now in Nome, – in the Arctic and no one has a frickin clue about what could happen if there was a bad spill in the far north away from ways to clean up or stop oil in the Arctic ice is a daily argument here.
    Environmentalists of many many stripes are watching the Nome fuel deal- including the good fishermen of Nome.

  284. GOOGLE : SPREADING ROMNEY then Romney

    In this segment with Neil Cavuto, Friess goes on about how Rick Santorum is such a blue-collar, down to earth guy, and is a Reaganesque figure. This is somewhat contradictory to Santorum’s actual background. He grew up in the suburbs and was raised by a nurse and a psychologist who worked for the Veterans Administration. He went to college, got involved in politics and never worked a blue collar job in his life that I can find.

    It appears to me that Santorum has managed to live a life where wealthy patrons financed his political rise (and fall), and after he left office, he went to very blue collar jobs as a Fox News commentator and lawyer.
    SANTORUM IS THE BLUE COLLAR CANDIDATE? No Contraception is very blue collar after all.



  285. Nope…feel great…..

  286. Poor Gi-Jo-Gina…he is still living in a time-warp….wonder if he would stroke out on us if he discovered Bush wasn’t President anymore. Got a little froth on your flavor-saver mustache.

  287. Got a headache today, UAW?

  288. Thom Hartmann reviews GW Bush Voter Fraud studies and also reviews Republican Election Fraud which is rampant.

  289. Unlike Bush’s ‘Google Bomb,’ Google Quickly Defuses Obama’s

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,485632,00.html#ixzz1jT48acmW

    does google play politics????

  290. I like Alanis on the harmonica in the one above but have a soft spot for Bruce.

  291. Have y’all hit bottom yet? I suppose not.

    Somehow all this ____ing in the wind made me think of this.

  292. everyones getting in on it….

  293. I can honestly say that i googled “roof mounted dog carriers” and didn’t find anything…..
    lots of people transport them in the back of a pickup (with or without a kennel)but I’ve never seen one on the roof of a car……..


    JON STEWART and Wyatt Cenac on NEWT (The 2nd video)
    WHAT: Newt has a racist streak in him?



  295. Listen to this video. You will not believe what you hear. Anyone of you big government people want to defend this? Oh and thanks OWS people.


  296. Mrs. Philpot,

    Previous we, the “Data Diggers” put up questions for your readers to answer if they are so inclined. This one has to do with economics. In order to forestall another recession or depression:

    1. Should bank regulators, either internally, governmentally or both, require liquidity be factored into financial risk models even if it means a diminution of investor dividends? Yes. No. Don’t know.

    2. Age category: 20-30; 30-40; 40-50; 50-60; 60-70; 70-80; 80+.

    3. Gender.

    4. General geographic area of your residence within the U. S.:
    Deep South; East; Far-West; Mid-West; West.

    5. Country other than the U. S.

    Thank you,



    Farsight: Those were great links. Thanks Ignore the Troll – let the facts speak for themselves.


    Santorum has a Billion dollar backer now.


  298. The economy being the way it is, jobs and unemployment, all the things we have going on, and you are worried about some mans dog. Party of the people my ass.

  299. This is a great Senator of an even greater state. WA doesn’t appear to have it’s head inserted like many other States.

    Patty Murray:

    “I am proud of the Washington legislature for taking this step toward equality for gay and lesbian families. I support this important effort and look forward to its passage.”

  300. Excuse me… Birther Troll

  301. You are quite funny Troll!


    I like the way Bill Maher said it in New Rules: Non Romney is a bigger asshole than Romney. NEW RULES IS BACK!!!


    FARSIGHT: I am with you. The dog on top was bad. The untold part of taking the car through a car wash instead of washing the crap off the dog even makes it worse.

    Popcorn in the morning is pretty good actually.


  303. There is a 19 minute video of Rachel Maddow on Romney’s dog incident and the reason someone created the site I linked to in my last post:


  304. It really is a shame we have people like Gi-Jo-Gina, Farsight Δ, and other Liberals that cannot let the process do what it is supposed to do without having to deal in this lowest form of discourse. With people like these guys it is no wonder why the rest of the world looks at us and laughs.

  305. Gi-Jo-Gina, your delusional, and I am happy for it. Your lies and deceit will have your Liberal friends let their guard down, and we are going to walk all over your sorry asses. Gentlemen s bet $20 we win the election for President, you in?

    I read today Obama said if the debt ceiling was not raised, he could not guarantee social security checks would be payed out. Why is it he attacks the people who need the money most? Why does he not tell congress that their paychecks are on the line, or his paycheck?

  306. You may wish to go to:


    Anybody who does with his dog what he did deserves it!


    congressional Republicans are hurting the GOP brand, the party’s 2012 presidential candidates may be making things even worse. By a margin of 53%-38% respondents said the more they watch the GOP nomination, the less they like what the Republican Party has to offer. Frontrunner Mitt Romney is not personally popular with Republicans or Independents. Only 31% of Republicans and 27% of Independents had warm feelings for Romney. Republicans are cold on Romney, and they are ready to bolt to a third party candidate.

    18%-25% of Republicans and Republican leaners surveyed said that they would vote for a conservative third party candidate, and if that candidate was Ron Paul, Romney’s general election support would collapse.


    GOT TO SAY: I am enjoying watching the self-destruction of the Republican Party. You guys are doing it to yourselves. I just made another batch of popcorn.


  308. Gi-Jo-Gina is just being true to his Liberal roots. I prove his party is the corporate cronies and that they are the true 1%, and he changes topics. Same with Simon, show all this voter fraud, even video evidence, silence/topic change. And no its not about me, its about the truth. Video doesn’t lie. All the facts are sourced and easily verifiable. The problem is the Left doesn’t want or care for the truth, only their truth. The rest is dealt with by attacking the messenger or discrediting the source, and the facts go ignored. Keep this fact in mind as you continue to read from your Liberal posters, you will see it repeat itself over and over again.

  309. where’s the enviromentalists….stop the pipeline(hoseline)….
    “but first it must position itself near the Alaska town’s iced-in harbor to send that cargo through a mile-long hose without a spill.”


  310. WTF…JJ…

    what does their “willingness to vote for a third party conservative candidate.” have to do with voting for Obama….It could happen that no one gets the 270 electoral votes needed…..

  311. Nebraska and company economists predicted the pipe line would create 20,000 construction and other jobs in the US and Canada. True, they would be temporary, but the pay checks would indirectly help other activity. Even if a Cornell study that only 2,500 local construction jobs would last for two years is right, that is still significant for our low populated area. Local and federal governments still collect income taxes from temp workers.

    The Canadian company is planning an alternative route east of the Ogalalla Aquifer. The flood caused an oil and a natural gas leak in Montana and near our farm. As far as I know, there was no lasting damage. The gain is worth the risk.

    The pipeline is not a jobs program. It will benefit our economy with about 4% of our daily oil usage’s coming from a friendly neighbor. It will not all go to China. Some oil might be exported, but in an emergency we would likely be able to buy all of the oil from Canada.

  312. On further thought JJ its nice to know that if the liberals try to bring up Bain Capital that you’ll demand the same amount of truthfulness…..OH…. thats right…..


    Republicans are in trouble! Recent polling shows Independents trending to President Obama and Democratic ticket in 2012. Seems many are being turned off by the craziness of the right wing. (I see it on this blog)


    The ultimate representation of Republican voter dissatisfaction is their willingness to vote for a third party conservative candidate. The GOP has become an unpopular party that is seriously in danger of fracturing. Add into this equation an incumbent president who is personally popular and gaining positive momentum in the polls, and the result is the potential for a disastrous defeat.

    It is possible, even without the presence of an Independent conservative third party candidate that Democrats take back the House, keep the Senate, and win the White House.

    The pieces are starting to fall into place for what looked like an impossible scenario after the 2010 election to become a reality in 2012.

  314. Newtzpah….old news JJ…..and Newt didn’t like it either….

    1 o’clock yesterday….


  315. Let us not forget the Bush inherited a recession from Cigar up my intern Clinton. And somehow managed to have some impressive job growth in his first and second term.

    Gi-Jo-Gina, So you think we should shut down all oil production because of an accident? You going to walk to work? Tell us some more lies and faery tales.


    Bill Maher is back!!!! This is GREAT!!


    If we were serious about the cost of fuel:
    -we would have increased the MPG required of cars. (Republicans do not like this idea)
    -Give big tax credits for people to solar and/or wind on houses to cut the need for oil (like Europe)

    SEEMS TO ME, I REMEMBER AN OIL BLOW OUT IN THE GULF OF MEXICO INVOLVING BP! Should ruining the environment be a concern?


  317. “The pipeline would only create about 200 permanent jobs after it is built,”
    JJ….. did you forget about the old working person…….
    We need a paycheck president…..

  318. Juneau Joe is repeating falsehoods. Presidents don’t create private sector jobs. They may create conditions which encourage or discourage the economy, but they don’t create private jobs.

    Another falsehood which we have proven wrong is that the Bush economy was worse that the Obama economy. Its true an inherited recession near the beginning and the crash near the end were bad, but more normal conditions between were better than now. The Bush era unemployment rate was as low as 4.5%. Our Obama administration would be dancing in the streets if official numbers fell to 6%. Our current unemployment rate would have been higher during the Bush administration because so many people have left the work force and the unemployed are part of a smaller group. .

    I agree about the credit crisis, but who is in charge now? Certainly not Bush or Republican candidates.

    Yes, the price of oil is a drain on the economy, so why is the Keystone pipe line on hold? So Obama can keep his job. That’s what matters most to him. Maybe he thinks if the price of gas is very high, the green investments like Solyndra will pay for themselves.

    Future Republican administrations are conjecture. Obama’s administration is a fact that is difficult to hide.

  319. thought of you JJ…


  320. for JJ…


  321. The pipeline would only create about 200 permanent jobs after it is built, not the 10s of thousands which was first stated to sell the project. And then there is the problem of going through environmentally sensitive areas and oil leaks. (In Alaska, there are lots of leaks which don’t get reported and are often understated when they are reported.)

  322. The pipeline WILL NOT lower the cost of crude! The extracting from shale is ruining the environment. There is also a lot of talk of that oil going over to Asia.

    Newt: A New Word From Scott K
    January 14, 2012

    I’m leaving Scott’s email exactly as is because nobody could improve on it. Not even Hemingway.


    NBC News tonight reported on the mudslinging ads the Republicans are airing against each other in South Carolina. Newt Gingrich, they reported, whined that a pro-Romney superPAC ad run against him had been awarded 3 Pinocchios for falsehood by the Washington Post’s fact-checkers. NBC pointed out that the Post’s same fact checkers had meanwhile awarded one of Newt’s ads 4 Pinnochios for being even less truthful.

    This episode demands coining a new word:

    Newtzpah, (n.)- the superlative of utterly unmitigated gall.



  323. But what about those evil 1%’ers Gi-Jo-Gina? How can we reelect those corporate cronies back into office who give the least to charities?

  324. and finally domestically it is the price of oil. The oil prices increase, that is less money you have to spend in local businesses.
    yes JJ…
    build the pipeline…..

  325. If anybody needs a preview of what the country would be like if we were to elect one of these GOP morons instead of reelecting Obama, all they have to do is remember what the economy was like under Bush. None of these guys, despite their rhetoric have any better idea of how to run this country then Dubya did. And that’s a fact!

    And don’t bother bringing up Romney’s supposed history of job creation, only the MOST ignorant people in the country buy that load of hooey.


    There are a few reasons why job creation hasn’t been EXPLODING under Obama. One, the credit crisis froze the lending up. This means that businesses that were actually seeing an increase in demand couldn’t get the capital to expand. The second reason is public sector layoffs, which tightens the belts of workers and finally domestically it is the price of oil. The oil prices increase, that is less money you have to spend in local businesses.

  326. Moody’s Analytics expects the U.S. to add 1.6 million jobs next year, barely enough to move unemployment lower. That makes the president’s prospects a toss-up, analysts say.


  327. You surprise me JJ…..”Think of the regular old working person when you vote!”
    I thought that you were one of those people that had their hand out and wanted(demanded)something for nothing…..
    I totally agree that “getting your hands dirty” is looked down on now…..
    When I quit farming I’d already finished my millwright apprenticeship(working 2 jobs)….
    I think about the old working person (I’m one myself) every day….
    I’d rather have a paycheck president than a food stamp president….

  328. Mageen: I agree with you totally. Citizen United was a horrible decision. I would also say that getting rid of Glass-Steagel was a horrible decison which eventually caused the meld-down of the economy.

    President Obama created ONE MILLION more private sector jobs in his third year than GW Bush in his Third year. JUST THE FACTS!

    In the third year of Bush’s first term (2003) the economy created four hundred thousand (400,000) private sector jobs. In contrast, President Obama in the third year of his first term created almost one and a half MILLION (1,400,000) jobs. Obama created ONE MILLION more private sector jobs than President George W. Bush.



  329. Could that be that they are doing more crime?


    The war on Black Americans as reported by Ron Paul. Quite Interesting.


    In terms of its racial impact, the U.S. government’s war on drugs also constitutes one of the most racially discriminatory policies being pushed by the government in recent decades, with African-Americans constituting its greatest casualties. As the ACLU has reported, “Despite the fact that whites engage in drug offenses at a higher rate than African-Americans, African-Americans are incarcerated for drug offenses at a rate that is 10 times greater than that of whites.” Indeed, blacks — who make up 13% of the population — account for 40% of federal prisoners and 45% of state prisoners convicted of drug offenses.


  331. Gi-Jo-Gina, talk about those evil 1%’ers some more, you know who I am talking about, those Democrats.

  332. With Simon, the right or wrong never seem to matter on the face of it being right or wrong. It is always a line drawing contest. When dealing with large numbers of people, immoral acts have to be accepted in his opinion and we should not worry about it. I wonder then where you draw the line before anyone in your opinion is justified in being concerned. Does this cross the line or is it to be expected?

    Attorney General: 900 Dead People Voted In SC

    Read more: http://www.wyff4.com/politics/30188950/detail.html#ixzz1jRjJnQyg


  333. Hey JJ…
    concerning your C&R post….aren’t the liberals also hypocrites….pro abortion-anti death penalty….
    missed some ….

  334. Am almost in an upright position this AM after a very fast exhausting time that started with a holiday visit with family followed by immediately going back to work. I think there is something about that chain of events that may need adjustment for the future. Got back to this site to see different groups getting named. And what they supposedly do and what “power” they may have. Reminded me definitely about the recent SCOTUS decision that corporations are people. The corporations should really not have rejoiced over that decision and should be petitioning to have it revoked. People can be sued over more things than corporations. People as a result of conviction of crimes can go to jail. It can also mean that somewhere along the line, especially if a corporation/people is located in Texas, it can be excuted.

  335. Uawtradesman . I’m sorry your family lost the farm. What happened then was terrible. My cousin was also foreclosed, but he left the bank a parting gift. He turned a hog loose in the lobby.It created quite a mess before workers caught it. Later, the bank held a pork barbaque for its customers.

    You might get your chance to buy land if you live long enough. These high prices will come down eventually.

    Kyle, the Vet Center does good work, at least it did during the month I used their services in 1980. It was created because too many Vietnam era veterans distrusted the government and the Vet Center was an outreach effort to help veterans navigate the VA’s red tape and to help with emotional problems.. Many counselors were veterans including some who had seen combat.The theory was that people who had lived through what their clients had seen had more credibility than normal mental health workers.

    I think that after a month with me, some of the counselors needed therapy.

    One of the overlooked problem groups was female veterans. A number of them, especially nurses suffered from post tramatic stress disorder. The Vet Center was trying to address that.

    I met a conservative woman on another message board. After we “moved” to another forum, I suggested this site, not to find reinforcements but because I thought she would be interested. She lasted two hours and told me this site was full of nut cases.

  336. Sarah Palin says Mitt Romney needs to back up his job creation claims and says Mitt needs to release his Income Tax Records.



  337. Think of the regular old working person when you vote!

  338. 3 weeks in jail for writing anti Wall Street Statements on the sidewalk with chalk = pretty crazy use of the police. Case thrown out.



    Michelle Bachmann – BLR


    Maher talking politics


    Rick Santorum: Thinks about gay sex more than anyone else.



    TEAPARTY says vote for Rich: Either One


    Kyle: People actually have lives to live – don’t blame em either.


  342. Where are all the reinforcements Anonymous promised, besides UAW, James and PFesser?


    NEWT by Jon Stewart, Black to the Future



    I didn;t want to interupt the hate fest of UAW and Anon


    Since Wall Street was gambling and crashed our economy: A Financial Transaction Tax makes so much sense.


  345. The fact that you care just helps me prove to Alaskapie that the Liberal party is the party of hate and personal attacks. Thanks for helping me prove it once again.

  346. Guess you made your wife do it.

  347. Nope..thanks for asking

  348. A lot of people are very upset about the rapidly increasing U.S. national debt these days and they are demanding a solution. What they don’t realize is that there simply is not a solution under the current U.S. financial system. It is now mathematically impossible for the U.S. government to pay off the U.S. national debt. You see, the truth is that the U.S. government now owes more dollars than actually exist. If the U.S. government went out today and took every single penny from every single American bank, business and taxpayer, they still would not be able to pay off the national debt. And if they did that, obviously American society would stop functioning because nobody would have any money to buy or sell anything.


  349. UAW and Birther, don’t you have shoveling to do? Not what you’ve been shoveling here, but that white stuff?

  350. Rathke is also founder and Chief Organizer of Service Employees International Union…..


  351. never know what you’ll find unless you look….

    “Not ACORN. It promotes a 1960s-bred agenda of anti-capitalism, central planning, victimology, and government handouts to the poor. As a result, not only does it harm the poor it claims to serve; it is also a serious threat to the urban future. ”


    check out George Wiley and Wade Rathke,

  352. James, just today I received in the mail two personal appeals for my help from Major General John. K. Singlaub and General Richard B. Myers, USAF, (ret.)

  353. James….Wish I could have kept farming(the bank got my dads)…..My wife gave me a choice in 84……I’m drawing a pension now but farm price are pushing $8000/acre in the Sag.valley….shit happens……wish i had half a section(couldn’t afford it at $2800)…..

  354. “ACORN was not created nor was its purpose to generate fraud.”
    I worked in a democratic led union…..I still believe in unions but they turned into a company(with all the faults of a large company)….”looking after the union instead of the workers”(mine)……just like ACORN….looking after ACORN instead of the people they SAID they were for!!!!!!!

  355. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2803068/posts

  356. It “could be said”, but such a comment would be hooey. How does voter fraud help anyone?
    ask Al Franken….

  357. wow…..I’ve been drinking so I’ll leave it at ….Simon has some on his chin also……If i post after this I shouldn’t be held responsible for my actions…..having leftover venison neck veg soup……getting ready to cook-up boiled dinner….and homemade pork jerky(loin),and homemade Canadian bacon…. much more interested in what Simon eats other than a Santorium sandwich….

  358. An organization like ACORN or a business like NBC is not much different from an organism. They maintain themselves until external insults and internal rot create a downward spiral which cannot stop until the body is overwhelmed and death is inevitable.

    I watched it happen during the farm depression when farmers better than my wife or I collapsed from a multiplicity of mistakes and bad judgment which by themselves were survivable. Drought, low prices, unsustainable debt and inflation provided the final blow the same as when flu killed a weakened person. James OKeef and his helpers did not kill ACORN. They were the final straw.

    Simon, no one else pays attention to my rants about my Scandinavian heritage, so you are my next victim. Google SomBy:the winner of Liet International 2009 YouTube. They are a Finnish/ Sami rock band. You likely won’t look it up either, but it is your loss.

  359. Compelling argument to add 1 million jobs and lower energy costs substantively.


  360. Which party has integrity, not with words but with action?


  361. I agree about a search for perfection in all organizations and politicians sets too high a standard. We will never find perfection, of course, but there is a line one crosses beyond which the good outweighs the bad or vise versa. Of course the good and bad are subjective.

  362. The Liberal record seems to b skipping and repeating the same message over and over..if you are not Liberal, you are racist.



  363. To elaborate on my comment regarding perfection, of course no person or thing can achieve it. One must look at the agenda of the person or organization. ACORN was not created nor was its purpose to generate fraud. Mistakes were made, and those making the mistakes should have been addressed, but not the destruction of the entire organization. That was reprehensible politics, engineered by those who would further disenfranchise people in order to win elections. That Brietbart and his ilk lie and cheat to destroy their “enemies” (and why would an organization which seeks to level the field for everyone’s participation in not only democracy, but the American dream itself) makes them no better than those members of ACORN who stepped outside the rules. I submit, however, that Brietbart’s organization exists for no other reason than destruction.

  364. Assuming, of course that the Anonymous in question was the Birther. That is the problem with using “Anonymous” as an identifier, one doesn’t always know whom one is actually addressing. A name, even a fake one, clarifies the speaker, avoiding misunderstandings.

  365. Quoting James:

    “I don’t know if Anon was being serious when he/she wrote you set a high standard, but I think you do, Simon.”

    I can assure you Birther was not being serious, but I appreciate the thought from you nonetheless.
    If we are to demand perfection from an organization such as ACORN we must demand it from everyone, including politicians. That may be too high a standard.

  366. Quoting UAW:

    “it could also be said that “ACORN’s purpose was not voter fraud. It was helping the poor and disenfranchised to achieve their rights as citizens.” through voter fraud…..”

    It “could be said”, but such a comment would be hooey. How does voter fraud help anyone?

  367. Quoting UAW:

    “Yes Simon….I do believe that voter fraud allowed Franken to win”

    Then your bias has blinded you.

    “Using your standards the Supreme Court said that Bush did….”

    I’m not sure what standards you are referring to. Nevertheless, yes, the Supreme Court handed Bush the election, but the question had to do with the voting issues in not only 2000 Florida, but 2004 Ohio as well. Since the Republican was given the victory in both of those instances do you disregard the questions raised or do you have the same concern for voting irregularities?

  368. That’s all right, Doris. I didn’t have to answer. The fire was the worst thing I witnessed and it was before the Air Force. That night changed how I regard life.

    I was an Air Force medic.I took x rays and worked in the dental clinic. I also helped on the ward and drove ambulances, depending on which base I was on. I managed dental supply after I made staff sargent. After my last promotion, I was shelter chief for the squadron. During war games, I calculated the radiation or gas safety levels and no one, including the commander left without my permission. I loved that part of the job.

    I hung around the weather squadron one base so often that they gave me odd jobs and taught me the rudiments of forecasting. They let me keep discarded weather data too. They requested I be allowed to cross train, but the Medical squadron wanted me .

    I made Ssgt E5 under four years. Retention officers tried to persuade me to stay in the service, but I became a civilian as soon as my time was up four years after my enlistment. A commander recommended I attend Officers Training School, but it would have kept me in the Air Force longer, and I wanted out.

    As I told you, I flew an X-ray machine, but rode through Europe in a single engined plane piloted by a squadron captain. Odd things follow me. We nearly crashed several times, and we were two of maybe the only Vietnam Era troops detained on an Italian air base. The pilot had made an emergency landing on an Italian air base instead of Rome’s airport. The Italians left their sense of humor off base.

    I had two good years and two bad in the Air Force.

    An uncle and cousin served in the Air Force. A cousin was a Marine, and my brother served in the Army. Our niece and nephew- in law have served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our daughter’s college room mate was yanked out of college when her National Guard unit was deployed. She drove trucks into Baghdad during the invasion.

    I’ve lived a charmed life with good outweighing the bad. I am still fit and healthy as is my wife. We know how lucky we are.

    What’s your story, Doris? I’d really like to know. Maybe we have seen some of the same parts of the world.?

  369. James, I am sorry I pried into your private life with my question. Your story is heartbreaking with the painful memories still so fresh in your mind after all these years. But you did move on and get on with your life.

    Did you career out in the AF before you returned home and what rank did you attain? What kind of aircraft did you fly? I’m not being nosy. Just interested because we have a military background too. A common interest.

  370. I agree, Simon. It should apply to all organizations. ACORN probably helped many people. However, that organization apparently reached a point where the potential harm it could do outweighed the future good.

    For example, one part of ACORN supported a reverse pioneer action. Foreclosed families would re- take their homes. A television station reported on a woman who had re- occupied her home and changed the locks. An ACORN rep said this action would help her keep her home.

    The reporter said the woman’s house no longer belonged to the bank which foreclosed, and that someone else had purchased the home.That faction of ACORN would have denied the creditor its rightful return on loaned money and also the new purchaser of the house. The previous owner would likely have been re-evicted with no gain to anyone.

    Whatever good ACORN did in the past survives. Future good work stopped, but ACORN did it to itself. It left itself open to politically motivated destruction. I don’t believe it is really gone. Some groups have morphed into similar organizations with different names.

    I don’t know if Anon was being serious when he/she wrote you set a high standard, but I think you do, Simon.

  371. Simon…
    it could also be said that “ACORN’s purpose was not voter fraud. It was helping the poor and disenfranchised to achieve their rights as citizens.” through voter fraud…..

  372. Well looks like Simon was right after all. There is no reason to tighten up the voting process, as this video shows it more than secure.

  373. Using your standards the Supreme Court said that Bush did….

  374. Well said Simon, your best articulated argument to date. You do raise the bar for Libs on here..grats man

  375. Yes Simon….I do believe that voter fraud allowed Franken to win…..I don’t really blame the felons(or dead people) who voted but I do blame the township(precinct), county, and state election officials that allowed this to happen…..
    in some states the only identification required is a phone or electric bill….at least that way you are restricted to one district……stops “VOTE EARLY-VOTE OFTEN”

  376. UAW, who won the 2000 presidential election, Gore or Bush?

  377. Quoting James:

    ” I think any organization which fails to control itself must change or die.”

    Of course, but that should be applied to all organizations, not just the ones with which one might disagree politically. ACORN’s purpose was not voter fraud. It was helping the poor and disenfranchised to achieve their rights as citizens. And it was destroyed, and that good work undone, by petty politics. This is not something to be celebrated.

  378. Birther, please continue to demonstrate what an idiot you are. Thanks in advance.

  379. Stolen votes and predatory rich people are all interesting, but as you know I have been researching my family history. I wish someone could tell me if joiking and throat singing come from the same source. I wonder if they have changed much from the Ice Age.

  380. and…Remember Florida bans felons from voting for life….

    But little attention has been paid to the tens of thousands of felons who registered to vote in state after state. An investigation by the Sun Sentinel newspaper in Florida found 30,000 felons registered to vote.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,441030,00.html#ixzz1jMWGKo00

  381. I really like this guy. Really, like this guy.

  382. As for the birther comments..I present the following into evidence.

  383. more links Simon….


    and(bottom of page 10)(or bottom of page 786

    Nevertheless, the survey
    data suggest that Democratic candidates
    would have received about 7 of every 10
    votes cast by the felons and ex-felons in 14
    of the last 15 U.S. Senate election years.


