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Posted by: Helen Philpot | November 24, 2011

Thanksgiving Letter to the Family 2011

Dear Family,

We lost your Grandpa this year and suddenly everyone wants to be together for the holidays.   Well isn’t that just the shit.   I hope you all learned your lesson.  Treasure your family while they are still here – not after they are gone.  Life is a series of lessons.  Pay attention.

Now about Thanksgiving… Your Aunt Trudy thinks that just because Thanksgiving dinner is at her house this year, I am not in charge.  Well bless her heart.  Here are the rules:

  1. This year Cloe’s jello crap is fine by me.  Trudy’s gravy is always a little thin for my taste.  A little jello might thicken it up a bit.
  2. I respect the cook, but 99% of us respect good food even more. I reserve the right to occupy the kitchen and add an extra stick or two of butter to any dish that doesn’t meet with my satisfaction. And for the record,  pepper spray belongs in the kitchen not on college campuses.
  3. I respect the debate, but I reserve the right to grab a bar of soap if I hear  Bill O’Reilly nonsense coming out of your mouth.
  4. You can never have enough paprika in the kitchen.
  5. Mary and Rhonda, feel free to bring the children and the pets.  Harvey hasn’t let Trudy buy new furniture since 1978.  No one will notice an extra stain or two.
  6. Trudy – if I have told you once, I have told you a hundred times – add the bacon and the grease.  Everything tastes better cooked in bacon grease.
  7. Jonathan.  Your Republicans have made fools enough of themselves already.  Don’t add to the idiot parade by claiming you have liked Newt all along.  You liked Michele until Perry came along.  You liked Perry until he said oops.   And you liked Cain until he groped your wife.   It’s just a matter of time until Newt steps in it too.  For goodness sakes, his shoes still stink from the last time he ran.   Like it or not honey, Romney is taking you to the Prom.
  8. Nobody does deviled eggs correctly.  You have to use vinegar.
  9. Nobody does Republican presidential debates correctly.  You have to use your brain.
  10. Marshall.  Your children can’t sing.  There I said it and I am not taking it back.
  11. Bacon.   Trudy, you just have to trust me on this.  Bacon.

Your Grandpa Harold knew you loved him.   Let’s just be thankful we had him as long as we did.  Happy Thanksgiving.  I mean it.  Really.

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  8. My Deviled Eggs don’t have vinegar in them but they do have bacon and olives – in a face off before Christmas my Deviled Eggs were preferred 2:1 over the standard recipe.

    http://mumblingmike.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/mikes-deviled-eggs/

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  9. And to be clear on Joe, He has in the past brought up interesting perspectives. While I considered almost all of them to be flawed at some level, I saw points of merit worthy of discussion. The fact he would not engage his own topics at any level I consider to be lost opportunity for learning and conversation on both sides. And yes at the time found that frustrating when I considered it purposeful. Now I am certain it is more to lack of depth and insight than anything else.

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  10. Are you in a pissy, snarky mood ?
    Not even a little bit.

    I just know what is right and what is wrong. I have little appreciation for blurring the lines and walking the edge. Especially when we are talking about programs at a national level. These programs have a profound impact on millions of people and should not be toyed or experimented with.

    I didn’t ask your thoughts because I figured you would offer up what you felt comfortable putting on here.

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  11. anon-
    hmmm.
    You didn’t ask me what I think a liberal is, you defined me and all liberals in your own terms and from your own POV.
    What kind of conversation is that?
    Any further “talk” is useless as best as I can see.
    I don’t make those kinds of generalizations about either liberals or conservatives as a rule, unless, of course, I’m just in a pissy, snarky mood. Are you in a pissy, snarky mood ?

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  12. Well I don’t expect you to come down on one of your own. One thing that is a defining characteristic of Liberals is that they defend their own without any boundaries or limitations. At least we can agree he is here to be disruptive, and little else.

    As far as there being no Liberal party, we agree to disagree. I am a fiscal conservative. This means I live by logic, I live by numbers, I live by personal responsibility. I believe in hard love, I believe in “true” compassion. I don’t do what feels right, I do what I know to be right. I don’t give people what they want, I give people what they need.

    Despite what Liberals would have you believe, fiscal conservatives probably think about the other guy more than almost anyone else. We are big picture people. We support social programs with one caveat, you pay for it. Assistance at any level always creates dependency at some level. If you are going to offer help, it needs to be done in a sustainable way. To do otherwise is cruel.

    Liberals by my measure do what my Great Uncle taught me never to do. My Uncle always taught me to live within my means, and help with what I could. Take care of my own house first, and help with what was left over, but never more than what you had.

    Liberals are help first, no matter what, and figure all the details later, if ever. I cannot live this way, nor can our country continue to operate this way. Fiscally, they is so little difference I have no issue lumping you all into one box because these policies all take us to the same place, insolvency.

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  13. James-
    examples of what you mean?

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  14. I agree alaskapi, there is no liberal party. However, a large number of liberals and conservatives have such similar attitudes and values that they tend to support specific concepts and legislation as if they were organized political parties.

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  15. anon-
    Point is, out here from watching it all unfold, is that he needles you specifically, which is not really engagement from my POV.
    Or put another way , in the terms you used, from out here watching it, you 2 are playing different games with different rules.
    Assuming he’s here with a plan to
    “bash people over the head relentlessly in hopes to get them to submit to an onslaught of information overload.” is shaky. From out here observing, it appears far more likely he’s having a great time needling you and a few others and watching the resultant explode-o-rama .
    You can engage if you want. doesn’t seem worth it to me.
    There’s no “liberal party”. from a real live dyed-in-the-wool liberal I just have to say there again, there are liberal people, there are liberal groups, there is no liberal party.
    UAW- I look in my mailbox everyday for some venison jerky. Do I have to send some smoked salmon to get any ?

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  16. You nailed it Girl!!!! Thanks for taking the time to make my day a little funnier!

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  17. Juneau Joe, I have defended what you are doing , and I am not accusing you of lying, but your comments about the war are lies of ignorance and misconceptions.

    You rightly say that Obama followed Bush’s time line, but to give Obama special credit for ending a war is misleading without sharing the praise with Bush. Obama had a faster deadline, but he learned it was not realistic.

    To write “it took President Obama to end it” is a bald faced lie because Obama was following the policy of a previous administration. If Bush were still president there is little to show that he would not have followed his own time line.

    It is true Rumsfeld and the administration botched the early part of the war.I think some of those folks should have gone to jail. However, Bush fired Rumsfeld and followed General Patreaus surge strategy. The Democrats had a major issue because the war was killing and maiming a steady number of American and allied soldiers with even more Iraqis killed. Iraq had become a jihadist center as men traveled there to kill an infidel for God.

    The war was unpopular of course, and the Democrats saw a route to election victories. They could have tried to end war funding as they did during the Vietnam War, they could have supported the surge, or they could have supported the status quo. The status quo was their road to political victory.

    Those creatures put their political futures ahead of war-caused deaths. As Politico reported on Feb 13, 2007, “top House Democrats working in concert with anti-war groups have decided against using Congressional power to force a quick end” to the war. They instead “will pursue a slow-bleed strategy designed to gradually limit the administrations options.”

    Democrats launched a major public relations program through the cooperative press and other avenues to ” circumvent the biggest political vulnerablilty of the anti-war movement–the accusation that it is willing to abandon troops in the field.” That fear was why they believed many Democrats hesitated to strongly oppose the war.

    John Murtha and the Democratic leadership tied their attempts to limit the number and service time of troops in the field to make any surge strategy fail.To use such a slow bleed strategy against our own troops for political advantage borders on treason in my opinion. Harry Reid’s declaring the war lost was only one of those creature’s public relations ploys. Those Democrats have bloody hands. And for some to take credit for the war’s outcome fell to the depths of hyprocacy.

    I took it personally because our niece, nephew in law, one of our daughter’s former college room mates and four of our children’s high school classmates and my wife’s former students were there at risk because of the slow bleed. Democrats were “willing to abandon “our” troops, those we knew “in the field”.

    “Jeg har fumlet rundt i market men jeg har funnet vieen ut og jeg skal aldn tilbake did igjen…Ingen barte- bondetamp kan stoppe denn fyren, men na har jeg fatt nok…”

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  18. Point is he asks direct questions of me. I respond and ask the same in return, he never does. His choice but as long as he refuses to engage his own topics in a reasonable manor I have no qualms playing his game. Should he ever care to return to some form of civilized discussion I would be more than happy to give his points full consideration.

    As I have said before and Joe has confirmed dozens of times, he probably nothing more than the links he posts. I don’t think he understands it, and thus cannot defend it. If he were smart, or just a strong advocate of the Liberal party, he would want people to understand and then agree with his point of view. Rather he chooses to bash people over the head relentlessly in hopes to get them to submit to an onslaught of information overload.

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  19. anon-
    I’m not getting into the JJ/you argument (that’s for you 2 to duke out-or not, depending on the patience of Helen and Margaret ) but I will say a couple things that your question about playing fair, assertion of fallacy driven argument, etc.
    From my POV, JJ and you bring a lot of links of POVs, he far more than you, here in some kind of dueling POV dealie. He doesn’t want to debate, you do. That difference has nothing to do with fairness- just another kind of difference.
    There’s no compulsion here to stand-up-for-yourself or defend -your-stance though those of us who enjoy the latitude the blog owners allow for extended and off -subject conversation tend to expect it. If someone, in this case JJ, doesn’t want and won’t engage , why keep expecting it?

    As for fallacy driven argument- well, I’m going to throw the idea out here that what is really going on is a duel between mindsets as opposed to some kind of practical argument and that no amount of using rules of argument stuff is going get to the meat of the difference. Find another way to talk about it all and forget trying to get someone to engage who doesn’t want to – or won’t.

    BTW, your remark ‘Its a (shame) Liberals like Joe … ” is actually the closest you’ve come in awhile in narrowing your own argument to a specific class/type of liberal which has a POV you don’t like as opposed to damning all liberals and anyone who is part of that whole just by virtue of association. Disagree with what you said but glad to see a shift away from the hasty-generalization fallacy there.

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  20. Here you go Democrats…especially for you Joe. :wink:

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  21. alaskapi. Tell you what. I would be happy too if you can tell me in all honesty, does Joe play fair. IMO he is one of the worst offenders when it comes to using fallacy driven arguments. He isn’t making an honest attempt to present his case. He is almost always misleading, misrepresenting, and out right telling lies. I would be interested to see if you agree, disagree, or agree in part and if so to what extent?

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  22. Juneau, I’m going to shoot straight with you.

    Frankly you’re a lemming and a simple partisan hack, without original thought. Having you included in the give and take here, while quite humorous for me, is analogous to adding a tackling dummy to the line of scrimmage in a real game. You take up space, and force your more capable quarterbacks of running around the dummy, only interfering with your own team to score a touchdown.

    If you really wanted to do Obama a favor, the best thing you could do would be to get informed from real news sources not telling you want you want to believe from other partisan hacks, think things through rationally by applying logic and reason to the data while confirming the data accurate, come to your conclusions, and explain in YOUR OWN WORDS how you arrived at those conclusions by providing some convincing authority. I could pick virtually everything you post here apart if I so chose, but it would be a waste of bandwidth and an exercise in futility concerning the make up of the audience.

    I’m hesitant to tell you this because I don’t want to do Obama a favor. But you really do your party a disservice by providing the perfect caricature of unprincipled buffoon.

    You lend guys like me much ammunition as to why Obama is unfit to be President, beyond just the results of his Presidency, by pointing to the sycophantic nature and idiocy of many of his constituents.

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  23. Iraq War: It took President Obama to end it actually. The TimeLine was President Bush’s, which I applaud.
    Facts: Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld really made a mess in Iraq when they were in charge. They had too few troops and fired Generals when they said they needed more. They ignored the looting and stealing which happened because there were not enough troops.

    It wasn’t until Rumsfeld got out that a reasonable policy was started.
    The objective to settle the country down and make an exit plan came about with President Obama.

    Thank You President Obama.

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  24. anon- “race card” is a white invention as is “reverse racism”
    can you find a fully human way to take on the questions…?

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  25. Cynthia- I laughed good and loud and long at that “gift ” idea but tonight I will be emailing Alaska Republican Senate President Gary Stevens and , again, thanking him for standing up for all Alaskans.
    He delivered this speech to a mindlessly pro-development group yesterday :

    http://www.aksenate.org/

    We do things differently here than most places . Most voters are registered N or U- non-partisan or undeclared. The Ns and Us far outnumber the Rs and Ds,
    Also, in our short history as a state we have almost always had bipartisan majority caucusses in the House and Senate.
    We elect our fair share of dirtbags and lulubirds but we also elect plenty of fine folks. Senator Gary Stevens is a good and decent man and has done well for his district and all of the rest of us.
    I disagree with him on a number of things but when it comes to the important stuff I almost always agree.

    I’ve been a registered D for 39 years, am mad at them half the time and the national R’s all the time but when it comes down to where I live I don’t give a damn about the alphabet thingy, just the actions.

    I’ll be emailing all the state Senators, Ds AND Rs, who stood with him in the spring again too-
    I just wish the national folks could get their dumb act together in a similar way too.

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  26. that should read “Its a shame”

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  27. Edgar Winters is another top contender.

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  28. I think Connan OBrien can give Romney a run for his money for the title “whitest man alive.” He is what Indians meant when they said “pale face.”

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  29. “The Whitest White Man Alive”

    Its a shale Liberals like Joe keeping using racism to further their twisted ends. Joe, don’t you think we should stop with the race card?

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  30. That Keep America American was merely a stupid catch phrase, and you know it.

    Some bloggers and later MSNBC tried to make it into something it wasn’t. Chris Mathews and the reporter apologized because the smear of Romney was obviously false.

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  31. The troops left on Bush’s schedule, not Obama’s. The United States and Iraq endorsed a Status of Forces Agreement in 2008 requiring all US forces to leave by December 31, 2011.

    “Thank you” President Bush “for ending the war in Iraq.” And “thank you President Obama” for staying true to Bush’s plan.

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  32. After multiple deployments: Our heroes, which they are, need to get back to family and friends and make a ‘normal’ life for themselves and those they love.

    The Whitest White Man Alive
    December 15, 2011

    Today’s award goes to Mitt Romney.

    Romney adopted the phrase Keep America American, which is kinda nuts on it’s face because what else would America be? Icelandic? To me, it’s kinda like saying, Keep Meat Meaty.

    But, there’s a deeper meaning than that. That same exact phrase was used by the KKK when they didn’t think blacks were …. well, you know … people.

    When the white supremacist group used “Keep America American,” it was to rally people against blacks American, gay people, Catholics and Jews. When Romney’s used it, as he did in this Los Angeles Times piece, it was to promise that as president he would “keep America American with the principles that made us the greatest nation on Earth.”

    And those principles would be? Diversity? Tolerance? Playing fairly?

    Nah, probably not.

    http://juanitajean.com/

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  33. I could disagree with Joe more. Our troops are heroes and deserve a heroes greeting.

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  34. Thank You President Obama for ending the war in Iraq. Thanks for the quiet meeting with the troops too. I like it over you landing on an aircraft carrier with a sign Mission Accomplished!! A quiet, dignified end was perfect! Thank You President Obama.

    Dennis Kucinich
    ‎4,421 US Deaths. 31,921 US Wounded. Over $806 Billion Spent. As the Iraq War “officially” ends today, it’s important we remember how it began — based on falsehoods and misinformation. We should never again put the lives of our brave soldiers at risk because of lies.

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  35. send any contributions to USA Shooting……http://www.usashooting.org/…..
    USA Shooting, a 501c3 non-profit corporation, was chartered by the United States Olympic Committee as the National Governing Body for the sport of shooting in April 1995.
    Donations matched by the NRA until the first of the year…..

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  36. In the spirit of the season, this one’s for you, Helen:

    http://theobamadiary.com/2011/12/14/altogether-now-3/

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  37. Social Security spent $49 billion more in 2010 than it took in as tax collections. By the time 2011 ends, it expects to outspend collections by another $46 billion.

    Still think we can afford Obama Care?

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  38. Yes, that is a wonderful suggestion Cynthia. Please add me, your beloved Republican friend, to your email list. I do hope you win the raffle.

    As I reminded Donna last November when she made her “huge” contribution to the DNC that I “couldn’t possibly afford” after being offended with opposing facts and being referred to as harpy – if there was anything more delicious than watching Barack Obama get eviscerated in last November elections, it was the fact that while Obama was “shellacked”, his rubes had contributed their own monies to the shellacking in my name. :twisted:

    Like sweet Icing on the delicious cake. I can still taste the flavor.

    Those of you who still believe in the profundity of “Yes We CAN!!”, please feel free to send me a Birther Mug, preferably one with the First Wookie included with Benevolent Barack on the cup.

    I’ll treat it with the respect it deserves as I sip from it in the first week of November 2012, possibly even adding my own artistry to the cup, postage paid of course.

    Thank you in advance. :wink:

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  39. I read that ad. It is a clever way to get Democrats to contribute to the campaign.

    Their bit of fun won’t be at my expense or anyone elses if they give us free stuff. It will be at their expense. If some one wants to waste money on a stupid birther mug let him/her. If I need it, I will use it. Otherwise I will re gift it, and we all will have a nice laugh..

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  40. I for one think Christmas is about coming together despite our differences so I will take exception to Cynthia’s call to zap a rival one more time before the new year.

    Rather than take the money to feed into a corrupt political machine, might I suggest that money would be better spent on families struggling to provide presents for their children this year or even donating to a local food pantry. Let this Christmas be about the two most important part of Christmas, Jesus and our kids. Just sayin.

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  41. Happy Birthday Helen although somewhat belated! May you have many more; we need you to keep us sane in this crazy world.

    If you are wondering what to get your conservative friends or relatives here is a great suggestion:

    Everyone’s got that special conservative in their life.

    Maybe it’s your dad, who forwards you every chain email about the President’s birth certificate, or your neighbor, who just put up a Mitt Romney sign.

    Dealing with these folks can be … frustrating.

    This holiday season, we’re giving you a chance to have a little bit of fun at their expense. Let a Republican in your life know they inspired you to make a donation to the Obama campaign — chip in $15 or more today.

    When you give to the campaign, simply enter your Republican friend’s email address and they’ll get a note letting them know that they motivated you to donate — which will surely make their day.

    Not only that, but when you donate today, you’ll be entered to win a chance to have dinner with the President and First Lady. Just picture how good it’ll feel to let your honoree know about those dinner plans.

    The other side is busy scrambling for the Iowa caucuses and a long string of primaries, trying to find a nominee. Meanwhile, we’ve got our candidate — and we’re already doing the work to get ready for November.

    Give your conservative friends the gift of knowing they’ve inspired you to donate. After all, actions speak louder than words.

    Please donate $15 or more today:

    https://donate.barackobama.com/Your-Inspiration

    Thanks,
    Julianna

    Julianna Smoot
    Deputy Campaign Manager
    Obama for America

    P.S. — Really want to fire up your GOP friends? Buy them a gift from the 2012 store. I recommend the birther mugs — they get the message across pretty well.

    Peace.

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  42. Juneau Joe, it was Clinton’s lying in court that brought on his impeachment and nothing more. Paula Jones sued and accused President Clinton of sexual harassment for an incident which occurred before he became president. During the trial, Clinton lied under oath about oral sex with Monica Lewinsky. Jone’s lawyers thought the blow job created a pattern of behavior which would convict Clinton. Bill apparently agreed.

    Clinton lied to protect himself, and he also encouraged Lewinsky to lie in a signed affidavit. Clinton was then guilty of suborring perjury.

    :Paula Jones lost the case, and Clinton didn’t have to lie. But he did, and thanks to Linda Trip, justice was done. Had we done what Bill did, we would have gone to jail. His impeachment without losing his job and his losing his license to practice law were fitting punishments.

    I am a nominal Republican, and as long as it doesn’t affect your job or do harm to anyone, you cold be sleeping with a mountain goat for all I care. Barney Frank can do what he wants, but when his lover runs a house of prostitution in their home or he gives special favors to a boy friend who works for Fannie or Freddie, then, I care. That also applies to heterosexual couples. Gender has nothing to do with it.

    Bush set the hunt for bin ladin in motion during a war Obama criticized. He did spend the time and resources to find bin ladin, but it was difficult with so many sympathetic people hiding bin ladin.. Our niece and her husband were helping as early as 2003. Obama continued the same policy Bush started. One of the leads came from Obamas’ driver, I believe, and knowledge of him may have come from a water boarding interrogation. Leon Penetta hinted as much.

    Obama did nothing to get Osama except issue an order. The same would have been true of Bush. The government had knowledge of Osama’s location a long time before they killed him. They wanted to be sure they could pull it off. I agree it was a great achievement, but to say Obama personally kills terrorists is a stretch. Speaking from experience of what the deed requires, he wouldn’t have the guts. Most people in his position wouldn’t.

    I do approve of his expanding Bushs’ drone program and zapping more terrorists. I approve of other parts of Obama’s war policy which was largely a continuation of Bush’s. I do not approve of giving Obama or anyone else more credit than they deserve for murdering our enemies. The real credit goes to the soldiers who did the deed.

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  43. Wow..your a freak Joe. Put down the crack pipe.

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  44. James: It was a blowjob which created the impeachment. BTW: Why do Republicans like peeking into people’s bedrooms? Small government except for bedroom peeping GOPs to see if same sex folks are frisky.

    Facts: The Republicans have shoved it in our faces mercilessly for years on end, so why don’t we let it all hang out and give our young people the answers in a language they can understand.

    “Son, I know you’re only eight, and even though it’s fun playing around in my head trying to explain this all to you in highbrow medical terms, the Republicans want sex education forced upon you. So here it is.

    “Oral sex is commonly called a blowjob. It’s when someone puts someone else’s pee-pee in their mouth and sucks on it. There is a Republican newspaper called the American Spectator that said a lady, Paula Jones, did that with the president. She is the lady the Republicans bring on TV all the time; you know, the one with the braces, the big nose, and the scraggly hair. She says she did not give the President a blowjob even though she says he showed her his pee-pee and asked for one. She says his pee-pee got big, which is commonly known as a hard-on, and that the President’s hard-on leans a certain way. So she got mad that the Republican magazine said she did something she did not do, and so she wants the president to give her $2 million because the magazine lied about her. I know, I know, it’s hard for even me to understand. Suffice it to say that’s what is called Republican politics.

    Then another girl named Monica Lewinsky said in court she did not give the president any blowjobs. But a Republican lady named Linda Tripp put a tape recorder in her pants and got the girl to say she did give the president blowjobs. The Republican lady gave the tape recording to the Republican police, who hate the president very much because he is a popular Democrat, and they want to destroy him so he can’t be president any more and they can throw him in jail. So the Republican police put a tape recorder in the Republican lady’s pants again and had her talk to the girl and try to get her to say she gave the president blowjobs. The head Republican policeman, Ken Starr, is trying to destroy the president because the Republicans in the government told him to.

    Anyway, when someone gets a blowjob, a little while later the hard-on squirts some stuff out that isn’t pee-pee; it’s what makes babies. But that is a whole other story that I intend to have some Republican come by and explain to you tomorrow. The Republicans said that stuff squirted on the girl’s dress, so they had the Republican police run to her apartment and get all her dresses. When that stuff gets on other stuff they call it peckertracks. So the Republicans are checking it out to see if the peckertracks are the president’s. They can tell because Republicans like playing with peckertracks and know all about such things.

    http://rackjite.com/web/bj_impeachment.htm

    Osama lived in his house for 5 years!!!! Bush should get credit if he had spent the time and resources to find Bin Laden during his term. (Again: Osama lived in the house for 5 years!!! President Obama made finding him a priority and risked a dangerous operation to get Bin Laden. ASK BIN LADEN if President Obama coddles terrorists!!!! Good Question.

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  45. .
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    2 cents here…2 cents there…
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    PEACE ~ Δ

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  46. that’s suspicious activities. dam spell check.

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  47. I find it interesting Obama chose to let Iran keep our drone technology. You can bet that China will be reverse engineering this in no time and cause some serious damage to our national security. You would think he would have done everything in his power to destroy that drone or try and recover it. Poor judgement.

    This new act that has been talked about on here about the Military being given legal rights to arrest and detain US citizens indefinitely looks as if it has the votes to pass. Another surprise is that Obama’s main objection is that it lessens his powers, which are diverted to the military. I was rather hoping he would object based on how this bill circumvents the 5th and 6th amendments to our Constitution.

    Also out today is that our cellphone carriers have turned over our personal information gathered from our cell phones over to the FBI. Including the access to the GPS units inside almost all cell phones to track our movements.

    Then there is an investigation into people who are stockpiling provisions for whatever reason, to see if they are involved in any specious activities.

    How do we loose Liberty? One personal freedom at a time. I wonder how many we will have to lose before people wake up to the fact something is terribly wrong with our government today?

