Margaret, religion and politics are suffering from the same thing – Certainty.
Neither should have any and yet if you listen to the yahoos in the Tea Party you’ll quickly learn that they are full of certainty. Full of shit is more like it.
Religion is simply a matter of faith. Nothing more. You believe even without certainty. Therein lies the true beauty of religion.
And politics requires compromise. A politician acting with certainty is a politician representing a constituency of one. Once you have two or more, compromise must eventually come into play.
Michele Bachmann can keep on talking to God. Rick Perry can get down on his knees. Neither will make a difference because neither knows anything about faith or compromise. And they sure as hell don’t know a damn thing about the constitution.
Those fools can keep on mixing politics with religion. I’ll stick to mixing gin with tonic. Ten bucks says my way is better.
You get what you vote for. I mean it. Really.
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In what way Mae? You did your job as a Liberal and attacked the poster directly, making unneeded personal comments, now lets see something of substance.
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By: Anonymous on November 26, 2011
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By: Mae on November 26, 2011
at 1:19 AM
1 in every 6 dollars in Iraq just disappeared. Great job Rumsfeld and Bush lied us into a war and wasted Billions?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/reducing-waste-in-wartime-contracts/2011/08/26/gIQAyqQhlJ_story.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 3, 2011
at 10:16 PM
At least this Republican fool is honest! He just says that Poor People should not be allowed to vote.
Well, We’re Pretty Much Even Because I Don’t Think We Should Let Men With Goofy Goatees Vote
September 02, 2011
Ya know, in one way, it’s nice that they finally came out and admitted it. They are not concerned about voter fraud. They just don’t think poor people should get to vote. I’m kinda glad they’re fessing up.
In another way, it’s so damn creepy and unAmerican that it’s just a shiver looking for a spine to run up.
Conservative columnist Matthew Vadum is just going to come right out and say it: registering the poor to vote is un-American and “like handing out burglary tools to criminals.”
“It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country — which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote,” Vadum, the author of a book published by World Net Daily that attacks the now-defunct community organizing group ACORN, writes in a column for the American Thinker.
Get this: This dude works for something called the American Thinker. Does anybody know where I file the false advertising complaint?
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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 2, 2011
at 8:13 PM
The Wealthy Republican Presidential Candidates think nothing of taking tax payers money to fund their lavish life styles, while taking away from the middle class and poor.
http://www.alternet.org/story/152252/rich_lifestyles_of_the_gop%27s_starve-the-poor_presidential_candidates?akid=7505.294211.XxtX41&rd=1&t=8
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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 2, 2011
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Those who crashed the economy should pay to fix it! This really is a great idea!! Make Wall Street Pay to fix the mess they made!
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/660066/nurses%27_imaginative_tactics_breathe_life_into_progressives%3A_make_wall_street_pay_for_the_crisis_it_created/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 2, 2011
at 8:15 AM
The Fleecing of America by Wall Street and Washington DC Politicians – the real impact of the 9/11 attacks. Frank Rich
This is truly great!!
If you are a Right Winger – expect to be upset at this site. Please check this out but it puts blame where it belongs.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/frank-rich-takes-look-fleecing-america-ove
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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 6:20 PM
Republicans are actively suppressing Democratic votes to win the 2012 elections.
http://crooksandliars.com/sarahburris/slow-sad-death-democracy-america
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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 6:14 PM
You have to show your crazy to be a Republican Presidential Candidate – This is a wingnut only club!
http://progressiveerupts.blogspot.com/2011/08/inherit-ignorance.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on September 1, 2011
at 8:50 AM
FIFTEEN differences between Republicans and Democrats! Quite Good!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/fifteen-differences-between-democrats.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 31, 2011
at 7:42 PM
I think you give this Noah too much power. This place is what you make of it. I truly doubt he has the power to make the choice for you. I see a lot of nastiness and intolerance on here, you reap what you sow. Kill them with kindness I always say.
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By: Anonymous on August 31, 2011
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A root canal is more fun than this place is these days. Noah’s gotten the results he sought. Congrats, boys. I hope you’re happy. Keep an eye out for Karma – I hear she’s a tough cookie.
Mageen, I’m glad you keep checking in now and then. I pray for better days for you and your husband.
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By: delurkergurl on August 30, 2011
at 7:22 PM
A record 66 US troops died so far this month, eclipsing the previous record of 65 killed in July of 2010. I guess since we give Obama props for every victory in the middle east, I guess he has to take credit for this as well?
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By: Anonymous on August 30, 2011
at 6:53 PM
Sarah Palin is yesterdays news, kind of like you.