  384. I agree, Simon. They are doing it to damage their political opponents. I don’t care what they think. I care what I think. I think any organization which fails to control itself must change or die.

    Uaw tradesman, your snow storm is the same one which gave us a little snow for me to ski and 50 MPH wind on the day before yesterday. Our little .5 inch has evaporated though it was -1 this morning. You lucky dog, you.

  385. Think that about sums it up.

    Don’t agree with all of it but almost all of it.

  386. its officially winter in Michigan….almost whiteout conditions here…..time to start the soup…..crap…..need cabbage….

  387. James, O’Keefe, like his employer, Breitbart, couldn’t care less about the “mismanagement” of ACORN. Let’s be honest here. Their agenda is to bring down organizations which aid the poor and disenfranchised, like ACORN, and NPR, whose trickily edited video targeted a perceived enemy of the Right. This is much more about partisan politics than public service. Whatever else we may think of these people, or their media enablers, let’s not kid ourselves regarding their motives.

  388. Quoting UAW:

    “No one knows for sure how the felons tagged by Minnesota Majority voted”

    This is a reasonable statement, unlike “Liberals claim there is no voter fraud”, or the following quote:

    “yep….so .0002 of 3,000,000 Minnesota voters is 600…..remember all the recounts….Franken won by 312……

    On the one hand you admit there is no way of knowing who voted for whom, on the other you imply the only way Franken won was through voter fraud.
    Any voter fraud is bad, but like Birther’s obsession with a small number of crimes relative to the number of people involved in a movement, you are attempting to paint with too broad a brush. 600 is too many, but in comparison with 3,000,000, if that is an accurate number, it is miniscule. That doesn’t make it right, but neither does it make the situation something for which to call out the Marines. It is simply a red herring used as an excuse to create problems for legitimate voters who may vote differently than the town criers would prefer. I suspect you know this.

  389. another comment….
    “Of course Buffett is comparing apples to oranges. His wealth is almost 10000 times more than the riches Republican in Congress. He should offer to donate between $1000 and $10000 for every dollar any member of Congress or the President donates. This might entice some to donate. If Buffett was serious, he would offer to donate dollar for dollar, up to a limit (such as $28 billion) for every dollar any American or Corporation donates. Maybe he could convince Gates and Soros to match (up to a slightly lesser limit). If this occurred, it would still barely make a dent in our deficit!

  390. going though the comments on Huffpo I saw one that stated that Buffet is charged 15%cap. gains and no FICA……Hey Warren…..Give that $30 billion to the SS instead of Bill Gates……
    Maybe Warren should wipe his chin also…..

  391. now its really getting funny…..

    Berkshire Hathaway, the eighth-largest public company in the world according to Forbes, openly admits to still owing taxes for years 2002 through 2004 and 2005 through 2009, according to the New York Post.


  392. Right on uawtradesman and Anon!

  393. Alaskapi, maybe more coffee isn’t needed. Maybe you are tired from shoveling all of that snow. Ha!

    I like the article and agree with much of it. I wrote earlier that Bain could be Romney’s Swift Boats for Truth. As we remember, one of Kerry’s selling points was his being a combat veteran. That trumped Bush’s not serving in combat. Kerry’s salute and “reporting for duty” at the Democratic National Convention was a giant leap over a shark.

    Swiftboaters for Truth turned his supposed strength against him and Kerry was too passive for too long. Romney may be in the same swift boat.

  394. Those “Evil, Rich People” – are Democrats

    From the, “you never hear about that from the media” file – Those “Evil, Rich People” that Democrats are always wailing about are actually – Democrats.

    In fact, the Top 4 on the list: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison, Christy Walton are all Democrats. Together, they are worth $150 Billion Dollars.

    An analysis of the Top 20 Richest People in America (from Forbes Top 100) reveals that a full 60% are actually Democrats. Furthermore, if you eliminate the duplication caused by people from the same family being included in that Top 20 list (Wal-Mart & Koch) that ratio widens even further to:
    25% Republican / 75% Democrat.

    Analyzing the data takes us even further. Not only are there more Democrats in the Top 20 list, but those Democrats are a lot more stingy with their money. Republicans coughed up $5.2 million while Democrats squirted out only $2.1 Million.

    Lest we not forget, Democrats outweigh Republicans. Not only in terms of the number of uber-millionaires, but also with their net worth. In this Top 20 group, Democrats have a combined net worth of $263.1 billion dollars while the Republicans have a combined net worth of only $143.9 billion dollars – almost half that of Democrats.

    So the next time you hear some Liberal Freak try the “Evil Rich People” rhetoric, remind them and everyone around you that it is the Democrats who are those “Evil Rich People”, not the Republicans. Then stand back and watch their head spin.

  395. I see JJ is at it again…..”Warren Buffet Challenge: Buffet will match all Republican Congressmen in donating extra money to pay down the American Debt. “……..
    Why doesn’t he challenge the Democrats????????How much extra has Al Gore put in?????How about the Kennedy”s??????We already know that John Kerry will do anything to not pay taxes…..
    You got some more Frothy#1 on your chin…..

  396. Here are the top 10 and their minimum net worth levels for 2010, according to Roll Call:

    1. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., $188 million
    2. Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., $160 million
    3. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., $153 million
    4. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., $82 million
    5. Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, $74 million
    6. Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., $70 million.
    7. Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., $56 million
    8. Rep. Vern Buchanan, R-Fla., $55 million
    9. Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., $50 million
    10. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., $46 million

  397. The middle class is something Mitt read about in an economics book.

    Farmers need the $10 million tax estate exemption. Through no fault of their own, most are multi-millionaires on paper. They can’t cash in without destroying their businesses. Assets and disposable income are different.

    The land is sold from under children or young non-family renters working into the business so the family can settle the estate.

    Lawyers and accountants can help the truly rich pass their estates to the next generation.

    My guess is other small business people need a higher exemption too.

  398. http://wickershamsconscience.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/the-real-problems-with-romney-bain-capital/

    more coffee needed…

  399. James- I won’t watch the Gingrich vid.
    Super PACs, on ANYone’s side,tick me off – whether they are targeting someone I can’t stand or not. Am thinking the best way to start getting fairer elections is to ignore anything which flows out of those kind of $$s.
    Anyway- here’s one of my favorite Alaskan blogger’s take on Bain/Romney/ “vulture” capitalism. Be aware – he calls himself a birder but he’s much, much more.

  400. Mitt’s sons are not running for president. I don’t respect them much for those sentiments, but they have nothing to do with Mitt’s possible success or failure in the White House, should he be elected.

    We met a WW11 veteran in Canada. He owned a small local newspaper and wrote a story about the American family visiting his small Manitoba town. During our conversation, he said he and his wife moved to Canada so their sons would not be drafted to fight in another American war.

    You are probably sick of reading this, but it is always with me.

    I am basically happy. I have been successful, and people seem to like me. Our dog and children like me. But there is a sickness inside. I lock it away.where, it will remain until I die. A Vet Center counselor told me my experiences and my cold, controlled attitude disturbed him.

    Several family members and our childrens’ classmates are or did serve in Iraq and Afghanistan. Good for them!

    I decided when they were born that our children would not serve in the military under the unlikely possibility that something similar to my experiences would happen to them. That is an awful thing to do. It is unpatriotic, selfish, and hypocritical, but I’m glad we convinced them to choose something else.

    I don’t know the Romney motivations, nor do I know how others who refuse military service make their choices. I do know my wife and I made a selfish choice and that we would do it again..

  401. Mitt Gave his campaign 45 Million last time he ran for President – not bad for a middle class fellow. He found a way to get his 45 Million + back by changing tax laws for the wealthiest 1%. Great for the Super wealthy – more money out of middle class folks pockets though.

    Before, he said, he’d planned to leave everything to his sons, but now, he laughed, “I want to leave it all to my grandchildren.” He then tried to pivot quickly back to his larger point–that he wanted his grandkids to inherit a better country. But the net effect of his story was to remind voters of his immense wealth–a subject that his rivals and the Obama campaign have frequently used to suggest he’s out of touch with the travails of ordinary Americans.

    Of course, it’s easy for Mitt Romney to be out of touch when losing $45 million is almost an afterthought. Besides, if he succeeds at eliminating the estate tax, his heirs will more than get that back.

    That tax is currently paid by less than a quarter of one percent of American estates each year. According to the Tax Policy Center, in 2009 fewer than 2,700 family farms and businesses owed the tax to Uncle Sam. But thanks to successful Republican brinksmanship, the December 2010 tax cut compromise lowered the rate from 45 percent to 35 percent while boosting the estate tax exemption to $10 million per couple. Now, Mitt Romney wants to make sure those 40 richest estates estimated to now pay the tax each year could keep billions of dollars away from the federal government.

    And among those 40 estates would be his own. With President Romney zeroing out the estate tax, those 17 grandchildren would get a golden shower when their grandparents Mitt and Ann leave the scene. Their payday courtesy of all other American taxpayers could reach $84,000,000 (35 percent of $240 million).


  402. Mitt Romney: Rich guys should have all the money and the little guys should have little impact on policy is the message I hear in this statement.

  403. And then we have Ron Paul and his increasing influence in the Republican Party. What to do?


    Mitt Romney is on the glide path to the Republican nomination. But it is not escaping GOP notice that Romney’s vote total in Iowa was the same as it was in 2008, and just 5 percentage points higher in New Hampshire than four years previous. Turnout among self-identified Republicans decreased in both states, even after more than three years of Barack Obama’s misgovernance.
    Ron Paul, on the other hand, more than doubled his vote total in Iowa, and tripled it in New Hampshire, largely by attracting nearly half of all independents and young voters. Paul has gotten twice as many votes as Newt Gingrich so far. In the Granite State, he received more votes than Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry combined.
    And unlike Santorum and Gingrich (his two main competitors for the non-Romney slot at this point), Paul has a nationwide campaign, the ability to raise money at the drop of a hat, and the clear intention to compete all the way to the Republican National Convention. He is the clear front-runner in the race for second place.

    Get some popcorn and watch ring number 3



    More on Mitt by Rachel Maddow

    But what about Mitt Romney’s sons, authors of the now abandoned “Five Brothers” blog? “My boys,” Governor Romney explained, “can make their own money.” That’s true (if you ignore their $100 million trust fund.) Still, cutting Tagg, Matt, Craig, Ben and Josh out of his will seems a little harsh after all they’ve done for their country. As their father Mitt explained in 2007:

    “My sons are all adults and they’ve made decisions about their careers and they’ve chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard. One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I’d be a great president. I respect that and respect all those and the way they serve this great country.”



  405. Fortune’s CWMoney has an article titled “Gingrich’s ‘Bain bomb’ fizzles.” It is filled with inaccuracies according to the writer, Dan Primack. For one thing, Romney left Bain in 1999 though he remained an invester.

    “To be clear, none of this is to suggest that Romney and Bain didn’t make some very real mistakes, or that they shouldn’t be criticized for situations in which they profited from financial engineering rather than from company growth. But the Wnning our Future PAC goes beyond that, intentionally obscuring the record in a way that makes such honest discussions more difficult. And for that, Winning Our Future deserves some scorn of its own.”

  406. Simon, we probably agree on the motives and good ACORN did for poor people and blacks. My focus is on their sloppy organization which, given my experiences in the service, college and with our farm business are anethama to me. A mission statement is fine, but an organization is responsible for insuring that employees conduct themselves in a manner congruent with the mission.

    We don’t have cable so we don’t watch Fox News. However, though I have never purchased their services, prostitutes accosted us in London and Rome. They were better dressed than Hannah. The Philidelphia video showed glimpses of Hannah and James. He wore conservative slacks and a shirt. Hannah wore a fur coat which she removed, and she was dressed like my stereotype of a prostitute. She wore cheap-appearing blue hoop ear rings and if she had had a coughing spell, she might have fallen out of her clothes. The Durango, Colorado girl with the year book dispute comes to mind.

    This is from memory, so I might be wrong. After the story broke, ACORN representatives denied it. The official line was the couple talked for only ten minutes or so, they were ordered out, and workers called the police. The Washington Post and other news sources also reported there was nothing to the incident.

    Then, OKeef released the video which lasted at least 32 minutes until the battery ran down. It proved he was telling the truth and the others were lying. Probably because of the controversy, CNN ran a story “How ACORN Steals Votes for Democrats.” ACORN reps flooded polling places with bogus votes in Gary, Indiana, I think. Many of the voters were dead.At least half of 5,000 registration applications were dumped on a polling office just before the deadline. Workers detected the large number of bad votes, and since none of the people appeared to have voted, no criminal charges were filed. However, the massive number of bad registrations made the job of polling place workers harder than it should have been, and we don’t know if some of the bogus votes escaped.

    The Obama campaign gave ACORN $800,000. for the 2008 campaign and ACORN endorsed Obama who had once won a court case for them. The reporters said the campaign was trying to distance itself from ACORN after the reports.

    ACORN also suffered from embezlement and OKeef’s stings showed several ACORN offices were guilty of bad judgment. They showed a sloppily- run organization with little knowledge of what was happening, and they showed ACORN officials who lied about the problem before they knew video proof existed. I believe at least fifteen states charged ACORN workers with voter fraud. A few whistle blowers supported the image of a badly-run organization.

    I agree, Simon, the problem may not have been endemic, but it was sufficiently wide-spread to warrant suspension of tax paid aid.

    The OKeef stings might not have been ethical, but without them, we would not have known about ACORN’s incompetent management. Our tax money helped support them and their lax discipline when registering voters might have changed some close elections.

    Martin Luther King said that in the Civil Rights crusade, that one may have to break the law sometimes. If so, people should accept their punishment.

    Voter fraud is committed by both sides. It may influence close elections as it did when “Landslide Lyndon” Johnson won a seat in the House of Representatives, I believe. Dead people may also have provided the margin which elected JFK.

    Once again Juneau Joe’s Vulture capitalism is too simplistic. The Obama administration with their green stimulus money has also sent jobs over seas. For example, money funding a green auto manufacturer in Finland didn’t create many jobs in the US.

  407. So true! Oh so true! Thank you, thank you for writing what we’re thinking. Now how do we wake up those who aren’t thinking?


    Here is the 28 minute video of Mitt Romney and his years at Bain where he practiced Vulture Capitalism. Very Interesting how he earned his quarter billion dollars moving jobs overseas. When he said he liked firing people – he was serious.



  409. Lets take a look at this from another perspective. Why are you against photo I.D.? I take it then with this stance, you are against photo identification for the purchase of liqueur and cigarets. Against it for being able to drive and anything else we currently use it for. Or is it you are against photo identification JUST in the case of voting?

  410. Warren Buffet Challenge: Buffet will match all Republican Congressmen in donating extra money to pay down the American Debt.


    Warren Buffett is willing to put his money where his mouth is, if only congressional Republicans would join him.

    The American billionaire investor, in the new issue of Time magazine, says he would donate $1 to paying down the national debt for every dollar donated by a Republican in Congress. The only exception is Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell – for whom Buffett said he would go $3-to-$1.

  411. Photo ID’s
    Just ask any College kid and they’ll tell you how to get one.
    That’s for any white elitists who want to vote.

  412. This is an interesting conversation to me though most of it doesn’t mean much here – except maybe in Anchorage where there are enough people the folks at the polls don’t know everyone by name already.
    Why is all the interest on having photo ID of the voter ? The problems I keep reading about have more to do with phony registrations which don’t get caught, unpurged voter rolls, and the like. some creeps may pull off voting as long departed great Aunt Minnie but , really how many can that really be?
    Why can’t we all push for better management of the rolls?
    And the dang machines which count our votes- ?
    UAW- here there hundreds of communities with no DMV, no local records offices, none of it.( No alcohol in most either unless they are legally “damp”) I have a friend whose license/ID lapsed 3 years ago She lives in a village of 18 year round people and all voting is done by mail- sent to the borough seat for tallying. How the heck do you deal with rural communities in this whole thing?

  413. UAW – I didn’t say there is no voter fraud. I am suggesting it is not the huge problem they want you to believe.

    I see it this way. The lines at a city voting place are long and how many times can one vote in a day. In a small town the lines are shorter but the poll people are more likely to know you or recognize you if you come through 3 or 4 times. And how many people do you need to make a difference really??

    It is much easier and certainly faster and way harder to prove if you commit vote/election fraud through the election machines, software or final counting place…..well like running the results through Kentucky on their way to central place in Ohio in 2004. Can’t really prove it because the software is protected, the machines/software are under the control of a corporation. Free and Fair election…right!

    I am not against an ID if it was necessary. Most Americans don’t vote as it is. But I think it is a poll tax particularly because you have to pay for the ID and then what proof do you need – driver license or birth certificate or passport – what if you don’t have one of these. More money, more time, more hassle for people; just making it difficult to vote which is exactly what some people want.

    You are the ones talking about government is too big, government taking away your rights and yet here you are willing to get yet another ID so you can vote, willing to just line up as you are told They have you looking at the little picture while they are screwing us with the big picture. Why do we after a certain age have to show an ID for beer or cigarettes? Absolutely STUPID! But we are being well trained.

    This is the America you want? Land of the rich and home of the stupid, yea America!

    It is just my two cents.

  414. UAW, who said voter fraud doesn’t happen? I have not heard that said.

  415. Cindy, I’m not sure the real motive is to eliminate voter fraud at all. Fraud’s OK when it’s in your favor, doncha know. ;) , Voter fraud is a really motivating meme, like many others that coax us into giving up our freedoms one after the other.

    I know a locksmith who says “Locks are to keep honest people out.” Voter fraud is unacceptable but the measures to fix it aren’t going to stop fraudsters. They will make it harder for certain demographics to vote. That would be the conservative value-add. ;)

  416. On another blog, I am called a white elitist because I am in favor of photo I.D. being required to vote. It is already required in several states. I honestly do not understand the argument against photo I.D. It seems to me that text on a page can only tell us so much. When you have a photo to go along with the text document is makes it much harder to fraudulently register or vote. The argument is bunk to say it doesn’t occur often enough to matter. If there is a window for it to happen at all, it needs to be closed. I see no good reason not to take steps that gets us that much closer to perfecting the voting process. If we have photo I.D. to buy alcohol and cigarets, then to vote is no big stretch.

  417. come on Cindy…..
    I repeat….

    As for the constant liberal claims that voter fraud does not occur, one of the Democratic operatives who pled guilty, Anthony DeFiglio, told New York State police investigators “that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.” And whose votes do they steal? DeFiglio was very plain about that: “The people who are targeted live in low-income housing, and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions.”


    A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.


    so who is rigging the machines??????

  418. Simon…your article was 01/09/09…..mine was 07/14/10…..a year and a half later ……sometime in there charges were filed….you made the point of .0002 being minuscule and I pointed out that it does matter…….the judges also had to conform to a time frame.for a decision…….I’m not saying that Franken should be thrown out of office but that these issues(voter registration rolls) should be resolved before next November……..
    same article….
    No one knows for sure how the felons tagged by Minnesota Majority voted, but a thorough review of records in all of Minnesota’s 87 counties seems in order. The state’s voter rolls need to be cleaned up before another Coleman-Franken fiasco takes place.

  419. “Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”

    This is what is really going on. They want you to believe there is a huge HUGE voter fraud going on and we must do something RIGHT NOW. Meanwhile they are carefully rigging the voting machines, software etc. and purging the rolls, caging etc. There is a huge, HUGE election fraud going on in a neighborhood near you! My opinion, of course.

    Allegations of widespread fraud by malevolent voters are easy to make, but often prove to be inflated or inaccurate. Crying “wolf” when the claims are unsubstantiated distracts attention from real problems that need real solutions. Moreover, these claims are frequently used to justify policies – including restrictive photo identification rules – that could not solve the alleged wrongs, but that could well disenfranchise legitimate voters.


    http://www.votefraud.org/ ……Google


    I also understand Newt is sticking around to “trash” Mitt. So they can get it all out in the open now and not during the presidential campaign.

  420. Let’s trade links.


    “All the usual suspects have echoed these false charges across the airwaves and the Internet. What they invariably neglect to mention is that the Minnesota Canvassing Board, whose decisions have so displeased the Republican right, was impeccably nonpartisan. Nobody in their right mind in Minnesota believes that the board was biased — and, in fact, Powerline blogger Scott Johnson, no friend of Democrats or Franken, has specifically spoken up to defend it. “There was no noticeable partisan division among the board,” he wrote. “Minnesotans are justifiably proud of the transparency and fairness of their work.”

    Two of its five members are Supreme Court judges appointed by Tim Pawlenty, the state’s conservative Republican governor, each with a long record of loyal service to the GOP; a third is a nonpartisan elected judge; a fourth was appointed by former independent Gov. Jesse Ventura; and only one, Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, is a Democrat. At the outset, Coleman’s own lawyers accepted the panel’s membership, as did everyone else, including Franken, who might have protested that his own party had only one member.

    Their decisions against Coleman, which led to Franken’s provisional victory by 225 votes, were unanimous. It is this group, composed of distinguished judges with spotless reputations, whose hard work has been described in odious terms by the likes of Morris, Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.”

  421. oops….


  422. Minnesota Majority’s Mr. McGrath says Minnesota Secretary of State Dan Ritchie, a Democrat elected in 2006 with the support of the discredited voter registration group ACORN, has been derelict in his duties. “It is the job of the secretary of state to flag felons on the voter rolls so local election workers can challenge them. In 90% of the cases, the felon records were not flagged.”

  423. yep….so .0002 of 3,000,000 Minnesota voters is 600…..remember all the recounts….Franken won by 312……
    I believe that every legally registered voter should vote….Felons,Canadian citizens, Mexican citizens, people with green cards ,and illegal aliens should not…..
    what pisses me off more than JJ is the ones that say”vote early-vote often”……..how about if your caught committing voter fraud you have to swap Santorum with JJ……

  424. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/14/minnesota-majority-voter-fraud-felons-voting-franken-coleman/

  425. UAW, it’s not that such things never occur, it’s that they are miniscule in number compared to the number of votes cast. Perfection of behavior will never be achieved, certainly not by political “operatives”.

  426. As for the constant liberal claims that voter fraud does not occur, one of the Democratic operatives who pled guilty, Anthony DeFiglio, told New York State police investigators “that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.” And whose votes do they steal? DeFiglio was very plain about that: “The people who are targeted live in low-income housing, and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions.”


  427. Thus the 0.0002 percent notation.

  428. great link UAW..took most of the afternoon to load for some reason.

  429. My understanding is that ACORN was charged by a judge for voter registration fraud on at least 1 occasion.

  430. Then we agree on ACORN, at least in part. But having one, if not you, imply that this selection of ACORN workers must represent ACORN as a whole means we must look at the behavior of O’Keefe on the Fox News program and ask what that represents. Dressing the way he did on that program, as if it was representative of his look during his “sting”, tells us that not only he, but Fox News as well, are dishonest in their motives and actions.

    I understood your reference to “falling for such stereotyped characters” referred to his appearance on Fox News, since there was nothing stereotyped about his actual appearance at the ACORN offices in question. He and his cohort were dressed “normally”, not like Superfly.

    Finally, I was pointing out ACORN’s mission statement, and how it was at odds with the claim that ACORN existed to promote pimps, as well as the other false bugaboo, voter fraud, which are both promoted by others on the Right. This is a part of the criticism of ACORN, and consequently can be a part of the discussion, whether or not anyone mentions is specifically.

  431. My original statement was that the ACORN workers were stupid to fall for the scam. Now, by implication, one might say the organization was run improperly because the workers seemed to think helping prostitutes and child trafickers was all right, but I didn’t write that.

    The Fox News presentation is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with what I wrote–that the workers in several offices acted stupidly. What the OKeef scammers said was more important than what they wore. The workers in several offices bought the premise.

    The “bad apples” dismissal supports my original comment, and again, that has nothing to do with ACORN’s record on voter fraud, because I didn’t mention it.

  432. “It doesn’t matter. A pimp and his pro asked for help, and some of the workers offered it to them, though it was illegal and sleazy. They should have ordered them out of the office, but they didn’t. That was stupid of them.”

    It matters in that the presentation on Fox News gave the impression O’Keefe and his cohort appeared in those Halloween costumes during the “sting”, when in fact they looked like anyone else coming in from the street. This is a lie, and should call into question the entire enterprise.

    “This is just my memory, which may be faulty. I think ACORN fired some of the workers who fell for the scam”

    Does this not acquit ACORN, whose purpose was not to give aid and comfort to pimps, but rather aid the poor and disenfranchised in partaking of their rights as citizens? The “bad apples” in this trumped up case were dismissed.
    If, as many on the Right claim, ACORN’s purpose was to promote voter fraud the 0.0002 percent of actual fraud compared to the number of votes cast would suggest ACORN was a dismal failure.

  433. This is just my memory, which may be faulty. I think ACORN fired some of the workers who fell for the scam.

  434. Re Jan Brewer. When I was in the service, our government sold some barracks to the Germans and leased them back. Over time, the Germans got a better deal than we did.

  435. It doesn’t matter. A pimp and his pro asked for help, and some of the workers offered it to them, though it was illegal and sleazy. They should have ordered them out of the office, but they didn’t. That was stupid of them.

  436. Quoting James:

    “OKeef’s ACORN stunt was a public service if only to show how stupid the ACORN workers were to fall for the pimp story with such stereotyped actors.”

    James, when O’Keefe and his friend appeared at the ACORN location they were not dressed in the absurd costumes they wore on Fox News.

  437. Quoth the Birther:

    “Then clarify it. Get a set and say it, get it off your chest big man.”

    LOL, I did clarify it, fool. Read it again, more carefully this time.

    “Large numbers. or number of moons in the sky, none of these things excuse murder and gang rape. We will have to agree to disagree”

    Again, Birther, I didn’t say anything was excused. It’s not an excuse to point out big cities have more incidence of crime that small towns. It’s common sense. But clearly this concept is beyond you.

    “Since you punked out , I guess there is no more point in discussing things that are clearly above your pay-grade. I will let you have the final say, until you grow a set or someone loans you one.”

    LOL, someone asked who gave the Birther the authority to dictate what is discussed and how and in what sequence. No answer to that one either; primarily because, like too many (although not all) Cons, the Birther loves the Authoritarian model. That may also explain the Birther’s obsession with testicular references.

    By the way, the record has shown I will happily engage anyone with an intelligent argument to make and defend. Yours have proven to have none, Birther.

  438. Acorn again….That fine upstanding organization…..I thought the government shut them down…..


    missed some JJ…..

  439. I don’t know why JJ….
    Maybe the Reagan Democrats are bailing out on Obama and voting for him……..

    Hell, I’d vote for Ralph Nader before I’d vote for Obama…..wait a sec….let me rethink that…..

    Ron Paul????????there’s things I don’t like but I can say the same thing about Obama……

    Ron Paul/Bernie Sanders 2012???????


    Jan Brewer and Your Money
    January 12, 2012

    Trying to explain economics to Republicans is like trying to shovel smoke.