    For the record this is a very large part of why I am for small government. It has gotten so bloated, and so involved in our lives, and it is daily granting itself new powers. And as we know power corrupts, it always does.

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  48. That’s plain dumb Mamawink Obama was following policies begun by Bush and all he did was issue an order. By that logic Obama lost two drone planes last week.The knowledge of our defenses in enemy hands may be harmful to us.

    Clinton was not impeached because of a blow job. He was impeached for obstruction of justice when he lied under oath.

    Republicans do deserve some credit for budget surpluses. The Clinton administration was also lucky with the end of the Cold War and and the internet bubble.

    Micheal Savage offered Newt a million dollars to drop out of the race. I wish he had accepted the offer.

    Character didn’t matter, we were told when Clinton ran. He was a dispicible human but he was smart and a pretty good president. Given the rationale during Clinton’s years, I only will judge a politician on how his/her character affects his job performance.

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  49. @JuneauJoe. LOL!! The best comeback of the year: Ask Bin laden….Dick Cheney’s head is still spinning from that one.

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  50. Helen, happy birthday wishes! May you enjoy many more.

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  51. Sorry I Repost, I just don’t care. Newt’s not the man. Just as Bush isn’t President. But then again you are so blinded by hate and towing the party line what I say really makes no difference. You and yours are why we don’t have the best of the best stepping up to serve this country. You are a disgrace and public enemy #1 as far as I am concerned.

    Just remember to tell the kids whose future you f*cking over that your vote helped make it happen.

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  52. You know Juneau. You’ve already proven one thing to me. You can’t run on your man of hope and change record, so it has already become apparent, that one year out, you’re going to have to demonize and lie through your teeth, because it’s all you know and all you got. I get that, being I know how personally lame and naive you are. Not the brightest bulb in the M&H cabinet.

    But if you’re going to demonize, you really ought to quit with the baloney, because I’m going to have to call you on the lying, something you frequently do here on this really swift blog.

    Divorced wife 1 while she was going through cancer treament. He was having an affair at the time of Divorce 1.

    According to the daughter, who by the way still has a great relationship with her father, and I think she probably would know truth a little more than you, that bullshit about divorcing while the wife had cancer? The divorce was in the works while the mother was diagnosed and the tumor benign. The dead beat bunk is such a lie it is laughable, and a pack of rumors that won’t die continually being propagated by imbeciles like you that aren’t even smart enough to know when they’re being used by limp noodles like KKKos.

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/jackie-gingrich-cushman/setting-the-record-straight.html

    Do you personally relish getting bitch slapped in an debate, or something? Maybe a masochist by nature? Even I, an pure antagonist of the politics of this site, was taken back by you ruining the last thread with hundreds of stupid links to meaningless propaganda. I can well imagine what the regulars must have thought. Frankly, you’re a pain in the ass, certainly no asset to the liberal cause, and would do Obama a huge favor by taking a hammer to your broadband access and simply voting the straight party line.

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  53. A few facts: Divorced wife 1 while she was going through cancer treament. He was having an affair at the time of Divorce 1. Divorced Wife 2 and was having an affair with wife 3. It was during this time he pushed for impeachment of Pres. Clinton for a blowjob. He was seen getting a blow job in his car – as his kids walked up to see how he was doing.
    -A real family values kind of guy. Oh yes, he is for marriage between one man and one woman and he promises he will not get another divorce. (He is 68 years old.)
    -He voted against the Clinton tax increases but takes credit for the surplus that President Clinton left.
    -Newt now wants to reinstate Glass-Steagall but worked for its repeal.
    -Used tax exempt funds for political propagandizing.
    -Had to give up Speakership and pay a $300,000.00 fine for his lies.
    -Got paid Millions as a lobbyist, even though he did not register. He did a lot of bad mouthing and political gamesmanship badmouthing Freddie Mac but took 1.6 million – just before the housing crash.
    -DEAD BEAT DAD NEWT: Got elected as Newts family is just like your family and divorced 16 months after being elected. Then his first wife had to go to court to get him to pay for his kids expenses.

    Again: Newt is a lousy human being. Read the whole article. That is just a little bit of info about Newt.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/11/1044071/-Newt-Gingrich-is-a-lousy-human-being

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  54. If this just doesn’t sum up our media today.

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  55. Welcome back I Repost. Nice opinion pieced based on everything but fact.

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  56. Newt is a lousy human being!!

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/11/1044071/-Newt-Gingrich-is-a-lousy-human-being

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  57. For those that would claim there is no war on Christians and/or Christmas, I submit the following into evidence.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/epic-fox-segment-host-kicks-atheist-off-show-for-calling-jesus-the-nativity-an-insult/

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  58. A good measure of the state of the economy today.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/these-cities-have-fired-their-police-forces-because-of-the-economy/

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  59. Hello Margaret and Helen. Christmas cheer. Hope the feast went well, the bacon grease tasty, and the family well. If the turkey seemed smaller, no worries. Obama has promised “next year”, everything will be prosperous.

    I have appreciated the “use” of your blog over the past year to set the record straight. You’ve been a good sport. Thought at this time of peace and goodwill, an election year at hand, it might be a necessary time to review the economic success of five trillion dollars of debt and the last three years of The One.

    ————

    Apparently and contrary to what Debbie Whatshername Schultz says about the private sector adding jobs the last 21 months, nobody can seem to find them.

    ——-

    NOW

    I’ve always believed that this was a long-term project,” Obama told CBS’s Steve Kroft, and that it “was gonna take more than a year. It was gonna take more than two years.”

    THEN

    • On Feb. 2, 2009, Obama told the “Today Show” that “a year from now I think people are gonna see that we’re starting to make some progress,” and that “if I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

    On Feb. 12, 2009, he predicted that his $830 billion stimulus would “ignite spending by businesses and consumers” and unleash “a new wave of innovation, activity and construction … all across America.”

    • On Feb. 26, 2009, Obama’s first budget projected that by 2011 the economy would be cooking ahead at 4% real GDP growth, with unemployment at 7.1% and falling fast.

    • On Feb. 7, 2010, he said “we are seeing the corner turn and the economy growing again.”

    • On June 4, 2010, Obama claimed the “economy is getting stronger by the day” and later that month said the recovery was “well under way.”

    ——–

    Using even the fudged data of last weeks 8.6% unemployment number, if 62.7 percent of the country was still counted as in the workforce as it were in Jan. 2009, unemployment would be 11 percent. In that sense, the real unemployment rate — the apples-to-apples unemployment rate — is 11%.

    And the real unemployed and underemployed rate — the so-called “U6″ — is near 20%.

    There are some great things about growing old – selective memory being one. And a little hope and change that perhaps this time next year, we can really celebrate granting clemency to the biggest turkey of them all, sending he and his wife Michelle Antoinette off to green pastures, still waters and a lifetime of swordfish sliders.

    Be of good cheer! :mrgreen:

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  60. See, search long and hard enough, and common ground can be found.

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  61. Funny how government works

    PEACE ~ Δ

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  62. This is the “Halleluliah Chorus” sung by some of the 99% as you have never heard it or seen before. This video is from the small Yupiq Eskimo Village of Quinhagak, Alaska. It was a school computer project intended for the other Yupiq villages in the area. Much to the villagers’ shock, over a half million people have viewed it.

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  63. Is Margaret dead yet?

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  64. Funny how government works

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  65. Helen, I am wishing you a belated Happy Birthday. In case, I don’t post again before Christmas, I want to wish you, your family and Margaret’s family a beautiful and joyful holiday. Happy New Year also. May you stay healthy and strong, and keep posting your ideas and speaking your mind. We love it and you so much.

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  66. Thanks for the link. Happy birthday.

    I’m not so sure Helen, Margaret, and the family don’t like it this way. It is rarely boring.

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  67. Thank you anon@8:55. Had thought there was some mention over the life of their blog but hadn’t found it.
    So I repeat- congratulations and Happy Birthday week, Helen and thank you for having us all in- even when we make things up, argue over doodly-squat, and barf on your parlor rug, which we’ve been doing pretty much since you allowed us all to stop by.

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  68. Margaret wished Helen a happy birthday here.

    http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/what-shoes-would-jesus-wear/

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  69. December 11, 2011 at 10:40 AM = hypocrisy

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  70. Dear Helen-
    If it really is your birthday week, congratulations and Happy Birthday !
    You are a pretty darn upfront person and most important things like your recipe for bacon dressing are easy to find here, mention by you or Margaret of your birth date, not so much…
    Thank you for having us all in . I mean it. Even when we make things up, argue over doodly-squat, and barf on your parlor rug.

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  71. Happy Birthday Helen, Sorry for these asshats that cannot wish you a birthday without taking a dig at others. I humbly apologize for them.

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  72. Hope you had a great Birthday, Helen. Sorry for the rest of these Ass Hats that don’t even acknowledge your Birthday and just continue to USE your blog to “interact”. Sad.

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  73. Pfessor, I agree about gambling’s being an abomination. Our church treasurer stole $60,000 from our church to support her gambling habit. She escaped prison because our tender hearted church declined to press charges if she paid the money back. She borrowed from relatives and has finally paid her debt to them.

    My wife and I watched dog races when we lived in Rapid City, but we only bet between our selves. At the end of one race a woman wailed to her friend, “What am I going to do!!?? I just lost this weeks grocery money!!”

    I also agree politicians use gambling as a regressive tax on many who are desperate.

    However, what we did to the Indians is an abomination. Pine Ridge, South Dakota is an abomination.

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  74. Thanks for the advice, Cynthia. I wasn’t planning to buy a genetic service until we recovered from the flood. I’ll be even more careful in the future. Yesterday, I found some information which carries our family back to around 1100 a few generations after they moved to England from Normandy. Since I carry the mutation for blue eyes, I know my ancestors lived north of the Black Sea 8,000 to 10,000 years ago.

    If you are still out there, what is the German mood about the economy and the EU?

    I agree about the wild horses.

    You mentioned “insignificant comments” which are ruining the site. But who is to judge? Certainly the owners don’t express an opinion. Juneau Joe and anon, for example, have bickered for months. Both take time to find links to support their views and then write. The other anon, who delights in throwing stuff like a caged chimpanzee surely thinks her efforts are significant.
    As you know, we have free will within the constraints of our attitudes, values, and genetics. For some, the price of posting here is not worth the trouble. For others it is worth the effort, and they control the content. You know what to do if you don’t like the subject matter.

    Here is an old joke if you are a determinist. Two Presbyterians walked along a street. One fell and broke his arm. The other said “Aren’t you glad that’s over?”.

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  75. Fifty-two percent (52%) of voters now share the pessimistic view that America’s best days are behind us.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds the generic Republican earning 49% support to Obama’s 41%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and seven percent (7%) are undecided.

    Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. As of 12/11/11

    Almost no one wins elections with these numbers.

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  76. James said:

    “I support local Indian casinos. They have helped the reservation economies and ours. Some on our side of the river work at casinos. We stole from them, and now, they steal from us.”

    Government-sanctioned gambling is IMHO a abomination. Since it produces nothing, it is just a tax. What kind of tax? (Well, first it’s a tax on people who flunked math, LOL) – and secondly, poor people. It is a severely regressive voluntary tax that rich people never pay, and if they did, $20 bucks here, $100 there is no big deal – but it’s grocery money to those who most often play it. I have watched the players at the local convenience stores – they are some of the most raggedy-assed people you ever saw, a lot of time with small children, playing the lottery without any understanding whatsoever of what their real odds are. It’s IMHO just another example of the moral weakness of politicians, who want money to spend no matter where it comes from.

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  77. Happy Birthday Helen!
    You are the best!

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  78. Happy Birthday Helen! And many more!

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  79. It’s Helen’s birthday? Fantastic! Happy birthday, Helen!

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  80. Happy Birthday Helen! :-)

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  81. Oh My, FOX is aghast that polls show President Obama winning in 2012.
    They even showed it of FOX!!! The Republican ship is already starting to sink.

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  82. I’ll show you my invitation if you show me yours Anon

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  83. Cynthia, I concur with your mathematical assessment of attributes 100%. But how can you say such uncomplimentary remarks about the polymaths who have taken up uninvited residence here at M&H? Or is the word, polygluttonous?

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  84. What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in life?

    Here’s a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

    If:
    A B C D E F G H I J K L M is represented as:
    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
    and
    N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z is represented as:
    14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

    Then:
    H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K
    8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%
    and
    K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
    11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%
    But,
    A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
    1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%
    And,
    B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T
    2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%
    AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.

    A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
    1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

    So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that While Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, it’s the Bullshit and Ass kissing that will put you over the top

    Peace.

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  85. A bit of catching up here. I can report the weather in Berchtesgaden, Germany had an unusually mild November with no rain so of course no snow. If you were planning a ski vacation in the German Bavarian Alps I would suggest you call first for ski conditions.

    I did family history for 10 years until about 2 years ago. The DNA thingy was talked about quite often during that time. It was said that it was relatively new idea and companies offering to help you discover your roots had little information in their databases but this did not stop them from taking your money and giving you a “guess” as to where you came from. I would suggest you really research before sending money.

    25,000 to 35,000 wild horses have been removed from BLM land and placed in pens. These are wild animals used to freedom not being confined to a small area with nothing to do, little shade and fighting for food. Horses are not being care for properly and injured animals are not being vetted out. They say they have “over populated” the land and this must be done. I think it is more like the cattle people are looking for free grazing and the hunters who want their prey fat and not competing for grass and of course they have the money and power. A wild horse needs someone with experience but most experienced horsemen don’t wish to waste their time. So there is a supply and demand problem. Google – Wild horses kept in pens for information. Checking Craig’s List you will find a number of “free to good home” or quality horses cheap because there is no hay or can no longer afford the up keep. I keep telling my mare she is very lucky. I will say that horse meat is better than beef, less fat and high in protein but has a sweet taste.

    I have heard it said that women talk too much but have little of interest to say. I believe men suffer from the same problem. This blog has a number of men who must simply love the sound of their fingers clicking on the keyboard that they have to comment on everything posted. It is my opinion this is part of the problem of people not wanting to come here. AND after awhile it is so filled with insignificant comments some of us can no longer download it even if we wanted to comment.

    How come all good things end up getting phucked?

    Peace.

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  86. HAPPY BIRTHDAY HELEN!!! I am so pleased that Anonymouse has not banned you from your blog. Thank You for blogging. Keep up the great work! From a fan.

    Hannity said GW Bush got Osama Bin Laden. Talk about rewriting history.

    http://rackjite.com/archives/8752-Fox-News-Sean-Hannity-says-Bush-got-Bin-Ladin.html

    Besides being an absolute lie, it’s bizarre for Hannity to claim that Bin Laden was Dubya’s victory when Bush stated himself that Bin Laden just ‘wasn’t that big of a priority.” In fact, Bush admitted that Bin Laden was far from being on his mind, and soon closed the case on him.

    Oddly there was a time when Bin Laden was on Dubya’s mind. In fact, he must have been in contact with him or his family. When all planes were grounded on 9/11, Bush made one exception, for all of Bin Laden’s large and far-flung family to fly out. I guess he lost interest on 9/12.

    Hannity unwisely wants to credit Bush with finding Bin Laden. It’s not true, and the shocking tape is proof that he not only isn’t responsible for getting Bin Laden, but it appears that he may have aided in his escape through benign neglect.

    Anonymouse: I saw a dead Porcupine and a live skunk. Would either of those work for Sarah’s hair piece? Sarah needs to be on THE DONALD DEBATE. It could be called DONALD AND THE THREE STOOGES

    PALIN/ANONYMOUSE 2012

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  87. Happy Birthday Helen! Wishing you all the best and many MANY more years of you and Margaret blogging away!

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  88. Alaskapi, the flu pandemic was devastating if it took 60% of the people. That was different from the two examples I used. Twice, I was in a deteriorating culture, once when a base closed and also, when flu disabled over 60% of the population. In both cases, the center fell apart. If too many older people died, I can understand how their deaths could have damaged the culture by stopping the transmission of old traditions.

    I wonder what happened to culture when even more deaths nearly destroyed entire populations. The genetic record shows that at least once practically all of the human race died. Only a few hundred people survived. The same happened to the Fins and Sami during the last ice age.

    Indian citizenship was complicated by the fact that as you wrote, they were regarded as citizens of nations under United States protection. As such, they did not have to pay taxes or follow some US laws. They would have to be naturalized as any foreign immigrant was.

    In 1884, John Elk sued because he had renounced his allegiance to an Indian tribe and lived in Omaha. He was not allowed to register to vote. He lost his case.

    The 1924 voting rights law produced a mixed reaction. Some Indians supported it because it made them able to fully participate in society, but others did not. Charles Santee, a Sioux from northeast Nebraska supported greater integration into American society, but he was suspicious of voting rights. He and others worried sufferage would weaken tribal sovereignity and identity. Two progressive white groups did most of the work to establish voting rights. One arguement they made was that so many Indians joined the Army to fight in WW1, they deserved the right to vote.

    English speaking people are changing world culture to a lessor degree, but in the same way we have changed native people. Much of the world speaks English, wears the same clothes, and eats at the same fast food restaurants. They listen to our music, watch our movies and produce their own versions of television shows like Dancing With the Stars.

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  89. Oh no! :roll:

    It’s Laughterburner with Whittle Bill.

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  90. Hey Jo-jo, glad I was able to manipulate you back on topic. Actually it is impossible to pay for even 1 year of this administrations policies even if we take it all, and I mean it all.

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  91. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/05/382162/morgan-stanley-executive-higher-taxes-rich/

    Several wealthy bankers, investors, and entrepreneurs have called for higher taxes on the rich as an important part of reducing the nation’s deficit, led most prominently by Warren Buffett. “It is mathematically impossible to invest enough in our economy and our country to sustain the middle class (our customers) without taxing the top 1 percent at reasonable levels again,” wrote wealthy entrepreneur Nick Hanauer in an op-ed last week. “Significant tax increases on the about $1.5 trillion in collective income of those of us in the top 1 percent could create hundreds of billions of dollars to invest in our economy, rather than letting it pile up in a few bank accounts like a huge clot in our nation’s economic circulatory system.”

    Anonymouse/ Palin 2012 – PLEASE GET SARAH TO JOIN THE DONALD FOR HIS DEBATE!!! It is about to be cancelled if she does not join up. I saw a dead rat yesterday, you need it for Sarah’s hair piece?

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  92. HAPPY BIRTHDAY HELEN!!!!!!!!!
    We love you!!!!!!

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  93. You’re hilarious Jo-jo. Happy to bust your propaganda and cause you to change subjects. another point for me, none for you. La-HO-za-HER!!! OH MY!!!!

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  94. There has been a concerted effort to get the Repubicans to produce a ‘job creator’ who would not hire if the Bush Tax Cuts were stopped. NOT ONE JOB CREATOR SURFACED TO MAKE THEIR CASE!!! Interesting information. Just a lot of Bull Shit.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/09/385989/republicans-job-creators-taxes/

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  95. James- Amongst the losses to epidemics here clear into the 60s, it is the flu pandemic which caused the deaths of at least 60% of the Alaska Native population of the time, some say closer to 70%.

    http://geriatrics.stanford.edu/ethnomed/alaskan/introduction/history/value_development.html

    This is considered the deepest blow to transmission and retention of culture and identity here- the boarding school thingy added a very nasty further blow .

    While some American Indians were considered to be American citizens under the same birthright notions we are all familiar with as early as 1831, it wasn’t until the passage of the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 that all natives were considered citizens of the US with the rights and responsibilities that entails. Equally, the federal government continued to assert a sovereign trust “responsibility” which presumed Natives could not make decisions about their own lands or resources but really ought to assimilate whether they wanted to or not. That is slightly different in the last 40 years but still underpins so many issues in Native communities.

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  96. Joe, you and your fellow Liberals are just spouting empty words. IF they really want to have their taxes raised lets see the signed checks. There is a provision in the tax code right now to donate money to pay off the national debt. We don’t need an act of congress, they can do it right now, if they actually mean it. LETS SEE THE CHECKS!!!

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  97. TAX ME! ‘My country means more to me than my money’
    Patriotic Millionaires

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  98. Even Millionaires want their taxes raised!

    http://front.moveon.org/some-millionaires-made-a-video-and-this-is-what-they-said/?rc=fb.rp.2

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  99. LMAO

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  100. hey Juneau Joe….how about this one….

    http://www.redstateupdate.com/video/99-buffoons

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  101. I support local Indian casinos. They have helped the reservation economies and ours. Some on our side of the river work at casinos. We stole from them, and now, they steal from us.

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  102. The Sami have a similar story. Their cousins, the Fins were the last to be Christianized because unlike other people, they killed the missionaries. They became Christian under the force of arms. When Sweden ruled Finland they discriminated against the Fins and justified their treatment by claiming established science showed them to be Asian, not European.

    The Sami were regimentalized and forced to live in specified areas, rather like Indian reservations. Their ceremonial drums were confiscated, put in museums, or burned. The joik was forbidden, and they were forced to identify by first and last names. They endured forced baptisms, and their shamanistic religion was banned. Women lost a lot of power in the new patriarchial Christian religion.

    Their children were sent to boarding schools to learn new languages and new ways. Thanks to the schools, most Russian Sami don’t know their native languages.

    Many forsook their culture by merging with Swedes and Norwegans. Some migrated to America.

    Now, they have their own representative legislatures and Sweden has applogized for their harsh treatment. They use the internet, texting etc to reconnect and rebuild their culture.

    In both cases, deaths and disease did not destroy the indigenous culture. Organized effort by stronger governments did the deed. Alaska may be different, but boarding school, not disease did it to the people I cited.

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  103. Hey JuneauJoe…..how about this one….

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  104. Depression, especially as relates to seasonal light, certainly does affect suicide rates. Studies here indicate that other mental illness and alcohol and drug abuse account for far more youth suicides though. Alaska as a whole is not quite ready to look at it’s culture of acceptance of alcohol abuse as a contributor .
    Many villages are legally “dry” in an attempt to stem actual inflow of alcohol but lagged for years in changing the underlying mindset- they are starting to catch up. Birth of FAS babies in Native communities has dropped dramatically . There are still huge issues with addressing this problem- most of which come from not facing it all head on- suicide of youngsters, alcohol, all of it.

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  105. Alaskapi, I am generalizing from two groups, Indians and Europe’s indigenous people. The United States government destroyed the buffalo herds to deny Plains Indians their main source of food and materials. They forced them to move to reservations where they were at the mercy of Indian agents who often treated them unfairly. At times, they were made to live peacefully near sworn enemies. Their chiefs and religious leaders lost face and power in contrast to their new overlords.

    Yes, native people are diverse, and some like the Sioux were empire builders as Europeans were. Like Europeans, they were relative newcomers to the Plains, and they ruled an area from southern Canada to Kansas. At first, they considered us natural allies because we had similar goals and asperations.

    Of course, they were doomed to failure, but they fought back because they were as proud as Europeans and as ill disposed to lives of slavery.. The last phase of the long war began when Inkapduka, a chief of a small band of renegades believed white man’s justice was exploiting Indians. He and his warriors killed most of the settlers in the country near Spirit lake, Iowa and still more in Minnesota.

    He also helped defeat Custer at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. The Indian war gave them some victories, and was the longest in United States history. It lasted over fifty years and ended at Wounded Knee with another minor skirmish in Minnesota around WW1.

    A Rapid City writer, the lead singer of Brule, and others have described the horrors of Christian boarding schools designed to strip Indians of their culture and to turn them into respectable farmers and teachers. Agencies also adopted children out to white middle class families. The Brule singer didn’t know he was an Indian until after his adopted parents died and his wife found the paperwork.

    Yes, European diseases decimated some tribes. Usually the deaths were unintentional and preceded the whites, but sometimes Europeans exposed blankets etc used in trade with small pox.Disease weakened Native Americians miltarily and economically but their culture and identity survived.

    I don’t remember if it was Lewis and Clark or another explorer who visited a Mandan village. Disease had recently reduced their tribe of several thousand to a few hundred. At that time, they still retained their cultural identity, and were as proud of their heritage as before the tragedy. Such populations had likely survived population crashes before.

    Thus, judging only from what I know, dependence and the boarding school, not epidemics destroyed the Plains Indians’ culture.

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  106. “What the federal and state governments can do is offer mutual respect and assistance. They must be willing to give control of local issues back to Alaska Natives. They must step aside in many areas so that Alaska Natives can attempt to reconstruct honorable and dignified lives for themselves.

    This will not be an easy task. People who have become accustomed to living without power tend to avoid the obligations that accompany it. Likewise, the external forces that take power — even with the best intentions — generally resist giving it back. ”

    http://www.alaskool.org/resources/anc/anc01.htm

    anon-
    I cannot speak to what the native peoples in your area are facing because Alaska has a one-of-a-kind relationship with Natives but I would hesitate to assume money alone is at root of problems there. The lethargy in so many Native communities as regards picking up their own futures has shifted here, dramatically, in the last 10 years as younger Natives come to terms with visions of what they CAN do to build healthy communities.
    Post Self Determination Act federal relationships have helped greatly, the state not very much.