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By: Anonymous on August 30, 2011
at 5:29 PM
Poor Sarah Palin: Many feel she has no political future. Next year, Maybe she could be on Dancing with the Stars?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/who-doomed-sarah-palins-presidential-hopes.php
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By: JuneauJoe on August 30, 2011
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Nice,your tax payer dollars hard at work. 20 million dollars was allocated for winterizing homes in a federal grant. 20 jobs were created, 14 of which were administrative. 3 homes total in Seattle were winterized with this program. What happened to the rest of the money Mr. President?
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By: Anonymous on August 30, 2011
at 11:45 AM
And the crazy continues! Do you people really need this? What is wrong with you?
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By: No One's Puppet on August 30, 2011
at 11:24 AM
GW Bush – revising his Presidential accomplishments & Dick Cheney – has a bit different view of his boss.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/countdown-revisionist-presidency
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 30, 2011
at 9:18 AM
New Rules:
Ode to Tea Baggers!!!
For you Anonymous:
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 30, 2011
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Shit. This isn’t worth it.
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By: PFesser on August 30, 2011
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That’s true anon. I will do some research on Mitch Danials when I get time.
uawtradesman, joggers? I feel for you.
Figures posted here already show the Democrats have given us more of the deficit than Republicans since 2008. Bush’s administration and a Democratic Congress did make a higher deficit than Obama but it took eight years to do what he and Democrats have done in less than three years. Obama will finish ahead.
Iowa governor Terry Branstead said that the hurricane damage is terrible, but the press has virtually ignored our three month’s long flood which continues. He says it illustrates the local outlook of the bi- coastal press. We also know they are biased in favor of liberal Democrats.
Poor Alaska and Hawaii. Things are happening there, but we hardly know they exist. The same applies to Canada and Mexico.
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By: Anonymous on August 30, 2011
at 6:32 AM
A Conservative claims that the media is Liberal bias. A Liberal says, prove it. Well finally someone has done just that. Conclusive statistical proof that the media is very Liberal bias. For those who appreciate scientific, quantitative proofs you will love this video.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45813
To sink another nail in I report’s coffin, look at what he links. Look at the poor methodology, look at the failure to fact check, cite evidence, or to validate their own points. Then look at this video and the extraordinary lengths they go to scrutinizing their own work to show they have come to legitimate conclusions. That is the defining difference between the average Conservative and Liberal.
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For Anon
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 29, 2011
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A parade and some political folks are uninvited!!! Imagine
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/29/well-they-aint-welcome-at-my-parade-either/
Anonymous – you seem kind of desperate!!!! Doing ok? I am worried about your mental state! I don’t think you would be invited to the parade either.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 29, 2011
at 10:27 PM
Way to go Obama. We didn’t get the details until last week on the $1.2 trillion the Federal Reserve secretly lent to financial institutions, including $84.5 billion to the Royal Bank of Scotland and $66 billion to Deutsche Bank, during the 2008 crisis. It took a lawsuit from Bloomberg for the Fed to reveal details of an endeavor even larger than the Troubled Asset Relief Program. This is what democracy looks like? U-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e. And you want to whine about debt from Bush? Are you joking?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45826
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By: Anonymous on August 29, 2011
at 9:39 PM
b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l proof of failed Liberal policies and what we can expect for the nation should Obama get another term.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45811
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By: Anonymous on August 29, 2011
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Upon closer examination of those charts I can just come out and say it, like you I Report, they are a blatant lie. The numbers, and the graph lines have nothing to do with each other or reality. By all means post to your hearts content, you are doing far more damage to your credibility than anyone else.
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By: Anonymous on August 29, 2011
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I Report, You Decide! Your post at 6:44 pm is a perfect example of what I was talking about. #1 you are ignorant if you see that link and think its true or #2 your not ignorant and you are being purposefully deceitful. Either way it is a reflection of the low quality of your posts.
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By: Anonymous on August 29, 2011
at 9:18 PM
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Rep. Elijah Cummings: GOPers Don’t Want Obama to Accomplish Anything | Video Cafe
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 29, 2011
at 8:50 PM
GOD TELLS MICHELLE BACHMAN! Hey Dumbshit, Have you noticed that the drought, flooding and disasters are happening where Republicans are voting against the interest of the people? But she got the message discombobulated in her brain.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/bachmann-hurricane-gods-warning-about-govern
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 29, 2011
at 8:40 PM
Another Republican gets called out for his tax cut for billionaires crap at a town hall. He did not take it well and the people booed. Imagine that!
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/constituent-rep-dan-lungren-you-use-d
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 29, 2011
at 8:19 PM
while I’m here…
http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/permalink.asp?artist=payne&date=110828
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By: uawtradesman on August 29, 2011
at 7:18 PM
GitMo still open….