    Arizona’s Governor Jan Brewer, who makes Sarah Palin look like a physics professor, decided to make some money for the cash-strapped state by selling the State Capitol and some other public buildings to a private company and then leasing them back. So, in 2010, she sold them for $81 million.

    Now she wants to buy them back for the Capitol’s 100th anniversary … for $105 million.

    I’d love to be her banker because the way Ms. Brewer sees it, the $24 million loss is actually a savings, because , in her words, “If the state had taken the full 20 years to pay off the debt, the cost would be far more.”

    So, Honey, $24 million is fair interest on $81 million for two years. Who did you sell it to? Payday Lenders or American Express.


    ACORN: Remember: As soon as O’Keefe left the Acorn offices, the ACORN worker called the police and they were on the case for a sting operation. FOX chose not to report on that fact. ACORN was totally vindicated in court because they were working to stop the shenanigans which O’Keefe was trying set up.


  441. Talking Points Memo quotes “election law experts” who say O’Keef’s allies COULD face criminal charges.

    OKeef said his group broke no laws because they never claimed to be the people they asked for. They asked “do you have so and so?” They said they never claimed to be the people they asked about. “We didn’t lie about who we were.” Of course, they didn’t vote.

    The Daily Caller has a video of the encounters. Any of us could have voted in the primary by asking for a name.

    OKeef’s ACORN stunt was a public service if only to show how stupid the ACORN workers were to fall for the pimp story with such stereotyped actors.

    The operative word here is COULD. Lawyers, and a judge, not us will determine if OKeef is a felon. And that is the rest of the story.

    I think Juneau Joe has a right to post anything he wants here as long as its legal, and I feel the same about Anon, whatever form he takes.

  442. hey Farsight Δ ….

    still waiting to see if I’m accepted at anncoulter.com …..never been there before…..but if I want to hear how “petty, hateful, blah, blah, blah liberals are” I just need to stay here…..
    I’ll admit that I’m no angel but look at the company I keep….

    got some on you lip JJ


    UAW Why are Republicans voting for the moderate Romney? Weird.


    A bit about Mitt Romney.



  444. Hey JJ….wipe the Frothy#1 off your chin….

    good piece on O’keefe……..”and that his undercover sting doesn’t demonstrate a need for voter ID laws at all.”…..”in fact, in almost every case, we insisted we show ID and they insisted that we vote without showing ID.”……
    It’s good to see that you also are for voter ID laws….

    got some on your lip also…..

  445. Here is the link to James O’Keefe and the felony voter fraud.


    JuanitaJean tells the background of James O’Keefe:
    You remember James O’Keefe, of pimp fame at ACORN, of breaking into Mary Landrieu’s office fame, of sophomoric attempts to seduce Abbie Boudreau of CNN fame, and of NPR fame where he “deceptively” edited the video.

    He’s an employee of Andrew Brietbart. You know, if I was ever going to start a Creepy Farm, I’d use Andrew Brietbart for breeding stock.



    Now James O’Keefe had his friends commit felony voter fraud, Interesting.

    UAW: Never tasted the froth myself – what does it taste like? Just wondering.
    IGNORE ANONYMOUS!!! (You could ignore me too, if you wish.)


  447. hey JJ….
    maybe I want to read your posts and then reply with “Hey JJ…wipe the Frothy#1 off your chin!”


    Juanita Jean had a good one this AM”
    I Know You’re Not Supposed to Kick a Man When He’s Down. But One Last Kick And Then I’ll Quit. I Promise.
    January 12, 2012

    Last night, Bubba was sitting watching the teevee. Out of the clear blue, he said to me, “Ya know, I bet more people came to your little website yesterday than voted for Rick Perry in New Hampshire.”

    “Nah,” I replied. “New Hampshire is a whole state and I’m just a little ole beauty salon in a small Texas town.”

    But, out of curiosity, I went to check.

    Oh good Lord, Rick. Hang it up. I whipped your butt. That has got to hurt, mainly because I spend $20 a month on this website and Rick spent $5 million so far.

    But I ain’t getting the big head, because right off the top of my head I can think of 70 or 80 things in my little town that are more popular than Rick Perry. Starting with my dog.

    And the Ebola virus.

    Okay, okay, I’ll quit.


    UAW; Just ignore me – it is OK. I do not exist in your world.


  449. farsight….
    “his sophomoric behavior on this blog”….are you talking about JJ….
    “Troll starts spouting off about how petty, hateful, blah, blah, blah”….are you talking about JJ….
    “I can understand why the Troll wants to have this site all to himself. He ends up being the biggest a-hole on the block rather than just another mediocre one lost in the hostility”….are you talking about JJ….

  450. You are talking about two parties, Juneau Joe. A large, vocal group is conservative, but many Republicans are moderates. The voting patterns in Iowa showed Romney got most of his support from the larger cities. Others are looking at Romney because they think he can win, and victory is more important to them than ideology this time. The number of Republican moderates might surprise you.

    It may be the same for the Democratic party.



    My two cents: IGNORE ANY POSTS FROM ANONYMOUS, act like he is not here. (You could ignore my posts if you disagree with my take.)

    DO: Put up links for others to learn about your perspective.

    We have an election in November and we need as much real information as possible. If we ignore the right wing troll and allow this forum to be a place of learning, good people will come and learn. Ignore the Frothy Anonymous and make this blog a place of learning and moving forward toward November.



  452. Do Republicans really want a moderate? Republicans are not voting Conservative but going for the more moderate Republican, what is up with that?


    On some issues, the Republican Party has moved to the right over time. Still, Republicans behave at the ballot box as if 1964 and 1980 were exceptional years when the conservative choices, Barry Goldwater and Reagan, won the nomination. More often, the conservative candidates lose, and while the losers are explained away by ticking off their particular flaws, the fact is that the more moderate alternatives have always been flawed too.

    This year Mitt Romney won handily in Iowa and New Hampshire. Nate Silver has him leading in South Carolina. This despite the fact that no one would mistake him for a flawless candidate. But if Republican primary voters aren’t really as interested in nominating a conservative as is generally thought, what explains the conventional wisdom to the contrary? What mixes us up?


  453. Are we being set up for a War with Iran by lies and distortions? There may some back room manipulations much like what got us into Iraq. Interesting perspective.


  454. Another poll shows most Americans greatest fear is that Obama will win another election. Polls are like Bible verses. Look long enough and you will find something to support your views.

  455. Anon mentioned Cynthia. I think she is classy, smart, and a thinker. She isn’t the only one with class who writes here, but since her name came up, it gave me an opportunity to praise her. I hope I didn’t embarrass her too severely.

  456. I agree with Cynthia about the on line piracy acts. Computer personality Kim Comando spoke of it during a promotional spot for her show. According to her, one version, depending on how it is interpreted, could even effect this site.

    James OKeef and his merry band looked at New Hampshire voting records and discovered dead people were still on the rolls. They went to polling places and asked if so and so was still registered to vote. They were given voting forms on several occasions, though, of course, they didn’t vote.

    “VULTURE CAPITALISM” is too simplistic. Someone commented on Patterico’s Pontifications that Bain Capital invested in 160 to 200 companies during Ronmey’s tenure. Most were in trouble and some failed. People lost jobs. Others prospered. Bain’s purpose was to earn money for the owners and their investors. They did this by buying sick companies and making them well with a higher value than when they were purchased. Apparently more companies were healed than lost.

    In 1994, Senator Edward Kennedy hired private detectives to investigate Ronmey’s past during the Senate race. The Boston Globe reported that the firm had aquired an Indiana paper goods factory named Ampad Corp, fired over 250 workers and then rehired them at lower wages. Kennedy charged that Romney was anti-labor.

    The Boston Globe reported that “virtually every agency in state government asked for information for any and all records” after the date of Romney’s birth. This is a target rich environment that Romney’s campaign should have investigated before Newt and the others did. No matter how well they operated or failed, numerous disgruntled CEOs or workers are ready to talk.

    Kerry failed to fight the Swift Boaters for truth for too long, and his pacificity helped cost him the election. Like Kerry, Romney should have known this was coming and counter- attacked at the beginning. It is still early, but it is possible this could be Romney’s Swiftboaters hour.

    That is why this is more complex than “VULTURE CAPITALISM.”

  457. Recent Polling: President Obama is the smartest most honest of those running for President 2012.


    Americans consider President Obama to be the smartest and most honest presidential candidate against former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Texas Gov. Rick Perry, according to a new poll,

  458. Farsight Δ is the perfect example of a weak minded Liberal. Sorry Alaskapie but here is more proof. The party of personal attacks. Its just how your kind gets things done. Don’t be ashamed of it, but how can you deny it with so much evidence staring you in the face?

    For the record Farsight, Simon, you just encourage me with these petty childish rants you go on. Its like a car wreck, you can’t help but watch. Sadly it is people like you who screw shit up for everyone else. I have never attacked either of you, only responded to your rants, when you have a moment of clarity, and respond without insults, I do the same each and every time without exception. So this continued path of this blog being unpleasant is because of people like you. Look at Cynthia and I. I dare say few people I have had more bitter and heated disagreements with, yet when she posted with no insults or personal attacks, I did in kind. So as always, this is the blog you create, I am going to play the game by the rules you people set forth.


    The presumptive GOP nominee said that on his first day in office, “I will get a hold of the DNA of Osama bin Laden and breathe the life-force of capitalism back into it.”

    The reanimation of the slain al-Qaeda leader is just the first of many steps Mr. Romney plans to take in his effort to get the USA “back to exactly how it was” before Mr. Obama took office.

    “As President, I will immediately close down GM and Chrysler and put thousands of Americans out on the street,” he said. “And then I will try to get a hold of the DNA of Qaddafi.”

    At another point in his victory speech, Mr. Romney complained that his controversial remark about “liking to fire people” had been taken out of context: “The full quote was, ‘I like to fire people – and then laugh at them.’”

    GOOGLE: Borowitz Report

    Frothy Anonymouse has tried to take over this blog. I think we need to ignore any anon and we should all put links on here which we feel are informative and worthwhile. Good people will have a reason to come here and check out some worthwhile stuff. Again: Just ignore the FROTHY ANONYMOUSE TYPES and learn from those we enjoy and respect.


  460. James -

    re: fire scene. That must have been really something. You have mentioned it several times and it clearly still weighs on your mind. My older brother told me of a story just like that one, where a gasoline tanker overturned down the mountainside at Lens Creek Mountain in WV, probably sometime in the ‘sixties. He said the trucker was caught and burned alive also, begging the trooper to shoot him. Glad I was not there.

    When I was a crazy-assed sixteen year-old, I saw a fellow on a motorcycle strike a Greyhound head-on at, I would say, over ninety MPH. They pulled him out from under the REAR wheels. Jesus. Brains and pieces of skull everywhere. Try THAT on for size at sixteen! I was riding my 90cc putt-putt; he and his buddy (two motorcycles) passed me going the same direction just a-gettin’ it. I still remember; he was riding a Norton 750 – the world’s fastest production motorcycle at the time. Still bothers me. Interestingly, about twenty years later I picked up a hitch-hiker WITH THE SAME NAME AT THE SAME SPOT. It was the proverbial “dark and stormy night,” and when the kid told me his name I nearly filled my britches. Turns out it was the biker’s son. !!!!!

    re: unpleasantness on this blog. I have been doing the newsgroup/blog thing for a long time, and the cycle is always the same. Big flame war and then everybody is just sick of it. Rinse and repeat. Reminds me of the last scene of “Hatfields and McCoys” play, where Anderson (Devil Anse) and Randall McCoy talk about feuding no more, regardless of who is ahead in the body count. Ain’t gonna happen here, though, but over and over people learn the same lesson: it leads nowhere – nowhere except weariness and disgust.


    Mitt Romney helped invent VULTURE CAPITALISM! The truth is there for all to see. Great information.


    Mageen: The whole GWB Katrina tragedy was terrible. Santorum, Romney, Newt and the rest are wrong on so many levels.
    Farsight: I think you are correct. I suggest we put links on here to prove our point of view. Let FROTHY ANONYMOUS say what he wants, we will give people a reason to come to this site and get good, current information in the battle for the White House.


  462. Could never go for Santorum, most especially when he piped up, supposedly in defense of FEMA and GWB, that “no one knew where” the storm (Katrina) was going to make landfall. Really?????????????? Yes, we lost someone in that storm and he is still missed.


    The Newt assault on Mitt Romney has begun!


    Mitt Romney took over businesses and among other practices, fired people to make money, not to make a modest profit that would keep the business alive, but to make massive profit, hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in profit, unspendable amounts of money for him and his family. So much money that Mitt Romney fears even showing us just one year of his income tax returns, which would be but a tiny measure of his actual current wealth.

    And Newt Gingrich is asking how many people could have kept their jobs if Mitt Romney was willing to make a couple of hundred million dollars less than what he made at Bain Capital


  464. If anyone thinks they can beat the troll at his sophomoric behavior on this blog, think again. It won’t happen. I think that due to the fact that we have more than one anonymous, Simon has a very good idea in calling him Birther, due, in part, to his past statements. However, I will refer to him as Birther Troll. I know he won’t mind this.

    Keep in mind when the Birther Troll starts spouting off about how petty, hateful, blah, blah, blah liberals are you probably haven’t been to a conservative chat site to make comparisons. If you go to anncoulter.com and join the chat room you will find out what true violently abusive hate is really all about. No liberal on this site can, or should, compare with the majority of posters in ann’s chat— NOT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION—!!! I can understand why the Birther Troll wants to have this site all to himself. He ends up being the biggest a-hole on the block rather than just another mediocre one lost in the hostility.

  465. I mean, people should have any kind of gun they want. They should be able to conceal it any way they want and not have their privacy compromised to get it. But I can’t protect myself from cyber crime with the guns I keep around, so I want the government to help protect me from that and I’m willing to give up freedoms to get that.

  466. Im not sure Cynthia, I am a bit on the fence when it comes to internet regulation. I see the internet as very much like the wild west. At some point it needs to be tamed, and the unlawful among us who exploit it to do real harm to others need to be taken care of. Youtube would be ruined by this. I forget the exact number but they get something like 23 hours of content every hour. I am more interested in an internet that can be policed as such that when illegal activities occur abroad, the offenders can be brought to justice. Unfortunately, no one will ever just stop at that.

  467. Mitt Romney on undoing what President Obama has done:
    MANCHESTER, NH (The Borowitz Report) – In a rousing victory speech in New Hampshire last night, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney vowed to undo everything Barack Obama has done as President, promising his supporters, “I will make Osama bin Laden alive again.”

    Mr. Romney called the assassination of bin Laden “just one of the many mistakes this President has made,” adding, “Say what you will about Osama bin Laden, the man was a job creator.”



    (for Anonymouse)

    NEWTS PATRIOTIC ADULTERY and pandering to the Right Wingers!!


    Newt Gingrich is a professional politician, and a very good liar. He wants poor children (which is code for minority) to work as janitors and confuses people making fun of Dominionism and bizarre fundamentalist Christian dogma with “discrimination.” He wouldn’t know the marriage sacraments if you stapled them to his forehead. Newt Gingrich actually said during the New Hampshire debate (the ABC one, I didn’t watch the MSNBC one; two in one day is simply painful) that Christians are being discriminated against. He also lied about Catholic charities being FORCED out of business because they refuse to allow gay couples the same adoption rights as heterosexual couples. Not true. But let’s look at the imaginary “discrimination against Christians”, shall we?

    As far as I know, Christians are not asked to leave a business or forced to move. They are allowed to eat in a restaurant or use a bathroom; they can get married in every state in America and can adopt. They can go to their own church and people do not write letters to their local papers demanding that all Christians be “deported.” As far as I know, not one person has ever denied a Christian the right to use a water fountain. So where is this “discrimination” about which Newt Gingrich (and Rick “Brokeback Mountain Jacket” Perry) is so concerned?



    Five Founding Fathers could not get elected today by the Republicans because they were not Fundementalist Christian enough.



  470. Perhaps this is something that we can all agree upon. Please check it out.

    The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) would ruin so much of what’s best about the Internet: They will give the government and corporations new powers to block Americans’ access to sites that are accused of copyright infringement, force sites like YouTube to go to new lengths to police users’ contributions, and put people in prison for streaming certain content online.


    This bill is endorsed by both Republicans and Democrats. It is being pushed as a compromise or improvement over the first bill they tried to past. It is my understanding there is NO real difference. I wonder if any of these politicians have actually read it or cares what is in the bill.


  471. I was but clarifying the origin.

    Then clarify it. Get a set and say it, get it off your chest big man.

    Large numbers. or number of moons in the sky, none of these things excuse murder and gang rape. We will have to agree to disagree.

    Since you punked out , I guess there is no more point in discussing things that are clearly above your pay-grade. I will let you have the final say, until you grow a set or someone loans you one.

    UAW, despite all the grief, that it took to get here, it has been an educational experience. I thought that maybe it was just a collection of loons here, and to some extent its true, but I am finding Liberals everywhere, with the exception in college where the outside world hasn’t taught them different; argue this way.

    To be a non Liberal invites automatic disrespect and attacks. Look at James, he has never once gone after anyone, and for months people pop in and drop insults for no particular reason.

    The contradiction fascinates me. They are cult like in their conviction, but run like rabbits when it comes to defending the rhetoric they spew. I think they suspect the truth of the weakness of their position, but don’t have the..character I guess to admit it. Religions people I will say are very much the same way. In the series of philosophy classes I took, each time we came to talking about religion, and take a critical look at it, we always had at least 2 people walk out and drop the class. One girl said it is against her faith to question it and she wouldn’t be a good Christian if she did so.

  472. Hey Birther-mouse….
    Their just pissed because you haven’t drank the kool-aid….

  473. Bravo, Anonymous at 4:06 and Kat. Well said, both of you.

  474. Can’t we all just get along?

  475. Birther-mouse! You are the bomb! You really need your own blog, dude.
    You’ve got so much to say and it is amazing. Not only WHAT you are saying but HOW you are saying it. Talking out of your ass like that is awesome!
    You rock!

  476. “Kat, What you have described is a crime. Could you provide me with a link that shows him being charged and prosecuted?”

    I gave you a link. Go read it.

    The school district did not file their complaint within the time limit. (People get away all the time with crimes due to statute of limitations.) It does not change the facts of what he did. The state of PA eventually had to give money to the school district themselves to quietly settle the issue.

    I’m an independent voter. I examine who is running in each election, their history, their policies. I have voted for Democrats and Republicans alike since I was old enough to vote. The one thing that I cannot stand though, is a hypocrite and a liar.

    Santorum is a hypocrite and a liar. Whatever your political and spiritual beliefs are, I would hope that you do not support someone who would openly lie to the public he was supposed to represent.

  477. Quoting the Birther:

    “Simon get a grip…no one but you seems to care how or why you came up with your little name. Like all of your other flaws it is more of a testament to who you are than who I am.”

    Birther, you mentioned something about “name calling”; I was but clarifying the origin. You apparently “care” about the subject or you would have moved on.

    “You have debunked nothing. I have 233 confirmed police reports from OWS events. You have zero for Tea Party events. Done deal.”

    The high odds of crime occurring in a group as large as OWS in large cities for weeks at a time, as opposed to relatively small numbers gathered for a few hours, were explained to you; over your head, apparently. So yes, debunked indeed. As was “Obama is a Socialist” (a “Socialist” who championed a Republican health care plan, never mind loading his economic team with Wall Street honchos…not even “social-ish” is that guy), and a video was posted with Tea Party denizens barely able to count to five.
    So yes, debunked.

    “I understand being a bit of a bitch, the old hand shake deals of old, or at least the spirit of them, is something you probably know nothing about or care to entertain. I come from a more basic and simple group of people. Where our word means something, and we have no hidden agenda. I had no ‘gottcha’ question or questions to spring on you. You were whining about me not meeting your standards, and crying that I missed some questions and that it made me a hypocrite. All we know to be untrue. So to answer to your false and misleading claims, I was offering up to level the playing field so neither of us could do as you claim I did. No question ignored, the horse beaten until the other decides the questions are answered to their satisfaction. No room for hypocrisy. It was a terms of engagement for future discussions so we both knew going in the other, if they were a man of their word, could not get away with simply scrolling past and not responding to the points that challenge their beliefs. All you have to do is say…I accept. 2 words. Use 500 if you feel the need to make your excuse not too more believable, but 2 will do if you accept.”

    Above is more evidence of your delusion, Birther, if any was needed. “Future” arguments were on your agenda? Well, that explains…something. But first I would have to be willing to engage a fool in a discussion. Your Birther status renders that almost impossible, never mind my reticence for “shaking your hand”, even figuratively.
    Even so, if you expect me, or anyone else, to pick apart every crackpot comment you make, in order to have a “level playing field” or “equal time” or “gimme attention! Gimme gimme gimme!” or whatever else it may be called, dream on. As noted elsewhere, I have a life beyond this blog and can’t devote more than a few minutes of my time staring at the train wreck of your thought processes. So, no, I will respond to what, if anything, I choose, and you may live with that or not, your choice.

  478. You announced you were leaving and would not be back until the hosts personally invited you. Then you came right back. Evidence you are not a man of your word.

    You attacked Tara Fisher for mentioning that she scrolls by your posts, then announced that you can’t skim past Joe’s posts fast enough. One example in a million that is evidence that you are hypocritical.

    You denounce personal attacks and call Joe “Jo-Gina”, Simon “kiddo” and dozens of other personal insults.

    You made a birther comment. As you planned, you were called on it. You called that a personal attack, yet complain that liberals are perpetual victims.

    You demand answers to your questions but never answer questions directed at you.

    Split hairs. Twisted words. Strawmen. Logical fallacies. Everything you said in your 3:44 post was a stunning, steaming pile of crap.

  479. I’m staying out of the argument because I don’t have time. It is snowing with a ground blizzard at times. .4 inch of snow is barely enough for skiing, even on grass, but given this “winter” I am about to try.

    I respect you too Simon.

    Doris, I was home from college, and as now, I like taking night- time walks. We had a near record cold winter that year and snow was deep.

    A truck driver’s daughter begged her father to take her north because she had never seen snow. They drove into it near Kansas City and they had to stop so she could stand in it and eat a little of the snow.

    By the time they reached a bridge next to our farm, the novelty had worn off, but the girl still enjoyed looking at the snow. The truck skidded and crashed into the bridge approach. The bridge crashed down onto the ice. Luckily the cold weather had created a layer of ice to partly support the truck. The rest was still on the bridge section.

    I heard the noise and walked over to investigate. The girl was screaming and worried about her silent father. I told her not to worry, because the Highway Patrol would soon be there. Was she hurt? “No. I just can’t get out. How long will it be?”

    A Highway Patrolman stopped and called for help. He asked the girl about herself to ease her fears. Her father made a few inchoate comments at times. The twisted metal had trapped them, but the girl was fine and her father didn’t seem to be in such dire straights. The girl was about 14, and as she talked, her mood improved.

    No one had remembered to disconnect the battery cables. A fire started and the patrolman ran to his car to get a fire extinguisher. I don’t know if it was due to the cold weather or not, but it failed. We tried to throw snow on the fire, but it quickly grew too large. The girl frantically twisted and pulled to free herself and cried “NO NO PLEASE NO!!!”

    The father yelled that the patrolman needed to shoot them. Both then begged to be shot. The patrolman held the girl’s hand until it got too hot. It was hard to let the realty sink in. I felt I was watching something separated from us. As help arrived, I walked home.

    As I relive this, I think how pointless it all is. The arguments here don’t mean anything, and they, like us will be gone without a trace. Why do we waste our time? I think of the girl who never had a chance to live her life and of all of the others I never met. I was useless that night and on another day when a girl I knew was brought into our base hospital. She was scared, though not as frightened as the girl in the truck, but she was afraid she might die. I teased her and told her she would be fine.

    She died two hours later of spinal meningitis.

    I need to be alone now, and I am going to ski before I get morose.

  480. Simon get a grip…no one but you seems to care how or why you came up with your little name. Like all of your other flaws it is more of a testament to who you are than who I am.

    You have debunked nothing. I have 233 confirmed police reports from OWS events. You have zero for Tea Party events. Done deal.

    I understand being a bit of a bitch, the old hand shake deals of old, or at least the spirit of them, is something you probably know nothing about or care to entertain. I come from a more basic and simple group of people. Where our word means something, and we have no hidden agenda. I had no “gottcha” question or questions to spring on you. You were whining about me not meeting your standards, and crying that I missed some questions and that it made me a hypocrite. All we know to be untrue. So to answer to your false and misleading claims, I was offering up to level the playing field so neither of us could do as you claim I did. No question ignored, the horse beaten until the other decides the questions are answered to their satisfaction. No room for hypocrisy. It was a terms of engagement for future discussions so we both knew going in the other, if they were a man of their word, could not get away with simply scrolling past and not responding to the points that challenge their beliefs. All you have to do is say…I accept. 2 words. Use 500 if you feel the need to make your excuse not too more believable, but 2 will do if you accept.

  481. Quoth the Birther:

    “Simon, thanks for joining the party here. Back to Jr. High name calling. Have at it kiddo.”

    Well, Birther, now you have a name at least. You’re the one who help choose it, with your astounding revelation. I hope the hordes of conservatives you are bringing to this “party” will know of your crackpot beliefs. If they share them they are no more to be taken seriously than you.
    Your contentions, “Obama’s a Socialist!” “Occupy is made up of violent thugs!!” “The Tea Party has only intelligent people!!!”, have been debunked.

    Meanwhile, you still refuse to tell me what it is you want to know from me. I’ll entertain such a list, for the moment. Now step up. Or shut up.

  482. Per UAW’s link.
    I have to wonder where the outcry is for the violence we KNOW the OWS are responsible for. Tea Party events are almost completely without any violence. This women’s description of how events should be is exactly how the Tea Party event was I attended, and is exactly the way it is when we hold events at the local college. OWS, not even close. I think she needs to worry more about her own than the Tea Party. The only thing the Tea Party is guilty of is having a clear message and the conviction to see it through. The down side of this is that it makes them an easier target for Liberal ridicule and attacks.

  483. LOL, time for you to “step up”, Birther.

    Back to Jr. High name calling. Have at it kiddo.

  484. Simon, thanks for joining the party here.

  485. “Since i seem to be singled out” translated is “since I insist on being the center of attention”

  486. UAW, I “like” the comment that everyone should have the same health coverage as members of Congress. The rest, well, more vituperative caterwauling from the haters; regrettable, but to be expected.
    As for having extra security due to death threats, in this environment I am sure death threats are a daily occurrence for members of Congress and other public officials. The problem is with the easy access to high capacity weapons. I don’t know what security short of a small military detail would have been prepared for what Loughner brought to the proceedings.

  487. Simon…maybe I should have said”comments”…….like the comments at the bottom….

  488. Great post, as usual.l And whoever this “anonymous” person is, they should get off the computer and find a good therapist.

  489. never know what you’ll find…..