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  107. “In my opinion, indigenous people were as crass and equisitive as we. Unfortunately for them, they lost. We did to them what they would have done to us. The most effective way to prevent them from causing much trouble was to break them, to crush their culture and self identity. Remaking them in our image. It was sort of like basic training.”
    —————–
    James- I often disagree with you but rarely to the point of saying much about it.
    Are you speaking here of specific native groups? Or making a generalization about all groups?
    If you are speaking in generalizations I think you are demonstrably incorrect on a number of fronts, the simplest being that some of the worst damage done to Native peoples was the introduction of European diseases.
    “The repeated outbreaks of influenza, measles and smallpox probably resulted in a decline of between one-half and two-thirds of the Aboriginal population of eastern North America during the first 100 years of European contact”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Indian

    Forced religious conversion contributed to further breakdown of many native cultures.
    The idea that native peoples are some kind of monolithic group that may have had the power to halt westward expansion and all doesn’t work very well.
    and assimilation simply has not worked, nor will it.

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  108. Anonymous on December 9th: coming from the Far North I grew up with a diversified population that included native people. They worked like dogs to provide for their families when they came to the more urban areas. I learned from them that their culture had a perspective on time that was quite different from the Europeans. It worked for them when they were hunter gatherers and even when they built their own cities because they didn’t need to punch a time clock inasmuch as they worked with the seasons. When they moved out of their environment they adapted. Unlike the tribal council member you mentioned, I wouldn’t be so dang hard on the support the members get while living where the government put them. It was only supposed to be a safety net to tide them over until they no longer needed it. And here is where I mention the casinos. And the ancillary support businesses built around them. By all measures, they are successful.

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  109. Yes, anon, seasonal affective disorder complicates things, even at our latitude. When the weather is bad or gloomy for a long time, we hear public service announcements on how to combat winter blues or cabin fever. When I was in England it was so cloudy and foggy through most of January people were irritable and a news paper ran a contest for the best theory on where the sun had gone.

    This Scandinavian joke illustrates the northern drinking problem. How many Fins does it take to change a light bulb? Five. One to hold the light bulb and four to drink enough to make the room spin. The alternative answer is none. They would fix the light bulb.

    Poolman, some of your comments read similar to what the Sami and Indians say. Many view Christianity as a curse imposed upon them by higher authority. They are quietly incorporating their old pagan religions with Christianity.

    “They took away our native tongue
    and taught English to our young
    And all the beads we made by hand
    Are nowadays made in Japan…
    And though I wear a shirt and tie
    I’m still a red man deep inside.”

    Paul Revere and the Raiders.

    When it was popular, we were in a restaurant in Browning Montana. The song played repeatedly on the juke box as the mostly Indian customers sang along.

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  110. Rick Perry – Parody!!! DO NOT WATCH THIS if you like Rick Perry and you think he has half a brain or better.

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  111. John King had a great perspective on the appeasement comment being thrown out by Republicans. President Obama’s comment to ask Osama Bin Laden about appeasement and this President was great!!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/12/point-set-match-president-obama-makes.html

    Tex: Which Republican candidate do you back as Presidential Candidate?

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  112. Yes. Bring on that natural light. :grin:

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  113. Re: suicide among indigenous peoples, I have some expertise in this topic. Within the scientific medical community it is quite well established that the diminished sunlight during the winter months in northern latitudes has an adverse effect on the brains of human and among other things, resulting in depression. This applies across the board to all walks of life, racial, ethnic and socio-economic status. The incidents of drug addiction, alcoholism and crime as well as suicide are much higher in those climates. The same can be said of Northern Europe, Russia and parts of the United States as well as Alaska.

    Humans need sunlight and the Vitamin D derived from it to function well regardless of money.

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  114. Suicide is so sad. The ultimate fail. Without hope or vision, life isn’t worth living. We ALL need purpose and connection. We need love, yet we don’t always recognize it, often spending entire lives and fortunes searching in vain.

    No matter what side of the climate issue people are on, it cannot be denied we have poisoned our world physically. But the unseen damage goes beyond that, to the very spirit of life. We have become much like parasites to this planet. It could easily destroy our physical existence. It has tremendous inherent capacity for renewal and restoration. Thank God, or we would not be here having a conversation. :grin:

    All life forms exhibit more than just physical components in their makeup. Every organism contains “life”, a spirit or fluid/rhythmic/electric-like “force” that is constantly in motion as we all move through “space” at an estimated 60,000 MPH. NOTHING in this expanding universe is ever stationary.

    Just as a pile of bricks cannot become a house without a “force” to assemble and hold them together, everything requires this cohesive “force” to exist. This force is present in the smallest components.

    Like birds in flight or schools of fish, we, as living beings, can tune our spirit to the Great Spirit that flows in and throughout everything. We can infuse our spirit with our Creator’s and follow His lead in this dance of life. We can also choose to ignore, disrupt, or oppose it. Sometimes these are conscious decisions. More often they are not.

    Many things in society disrupt the natural rhythm, that “heartbeat” of life. As humans, we are god-like in our ability to choose and MANipulate™ or world. Often our choices harm and divide us instead of uniting us. The more synthetic we make it, the further we get away from the richness of its essence.

    That is why is is more blessed to give than receive and important to love others as we should love ourselves. It’s that love that provides cohesion. The greatest love story is the life and gift of Jesus. The cool thing is you don’t need to search far and wide. We all control the door to our heart.

    But don’t take my word for it. And certainly don’t base your understanding of it through the actions or interpretation of others. Don’t look to society or institutions, as they are only a reflection of our own projections. Go to the source, the very one from where we originate. Close your eyes and look within.

    For in him we live and move and have our being.

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  115. President Obama is probably safe.

    I am taking bets, in case your interested. You name the wager. And we shall see how smart Dimocrats are if and when Newt Gingrich gets to debate President Zero even with his teleprompter. :grin:

    Hopefully, we can put the 1/2 a brain smoke to rest, as we have the 2008 filthy smoke from Zero and his wife Michelle Antoinette’s mouths.

    The Dimocratic party is now the party of Harry Reid and Nazi Pelosi. And Zero is wildly unpopular amongst Independents last I checked.

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  116. Helen, I haven’t checked back on your blog in months. I’m sorry to hear about Harold, but I hope you had a delightful Thanksgiving. I agree with you on a lot of issues, and as far as turkey day is concerned: (1) there is no such thing as too much butter, (2) bacon goes with everything, (3) although you think you can’t have too much paprika in the kitchen, for turkey stuffing, give me sage and thyme every time (pun intended) and “too much” freshly ground nutmeg for the pies, and (4) if anyone quotes anything from “Faux” News, they can leave the table (or get their pie in their face, not in their mouth).

    If the Republicans had half a brain amongst them, they’d nominate Jon Huntsman. Except for his anti-choice stance, he’s almost human. Favors civil unions (I’d prefer marriage equality, but no one’s perfect), was a well-respected governor, appointed as President Obama’s ambassador to China, speaks fluent Mandarin (some of the GOP candidates can’t even speak fluent English), believes is science and told Donald Trump that he “wasn’t going to kiss [his] ring or any other parts of his anatomy.” If Huntman got the nomination, he’d be hard to beat among conservative Democrats and independents. But since the GOP doesn’t have half a brain between them, President Obama is probably safe.

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  117. I agree with Tex. The European welfare system worked as long as the nations produced more new tax payers each generation. Some managed better than others because of their work ethics and natural resources which sent money into the system to compensate for the drain welfare exerted on their economies.

    Then, the birth rate fell, and Europeans recruited immigrants from the Middle East and elsewhere to compensate for the shrinking younger class. They were not fully integrated into society and tended to make less money than natives. Many countries were struggling with debt before the crash. It was merely the straw which broke the camel’s back.

    Socialism cannot survive without an external source of money or a steadily growing source of workers who pay taxes. Some of the European nations are more welfare than socialist, but they are also struggling. It is a benevolent system, but it cannot sustain itself forever.

    Liberalism and conservatism are meaningless terms until one defines them. By my definition, the Democratic party was moderate in the days of John Kennedy and Scoop Jackson. Nancy Peloci and the rest of the leadership are not moderates. Obama is far from the middle of the road. He may not have traveled as far down the road as many of his associates, but he is not a moderate.

    In my opinion, indigenous people were as crass and equisitive as we. Unfortunately for them, they lost. We did to them what they would have done to us. The most effective way to prevent them from causing much trouble was to break them, to crush their culture and self identity. Remaking them in our image. It was sort of like basic training.

    I agree with alaskapi that cultural identity is as basic as gender and race. They define who we are and without an inborn certainty of who we are, we are adrift. I don’t know much about the Alaskan or other indigenous people. I do know the Indians who live across the river from us are still struggling with their lost traditions and identities. Making them in effect wards of the state exacerbates their enoie.

    My distant cousins, the Finns and Sami are as angst ridden as the Indians. Like the Indians, Sami are trying to rebuild their culture.

    I also agree about the tyrany of the metropolitian majority.

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  118. “Report: Remains Of 274 Troops Dumped In Virginia Landfill. Hard to believe something like this could happen on Obama’s watch.”

    Yes, it is.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/08/us/military-remains-landfill/index.html?npt=NP1

    That procedure was in place between November 2003 and May 1, 2008.

    Obama’s inauguration was January 20, 2009.

    “Isn’t a dead body sacred to Muslims?”

    You are disgusting.

    Lies and smears – typical Republican behavior.

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  119. alaskapi. My perspective comes from my next door neighbor. A retired Vietnam war vet and a Native American himself. He is paid by the tribal council 4 time a year to travel to a council meeting whose soul purpose is to try and work out solutions to this problem. It is his opinion this free money is the root cause of the problems they are facing because the money is not earned. Because all of their financial needs are taken care of his people have no drive to push themselves to become more. He has been a long time advocate of holding back that money to make collage a requirement to be eligible.

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  120. Anon- I have to go for today but would urge you to take great care in assuming the problems in your local Native community flow completely from the monies the tribe distributes to members.
    The horrendously high suicide rate we have here in Alaska Native communities has little bearing on wealth or the lack of it. We have some very wealthy Native communities and some so poor you wonder how people survive.
    It has more to do with identity in a changing Native culture and the broader society- something Erik Eriksen pegged after WWII in large refugee communities in Europe. We don’t have many ways left to talk about identity in this country anymore which get to a truly human notion as opposed to an economic notion. It hurts us.
    Well Tex- will do some thinking but have to say that there are plenty of classic liberals who would love to bash me on the noggin for despising what the so-called liberal Baker vCarr decision did to rural America. The tyranny of the metropolitan majority and all…

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  121. “Thanks for proving my point Hollow Joe. Time to move on.”

    Finally! Like Sarah I thought you would avoid this decision for years!

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  122. Sarah hasn’t been a contender for years? That is NOT what her PAC contributors thought. She compiled a fortune in her phony indecision period. As a typical Republican you see nothing wrong with grifting so long as it’s a conservative fake candidate.

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  123. Sorry for then end part should read “Mine is a working example with decades of evidence in place and is still occurring today. If you can give me an example that proves me wrong please do.

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  124. I am to far right to believe a Left way of thinking can be possible while having a prosperous society. Ken Hamblin, the Black Avenger, a radio talk show host had a challenge for years on his talk show. Show me a town run by a Liberal Black Mayor that is prospering and I will mail you a check for $1000.

    We know welfare is ultimately a destructive force. Indian tribes have been dealing with some of the highest rates of depression and suicide. Why? Members of a local tribe in my home town receive $6000 a month from their tribes who own most of the casino’s in our state. $6000 a month works out to be $72,000 a year. A very nice lifestyle. Why is it then they have such horrible levels of mental health and suicide? Because having it given, at any level is harmful in the long run. This is not the answer. Mine however are working examples for decades in place today. If you can give me examples that prove me wrong please do

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  125. Alaska, you are not one of the harpies. I appreciate the search for answers. At least you think. I will assume it has occurred to you too that “centrism” is exactly what got us $15,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and little hope for tomorrow? I agree.

    We have two radically and diametrically opposed viewpoints. I know this much. With empirical proof, I can easily demonstrate your solution is certain failure.

    I don’t apologize for being a Reagan follower. There is a give and take to be debated, but the correct answer isn’t mediocrity and half measures now. Even Bill Clinton had announced the idea of “big government” over, and for a time, it worked just fine.

    But it didn’t happen. George Bush brought it back, Democratic socialism masked under the banner of “Compassionate Conservative”, and Barack Obama has tripled down and then some. Barack Obama lied through his teeth about fiscal responsibility – there is no denying that. And we will shortly be downgraded again. Two months ago was a shot across the bow. The torpedo has been launched this time.

    Labels may define, but your assessment of me is not entirely accurate. My immigration policies for Mexico would be considered radically “liberal” by most Conservatives.

    But fiscally? If you want to consider me radical, so be it. When the credit card is maxed, it is not time to ask for a higher maximum. You can share the wealth with your neighbor, even confiscate his possessions in entirety, but it won’t scratch covering the payment.

    Like you, I recommend an amicable divorce and value your input on how to get there. But you are absolutely right. The differences are irreconcilable. What are we waiting for?

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  126. Of course I’m nuts Tex. So are you.
    You are as hard right as I am hard left.
    Most people don’t live where we do, either of us.
    My question here turns on the philosophy of centrism which I think has become confused with notions of “moderate” for far too many.
    Personally I think centrism is stoopid. There’s no reconciliation possible between those such as you and I , just divorce.
    However, since most people don’t live at the poles and our society is geared for-most-people, I’d like to know what some of them have to say.

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  127. The hard shift back towards laissez-faire capitalism , which doesn’t work for everyday people as is the Pres’ point, that has been operating in this country for the last 20 years needs a good hard look.

    Laissez-faire capitalism the last 20 years? $15,000,000,000,000.00 in debt, 100% debt/GDP as of Halloween this year, is not laissez-faire capitalism, which in fact not only works, it is the only system of economic modernity that has worked.

    What doesn’t work is socialism, any form, of which America is teetering on the brink of adopting. And there is no debate that “democratic socialism” works, unless of course you believe the last three years of a strong welfare state and a push for fiscal redistribution has worked. Ask the European countries at present how that has worked. They are collapsing as we speak, or are you so poorly read, you haven’t bothered to notice?

    My Lord. Most of you people that reside here are obviously not economists, mathematicians or financiers. That much I figured out from one thread. I can only assume it not as much malice because even for liberals, I can’t believe they would have a death wish, but simple ignorance. But Democratic socialism?

    So you want America to follow Greece, of which Obama appears hell bent on pursuing?

    Are you nuts?

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  128. anaon- Beck et al choose to look at language about capitalism as an all or nothing affair. Some of them seem unaware that there are multiple forms of capitalism, some more truly useful and beneficial than others.
    When we adopt economic styles or theories , we need to stay aware we really are making it all up and agreeing or not on rules for this’ and thats- we are not uncovering laws of the universe. We are making agreements- that is all.
    The hard shift back towards laissez-faire capitalism , which doesn’t work for everyday people as is the Pres’ point, that has been operating in this country for the last 20 years needs a good hard look.

    http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/neoliberalism.html

    read it carefully as the use of liberal here is different than we use it in political conversation in this country.

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  129. UAW- would be interested in your take on the Third Way link and attendant info because quite frankly it seems to me to be the basic explanation of why the Dems fell for the repeal of Glass-Stegall etc, inc Pres Clinton, and haven’t advanced a more truly leftist agenda when they have had majorities… but then again, my background and upbringing in relation to community as per Native value system makes me very, very left in this current world.
    What you think?

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  130. With all due respect alaskapi, I think you have it 180 degrees wrong. There is no Democrat party. They have been hijacked by the extreme Liberal left.

    Is this centrist ideology?
    Airing a clip in which the president repeatedly tells an audience, and the greater American public, that capitalism has “never worked” — not in 1920′s, the 1950‘s and 60’s, nor in the 1980′s — Glenn took major issue with Obama’s “fairy tales about history” and proved the president wrong by pointing to the historical instances that made each of those decades Obama smeared as a “failure of the free market,” an actual success.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/becks-very-epic-analysis-of-obamas-new-nationalism-speech-he-is-lying/

    So is centrist thinking that capitalism has never worked, or is that a radical Leftist point of view?

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  131. “Above is the entirety of the Liberal party. ”
    correction- there is NO liberal party anon.
    none.
    the Dems have shifted to centrism in the last 20 years and that is NOT liberal.
    there are liberal people and liberal groups, but no liberal party.
    “Third Way (centrism)

    The Third Way refers to various political positions which try to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(centrism)

    Personally, as a democratic socialist ( and distinct minority out here in the left-libertarian archipelago) I find the endless repitition of how far left President Obama is laughable. He’s a centrist, more right than some, but certainly a centrist.

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  132. Thanks for proving my point Hollow Joe. Time to move on.

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  133. Conspiracy Theory!!!! What is really going on in the Denver International Airport?? Phallac symbols – A plot of some sort? Who is behind this?
    Who is Colbert really backing? I am now thinking he is really a liberal.

    http://rackjite.com/archives/8742-Stephen-Colbert-on-Cooper-RidicuList-for-stealing-phallic-obessed-W.-Tapley-story.html

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  134. Hey Richard Cranium ………I mean JuneauJoe…..
    The debate I’m waiting for is the 3 hour Newt/Barack debate……..

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  135. “For you to make her hair: Just find some road kill and make a good hair piece out of it. Sarah will love it. Sarah appreciates you so very much.”

    Above is the entirety of the Liberal party. This is all Liberals have to offer is in the way of constructive contributions of the campaign process. I have said forever that Liberals are the party of personal attack, and I Repost, aka JuneauJoe, is nothing special. He is just the typical Liberal.

    Sarah hasn’t been a contender for years, yet Joe and other Liberals go way out of their way to try and keep this woman and her children destroyed. Then he goes on to gloat, despite the implications for our country, that the GOP has no good candidates. Never stopping to think how this harms our country. Never considering all the while he is celebrating the demise of our country and taking credit for it like it is a good thing.

    Joe, you are a short sighted, poor excuse for a human being. Should you and your succeed at your politics of destruction, you will be getting exactly what you deserve.

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  136. It’s beginning to look a lot like Gingrich!!! This is excellent! Even Anon and Tex will like it.

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  137. Todd Palin may well have some explaining to do after the evidence from his trips to the masseuse (and more) comes back from analysis.

    Anonymouse: Have Sarah go to THE DONALD debate. Things might heat up for Todd soon after and she might get in that upset, grumbly mood that she gets in.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/12/shailey-tripp-sends-items-she-received.html

    Anonymouse/ Palin 2012

    Which Republican candidate are you wanting to win now Anon? Mittens, Newt or Sarah (Your hero)? Just Curious. You have such a wonderful selection. Should all Republican candidate go to THE DONALD circus, I mean debate? Sarah, your hero, thinks all Republicans should be yelled at by THE DONALD. What say you?

    For you to make her hair: Just find some road kill and make a good hair piece out of it. Sarah will love it. Sarah appreciates you so very much.

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  138. Palin would be twice the President Obama would. So I have no problem with this pathetic attempt at an insult you continue to manufacture like your misinformation. It is just a feeble attempt by a pathetic man who has been busted by his better. You don’t know what you are talking about, you are nothing but the links that you post. Now go on posting your hollow message and keep proving me right.

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  139. Palin/ Anonymouse 2012 – We need a good laugh

    Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha

    Beg her fast Anonymouse!!!!

    I just found out that Bachmann and Perry said ‘Hell No’ to being in The Donald’s debate. Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha

    Please Ask Sarah to take part in the Trump debate!!!! Please!!

    You could make her hair before she goes out.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/12/rick-perry-and-michele-bachmann-refuse.html

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  140. Its laughable I Repost, aka JuneauJoe wont back up his own thoughts. Truth is, like other Liberals, they know logic will derail everything they believe in. Their only hope is to spread misinformation, plug their ears and yell at the top of their lungs anytime someone questions their beliefs. No worries. You continue to misrepresent the truth, I will continue to expose you for what you are. Bloody coward if you ask me.

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  141. President Obama as appeaser: I love his answer!!!

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  142. Romney’s new strategy!!!
    CONCORD, NH (The Borowitz Report)– Troubled by his fading poll numbers, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is considering a bold strategy to reboot his Presidential campaign: engaging in a high-profile extramarital affair.

    At a press conference in Concord, New Hampshire today Mr. Romney confirmed that he was consulting with senior advisors about the best way to proceed with an inappropriate relationship.

    “Republican voters have sent the message that they want to vote for an adulterer and I have heard them loud and clear,” he said. “I promise that I will engage in a world-class extramarital affair that will make all of us proud again.”
    from: Borowitzreport.com

    Mitt had me worried: I thought he had given up to Newt until I read this. Too bad Herb quit.

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  143. Since we already know for a fact that if we took everything from everyone over 100k a year and it still wouldn’t pay for 1 year of Obama’s budget, what are you hoping to have accomplished with this rant?

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  144. 30 Big Corporations paid more in Lobbying than they paid in Taxes 2008 to 2010. Can anyone say DEFICIT!!! Make the Corporations pay their fair share – like in the good old days!

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/07/383779/30-big-corporations-taxes-lobbying/

    The group’s research finds that thirty big corporations actually spent more money lobbying the federal government between 2008 and 2010 than they spent in taxes. For example, General Electric — one of the top 10 most profitable companies in the world — got a net tax rebate of $4.7 billion during this period. Meanwhile, it spent $84 million lobbying the federal government.

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  145. Bring in the clowns.
    There ought to be clowns.

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  146. Juneau Joe –

    All those things are well and good but there is simply no money for it. It’s not just that Republicans are trying to be evil – or the Democrats for that matter. There is no end to the good you can do, but it has to be paid for. It’s that simple. Yes we need to get our butts out of Afghanistan, Iraq – and for my money, close about 650 of the 700 or so foreign military bases, but the biggest drain on the Treasury is entitlements – Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Social Security would be fine if the politicians had not raided it over the years to buy elections and had left the money in that people PUT in.

    But they didn’t. They spent it and put IOUs in its place. They should all go to jail; you and I would if we were stewards of someone else’s money and did that. The infusion of govt money into medicine has forced the prices higher and higher and they propose to fix it by — you guessed it — more government.

    I am looking at about a 25% pay cut in three weeks from now, but I am still working and glad to have a job. No offense meant; I voted for Obama, but he’s IMHO a huge disaster so far, made worse by the fact he stood on GWB’s shoulders and compounded Bush’s horrific mistakes.

    Having said all that – nothing matters if the money is not there. We have to stop borrowing; our creditors are going to stop us if we don’t stop ourselves. We are stiffing them by paying them in devalued money already. That’s called being a crook.

    Makes me ill. We are in deep kimchi.

    Sorry for the disjointed post; I’m pretty tired.

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  147. Anonymous,

    RE: A Great Senior Moment!
    :lol: That describes insanity in perfection.

    The blessing part is priceless! :grin:

    And they say war doesn’t lead to peace.
    :roll:

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  148. Report: Remains Of 274 Troops Dumped In Virginia Landfill. Hard to believe something like this could happen on Obama’s watch. Isn’t a dead body sacred to Muslims?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/07/report-remains-of-troops_n_1135592.html?ncid=webmail6

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  149. Ex-MF Global CEO Jon Corzine a former Democrat Senator, looses more than $1.2 billion of investor money. Just doesn’t know where it is. More Liberal, corporate cronyism. Just chump change if your a Liberal fat cat. The big losers, our hard working farmers and more.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/08/jon-corzine-money-mf-global_n_1136183.html?ncid=webmail5

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  150. A Great Senior Moment!

    Here’s a quote from a government employee who witnessed a recent interaction between an elderly woman and an antiwar protester. There were protesters at the grocery store handing out pamphlets on the evils of America . I politely declined to take one. There was an elderly woman behind me and a young (20-ish) female protester offered her a pamphlet, which she politely declined. The young protester put her hand on the old woman’s shoulder as a gesture of friendship and in a very soft voice the young lady said, “Lady, don’t you care about the children of Iraq?” The old woman looked up at her and said: “Honey, my father died in France during World War II, I lost my husband in Korea , and a son in Vietnam . All three died so a bitch like you could have the right to stand here and badmouth our country. If you touch me again, I’ll stick this umbrella up your ass and open it.”
    ~ God Bless America ~ I love getting old…

    Here Here!!!

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  151. Thanks Mageen. We subscribe to the National Geographic, but I missed that one. I’ll look for it on their web site when I have time. $100 is cheaper than I thought.

    You, along with Craig and Val are anonomously on our church prayer list.

    The flood cost us a lot of money, and if we have a spare $100 it will go to the church and the food bank. Maybe next summer, when we know more. I’ll let you know what we think of it.