  490. James, 18 is a pretty impressionable age to witness such a horrific
    scene. Police and firemen are trained to deal with such traumas on a daily basis, but not 18 year-olds. How and where were you that you happened to see the incident?

  491. Quoting UAW
    “and the rebuttal….


    I like the comment….”

    It’s unfortunate that you “like the comment”, UAW, since he is a very sad and bitter man. His bitterness is understandable, of course, but saying he wants to “vomit” whenever he sees a survivor suggests he is as wrapped up in political bias as the DNC chairperson. We expect politics from politicians, but this man’s grief is being exploited.

  492. Quote the Birther:
    “simon..step up or dont..leave the rest behind.”

    LOL, time for you to “step up”, Birther. I’ll let you off the hook, you don’t have to answer what you bitterly called my “precious questions”. I answered one of yours and as I have asked you innumerable times, what else do you want to know?
    Simple question really, it shouldn’t be too much for even a birther.

    “since i seem to be singled out lets see if we cant attract some more conservatives from multiple other places to come make a home here..even the playing field.”

    Birther, you’re “singled out” because you are exceptionally foolish. You certainly need reinforcements. The other conservatives here make a reasoned argument, based on facts as they perceive them, not junk food fed to them by Winger media. Note the respect given to James, for example. Clearly, no one here suffers fools gladly. That’s why you are having such a difficult experience here.
    That and your own idiocy.

  493. bigmouth Schultz is at it again…..


    and the rebuttal….


    I like the comment….

  494. delurkergurl….
    just replying to anon…..but the Dow was at 14,903 on 10/12/2007 and Obama had declared back in Feb 2007…..so Obama starts running and it drops to 8297…….yea ……I’m flamethrowing…..Republicans took over the House and the Dow goes from appx. 10,500 to 12,428……how about the Dems took over the House and Senate(JAn 2007) and the Dow went from a appx. 12,400 down to 8297……quite a mandate…..

  495. Ive always kept this place to myself from my fellow conservatives and independant friends. didnt want to see it get overrun..to many on both sides makes it hard to talk sometimes. ill give it 24 hrs…if i can keep it to myself..i will. or keep the status as it is and we can let the cat out of the bag.

  496. naa not put to sleep. funny how professing love for Jesus got 8 people who never post to show up and insult bomb though. nice thing about owning a lan center. 31 ip’s alone in my shop, more than 50 more available in range and 15 more near home. but we are cool..simon..step up or dont..leave the rest behind. since i seem to be singled out lets see if we cant attract some more conservatives from multiple other places to come make a home here..even the playing field.

  497. PeoplesView outlines components of the Affordable Care Act: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/01/comprehensive-achievements-of-obamacare.html

    There’s a lot of good in there. I didn’t know about the 10% tax on use of indoor tanning beds. I doubt that money will go for skin cancer treatment, so I oppose that part as a component of the affordable care act itself.

    UAW, do you have any evidence of cause there, or are you just flame throwing? :D

    Terri, don’t count on it. I doubt they’d put him out, and even if they did it’s very easy to come back as someone else. Remember, this is the guy who vowed never to come back here unless invited by the blog hosts. That lasted for about 5 seconds. Amazing, considering his obsession with Obama’s broken promises. Maybe his wife got sick of his obsession with us, but it seems like she’d view it as a tremendous favor. Maybe he spilled something on his keyboard.

  498. so the stock market was at 8279.63 when Obama got inaugurated and is now at 12,422….and was 14,903 until it looked like he would win….

  499. Simon, you might want to know that the offending “anonymous” has apparently been “put to sleep” by the powers that be.

    Let the dancing begin.

  500. Quoth the Birther:
    “Whatever excuse works for you Simon..you were a little chatter box until I presented those terms…then as all Liberals do, you became suddenly too good to play anymore. Funny how it always happens exactly after I make it so you are held accountable. Just sayin.”

    LOL, still chattering away yourself I see, eh Birther (my new name for you)? I answered one of your “questions” and asked what else you wanted to know. You may still, if you’re still here, tell me what else you want to know, but know this also, I obviously gave you way too much credit at the beginning, and will find it very hard to take you seriously now.

  501. I just checked. While snow dumps on you, we have blowing dust. Some of it is sand deposited by the flood.

  502. akaskpi, thanks for the pictures. I want to go to Nome too.

    The most snow cover I remember was close to five feet, but it fell over a period of weeks. I hope you get a break soon.

    Do you know how close all of that snow is to a record? Has the temperature been much different from normal?

    We finally have a strong northern front with our wind gusting to 45 to 50 MPH, and the promise of a dusting of snow. This might be the first manifestation of a high pressure ridge building into the Bering Sea and eastern Siberia–but not today. I have checked the Alaskan weather and see some of you will be dumped on again.

  503. James- we’ve had 73″ here so far this year, Valdez has had 297″, Cordova on the order of 180″- for year to date totals of 6 ft, almost 25 ft, and about 15 ft respectively.
    The Nome fuel tanker story is one we’re all watching here. That whopper fall storm didn’t allow for normal fuel barge delivery.and ice up right afterwards precluded any normal barge delivery until spring. Fuel can be flown in but was expected to raise price to around $9.00 gallon.Fuel company decided to try this approach.
    Only one icebreaker though- the Healy.
    Icebreakers are big political deal here with the Arctic Ocean having so much less ice overall now and Canada and Russia stepping up looking at more polar shipping etc.


    choose the Jan 2012 pic set and you can go to Nome too :-)

  504. Stephen Colbert on health insurance and Papa Johns


  505. The last one was mine. Pioneers recorded the effects of one of our worst winters in the 1850′s. Snow fall totaled in the feet, and people had to dig down to free their livestock from sheds. Freezing rain also left a layer of ice which cut browsers’ feet.

    Deer and elk became extinct for fifty years, though -half starved Indians and pioneers helped the weather wipe them out. The winter also contributed to the Spirit Lake Massacre.

    I read that Nome is nearly out of heating fuel and a Russian trawler with the help of two US ice breakers is trying to break through sea ice to deliver the fuel.

  506. Doris, I was 18 when it happened. I promised myself that I would live a good life to give meaning to their deaths. Later in the service and beyond, when times were hard, their deaths played through my head. Nothing compared to their live cremation. I’ve learned to control the dreams and Scandinavian folk music helps too.

    Mitt isn’t drinking, he is calculating and pandering like a businessman. He is painting himself as a conservative because he has to. He is marketing himself to appeal to the market. If he wins the nomination, he will probably shift closer to the center to win more customers as he has to appeal to a wider audience.

    I agree, “I like to fire people” is being taken out of context, but his Republican and later Democratic opponents will use it as they try to destroy him. Hoist by his own pitard would be ironic though who’s pitard is still debatable..

  507. Well my goodness. Looks like the Ass Hat that highjacked this blog has finally been silenced. Thank you to the powers that be.

    More Margaret and Helen. Less Ass Hats! :-)

  508. Gosh, Helen and Margaret. I thought surely that after New Hampshire there would be a really good comment from you. I swear that even though he is a Mormon that Mitt has been drinking! “I like to fire people” and he is only talking about insurance companies that do not allow the insured to take their policy with them to another job? Hey, thats what Romneycare cured! Anyone in MA on Romneycare could take the policy with them from job to job and Obamacare simply copied that!

  509. Go with God always. Jesus could be speaking directly through Anonymous which is probably what Jesus would do so as not to draw too much attention. That is why I listen and understand that Jesus is involved in the elections this year. Jesus will touch Rick Perry or Rick Santorum in South Carolina. He said no to Michele Bachmann because he knows that it will take a man to end abortion and kill terrorist.

  510. ssshhhh. Nobody move. I think he’s gone?!?!?!



  512. Everyone needs to just leave this poor anonymous guy alone. He obviously has no balls and this is what happens to men who have lost thier balls.
    Although, I bet he sings real pretty like now. Go with God, Anon, sing his praises with your pretty voice. Balls aren’t everything. Look at Newt.

  513. Cynthia-
    The deep snow winters are very, very hard on browsing animals like moose and deer. They often starve to death and sometimes in great numbers. In the case of deer in Southeast they will often come down to the beaches all over the inland passage islands and try to eat seaweed.
    The caribou further north handle cold fine but deep snows take a lot of pawing through to get at lichens they eat and that wastes a lot of energy so they can have a rough time too.
    We only have Lynx here- they mostly eat Arctic hare as I understand it. If there is enough browse above the snow hares do ok- and then so do lynx.
    Wolves- hard to tell. Lots of stories of them taking down worn out deer and/or moose and doing ok .

  514. Great post, Helen! Just learned about you from my son. Keep up the good work!

  515. I think Margaret & Helen will get tired of him soon. Lord knows we have…

  516. Poor thing needs his own blog. Probably no followers though. He would have to read his own posts and comment on same. Sad life that.

  517. I do love Helen, but I’ve had enough of this “Anonoymous” freak.
    Anyway we could vote it off the island?

  518. Anonymouse…..be gone. (you ass wipe)

  519. Gi-Jo-Gina- I am a Conservative. I do not love war. I do love Jesus. The rest is just meaningless sensationalism to drive traffic to your website. Keep it in your pants you animal rights lover you.

  520. GOOGLE SANTORUM: Keep Frothy #1


    CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS: You like war. You like torture. You like Jesus. I don’t know how in the hell any of that is compatible, but no one ever accused you haters of being over-committed to ideological consistency. You like people who look like you or at least hate most of the things that you hate. You hate everything else.

    Now, I know you profess to love our country and the founding fathers (unless you are reminded that they believed in the separation of church and state), but I need to remind you that America is NOT what Fox News says it is. America is a melting pot, it always has been. We are a multi-cultural amalgamation of all kinds of people, and yet you still demonize everyone who is not a rich, white, heterosexual christian male or his submissive and obedient wife.

    You hate liberals, moderates, hell, anyone who disagrees with Conservative dogma as espoused by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. You hate em.


  521. Will the original Anonymous, if there is one, please step forward and state by whose authority he/she/it can dictate the terms under which any discussion can be conducted here at Margaret and Helens.

  522. alaskapi – How does the wildlife (deer, rabbits, birds?, wolves, big cats) fare in snow that deep?



    Rick Perry says Romney at Bain was Vulture Capitalism


    Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry asserted on Tuesday that both former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Bain Capital, the firm he founded, were “vultures” for preying on distressed companies.

    During a town hall event in Fort Mill, S.C, the Texas governor amplified an attack on Romney that’s being made by a super PAC which supports former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. The Super PAC’s film “When Mitt Romney Came to Town” accuses the Republican frontrunner of “looting” companies during his time as the head of Bain Capital.

  524. Anon and Simon…its all name calling and words, your stuck in Jr. High I see…whatever works for you guys I guess…let me know when you are ready to go to the adult table…till then just hang out with Gi-Jo-Gina.


    Me thinks anonymouse needs to get a job.


  526. “Funny how it always happens exactly after I make it so you are held accountable. Just sayin.”

    Says the hypocrisy MACHINE.

  527. Whatever excuse works for you Simon..you were a little chatter box until I presented those terms…then as all Liberals do, you became suddenly too good to play anymore. Funny how it always happens exactly after I make it so you are held accountable. Just sayin.

  528. Quoting “Anonymous”

    “Simon, I offered up a level playing field, you were not up for it. Should you care to step up under the terms I laid out.fair and equitable for both, lets do it.”

    I was not up for what? Conversing with someone who gets his limited opinions masquerading as “facts” from Right Wing media? A birther, no less? Please. You have lost what little credibility you may have briefly had.

  529. Cynthia, Puppet, Alaskapie, Margret, Helen and others, if I could get your mailing address I would love to send you a Christmas Card. I know it is a bit late but I just found it..and it is PERFECT!!!


  530. Kind of interesting how the media is trying to direct traffic when it comes to who the Republican nominee is going to be. While I don’t care much about their opinion, the fact news sources are being so manipulative is upsetting.

  531. Anon, the offer stands.every question answered without exception..as long as you do the same. Lets put your hypocrisy theory to the test.

  532. James, yours is a sad story. How old were you at the truck fire experience?

  533. You deny being a hypocritical lying coward but the evidence tells a different story. Specific examples of your words & behavior are quoted verbatim without twisting or weakly casting straw men around.

  534. “It is ok when Libs do it because they never claimed to have any ethical standards of values. Love it!!!”

    No, it isn’t OK when Libs do it. Crooked is crooked.

    I was simply pointing out the bonus hypocrisy of this specific situation.

    Apparently you endorse what Santorum did.

  535. ?This, on the other hand, is an ethics complaint about a man who served in the Ethics and Policy Center and campaigns on his stellar values.?

    This makes me chuckle. It is ok when Libs do it because they never claimed to have any ethical standards of values. Love it!!!

  536. By: Anonymous on January 10, 2012
    at 10:22 AM “At least you haven’t denied that you are a hypocrite, a liar, and a coward. That’s a crumb of integrity, I suppose.

    Actually I do deny it. I have offered up freely, most recently to Simon, the offer of a level playing field, I will answer any questioned asked, allow you to beat horse until you are satisfied, if you will do the same So far everyone has backed down because Liberals know they lose the moment they are held accountable.

    So line is in the sand, step up! I will put my ideology up against yours anytime, the catch is the playing field is level and fair.

  537. Surely you know that many crimes go unprosecuted. See “paperwork error protected his ass”.

    This, on the other hand, is an ethics complaint about a man who served in the Ethics and Policy Center and campaigns on his stellar values. He used his non-primary residence to collect education funds, despite having the means to pay for that education himself. If it were a Democrat you would be frothing all over about this. Typical rethuglican double standard.

    Did you bother to read the link? You expect others to endure yours. More hypocrisy.

  538. Kat, What you have described is a crime. Could you provide me with a link that shows him being charged and prosecuted?

  539. I apologize if this has been said already, but Santorum is a liar and a thief.


    He conned his own state out of ~$100,000 in education funds for his kids when he didn’t even live in the damn state. His actual residence in Virginia wasn’t in a school district that would pay him for his kid’s cyber school, so he lied and stated his residence was in PA (even though his Pittsburg home sat vacant all but 30 days of the year by his own admission).

    A paperwork error protected his ass and now the looney thinks he can be president. The little con man passed it off as a politically based attack, but that’s a steaming pile of horse shit. He took advantage of the system and took money away from the public schools.

  540. “The last-minute injection [$5mm check for the Gingrich campaign] underscores how the 2010 landmark Supreme Court ruling on campaign finance has made it possible for a wealthy individual to influence an election. Mr. Adelson’s contribution to the super PAC is 1,000 times the $5,000 he could legally give directly to Mr. Gingrich’s campaign this year.”


  541. It is entertaining to listen to Newt attack Mitt for profit taking at the expense of the workers and customers who make corporate empires possible.

  542. What “passed me by”? That the market continued the Bush free fall while Obama was busy being sworn in? Split the hair and use either the closing number or the opening number. I don’t care. What does that change the result? A percent or two? When you’re talking about a 50% rebound in the market, a one day drop doesn’t take much away from that. Frankly, I think your response was petty.

  543. I think it is a shame how no one had a welcome home for our current returning vets, they deserved better.

    When my Dad came home from Vietnam, he was different than my Grandfather who was in WWII. My Grandfather never spoke of his experiences in WWII, and I regret that he never shared with me those experiences. My Dad did share and his stories were terrible. He was a sniper for the intelligence agency. Problem was he got to like what he was doing a little bit too much. After the war ended he had to spend 6 years in a rehabilitation camp before they would place him back with the general public.

  544. Could be anon. My point was Cynthia’s general statement was almost exactly what I heard at a Tea Party, and I agree with it.

    Thank you alaskapi. I have a flare for the dramatic.

    “The truck is on fire
    with screams floating above
    They cry with the metal resting on top
    But the sight is so pretty

    My therapist said to dream of you no more
    You’re like a disease without any cure
    He said I’m so obscessed
    that I’ve become a bore
    but the sight was so pretty

    Armed myself with kitchen knives and skewers
    Locked my house and prayed
    But you came in through the door.
    I locked you out
    Then, you swept through the wall

    I woke with you crying next to me
    when I thought I was alone
    You’re driving me crazy
    Why can’t you leave me alone?”

    You already know that I re- fought metaphorical battles when many people mostly now gone attacked me, and you also know I am glad they are gone and hope their hatred of me drove them away.

    I know what Juneau Joe is talking about regarding returning soldiers who were damaged. I’m doing fine. I am a survivor, not a victim, but I am different from who I was.

  545. Sorry the obvious passed you buy. 330 point drop upon his inauguration.

  546. And closed at 7949. Way to contribute! Whatev.

  547. Barrack Obama’s inauguration was on the 20th of January 2009.
    The Dow opened at 8279.63 on 1/20/09.

  548. “Way to contribute. So what stock did your Crazy 8 globe tell you to invest in today?”

    Way to contribute. What did Glenn Beck tell you to think today?

  549. I suppose you have some knowledge on the topic of personal attacks and hate, as the master of the craft.

  550. At least you haven’t denied that you are a hypocrite, a liar, and a coward. That’s a crumb of integrity, I suppose.

  551. Party of personal attacks and hate..thanks fpr helping prove alaskpie wrong.

    And what a surprise Gi-Jo-Gina has no response. Wow…just wow.


    Some Daily Newt:
    Newt Gingrich is now doing exactly what everyone in the Republican Party was afraid he was going to do: destroy them utterly if they decline to nominate him. It’s no surprise really, since this has been Newt’s MO for decades, but it sure is a helluva spectacle.

    If Newt is going down, he’s taking the Republican Party with him. Because he’s entitled to this nomination.

    And everybody wants a candidate who is having his strings pulled by a long line of badly coifed women in tawdry affairs being ravished by Newt’s passion for America in the backseat of a foreign made car, a Vegas casino owner, and several guys down at the bowling alley who think “that ole Newt, he’s real smart.”

    I love yew, Newt. You’re swanky.



  553. The Dow was 7949 on Obama’s inauguration day. Right now it is 12360. Not bad. My stocks have gone up almost 50% since that day. I have regained what I’d lost and gained some more.

  554. I left out coward. Hypocritical lying coward.

    (do it for anonymous)

    Facts: Why Michelle Bachmann got out of the race, From the Onion – good stuff.



  556. Anonymous on January 10, 2012
    at 10:10 AM

    Way to contribute. So what stock did your Crazy 8 globe tell you to invest in today?

  557. Jo-Gina, no one wants war, stop being a sheep. Tell you what kiddo, Mr. War vet, tell us what you would do with the following news reported today.

    (AP) — Diplomats on Monday confirmed a report that Iran has begun uranium enrichment at an underground bunker and said the news is particularly worrying because the site is being used to make material that can be upgraded more quickly for use in a nuclear weapon than the nation’s main enriched stockpile.

    The diplomats said that centrifuges at the Fordo site near Iran’s holy city of Qom are churning out uranium enriched to 20 percent. That level is higher than the 3.5 percent being made at Iran’s main enrichment plant and can be turned into fissile warhead material faster and with less work.

  558. Social security isn’t broke.


  559. Anonymous said:

    “Taru Fisher, if you feel the need to tell others who you scroll by and it gives you peace of mind, go for it. I am sure we would all love to hear next time you file your nails or consult your crazy 8 globe for financial advice. Keep us up to date ok?”


    “Between Jo-Gina’s pro sterilization, pro animal/human relations, I can’t skip past him fast enough.”


    Also, too, claiming Joe is “pro sterilization, pro animal/human relations” is a lie.

    Anonymous = hypocritical liar

  560. So to leave the deception that Liberals put out there that, unfortunately works to confuse the public, lets review once again the spirit of what I was saying, even if Cynthia cannot. As is often done is business, lets look at the end assessment.

    1) The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 237 years
    to get it right and it is broke.

    Now I will do what Cynthia cannot do and say she has 1 valid point here. But it is again exactly what I said, she just used a semantic point to attempt to avoid having to directly agree with me. Congress is breaking the Postal Service intentionally. The reason the postal service it going broke is because of a Congressional mandate for them to prepay retiree health benefits to the tune of 5.5 billion dollars a year some 75 years in advance of the need for them. It is the only agency, public or private that is required to pay benefits for employees not yet born. Lastly, since Congress will not return the more than $50 billion already paid in, nor will it excuse the postal service from making these payments.

    2) Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 77 years to get it
    right and it is broke.

    Anyone want to say this is working?

    3) Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 74 years to get it right
    and it is broke.

    4) War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 48 years to get it right;
    $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to “the
    poor” and they only want more..

    How many broken programs and misuse or poor use of fund stories would I have to produce to convince anyone this is broke? There are hundreds and you know it.

    5) Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 47 years
    to get it right and they are broke.

    Now we know Cynthia agrees with this one, otherwise why would we need Messiah-care?

    6) Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 42 years to get it right
    and it is broke.

    Who wants to say this program is working as intended?

    7) The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
    on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 35 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

    Anyone want to stand up and defend this agency?

    So again back to my central point, why do we want to trust our health care to trust (Cynthia place whatever semantic label you want here) Government with our heath care when they have this kind of track record?

  561. AlaskaPi:

    I will also add drug problems which started in Nam. My orders for Nam were postponed 2 weeks before I was to go on leave and then Nam. The war was cut back because of the protests and I did not go to Nam.

    Many who went did not know if they would die each day. They had ready access to drugs and many took them. I knew many who came back from Nam taking drugs regularly. I had friends come back blind, with arms or legs amputated, mental issues and drug problems. War is not the macho kick ass time which many tell stories about.

    Now the Republicans want to go back into Iraq and start a new war in Iran.


  562. JuneauJoe and James-
    I am glad you both came home and went on to make decent lives for yourselves.
    One of the saddest, sorriest chapters of public opinion in my lifetime was the swirl of behavior surrounding soldiers returning from Viet Nam. Some VFW chapters called them whiners and a lot of hawks stood firmly against any notion of PTSD or acknowledging the disparities in the draft across economic groups. Way too many peers took their frustration with a government they couldn’t seem to get to listen out on the returning DRAFTED vets in destructive nasty ways.

    We were way too long aknowledging health problems associated with handling Agent Orange, PTSD, and the failure of our public self to welcome home those we demanded do our bidding…
    The list is endless.
    In my family we buried too many. We didn’t get to have but one coming home party which wasn’t about following a casket to a hole in the ground. One.
    Welcome home boys, welcome home.


    Jon Stewart on Pios baloney and the recent debates. Very Good



  564. James
    I still think we are making a non point here. Government’s job is to carry out the policies of our President and Congress. They are the “wheels to the ground.” But government doesn’t make policy. Government does what it is instructed to do. Government as it is set up does not have the capability, if they are performing their job, to do things right or wrong. They just “do.”

    Cynthia took the cheap way out as Liberals often do, and took exception to my using the word Government in my list of programs that are not working. In true Liberal fashion, she gave a new definition to define government, saying no one in office is in government to try to discredit what I was saying without having to take on the ideological meaning of my point. It is pure deception.

  565. Anon, our government is one of the best in the world. Most of its employees do work hard and do their jobs. The people who operate our government are at fault.

    Politicians are our employees who we can hire and fire. Too many believe they are our rulers, sometimes for life. They believe and we owe them our allegance and regard us as subjects.

    Cynthia will disagree, but I believe Obama and many Democrats as well as Republicans deserve to be fired. Obama and the Democrats want to “break the government” to say it doesn’t work. Obama has a bad economic record, so he seems to be copying Harry Truman’s “do nothing Congress” strategy to save his job. I also believe Democrats are attempting to force their agenda through Congress while Tea Party representatives are just as determined to stop them. Thus, we have an impass.

    A man dressed as Tom Pane said almost verbatum what Cynthia said, and the crowd cheered. The general terms are what I agree with.


    Santorum DID NOT say black! Stephen Colbert investigated, here are the results.



  567. Cynthia, that only reason your noise hole closes is because I find flaws in your argument, so you retreat. just sayin.

  568. I laid out my opinion as black and white as I knew how so you could understand it. But Obama etc. are politicians and are in the grey or gray area and I know you have difficulty with those shades. There is no reason for me to go further.



    National polls today showed Romney beating Obama by one point.

    MORE THAN HALF of American voters are for the following policies:

    Increasing taxes on the poor.
    Decreasing taxes on the rich.
    Busting Unions.
    Reducing wages and salaries.
    Reducing minimum wages.
    Reducing Social Security benefits.
    Halting unemployment payments.
    Denying gay men and women same rights as others.
    Big government control of women’s reproductive rights.
    Sending troops back to Iraq.
    Increasing troops in Afghanistan.
    New war with Iran.
    Rounding up 10 million Hispanics to put in camps.
    No gun controls at all.
    Handing Social Security to Wall Street.
    Deregulating Wall Street, Bankers and Lenders.
    Forcing Christianity into politics and government.


  570. As I read Cynthia’s post again I can’t help but thinking this is a battle of pointlessness. More to the point deception.

    Government as Cynthia would redefine, is akin to the muscles in our body. While they do everything to get things done, the muscles have no decision making power. They cannot do anything without first receiving instructions. To say they work, while accurate, really means nothing if the brain isn’t sending instructions to tell the muscles what to do.

    So great, government works, but in the end this deceleration is ultimately irreverent. Our “Politicians” will always be, have always been, in control of our government. Unless of course you are suggesting a revolution to change how our society works to give the “government” the freedom to act of its own accord?

    So what part, I’m curious James, do you agree with?


    The Republican Presidential Candidates speak:



  572. I agree with Cynthia and Mageen. Could they be stealth Tea Partiers? I heard a speaker at a protest say almost exactly what Cynthia wrote.

    I Googled myself. Now, I feel dirty.

  573. Cynthia
    So Obama…is not in our government? And Congress, none of them are in our government? Our Vice President, Out Secretary of State, they are not in our government? Is this a new form of government Liberals are tying to teach now?

    Sorry Mageen in my haste to scroll past Jo-Gina’s bestiality fetish I missed the context of your response. Between Jo-Gina’s pro sterilization, pro animal/human relations, I can’t skip past him fast enough.

  574. Nice story, Juneau Joe. I was drafted too, but I didn’t want to be in the Army. I enlisted in the Air Force and applied to graduate school. My “greetings, you are hereby inducted into the United States Army’ letter came the same day, a university offered me a scholarship.

    The Air Force and Army fought over me for three weeks before I knew my future.

    I didn’t see much wealth-based favoritism in the Air Force.

    I did see people who didn’t want to hire my kind when I returned to the US. I was told to lie about my military service if I wanted a good job. At least you had a job. I was angry and bitter at the unfairness of it all, but it made me stronger.

    I’m sure you are stronger than you would have been too. You are also stronger than the young scions of bosses who got a free ride. Romney was a missionary in France. He never experienced what we did. He will likely never know how he would behave in the face of real danger. At an elemental level we are richer than most of those folks.

  575. Wow, who would have thought Mageen would be for smaller government. Welcome Mageen

  576. While the details of the Obama unilateral disarmament program remain to be fully fleshed out, the broad outlines are bad enough:

    Our military will be cut sharply in size.