    I just found that the University of Wisconsin through google digitized our family book. It is on line and even on Kindle. Now, the cousins who don’t have a copy can read the book any time they want.

    We have experienced challenges and change through human history. At least once practically all of our ancestors died. The Fins were nearly wiped out twice during the ice age according to the “genetic bottlenecks.” One difference is now, we are so dependent on technology and the world has so many more people than in the past.

    Public radio had a discussion about the ramifications of a shift in the Gulf Stream which might send Europe into near ice age conditions. It has happened before. Now, a man said, Europe has some of the most irritable and best- armed people in the world. That’s what makes this time different. We are dependent on technology and on others to feed us.

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  152. Why are you afraid of the questions I Repost, aka JuneauJoe? You seem so sure of yourself when you report, why not step up to the plate and say what you really think? Common on in..waters fine.

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  153. About all the interest in one’s geneological DNA background . . . National Geographic was offering in recent months to do that for you for $100. I know some folks who are doing this as gifts for others. Most likely this offer can be found on their website. This is not for us this year. Must save like mad for what Medicare and out other “backup” insurance does not cover on husband’s cancer. If any of you folks on the front porch do take advantage of this Nat Geo thing, I would be interested in your reactions.

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  154. A great Newt Ad:

    Reminder: BUSH LET IRAQ DEVELOP THE NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES!!
    He could have taken it out in the early stages but opted not to do so.

    REPUBLICANS are doing their best to stop minorities from voting!! Texas redistricting in Texas is a good example. (The Texas plan was changed by the courts so minority areas could vote in a minority candidate because the Republican plan did not allow such a thing to happen.) CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPE according to the Republican Party.

    If it needs to be taken out – a coalition of countries need to do it. (Kind of like what happened in Libya,) The US does not need to be the only one taking out crazies – THAT PILES UP DEFICITS!!!! Should we concern ourselves with deficits????

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  155. JuneauJoe are you just your rhetoric or do you understand the misinformation you are posting?

    If you listen to JuneauJoe,aka I Repost, then he is saying that Bush is one of the most effective Presidents in history. According to I Repost, aka JuneauJoe , Bush’s policies are still effecting this country today. Also according to JuneauJoe, aka I Repost, Messiah Obama is powerless to affect changes and by default is the most ineffective President in History.

    Question
    1. Is Obama responsible for the state of the economy today?
    2. Are you ok with Iran developing Nuclear Technology?
    3. If 2 is no, what do you suggest your Messiah does about it.
    4. Do you think we should enforce the laws of the land?
    5. If 4 is yes, do you think we should enforce the immigration laws on the books?

    So lets see, is he rhetoric and is just reposting propaganda, or does he understand what he is posting?

    Quoting JueauJow, aka I Repost “Brown people aren’t people. Corporations are people.”

    This coming from the person in the party that advocated and did forced sterilization on the blacks and the poor? Really?

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  156. PFesser-
    I have spent a lot of time lately wondering if this time and place we are in scares a lot of us merely because we are in a time of change- where something different is needed and we , as humans are wont to do, are dragging our heels hoping to to recreate surroundings familiar to ourselves… whether they work or not.
    What is your understanding of health care delivery in Native communities since the 1975 self-determination act? There are some excellent things going on there but very different than most Americans are familiar with.

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  157. Poolman, an ancestor did most of the work for me a hundred years ago. He and others traced the family with numbered cousins from the first arrival around 1640. They then followed the family to Wales and back to Normandy between 800 and 1100. The family name was in Denmark before 870.

    Over the years, we have found other people with the same family book.Its usually accidental. Two years ago a restaurant called the Golden Corral gave veterans a free meal. The place was so crowed strangers sat at the same tables. Our companions turned out to be distant cousins who also owned the book. It seems most branches of the family have passed the book down to the next generation. I have asked them questions, and they have confirmed what I know.

    When we lived in England, we visited the Public Records Office in London and read a copy of the Doomsday Book Someone with the family name was listed as a farmer and his worth was ten pounds. We found the name of the ship our family took and the names of the other passengers. Some of them were family cousins. My ancestor was a farmer crowded out by the Enclosure movement.

    I used the internet to find more stories of migrations from Denmark. I found family names spelled like or similarly to ours and legends. The concensus was that a group of Danes moved south to escape a serious of bitterly cold winters and chilly summers. So far, I have no idea if they were pillaging and stealing as Vikings did.

    My wife and I had also visited Wales and Scottland . We found my mother’s family and had birth certificates made of the ancestors born before her part or the family migrated to the US in the 1840’s.We also visited the home town of the first ancestor who migrated to the US.

    As we know, England is a salad bowl with a history of repeated invasions.If our guesswork is right, our family lived in Wales and Central England for six hundred years. I researched ethnic migrations and physical features. Welsh people may have migrated from northwestern Spain. They have features in common with Basques. They also tend to be darker than most of my family. Our family more closely matches the appearance of Germantic people than the Welsh.

    Oddly enough farmers in far northeastern Scotland and far southwestern Norway spoke a dialect which both could understand as late as 100 years ago.

    My cousins moved from Finland and Sweden in the 1870’s. Since some of them have subtle Asian features in spite of their light skin and blue eyes, they might also have some Sami blood, but that is only speculation. A few Fins and Swedes also have Asian features My wife’s maternal grandmother came from Sweden when she was sixteen.

    My Dutch in laws are easier since they still keep in touch with relatives in Holland and South Africa.

    Maybe some of our ancestors converted to Judism in the seventh century as you suggested. I need to do more research on that. Like the Jews, some Fins and Sami claimed they were Swedish to avoid discrimination.

    An old meaning of our name is fisherman. We don’t have any royalty. Most were farmers.

    Most of the families who live near us are descended from Germans, Danes, Icelanders, British, and Czechs. We have only one Italian family.

    If some of your ancestors were here in the sixteen hundreds, we might be cousins. Do you know if any settled in Massachusetts? If you have blue eyes, we are defintely cousins. A Danish geneticist discovered blue eyed people are the result of a mutation which occurred north of the Black Sea about eight to ten thousand years ago. Obama and Dick Cheney are distant cousins. So, yes, if you got back far enough, we are all related.

    I have done a few ancestor web sites, and I should do more. Eventually, I’d like to take a genetic test and see if it confirms our family speculation.

    Looking at new cultures and possible family connections was more entertaining than dealing with the flood or possible impending dark days Pfessor mentions.

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  158. Pfesser: As I see it, The Republicans want to start a war in Iran, which is spendy. Keep fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq – just because. Of course, the Republicans like to fight alone.

    For the poor and middle class: The Republicans want to cut Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Health Care possibilities, Unemployment Insurance, Cut Regulations (like Bush – crashed the economy), and dismantle clean air and water requirements so Big Oil cannot be sued for ruining our health.

    Again, The wealthy need to pay a fair share. The Wealthiest have increased their take of the money 30 times while the middle class have been stagnant or regressed with wages and benefits.

    Here is the debate I want to see: Colbert holding a Republican debate!

    http://rackjite.com/archives/8729-Stephen-Colbert-to-Moderate-GOP-debate!-Trumps-The-Donald!.html

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  159. Pfessor: Personally, I am for a single payer health care system. At least now, 85% of the cost of medical care must go toward health care and not lobbying efforts. They can be audited. People cannot be dropped from their insurance when they are ill – that is good. All people can get health care now – that is good. Is President Obama;s plan perfect – NO. It is better than what we had. I also think we have been putting too much money into wars (Iraq: lies got us into it) and the wealthiest need to pay a fair share also too.

    http://everythingpossiblehappens.blogspot.com/2011/12/official-republican-party-platform-for.html

    Rough Draft of the Republican 2012 Platform:
    Specific policy positions of the Republican Party:

    Raising taxes on the middle class isn’t raising taxes. St. Grover said so.
    Close our embassy in Iran!
    Teachers are only in it for the money.
    The media has a well known liberal bias.
    Reality has a well known liberal bias.
    Ignorance is bliss. We’re the party of bliss on tap.
    Democracy means making sure only the “right” kind of people vote.
    9-9-9! (English translation: No, no, no!)
    The 1% rule! All hail the 1%!
    Poor people should work harder so rich people can get richer.
    Make damn sure everyone over 21 votes on November 12!
    Brown people aren’t people. Corporations are people.
    Amend “show your papers” laws to prevent more accidental snaring of rich white people.
    There is no such thing as sexual harassment.
    Validate the birth certificate!
    Forced blowjob required for employment? No big deal. Voluntary blowjob between consenting adults? VERY big deal!
    We love freedom! Keep government OUT of our personal lives! Except for women, in which case government should be all up in that vagina.
    Gay people aren’t people. Corporations are people.

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  160. JuneauJoe –

    Everything I have read in the past year says that we absolutely cannot afford Obamacare in its current form. I just attended a lecture by the CEO of my hospital chain and they are making preparations to cut back services, eliminate positions and reduce salaries when Obamacare becomes law in the near future. The law is going to require adding a tremendous number of people with no medical coverage to the rolls of patients – I’m not saying people shouldn’t be covered, they need the medical care of course – but the bottom line is that somebody has to pay for it and the money is not there.

    When Congress was setting up the blueprint for Obamacare, they spoke to (I think it was governor? of Singapore or Hong Kong?) and he was very blunt: yes you can do this – we do – but you have to control costs first. The Americans recklessly haven’t done that, and the money just isn’t there for this bloated monster. The Bernank, Geithner, Rubin et al have gone completely off the reservation: in the absence of the constraints imposed by a partial gold standard (like we had until 1971) they have a free hand now to sail us into completely uncharted waters as they play in the sandbox with other uber-intellectual European bankers like themselves and experiment with our lives. (Go, Occupy Wall Street!!) When they print money to cover their experiments, the value comes from somewhere – and it comes from the savings of American citizens ultimately.

    We are riding for a fall, my friend – maybe worse than 1929. Hell, PROBABLY worse than 1929. The only thing postponing it is that they just keep printing money and borrowing, but like the guy who survives by paying one credit card with another, it will stop, and the longer it takes, the worse it will be. Mark my words.

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  161. Patience,
    patience,
    patience…

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  162. No matter what tribe you’re from, try to bear good fruit. Some things are universal.

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

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  163. Pfesser,

    You mean we can have a civilized conversation even though we disagree ideologically? Imagine that! What a frikkin’ concept.

    “I’d like to teach the world to sing… ♫ ♪ ♫

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    James,

    It is interesting to research our ancestors. My grandmother did that years ago, in the early 70’s, and traced us back to the early 1600’s. Many were here in North America since then and mainly from Europe. Her father’s family was Dane and she traveled there in her research. That was a major task back then. Now we have the internet.

    Have you done the Ancestry websites, or is this by some other means?

    The other side of my family is Italian and came over in the early 1900’s.

    My wife’s family is basically dirt farmer on one side and mixed with Scottish royalty on the other. It makes for interesting conversation. Her grandmother was likely the product of a Jewish parent, although those records have been lost to her family.

    Eventually it will all merge into the same genetics if we go back far enough, I’m certain. At least in theory and if the biblical account is true. I know many Jews tried to hide the fact that they were Jewish, changing names and destroying records.

    Others converted to Judaism, yet I don’t know if ancestry records show that. Some 80 percent of today’s Jews are Ashkenazi Jews which is said to come from Germanic or Turkic tribes that converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

    Then there are the “lost” tribes and some in Ethiopia. I wouldn’t be surprised if we all had a little Jewish blood in us. :grin:

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  164. Get your DNA checked James, that should tell you if there is any Jewish heritage in your father’s line, if you are interested.

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  165. The Republican Presidential Candidate search is turing into a circus!!

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/07/opinion/borger-romney-trump-gingrich/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

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  166. Know thanks Toolman ™ I never watch your stuff anymore. Don’t read much of your stuff either. Especially those preachy conspiracy things you write. Good gawd, man. Mahmoud DinnerJacket couldn’t even trust you as useful idiot as you’re scheming to destroy Israel.

    Just enough to answer your insipid questions.

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  167. Here Tex,

    I KNOW you can appreciate this…

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  168. As you know, I have been investigating my Welsh and Nordic past. Now, I have discovered my name has Jewish roots. Maybe I can celebrate both holidays!

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  169. I am not a Jesus freak or an atheist. I agree with Poolman. Most of our religious celebrations are a conglomoration of past worship practices which Christians adopted. The timing of most coordinates with important events such as the winter solstice. Such festivals marked the passage of seasons which if not properly commemorated meant the difference between life and death.

    When we lived in England we like many of the villagers went out to watch farmers burn their fields after the wheat harvest. The bright reds and yellows reflecting from low overcast was not far from a religious experience. It was easy to imagine distant ancestors at worship.

    I don’t believe religious “nut jobs” have usurped the Republican Party. They were at their most powerful during the eighties. The religious right has been marginalized as the majority throws them a few bones to keep them in the fold.

    I think Michele is an attractive woman, but unlike the song, I don’t “like” “Fat Bottomed Girls.”

    “All hail Obama” ? Not from this side of the fence.

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  170. Thanks for the full disclosure, NOP – it was still pretty funny.

    I really shouldn’t tease Ko-Tex; sometimes I feel guilty a little because it’s so easy to turn his water on and then laugh as he thrashes around.

    Then I think about how much damage that type of rigid mentality – if you can call it that – has done to my country, and how it has killed so much civil discussion in a nation so desperately in need of people of good will working together and then I figure, ah what the hell…

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  171. But it is true that Tex’s head is dancing with Rupert Murdoch’s thoughts via Hannity and O’Reilly. There is no war on Christmas!

    Au contraire. But there is a war on Christmas carried out by weak women like you, and weak men that proceeded long before anybody had heard of Rupert Murdoch and Sean Hannity, and you aptly demonstrated just that above. Anything to diminish Christmas as in its name, and you happily complied in your gross stupidity. There is no denying it, because it is on your screen submitted by you as we speak.

    This has been going on for quite sometime, and it’s pretty humorous, because the only thing that sets it right is the threat of lost sales. Of course today, a Jew was so offended at your ilk irreligious ilk Puppet where some lib moron hung Santa on a cross in the public square, that he has declared war on you because he noticed too. Now it really has come full circle. :grin:

    But the war on Christmas is irrelevant. Frustrating, politically correct, motivated by hate, but of little consequence because you and your ilk are of little consequence. Your future is written. Your future is bleak.

    If Christians were wise, and this pains you I know but we are still the majority, they would demand a vote to cancel Christmas as a federal holiday and return it to a day of labor like the Pilgrims. We can easily celebrate the birth of Christ with its beautiful music (what’s your beautiful music Puppet – the Stones?) and put it where it always belonged – in our hearts and away from the likes of you. Frankly, you don’t deserve Christmas, Puppet. No federal holiday, no public celebration, no public demonstration of peace on earth – and certainly no gift exchange. We give you the most appropriately named black Friday, so that you can worship at your altar of choice. :wink:

    And you and your ilk could have your moment of solace and reflection, worship of self and orgy at your high holy day – say, Mardi Gras.

    Right up your and Pfesser’s alley.

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  172. Isn’t that something…a believer and an atheist on the same side. How ’bout that…

    What a tragic story, finally concluding with a happy ending. Just like a good movie. A marriage – made in Gehanna. A little Mutt and Jeff, one the Jew hater with a real built up penchant of hate for country; one the hater of anything Christian but absorbed with the money and the small fame.

    But give the devil his due. For him, it’s perfect. Not so opposite as they like to believe and both completely oblivious to that fact. Congratulations on your new found romance. I say this in all sincerity – you were made for each other.

    And though I can only speak for me, I say this with a great deal of assuredness. Good riddance from your (cough cough) former party.

    All hail Obama! :wink:

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  173. Sorry Pfesser, I can’t take credit, I simply repeated what I received from a Face Book friend, who shared a friend or their’s message. But it is true that Tex’s head is dancing with Rupert Murdoch’s thoughts via Hannity and O’Reilly. There is no war on Christmas! I doubt very much that anyone over there at Fox, including Murdoch, believe it, but they sure know their peeps.

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  174. I found this article surprising and interesting.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elaine-howard-ecklund-phd/some-atheist-scientists-w_b_1133958.html?ref=religion&ncid=webmail23

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  175. Hi poolman –

    You just can’t be talkin’ that kind of stuff, now…don’t you know the world is black and white and there ARE no shades of grey or places where doubt is appropriate. Y’er either with us or y’er agin’ us…and if y’er agin’ us, you are truly evil and should be kilt.

    You know, p-man, I think I just realized why we tend to end up on the same end of arguments: A long time ago the believers and unbelievers – and politicians – all got along and respected each other as people of good will who disagreed. But somewhere along the way the religious nut-cases found some influence – even took over the Republican party – and they brook no dissent. In their eyes, it’s war – real war. They’d just as soon eat their own – for the redoubtable sin of not being idealogically pure enough (read that “crazy enough) as they would those “others” that disagree with them totally.

    And I just realized that you and I are BOTH embarrassed – I by the lunatic path the GOP – my old party – has been taken by the religious nutjobs, and you by the way that same pack of loonies has taken over organized religion.

    Isn’t that something…a believer and an atheist on the same side. How ’bout that…

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  176. Helen, First of all, so sorry about your loss.
    I’d love to have a personal visit, just to hear you talk. You are always right on and tell it like it is. It is so refreshing. I am grateful to have found you on the internet. Your grandson is a gem. You need a talk show! I’d watch. Maybe your grandson can make a book of your blogs. I’d buy! Merry Christmas to you and yours. Big hugs from Nancy in Colorado.

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  177. Awww. I’m missing all the fun. :sad:

    Actually all this Christmas hullabaloo is really stupid. A real marketing success and gain for capitalism. As if lights and tinsel and gifts and shopping and caroling has anything to do with Jesus. :roll:

    Seriously. Historians are certain He wasn’t born in December and extravagant birthday celebrations were not the norm in the first century. Anyone that can has discovered the holiday was added to appease pagans whose very rituals did take place on these supposed “sacred” days we celebrate. It was the combining of state and religion that gave us these holidays.

    Just like those that complain about the removal of public prayer in schools, they are naive to the true teachings of the New Testament they claim to uphold. Public prayer is specifically called out as insincere and the honoring of certain days over others a symptom of spiritual immaturity.

    The “Christmas Spirit” has little to do with Christianity, which is a lifestyle change evidenced everyday and in every aspect of one’s life. It is a false spirit that presents itself as genuine and often is mistaken for the true Spirit of God that IS always at work ushering in the kingdom of God.

    Anyone getting all worked up over a supposed “war on Christmas” is obviously not focused on the real battlefield where the church is losing ground. Apathy. As we continue to try to mainstream Christianity in this secular world, the true message is being diluted to render it most ineffectual.

    If believers would operate in the capacity as directed by the very author of the faith, the real world would begin to reflect those profound characteristics.

    Just my 2 cents as a long time “Jesus freak”…

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  178. Head is still here Pisser. Don’t flatter yourself – you’re not that good and with the dysfunction in your hand me down family (what a nightmare of collegiate flunkies), you ought to grab a couple of incognitos around town, or a hole to stick your head in.

    Speaking of three axe handles, did your wife find a bike seat for her ass yet? :grin: Hey Santa, I’m the abominable snow woman!

    Puppet is equally and poorly read as you are, No harm, no foul.

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  179. “We all know why someone like Puppet mocks Christmas. ”

    Stop hyperventilating. Nobody is mocking christmas. She’s just putting it in perspective with all the other holidays, like Easter Bunny Day and Arbor day. You don’t have to believe the mythology to enjoy the holiday season; it’s a good time to chill out with your sweetie, drink a little eggnog, think about life and the reason you married her – and then go upstairs and give her a nice christmas goose.

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  180. “and his three axe handle butted Amazon of a wife to join him.”

    Hey – watch it. I think Michele has a VERY cute bottom.

    She’s not an Amazon. You’re just scrubby and she looks that way from your eye level.

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  181. nop @ 6:11

    That sound you hear is Ko-Tex’s (with a dozen aliases) head exploding.

    Well done.

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  182. Helen, I love you. <3 As usual, you are spot-on and your annual Thxgiving letter brightens the season on a otherwise stressfull and somewhat somber (for me) holiday. :)
    So sorry to hear about Harold. :'( Hang on and keep kickin' up the sh*t like always, okay?

    Love you Bunches & Bunches!
    xoxo ~ Dy

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  183. Everyone but us can have their beliefs and traditions. Atheists and radical church-state separatists have taken particular offense to the continued uttering of the Pledge of Allegiance. To these individuals, the words “under God” have no place in the public square, even when utterances are voluntary in nature.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/it-is-inappropriate-uconn-catches-heat-for-including-pledge-of-allegiance-before-sports-games/

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  184. Blagojevich Sentence: 14 Years In Prison For Former Illinois Governor

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/07/blagojevich-sentencing-fo_n_1133588.html?ncid=webmail1

    What is sad here is not one Liberal condemned this man for his crimes. On the commentary page people are complaining that he was not shown mercy in his sentencing. This from a man who extorted a children’s hospital.

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  185. Thank you very much, Java Davis and HJ for your advice on using vinegar in deviled eggs. I’m going to try them both. I really enjoy the positive contributions people add to Helen’s posts. I hope everyone has a great holiday season no matter how they choose to celebrate it.

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  186. http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/12/06/breast-cancer-ppaca-and-a-change-of-heart-about-president-obama/

    Thank You President Obama
    Fortunately for me, I’ve been saved by the federal government’s Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan, something I had never heard of before needing it. It’s part of President Obama’s healthcare plan, one of the things that has already kicked in, and it guarantees access to insurance for U.S. citizens with preexisting conditions who have been uninsured for at least six months. The application was short, the premiums are affordable, and I have found the people who work in the administration office to be quite compassionate (nothing like the people I have dealt with over the years at other insurance companies.) It’s not perfect, of course, and it still leaves many people in need out in the cold. But it’s a start, and for me it’s been a lifesaver — perhaps literally.

    Which brings me to my apology. I was pretty mad at Obama before I learned about this new insurance plan. I had changed my registration from Democrat to Independent, and I had blacked out the top of the “h” on my Obama bumper sticker, so that it read, “Got nope” instead of “got hope.” I felt like he had let down the struggling middle class. My son and I had campaigned for him, but since he took office, we felt he had let us down.

    So this is my public apology. I’m sorry I didn’t do enough of my own research to find out what promises the president has made good on. I’m sorry I didn’t realize that he really has stood up for me and my family, and for so many others like us. I’m getting a new bumper sticker to cover the one that says “Got nope.” It will say “ObamaCares.”

    As more and more people find out about the benefits of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Republicans are going to find it difficult to continue the “Repeal Obaaaaahmaacare” siren song. And the fact that health insurers are cutting their lobbying costs because the Department of Health and Human Services has stated that such lobbying costs cannot be counted as providing healthcare is just icing on the cake.

    From The People’s View,

    Their lobbying scheme didn’t work. They know it and are finally resigning to the fact that health reform is the law of the land and that they are going to have to comply with it. And since they can’t count lobbying costs as providing you with health care, lobbying costs are now in direct competition with shareholder gain. If the insurance companies want to make more money but can’t do it by kicking people off their insurance or counting everything and its mother as a “health care cost,” there are only a few ways of doing it: cut administrative costs (hello, industry lobbyists, hi! Waving atcha!), and raise revenue by attracting more customers in a level playing field.

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  187. I researched some Finnish and by extension, Sami cousins. NOP was just trying to be funny in my opinion, but she has insulted my relatives. They are mostly good Lutherans now, but they still acknowledge their old gods.

    Why did she not mention the noade the mediator between here and the spirit world? She ignored the joik, a form of prayer. And she ignored Meandash, the mythical sacred reindeer who was born of a virgin mother in some versions and who later became immortal.

    We all need a good joik after the sauna.

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  188. http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/12/ows-one-more-step.html

    This is great!

    BTW: Please do not say I did things I did not do. I DO NOT come on as annonymous

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  189. Anon 9:56 and 57 was I Repost.

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  190. Tex, you have made me realize the error of my ways. I’m supposed to love my neighbor as myself. I’m supposed to love the sinner but hate the sin. I’m supposed to reap what I hope to sow. I’ve been sowing hate. I’m a fool.

    So glad I could be of assistance. :twisted: I’m sowing knowledge with a twist – probably futile here, but you never know. There may be a convert to the reality some day. There’s a time and season for everything.

    You’re also first and foremost to speak the truth. And depending which anonymous poster I’m speaking here, without truth, everything else is moot.

    We all know why someone like Puppet mocks Christmas. Progressive politic is her form of religion, even if she’s clueless about that and the origins of the Gregorian calendar, adopted from Julian calendar. Her m.o. is meant to offend. If she can’t stand the smart ass retort, she should run back to the ‘bin’. I’m only playing her game. Doesn’t make feel the least bit guilty, nor is that sowing hate. Truth is truth. Elijah did the same to the prophets of Baal in his day. Good enough for him – good enough for me.