    It will be denied vital modernization programs – the absence of which ensures the remaining force will be ill-equipped to contend with present dangers, let alone those in the offing.

    The retrofitting of existing equipment, much of it badly degraded in the course of a decade of war, will be stretched out or abandoned altogether. This will exacerbate the risks associated with the Obama administration’s failure to modernize the armed forces’ kit.

    The United States will no longer be present in the places and/or numbers necessary to safeguard our interests around the world. It is predictable that the resulting power vacuums will be filled as such “peace dividend”-induced vacuums have been in the past: at our expense and to our detriment.

    The administration risks breaking faith with the men and women in uniform by reneging on commitments made in the way of health care, pensions and other benefits. When combined with other assaults on the culture of the military, pursued in furtherance of the administration’s domestic political agenda (and without regard for the impact on readiness, recruitment or retention), these changes may make a continued reliance on an all-volunteer force unsustainable.]
    The nation’s nuclear forces will be allowed to atrophy further through 1) a failure to modernize, test and properly maintain them and 2) as a result of further cuts in their numbers. The latter will probably include the elimination of an entire “leg” of the Strategic Triad. The result will be not the President’s publicly stated goal, namely of “ridding the world of nuclear weapons.” Rather, it will simply be to rid the United States of its deterrent forces at a time when they are likely to be more needed than ever.

    This potentially disastrous aspect of the Obama program for unilateral disarmament is being compounded by one other phenomenon: the President’s continuing and deeply ideological hostility towards missile defenses that might mitigate the danger posed by ballistic missiles now proliferating among states – and even terrorist groups like Hezbollah – that are virulently hostile to this country and our friends. Worse yet, the administration is reportedly determined to flout a statute governing the sharing of missile defense-related information and technology with the Russians. In the process, Team Obama will almost surely compromise what little there is of our capabilities to provide defenses against missiles delivering electro-magnetic and other weapons of mass destruction.


  577. Cynthia, you have hit a spot with me that absolutely resonates! I vividly remember in the past 20 or so years a certain party claiming that government was the problem which they believed gave themselves carte blanche to get elected and then screw things up on purpose because government was the problem. In their view, they were doing the right thing! Look what it got us!

  578. A Republican who will vote for President Obama in 2012. Great Article


    The Republican Party refuses to give full rights and liberty to same sex couples.
    The Republican Party refuses to craft real solutions to the problem of high healthcare costs. Our healthcare costs are the highest in the world, and rising. Our public servants need to be developing solutions that bring heathcare costs into line with the rest of the world.
    The Republican Party refuses to acknowledge the individual rights of women to control their own medical decisions and body.
    The Republican Party refuses to address the real solutions towards lowering the deficit. Any person who says they would oppose a plan that contains a ratio of $10 in spending cutsfor every $1 in tax increases simply does not have enough of an education in economics to participate in the discussion.


  579. “Government broke things you claim work. So why would we want more of what is breaking things? Why would we want those that are breaking other programs in charge of our healthcare?”

    No government did not break those things. Politicians broke those programs.

    The workers of all these different agencys/departments/programs do their jobs pretty well. They are the government. And yes a little downsizing and organizing is in order but they do the job they are given to do. Again they are the government.

    Politicians – Politicians work for us….well they should do what is in the people best interest but too many of them are actually working for an industry or corporation. They make the rules and regulations the government worker is suppost to follow. They make rules that make it difficult for the government to work but in the best interest of the industry they represent.

    Today many politician’s goal is to break the government so they can say government doesn’t work! But the real goal is to privatize in many cases. (Then we can pay far more and get much less.)

    We, the American people tend to do a very poor job of electing people who believe in the government. We elect people who think of it as just an “entry level” job to the mega bucks they will make in the private sector/corportate world.

    Get rid of the politicians and government would work very well!


  580. GOOGLE;; SANTORUM, keep FROTHY #1 (for Anonymous)

    Anon: Your efforts put Frothy back in first place again – Thanks again.
    When you get a Thank You for Santorum, remind him that it was a team effort – not just you, who made it possible.


  581. There may be hope yet. Good news, good news!


  582. MITT PROTESTING Vietnam Protesters. Mitt then conveniently went to France for 2 years while thousands were drafted, including me.




    Santorum News: He would have the bedroom police. Bigger Government and less rights. Santorum is against the pursuit of happiness.



  584. The disturbing trend of our government eroding our freedoms continue. We want more government why?



    Just got to say. I am doing pretty good. Actually, you would hope to do as well. My story is true.

    GOOGLE SANTORUM: Keep Frothy #1

  586. Jo-Gina, nice piece of fiction. Are we supposed to feel sorry for you? Do people wear their bank statements in your world? Scores and scores of rich kid, and your Cinderella? Maybe if you stopped whining how unfair life is, and spent less time worry about what others did or didn’t do, and stopped being the victim, maybe your life would have amounted to something. just sayin!

  587. I’m not making this up. It’s from the Daily Beast.

    Rick Perry is slightly trailing Buddy Roemer in New Hampshire, according to the latest Suffolk University tracking poll out of the state. Roemer was the governor of Louisiana in the late 1980s and early ’90s. He announced the start of his 2012 presidential campaign back in July and has been virtually ignored ever since.

    This is just a guess on my part, but I bet Rick would be polling better if everybody had just ignored him, too.


    For Anonymous:


    A great cartoon of intolerance by conservatives. A great one!


    UAW: I got drafted during VietNam. I saw wealthy kids who did not have to go because of their monied families. I had guard members tell me their daddies got the draft board to put them in the guard instead of being drafted. I worked with wealthy kids who needed their first job in the family business. I did most of the work and they got much more money than I. They did not have to work the hours I did but had bigger pay checks. I did their work. I was the one who was threatened with the pink slip – not the wealthy kid. I got to spend a summer catching chickens – wish I could have had the connection to get the security job when I was 18.


  589. hey JJ….
    wikipedia has a little different aspect on Mitt’s early life…..2.5 years in France as an LDS Missionary, a draft # of 300, and a summer job as a security guard at a Chrysler plant(?????didn’t his dad run AMC)…….

  590. The salary for full-time employees (called “associates”) is $6 to $7.50 an hour

    Wouldn’t this be illegal? That is below minimum wage.

  591. Your second list – many of them work just fine but too many politicians said – if it works, break it. And so they did. The End.

    So let me get this straight, they work u they don’t work? ..ok

    Even so your statement backs mine. Government broke things you claim work. So why would we want more of what is breaking things? Why would we want those that are breaking other programs in charge of our healthcare?

  592. Speaking at a Nashua Chamber of Commerce breakfast Monday, Mr. Romney began by noting he did not always hold high-level positions. Rather, he said he started off “at the entry level.”

    Ah yes.

    Willard started out like every other slob — whose father happened to be the CEO of the American Motors, governor of Michigan and held a cabinet-level position in the Nixon administration. Who grew up in one of the five wealthiest cities in the U.S. and who attended an exclusive prep school — then went to college at Stanford and Harvard. Who, at the height of the Vietnam War, spent two and a half years running around in France.

    Yep, he’s a real-life Horatio Alger character, that Willard.

    All this makes Willard’s “equal opportunities” BS

    GOOGLE: SANTORUM, Keep FROTHY #1 (for Anonymous)

  593. Homer Simpson goes Glenn Beck


    Walmart: We kept a Super WalMart out of my town for 10 years. 2012 – WalMar will go in but a regular WalMart. I hope it does not destroy our down town stores but it might. I do not shop at WalMart.

  594. Forbes magazine, polling business executives (not employees) has ranked Wal-Mart among the best 100 corporations to work for. Yet the employees on average take home pay of under $250 a week. The salary for full-time employees (called “associates”) is $6 to $7.50 an hour for 28-40 hours a week, which is typical in the discount retail industry. This pay scale places employees with families below the poverty line, with the majority of employees’ children qualifying for free lunch at school. When closely examined, this amounts to a form of corporate welfare, as the taxpayer subsidizes the low salaries. One-third are part-time employees – limited to less than 28 hours of work per week – and are not eligible for benefits.


    Walmart has put many small business out of business. Empted more small town business centers. Not good!

    Your second list – many of them work just fine but too many politicians said – if it works, break it. And so they did. The End.


  595. pfesser53. have to say i am a bit surprised in your participation.

  596. Cynthia-
    I’m a little bit south of Cordova. We actually have had very little snow here which is unusual on a number of fronts. Been worrying some about the folks there.
    My maternal granpa was a blacksmith in Cordova in the early 1900s- is where he met my grandmother when she returned to Alaska after being sent to a boarding school outside the territory (which was common then for Native children).
    They get a lot of snow there ( so do we usually) and handle it quite well but this was more than normal and followed by some precip which added water weight and has collapsed numerous roofs.
    Blueberry pie coming up Delurkergurl!

  597. alaskapi – I hope this isn’t the “fresh snow” you were referring to earlier! How do people deal with this much snow. At least I know why we have no snow here you have it all up there. Keep it, I am not complaining. Good thing Palin isn’t still the Governor!


    Cordova, an isolated coastal town of about 2,000 people about 150 miles east of Anchorage, appears to be one of the hardest-hit locales, with the state National Guard reporting that it was sending Guardsmen and resources Monday after weeks of record snowfall left the city buried under 18 feet of the white stuff.



    Comment from a blog reL SantorumL As a single, sexually active straight woman who would have no trouble having an abortion if it came to that, I am demonized by Rick Santorum every time he opens his mouth about reproductive rights. Dan Savage, a partnered gay man with a kid, is demonized by Rick Santorum ever time he mentions his views on homosexuality. We’ve responded to our systematic dehumanization by this frothy man by throwing some of his own poopy lube right back at him. And I gotta tell ya, I don’t lose any sleep over it


  599. I just googled santorum and clicked on the definition. BTW, it is now number one again.

    A lawyer I have used in the past actually has a really great book called, “Google Bomb.” Highly recommended if you would like to see how this stuff works.

  600. For you Liberals who think big government is the way to go, for those who think government run health care is the way to go, I submit the following:

    1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.
    2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!
    3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick’s Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.
    4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.
    5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world’s largest private employer, and most speak English.
    6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the world.
    7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.
    8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.
    9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.
    10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.
    11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores. (Earth’s population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)
    12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a Wal-Mart.

    You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to fix the economy.
    This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats, Republicans, EVERYONE!!
    To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature
    It is now official that the majority of you are corrupt morons:
    a.. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 237 years
    to get it right and it is broke.
    b.. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 77 years to get it
    right and it is broke.
    c.. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 74 years to get it right
    and it is broke.
    d.. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 48 years to get it right;
    $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to “the
    poor” and they only want more..
    e.. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 47 years
    to get it right and they are broke.
    f.. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 42 years to get it right
    and it is broke.
    g.. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
    on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 35 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
    You have FAILED in every “government service” you have shoved down our
    throats while overspending our tax dollars.

    Facts. Evidence. Its all here. So why should we want more government?

  601. It would seem, Mitt, “I like to fire people,” is having a very bad day.

  602. Asked a direct question, Noah runs away to cower again.

  603. From glancing at the current GOP line-up…looks like it could end up with a Mitt/Rick ticket…wonder if Rick as VP will be all ‘cheneyesque” …doubtful for he ain’t really all that well connected .They , M&R need each other and seems that is how they WILL come together as each alone just really ain’t all ‘that’/etc….by mergig their support groupies they will figure they have a real shot at retaking the reins for the party….Coalescings being forged but still not a winning combination by a long shot !! Gonna’ be a nasty long year and a goodly majority of us ordinary folk are NOT going to be ‘into’ to it until late september at the earliest and even that will be too long to put up with their nonsense. In the meantime, we, the ordinary sorts have other matters to concern us and focus our attention so no sense in getting all riled over the dithering nonsense being spewed !!

  604. Simon, I offered up a level playing field, you were not up for it. Should you care to step up under the terms I laid out.fair and equitable for both, lets do it.

  605. Quoting “Anonymous”:

    “…our President from another country…”

    I was wondering about that. You are a Birther, as well as a misinformed mountebank? You really do have nothing new to add to the discussion. Noted.

  606. “There’s a snake in my boot!”

  607. Great post Helen!

    I’ve never read so many stupid comments before. Seems like there are a few people commenting that have way too much time on their hands…and probably no life. Sad really.

    Keep up the good work Helen!

  608. ahh the gang of thugs is back…remember its the blog of your choosing, let the games begin.

  609. Like Woody from Toy Story… pull the string and he repeats his canned phrases. “Somebody’s poisoned the water hole!”

    Good times, finally. All it took was a little perspective.

  610. Thanks for following my instructions for you Cynthia. You will find life goes a lot better for you if you continue to follow said advice. Critical thinking just isn’t your strong suit..well done.

    Puppet, you may want to follow Cynthia’s example. You have repeated that line about me a half dozen times at least. But I am sure at your age mind slips are to be expected. I would ask delurkergurl to do the same but I can’t imagine she would be capable of even parroting sound thinking were it handed her.

    Taru Fisher, if you feel the need to tell others who you scroll by and it gives you peace of mind, go for it. I am sure we would all love to hear next time you file your nails or consult your crazy 8 globe for financial advice. Keep us up to date ok?

  611. I like that Romney/Christe thought.

  612. Thank you.

    A group of scientists writing for Nature Geoscience says that after studying warm spells like ours as they relate to the earth’s axis wobbles and other factors they theorize that another ice age could begin in 1,500 years. They calculate the atmospheric concentration of CO2 would have to fall to 240 parts per million from the current level of 390 PPM. for an ice age to happen. That, if true is wonderful irony for Al Gore’s team.

  613. 1 for James…0 for Tina

  614. good news….


  615. google glassectomy….LMAO….
    Obama should call him to schedule a “glass-ectomy.” Rogan then asked what a “glass-ectomy” is.

    “A glass-ectomy is when you cut your bellybutton out and put a piece of glass in there so when you have your head up your butt you can see where you’re going.” Volkmann said.

    new thought….Romney/Christe….

  616. And I should care what a nonentity like you thinks? The thought that crossed your mind must have had a lonely trip.

  617. Monday morning and back to work catching up. Well, mostly scrolling.

    Elizabeth, my answers to your questions are:

    Yes. 30-40. Female. Far West.

    Your research sounds fascinating. I really don’t know much about physics so I Googled the Trevatron and CERN. Anything they can learn about earthquakes is fine with me. We live on top of a big fault.

    Good Luck!

  618. Nobody cares, James. Nobody.

  619. I don’t know about that NOP. I just cut some trees with a hand saw, and my wife is mad because she worries about my back. A friend was on speaker phone and she said “You had better watch out or you will be food for a grove of trees.”

    “I’m not sick, but I’m not well.” “My life is so boring, the voices in my head are snoring.”

  620. What happens when you pull the string? Cynthia is going to find out! :P

  621. The only thing we can be certain of is AnonyNoah has NO JOB, NO BUSINESS, and NO SPOUSE; no one this mentally ill could possibly form any kind of human relationship.

  622. Dear Anon – ah so Grasshopper, you are making assumptions about me and who I am. I made no assumptions about you. I merely stated an irrefutable fact based upon my own personal experience.

  623. Anonymous on January 8, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    I asked my husband what to say and he said this: Tell that jerk to shove it so far up it will never see the light of day again. Do you know what he means?????

    ass dismissed.

    Oh no….INCOMING Quick…. NOP Google, GOOGLE!

  624. UAW, its funny how easily the Liberals miss the obvious. We have punishments for which we execute people, and still they are not deterred. Why they think this is any different is beyond me.

    I find it interesting that they think going from 30 round clips to 8 or any other number for that matter..hell even to single shot, would make much of any impact. Remember those two snipers a few years back? Had all they had been able to get is a single shot gun…no fewer people would have died.

  625. Sorry, the html didn’t work.

  626. Light bulb! I finally get it! AnonyNoah is doing a very talented caricature of a GOPer. Took me a while to get the joke! He’s our own personal political cartoon. Love it! He needs a nickname, and an icon, though. Any ideas? Since his parody reflects all the worst stereotypical qualities of a GOPer, maybe this?

    AnonyNoah, I’m sorry I’ve been selling you short all this time. I thought you were SERIOUS! It took me way too long to appreciate the comedic value you bring to the porch.

    Alaskapi, I’ll take you up on that Δ! I’ll take blueberry if you have it.

  627. Like I said JJ…
    Criminal don’t care if you have more gun laws….
    Where did you hear that Jeffery loughner didn’t have to take a background check??????Did he get it from “Fast and Furious”…..
    Personally I think your full of shit but maybe someone misinformed you……you probably never heard of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System…..One of the laws is “It is a five-year federal felony for criminals and other disqualified persons to attempt to purchase a firearm.”
    Now if he passed his background check because there wasn’t anything about him being mental then there must be something wrong with mental health laws…..


    30 rd clips are a different issue…..do people need them…probably not but do people need BMW’s when they can drive a Chevy(OH.. that’s right…cars don’t kill people)……….and its LEGAL…..got that JJ……..LEGAL…..

    from a year ago….


    maybe you should hide under your bed…

    The shooting also appears to have led people in Arizona to stock up on high-capacity magazines —

  628. Great job Mr. President. And you thought we were going to save money by your Messiah pulling us out of Iraq? How little you know Liberals. Obama actually managed to cost us more money by pulling our troops out…go figure.


  629. That was mine.

  630. Good video. I’d like to see them try Georgia Brown with an old John Deere tractor.

    That other video of the stuck tractor brings back memories too.

    We have had perpetual autumn and drought here also. People are afraid trees will start budding. Blame in part, a huge polar vortex near Baffin Island and northern Hudson Bay. If a ridge builds into the Bering Sea and the western part of the Arctic, we might eventually see some real winter down here.

    NOP, google Colbie Caillat-Brighter Than The Sun or MK Flash mob Moscow, October 31, 2009 on Youtube. Its more fun.

  631. I bet Helen and Margaret would be proud of you all.


    Hey Anonymous: When you get a THANK YOU letter from Mr. Santorum for your keeping FROTHY #!, will you PLEASE, put it on here so we can all see it? Please.


  633. Ok- sounds good . 40. Neat.
    Bringing a band , ok?
    (something silly and fun sent by a friend this morning to warm up the start of the day :-) )

  634. Off to Goggle….




  636. Perhaps you all should come to my table. It is going to be 40 degrees today, sunshine, no snow! Very strange winter so far for upstate NY. We have had weather in the teens with wind chill of -8 with just a light covering of snow and a day or two later spring like weather. The turnout is mud and sucks the boots right off you. The hoof indents are deep and when it freezes it is very difficult to walk for both horse and human!


  637. Do, do not. Can, cannot. Everything else is irrelevant. The evidence is all around you, but you will have to pull your head out of the sand yourself.

  638. It’s 25 degrees out with fresh snow. How about mulled cider or hot tea?

  639. Shall I bring wine or ice tea?

  640. Cynthia-
    pie is being served under the table, chocolate pecan. Join us?

  641. I said I “understood” JJ’s connection to bestiality which you stated you did not. I was attempting to enlighten you.

    This is Santorum’s quote – “Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Why? Because society is based on one thing: that society is based on the future of the society. And that’s what? Children. Monogamous relationships. In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That’s not to pick on homosexuality. It’s not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality–“

    He is saying homosexuality is not the same thing as man on child, man on dog etc. But why did he even compare it to those things?

    He also needs to understand the history of marriage. Briefly, many early marriages were for more practical reasons and some included homosexuality. There came a point in time when the church found an advantage to becoming involved in marriages. In reality even today people marry for a number of reasons besides love and children.


    http://www2.hu- berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS_EN/html/history_of_marriage_in_western.html
    There are many so feel free to pick your own.


    IN COMING Take cover!

  642. LOL!
    I did forget that one!..
    …excuses… hard evidence…
    …can’t help yourselves… sheep…
    …no morals… integrity…courage…

    There’s also the one

    …answer MY question…
    …not simple enough for you?…
    … no reasoning ability…
    …guess yes or no is too hard for you…

    and always

    …moving on…
    …that’s setttled…
    …so be it…


    Mitt Romney feels only the wealthy should be running for office.




  644. Hey don’t worry about it alaskapi, I knew that like others when presented with hard evidence you would find any excuse. Just how Liberals work so I guess I can’t fault you for how you were brought up. We both know the truth even if you can’t bring yourself to admit it. You will not find one Liberal on here who can say the words, I was wrong, you are no different. Welcome to club sheep. In the business world, you either do, or you do not. All the excuses really don’t matter. So be it. Next topic.

    As far as Jo-Gina goes, he is just some wack job using this blog to drive people to a website. Not going to waste anymore consideration on him than that.

  645. No, anon- not going to get sucked into the vortex your personal closed circle arguments create.
    You can go off on your regularly scheduled rant now
    …liberals run away from real arguments…
    … liberals always afraid to stand up for (fill in the blank here )…
    …hate… prove it…you’re wrong…

    What did I forget?

    The dubbing of JuneauJoe as Jo-Gina is a not funny sexist game – the likes of which I grew weary of 30 years ago. Nanny- boy word games there.
    Not conducive to enlarging group of people who attach any credibility to what you have to say even if it makes you feel all manly and all saying it.

  646. Wow. I better leave Jo-Gina alone, think he has gone off the deep end.

    Then step up to the plate. Please feel free to peruse my posts over the last few days and my links to back them up. Please knock some holes in my arguments and do explain how all this hate filled rhetoric is about something else more noble. Take on my posts on Santorum and on media bias. I have a feeling though like every other Liberal on here, you will find a reason to just say I am wrong, but fall short of proving it. But here is hoping.

    Let us add into evidence, every post from Jo-Gina since, Mary Jane, Ted, and Anon 1:02am. But I am sure you will find a more noble message than I was able to find.

  647. Ah, and it appears our Irish anon/Noah has stopped by and raised a pint of leann dubh to anon.
    Snarky and mean spirited but at this point worth a laugh :-)

  648. anon@12:22-
    You haven’t proved anything about anything though I would vote for you as most prolific builder and slayer of straw man arguments here.
    You notice I didn’t say best builder?
    Your formula is transparent , fraught with other logical fallacies, (including “hasty conclusion ” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization ) and fully offensive, in the sense of being aggressive and on attack.
    If it floats your boat, just keep building em up and knocking em down . Seems to me kinda like a grinding a deeper rut while spinning your wheels dealie to me but go for it, if you must.

  649. This is so dang funny I laughed really hard and wet myself…..just a little. These darling women, Margaret and Helen have just written the truest words about this scummy ratrace I’ve read yet. Kudos to you ladies for having the guts to put down on paper what so many of us have been thinking…..well……since FOREVER!!! Great blogging gals!

  650. GOOGLE SANTORUM, Keep FROTHY Number 1

    Republicans are losing the middle class votes with their foolish policies.


    GOOGLE SANTORUM: Keep Frothy Number 1

  651. I agree with Anonymous. He speaks for the Lord. Liberalism equals Devil Worship which leads all souls to Hell. Read the Bible.

  652. GOOGLE: SANTORUM, Keep FROTHY Number 1

    Anonymous is a liar, and a hater!!! He then blames his afflictions onto others – TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN ACTUALLY!!!



  653. I do not need to google or research further. I have given solid proof to back my statements. And as someone who has been in prison and turned to homosexuality and as a young man experimented with beasitality I know firsthand.

  654. Anon you are an enormous liar. You don’t encourage or welcome diverse thought. You argue with and put down everyone who thinks or in this case posts differently from you. You are not fooling anyone… Except yourself maybe.

  655. GOOLE SANTORUM: Keep FROTHY Number 1

    Anonymous is a liar!!
    Cynthia made a comment about Santorum’s bestiality and gay comment.
    Anonymous said it was untrue! I PROVED IT WAS TRUE!

    Quit Whining Anonymous!!! This is not your blog!!! Our hosts are liberals, Don’t expect to be treated as King of the Blog – not going to happen.



  656. GOOGLE SANTORUM: Keep FROTHY Number 1

    Santorum says there is no middle class! OK



  657. Thanks for your help Jo-Gina, Cynthia and Puppet.

    alaskapi, sorry to say but I have proven beyond any contention that my Liberal definition is true and I have provided you with an abundance of proof. The party of hate and destruction. No boundaries, no ethical or moral considerations, victory at any cost. Attack the person with no mercy, lie if you have to, whatever it takes.

  658. GOOGLE: SANTORUM, Keep FROTHY Number 1

    Anonymous: It has been your efforts here on this blog which has pushed it back to Number 1!!!! Thank You!!!!

    The Shooting One year ago in Tucson! The survivors speak!


  659. GOOGLE SANTORUM: Keep FROTHY Number 1

    Santorum says Blacks get Food Stamps in Iowa (There are very few blacks in Iowa actually – oops)

    A few days ago, GOP Presidential candidate Rick Santorum put his foot in his mouth by saying “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money.”



  660. Sorry Jo-Gina, but the facts are against you and your Nazi tactics.

    “Savage, in an attempt to destroy Santorum on the Internet for all time, held a contest in 2003 and asked readers for the most foul thing they could say to create a new definition for “Santorum.” The dictionary calls that a neologism and readers gave him 3,000 suggestions. In practice, what Savage has done is the lowest form of hate speech. “

  661. GOOGLE SANTORUM: Keep FROTHY Number 1

    Cynthia is correct!!


    Shepard Smith brought up one of Santorum’s most controversial comments, asking Republican commentator Terry Holt whether even social conservatives would not accept Santorum’s claim that “gay love [is] similar to bestiality.”
    Smith agreed except for his reservation that Santorum’s extreme views would not go over well with many voters. “It’s going to be talked about eventually that Rick Santorum is, among other things, a man that equated homosexual sex to bestiality,” Smith remarked, adding that “his list of things that are not going to appeal to any moderate is long.”

    You should apologize to Cynthia because she was right!


  662. Ops try again

  663. GOOGLE SANTORUM: Keep FROTHY Number 1

    The study which Santorum mentions does not make the case which he wants it to say about Gays and inmates. Not even close actually.


  664. How is this for a twisted mess. I a Conservative, Linking a post, about a crime committed in the Bush administration, that in turn highlights the destructive nature of Liberalism and Liberal thinking.

  665. GOOGLE SANTORUM: Keep FROTHY Number 1

    Santorum tells kids Gay Parents are worse than Parents in Jail!


    “He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives,” Santorum told voters about the researcher, according to the Times.

    Cynthia is correct!!! Santorum did make the connection!!!

    (Anonymous – Your efforts have put Frothy back on top!! Thanks!)

  666. Cynthia “Santorum, once compared homosexuality to bestiality – (Try Google)”

    Maybe try being more than a mindless sheep and do some research. Or ask your husband his opinion and use it as your own so you don’t come off the fool again. Per my link at http://www.mrc.org/bmi/commentary/2012/Google_News_Outlets_Embrace_Vile_Attack_on_Santorum.html

    Class dismissed again Cynthia.


  668. thought=though

    Farsight, we have some commonalities and mostly differences. I live by the phrase, kill them with kindness in the work place. Doesn’t matter what kind of person they are, you just need to know so you go in understanding their limitations and you deal with them at their level.

    Where we differ is how you detest those not like you, a very Liberal trait. While you would not welcome others like you I go out of my way to attract them. While you loath them as to the kind of human being they are, I appreciate and want to understand why they are different. I will never grow as a person if I spend all my time with others like me. I’ve a feeling that attitudes like yours that merely tolerate others is why we can’t seem to shake racism in our time. I will say once I discover disingenuous people like yourself I immediately distance myself from them. Probably no more distasteful a trait then someone who puts up a false pretense like that.

  669. Nope, thought I do think they are non religious types purposeful in their intent. I have no need, reason, desire, or history of that type of thing Farsight. I get my point across and that is all I require.

  670. You ever get the feeling that the troll who will not be named is also, John, Linda and Gregory, and that he is just trying to manipulate the thread and feel in control?

  671. In the old days of this blog many of us put an Δ as a symbol for pie. Sat on the porch and ate pie.

    James, you raise an entirely different issue than what I was saying. I was discussing how close someone got to me. You are talking about a professional relationship. I work with people who are diametrically opposed in there beliefs, both political and religious, everyday. I do not let it get in may way. In fact I most times go out of my way to have a good working relationship with these people, many of whom I wouldn’t even allow in my home. I never want to even give the impression of short changing someone I dislike, someone who’s beliefs I dislike or someone I just figure is an outright asshole.

    I recently requested multiple times to be placed with, and give assistance to someone who is a teaparty, reactionary, survivalist mentality, wackaloon. Even most right wingers I know don’t want to be around him. He won’t get a chance to bring up his baggage with me, I will tell him that we are focusing on the job and leaving the rest. I will try to kill him with kindness. I am sure that he will feel that he has really pulled a big one over on me by getting someone he knows to be totally different in philosophy to solve a problem for him. Does that make me a nice guy? Hell no. I am doing it for the challenge, and I probably get a slight superiority fix out of it also.

    I went to someone’s house yesterday to help him with a computer problem. He and I worked together until his reitirement, but politically we are 180 out. He is a total Limbeckian. When he starts talking politics, I find his style and beliefs offensive. This is part of him that I absolutely detest. He probably doesn’t feel much better about my liberal stance. He needed help though and asked for it. I made sure I was available. We are not friends; we are acquaintances. I will decline to talk politics with him. He offered to pay but I did not charge him anything and someday maybe he’ll be able to help me out with something. If not, oh well. That’s the way the cookie crumbles.

  672. John,

    GOOGLE: SANTORUM, Keep Frothy #1

  673. God is watching you and knows your of contemptous blasphemy of his word. He will smite you and condemn you soul to burn in hell for all eternity unless you repent now.

  674. Sarah had no reason to call, so it isn’t a surprise.

    It would have been nice had she called, but after the abuse and lies after the shooting, maybe she thought a call would call attention to the political attacks from the left and restart the controversy. Exploiting the tragedy is low, I’m not accusing you of base motives, but I am of the political leaders and news people who eagerly rushed to judgment in their excitement that at last they could blame a conservative for violence.

    Gaggy Gifford’s husband said on Mediaite that “Sarah Palin certainly is not responsible for what happened. But I think the angry rhetoric in an election year is not–it’s not helpful.”

    Longhner became fixated on the Giffords in 2007,

  675. President Obama called and chatted with Gabby Gifford today!! Thank You President Obama for supporting her in her brave fight.


    Sarah, DON’T RETREAT – RELOAD, Palin did not call and chat with Gabby Gifford and wish her well on her recovery. Such a surprise

  676. So far, Elizabeth, you have two votes favoring the particle accelerator and two against.

  677. Linda, while I agree with your end assessment, don’t make that determination because someone else said so, figure that out on your own and decide for yourself. No one is better qualified to judge what you think is right than you

  678. Linda:

    GOOGLE: SANTORUM, Keep FROTHY number 1

  679. Our pastor says this is an evil site. Elizabeth is a wicked woman to question God’s Law. We pray that you will see the light before it is too late.

  680. I didn’t mean to offend you. I usually hurry and I didn’t even look closely until this time. Now, I see a triangle which I didn’t before. All I can tell you is it must be delta and mean change. Otherwise, I have no idea.

    I don’t proofread, and I don’t paste.

    I see your point. No criticism of you, but I am built differently. My Air Force superiors said I could work well with and get along with a hole in the ground. They put me with difficult people no one else could work with. 9/11 truthers, communists, Tea Partiers, born again Christians, and drug dealers have been friendly with me. I’ve never met a true Dominionist as far as I know.

    As you probably guess, no one can convert me to an alien belief, though people have tried. I regard them as individuals, and we don’t discuss sensitive subjects. That’s what I mean by judging people as individuals. I’ll never know all members of a group, but I may know individuals.

    My discussion of my cousins the Sami makes my feelings of organized religion and racism clear.

    Men tried to kill me when I was in the service. I helped eliminate some, but I still regarded them as basically good men. Each of us presented a threat to the other. It was nothing personal.

    I still don’t believe Sarah Palin owes the nation an appology, at least not for the shooting.


    Anonymous: Sorry but my keyboard is still doing the FROTHY thing,


    SANTORUM – FROTHY is back to Number 1 again!!!! Thank You Anonymous!!! Your efforts put it over the top!!!


  682. Elizabeth, your question is an abonimation. Everything we know about God’s plan in already in the Bible. We should use the money to save the babies.

  683. By the Way: The Shooter had the weapon concealed until he pulled out the Glock and started shooting people.

    HE WAS TOTALLY LEGAL until the first shot.
    According to AZ law, he did not need a backround check, he did not need training and he could conceal it legally. If a Police Officer asked him if he had a gun, he had to say Yes if he had a concealed weapon on him.

    Again: AZ gun laws are too lax.

  684. UAW: The Shooter was able to go into a gun store in AZ and get a Glock and two 30 round clips and just had to show his driver’s license, which is ok according to AZ law. He did not have to undergo the Federal background check. This approach is spreading to other states as well.

    I think it is wrong. There should be a background check and training before buying a gun.

    I think a limit of 8 round clips should be allowed for regular citizens, like myself. 30 round clips are meant to kill people – not safety, not hunting.
    I had the big clips in the US Army with the M-16. 30 bullet clips should not be allowed legally for just anyone.

    Here is a video about the SHOOTING one year ago. I feel Sarah Palin owes an apology to the nation,


  685. no one cares Puppet but you and your teabaggee Jo-Gina. You play the game your way,,says volumes to everyone here about your character.

  686. James, it’s a Δ not an A. I thought you had been around for a while. You should know what it means. If you can’t figure the font and key then just copy and paste it from this post or my ID.

    You are right about individuals. However, the philosophy behind Dominionism is so “1984″ that if I find that someone I know is a true Dominionist they will never make it past acquaintance. The only way they would want to ‘befriend’ me would be to convert me to their way of belief. I won’t even try to convert them because they can go to hell on any ole handcar they choose as far as I’m concerned.

  687. As a New Year resolution, I think, I am going to “GOOGLE: SANTORUM – Keep FROTHY number 1″ each and every time some troll bugs me!

  688. Thanks uawtradesman. You answered my question.

  689. JJ….
    Arizona has laws like that because lawabiding citizens aren’t a problem….30 rd clips…….why do people have airconditioning…..is it a right…NO….do they need airconditioning…NO….how about pools….do people need inground pools….NO….but they want them and they are available….legal also…….
    gun control is hitting what you aim at….ask the 18 yr old mother in Oklahoma….
    Federal law says that a felon can’t by a gun……..OH that’s right….we need more laws that criminals are going to break anyway…..

  690. Thanks for being honest Juneau Joe. My opinion is different.

    Daily Kos showed a Targeting Strategy map with DLC targets for the next election. Except for the cross hairs, the maps were almost identical.

    A Daily Kos writer wrote an article titled “My Congress WOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi and is now DEAD to me!”

    Over wrought people virtually accused Palin of pulling the trigger. They also went after other conservatives and wrote that Michele Malkin, for example had blood on her hands.

    When an investigation revealed that the shooter, Jared Loughner was unhinged and what political philosophy he had leftist elements too, the mood changed a bit. He also didn’t listen to talk shows and may never have seen Palin’s or the Kos’s target/cross hairs maps. People then quietly said “never mind.”

    If Sarah owes the nation an appology, so does Daily Kos. I don’t think either caused the shooting, and I don’t think either owes us anything. The windmills of Loughner’s mind had splinters.

    I don’t understand why Arizona law permits 30 bullet clips either. One would have to be a very bad shot to need that many.

  691. Don’t get here too often.Computer doesn’t like zll the lengthy posts.Consequently only when Helenposts a new onecan I geton. So glad to seeyourposts.Have missed them. Still in same place.. ………………………………

  692. Pictures of the 1 year Memorial of the Tucson Shootings which killed 6
    -I think Sarah Palin owes the nation an apology for the crosshairs. (I feel it led up to this tragedy. – opinion only.)
    -Why do we need 30 bullet clips?
    -Why do we have gun laws which allow anyone with a driver’s license to purchase a gun and a 30 bullet clip? (This is the AZ law)


  693. Today, A memorial was held at the Safeway in Tucson where Gabby Giffords was shot. May those who died rest in peace. May those who got shot recover. May incidents like this and the targeting of political figures with cross arrows not happen again. I am pleased that Gabby Giffords and her husband Mark attended – may she get back to The House soon.


  694. OK OK OK…..
    time for funnies….


    Anonymous: I think I owe you an apology. I actually mean to say Keep Santorum number 1. It is funny though: When I type Satorum, it comes out FROTHY!!

    Sorry, if it is bothersome. I am working on it.

    GOOGLE: SANTORUM – Keep FROTHY number 1

  696. GOOGLE: SANTORUM, Keep Frothy #1

    “Mitt Romney, I think, is more of a job cremator than a job creator,” Schultz said. She added: “He was a corporate buyout specialist at Bain Capital. He dismantled companies. He cut jobs. He forced companies into bankruptcy and he outsourced jobs and sent jobs overseas. That’s not a record to write home about, that’s not a record to be proud of, and it’s something voters need to know.”

    Thank You for your kind words Anonymous. It is not meant to bother you.
    You and I just want to Keep FROTHY #1: GOOGLE: SANTORUM

  697. Jo-Gina, isn’t this a tad junior high-ish? I know you think you are getting under my skin, but it is just a little bit pathetic. Actually starting to pity you. Once upon a time people actually took you seriously. But whatever makes you happy tiger.

  698. GOOGLE: SANTORUM – Keep FROTHY number 1

    Romney is a job cremator!


    GOOGLE: Santorum – Keep FROTHY number 1

  699. Quote of the day:

    Don’t try and win over the haters. You are not the JERK whisperer

    Now I know your secret James.

  700. GOOGLE: SANTORUM – Keep FROTHY number 1

    Okay, so you’ve got a guy from Texas who jogs with a gun so he can shoot snakes in the winter and if there’s no snakes, he’s gonna shoot somedamnthing, even a little coyote.

    He says he rather be spending his Saturday nights at the firing range than debating.

    And he appoints Sheriff Joe Arpaio to head-up his Arizona campaign.

    And you’re surprised that he wants to re-invade Eye-Rack? If that surprises you, you’re not listening to this guy. He’s Rick Dubya Perry and now that he’s demonstrated that he can remember three things, he’ll invade Iran, too.

    His campaign slogan: War is Cool, Dude!

    Anonymous needs some Juanita Jean to make his day. (Actually: Ron Paul is the only Republican Candidate who WOULD NOT INVADE IRAN.)


    GOOGLE: SANTORUM – Keep Frothy number 1

  701. GOOGLE ; SANTORUM – Keep Frothy number 1

    Occupy was the word of the year!!!


    GOOGLE; SANTORUM – Keep Frothy number 1

  702. Jo-Gina: “GOOGLE: SANTORUM – keep FROTHY number 1 (Anonymous: Thank You for your part in KEEPING FROTHY number 1. GOOGLE SANTORUM”

    I think it is worth pointing out that while we both have different points of view, I like facts. Facts that can be found and proven, and I always stand by and hold myself accountable for my words. If I say something, I can back it up, and I do answer for what I say when asked.

    Jo-Gina on the other hand spews filth on here on a regular basis. His quote above, and his comments on bestiality are just the tip of the iceberg. Jo-Gina never stands by his words, and rarely has any credible source to back his claims. His left and right nut are completely covered by Puppet and Cynthia so he feels empowered to continue to wage the worst kind of rhetoric imaginable.

    I may be opinionated, but Jo-Gina his cult-like groupies takes it to an all new low…just sayin

  703. Thanks NOP.

  704. The Top 10 Economic Myths of 2011
    This year the media’s myth were wide-ranging: from conspiracy theories about economic sabotage, to overpopulation panic and Occupy Wall Street’s mantra ‘We are the 99 percent.’

    By Julia A. Seymour
    Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:56 PM EST
    (Jo-Gina this is where you give your source credit fyi)

    Each year the Business & Media Institute looks back on the year’s news and selects the top 10 worst economic myths.

    Here is our 2011 list:

    10. Congress took a “machete” to the budget in August.
    9. In order to win, the GOP wants to sabotage the economy.
    8. Who cares about a Soros’ sponsored effort to remake global economy?
    7. With 7 billion on the planet, it’s time to panic.
    6. Apocalypse Al is a “genius,” and climate change is a real threat.
    5. The jobs are right around the corner.
    4. Occupy Wall Street is the new Tea Party.
    3. Green jobs are the future.
    2. $52 million from Soros doesn’t mean we’re biased.
    1. Check out the Article!!!


  705. I apologize James, I simply assumed, anonymous at 8:56 AM was also you.

  706. Mussolini was politically savvy enough to know that he had to work with the Catholics, and the church was looking to make a deal. The church had lost control of the Vatican since around 1870. In 1929 Mussolini and the Vatican signed the Latin Pact, which ceded to the church virtually everything it sought. The pope gained control of the Vatican City, and received one and three quarter billion lira in compensation for losses, mostly through government bonds. Through their control of that quantity of government bonds, the Catholic church was effectively funding the fascist state. Pope Pius XI actually went so far as to proclaim that Mussolini “was that man whom divine Providence had allowed him to meet.”

    Sound familiar?

    Fascist America exploits Jesus Christ for money and power at the polls—and for members. That’s why the fundamentalists and evangelicals or whatever name you want to give to right wing, conservative Christians, support many of these ideals that smack so near to fascism.

    Mussolini used the Italian newspapers to justify Italy’s military campaigns with rumors and lies, and their alliance with Germany in World War II that led to Mussolini’s downfall and execution, and the end of fascism.

    Sound familiar?

    We now know the right wing abused the media to disseminate the blatant lies that justified the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    So the fact is, Santorum, that yours is the political party promulgating fascist ideals and their implementations—indoctrinating children with lies, encouraging gun love and violence, writing your own sets of false truths which you spread through the media, and using those same lying media outlets to justify needless wars; all the while falsely abusing Jesus Christ as both a foundation and fundraiser to the fascist theocracy whose dictator you seek to be. Your grandfather may have escaped Italy, but you can’t escape yourself.
    GOOGLE: SANTORUM – keep FROTHY number 1.
    (Anonymous: Again, Frothy cannot remain number 1 without you!!! GOOGLE – SANTORUM: Keep FROTHY number 1)


  707. Just in case you didn’t get enough hyprocricy with your morning Liberal news, check this OWS fact: (You know facts Jo-Gina & Cynthia, those little details you cannot be bothered with)
    Here is a list of the 25 richest (26 thanks to a tie) celebrities supporting the Occupy Movement (Source: Celebrity Net Worth)

    1. Yoko Ono – $500 million
    2. Jay-Z – $450 million
    3. David Letterman – $400 million
    (tie) Stephen King – $400 million
    5. Russell Simmons – $325 million
    6. Sean Lennon – $200 million
    7. Mike Myers – $175 million
    8. George Clooney – $160 million.
    9. Brad Pitt – $150 million
    (tie) Don King – $150 million
    11. Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) – $145 million
    12. Jane Fonda – $120 million
    (tie) Miley Cyrus – 120 million
    14. Al Gore – $100 million
    15. Roseanne Barr – $80 million
    (tie) Deepak Chopra – $80 million
    17. Kanye West – $70 million
    (tie) Dan Rather – $70 million
    19. Alec Baldwin – $65 million
    (tie) Matt Damon – $65 million
    21. Tom Morello – $60 million
    (tie) Mia Farrow – $60 million
    23. Katy Perry – $55 million
    24. Michael Moore – $50 million
    (tie) Susan Sarandon – $50 million
    (tie) Zack de la Rocha – $50 million

    Can you guess how much in extra taxes these hypocrites pay into our national debt because they are not being taxed fairly? A grand total of $0 dollars. Thats right folks, more Liberals who are all talk, no action.

  708. Do you know the history of fascism, Rick? In many ways you are a fascist.

    The founder and leader of the Fascist party was Benito Mussolini. Born in 1883, he was a troubled and violent child; at eleven he stabbed a fellow student and was expelled. He was raised a socialist and spent his early life a union laborer. He railed against the king, the church, the government; and was opposed to war, conscription, and to censorship. Early on he demonstrated a high aptitude for journalism, and when he was 26 he started both a family with his girlfriend and a Socialist newspaper, La Lotta di Classe.

    Journalism not only gave Mussolini the power to make up stories, but the means to spread his own mythology. He was quoted as saying: “The thing I learned as a journalist is you can make people believe almost anything.” He would write about non existent things, and people would believe them, and thus he utilized the media to influence the population.

    Sound familiar?

    It sounds eerily like the Fox news propaganda outlet that would endorse a Santorum candidacy if you are so nominated; the same network that is constantly being fact checked for truth and found to be telling the ‘pants on fire’ variety lies.
    GOOGLE: SANTORUM – keep FROTHY number 1 (Anonymous: Thank You for your part in KEEPING FROTHY number 1. GOOGLE SANTORUM


  709. Another beautiful piece of journalism. Unlike the vomit spewed by Jo-Gina & Cynthia, this article proves out every single claim with overwhelming evidence to prove media bias. It is impossible to discount the irrefutable facts this article lays out because they are all very easily verifiable. While these two pretenders use innuendo an 3rd party hack sites and not only never back up their claims but assert their own superior status as to why they cannot be held accountable for their own words.


  710. NOP, HELP!

    I should know, but I don’t understand what you meant after “James…” I wrote that Juneau Joe’s claiming Santorum is a bad human being and Farsight A’s criticizing Christian Dominionists because of their beliefs is wrong and speculative unless they know them personally. I made no comments about the bestiality statement which uaw tradesman showed to be misrepresented.
    My only comment was about judging people and not their beliefs.

    “Go after him for the crazy talk, not her.” Who is “her?”

    I’m not being snarky, argumentative or angry. I couldn’t follow what you wrote. Please enlighten me.

  711. Same-sex marriage isn’t the only case in which Santorum seeks to control our lives, were he to become our next president. Santorum has also said that states should be able to ban birth control because its not a constitutional right. That argument would apply to nearly every product we consume, every service provided, every single aspect of our lives that is not a constitutional right which could, under a Santorum administration, be banned by any state. He’s essentially a big, state government control freak masquerading as a “small government” conservative, and that’s why Santorum will never be president.


  712. When Rick Santorum essentially tied in Iowa, he gave his campaign new life. He also guaranteed America would finally learn just how disgusting, vile and despicable the left is in this country. And how major news outlets and one of the most well-known businesses in the world – Google – are complicit in trying to destroy Santorum because he opposes gay marriage.

    Santorum is the victim of what Reuters partner The Wrap and many other organizations call a “Google problem.” That’s quite the understatement. He was attacked with a Google bomb from the vomits Dan Savage, a gay advocate and sex columnist who hates straight people who don’t agree with him. He also thinks they should be silenced, bullied and blackmailed. That’s exactly how he’s treated Santorum.

    Savage, in an attempt to destroy Santorum on the Internet for all time, held a contest in 2003 and asked readers for the most foul thing they could say to create a new definition for “Santorum.” The dictionary calls that a neologism and readers gave him 3,000 suggestions. In practice, what Savage has done is the lowest form of hate speech. What he picked as a winner is so vile you don’t want to read it or see it or hear it.

    But you have to. It’s the top Google search term for Santorum, thanks to an extensive lefty campaign to discredit opponents of gay marriage. To ignore it is to ignore a major issue that is impacting the presidential campaign. It’s like hiding your eyes in the face of danger.

    Savage has been trying to destroy Santorum and Google is helping him do it by refusing to adjust the search. The result leads to the website spreadingSantorum.com, Savage has the following foul definition:

    santorum (san-TOR-um) n. 1. The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex.

    That 16 word definition says more about the left, Google and the major media than any other words ever written. First, Google, the most dominant search engine on the planet, is a super tech company worth about $215 billion. Just one share of Google goes for roughly $666. (Yes, it really does.) One of the company’s guidelines is “You can make money without doing evil.” You can. They don’t.
    The rest of the article can be read here. Check out the truth of those like Jo-Gina, Puppet and Cynthia.


  713. As to the Lie Cynthia Jo-Gina and delurkergurl that there is no media bias, and no proof. As honest conservatives, we like to be factual and accurate. Here in this article is the transcripts of both discussions. The conclusions are absolute and clear proof.

    ABC’s own:George Stephanopoulos


  714. The top 5 myths of the GOP spin machine,
    And then Mr. Frothy Santorum wants to make the use of contraceptives illegal. Bring on the bedroom police and


  715. But hey if Jo-Gina can go misrepresent the truth, and have no one call him out, let me be the balancing force, and bring up every minute detail ever brought up about Liberals, fair or unfair. Seems fitting in this atmosphere of anything goes politics.

  716. ok….
    I googled”Santorum, once compared homosexuality to bestiality ”
    wikipedia has ….
    “Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states’ ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behavior, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, sodomy, and bestiality,”
    not quite the same thing….
    In my forty +years working in factories of one kind or another I’ve seen things (like a 12′x20′x1.5″ thk plate fall on a fellow worker) of one kind or another….
    Personally I don’t care if Dan Savage, Bawney Fwank, or JJ have Santorum dribbling from their lips or not……

  717. Dont worry about it Cynthia. It is a bit beyond you to understand, with your blind hate and preferential treatment. Or more to the point a point of view bereft of any intellectual honesty or care for honesty. You cannot, will not, find fault with anyone on your side of the Isle. I have regular pointed out faults ion both sides, you support any and all illegal activity. And by support you cheer when they do right, go mute when they do wrong.

  718. Here is Santorum on SNL. (Mr. Frothy)


    Mr. Frothy loves to hate the Gays and says The Gays do beastiality and also talks about Poligamy in the same breath. Mr Frothy likes lump all sex acts into the Gay discussions.

    I find it interesting that Mr. Frothy Santorum is so very encouraging about the bedroom police and in the next breath insisting on small government.

  719. “It is a shame the double standard Liberals take with their own. Jo-Gina goes on some animal sex rant, and somehow (that I’ve yet to understand) links it to Santorum, and not a peep from anyone.”

    Santorum, once compared homosexuality to bestiality – (Try Google)

    We got JJ’s connection. You? Not so much.
    We realize every comment does not need a petty reply. You? Not so much.
    We have a life outside this blog/internet and do not sit here obsessing. You? Not so much.
    We understand what JJ is trying to accomplish here. You? Not so much.
    We like JJ. You? Not so much.

    Everyone have a great day. You?….yes you too!


  720. James, “Jo-Gina goes on some animal sex rant, and somehow (that I’ve yet to understand) links it to Santorum,” this has been in the news, Jo-Gina simply used Santorum own statements which connected gay marriage to bestiality and pedophilia. Go after him for the crazy talk, not her.

  721. The 8:04 AM comment was mine, James.

  722. It is a shame the double standard Liberals take with their own. Jo-Gina goes on some animal sex rant, and somehow (that I’ve yet to understand) links it to Santorum, and not a peep from anyone. Jo-Gina, being the hit and run guy, doesn’t have the balls to respond, strike that..intelligence to respond, but no one seems to care. It just shows there is nothing a Liberal won’t do or say. No integrity, no boundaries.

    We already have a Liberal test tube in Greece that shows what happens when Liberalism is allowed to run unchecked. This said I cannot imagine why Liberals keep celebrating when they drive all the good people out of politics.

  723. Rick Santorum received a complementary editorial by a liberal eastern columnist who’s name I forgot. She said he has raised important questions about the future size of our government, and that he eliquently identified with recent immigrants as he told about his grandfather who worked in coal mines to support his family after they moved from Italy. She also wrote his conservative social views will render him unelectable.

    He voted for tax increases to fund health care, supported new entitlements, opposed free trade, filibustered the National Right to Work Act, opposed repeal or waiver of the Davis-Bacon Act, supported the Bridge to Nowhere, and helped other Bush administration travesties like Medicare Part D.

    Unless you personally know him, you cannot judge his heart. You don’t need to judge him as a human being. He has a record. Judge him on that. LIkewise, unless you personally know Christian Dominionists, you cannot personally judge them either. The Bible is subject to interpretation. Theirs is different from yours. That’s all.

    If you read my comments about the Sami people you know I think Santorum and others are potentially dangerous, but that is different from assuming they are evil.

    It has been a year since the Tuscon massacre. Too many people, even some writing here, turned the tragedy into a vulgar political spectacle before they knew the facts. The Bible says if we judge, we will be judged.

  724. I think you are describing a Christian Dominionist JuneauJoe. I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and $hit a better take on Christ’s teachings than they have.

  725. Rick Sanctimonious is really not just the worst kind of Republican or even the worst kind of Christian; he’s the worst kind of human being. Because he either willfully ignores the teachings of Jesus for the sake of political expediency, or he’s a bald-faced liar and prevaricating ass masquerading as a pious man.

    But more importantly this reveals in its purest form the rationale (sic) of the ultra-conservative Christian. If you are healthy God has blessed you because you are a devout Christian, if you are sick God is punishing you for something. In this delusion you may also substitute for healthy/sick the words rich/poor — this particularly is the gospel of Joel Osteen — and white/any other skin color, etc. Consequently … why should I pay more in taxes because you sinned?

    Understanding it is really as simple as this: My Faith is Better and Stronger Than ANY Science. This in turn explains their disbelief in evolution, climate change…


  726. Typical Republican Response for Insurance Companies being able to deny insurance for kids and people with pre-existing conditions. Disgusting.

  727. Hey Jo-Gina…so what was with the bestiality talk on these dear old ladies blog?

  728. JuneauJoe, I certainly wish there was a “Like” button here in the comment section!

  729. Taru,

    You have every right to scroll over something you find offensive. I know liberals and conservatives who would do the same thing. You also have been allowed by the hosts to express your opinion, and you have in a quite nicer way than many of the liberals or conservatives I know would have. I know you are scrolling over the troll’s posts but rest assured that he is exercising his usual broken record redundancies. I read them if they are a sentence or 2 long but over that they are usually tedious, taunting and boorish.