    Good gawd. If Puppet voted for a transparent sham like Obama, and worse still defends his march to the abyss, you don’t think she’s going to be steeped enough to understand anything of why we have a seven day week, or the months named the way the were, as if that makes Christ’s life equivalent to some Caesar, do you? We still use Roman numerals to identify the Olympics, or the year movies produced.

    Does that make our own decimal null and void? I report, you decide.

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  191. You make a lot of sense Tex. Trying to squeeze reason out of the unreasonable is a lesson in futility. I guess it is morbid curiosity more than anything else that drives me. We know the Puppet doesn’t come out and give the real reason behind his/her/its motivation, we are getting the politically correct response. Every so often I get the notion to slam my face into the wall until I go numb trying to dig up the real reason why they think as they do, all the while knowing all I will probably get is a bloody nose for my effort. You think maybe I can count it as penance for my past transgressions?

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  192. My apologies to my liberal friends here. May God bless you richly today and every day.

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  193. Tex, you have made me realize the error of my ways. I’m supposed to love my neighbor as myself. I’m supposed to love the sinner but hate the sin. I’m supposed to reap what I hope to sow. I’ve been sowing hate. I’m a fool.

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  194. No one ever heard of “the war on Christmas” before Fox News

    You’re about 20 years behind the times. What’s new? But I just knew it had to be FOX News’ fault. :twisted:

    One other thing. Once exposed, these snots who happened to work these stores and decided to get all inclusive to the dismay of about 80% of the shoppers? They went crawling for forgiveness when they were exposed.

    You want to wish your friends Happy Chanukah, I’ll wish them with you. But the FEDERAL holiday we will be celebrating is Christmas, little Miss Atheist. I know how that must pain you that those that preceded us actually valued the real reason.

    So why don’t you give up Christmas and be true to self for once, Puppet? Celebrate your favorite, most meaningful holidays? I’ll see they provide you the vacation day so you’re not cheated.

    Perhaps Ground Hog Day? Halloween? Summer solstice?

    Another in a growing list of capricious lib tendencies – political correctness and tyranny by minority.

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  195. No one ever heard of “the war on Christmas” before Fox News and we all did just fine, most of us still do. We wish each other Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year or we simply combine the two and wish each other Happy Holidays, this way we can also include our Jewish friends. Present you dullards with facts and you completely wig out and talk nonsense. Happy Holidays!

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  196. Anon,

    Don’t try to make sense of some tool like Puppet. You’ll get a headache. Puppet is like an amoeba – completely reactionary to her bubble of life. Pure instinct, no logic, or depth, or thought. At best, a useful idiot in a petri dish for experimentation purposes only.

    I mean, The Puppet is still attempting to defend the transparently epic failure called Obama. You can’t get much more desperate and reactionary than that. :grin:

    Remember, the Obama hand is up her Puppet arse, and the link or cut and paste moves the mouth.

    Once you accept that fact, it makes even the worst insults parody.

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  197. I will never understand that Atheist fear of, or hostility towards, Religion. In 40 years of church going, we have never forced anyone to attend. We never forced one family to accept a food donation from our pantry. We never had one person complain when we showed up to make a house payment or pay a utility bill or pay for a car repair. People come and go of their own free will. I wonder what exactly, (no not some vague notion), it is we church goers do that makes us so intimidating or brings out such responses as that Puppet person?

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  198. Well, at least I know why The Puppet is a ward of Caesar Obama. :smile: Amazing how all these wards of nanny state all have the same basic ‘religious’ tenets – “what’s in it for me and there is no god (but me and President Zero).”

    Puppet can celebrate this coming 2012 (Anno Domini) November with her failed messiah being frogmarched to the curb (preferably in hand cuffs), and his three axe handle butted Amazon of a wife to join him.

    Then we can plan on cutting her benefits to zero. :wink: Glorious.

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  199. Sorry No One’s Puppet that I cannot shed a tear for you and yours as you seek to dismantle this country, on belief and tradition at a time.

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  200. And sometimes folks go off on a tangent, so tongue in cheek….

    This year, I am keeping CHRIST in CHRISTmas! (self.atheism)

    submitted 8 days ago by BarrySquared

    A friend on Facebook just reminded me that we should be keeping CHRIST in CHRISTmas!

    I completely agree! It drives me crazy when people forget to honor their god on the occasion named for him. I mean, look at the word! His name’s right there at the beginning!

    So this year, I’m very serious about keeping Christmas for Christ!

    But I don’t want to forget about all of those other gods!

    I’m also keeping January for Janus, the Roman god of doors and gates.

    And February for Februus, the Roman god of purification.

    And March for Mars, the Roman god of war.

    And April for Aphrodite, the Greek god of love and beauty.

    And May for Maia, the Italic goddess of spring and flowers.

    And June for Juno, Roman goddess of marriage, and protector of the state.

    And July for Julius Caesar, believed to be the descendant of a goddess.

    And August for Augustus Caesar, upon his death was officially declared a god by the senate, to be worshiped by all Romans.

    I’m keeping Sunday for the sun, worshiped as a god throughout history.

    And Monday for the moon, also worshiped for thousands of years.

    And Tuesday for Tiu, the Germanic god of war.

    And Wednesday for Woden, chief of the Angelo-Saxon gods.

    And Thursday for Thor, the Norse god of Thunder.

    And Friday for Freya, the Norse goddess, leader of the Valkyrie.

    And Saturday for Saturn, the Roman god of agriculture.

    And while we’re talking about holidays, let’s make sure we keep Ēostre, the Germanic goddess of fertility, in Easter! After all, she’s the reason we have eggs, bunnies, and chocolate!

    So let’s all make sure to remember Christ this Christmas, just like we remember all of those other gods on the occasions named for them! After all, Jesus is every bit as relevant as the rest of them!

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  201. LMAO…..
    I’m in….
    I definitely will not show up for the unoccupy wall street rally…..
    how many other important rally’s should I not show up at???????
    The last rally I went to was the Rally to Restore Sanity……

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  202. In the spirit of 1:10pm post….
    Just so everyone knows, I have a CHRISTMAS TREE in my living room (not a holiday tree), my kids are getting CHRISTMAS PRESENTS (not holiday gifts) and we will eat CHRISTMAS DINNER(not a holiday meal), and I will attend a CHRISTMAS PARTY (not a holiday party). I will also very cheerfully wish you a MERRY CHRISTMAS! (not… happy holidays). By the way, if you want to have a Happy Hanukah , by all means do, I respect that. If you want to have a Blessed Kwanzaa, I also respect that. I want to have a Merry Christmas, so I ask YOU to respect that!

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  203. Happy Holidays ladies,….hopefully you’re out of Thanksgiving leftovers and moving on to the Christmas cookies.

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  204. The war on political correctness continues to cut away at our nation one classroom at a time.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/calif-school-reportedly-bans-teachers-from-displaying-santas-christmas-trees-in-classrooms/

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  205. It is hard to imagine why our congress cannot find $1.2 trillion in cuts over 10 years. Lets say never mind to the fact that no congress can be forces to honor agreements of a previous congress. Yet here a game show host was able to do what our congress could not.

    I agree with you James per my previous. I think bad times are coming. Get to watching your Survival shows, learn to live off the land.

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  206. Right on, George Soros…If you count the under employed, the job loss is even greater.

    russianvoice wrote in a blog “…the patience of Russians is about to end. I don’t recall such huge protests in the last 20 years. This time ordinary people came out, not usual protesters. It was about massive fraud, not about any ideology. Putin has angered too many people.”

    Our leaders ought to pay attention. The Tea Party, and now OWS are bell weathers they should heed.

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  207. Ok I Repost, your dream has come true. Did you know that if the Rich really want to pay more taxes, that they do not have to wait for an act of congress? There is a provision in the tax code already for donating to pay on the national debt. Now with my limited resources if I was able to figure this out, surely these rich fat cats know this as well. So why is it they have not started writing checks to back up their rhetoric?

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  208. The last one was mine.

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  209. I’ll drink to that Dawn. I’ve called twice. “Tea bagger” refers to a sexual practice. “Tea Party” the acceptable term.

    Yes, Anonymous, the Democrats must be inept for this to be all Republicans’ fault.

    In Russia, a so called Facebook revolution has energized thousands of protesters and arrests. It could happen here too, if the military began to arrest people under the National Defense Act.

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  210. I Like IT!

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  211. JuneauJoe, aka I Repost, it is interesting that you think Republicans are totally to blame for everything that is wrong in this country.

    No, no, no, no. People like Juneau don’t think. They regurgitate.

    If they and their sisters thought, they would realize calling someone teabagger makes them the teabaggee (dip, dip). If they thought, they would be able to calculate that losing more jobs then adding jobs is a net negative, and that a shrinking workforce under Obama has actually masked how many people are truly out of work. The latest unemployment number seems far better than it really is, because when one know longer qualifies for benefits, you don’t count in the number. Isn’t that clever by Obama’s accounting lackeys?

    This is not higher level mathematics – though it seems that way to the tinfoil crowd.

    Try to picture a marionette, with a hand up their arse and two fingers on a clip to make their mouth move. In this case, the hand up their arse is the puppet masters at MSNBC and the NYTimes and the clip is the link to the aptly named Crooks & Liars or Think Progress.

    More tinfoil!

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  212. JuneauJoe, aka I Repost, it is interesting that you think Republicans are totally to blame for everything that is wrong in this country. For that to be true, that would mean that the Democrats are the most incompetent, ineffective, uninformed politicians in the world. Do you really think that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd had nothing to do with the economic collapse?

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  213. Wanna know an easy way to rob a bank??? Own one…

    So back to that National defense act the senate passed. Naturally, FOX, CNN, and MSNBC are mysteriously silent on it. Here’s another link. But I’d suggest calling your representative daily as well as the white house to oppose it. It really doesn’t matter if you’re a tea bagger or OWS, you can be detained indefinitely.

    I think I’ll eat some bacon…

    http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-and-the-tea-party-cant-save-you-2012-national-defense-act-is-terrifying-2011-12

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  214. http://juanitajean.com/

    That brings the total for such trips to $762,680 from his November 2010 re-election through Sept. 28. The expenses include such items as airfare, food and lodging for the security detail. (The cost of State Rangers security detail which is paid for by the citizens of Texas.)

    Now you might be wondering how it is that Perry’s vast political funds can pay for the campaign expenses but not the security detail. Well, Rick Perry has an answer for that.

    Even before he announced for president, Perry said when asked about security costs that it would be appropriate for the state to foot the bill, asserting that regardless of whether he aimed at the White House, “I’m going to be promoting Texas wherever I go.”

    I WANT MY DAMN MONEY BACK! (Yes, as a matter of fact, I most certainly am hollering.) If that ain’t consumer fraud, I do not know what is.

    Rick Perry has made a fool of Texas. There are entire states of people who cannot say Texas without guffawing. You are not promoting Texas, Governor, you are demoting Texas. Hell, Bud, you’ve made Mississippi look like an intellectual garden land.

    Rick Perry is dead as a presidential candidate – he just won’t lay down. But the reason he won’t quit is that he still has millions left in his campaign account. Maybe we could teach grandma to throw rocks at him

    Enjoy your day!

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  215. Why don’t we prosecute Wall Street Criminals? (BTW: 800 went to jail during the Savings and Loan crisis.)

    http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/60-minutes-asks-why-arent-we-prosecuti

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  216. Jon Stewart on the Republican Presidential Candidates:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-december-5-2011/indecision-2012—the-sh-t-s-gettin–real?xrs=synd_facebook

    Where are the private sector jobs created by 700 Billion per year tax cuts to the wealthiest 1 percent? The jobs evaporated when the ECONOMY IMPLODED because GW, The Bankers and Corporations took away the ability to regulate and the 1% went for profit only.

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  217. The Liberalr war on political correctness continues. I wonder what it is about children that threatens Liberals so much that they are after our kids?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ousted-5th-grader-speaks-watch-grayson-thomas-describe-what-happened-to-him-after-he-said-a-local-tv-anchor-looked-like-obama/

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  218. MORE PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS CREATED IN 2010 THAN DURING THE ENTIRE GW BUSH YEARS! Bush and his banker friends crashed the economy so bad that we need lots more. BTW: Why was it not a concern to have Private Sector Jobs during the Bush years?

    Average Unemployment Rate under George Bush (8 years) = 5.3%
    Average Unemployment Rate under Barack Obama (3 years) = 9.4%

    More Tinfoil for Juneau! (And maybe some remedial math).

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  219. HI Whirled Peas. Great to see you again

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  220. NOP….
    I put the post in because of the stories about Newt asking for a divorce while she was on her deathbed…….and a lot of people repeating it……

    Should I say that I found a story about Obama beating his wife???????Repeat it enough and??????

    So if being divorced is “thee” reason not to vote for someone then I’m glad that you voted for “Dubya”

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  221. Call President Obama and ask him to VETO the Defense Authorization Act NOW.

    It is a horrendous bill. I thought the Patriot Act was bad but this one is much worse.

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  222. MORE PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS CREATED IN 2010 THAN DURING THE ENTIRE GW BUSH YEARS! Bush and his banker friends crashed the economy so bad that we need lots more. BTW: Why was it not a concern to have Private Sector Jobs during the Bush years?

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/

    President Obama: Please veto the

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  223. Thank you!

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  224. So we all know how ridiculous but damaging this Liberal war of political correctness is. Last time, we had a 7 year old boy get suspended and charged with sexual harassment for kicking a boy in the nuts that had been bullying him. Now we have a 9 year old boy who said his elementary school teacher was cute in a private conversation with a friend being suspended.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/05/student-9-years-old-suspended-for-sexual-harassment_n_1129683.html?1323107604&ncid=webmail1

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  225. Our low this morning was -6. It was colder than in many parts of Alaska.

    Anonymous, consider this. Iran sends oil to China for refining because it doesn’t have sufficent capacity for its needs. China sends the finished product back. They also buy a lot of Iranian oil.

    Russia is helping Iran build its nuclear facilities. They are also angry at the United States because we plan to build an anti- missile defense against Iran. If we build it they threaten to aim their missiles at us. Some believe we have disabled their Mars probe.

    Hackers have damaged Iran’s nuclear program. Several of its scientists have been killed, and at least two explosions damaged nuclear facilities. Iranians claim to have shot down a large unmanned spy drone. They are angry. So called students invaded and damaged the British embassy.

    Hillary and Geitner put stronger sanctions in the bill which might let the Army kill American citizens. One feature would stop the oil trade between China and Iran.
    Iranians warned us that they will retaliate soon. China says if we attack Iran, they will attack us.

    All Iran would need to do would to place an embargo on the Straights of Hermous. Even if they only warned ships to stay out, many would. We and Russia have ships in the area. Our attempt to keep the straights open might be a source of conflict. An embargo would send the oil market higher, and high fuel prices might be the last straw to send Europe and later us into a deep recession.

    One of Iraq’s former leaders said the most important thing the war taught them was to never fight a war with a major power unless one has thermonuclear weapons. Isreal has about 200 nukes, and other nations are or may have the bomb later.

    It could get much worse, not that it will.

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  226. Two more cents…all I could afford. ;)

    All hail our glorious Job Creators!

    Hypothetically speaking, of course!

    PEACE ~ Δ

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  227. I hate to be an alarmist. But it seems to me there are a lot of things going on that, were one to start to draw some lines and connect the dots, I think it would give many reasons for concern.

    We have rioters breaking the law in the streets of most every major city.

    We have economic collapse occurring on a global level.

    We have some of the freest countries in the world curtailing the freedoms of their population.

    We have the United States, known for personal freedoms and liberties, passing legislation to turn its military on its own people. Last year a military division was deployed within the borders of the U.S. tasked with the mission to protect against domestic terrorism and civil unrest.

    If I were a leader who had foreknowledge of events to come say from something like a collapse of society or the like, and I wanted to cut the loss of human life as much as possible when all forms of infrastructure and modern conveniences break down, how do I educate the populous? I would promote a variety of reality shows on surviving in the wild and off the land in as many different climates as possible.

    We are seeing massive amounts of wealth being consolidated by an elite few. We have massive amounts of corruption in our own government. I know there will be naysayers that will say this happens in every generation. But to them I say, not all at once, not at this level, and not like this. I wonder how much has to go wrong, before we can be justified in feeling that something is terribly wrong, and might be soon to get very much worse?

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  228. On behalf of my Dutch in laws, thank you Anonymous.

    Newt is one of the most creative and intelligent politicians active today.Gingrich created a plan to retake the House, and he had the skill to make it happen. He also shares a lot of credit for the two greatest achievements of the Clinton years–a balanced budget and welfare reform. He ls also as undisciplined and arrogant as Bill Clinton, another bright politician who could have been much more than he was.

    New is also a blowhard, and he is arrogant. He can’t focus on one thought for long. Though it would be fun to watch Newt destroy Obama in a debate, he will crash. I hope it happens before Newt is nominated.

    Poolman likes Ron Paul, and Pfessor and I have expressed a bias in favor of John Huntsman. Both are doing better in the polls now. I still hope Mitt Romney can survive.

    Most will not remember or care, but four years ago this afternoon a young man killed eight people at Von Maurer in Omaha’s West Roads Mall. Several people were seriously wounded. Then, the man killed himself. People we know were there that day.

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  229. Happy Sinterklaas to all of my Dutch friends! :)

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  230. Newt: Cobb County – his old district, and the enormous amount of Federal Dollars they get. Michael Moore and Newt together in Cobb County.

    Hi Whirled and everyone else.

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  231. Perhaps, the former Mrs. Newt survives to exact revenge on the old boy, otherwise I can’t image your point UAW.

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  232. Hey Whirled, good to see you are still around and passing on your great “cents” of humor ;-)

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  233. M&H and gang: You know I luv ya. I’m always checkin’ in.

    My 2 cents: *GOP Values

    Happy Holidays!

    PEACE ~ Δ

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  234. re: The Newt –

    An old doctor-friend of mine (old as in 83 years old) have engaged in regular lively give-and take about politics for several years. He’s a staunch liberal, I an equally staunch libertarian, so it’s a lot of fun. We often buy books for each other, with the promise that we will read the other’s propaganda. He bought me Soros, I bought him Friedman. Great fun.

    A couple of years ago I bought Newt’s then-new book and read it myself, before giving Jim his copy. It was appalling. I had admired Gingrich greatly for his wide-ranging knowledge base and his authorship of nearly all of the Contract With America, but this was a rambling collection of throw-away one-liners, dogmatic statements that were patently not true, pandering to the Religious Right – but mostly a very unconvincing treatise of why we needed to “return America to God.” ???? “Return America to God?” – and this guy is a history professor?

    When my friend asked me where was his book, I told him I had thrown it in the trash; even though I had been a Gingrich supporter, I was just too embarrassed to give that kind of drivel to my old friend. (He said I shouldn’t have done that; now he was forced to upgrade his opinion of my tastes. LOL)

    No, I find Professor Gingrinch’s treatment of his ex-wives pretty distasteful, but that’s not his problem. His problem is that he is exactly the kind of dogmatist that is often in error but never in doubt. I found out what that leads to by voting for GWB – (twice – ok, so I’m a slow learner). The only problem is that Obama is probably worse. I hope Romney is the candidate; Newt has shown himself for WHO HE REALLY IS for too long to survive the election process. In a debate I don’t think anybody can touch Gingrich – and certainly not Obama; the question is whether he is the best man to be president. I think not.

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  235. I’m not going to give up but I am laughing, which is a good thing 1st thing this morning. Thank you PFesser :-)
    The wind is roaring and I can hear avalanches from nearby mountain over it . Laughing is a good counterfoil.
    Thank you Helen and Margaret for having us all in.

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  236. Happy holidays, Helen and Margaret. So sorry to hear about Harold’s passing. I can’t imagine the life adjustment you’re having to make. My very best to you.

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  237. “just wanted to ask the Newt bashers a question…..How is Newt’s first wife doing? (after 21 years she’s still alive)
    How about Kerry’s first wife?
    How about Edward’s wife?”

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    (However three do. – Tony Hendra)

    Here you go!
    “Deteriorata” – Tony Hendra, National Lampoon

    Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
    And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
    Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
    Rotate your tires.
    Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
    And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
    Know what to kiss, and when.
    Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do.
    Wherever possible, put people on hold.
    Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
    and despite the changing fortunes of time,
    There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

    Remember The Pueblo.
    Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
    Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI.
    Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
    Especially with those persons closest to you –
    That lemon on your left, for instance.
    Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
    Would scarcely get your feet wet.
    Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face.
    Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan.
    And let not the sands of time get in your lunch.
    Hire people with hooks.
    For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken.
    Take heart in the bedeepening gloom
    That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
    And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot,
    It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

    You are a fluke of the universe.
    You have no right to be here.
    And whether you can hear it or not,
    The universe is laughing behind your back.

    Therefore, make peace with your god,
    Whatever you perceive him to be – hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
    With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
    The world continues to deteriorate.
    Give up!

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  238. just wanted to ask the Newt bashers a question…..How is Newt’s first wife doing? (after 21 years she’s still alive)
    How about Kerry’s first wife?
    How about Edward’s wife?

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  239. I dunno. This might be the seventh sign.

    Ron Paul and Donald Trump are slapping each other in public. I can’t wait until the hair pulling part.

    Fresh off snubbing Donald Trump by refusing to participate in a debate he’s moderating, Ron Paul blasts his fellow GOP presidential candidates for paying the billionaire businessman so much credence.

    “I don’t quite understand the marching to his office,” Paul said on CNN’s State of the Union this morning, referring to the parade of presidential candidates who’ve met with Trump in recent months. “I didn’t know he had the ability to lay on hands and anoint people.”

    Paul rejected the debate invitation by deeming Trump beneath the presidency, while Trump released a statement saying Paul is “clown-like” and “willing to lie” and “either very jealous of Mr. Trump, stupid, or a combination of both.” The debate is scheduled for Dec. 27 in Des Moines, Iowa.

    You know, if this was in a theater, I’d have to pay $10 cash American money to see it. Thanks to the Republican Party, the same good folks who brought you Sarah Palin and Dubya Bush, I can watch it at home for free. In my damn pajamas. Is this a great country or what?

    http://juanitajean.com/

    No link needed!!!

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  240. p.s. Since learning of your support of your party line of forced sterilization of the poor and blacks, and continued support of the rape and murdering among other crimes of the OWS movement, I discontinued clicking on any of your links. No point when you know what the messenger is all about

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  241. It might be worth noting that no president in history, save the unpopular Truman, won re-election with such ratings. And, as U.S. News points out, Truman did so by running an anti-Congress campaign that Obama’s team is using as a model. Nuff said.

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  242. President Obama still beating all the Republican Presidential Candidates!
    Nuff Said.

    Palin/ Anonymouse 2012

    Here is a lady who is pushing Sarah Palin to run! You might join her in pleading with Sarah. (I hope that is not you the lady is bad mouthing as she praises Sarah.) Apologies if that you is being yelled at.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/12/sarah-palin-supporter-records-herself.html

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  243. Messiah Obama = Worst Approval Rating of Any President In Hostory. Nuff Said.

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  244. Latest Polls show President Obama winning against any Republican, except Palin. (She was not included in the poll) You might plead with her to become the nominee.) Sarah and Anonymouse 2012.
    Sign Sarah up before she signs onto Dancing with the Stars.

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-2012-favorite

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  245. I personally don’t care about his baggage. Im not voting for my President on the Liberal version of the Jerry Springer show. The Messiah has borked this country beyond all recognition. Can Newt do the job, that is all I care about. You guys go ahead and check out the underside of his balls all you want, I just do not care.

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  247. Even FOX Sunday Panels questions Newt’s ablility to win. Newt has a lot of baggage.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/fox-news-sunday-panel-doesnt-think-much-ne

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  248. wow…calls him names? calls him a loser? we running for President of the United States or middle school?

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  249. Joe Scarborough, Conservative, rips Newt a new A-hole. Joe calls Newt a major flip flopper and loser.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/joe-scarborough-blasts-new-hampshire-union

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  250. hey Juneaujoe….
    do you really believe that stuff you post???????
    If so, two words from my party……
    MERRY CHRISTMAS

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  251. Tom Coburn says Newt is unelectable. (Have you noticed the Republican party approval is well below President Obama? Newt, MR FAMILY VALUES!
    He can talk Family Values with the best of them, the rules just do not apply to him.

    The Clip is say Tom Coburn (R-Conservative) saying bad things about Newt.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/tom-coburn-calls-newt-gingrichs-leadership

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  252. I Repost, aka JuneauJoe keeps claiming that everyone loves the Messiah and even most Republicans approve. Well if that is so how do you explain his approval rating being the worst in history?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obamas-approval-rating-finally-drops-below-carters-worst-of-any-president-at-this-stage-of-his-term/

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  253. I don’t know why I bother with I Repost, aka JuneauJoe. I keep forgetting he is no deeper than the links he posts. Back to the ways of the last thread it is then.