  730. Anon is an expert in hate and personal attacks.
    I skip over his stuff as well Taru.

    Do you know what is causing the GOP presidential field to look like the time-out chair at a kindergarten class? Well, according to Fox News it’s a conspiracy between the mainstream media and the blog Politico. Awww … so it’s a conspiracy that they have goofy candidates with strange ideas and a determination to rob the middle class. I get it. It’s the liberals’ fault. Dude, dammit, you’ve got Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, and Newt Gingrich. That’s no conspiracy, that’s just real bad luck. And when Rick Perry gets back into the race because he thinks he can beat the best of what you’ve got, that’s not a conspiracy, that’s just sad.


  731. Taru Fisher, it is good you shared that with us, because everyone is interested in what gives you raging headaches. Thanks again for showing that the Liberal party is about hate and personal attacks. I appreciate your efforts.

  732. I have just learned to skip over Anon’s posts so I don’t get a raging headache.

  733. Just thought this was hilarious

  734. 1. A big yes!

    I remember Isaac and Eric, so the rest of the answers are none of your business until I know your age, genders and the general geographic area of your residence.

    Otherwise, google Iowa Nice-YouTube.

  735. Ladies: Puh-leeze get on twitter too; we really, really need you!

  736. 1. Absolutely yes.
    2. 40-50
    3. Male
    4. East
    5. N/A

  737. Mrs. Philpot,

    Thank you for allowing us to inhabit your “porch” with our research project. I am a member of the group Stephen told you about previously. Along with others, Isaac and Eric are also a part of it. We have decided to call ourselves the “Data Diggers” and will identify ourselves as such with future questions.

    We are hoping your readers will respond to the following questions. Participation is entirely voluntary.

    This question is in regard to the near obsolete Tevatron in Ohio and the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) on the Swiss-French Border.

    1. Are the expenditures of time, manpower and funding worth these undertakings? Yes; No; Don’t know.

    2. Your age category: 20-30; 30-40; 40-50; 50-60; 60-70; 70-80; 80+.

    3. Gender.

    4. General geographic area of your residence within the U. S.:
    Deep South; East; Far-West; Mid-West; West.

    5. Country other than the U. S.


  738. UAW, you are the most offensive person on this website.
    You and Anonymous should be banned.

  739. Jo-Gina, your obvious appreciation for news stories with bestiality, what is the link to Santorum?

  740. The man in this story was supporting Santorum too. (I am guessing)
    Man arrested for having sex with horses
    A south Texas man was arrested after being accused of having sex with horses at two different ranches in Hidalgo County, according to The McAllen Monitor.

    Cirilo Castillo, 41, was arrested on two counts of cruelty to animals and two counts of criminal trespass in Edinburg, about 10 miles north of McAllen. He was held on $60,000 bond at the Hidalgo County Jail, the newspaper reported.

    A horse owner said a video surveillance system caught Castillo in the act. From The Monitor:
    “Her video surveillance system had caught her neighbor entering her barn, tying her brown mare to a fence, tying her back legs together and then having sex with it.”

    Castillo admitted to having sex with the horse and also admitted to having sex with another horse at a different ranch, the paper said.
    Man arrested for having sex with horses


  741. Graph: Class War Fare in a graph. Wages vs Corporate Profits. Quite Good. Tells a sad story.


  742. Another good look at 2011


  743. I agree with mageen.

    A clean drain is more important than an honest vote.

  744. The cohabitation of politics and religion will only result in both strangling each other.

    I was brought up to practice faith modestly which usually means privately such as when praying, go into a room by yourself or just go quietly about your work at the soup kitchen, etc. When I see politicos trumpeting stuff like Bachmann, Santorum et al on TV, I scamper as far away from them as I can. There is no way I can view their intentions except as a need for the spotlight.

    I do believe Thomas Jefferson had it right. He didn’t care what religion his neighbor practiced as long as it didn’t pick his pocket or break his leg.

  745. but we don’t need an ID to vote….
    New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner


  746. hey prof….
    I hope the Dems concentrate on the religious right and are suprised by the conservitives….there’s a shit load of us out here…..go back to Goldwater….”we don’t really care who you f#ck in the ass…..just as long as it’s not us”

  747. Prof, I respect anon’s beliefs too. As I wrote a long time ago, the religious right which you fear has passed its high mark. We need religious people of whatever faith to sustain our societies’ moral centers, but we need them not to become so powerful they overwhelm our system. That applies to secular liberals, bird watchers or any other group. We need people like anon and we need people like you in balance and moderation.

    As you know I have been traveling through my Scandinavian heritage and have learned what happened to the Sami people. Their Christian neighbors virtually destroyed their culture, language, and religion in the name of Jesus. A religious take over of our country is an unreal abstraction which might and probably won’t happen but the attempted murder of to part of my family tree was real.

    If you want to hear how it was from someone who lived through religious, racial, and cultural persecution which lasted past the last half of the twentieth century, google MARIE BOINE about the ban of joik on youtube and see what you think. It is more extreme than what you might imagine for the US, but it illustrates how a more powerful culture can damage another.

  748. I don’t want to get mired down in semantics, but what you are proposing is serving a role in government without asserting one’s beliefs. Is there anyone in government that does that now?

    Per my previous post, I see two distinctions with people like you. One, you are a non believer. Two you are a non believer and against religion. Often times you come very much across as the later.

  749. “anon” -

    I have no problem with what anyone believes – and that includes you – but when they begin to mix their religion in politics, we have a problem, Houston. The scenario that the ReBiblicans and the Religious Right would like to play out – and to spell that out for you – that of insinuating THEIR beliefs into the fabric of the government Will_Not_Fly.

    Believe what you want. Just allow everyone else to do the same.

  750. Pfesser, I think your assessment is flawed from its inception. We religious righters as you have labeled us have never had a grip on anything. We have a belief system, and that frightens you. It is out of fear you conjure the enemy you see in people like me. To believe or not to believe is a choice. I respect your choice, why can you not accept mine? To express one’s own desires is not to demand it if others. I want you to be aware that you have a choice, but I do not want to make that choice for you. You draw on your beliefs from your experiences, I draw from my faith. Because my desire comes from a place that you cannot quantify does not make it any less valid. You have a desire to have your world be a certain way, and you take actions based on that belief. I do the same. All that differentiates us from one another it seems is the source for our beliefs and choices.

  751. God I love you. Really.

  752. OMG!!! Helen, I loved every word! Your wit and sarcasm amaze me! Rock on sister and love and pie to Margaret and all who come here for a dose of that foolish reality that is politics!

  753. Helen -

    I was just musing a bit with my wife. We have come to the conclusion that the Religious Right and those of that ilk are losing their grip on America. Yay! In the past, fueled by the compounding interest of tax-free money, they have built up tremendous amounts of capital and have monopolized the airwaves, spreading their message of hate far and wide.

    Now, though, the Internet makes a public forum available to everyone and at NO cost – like this blog, for example. There is NO censorship to speak of, and when these religious nutcases start spewing their hate, normal folks can get toe-to-toe with them on an even playing field and take them down.

    The Web is a wonderful place. Keep up the good work.

  754. I’m so glad I found your blog, again! Happy New Year, and keep these wonderful posts coming. Agree.With.Every.Word.

  755. Micheal

  756. I agree about Michele Steele.

    Nebraska thought their bowl game would be “so much fun,” and it was through the first quarter and beyond. Then, it became an embarrassment. Stuff happens, and you never know when it will until it does.

  757. UAW the same people, actually corporations, donate money to both parties. And by the way Obama’s and the Democratic party’s war chests are way larger at the moment than any on the Republican side. Remember Michael Steele a lot of money was wasted on his watch, he should have been fired, but he wasn’t. All I know is my husband is in a lovely mood and tells me “this is going to be so much fun.”

  758. NOP…
    and who are the Dems going to hit up for money…..the environmentalists or the unions that want to build the pipeline…..just how many centralists would like to have a job right now….. how many centralist realize that the Dems are playing tricks…..and how many centralist are saying “I voted for WHO last time”

  759. NOP, according to ABC News The Note, Romney is “hunting for cash after narrow win.” Slater Bayliss a Florida fund raiser “described a group of business and serial donors” who have been waiting for a moderate candidate who might win.

    Some one was donating money to the Republicans in Iowa. Our answering machine is clogged with robo calls.

    The Drudge Report quoted a poll which showed Obama and Romney virtually tied. I think Obama could win the election, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it. It will be a long year. Nobody with the exception of Newt is screwed yet.

  760. Depends James, who are the Republicans going to hit up for money, payday loan companies? LOL Face it they are screwed, no matter what they do.

  761. Andy Borowitz:
    Boehner on improving employment numbers: “This is a wakeup call. We’ve got to work harder to fcuk this up.”

  762. NOP, I wrote “IF Republicans press the matter…” The statement in the act is a technicality Republicans COULD use to keep Cordray from doing his job.

    I don’t think Republicans will or should do more than complain in their fund raising letters. I agree with you that Obama would use an obstruction to further his “do nothing Congress” line.

    So. there was no checkmate I just failed to clarify the difference between what I though could happen and what I think will happen.

  763. Conservative Ideas don’t work! Red States would be doing better than Blue States if that were true – it isn’t true. Even David Brooks admits it.

    I’m to Rick Santorum’s left on most social issues, like same-sex marriage and abortion. I’m also put off by his Manichaean political rhetoric. He seems to imagine America’s problems can best be described as the result of a culture war between the God-fearing conservatives and the narcissistic liberals.

    Like most Americans, including most evangelicals under 40, I find this culture war language absurd. If conservative ideas were that much more virtuous than liberal ideas, then the conservative parts of the country would have fewer social pathologies than the liberal parts of the country. They don’t.


  764. Disagree with your statement James at 12:57, Cordray is going to work, anyone have a problem with that can sue, that is pretty much what the Administration expects and hopes for right in the middle of the campaign. Let the voters decide, who is protecting them from fraud and usury. Checkmate!

  765. “Still waiting for the day when a church gets sued because the priest/pastor/minister won’t perform the ceremony(because people get “married” in churches)…” on this we agree. As long as couples can get a marriage license and the marriage is legal, I think it is valid for clergymen and/or churches to decide who gets married by them. They do that now.

  766. Richard Cordray’s recess appointment is of course, a sign of political weakness as most have been.

    This one is different from some. The Dodd-Frank Act says authority under the act remains with the Treasury Secretary until the Director is confirmed by the Senate. A recess appointment is not a Senate confirmation. If Republicans press the matter, Cordray’s main job will be to pose for pictures and collect his pay check.

  767. JJ……
    and they also stated how Reid did the same thing that the Repubs tried…..If its OK for one than its OK for the other……and DID Obama break the law?????
    Newt/Condi 2012

  768. lo fasz?? Oh merde! Your father taught you well uawTradesman!

    Thanks for the song. I have added it to my collection–also for the insulting term.

    So far, I haven’t had much time to look at Hungary. I did find Resurrection Sunday Dance Budapest, Hungary on youtube. A woman at our church likes it. Another is Sara Helen Band Give me back. Both are in English.

  769. Jon Stewart on the recess appointment of Richard Cordray. Quite Good!
    Reagan did it, Bushes did it. Clinton did it but now it is a big deal – why?


  770. NOP…
    change “evangelical Christians” to “GLTV” and “thumping their Bibles” to “humping or munching”…..
    Still waiting for the day when a church gets sued because the priest/pastor/minister won’t perform the ceremony(because people get “married” in churches)….

  771. James …it’s good that your keeping up on your heritage….I wish i had…..picked some up from my father….lo fasz=horse cock….

  772. I am all for “evangelical Christians” thumping their Bibles in the privacy of their own home, it is only when they go public and try to incite hate that I have a problem with them. If they are going to make a judgment, when I am going to assume they are in the closet and don’t know how to get out.

  773. alaskapi….did I tweak you a little…..so your not the typical liberal…..according to my son I’m a lot more left than I think(he’s working in Kansas City)…….and I’ve been a union member for 40 years………haven’t voted for a Dem president since Carter(what a mistake)…..did vote for Anderson and Perot…..and yes…..I shower also…..

  774. Again, anonymous, where did you get the idea that I want to champion the abolition of marriage?

    Strawman (n) – The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

    Imagine your own shock to find out you’re a “typical liberal”!

  775. I agree uawtradesman. Being a Shite or Sunni in the wrong place isn’t much fun either. Religion is fine until believers subvert it.

  776. Yes James….shit happens in the name of religion…..It’s a great time to be a Christian in an Arab country right now isn’t it……

    For all of you Margaret and Helen Fans!

    They have spent the past few years declining interviews…until now!

    Margaret and Helen will be on “LIve with Kelly” next week!!!

    Don’t miss this historic…and hysterical…event!

  778. Mageen- congratulations to your hubby and you!! Yee-haw!

  779. oh UAW- as a left-left-leftist, I’ve had a job for 40 years and shower daily.
    As for that personal responsibility thingy, I’ve raised a family, paid my taxes, voted in every election , assisted my family, neighbors, and community in good and bad times and not asked anyone else to take on my own burdens.
    But then, are you saying someone else gets to define my personal responsibility chores and no matter what I do , it’s not ok/enough/acceptable?

  780. …Our tax dollars went for making this….?


  781. I found this very interesting.


  782. I remember that Julia Sugarbaker speech delurkergurl. Dixie Carter was a registered Republican with libertarian views. She also supported gay people. Carter died of cancer in 2010.

  783. I like Anon’s, Juneau Joe’s and the other comments here. “Let a thousand flowers bloom.”

    A Rasmuson poll shows that a majority of people surveyed now regard OWS as a nuisance. The encampment in Washington DC. has a rat problem. That dovetail’s with uawtradesman’s amusing quote about leftists.

  784. I myself like to read the comments section……..if you want to scroll by ….fine…..if an article catches my eye then I usually see what other people have to say about it…….such as the comment….
    “Still waiting for the article where the discovery is made that makes leftists want to get a job and take a shower. Can you imagine a leftist that has personal responsibility? Right now it is only science fiction but we can dream!”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2082799/Supersoldier-ants-gigantic-jaws.html#ixzz1igtowsg9

  785. Saw this over on IM this morning. RIGHT ON, Julia!

  786. Helen, as always, your comments are both hilarious and right on the money. You made me laugh out loud about Perry being all hat and no cattle; that’s priceless. Thank you for writing more often, and I hope your new year is abundant in the things that matter to you.
    Mageen, its great to hear your wonderful news.
    LibertyLover, I’m one who chooses to scroll past. Reading that garbage is like doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Why bother?
    Debra Schubert, I appreciate your asking why people don’t do the right thing simply because its the right thing to do. I visited your blog, and loved your post “No Big Deal, Only…” I totally agree with you, and have found that whatever you put out into the universe comes back to you. The more you are grateful, the more you’ll have to be grateful for. The more love you give, the more you’ll receive. Same with hatred and other ugliness. We choose whether or not we see the divinity in all things, and that’s what we receive.

  787. Really? What did I say that indicates I want to abolish marriage?
    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    Figured out the video problem, so here you go. Sorry for getting ahead of anonymous in post count today. I’m sure the natural order of things will be restored shortly. ;)

  788. Alexander, thanks for the comment, proving once again that Liberals are the party of hate and personal attacks.

    delurkergurl, if this is a cause you are passionate about you are welcome to champion the cause to abolish marriage. If 7% is enough for you then go for it, I just think their are other more pressing concerns.

  789. Aye!

  790. Alright people, what’s the trick to that?

  791. I thought videos automatically embed. Let’s try this.

  792. James, “They deserve better than we have given them.”

    In extension – we don’t even have to GIVE them anything! It’s not ours to give or take away. It costs us nothing to just get out of the way.

    Sorry to use “we” and “they”. We’re all one tribe, y’all. Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh! Tap your toes and have an awesome Friday!

  793. Great Post Helen!

    I must have missed the name change for this Blog.
    When did it become Margaret & Helen & Anonymous?
    (what an Ass Hat)
    Really. I mean it.

    He needs to be blocked.
    All those in favor?

  794. Straight people marry for insurance all the time.

    “In a poll released today, 7% of Americans said they or someone in their household decided to marry in the last year so they could get healthcare benefits via their spouse.”


    There are many more articles and studies on the topic.

    The problem of marrying for insurance (straight or gay) could be solved by not tying insurance to employment or marriage, and by making insurance coverage accessible and affordable.

    Gay marriage isn’t about health insurance anyway.

  795. mageen, Santorum will not be our next president.

    I know evangelical Christians who condemn gay marriage. Most don’t hate gay people. They are trying to save their wayward souls according to Biblical instructions. God wants Christians to save souls for Him and God loves gay people. He must love them, because He made them. God does not condemn gay people. He condemns the act.

    Unfortunately, good intentions can be perverted and they can evolve into hateful acts. This horse is near death, but it illustrates a problem I have with Christians who are too fervent in their belief that they must change or interfere with gay peoples’ lives.

    We all have read of the Lapplanders, those loveable reindeer herders who gave us skis and Santa. I recently learned the rest of the story as I found some of them were my ancestors. Christians converted them at gun point because they loved them. They banned and destroyed the ceremonial drums. They killed their shamen and female spiritual leaders, so the Sami souls would be saved, and they would go to Heaven.They forceably sterlized some Sami women. They kidnapped other people and sent them to New Sweden in North America. After the British supplanted the Swedes, Sweden still sent Sami and criminals as forced labor to North America under an agreement with the British.

    As we did with the Lakota Sioux, good Christians sent Sami children to boarding schools to educate their language and culture away. Sami and Finns are obviously white and blond, but as many as a quarter of their genes are Asian. Most look like normal Nordic Europeans, but some look Asian. Others look like blond, blue eyed Asians. Still others, like my aunt and cousins are mostly blond but have slanted eyes and high cheek bones.

    Non -Finns still mock their eyes and sometimes call them names like “mongoloid mongrels”, so there may be a racial component. But Christians professed to attempt to destroy a people who only wanted to be left alone. And it was all in the name of Jesus. I see little difference between attitudes toward homosexuals and the Sami except by degree. Race and resource-rich land played a role in Scandinavia.

    But the same lesson applies. Gay people and Sami are human beings with the same feelings as the rest of us. Some are good people, and some are jerks. They are God’s problem, not ours. Let Him strike them down if He regards them as evil. They deserve better than we have given them.

  796. Because we do not have a history of this being a problem now. It is not the norm, at least by anything I have experienced for a man and woman to go through the process of getting married for financial or other benefits. I am sure there have been exceptions, but fortunately we do not legislate based on exceptions. Gay marriage is a bit of an unknown and presents possibilities for abuse, some we can foresee others maybe not. Thus a measured compromise seems to me to be in order.

  797. “I think there is a lot of room to abuse this for the benefits that being married would give people. However, at this juncture, I would be willing to concede that if a couple forms a union of sorts, and remains in that union for a period of time, say 5 or 10 years, that they could then qualify for full marriage status.”

    Why shouldn’t this apply to heterosexual couples also?

  798. Buddy. The subject of Gay people is near and dear to me. My first employee was a bi-woman. Employee #2 and #3 were a Lesbian couple. The gentleman who rented space for his business in my building was bi. Two men that have been life long friends of the family I’ve called uncle all my life are gay. And finally a childhood friend, who for a period of time was my best friend, came out being gay in his 30′s.

    For me the jury is still out on marriage, but not for the reasons you might think. I think there is a lot of room to abuse this for the benefits that being married would give people. However, at this juncture, I would be willing to concede that if a couple forms a union of sorts, and remains in that union for a period of time, say 5 or 10 years, that they could then qualify for full marriage status. Not perfect but its a start in the right direction.

  799. Historically, anyone who has lost a previous office via non-election does not go on to win an even much higher office. Santorum is just plain scary!! He finds government to be intrusive in so many areas yet he would put government in your bedroom????? And as for the offspring that could result from legally prohibited contraception, what happens when the begetters lose their jobs through a sour economy and have no financial back up? Why should anyone like Santorum care? He’s been a fabulously well paid Washington insider since losing his Senate seat! And in case you forgot, he’s the one who swore on TV that no one knew where Hurricane Katrina was going to make landfall even the day it hit the Gulf Coast. That was his take on why FEMA didn’t show up!

    Give to me a break!!!!!!

  800. Sure as the sun will rise, hypocritical anonymous will launch a personal attack on Buddy with a swipe at liberals. The only question is whether it will be before he goes to work or after he gets there. I guess it depends on when his coffee kicks in.

  801. PPPS. The same goes for Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann. All three wrap their hate with Jesus. What a complete mockery of his core teachings.

  802. PPS. Who gives a shit what Gene Simmons thinks?

  803. PS. I don’t think Helen hated Republicans. Like any good satirist, she points out the truth by calling up the extreme.

  804. Anon, as a gay man I can tell you that even when it is wrapped up in pretty religious paper with a Jesus bow on top, it still feels like hate to me. Why should I not be able to marry, adopt children, and even keep my job in some states just because Rick Santorum is Catholic? What did I do other than love my partner and our adopted child? Why can’t you understand that from my point of view, hate is hate even if you justify it by telling me your trying to save my soul. Let me worry about my own salvation. Rick need only worry about his own.

  805. Great post Helen.

    Shorter Mitt Romney: I made my billions buying up companies, firing the employees and selling off the assets. I refuse to spend one more cent on taxes to help those I put out of work, and forget about seeing my tax returns. Now trust me to fix the unemployment problem. OY!

  806. Manufacturers of Downward Arrows Post Record Profits


  807. According to an article linked in the Drudge Report, we will replace the discharged soldiers with drones. It might work.

  808. I don’t know Santorum, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume “he loves the sinner and hates the sin.”

    I know what the Bible says, but I can’t accept condemning people who were “born that way” in the words of Lady Gaga.

    We have more important things to worry about. My wife and I spent six hours visiting with a friend who learned he has pancreatic cancer and is recovering from surgery.. He’s making plans to finish what he thought he had much more time to accomplish.

    He may go home tomorrow, the he has had the nurses in stitches so often, they threatened to hide him in another room for their own amusement.

  809. Puppet, while hate is a word you made up, his dislike stems from his Religious values. I rather thought that was obvious. Though you did to but to be able to wonder gave you the chance to throw in hate for the added spin and negative connotation.

  810. Republicans Voting for Romney: ‘It’s Like You’re Trying to Give Your Dog a Pill. They Keep Spitting it Up”
    Such a great comment!


  811. On Santorum, he makes me think of Larry “wide stance” Craig. I can’t help but wonder what is the real reason behind his hate for gays.

  812. this is getting to be fun JJ….I looked op Pelosi….


  813. hey JJ….
    you like making fun of Santorum….go to….


  814. Okay, everybody out of the pool! I’m gonna have to shock it after that last batch of bathers decided NOT to get out of the water when it was time to do their do. :evil:

  815. “Obama’s making cuts to the defense department. I heard Moderate Mitt is cool with that, but Military Mitt is pretty pissed off about it. No word yet from the five little Romneys.”

    Mamawink, you nailed it!

    Joe, please… :(

  816. Love her or hate her, she’s got Bette Davis eyes….

  817. Santorum: I would die to stop same sex marriage.
    GOOGLE: SANTORUM; A frothy mix


  818. “and” not abd

  819. I acknowledge Helen to be the Queen of the Liberal crowd. I must also admit she sometimes make sense, and in the most slam/dunk fashion, which frustrates me sometimes because you Liberals have your share of fast talking smart kool aid drinkers that do a great job of poking fun at the poor lineup of Conservative candidates we have this time around, with the exception of Ayn Rand’s fan, Ron.

    Jon Stewart is also funny abd smart, and I wish he drank from my brand of kool aid instead of your brand.

  820. Mitt gets asked a real question and does not do very well.

    GOOGLE: SANTORUM; A frothy mix


  821. Thom, the it is official then, you speak for Helen. I will direct any comments meant for her to you.

    LibertyLover, don’t feel bad that you cannot contribute more. It really isn’t your fault. But hey you just keep on talking about me.

  822. Obama’s making cuts to the defense department. I heard Moderate Mitt is cool with that, but Military Mitt is pretty pissed off about it. No word yet from the five little Romneys.

  823. *Sigh* Another thread infiltrated by some spammer with an agenda and no blog of his own. Poor child. Anyone bother reading those comments? So sad that it cannot get the attention it wants elsewhere. Bless his heart.

  824. Helen wouldn’t waste her time with you, “anonymous”

  825. Santorum wants states to outlaw contraceptives: Brilliant move.
    Google Santorum: Mr. Butt Juice


  826. Well, actually, Helen does the best representing how Liberals do politics. I must say thank you to Helen. Too bad she doesn’t re-butt too.

  827. Google Santorum: The butt ooze definition

    Thank you Jo-Gina. Thanks for showing us how Liberals do politics. Thank you for proving how much better Conservatives are. And thank you for helping move the process just a little bit lower today than it was yesterday.

  828. the great O has done it again….


    where can I sign the Levin petition……they got one out on Stabenaw yet…

  829. Jon Stewart on Santorum.


    Google Santorum: The butt ooze definition

  830. I mean “most” not “all”.

  831. I must say I really do enjoy Helen’s post as much as all of you.

  832. I must say that I look forward to Helen’s posts as much as all of you.

  833. Take it anyway you like. You don’t want to engage in fair discourse then that is your choice.

  834. Anon, I will take that as a clear Yes.

  835. Jon Stewart on the Republican Choices: Quite Good!


  836. Anonymous, fair play I suppose, as everything I posted was glossed over. Add to that it is in the context of the link I posted and any response would be pointless without having first watched the content I was commenting too.

  837. Anon, are you chickening out of answering a question? That seems like a violation of your principles.

    According to your wording above, if Obama was a Muslim would that mean he’s against us? Please explain.

  838. Republican lawmakers in New Hampshire have decided that any new law passed this year must “include a direct quote from the Magna Carta which sets forth the article from which the individual right or liberty is derived.”

    Okay, so going back to 1776 isn’t far enough for them. Feudal England’s the ticket to freedom, dammit! This means we have to release hostages held by the king and that no member of the d’Athée family can be a royal officer. And that’s just for starters. We have to restore disseised Welshmen and forgive twenty-five of the rebellious barons. But, in the end, we have to run the whole thing by the Pope.

    Now look, I consider the Magna Carta to be the greatest legal document ever written in the English language, but holy crap I doubt it says a whole lot about wiretapping or traffic laws. On the upside, it does say that a widow is not required to remarry if she doesn’t want to, which is overly progressive in the religious right’s mind.

    My favorite quote?

    Upon seeing the bill, New Hampshire Democratic Party spokesman Ray Buckley said he was “mostly speechless.” “I appreciate all the hard work the Republican legislators are putting into the effort to make them look like extremists,” he said. “Saves us the trouble.”