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  254. A 96 year old woman quits the Republican party because they are working against the middle class.

    http://monologuesofdissent.blogspot.com/2011/07/im-96-years-old-and-im-not-republican.html

    The following letter was shared with me by my friend, Melissa Luther, who has been active in the Wisconsin protests since Governor Scott Walker first announced his intentions to “balance” our budget on the backs of the poor, the elderly and our children, while taking away workers’ rights and granting exorbitant tax cuts to corporations. It is a powerful reminder that we are not alone, and our work is not in vain. It is a thank you to all who have stood up to challenge these attacks on Wisconsin families. And it is a plea to those who think our struggle is all about partisan politics: listen to what Katherine has to say. Listen to her daughter. And ask yourself, “Who is on my side? Who is standing up for me and my family?”
    (Hint: IT IS NOT THE GOP PARTY!! or conservatives!)

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  255. You are so closed minded like so many Liberals today I do not know I Repost if I can explain this in a way that will get past your prejudice,

    Your premise is a false one. To think that someone from before I was born could hijack anything is absurd. Conservatives, and others like me, have a thing that we like to call ideals. Ideals are things we try to achieve. Because we do not meet them does not mean we are hypocrites. It means we have set a very high standard and do our very best as human beings to achieve it. We put ourselves out there to try and be more and do more than those before us, in spite of the very real possibility of failure.

    This flies in the face of what the majority of Liberals believe. Liberals want easily achievable goals. It is because you and yours have set the bar so low that we are in the moral mess we are in today. You think you are being kind by making everything so dam easy so that EVERYONE can think they are a success. The problem is the bar has been set so low, that many lose the will to exceed expectations and be truly excellent. As you might imagine this is a belief system I have little respect for.

    You cry and celebrate that in your eyes the caliber of the candidates that have presented themselves to run for President of the United States is lacking. Let us take a look at Herman Cain. Let us take a look at Newt Gingrich. Look at what these men and their families have had to endure at the hands of the Liberal party. Did you care about Herman Cain’s economic plan? No. You all were a Jerry Springer episode going after the man for supposed marital infidelities. You want to talk hypocrisy? You couldn’t be bothered with the subject of infidelities when Bill Cigar up my interns crotch Clinton was President. And now you are suddenly struck with morality? Tell me, impact would Cain’s alleged indiscretions have on our country were he to become President? Do you think maybe is 9-9-9- plan would have more effect on your family? The obvious answer is his economic policies were of far more importance, yet look what you all focused on.

    What this tells me is Liberals do not give a good God dam about this country. They care about power and making sure they have it. You have no rule book yet demand others play fair. I have said for years that Liberals are the party of personal attacks. How you all conducted yourself to this point proves me 110% correct. Do not expect men of character and quality to come out and subject themselves to you. The very fact they have character precludes most of them from subjecting their loved ones to what you Liberals do to anyone who does not believe as you do.

    When it comes to qualifications, Newt, as a politician and a statesman beats everyone on the chess board, even your beloved Messiah.

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  256. So glad to see you “back,” Helen. I know each holiday after losing a loved one is hard in its own special way (I lost my Dad last year). Glad to see you’re feeling feisty enough to let Trudy know who’s in charge. I’m sure the dinner was the better for it (how could it not be, with BACON!

    I am thankful for many things this year, and being able to visit this little corner of the internet is not the least among them.

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  257. Even some of our neighbors across the pond understand. Very well said. Margaret Thatcher on Socialism.

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  258. A historical perspective of GOP poor policy decisions!

    http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com/2006/07/message-to-my-republican-friends.html

    I have a message for my Republican friends: Forty-two years ago, in the summer of 1964, at the Republican National Convention at the Cow Palace Arena – in San Fransisco, of all places – your party was hijacked by a cabal of kooks, criminals and fools. And all these years later they – or their ideological heirs – still retain tight control of the GOP. They don’t plan on letting go anytime soon.

    For far too many years to count, we’ve had to listen to these assholes try to portray themselves as the party of family values. Don’t get me started! Family values? Family values?? Would someone please explain to me just what the hell their virtual war on the middle class has got to do with family values? (Is NEWT your shining example of family values?)

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  259. The effects of the Liberal war on political correctness has reared its ugly head once again.

    http://www.newser.com/story/134634/7-year-old-accused-of-sex-harassment-after-groin-kick.html

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  260. While I normally agree with EVERYTHING you write, # 6 and 11, honestly are the GOSPEL truth. I hope Trudy listened.

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  261. You probably guessed the last post at 10:40AM was mine.

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  262. Thanks for the recipie alaskapi. We have many quarts of raspberries in the freezer that I raised and picked last summer. Ive got recipies, but I am interested in something a little different for Christmas.

    I agree we need the Glass- Stegal law again or something like it.

    I’ve been calling my representatives but so far all they do is tell me not to worry. We citizens are in no danger of sudden arrest or detention. They are blind.

    As delurkergurl wrote it is dangerous when intent and potential authority differ. We are slowly losing our freedoms on many fronts. The latest is the Labor Departments’ intent to ban anyone younger than 18 to work with heavy farm machinery or livestock.

    I was upset, but not now. It is snowing hard, and it is time for me to ski.

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  263. Delurkergurl-
    I’m as unsettled as you on most counts as regards the language and intent in this part of the bill.
    I’m thinking, because it is a huge defense bill covering a bazillion defense related items, that it is too easy for legislators to skim over this section without enough thought. Would love to see someone in the House seperate it out and actually argue it on it’s own (lack of) merits.
    I’m not surprised by the R response as it is an important part of what is best about the Rs and am glad to see they haven’t completely fallen away from what-is-best about their philosophy. What is saddest to me is the D thingy- as I think centrist Ds are so far from what-is-best about Ds as to be totally disheartening.

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  264. Pfesser, your autoimmune analogy was PERFECT.

    AlaskaPi, I saw that clarification of intent, as well as the section that specifically excludes Americas (but apparently not from the whole law). I was glad to see it but it’s not enough. The intent isn’t to poof our citizens but the authority is still there.

    It is baffling to her Republicans rail against this. Maybe because a Democrat co-authored it? IIRC, the first round passed with an overwhelming Republican majority, and the final Senate bill was passed by just about everyone. I say it’s interesting when Republicans complain about it because they are the first ones who start screaming when there’s an intent to try a suspected terrorist in civilian court. They want it to be military, or no trial at all. This is what they are getting, so where’s the beef?

    Equally baffling are the Democrats who supported it. I don’t get it at all.

    I wish I had some hope it wouldn’t make it through the house but I pretty much expect when the bill reconciliation occurs, it will remain the same or get worse, not better. I’m a hopeless pessimist when it comes to the current congress, though, so we’ll see.

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  265. I agree JuneauJoe. With apologies to a dear friend in TX who hangs her head over Phil Gramm the way we do over SP here, I think we need to look carefully at the damage done with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which repealed much of the GS Act and rebuild those walls properly.

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  266. FOX has on a Millionaire who says he the wealthy to be taxed at the pre Bush rates. He makes a good case.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/millionaire-nick-hanauer-shoots-down-neil-c

    AlaskaPi: Glass-Stegall was a good piece of legislation and it has been disaster since it was removed. Putting it back in place would be a good idea.

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  267. PFesser-
    It IS very important and something which people of all persuasions should be paying attention to. The fearful mindset which has allowed so many erosions of rights to move freely, talk about our own government , and protect us from our own government needs to be discarded.
    We have changed the landscape of America to accomodate fear of the unknown to the point we are damaging what we do know we want to live with/like.
    I have memories from childhood about the whole “commie” thing and people doing some really stupid things to feel safe from the boogey-man- we don’t need to do this again.

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  268. PFesser-
    I’m a very left-libertarian, a distinctly different critter than a right-libertarian. I don’t have any hope that the right-libertarian view would help much but then I only know the right-libertarians here and the organized ones are mostly fruitcakes dabbling in militias and all.
    I did get into an interesting comment back and forth with Norm Olson on an Alaskan blog recently over whether we should put the Glass-Stegall act back into place fully. I’m still shaking my head that we both agreed we should.

    Donna- if you are out there , when used in legal language doesn’t “authorities” means settled precedent?

    I’ll watch the clip later today- R Paul so sets my teeth on edge I need to work up to listening to him.
    People mostly ignore me about this but I find President Obama to be very moderate and hardly the leftist so many cast him as. The tiny patch of ground we are arguing over in the national scene is a fair amount right of center and has been for almost 30 years.

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  269. alaskapi et al:

    I apologise for beating this drum to death, but this is a fundamental, frontal attack on the most sacred of American rights, the right to habeas corpus and a blatant violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. I really don’t want to get into this chronic link-posting, since I have been one of the biggest critics of it, but I will post one more to Judge Napolitano, explaining what this bill is:

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  270. alaskapi –

    God what a mess. Al-Qaeda got its wish but not in the way it wanted. I just visited the 9-11 memorial in NYC and it occurred to me that this whole “War on Terror” was like an autoimmune disease – the insult was relatively minor but the response is destroying the patient.

    I generally avoid Fox news, but I am a big fan of Judge Andrew Napolitano. I watched his show last night and he is as exercised as I have ever seen him about this bill, your above paragraph notwithstanding. Here is a discussion between him and Rand Paul, senator from KY:

    I voted for Obama with great trepidation in the last presidential election, mainly because of the possibility that if McCain were elected president, Klondike Kardashian might succeed The Geezer if he got sick…now I am SURE I did the right thing; Obama’s – and his minions’, Geithner and The Bernank – misadventures can be fixed I think, but electing someone who attacks his own Constitution would have been a far more serious mistake.

    This government is completely out of control. My plans are two: first, contact my Representative and urge him to derail this S.1867 abortion in the House, and secondly, do everything I can to campaign against Mark Warner in his next election. Webb is retiring; although we will need a Republican majority to try and repair Obama’s mistakes I will likely vote Democrat in the next Congressional elections. As I said, what a mess…the Libertarians are our best hope, I believe. Hell, if so many of them weren’t certifiably insane I’d even join up with the Tea Party. Now that’s desperation…LOL

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  271. James- Basic raspberry pies are pretty much all the same ( and yummy) but here’s a favorite which is a lil bit different

    http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1937,144181-253195,00.html

    And no fair bringing up razzies when fresh razzies are a summer memory… dang.

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  272. (Well, pffft on WordPress comment dealie. I’m sure it wasn’t operator arror that posted before I finished )
    As per the link above , sometimes the Thomas temporary links don’t work when you go back but you can always go back and track from the beginning. There are 2 forms of this bill vavailable- the original proposal and the engrossed (passed) bill.
    Somebody was listening- whether it was enough is hard to know.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/home/bills_res.html

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  273. Pfesser- comparing the proposed bill and the one the Senate passed , this paragraph was added in Sec 1031 which somewhat changes the original. Whether it is adequate to head off the concerns we all have about this section -? I don’t know.

    (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:2:./temp/~c112LKD7WC:e548990:

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  274. I thought my phone calls to my representatives were harsh Pfessor. Not after I read what you wrote.

    Bacon and paprika in deviled eggs sounds good.

    Does anyone have a good, easy recipie for raspberry pie?

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  275. Looks like Delurk was right..we had nothing to worry about.

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  276. Senate passes S.1867. Only seven senators vote against it, none of whom were from VA.

    New letters to Senators Jim Webb and Mark Warner:

    Sir:

    Unless there is some extremely important reason for you to support a bill that gives the President the right to use the military to arrest American citizens and hold them without charge, I want you to understand that I intend to use every legal means at my disposal to do my small part to assure that you never accomplish anything further in your career. Shame on you sir! This is not only unconstitutional but it is immoral. Shame on you and the 96 others that would attack your own country in this way. Shame. Shame.

    And I thought you were a patriot. Feh.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, VA

    *********************************************************************

    Rant over. I am f’ing furious.

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  277. don’t forget the paprika…..

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  278. Thank you HJ! I have the same problem as UAW after 12 or so …
    Gonna try your recipe with bacon bits , since bacon makes everything better :-)

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  279. Here’s one I found in a favorite cookbook, though I would defer to our own maestro, Helen, of course:

    “Stuffed Eggs”
    5 to 6 eggs, hard boiled
    1 to 2 tablespoons oil
    Vinegar, to taste
    Salt & pepper, to taste
    Sugar, to taste
    Garnish: pimiento, parsley, chives, bacon bits or cherry tomatoes

    Shell eggs and cut in half lengthwise. Remove and mash yolks . . . Add remaining ingredients (except garnish). Stuff whites and garnish as desired

    A favorite of our maestro.

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  280. YOU POSTED!!! I am so happy- Helen- you always make my day! Thanks for the vinegar tip, totally trying it. Keep speaking up- you are LOVED!!!

    Welcome back to the blogasphere!

    P.S. I am so very sorry for the loss of your Harold. Much love.

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  281. I remember when I was a boy we heard we were going to put a man on the moon. I also remember the movie 2001. It may not have been hubris, but it was close.

    The system of dams built on the Missouri River was intended to prevent destructive floods. Mission creep made the corps responsible for navigation, upstream tourism, protecting endangered species, and so on. As a result, flood control became less important than other needs.

    A flood this spring was inevitable. Besides the heavy snow cover, six inches of rain or more fell on an upstream area the size of Nebraska. NOP, who compared our plight to a hangnail, was proven wrong. Six inches of rain or more fell on an area the size of the Nebraska panhandle during Hurricane Irene. Much of that water soon ran into the Atlantic Ocean. Our water had to flow down one river.

    Yes, allowing the Corps the benefit of extraordinary circumstances, their management has been a joke. Even a FEMA official told me so.

    The same changing channel is true of the Missouri River . Carter Lake, Iowa is on the Nebraska side of the river. One of my aunts used to have land in Nebraska and Iowa because of past changes in the channel. Both states charged property taxes.

    I agree about letting streams take their natural course, but I am prejudiced about this river because the valley is my home.

    Our neighbor said it took a month for him and helpers to remove most of the sand from 14 acres. NOP was wrong about that too. The farmers won’t get any money from FEMA because FEMA is broke.

    Five or six foot sand dunes cover a wide forest next to the river. All of those trees are probably dead. Our neighbor sometimes wondered why huge 200-year old trees were not growing out there. Now, we know. A similar flood killed them long ago. Our part of the river has been slowly shifting west. Lewis and Clark probably took their expedition over our farm. Reminents of the old bank and sand bars are on our landl

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  282. deviled eggs don’t like me….I start getting sick after 12-14 of them…..

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  283. @By: avotresante on November 25, 2011
    at 7:06 AM –
    RE: “please tell me how you incorporate vinegar into deviled eggs; how much, what type, etc.”

    I didn’t see an answer to you, so I’ll jump in.
    When I do deviled eggs I only do about a half-dozen so Ed & I don’t eat ourselves sick on them; so for 6 yolks, I add my spices and between 1-2 tsp of vinegar and mix it in before I add the dressing. If you haven’t used vinegar before, you will want to add the dressing carefully & cut back your usual amount (to keep the consistency right). Of course, you may want to adjust to your taste.
    I was pretty excited to see this part of the post – these are part of our holiday menu, always! Don’t usually see them mentioned.

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  284. I disagree on the moon analogy. Confidence and competency got us to the moon. Confidence is an entirely different animal from hubris, which is overconfidence and arrogance. I understand the desire to confine the river as much as possible in order to maximize habitable land, but look where it has got us. There are many municipalities along the Mississippi that, if the levees broke, the river bed has risen so much that the river would take an entirely new course permanently.

    It seems far better to me to work WITH the Father of the Waters rather than against it – let it flood gently over millions of square acres to a depth of six inches – rather than confine it and have it flood twenty feet deep. I’m no hydrologist though…I’m sure the Corps knows exactly what it is doing.

    That’s a joke.

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  285. Yes, increased fertility is a possibilty, Pfessor. A hundred years ago, several farmers cut the dikes to let their fields flood to improve their land. Our problem is no one knows how many soil organisms survived the extended innundation. We are lucky. Only an inch of silt and fine sand covers our land.

    Yes, hubris is a wonderful feeling. It got us to the moon, but nature wins in the end.

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  286. Pfessor ( ,alaskapi too,) you might like this one. Google Sofia Karlsson: on youtube. The instrumental sounds to me almost as if it came from the hills of West Virginia or Kentucky.

    The other is Sophia Karlsson Jeg Venter. It describes a Sami man’s disenchantment with life in the South. Sort of like Don William’s “Tulsa Town.”
    “I cross latitudes northwards. see stripes flying by…I drive without stop. Now, I come home to you”

    She reminds me a little of Judy Collins and near the end, she borderline joiks. Joiking was once banned because of its pagan origins.

    Our largest preditor is the coyote. Coyotes killed and partly ate a Canadian singer when she was hiking. Once in a while, mountain lions wander through. A teenager out hunting, shot one across the river from us a couple of weeks ago. He lunged at the boy from behind a tree. Five or six years ago, one of my wife’s ex students saw a mother and two cubs on her front lawn. I’m glad we don’t have bears.

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  287. An Attorney General just sued 5 banks – finally. Most are willing to settle with a fine and not have them say guilty. Thank You AG Coakley of Massachusetts, we have needed this. Finally!

    http://www.examiner.com/feminism-in-chicago/breaking-five-us-banks-being-sued-by-attorney-general#ixzz1fLcDaeNm

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  288. The ancient Egyptians depended on the Nile’s yearly flood to bring fertility; perhaps the ?Missouri? will do the same for you.

    Of course the Egyptians didn’t corral the Nile into narrow channels with levees like we do, so when the spring flood came, it was a gentle rise of water that was only a few inches deep.

    Once again, humanity’s hubris and desire to conquer nature rather than work with it causes it to shoot itself in the pecker.

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  289. Thanks Pfessor. I like the song, and have book marked it. That is how it was. Match Box 20s’ “How Far We’ve Come” with allusions to the end of the world describes it too.

    As with the song, some people didn’t return.

    Thanks to our drought, most places have had less than an inch of rain since mid August.That has helped put the rivers back to their normal levels. The wind creates haze as the sand blows. Some farms now have five foot sand dunes. The sand is too fine to be good for anything. Farmers are scraping it into large piles. Some are moving it to other fields and tilling it into the ground.

    No one, not even the experts knows how the soil will yield next year, because our land has not been submerged for five or six months since Europeans moved here. One of our fields still has a ten acre pond. Some people still bear psycyological effects as tornado or hurricane survivers might.

    It is 1 degree this morning. The storm which damaged southern California northeastward is supposed to give us rain and then 4 to 7 inches of snow. I’m happy because we need the moisture before the ground freezes, and because I like to cross country ski.

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  290. Alaskapi….no I don’t belong to any reenactment groups….I got my first muzzle loader to extend my hunting season…..Just fun to shoot with the smoke and the light recoil……..I have an inline for hunting now but still pull out the ol truck axle for target shooting now and then….(mother,mother-in-law, and 2 sisters that love venison)

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  291. James –

    I had forgotten about this old song:

    It’s Muddy Waters by the Seldom Scene – my sentimental favorite bluegrass band of all time. My wife (then girlfriend) and I saw them in the early ‘seventies. They are still around and I think even played at the White House several years back. There is a live version on YouTube with this song’s being sung by its writer, Phil Rosenthal. Judging by the voice, I think the version above is being sung by John Starling, who was also a surgeon. The informal leader was John Duffey; on the Live at the Cellar Door album he cuts up with the audience. He did that in person, too; it was a wonderful band to see live.

    I don’t know if you are familiar with this band, but they set out to NOT be commercial and only played locally. All the band members kept their day jobs, but they got so popular they had commercial success anyway.

    Anyhow, a ran across that song again last night and it made me think of you and your family. Is the river completely back in its banks yet?

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  292. Fabulous letter to the family. Wish I had thought of it. Shoot, wish I had DONE it.

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  293. My 5 yr old Carly said: ‘I know what elderly is, everything is jiggly and you are poor!’

    So young, but so perceptive.

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  294. PFesser – I’ve been charged three times by black bears, twice as a bluff charge , once for real. The ‘for real” one was by a starving adolescent bear which Fish and Game shot shortly thereafter. It was trying to break into houses and was tearing up yards and garages and all trying to find food.
    Blacks are generally more ready to take off when people come around than browns but they will and do attack.
    UAW- you involved with one of the black powder or historical re-enactment groups? (I’m ignoring the horsepunky :-) )

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  295. just checking in….tomorrow is the first day of muzzle-loading……
    happy to add that there are no horses around…..

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  296. James, good guess. Glad to hear you are doing pretty well after the flood. Bet that made for a long summer.

    I saw this a few days ago and decided to give the “girls” some peace, as long as they played nice and didn’t start with the lying political propaganda. Then they have to go and muck things up, making false accusation.

    And as long as they don’t scold somebody else and demand that only they have authority to chastise while you are to sit quiet like a toadstool, I will leave well enough alone.

    You don’t need my help with the misandrists and their “boy toys.” :roll:

    Just wanted to say hello.

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  297. Thanks for the good words. I also like to read other people’s stories.

    Life is good. I just finished helping the divorcee mentioned earlier feel better. We were on the phone for an hour. Skiable snow is forecast for Saturday. What could be better?

    My first guesses would be Erhard or Tex. You “sound” like Tex. I’m glad you are here.

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  298. So you’re back to the race to the bottom around here? That’s your goal, right boys? Fortunately, all your progress at destroying this blog vaporizes every time Helen posts.

    More Helen!

    Proverbial pot calling kettle black. Nobody that posts at that thing at Clatter Kitchen has any grounds to scold somebody for bad behavior, harsh statements, or personal mocking. Good grief.

    The hypocrisy and double standards these ninnies hold are mind numbing.

    To rephrase, “If you can’t stand the heat, head back to the Clatter Kitchen” where you can partake with parrot crew, bleat with the black sheep, and laugh at boring stories and bad jokes.

    I like James’ stories. I find it interesting to read about other people, and occasionally you learn something in the process.

    James, glad to see you’re still doing well.

    Guess who? :wink:

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  299. Hear! Hear!

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  300. Point of amazement. If you live long enough . . . you know the rest. Have always felt that the theory the coupon-clipping rich create jobs was a myth. I pegged it all at mid-level work ethic. Finally, today over on Daily Kos, someone who has said it all; i.e., no matter how good your business plan, your product or anything else, if your product is priced out of the reach of the majority of buyers, you fold and the jobs cease to exist. A tankard of OJ is hereby lifted to the middle class, shrinking and battered as it is.

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  301. delurkergurl, I took it personally because my wife and I lived it when our friend survived a dangerous year. Some of the ex husband’s friends came for us because they knew we were helping her. They committed vandalism and twice followed my wife home from work when she was at school after 10PM. One time, a patrol car followed her home to be sure she was all right.

    When in the service, I survived some hard times which made me a slightly disabled veteran. I was also a coward for a couple of days, so I know how it feels. Then, I saw it though to the end. I remember the girl and her father who burned to death in a truck, and I still compare any of my challenges to how they died.

    Compared to them a few mean words on a small internet forum is a walk in the park. I take many things personally because they trigger past memories, but I am as dogged and relentless as any man you will have the misfortune to meet. You either care enough to fight for what you had or you don’t. Complaining that someone forced you to give up is dishonest. You and you alone make the decision.

    I’m not including you with the group who has largely abandoned the forum. Like a trooper, you keep trying from time to time. I notice. I also remember you were one of only two people who offered to donate to our food pantry during the flood. You seem like a nice person, and I like you.

    My reacting to triggers is not your fault. Its just the way it is.

    I didn’t see anything gender specific.

    Did you read my Swedish quote to you at 7:30PM on November 30? It was not insulting.

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  302. I want reparations for Culloden. And Boadicea.

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  303. delurkergurl, you are a victim. I am sure you will feel you are entitled to something. Present your demands for reparations.

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  304. The truth. Maybe not the most eloquent presentation of the truth. But the truth just the same. Sometimes the truth is harsh, and ugly, and brutal. This is no exception.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/adam-carolla-breaks-down-occupy-movement-fking-self-entitled-monsters/

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  305. Pfessor, we were hiking near Mt Rainier. On the way down, a large back bear with two cubs stood on her hind legs to watch us. She was about a quarter mile away, and we had to walk toward the happy little family before the trail curved away. That was a long walk. I wish we had heard the lore about black bears not chasing people.

    Do the bears rely more on endurance or short bursts of speed to catch their prey?

    Its 30 degrees and cloudy with a north wind gusting to about 40 MPH. I’m glad we did so much outside work yesterday and the day before.

    In case you are interested, a young Hungarian band made a video with a $100.00 camera in two and a half days for a television contest. They started too late to finish on time, so they posted it on you tube. It is the Sara Helene Band “Give me Back.”

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  306. James, it was an analogy, obviously. You said I’m the problem because I go away when it gets toxic here and I should just make nice because I’m letting the trolls win. Been there, tried that, possibly harder than anyone here! You blamed the people who get fed up and leave, just as some would blame the wife who left her husband even after trying probably harder than any sane person should.