  839. I can tell you the business owners here in Michigan are doing their part to recall Carl Levin. At our lunch today all 17 owners in attendance are circulating a petition for a recall. When we go to our Chamber of Commerce meeting we all intended to pass this along to all in attendance.


  840. Helen, I read this old blog post today and thought of your little blog.

    Making Light: Virtual Panel Participation (in the “Spam, Trolls, Stalkers: The Pandora’s Box of community”Panel)


    I was intrigued by the phrase ‘online bestiary’. :D

    Eiolgj, just want to back you up. You’re right. Christians are called to be Christ followers who will develop other Christ followers. That isn’t done with a stick, a big ego, or a mouthy mouth. Maybe that’s why honey is mentioned in the Bible so many times. The inspired holy book contains a lot of repetition to get its point across. ;)

  841. Thank You President Obama for watching out for us consumers!!! Thank You for putting Cordray into the CFPB directorship. Now, it is time to get Elizabeth Warren elected to Congress.


  842. Eiolgj Stop and think about what your saying kiddo. First, how is Anonymous any different than Eiolgj? Second, what is to be scared of really on a blog full of strangers? Middle school antics really won’t serve you well here. Just sayin

  843. Anonymous @ at 9:28 AM – Gina was asking about your words. If Obama was a Muslim would that mean he’s against us? I’m with her. Please explain.

  844. The posting was great, humorous, and like a rapier. The comments, well, they vary. Some are fun, some predictable and boring, and some anonymous. Why bother to read those from people too scared to even use a screen name?

    And as a Christian, I’d like to commend the saying, “You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.” So the hater-type Christians aren’t exactly encouraging converts.

  845. My President is on top of his game, chess, and the opposition is reading the rules for checkers. Like my husband said yesterday, “this is going to be fun!”

  846. bahh spell check…should read

    Gina, did you watch that video link its entirety?

  847. aconventgirl, thanks for the blanket statement with nothing to back it up. I am sure you did your best.

    poolman: “I can’t decide if he’s/she’s/it’s getting paid by the hour or by the post. I’m certain he’s/she’s/it’s an android unemployed under employed.”

    Thanks poolman for proving to everyone once again that Liberals are the party of hate and personal attacks. When your brain and ideology fails to defend you..just make some disparaging remark about the person instead. Told you I was right about Liberals.

    Buddy, way to contribute little buddy!! Look at all those words, yet managed to say nothing. I hope I get the readership on this blog to increase a 100 fold. This is the best proving ground to show the insanity of Liberalism I could ever hope to ask for. While the loons will never change their mind about anything, thinking people will be forced to re access their beliefs. Thanks for doing your part.

    Gina, did you watch that video link it ins entirety?

  848. Please explain, Anonymous.

    “Is the Messiah a Muslim, whose side is he really on, “

  849. As an Iowan, “My” Washington DC. black neighborhood “prediction: the winner is going to be” black. I nailed it too.

  850. Andy Borowitz nailed it! “My Iowa prediction: the winner is going to be white.”

  851. Oh Anonymous. Isn’t it nice to know that your vote negates mine just as mine negates yours. Your posts are so much fun to read because unlike the funny, insightful, original and delightful post from our hosts, yours remind me of a cat running into the open end of an empty paper bag. Keep ‘en coming. I for one think they are hilarious. The more the merrier. And the extra site hits can’t hurt either. Thanks for that as well. Tonight you put Helen on the list of most talked about blogs.

  852. You are a precious American icon. Your posts are witty, entertaining and more importantly, they are right on the money. Don’t ever change!

  853. I can’t decide if he’s/she’s/it’s getting paid by the hour or by the post. I’m certain he’s/she’s/it’s an android unemployed under employed.

  854. “American politics is so crazy but entertaining. Sometimes watching American politics on TV is like watching a satire.” At the same time, a reality show with dire consequences and entitled, “Asshats Without Borders”.

  855. Helen,

    I hope you appreciate Newt’s caption; I know I did. Humor, as you so apparently know, most certainly helps the medicine go down!


  856. Anonymous, please go away and watch Fox ‘news’. You’re very silly and make ridiculous assumptions. As a Canadian, I can honestly say, you know nothing about Canadian politics or our government policies.

    Helen, thank you, once more for a great read! I enjoy your sense of humour and take on current events.

    American politics is so crazy but entertaining. Sometimes watching American politics on TV is like watching a satire.

  857. Hey Helen, about that health care. How many jobs were created?

  858. To the questions of a War on Christianity, Is the Messiah a Muslim, whose side is he really on, and what he believes…I think this about sums it up nicely.

  859. Farsight, thank your for being Liberal. Because as you have pointed out this myopic opinion once already, stating it again only goes to show the low opinion that you have for your fellow Dems, and you, as a Liberal, have to come in and save them from their own stupidity.

  860. This is an awesome video for so many reasons. First and most interesting to me is This Video Shows How Liberals Argue, and How Conservatives Argue. Watch the Liberal how often he misrepresents the truth and misquotes. Watch how the Republican maintains his composure and remains strict to the truth regardless of it it is beneficial or not. Also of note many good facts to blow up Liberal arguments. Liberals, class dismissed. There is a part one to this interview if you wish to see it all.

    While I know you Liberals cannot be honest on here, you will be forced however to be honest with yourself. You know you do what Matthews did on an everyday and ongoing basis. I am just glad it was recorded for everyone to see.

  861. REMEMBER!

    The TROLL, who shall not be named, not only thrives on your feeding of him; he absolutely craves and needs it!

    If you can stomach it, and I’m not saying you should, go back and read his posts. He is willing to plunge to any depth of degradation and redundancy to get attention and elicit a response.

  862. Let us take another look at the truth of the Messiah and the old cronies.

    And again

  863. Helen, I am certain you will have an appreciation for someone who just cuts through the BS and tells it like it is.

  864. Poor nearsight, cannot see the forest through the trees. Your blessed Messiah has fallen. IF he is the man of honor many of you all claim he is, he should just step down. After all he did say he was a 1 term President.

    But since we already know our President to be a liar, both by the 33 broken campaign promises, but also the following video, we know he wont honor his own words.

  865. sorry substitute U for I

  866. Helen, you never cease to amuse and amaze! I took way too much time off from your blog.

    This is an absolutely brilliant statement from The American Prospect today:
    “Four years ago in Iowa, Barack Obama had a terrific night in the Democratic caucuses. Four years later, he had another one in the Republican caucuses.”

  867. ian in hamburg thanks for the laugh at your expense. I use this self-admittedly fringe to then represent all Republicans. It is times like this that remind me why it never pays to reason with the unreasonable.

  868. This Canadian got a laugh from Anonymous. I love it how the right-wing fringe calls us Soviet Canuckistan all the time, but they’ll use us as an example to try to bolster their lame arguments when it suits them.

  869. how about looking in the mirror instead of up to the heavens for ways to live your life?

    Because some of us have something called ideals. Things to strive for greater than ourselves that we can probably never achieve. To be better than those before us and to make our children better that us. All of which is alien to you I assume. I am sure your children are just an investment to take care of you in your later years, and beyond that are of no use or worthy of your consideration.

    And how about doing the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, not because of some imaginary rewards you’ll receive when you die?

    I do what I know to be right each and everyday. Like helping those less fortunate as my ability to do so allows not to exceed what I can afford to spend. Because to do so would harm those that I have sworn to look after first, my wife and children. Again all alien concepts to one who is always the first to ask, “whats in it for me”. To those who say their is no war on Christianity, I point you to Debra and proclaim bullshit!

  870. OldGrumpySteve….
    I was raised on a farm and routinely had to haul the shit out to the field…..and theres a lot of it here…..
    And I enjoy pointing out that Democrats are just as f#cked up (and crooked) as you say Republicans are…….

  871. First of all, I’ve missed you both. Secondly, kudos to you for not deleting comments from the ass hat trolls who have nothing better to do than try to “explain” away the insanity that is the current GOP. And, don’t you just love those religious zealots? So full of belief and so devoid of common sense. Jesus was a man who lived and died. Period. RE: personal responsibility – how about looking in the mirror instead of up to the heavens for ways to live your life? And how about doing the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, not because of some imaginary rewards you’ll receive when you die?

  872. Thanks Helen! Bachman is gone! My husband said she might be picked as somebody’s VP and I said, not on his life. Could not happen, could it?

    Mageen, I am really happy to hear yours news. Happy New Year indeed!

    I believe Mary Jane is just trying to push hot buttons. Her posts do not appear sincere to me.

  873. oldgrumpysteve “To Zandra, Mary Jane and uawtradesman: If you feel that way, what are you doing here?

    Disparaged “I simply can’t understand why people like Mary Jane [and others who come here to do the same thing] who obviously hates you [good Christians always hate despite being told by their god that they shouldn't] and your writing yet insists on coming here to read your posts. Since you seem to bother her that much, why waste her time? I guess some things in life just don’t make sense!”

    Not everyone has the Liberal philosophy that one can only coexist with those that are like them, and execute the rest. Some people understand that to win the war, you need to understand your enemy. But keep being ignorant, will make your defeat that much more enjoyable.

  874. “OMG! Yay! President Obama went through with the recess appointment of Richard Cordray!”

    yes yay, once again our President from another country violated the constitution for his own political ends…something to indeed celebrate.

  875. Helen Philpot, you kind of read like yesterdays newspaper. Talking about what once was or never was. I am sure in your perfect world Republicans would never run and we would be a hybrid of France and Greece. Thankfully we have people with morals and conviction keeping your hell on earth from becoming a reality.

    “Folks, let’s get serious. Since 2008 we’ve reduced our wars by 50%, avoided another Great Depression”

    In a little place I like to call reality, your messiah followed Bush policy almost to the letter. Your hypocrisy really shines here as you bash Bush and praise Obama for identical policies.

    Avoided a great depression for the lingering death that is our economy today. Canada did about 1/3 of a a stimulus as Obama did and their economy puts ours to shame.

    ” and passed a law intended to provide healthcare for the sick and the poor.”

    Yes, what a brain child this bill was. Our worst and weakest economic period in our countries history, and your Messiah passes the largest spending bill in history. Talk about your bad timing. Now we have a government that is endanger of being shut every other month and we lost our credit rating for the first time in history…and you call this a victory? Whose side are you on?

    “They like war and they hate gays, women and those damn government-cheese-sucking poor people”

    Helen, while I have often disagreed with you now you have gone and told some outright lies. While your standards have always been low and dirty, you outdid yourself this time. Let us remember that it was your generation that forced sterilization of the poor and black in this country. Republicans have nothing in their history that compares to the atrocities, yes, atrocities, that your party is guilty of.

    “But wanting to put Rick Santorum in the White House? He thinks birth control should be outlawed. Without birth control you’re going to have more government-cheese-sucking poor people.”

    Here is an idea Helen, keep your dam legs closed. How about teaching your kids personal responsibility. Get your nose out of the stupid box and stop relying on the state run schools to teach your kids life’s lessons. But hey if your putting your daughters out on the street to shore up your social security then you need to take care of the children they produce. You wanna play, then you gotta pay. Its not the kids fault morality has no place in your home, stop making them pay for your poor choices in life.

    Considering what we have going on in society and in our schools, we could do a lot worse than have someone with some family values. Now I understand the phrase family values is probably an unknown to you but Google it.

    “If this pack is truly the best your party has to offer, maybe you should consider a new party – one where they don’t serve tea.”

    Again, we don’t get the best of what this country has to offer because of people like you Helen. Why not step up to the plate and solve our problems oh wise one? You are so dam hot to tell us what is wrong with everyone, step your country ass up and show us how its done. Have one positive contribution in your life before God takes you upstairs. Oh wait, there is no God right? That is just some fictional character we Republicans dreamed up to score political points yes?

    But hey things could be worse. We could be in a party that has doctors that execute unborn children as late as 35 weeks into the pregnancy. Or in a party that advocates gang rapes and murder to further their political ideology. Or better still removes our 2nd amendment rights so an 18 yr old women and her 3 month child can die at the hands of an intruder.

  876. I’ve thought of that too.

  877. I really believe Mary Jane is just messing with us, no?

  878. Mageen, thank goodness it is working.

    Good one UAW Tradesman. (2:32PM0

    Evangelical Christians have a right to their beliefs, so I won’t condemn them. If she is who she says she is, Mary Jane is likely sincere and far from “brainless.”

    However, the more I learn about what good Christians, mainly Lutherans, did to the Sami/Finnish branch of my family tree, the less kindly I feel on a personal level. It would be easy to let my feelings evolve into hatred and anger, but I won’t let them.

  879. Mageen, that is the best news ever! That must be a tremendous relief for you guys. It’s easier to put up with the ugh when you know it’s working! Happy, happy new year to you, sweet lady!

  880. I’m choking on laughter after reading the words of Mary Jane. Bless her brainless little heart.

    Helen, you rock! Keep on keepin’ on honey. Your message never grows old because the truth is eternally refreshing.

  881. [...] [reprinted from Margaret and Helen] [...]

  882. But, oh, the new day is joyous! Husband’s chemo is working. Radiologist could not find the tumor! Total huzzahhhh!

    Awesome mageen! That is good news!

  883. Yhanks for your new post. Keep them coming as I think your posts the only way to get through all the polital stuff coming up. Your posts are a breath of fresh air. and believe me we need it !

  884. Oh God, how I tried! But those politicians still keep putting me to sleep! But, oh, the new day is joyous! Husband’s chemo is working. Radiologist could not find the tumor! Total huzzahhhh!

    This really makes it a Happy New Year! Greetings of same to Margaret and Helen with a plea for more, more, more of your blogs as we roll along.

    As for Mary Jane et al, it might all work out if you only remember to put Christ in Christian.

  885. Mikat:

    Ghandi would love you for remembering his wise words. I admire and appreciate you for remembering and reminding us to all remember his words as well because I feel ‘exactly’ as Ghandi did about Christ and in particular today’s GOP Christians [or religious zealots]. Thank you so very much!

  886. I cannot touch you for you are my sister in christ.

  887. Touch me. Touch me in the morning please!

  888. Helen, you rock! Best blog post of the day. I look at these three guys and I think I must be stuck in some wacky political comedy starring Will Ferrell and two other idiots whose names I can’t remember, and any day now Jack Black will come forth and win the nomination, but it will all be OK because Obama will win the election again and they’ll decided to work together and start a rock band and Bill Clinton will play sax…… It’s not going to happen is it? It really is a Stephen King novel.

  889. Helen,
    I love you. You can look at a situation and sum it up better then anyone, except maybe Jim of stonekettle Nation. The two of you would have an award winning TV show!

    Mary Jane,
    I am once again reminded of what Ghandi said:
    “I love your Christ. I do not love your Christians, they are so UN Christ like”

  890. Helen, once again you have summed up the latest insanity we’ve been watching on TV. I’m glad that Michele decided to call it quits and I only wish that Perry would join her soon. It astounds me still that Huntsman is the only candidate who makes any sense to those who are not right wing religious zealots and yet, he has so little support. I still wouldn’t vote for him, but at least I think he speaks thoughtfully and with knowledge behind his ideas.

    @ poolman: “So to conclude, I hope your warriors spend more time on their knees than they do labeling and dividing us, while merely battling human groups. This ride is entirely about relationships and the number one relationship is kindled within our own heart. Peace.

    Choose you this day who you will serve.”

    Thank you for saying very clearly what I was thinking whenever I was subjected to the ranting of mary jane, who needs to quit judging others based on her lack of quality time studying the Bible. She has clearly skipped the passages that talk about taking care of those who cannot care for themselves. But that doesn’t fit the republican agenda. They are more in line with Ayn Rand than any but Ron Paul want to admit.

  891. “Know who else combines politics and religion? The Taliban!”
    Ever hear of Reverend Wright……Louis Farrakhan…..Al Sharpton…..Jesse Jackson…..(last 2 ran for Prez.)


  892. NOP, Romney is saving himself like Barbie’s boy friend, Ken.

  893. Helen, I love the way you think. Happy New Year to you and Margaret. Please, please, keep ‘em coming. This election year needs all the honesty it can get.

  894. To Helen: Keep it up, we totally adore you and your writing is a delight from beginning to end.

    To Zandra, Mary Jane and uawtradesman: If you feel that way, what are you doing here? Do you go to restaurants and order things you know you don’t like, just so you can complain about them? Well, come to think of it, yes, you probably do.

  895. Know who else combines politics and religion? The Taliban!

  896. Great post M & H! I almost snorted my chili which would not have been good. (waving to a. pie and a few other “oldies)

  897. James, LOL, I commend Mitt for keeping his debating skills under wrap during the Republican debates.

  898. Mary Jane,

    God bless you. You know the battle is spiritual, right? Our armor and weapons are not carnal.

    If the republicans were truly God-fearing, we would see the fruit. Do you remember the standard? They need to mimic Lord Jesus. He set the standard.

    Show love to ALL humans, regardless of race, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, age, income level, physical abilities or appearance. This is a measure of compassion.

    We are to be peaceful and promote peace at all times. We are to be joyous and patient in ALL circumstances. Our intent should always be kind to those in need, sharing provisions without concern for your own needs. We should be ever continuing to do good and promote goodness. We are the faithful, never turning back nor to the left or right, proceeding with a gentle spirit, always exhibiting self-control.

    Now what republican can wear those sandals? I know few people in this life who can.

    We’re all travelers down this mystery highway (kudos to Phil Keaggy and Randy Stonehill). We are all unique. That was His plan. There is no one-size-fits-all ideology. Sorry to need to point that out, but the sooner you accept that, the quicker we can make this a better world for our time here and the subsequent generations we are preparing this place for.

    So to conclude, I hope your warriors spend more time on their knees than they do labeling and dividing us, while merely battling human groups. This ride is entirely about relationships and the number one relationship is kindled within our own heart. Peace.

    Choose you this day who you will serve.

  899. “OMG! Yay! President Obama went through with the recess appointment of Richard Cordray!”
    Have they checked to make sure he paid his taxes??????

  900. another worthless post……
    Helen 5 stars and two thumbs up for you! Brilliant piece of shit pitching…..

    Obama’s not going to win election…..(this makes as much sense)
    Mexico’s grand warlock predicts Obama will lose


  901. Helen [and Margaret], happy New Year to you both. I can only say I hope you will start writing much more in this new year as you have been so sorely missed and there’s so much happening that needs your keen observation.

    I simply can’t understand why people like Mary Jane [and others who come here to do the same thing] who obviously hates you [good Christians always hate despite being told by their god that they shouldn't] and your writing yet insists on coming here to read your posts. Since you seem to bother her that much, why waste her time? I guess some things in life just don’t make sense!

    Love you both!

  902. I’m a first time reader and I really like your blog.

  903. Helen, you are a pistol.

    I’ve officially adopted you and Margaret as my two Grandmas. :)

  904. Margaret & Helen need their own Reality Show!
    THAT i would watch.

  905. JZ never touched the girl…now, her older brother…perhaps.

  906. My children are warriors in God’s army. I had three and would have had more if I could because this world needs more God fearing, Jesus following Republicans. It also needs more bible study groups, guest houses, and storage space. Let his light shine a way in the darkness. Romney might be a Republican but he is no Christian. My vote is for Rick Santorum. Jesus works through him.

  907. Weee dogies that was good! Thank you for brightening my mornin’~*

  908. I kissed MaryJane in HS and touched her in apropriately in home room. The baby didn’t survive.

  909. Mahvelous! Simply mahvelous.

  910. OMG! Yay! President Obama went through with the recess appointment of Richard Cordray!

  911. How did an 8th grader get a gun?


  912. You nailed it again, Helen. I found myself nodding my head in agreement as I laughed out loud. But, you’re right that we need to get serious. Do I want to see our country in the hands of any of these three “winners”? NO!!!!

  913. M & H -so good to hear from you-as always. May 2012 be filled with your insightful posts and their humor. Smiling always helps one face the craziness! Happy new year wishes and pizza for everyone!

  914. Bachmann’s out, but Perry’s still determined. That should be fun.

  915. There you go, KAS.

  916. I will give Mitt credit for one thing. His sons are HOT!

  917. [...] because I really do love ya all bunches, please be advised that the wonderful humor of Margaret and Helen has returned with a post today. Don’t miss Helen’s take on the political [...]

  918. Great post Helen!

    Mary Jane, darling, you should be Michele Bachmann’s running mate. Really. I mean it.

  919. NOP, according to the Globe and Mail, a British outfit, most polls show Obama and Romney virtually tied. Others made last month show that of the Republicans, Romney tends to poll better against Obama. So, there is support for my theory. Others at the caucus said the same thing.

    More importantly, every one of the field is too conservative for my taste, even Romney, in some cases, but it is hard to know what he really believes.

    Don’t forget, NOP, I am pro -choice, pro gay marriage, and I think we needed TARP. I also supported Obama’s policy in Iraq though he was merely continuing what Bush started. I don’t fit the stereotype.

    Poolman, Romney is a smart man with a record. He saved the Winter Olympics when it nearly sank. He was definatly more successful than Obama in his early career. Check out the Gazebo to No Where and the housing developments Obama tried to help as a community organizer.

    You’re right about the bankers, Obama and Romney.

  920. As always Helen, right on. Your post is fantastic. Please write more and don’t wait so long in between posting.

    Thank you!

  921. I agree with Tanya T.! You need some serious TV face time.

  922. Helen 5 stars and two thumbs up for you! Brilliant piece of writing as usual.
    Who knew our squatter crazies have sisters.
    James, the Republicans don’t want Romney, what makes you think you can pawn him off on Independents and Democrats in the General Election?

  923. Romney is a smart man shill with good business politico sense.

    All the bankers money is behind Romney first and then Obama. It’s a win/win for the banksters no matter which one gets in. Too bad. This country is going down hard and fast.

  924. Thank You Ladies.
    Here is a review from the BOROWITZ REPORT too

    Romney Jubilant After Finishing in Dead Heat with Walking Joke in Sweater Vest Mitt: ‘The Eight People Have Spoken’

    DES MOINES (The Borowitz Report) – Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney was overjoyed today after finishing the Iowa caucuses in a virtual tie with a walking joke who wears sweater vests.

    “The eight people have spoken!” exclaimed Mr. Romney, who was joined by supporters celebrating his .0006% margin of victory.
    The former Massachusetts governor put the best face on his razor-thin lead, telling supporters, “Say what you will, but eight votes is still six more than Rick Perry can count.”

    Historians noted that the last time so few people decided a Presidential race they were all on the Supreme Court.
    As for the other candidates, runner-up Rick Santorum said that he had received a phone call from President Obama: “He stopped laughing just long enough to say congratulations.”

    And former House Speaker Newt Gingrich addressed speculation about whether he would leave the race: “Not unless it gets cancer.”
    Get the Borowitz Report delivered to your inbox for free

    Mary Jane: You should have a med check.

  925. Obama will win in 2012. These clowns don’t have a chance.

    Pizza for everyone!!!

  926. I voted for Mitt and defended him at the caucus. I said I don’t believe Obama is the Devil incarnate, and the next speaker said “I think he IS.” Lots of people said good words about Ron Paul. Some wouldn’t support Newt, but they wished they could watch him tear Obama apart in a debate.

    Romney is a smart man with good business sense. He does change faster than the wind, but I think he has the best chance against Obama.

    Perry will be gone with Michele Bachmann soon to follow.

  927. Another interesting post, Helen. You can really, really dish out that pizza!


  928. Mary Jane..I will pray that you get help..

  929. Good Morning Helen! Nice to see a new post from you. I don’t agree with your Ron Paul assessment, but agree the cast of characters is pretty lame. It will be an exciting year going forward.

    I know in my heart that Jesus Christ is a republican.
    :lol: Mary Jane, you have such a wicked sense of humor, I almost took it as sincere. That HAS to be humor.

    I know Jesus and He doesn’t do political parties. He doesn’t take sides in politics or government. As a matter of fact, He thinks this entire world system is evil and decaying more and more, waiting patiently until Dad says it’s time for Him to return. Try getting through the “sermon on the mount” with a conservative filter. It won’t let the bulk of it in.

    That is the problem with “Christians” in America today. They don’t know the real character of Jesus as described in the Gospels.

    As in the days of Noah…

  930. LOL LOL … Excellent post… I know I woke up with a smile on my face this morning…

    My party could not have “ordered” a better outcome.

    And on we go…..

  931. Awesome assessment of the situation. And it is a situation. The continuing implosion of the GOP. I could not be happier. Thanks for your input and keep on writing about it! Love you. Just told my hubby, you have to read this blog this morning!

  932. Wow!!! You are amazing!!!
    I wish my grandmother thought like you.
    I wish more people thought like you!
    What ship are you on in the top photo??

  933. Any of those candidates would be nuts to drop out now. The whole list has been run through once… Circus rings are circular. There could be another round! Anything to avoid selecting Mitt, they say!

    Happy new year, ladies. Good to hear from you. :)

  934. “Rick Santorum in the White House? He thinks birth control should be outlawed. Without birth control you’re going to have more government-cheese-sucking poor people.” PRICELESS. I MISS YOU WHEN YOU DON’T WRITE FOR WEEKS.

  935. I wil pray for your evil soul. You have a chance to save yourself from all of this evil if you would just claim Jesus Christ as your savior. I made terrible decisions in my life but have been forgiven and now I raise my beautiful daughters in his name, Jesus Christ almighty. No, those are not the names of my daugters. You need to pray and ask for forgiveness. Sarah Palin is a wonderful, smart, beautiful woman. You are just jealous. I know in my heart that Jesus Christ is a republican.

  936. Priceless.

  937. Helen you are an old goat that needs a hobby. You look like you ate Ron Paul. Go get a blue rinse and find a Bingo game somewhere and stop being such a Horse’s ass.

  938. Helen, your seat on the CNN set awaits! Somebody get this woman some face time on TV!!! You are the best!!

  939. You go Helen!
    Will be watching NH, tomgnh.

  940. We here in NH are bracing for the onslaught. I’m somehow on the Republican voter list, and have been contacted for probably fifteen polls, each of which I answer in detail. I have been for Huntsman because he accepts global warming, Bachmann because I support special education, and Santorum because I want voters all over America to google his name.

    When you see the polls swing, think of some of us in NH. There is even a tradition here of switching parties just to screw up the results for the opposition.

    But also think of the Free State Project. We have been targeted by Libertarians to move here and take over the political structure. Twenty-eight members of the legislature are Free Staters, and we’ve been through an interesting legislative session.

    I won’t predict a Republican winner.

  941. Thanks Helen and Margaret. On target a usual. Keep ‘em coming!

  942. Helen ~
    You are right on the money, as usual. You have wittily nailed the problem: the gaggle of mediocre and extremist candidates who define and reflect the enormous disarray of the GOP. Their best hope is to dump the intransigent TPers in Congress, convene to re-constitute ‘the middle’ and try again in 2016. Maybe, by then, they will recognize that Huntsman was the only adult in the 2012 GOP ‘room.’

  943. Another priceless post. My sentiments exactly.

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