    Its seems clear to me, but I guess maybe only to me. I’m not sure why you took it so personally.

    As for the gender thing, perhaps I am making an assumption that the people who have come out and said (in word or deed) “you hit me, I’ll hit you back, probably harder” are all males. Noah – male? I Report – male? UAW – male? James – male? As for the other anons who toxify the place, I can’t really say. They could all be the same person for all I know. However, they aren’t the CHRONIC crap flingers that I was clearly referring to. This thread was quite civil and fun, despite some reasonable disagreement, until that specific behavior started up again. You want to blame me for walking away when it gets nasty here? How about blaming the people who say they’ll keep hitting back rather than making any effort to be the better person?

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  307. Not trying to spam just a lot going on. Engineering firm receives $2 Billion in stimulus money then lays off thousands of workers. WTH?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-engineering-firm-ch2m-hill-cut-thousands-of-jobs-after-receiving-2-billion-in-stimulus/

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  308. Something is rotten in Denmark. Or in this case….the Federal Reserve. $88 Billion just move about without cause or reason.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/how-does-the-fed-explain-this-88-billion-shift/

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  309. James –

    My nephew and I were riding our ATVs several years ago when we surprised a black bear on an old strip mine road. When she took off we decided to follow her. Pretty soon we were going over twenty miles an hour. She was in top shape for the oncoming winter – fat and sleek. I was amazed by how fast that old girl could run! She finally got tired of the chase and bounded over the hill and through the brush.

    Local lore has it that you can get away from a bear if you run uphill. I’ve never seen or heard of a blackie chasing a person, though.

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  310. Thanks alaskpi. I hope we get the snow too, with a lot of moisture to mitigate our developing drought.

    I’ll bet you do get some localized weather effects from the mountains and ice fields.I checked Alaska weather. St. Paul has a southwest wind of 41 to 52 MPH and a barometer reading 2916. It must be hard to stand up in the open.

    Nome is -12. Some of the worst of that November storm hit their area. I hope they cleaned the damage before it got cold.

    I’ve been close to bears in Kentucky, Yellowstone, and Glacier National Park as well as in the Pacific Northwest. One thing that got my attention was they could move very fast when they wanted to.

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  311. Is JuneauJoe agreeing with the Tea Party!!!!!!!!

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  312. The Wall Street Secret Government: Secret Trillion Dollar Loans at almost 0 percent interest rate. Corporate Welfare at its finest.

    http://www.alternet.org/economy/153274/6_shocking_revelations_about_wall_street's_%22secret_government%22/

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  313. PFesser-
    The Alaska brown is a grizzly and the Kodiak is a cousin to it. We have browns and blacks here.
    My pop worked on a bear/fish study on Kodiak in the late 40s , way before the days of sedative dart guns and radio collars we have now.
    He was a champion archer and was the guy chosen to mark the bears with dye, in ampoules on arrows. He was a small man and his recurve was only a 50# so he had to get within 25 yards of all those bruins to mark them. Some of his stories still make me frightened but he did ok and the guy who followed him with the big gun never had to destroy a bear to save dad .
    Yup, flying here is different :-) and our weather is wacko.

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  314. Yup, milder temps in the days ahead for us here for a bit.
    We’re smack up against mtns with icefields just east of us , James. The meteorologist folks say that affects our specific weather almost as much as the big patterns do. Had 60mph gusts overnight, now dropping into 30mph range, which brought heavy rain and wet, wet snow in.
    I hope you get your snow- it makes the long dark bright and cheery :-)
    Living with bears gets wearing sometimes, that’s for sure. Living right on the edge of the forest and in the middle of their trails to town in search of dumpster pickings makes for many more “encounters” than I like at times.

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  315. alaskapi –

    Jesus. The weather you folks have! I’d love to come up there and learn how to fly in REAL weather. Makes me kind of ashamed of myself; when it gets a little bit iffy here, I stay on the ground.

    Bears. Did someone tell me that the Kodiak and Grizzly were actually the same bear? Is that right? There was one they called the “Alaskan Brown Bear??” too. Which is which?

    I watched an archer take an Alaskan bear with a recurve bow back years ago on TV. His name, oddly enough, was Fred Bear. He had a backup guy with a rifle. They are not to be trifled with I am told.

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  316. I read the upper vortex giving Alaska such cold weather is shifting to Siberia. That may give you milder, south westerlies with storms as the movement causes a west coast high pressure ridge to build on the west coast and finally send some cold air toward us. At last, we may have a snow storm on Saturday.

    Thank heavens we have no bears.

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  317. Mageen, my mother had a tetnus reaction when we visited North Carolina. She had hives and began to swell. A service station attendant told us what it was. He knew because a similar reaction had nearly killed him.

    I escaped mumps because our family may have an immunity to it. Our doctor thought I had a mild case of polio, but there was no muscular degeneration. All I know is I was very sick for eight weeks and was so slow to recover that I missed my first six weeks of kindergarten.

    When we were in France, we had a chance to eat horse meat, but we didn’t do it.

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  318. PFesser-
    It’s not worth arguing that you got a primarily gender thingy out of the remark and I didn’t- might be our genders :-)
    It does stand though that the gratuitous insult routine comes from all sides and is not a gender dealie in essence.

    We have had 4 feet of snow in last 2 weeks but are currently in the middle of a storm with high winds and buckets of rain. Avalanche danger is rising because of the rain- by the hour.
    Daylight for us is well under 7 hrs and dropping by about 3 mins a day still.
    Bears have bedded down for winter here, though still active in some other places, and that makes a big difference in having to be out and about in the long dark. The getting ready to get out of my truck and realizing mama bear is on the driver’s side whuffing at twins coming along on the passenger side and sitting still trying not to pee the seat until they move on is over for the year :-)

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  319. I didn’t want to touch this, but…

    Since you brought it up, Pfessor, I will share my experience. We have a friend whos’ husband tried to kill her four or five years ago. My wife and I gave her financial and psychological help. Everyone sees her as an accomplished woman with a responsible job and a good mother, but when the flashbacks come, she cries on our shoulders until we help her pull herself together.

    The woman or man who leaves an abusive spouse is not the one who wrecked the family. The abusive spouse destroyed the family. Sometimes a spouse makes false accusations to gain financial or other advantage. I’ve watched that happen too. But if there is abuse, the fault lies with the abuser and no one else.

    My experiences make me take delurkergurl’s accusations seriously.

    Delurkergurl, I hope unintentionally, did something bordering on evil. Her emotionally charged comparison portrayed us as abusers and her group as the abused spouse. Her maleoviolant imagery has no connection to what has happened here.

    A group of liberals had a good thing . People were congenial and regarded some as friends. Outsides were scorned until they left.Then, another group appeared, and most of the original people fled like whites from the new black neighbor. They rationalized their flight by complaining that the newcomers had ruined the neighborhood. They stayed away while muttering about the tragedy of what had been stolen from them. They chose to leave and blamed the interlopers for their personal decisions.

    This is only a blog-forum. There is no danger. “Running away at the least little difficulty” is cowardice. “You’re entitled to your opinions guys?” Yes we do and we have as much right to post here as you have.

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  320. Pfessor – I recall my late mother-in-law (bless her!) telling me about one of her kids getting a tetanus shot. He turned out to be allergic to the serum which at that time was alleged to come from horses. The reaction damn near killed him. Its amazing to me how many people have never heard of this or forgotten it, just like a lot of folks have never heard of, experienced or forgotten the results of measles, mumps, pertussis and polio epidemics.

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  321. Mageen –

    I’m mostly familiar with horse serum in the treatment of snakebite. When I was a kid, I used to hunt and motorcycle ride the mountains of West Virginia practically every day; that area is filled with timber rattlesnakes and snakebite is a constant concern.

    They developed snake antivenin by injecting horses with larger and larger doses of snake venom and then processing their blood. If you let the blood clot, the liquid left behind is serum, which was used to treat snakebite. Unfortunately a large number of people were allergic to the horse serum itself.

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  322. alaskapi –

    Yes, I know that’s not a fair comparison – but of course neither was hers. The problem here has nothing to do with someone beating the hell our of his wife – a typical red herring fallacy – it’s a question of trying to maintain a nice place to visit, which is harder and harder to do here. That’s why I disappear for more than a month sometimes; it’s just too unpleasant when the dueling links come out.

    She was also was disingenuous in trying to frame this as a gender issue, to wit:

    “Yeahright. And the woman who leaves an abusive husband is the one who wrecked the family. You’re entitled to your opinions, guys.”

    The innuendo is pretty clear, I think, from end to end.

    It’s not a boy/girl issue. It’s an issue of courtesy or lack of same, and neither gender – especially here – has a monopoly on either.

    *******************

    Enough of that nonsense. Onward. Do you have any snow yet? How much daylight are you getting each day?

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  323. Regarding horsemeat . . . this is a source of an awful lot of allergens for a large number of people. Be darned careful about ingesting this. I’ve ridden horses since a very, very early age and love them all dearly. I also know that this horse slaughter thing is a result of the economy. Many horses are starving as they are left to fend for themselves when let loose by owners who can no longer afford to care for them in any way. But horse burgers??? Not for me. Also, remember a thing called horse serum and how it was used many years ago? Thats when a lot of people found out they were allergic to horse meat.

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  324. PFesser-Even if delurkergurl popped off hyperbolically, I’m guessing you know there’s a huge difference between an abusive spouse and a “little difficulty” .
    Having-it-up-to-here with fruitless squabbling is probably a better description for most of us who visit here fairly often- including you and me.
    UAW- sometimes I really do want to pinch your face off so I’m going to change the subject…

    Major fallout from that storm north of me earlier this month:

    “Sitnasuak arranged in May with petroleum distributor Delta Western Inc. to have three barges deliver fuel to Nome, but only one arrived early in the summer, Evans said. That barge carried home heating fuel.
    The storm that barreled into Alaska’s western coastline in mid-November, zeroing in on Nome, prevented the arrival of a barge carrying 1.6-million gallons of gasoline and diesel. ”

    Read more: http://www.adn.com/2011/11/30/2195586/native-corporation-may-fly-fuel.html#ixzz1fFQm7jjK

    Depending on multiple thingsand if the bulk of gasoline has to be flown in Nome could be looking at $9/gallon gasoline this winter.

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  325. Delurker opined: “Yeahright. And the woman who leaves an abusive husband is the one who wrecked the family. You’re entitled to your opinions, guys.”

    No, the woman (or man) who leaves her FAMILY is the one who wrecked the family. Running away at the first little difficulty is not an admirable quality.

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  326. That was one hilarious Thanksgiving note; deceptively lighthearted, but a lot of wisdom hidden in it. Thanks Helen for lifting our spirits. Losing one’s life’s partner is a terrible thing, but thanks for showing us how to take it. Keep up your feisty courage, we draw from it plenty. Have a good holiday season.

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  327. I feel that I’m dumping in an already dirty sandbox…….When Helen posts she dumps the first load in it(slams republicans)…..I just dump one next to it ……. If JeneauJo takes a dump then I’ll shit next to his also……
    Raj….I didn’t post about horse slaughter to protest it, I was wondering if anyone tried it and had a good recipe……I’ve had deer,caribou,elk,wildturkey,pheasant,duck,goose,rabbit,squirrel,bear,raccoon,muskrat and beaver……never had horse……it’s supposed to be preferred in France and Belgium bringing up to $20 a pound……

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat

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  328. So good to see a new post. Best Thanksgiving letter yet! Helen, you are always spot on. I envy your wit, but I am also very grateful for it. Thanks.

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  329. Thanks for the link. That could turn so badly…

    Ragi, “who in the world wants to play in a dirty sandbox?” Nobody, but sometimes you have to to clean up the mess.

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  330. I agree. They have cards they aren’t showing us. I called my senators, but I don’t expect much from them.

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  331. Forgot to add the link… sorry

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/959-jack-kenny/9993-us-senate-votes-for-indefinite-unconstitutional-detention

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  332. What is even more concerning is that troll Dick Cheney was in on “secret meetings” to finalize the bill. You know there is something stinky in Denmark when Rand Paul, “The New American” and the ACLU are on the same page.

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  333. delurkergurl, a woman who leaves an abusive husband is a nonsequiter here. It has nothing to do with this discussion. This does.

    “Jeg har fumlet rundt i morket men jeg har funnet veineut og hjeg skal aldn tilbake dit igjen. “

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  334. UAW thanks for posting that link about horse slaughter. As much as I am an equine lover, I have been devastated at the abuse of unwanted equines in this economy. Starving abandoned horses on the roadside because owners cannot feed them or afford to euthanize them and just turn them loose to fend for themselves. I abhor the idea of inhumane treatment of slaughter houses but I also abhor the inhumane treatment of an animal left to suffer on it’s own.

    As far as the rest of the comments, the cats are shitting in the sandbox again and who in the world wants to play in a dirty sandbox.

    Attacks on your politics, your choice of music or food, no problem but as PF said pissing contests just make everyone want to leave.

    Once again Happy Holidays and peace and happiness to all

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  335. Thank you Pfessor and anon..

    That little exchange made me uncharacteristically mad for as long as it took to write.

    In an episode of “Two and a Half Men”, Charlie Sheen turned over a new leaf and lived normally. Life turned against him at the end of the show, of course. He looked up to Heaven and said “but I was good..I was good.”

    That’s how I felt.

    My musical interests have expanded to Scandinavia and central Europe while searching for the Scandinavian part of my family’s heritage.

    Uawtradesman, do you know if any of the proposed slaughtered horses are wild? Sometimes they are held at auction about 70 miles northwest of us. Wild horses have multiplied and outgrown their habitat. Agents thin the heard and put them up for adoption to the highest bidder. A few years ago, someone said the supply of horses was out running the supply of customers.

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  336. Yeahright. And the woman who leaves an abusive husband is the one who wrecked the family. You’re entitled to your opinions, guys.

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  337. I wish Helen would post once a week……..
    Kind of like the Sunday Funnies…..

    So what else is new????? Filly steak sandwiches!!!!

    Obama, Congress restore U.S. horse-slaughter industry

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/30/obama-congress-restore-us-horse-slaughter-industry/#disqus_thread

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  338. I want to try to stay out of the fussing, but James has a point. I hadn’t thought about it that way, but he’s right – it’s the people who disappear who are leaving M&H a wasteland. The annoying posters will always be here, stirring the s*it, but when there is nobody else posting, it looks to the rest of the world that there is nothing else going on here.

    When there is no interesting conversation, “anon” and a couple of others get into a pissing contest and just throw links back and forth. That’s when I leave. I think James is right – it would be so easy to converse on music (my favorite), recipes, even a little politics for the braver of us, and the link-diarrhea artists would be drowned in the background. It’s clear that the blog owner has no interest in putting forth the effort to moderate and sans that, without regular people posting, I don’t think it’s worth anyone else’s effort to stay here.

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  339. We all already know delurkergurl is better than anyone else. All you have to do is see how she looks at us down the end of her nose and passes judgement on anyone who displeases her. The fact she chose to attack everyone but the one doing the insulting says everything we need to know about this person.

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  340. Say What!?

    I don’t like personal attacks, especially when I did nothing to deserve them. Attack my views. They are fair game. Attack me personally, I will respond in kind. As you will recall, I defended you and a few others when Tex called you a fool. You know how I am. Be nice to me, and I will be nice to you.

    “you” are destroying this blog with your absence. Few posters creates a vacume which others will fill. If you don’t like the dueling of Juneau Joe or the other anon, converse around them. You can share recipes or anything else with any amount of “noise” around you.

    Remember, a few days ago I suggested we avoid politics to keep the friendly mood. Then, most vanished.

    So don’t tell me we want to race to the bottom.

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  341. So you’re back to the race to the bottom around here? That’s your goal, right boys? Fortunately, all your progress at destroying this blog vaporizes every time Helen posts.

    More Helen!

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  342. Just to refresh your short term memory, I have never attacked you first.

    Anon, you have made “sweeping and unwarranted assumptions” with personal attacks about me and others since you started writing here. Turn about is fair play.

    Your apparent obscession with me especially, is abnormal. Gender has nothing to do with my earlier assumption. It still stands because it amuses me–“you naughty girl.”

    How do we know you are a conservative? Because you say so? Your soul seems to be pruerility personified.

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  343. An insecure bigot. I am happy you are being taken care of by your sugar-daddy, though I am unsure why you felt the need to tell us about your financial situation except for the aforementioned insecurity.

    I will say I know who this person is now thought I cannot bring up the name. I remember a few threads back this wanna-be whining about how she was a conservative but that took issue with how every conservative presented themselves on here. I recall most everyone coming to the conclusion it was a ruse put on by just another Liberal wacko. Either way please feel free to come on and continue to bash as your monthly cycle dictates.

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  344. Again, the “gentleman” farmer and his Michigan anonymous sidekick have made sweeping and unwarranted assumptions. I am in fact a happily married woman to a highly successful husband. You are accurate about only one thing. We will never meet in person because we do not travel in circles with the likes of you.

    With your track records here, you puerile clowns give us decent conservatives a bad name. Your types are driving many conservatives and independents too, right into the arms of the liberal causes. adjö.

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  345. JuneauJoe….
    keep posting the comics…….
    really enjoyed the comments from the special needs people on Theimmoralminority….

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  346. LMAO….

    http://rackjite.com/archives/8678-Unemployment-due-to-30%25-of-Americans-with-Face-Tattoos,-Onion-video.html

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  347. Great commentary about kids getting their pictures taken with guns and Santa. It then goes on to discuss the push to roll back gun laws by Republicans.

    http://rackjite.com/archives/8674-In-Arizona-children-pose-with-Santa-and-machine-guns,-Al-Sharpton.html

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  348. And here I hoped I Repost reformed his ways and was going to let this threat remain pure from his post spam.

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  349. Helen, Imagine: It is the holiday season with Santa Claus.
    So, in Arizona, kids can get their picture with Santa Claus while the child is holding a real AK-47. It is just not right. http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/nothing-says-christmas-like-children.html

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/11/nothing-says-christmas-like-children.html

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  350. The case against War in Iran. We are just getting out of the mess in Iraq,
    No to an Iran War.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/iranus-sabre-rattling/george-galloway-vs-war-mongering-parrot.html

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  351. Dear Helen — so very thrilled to see your Thanksgiving post! So glad you’re doing well and know you were very much missed in the interim. Blessings to you and your family and Margaret as well … hope to hear more from you soon. There are so few words of wisdom and common sense left these days; thanks so much for sharing yours with us all.

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  352. I agree, this sounds risky with the wrong people in government.

    I called my Senators today and tomorrow, I’m calling our representative.

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  353. Sure don’t like that at all. I hope the House defeats it but I’m less optimistic of a House defeat than I was in the Senate.:(

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  354. gives the military custody of al Qaeda suspects even if they are American citizens, rather than turning them over to law enforcement officials.

    That’s kind of scary. Who decides if they are al Qaeda? Do they carry membership cards? Since, according to Hillary Clinton, WE were the ones who created al Qaeda from the Mujaheddin, does that mean we’re basically making it up as we go along to keep this war on terror ongoing?

    It sure is making a lot of people rich and others poor and others dead…

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  355. The Senate voted 61 to 37 to preserve the language which gives the military custody of al Qaeda suspects even if they are American citizens, rather than turning them over to law enforcement officials.

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  356. Anon, 3:48PM you raise an interesting point.

    First, I am not tied to the computer. I live on a farm, and if I cut brush or do other chores, it is a short walk to and from the house.

    I have valued a quick response since my Air Force days. It has nothing to do with my temper. Anon is always the attacker, so there is something about me he obsecesses over. Since we will never meet, there is little emotional impact, at least from me. What does Anon 4:40PM get from it? He may be a child-like bigot throwing a tantrum. He may fight his social impotence with insults to unknown people. Or?

    Is anon 2:40PM a masochist who feels a certain frission when I insult him? Do my insults play through his head so that he can later rise to the occasion? He made a sexual allusion. Maybe this is his idea of cyber sex. Weird little man…

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  357. I have to say Anon 2:40 seems to have a major hard on for James. I wonder if he is brave enough to say why, honestly? I doubt it. Just more Liberal pettiness.

    Being from Michigan you can bet I am paying a visit in person to Carl Levin. Doubt I will get to see him but I hope driving for 2 hours just to see him makes an impression.

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  358. Tsk, tsk, the clumsy bumpkin wasted no time yesterday, almost within the hour, to pounce in rapid response with such crudity to his perception of criticism. That is not the kind of unschooled language of good manners used in the company of polite society. Predictably, since he is chained to his computer day and night, it is not possible for him to allow any comment, whatsoever, to go unanswered. As usual he typically rose to take the bait. That is always a sure indication of a short fuse, if you know what I mean. As the kids say in their texting, LOL!

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  359. Aloha Helen! So glad to hear from you and know that you are still kicking butt!
    A belated Happy Thanksgiving!

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  360. What about your other Senator? If things get that bad, I have my eye on Brandon, Manitoba.

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  361. Senator Harkin’s office is empty. Senator Grassely’s rep told me they will send me a letter describing the provisions I asked about. Its on the floor with debate over an amendment.

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  362. James –

    I rarely get exercised enough to write my senator, but this thing alarms me so much that I wrote to both. We are fortunate to have Senator Jim Webb representing us here in Virginia, although sadly he is retiring. I guess you can ride even a good horse to death and he’s had enough. Here is a copy of my letter to Senator Webb:

    Dear Senator Webb:

    re: S. 1867 Sir: Every time I write to one of my Senators or Congressmen, the first words that occur to me are, “What the hell is going ON up there?” and this time is no different. Everything I have read about this bill tells me it is one of the scariest, most un-American pieces of work to ever come out of Washington – and that, sir, is saying something. I hear people defending it by saying it doesn’t apply to American citizens. Well, firstly it does, and secondly, it wouldn’t matter if it did or not – that is not how honorable peoples conduct themselves. I strongly urge you to do everything in your power to derail this abortion.

    Thank you, sir, for your time – and your service to this great country.

    xxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxx, VA

    I don’t know if we are going to get control of this govt before they turn this whole country into a gulag or not. I sure hope so; I had hoped my kids would be able to live here and raise their families, but Australia is looking better all the time.

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  363. The world is a battlefield now. I understand that. I understand the need to act quickly to stop a domestic plot involving nuclear weapons, a dangerous virus, or anything else where hours or minutes count. I understand the temporary need for at least parts of the Patriot Act.

    This bill, I don’t understand. Why do we suddenly need the Army? To detain an American citizen indefinately is the stuff of Soviet Gulags. Saying the Army does not have to use its power until ordered to do so is also frightening.

    I need to call my Senators and learn the truth. My thought is we all should.

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  364. Delurkergurl:

    I think you may be wrong about the Senate bill. Here is what the ACLU itself says about it.

    http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being

    “UPDATE: Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.”

    “But you don’t have to believe us. Instead, read what one of the bill’s sponsors, Sen. Lindsey Graham said about it on the Senate floor: “1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.”

    Thoughts?

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  365. Thank you for writing again, Helen. I am so sorry to learn of the loss of your dear Harold. I doubt one ever recovers from the loss of a lifelong companion and I wish you strength. I agree, bacon grease makes anything, except maybe fresh, cold watermelon, taste good. Might be a new taste sensation even there.

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  366. Peace and love jacy. Why don’t you write again?

    I basically agree with Juneau Joe.

    We are culturally a Christian nation which is different from being a government- sanctioned Christian country.

    The Patriot Act which probably saved lives is also a danger to us all. It should be more than questioned until it outlives its usefulness. Then, it should be killed.

    Nancy Pelosi’s saying we needed to pass the Obamacare bill to learn what was in it applies to other legislation. Most of the bills are written by lawyers who use phrases subject to multiple interpretations. . Our late family lawyer said “the law is a wonderful thing. You can make it do anything you want it to do.”

    We are in a three-month drought after our flood. Less than an inch of rain or snow is boring.

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  367. PFesser- !!! Smart woman not to trust him again!
    My Thanksgiving had no family members this year for 1st time ever. People were scattered amongst their OTHER extended families away from here .
    Neighbors gathered for a potluck dinner including a new-to-Alaska, new bride who brought buttermilk pie. Wow!for buttermilk pie!
    Great harmonica UAW!
    delurkergurl is right about keeping an eye on the exact language being proposed for law- is always true. As worried and upset as I am about Frankenfish maybe being licensed by FDA it is not truly banning the fish to refuse to allow the FDA to use any money to finish the certification process but that is how it was reported in the the news. We gotta get smarter about tracking down what those yayhoos are actually proposing and deciding if any of it is good law and will do what it’s being tooted up to do- no matter what side of the fence we’re on.
    Shovelled a lot of snow through the holiday weekend which put me in mind of Calvin and Hobbes and the snowmen series
    We’ll be facing the New Year soon

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  368. Interesting:
    The original Constitution of the uS that was ratified in 1789 had only one reference to religion (Article 6) No Religious Test Shall Ever Be Required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

    In God We Trust – 1956
    Under God – in the pledge – 1954

    The fear of Communism brought about those changes. Now people talk Christian nation but it was never the intent of our founding fathers.

    The whole PATRIOT ACT, which allows US citizens to be wiretapped without any court approval should be questioned.

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  369. OMG So happy to read another post from you! Glad to hear your voice and feel your spirit again, it has been a while.But, considering all you have been through, let me say on behalf of those who love your wit and wisdom, you and the annual Thanksgiving Letter has made us very happy!!!

    Peace & love to all the regulars, love to read your coments and hope you are all well.

    Until the next post I think I’ll just eat pie! Really, I mean it.
    Love ya all!!!

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  370. Anon, you are like an explosive fart at a fancy dinner party.

    My blue eyes look through you and see an empty shell while the stench makes them water.

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  371. I was not aware that James’ Alter Ego Rev. Billy had put on a collar
    and continues to pursue his true calling as the town crier. Blue eyes and all.

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  372. well delurkergirl…..I don’t know about you but I can(and have) vote against Carl Levin…..and the ACLU helped point this out….not vote for it so we can find out what’s in it!!!!!!!!

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  373. glad you liked the harmonica…..

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  374. Impressive harmonica there, UAW. I’m gonna post that at Rutherford’s. The blog denizen will appreciate it. :wink:

    Regarding the military exercising powers domestically, it doesn’t surprise me. The Patriot Act is still being renewed, upgraded, and enforced. I don’t see the government willingly relinquishing any of the authority they have obtained over citizens during the past decade. At least not shy of a revolution… which is sort of happening…

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  375. Yes delurkergurl I saw mawmawangela post of that exact information on that web page. Actually looks like a copy and paste.

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  376. Hi Delurkergurl. You were more ambitious than I.

    Now, I have a new temporary drivers license. All is well.

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  377. Apparently it’s buried in a big piece of legislation that’s already being heavily revised. There is sufficient evidence that the real story is being spun to suit political agendas and we should wait for actual legislative wording instead of further spreading propaganda.

    Sacrificing civil liberties for imagined terror threats is so Bush-era. Can’t really imagine it passing the Senate today. They can’t even manage to pass the stuff we DO want.

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  378. Section 1031 – Page 362

    “APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.”

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  379. http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-intern-americans-without-trial/

    Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial

    This should scare us all.

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  380. Prof, I think the mood is cordial because the Thanksgiving post was heart warming and non-political. As the novelty wears off people should agree not to touch politics. We can exchange other ideas. Remember when Donna and I started a music discussion?

    I read that uawtradesman. It makes me so mad my inner Viking wants to build a long boat and invade Northhumbria. After I recruit a crew of Nordic wenches, I won’t care. But first, I have to drive 35 miles to buy a new drivers license. Mine is lost.

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  381. and something to think about……

    The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.),

    http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-intern-americans-without-trial/

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  382. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone….
    Just got back from KC and must suggest the Boulevard double wide……unless you don’t like beer…..
    Helen….I can only agree with 2 thins you said…….bacon and butter…..
    are Mary and Rhonda’s children(and pets) being prepped for OWS…..

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/18/hicks-some-belated-parental-advice-to-protesters/

    and a standing ovation…

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  383. Thank you for that wonderful story PFesser……….I can’t stop laughing!!I
    I really don’t comment much…….but I really read a lot.

    Thanks again!

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  384. alaskapi –

    Good to see you here! I don’t know what’s going on, but the conversation has certainly turned cordial, hasn’t it?! I like it.

    re: turkeys and holidays. My wife is descended from German Lutherans and the extended family – aunts, uncles, grandparents – have a communal party every Christmas in Wisconsin.

    Her uncle is a real joker, and about ten years ago his wife was hosting the party. He snuck out and bought a Cornish Game Hen at the local butcher shop and secreted it inside the turkey. When it was all baked, he began to carve the turkey, opened the body cavity and pulled out the Game Hen and, with a look of mock horror, shouted, “Oh God, this one was pregnant!”

    His wife, who had cooked the thing, passed out cold and struck her head on the table and had to be whisked away for stitches. I don’t think she ever forgave him. LOL

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  385. Helen and PFesser-
    I had first ever ( to me ) turkey baked with bacon slid under skin this year at holiday gathering on my street.
    Holy moley – wonderful!
    If I go to cholesterol heaven because of it I will go with a smile on my face
    I hope all had a special day with people they care about and good conversation and good food.

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  386. There is a long-standing rule in my wife’s kitchen, and I am NOT joking: there is nothing whose flavor is not improved by the addition of bacon.

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  387. Bacon strips, bacon strips, bacon strips…..

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  388. So sorry for your loss, Helen. Hope to see more posts from you with this being an election year.

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  389. Helen ~ Let me add my condolences to all the others that have been coming your way. And let me join with everyone else in saying how much we’ve missed you! The fun house that is the current Republican debate season hasn’t been the same without you. ;) Here’s hoping you’ll be feeling up to filling us in on your thoughts as the primary season comes! I hope Thanksgiving went well in spite of stained furniture and vinegarless deviled eggs. Love and health to you, always.

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  390. Good to hear from you.

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  391. YOur new post is very welcome. It was luck that I heard about the new post just today.
    We have missed you so much, and now with this new election coming up,look forward to seeng much more of your wit. We’re going to need it. Wiith all the lengthy troll postings I have not been around. Computer can’t handle all that lengthy stuff. (In view of the holidays adn peaceful thoughts, cleaned up my language today)
    Please come back often, we need you!
    P>S> I thought I was only one who used vinegar in deviled eggs!

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  392. It is always wonderful to see a new post. I check frequently to see if there is anything new. I love to hear about your life and views. Hope your Thanksgiving turned out just the way you ordered it. You remind me of the Harry Truman quote. “I didn’t give em hell. I just told them the truth and they think it’s hell.”

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  393. Dear Helen and Margaret,
    Though our holiday spirits are dampened when we are without those we love, I hope your Thanksgiving holiday was filled with the love and warmth of family and friends. I trust your family realizes what a marvelous treasure they have in you.

    Though I have been a long time reader, this is only the second time I have commented on your blog (I do not usually comment on any blog/website) but I want express my appreciation to you for making me smile, laugh, and generally making my day with your posts. I look forward to more of your posts.

    Best wishes,
    Tante

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  394. Happy Thanksgiving to you, Helen and Margaret, and to all the porch-dwellers!

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  395. I hope your Thanksgiving has been blessed with properly devilled eggs, good gravy, and the smallest possible number of references to Republicanism on record.

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  396. I still want to be like you when I grow up.
    Happy Holiday.

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  397. My wife is doing that in an hour or so.

    We shopped while we stayed in Omaha the last few days. Now, she will be buying things in the small town 16 miles away from us. Cities also have small shops too.

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  398. Hey everyone – it’s small business Saturday! Shop small. :)
    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    PLEDGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY®
    The 2nd annual Small Business Saturday® is a day dedicated to supporting small businesses on one of the busiest shopping weekends of the year.

    On November 26, we’re asking millions of people to Shop Smallsm at their favorite local stores and help fuel the economy. When we all shop small, it will be huge.

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  399. Happy Day After Thanksgiving, Helen! I hope your holiday was everything you wanted it to be. You’re right about the bacon. . .and the Republicans. You have been much missed.

    I hope you and Margaret have a wonderful Christmas.

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  400. Loved your annual letter as much as ever! Thank you for letting us share this bit of your life — it is a reflection on all our lives, our families, and our holidays. Americana at it’s best!

    Happy, Happy Holidays to you both, Margaret and Helen! :)

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  401. God Bless you Helen. May you and Margaret continue to enjoy health and longevity throughout this coming year. Your families are blessed to have you. Helen, so sorry that your Harold has passed.

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  402. Dear Miss Helen;

    I was afraid we had lost you, and now I read that you lost your Harold, instead. I am so very, very sorry for your loss. I am also very, very grateful to read one of your wonderful posts again, and to know you are still out there, somewhere, on the other end of the internet.

    You would be a lively and welcome addition to any turkey day table so I hope your family realizes what a gem they have in you. And takes your advice on the bacon. You can’t go wrong with bacon. :-)

    I am sending along best wishes for you and Miss Margaret. May all the best gifts be under your tree this Christmas, because you deserve them. I also am sending along a request for more frequent posts, as well. As you can see from the comments, you’ve been missed.

    Wishing you peace, love, and happiness from Florida,

    Lori

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  403. Aloha Helen,

    I am so glad and grateful to see your post. I am sorry to read about Harold’s passing earlier this year. Thank you for giving strength, courage, and humor to help so many of us go forward. I hope that you can gather the strength to continue writing your blogs. We are really going to need you in the coming year. Heck we need you now!

    Mahalo nui loa

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  404. i was so happy to see your post! i love your blog! and please let me offer my condolences on your loss.

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  405. I was pleasantly surprised this morning when I checked to see if you had a new post. Glad to hear from you again. Please don’t stay away so long again. Your wit is sorely needed in today’s trying times.

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  406. Mageen –

    I’m pretty excited about it myself. Let’s cross our fingers.

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  407. Helen,
    You rock my political world. And my Thanksgiving world. I hope it was a terrific day for you and that Trudy can use this opportunity to buy some new furntiture to replace the stuff damaged by the kids.

    Yes indeed to the bacon, even for those of us who must watch our cholesterol. Why would anyone want to live a longer life it is all bland? You have permission to splurge on Thanksgiving and my sunny broccoli salad (with loads of bacon) was a big hit. Yum.

    May you and Margaret have a winter surrounded by warmth and love.

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  408. I am so glad to read your blog. You always say the truth and make my day. Blessings to you.

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  409. Thank You!!!

    Hoping you and Margaret and everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving! And that you and Trudy are still on speaking terms today. We would enjoy hearing from you more often. We need a voice of sanity in our world of crazy.

    Peace.

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  410. Pfesser, dialed into the link and it blew my mind! If they have truly found the one thing in common with all cancers and can target that, its all over but the shouting! What husband is getting is an extremely toxic cocktail that is re-jiggered each month. Lombardi CC is a very optimistic place based on their success rate. We have our digits crossed!

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  411. Helen,

    You’ve been missed. I hope that you had a lovely holiday even though I’m sure that it was tough without Harold.

    Looking forward to a lot more of your wit and wisdom in the coming year.

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  412. Happy Thaksgiving! So glad to see your post. I was hoping the annual letter would show up on the blog. As always, you’re missed when you’re busy with your own life and don’t write for a while, but we understand. It is always a joy to hear your words of wisdom and spirit.

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  413. Thanks for the post, sorry for your loss, glad to know you are still filled with the vinegar of which you speak. Like it or not, we out here in the ethernet consider you part of our extended family, hope that’s OK but too bad if not, heh heh heh. Hang tough, Grandma… we loves ya like kuh-razy!!!!!

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  414. So glad to see you’re post today!

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  415. I let out a squeak of joy when I saw your post was up. I’m thankful for people like you (and your liberal use of butter and bacon). Keep up the good fight.

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  416. Our nephew is a human resources manager at a Target store, so he and his girlfriend couldn’t stay long at the Thanksgiving celebration at our daughter and son-in law’s.

    Judging from the pictures our daughter’s friends sent before midnight, Black Friday should be a success. The whole family left in the early morning, but I went to bed. I have everything I need except to get home and see our dog.

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  417. It’s so much fun to read Helen’s Thanksgiving letter which says all the things we probably wish we said :-)

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. May the holidays bring you and yours peace and happiness.

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  418. […] is the annual Helen Philpot Thanksgiving letter. Her grandson did a good job this year. Dear Family, We lost your Grandpa this […]

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  419. Mageen –

    I just saw an article on a cancer vaccine the Israelis are developing. You hate to get your hopes up, but the report says they are in clinical trials and believe that it may completely stop or reverse >90% of ALL cancers. Let me see if I can find it:

    Here you go.

    http://unitedwithisrael.org/israel-develops-cancer-vaccine/

    The Website is very political, but I’ve seen this article several other places. I am told that Israel has the best cancer treatment facilities on the planet.

    Best of luck to you and your husband.

    Doc Jim

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  420. Delurkergirl, thank you. Husband is now experiencing some of the most visible side effects of the chemo which I think means that the juice is working! During the previous program the side effects were pretty much limited to swollen ankles and feet (similar to pregnancy) and an inability handle cold stuff for about 24 hours after infusion. This time around it is a bit more dramatic. Will save specifics since most of us still have to eat up the leftovers from yesterday.

    We rarely ever have bacon inasmuch as the stuff now seems to come from solid gold pigs, but yes, it is a great taste! As for butter, solid gold cows seem to be involved which means that we get that taste about once a year, during the holidays and boy is it great atop home-made buttermilk pancakes!

    Best of all is pie. Yes, pie! Must have pie.

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  421. Helen, it’s so wonderful to hear from you again. Thank you for keeping up your traditional Thanksgiving letter to the family, and occupying any kitchen you choose to. Although I have learned to generally eat healthy foods, I also think bacon is pretty much the Secret to Everything. But to my horror, your post tells me I’ve been eating the wrong eggs for 60 years — please tell me how you incorporate vinegar into deviled eggs; how much, what type, etc. Looks like I’ll have to make a new batch for the Leftover gang coming tonight.
    I usually stop reading the comments when the porch becomes infested with vermin, so for now it’s great to see some of the old, friendly crowd sharing Thanksgiving and Welcome Back thoughts.
    Bless you Helen, I’m grateful for your wit and wisdom.

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  422. So good to see your post. Hope you managed to keep your family under control. :-)

    Anyway, a new post from you is the perfect end to a delightful Thanksgiving Day here in Hawaii. (It’s 11:10PM as I’m typing so it’s still Thanksgiving.) As others have mentioned, I hope you’ll find time during the next few months to talk us through the election season. Don’t think I could make it without you.

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  423. Welcome back, Margaret – Happy Thanksgiving to you & your family. Hope you got enough bacon (as if one can EVER get enough bacon….)

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  424. For all you Black Friday addicts,

    Help is available…

    http://www.revbilly.com/chatter/blog/2011/21/a-buy-nothing-day-gift-what-would-jesus-buy

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  425. Dear Helen and Margaret too,

    I am so pleased that you are back with your delightful annual Thanksgiving letter to your family.

    All of your old and new friends have missed you sorely. We hope you are able to post again soon.

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

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  426. Happy Holidays Ladies.

    May you have many more.

    We have missed your sharp wit, snappy repartee, and honest observations.

    May we have many more..

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  427. So good to hear a bit of your ranting again…..you are my idol and my hero.
    Please write again soon and have a good year.

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  428. Welcome home Margaret and Helen. So sorry for your pain in losing your precious Harold. So glad you’re back and in perfect form as usual! Good to see all my “friends” here.

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  429. Great to hear from you. Please stay in touch over the next 12 months of electioneering – it may not be bearable without your helping us laugh.

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  430. Helen

    Great to see you back in form. And its nice to see so many old names and avatars that have been missing for so long.
    You’ve made it a homecoming Thanksgiving.
    Thank you.

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  431. I so wish I could rent you out for our next family get together. I would clue you in ahead of time and tell you all about everyone and you could just let loose at em. It would be great. Anyway, great to hear from you again.

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  432. Happy Thanksgiving, Helen (and Margaret, too). It’s wonderful to hear from you and I wish you all the best.

    Don’t let the turkeys, or anybody else, get you down.

    May Michele Bachman get a halal turkey where it will do her the most good.

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  433. Happy Thanksgiving, and what a delight to have a new letter from you for dessert! It’s one of the things for which I am suddenly most thankful.

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  434. Thanks for making all our Thanksgivings complete for another year.
    Like everyone, I’ve missed your views on what’s occupying the news.
    I’m so glad you’re well, really!

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  435. Happy Thanksgiving Margaret and Helen!
    We have missed you!

    Hi Oprah!

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  436. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you you for posting your letter. It has made the day complete.

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  437. “Bless her heart”. Oh, Southern ladies, you rule on every possible level.

    And so, so lovely to have you back.

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  438. Yes to bacon grease and more butter. If you don’t use vinegar, it’s not a deviled egg.

    Love from your fans in Canada.

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  439. A new posting from Helen–now Thanksgiving is complete.

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  440. escusemoi for the doubled post…no idea how happened but the sentiments and do indeed wish ALL a Happy Thanksgiving…

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  441. Wow – pleased to meet you, Oprah. :D

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  442. AH…relief..Indescribably relief for indeed wondered ….Happy,HAPPY Thanksgiving to you and yours and to the amiable friends on the blog.Especially the first round of holidays without a loved is difficult but embrace the memories with love and be ever so grateful you do have them(there are those without even a morsel close to what you have in that regard) Do indeed wish that your postings were more frequent but ever grateful for what you share with us here abouts !! Winding up the year,can’t claim want a repeat of it for sure….even thinking perhaps it would be best IF the Mayans calculated correctly for it sure seems too many are quite hellbent on putting much asunder with no consideration of the full consequences that ALL will be burdoned with.

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  443. AH…relief..Indescribably relief for indeed wondered ….Happy,HAPPY Thanksgiving to you and yours and to the amiable friends on the blog.Especially the first round of holidays without a loved is difficult but embrace the memories with love and be ever so grateful you do have them(there are those without even a morsel close to what you have in that regard) Do indeed wish that your postings were more frequent but ever grateful for what you share with us here abouts !! Winding up the year,can’t claim want a repeat of it for sure….even thinking perhaps it would be best IF the Mayans calculated correctly for it sure seems too many are quite hellbent on putting much asunder with no consideration of the full consequences that ALL will be burdoned with.
    boz54

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  444. I am so happy to see so many old friends checking in here today!

    Mageen, I’m so glad you checked in. Been thinking about you a lot.

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  445. Happy Thanksgiving Ladies! So enjoy your blog…have for years now.
    Gayle told me all about it during the elections. You two are very funny…and smart. Keep up the good work!

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  446. You are a wise woman, both about food and about politics.

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  447. This reminds me… there’s a damn good reason Ann Coulter’s “god” made her as barren as Uncle Buck’s back yard BBQ ash collector. I think I’ll send her a note to remind her of that.

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  448. Happy Thanksgiving Helen and everyone!
    Yes, bacon makes it ALL better :-)

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  449. Oh Thank God! I was so worried that something had happened to you as well. Welcome back M&H. I hope you are well, happy and as fiesty as ever.
    Have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
    Please keep posting Helen, we miss you so much when you are gone.

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  450. Thanks Helen! Really happy you have posted. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours! I am sure Trudy won’t mind letting you be in charge of the kitchen. I wish somebody were in charge of mine if truth be told. Enjoy this day with family all!

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  451. glad to hear from you!
    hope your tahnksgiving is a happy one!
    so glad a stopped by, you know just how to say what i’m thinking.

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  452. The previous entry by anonymous on 11-24-11 @ 1:26PM is not by anonymous it is by Crafty Lady in Illinois. Don’t know what happened or why it came up anonymous.

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  453. Thankful for . . . husband still here and on a better chemo treatment plan; son has had 3 job interviews and is in the process of possibly nailing the third one which he will know about in four weeks (Christmas?); the health of daughter and her family; my ability to keep putting one foot in front of the other no matter what, and Margaret and Helen. I honestly don’t know where I would be without any of you.

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  454. So glad to hear from you Helen……hope Margaret is well too. It’s been way too long since we heard from you. Please write more! Maybe the grumpy old trolls will leave this blog and be grumpy somewhere else.
    Hope you have a good Thanksgiving Day.

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  455. Oh, bless you, Helen. I still want to be you when I grow up.

    My daughter is cooking today. She’s going to send the mac & cheese (fancy, but she does have a 5-year-old) over for me to bake at some point, and has promised to yell if she needs other help. That’s literally yell – we live across a small parking lot from each other.

    I do Christmas unless we go to the family gathering, which won’t happen this year since she’ll be within a couple of weeks of her due date by then.

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  456. Today, I am thankful to see a post from Helen. May both of you live forever and keep bringing sanity into a world full of idiots.

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  457. Thanks for writing. I’m very sorry about Harold. God bless you and yours. Happy Thanksgiving!

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  458. Oh happy day! I am very grateful this Thanksgiving to read another of your wonderful letters to the family.

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  459. there isn’t enough Xanax in the world to get through these holidays
    :grump:
    very glad to have a post from you! And very sorry for your loss.

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  460. Dang, I’m not family but sure feel at home with you in charge!

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  461. Great letter!!! Thank You!!

    Have a great Thanksgiving.

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  462. How much fun is it to read your Thanksgiving Day blog? The highlight of my blog reading day! Blessings to you and yours today. I’m one of your fans who wishes you’d write more often. I can wish, can’t I? Love you both!

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  463. I so love it when you post .. you always say what I am thinking but oh so much better!!! God bless you. I mean it. Really.

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  464. Helen,

    I’m so sorry you lost Harold, and your comment about learning to spend as much time as possible with older family members struck a cord. I only thank god because I did learn that lesson a few few years before my dad died in 09, at the age of 84. Once gone, it can’t be taken back. Only the memories and the love survive.

    You go girl, and make sure to add those extra sticks of butter and bacon grease. Unfortunately I can’t be with my family this year. I had a major heart attack and stents put in a couple months ago. So it’s hard to make a 2 hour drive each way to see them. But they were all called and e-mailed yesterday telling them I will be there in spirit..

    I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving and god bless.

    Jim

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  465. Happy Thanksgiving, M and H!!

    I am Thankful you are still here. Too long between posts, but I’ll take what I can get!

    Have a great day everyone!

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  466. Happy T day!!!!!! WE LOVE YOU!!!!!

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  467. Happy Thanksgiving Helen, Margaret and all the members of your families. Also to all those who have already written comments and those yet to come. It was just such a wonderful surprise finding your letter in my mailbox today. Just enjoy your day and take good care of yourselves so that you will be able to post more often now because after receiving so many posts previously, I miss you terribly.

    PFesser, I loved your reply to the rednecks because truer words were never spoken. It seems we’ve lost the America of my youth. Occupy yourselves today with family and friends!

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  468. Maybe Pfesser will have his wishes granted. Seems we have posts being deleted already.

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  469. Like delurkergurl, I thought this wasn’t over yet. I hope everyone has a happy Thanksgiving and appreciates what we have. We only have a limited number of days to celebrate, so lets make the most of them.

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  470. Thank you! It just wouldn’t be Thanksgiving without you. My son has threatened to make Lima Bean Jello today. Things could be worse! Love your wit. Sorry to hear about Harold’s passing.

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  471. Wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving!

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  472. I’m so happy to see you back Helen and Margaret. We have missed you. I also want to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving.

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  473. Happy Thanksgiving, Helen and Margaret, too. I hope it is a blessed time without too much off key singing. God Bless your families and friends. It’s good to see a new post! :grin:

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  474. Happy Thanksgiving from Kenya!

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  475. I knew you wouldn’t let us down, Helen. Happy Thanksgiving to you and Margaret and your families.

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  476. Happy Thanksgiving, Margaret and Helen. My best friend and I have been friends for 28 years and I hope that we make it to 60. And when we do, I pray that we are half as sharp and quick-witted as you ladies. Thank you for always being honest.

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  477. Very thankful to see a post up this morning! And sorry to hear you’ve lost Harold. Wishing you peace.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

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  478. Happy Thanksgiving Margaret and Helen! I hope that you and your families have wonderful holidays.

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  479. things to be thankful for today: a new M&H post and a good friend who made sure I knew about it…..

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  480. Heheheh, I can see you now, Helen, coming into Trudy’s kitchen like “a ship under full sails.” You’ll set ‘em straight! That’s a good thing about being the old pro at running these events. Plus, you’ve lived long enough to know hogwash when you hear it. Don’t let the whippersnappers get you down! [I’m referring to the person called Anonymous, being judgemental is that one’s defect, so it projects it’s defect onto others (I say “it” because it clearly lacks balls or a vagina “Those are tough!” says Betty White).]

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  481. Another thing to be thankful for…you write again. Sorry to hear Harold is gone. Glad to hear you will be with family and in control. Please write again before 2012!

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  482. lori –

    Nice to see you. Is that TX or TN?

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  483. Heyyy so good to hear you in typical fashion this Thanksgiving morning Helen! Thanks so much for taking time to provide your much needed wit and wisdom. Forever a fan!!!

    My youngest daughter received her acceptance letter to UT yesterday… Harold would be proud! Hook em horns!

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  484. Bless you M&H and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Your truth rings like a bell. Don’t ever stop!

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  485. I claim the scoop.

    Letter to M&H on Thanksgiving.

    When we were getting our heads bashed in during the Vietnam protests, we had to listen to the rednecks: America, love it or leave it.

    To which we replied: Change it or lose it

    To M&H: Get some effective moderation here or lose it.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you all.

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