Osama dead….
#2 whacked….
still in Iraq….
still in Afghanistan…..
OK—we won’t raise your taxes….
the next Republican to enter the presidential race is….
BARACK OBAMA
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By: uawtradesman on August 29, 2011
at 7:11 PM
I Report….
the Dems had control of the purse strings starting in 2008…..
have you claimed any responsibility for Nancy and Harry…..
Are you that totally F#$King stupid….
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By: uawtradesman on August 29, 2011
at 7:01 PM
James….
My neighbors are only a 1/4 mile away and it really pisses me off(not really—the joggers) when I have to turn my back when pissing….
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By: uawtradesman on August 29, 2011
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Bush or Obama – which one had the biggest affect on piling up the US debt? Bush – by a long shot!!!
Check out these charts!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/three-reality-based-charts-you-can-use.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 29, 2011
at 6:44 PM
James, considering the mess he walked in on, what he turned it into is nothing short of amazing. Can you imagine what he could do for this country if he could do for the nation what he did to his home state?
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By: Anonymous on August 29, 2011
at 3:00 PM
I report you decide, to say “conservative white men deny climate change is simplistic.”
Climate change is a matter of fact during Earth’s history. The debate should be over what CAUSES it. The Al Gore version inadequately explains the past, nor have its predictive features been especially successful. Climategate scientists admitted as much when they discussed fixing the information to account for an interruption of the warming.
The Misssissippi and Missouri Rivers have relatively wide, flat valleys because water has flooded them from hill to hill many times in the past. Human activity did not cause those floods.
The two rivers would have flooded this year whether or not people lived here. Humans have made the floods worse, though. The Missouri River flood control project used five dams to stabilize the flow of water, especially after the historic flood of 1952. The system was built to withstand a flood of the 1882 callibar.
Unfortunately, over the years, our government changed the Corps of Engineers master manual which directs them how to manage the river. Other goals intruded. River navigation, irrigation, and recreation shared the stage with the origional goal of minimizing floods.In the past few years, they were also ordered to alter the river flow to protect species like the pallid sturgeon, a plover, and some other birds. This required a spring rise and also a lower flow to protect sand bars.
Thus, the Corps of Engineers retained more water in the resevours than it might have to allow for seasonal high water surges. The system worked pretty well, though the surges flooded some land near the river.
Last winter, la nina which is also causing the southern drought followed a pattern which dumped copious amounts of snow on the western mountains. So much snow accumulated some ski resorts offered July 4 skiing. People warned them as early as January that the snow was a potential problem, and they ought to be releasing more water, even if it caused some ice jams and flooding.
The Corps didn’t follow the suggestion because they were still assuming the five years or so of drought would continue, and they needed water for the spring rise. They began to let more water out in April, and even then the flood might not have been huge. However, parts of Montana, Wyoming, and Dakota received more than their average annual rainfall in two weeks. The Corps then reacted with the largest releases in the history of the river.
So much water was pouring down the rivers that the resevours faced the equivalent of refilling in less than a day. At least one of the dams was in danger of failing. We watched water pour from Gavens Point Dam in South Dakota at its peak. The view was spectacular.
The flood caused an oil pipeline to break on the Yellowstone River and a natural gas pipeline broke near our home for the same reason.
FEMA reps and the Weather Service told me the Corps is to blame for the severity of the flood. A Congressional debate and study will sort it out.
None of our domestic droughts, floods and temperature records are human-caused. At the worst, human activity might have added a degree or two to the heat, but the patterns pre -date humans.
How can Mother Jones explain the long drought five thousand years ago which drove even buffalo from the plains. What does the magazine say about the two hundred year drought which turned the Nebraska Sand Hills into free moving sand dunes? Our loess hills have short grass prairie plants as relics of that drought. Or maybe they survive from a similar drought several hundred years earlier. The sand dunes have existed free or under grass for thousands of years, implying long droughts are normal. Similar sand dunes are in parts of wyoming.
As I have shown, you correctly write that man’s manipulation of our envirornment has an impact, but it is only a matter of degree. Ha! We cannot yet influence when and where it rains or storms.
I’ve heard of Mitch Daniels, but I don’t know much about him.
Alaskapi, I am also biased in favor of rural people. It is nice to have our next door neighbor live two miles away.
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By: James on August 29, 2011
at 10:57 AM
Mitch Daniels is someone I could get behind for President. Let us take a look at what doing the exact opposite of Obama could do for a state & just maybe for a nation. What this man has done is akin to taking the Liberal ideology, placed it face down on the ground, butt up, and lined it up with a pro NFL kicker and given it several richly deserved kicks to the nuts. This, my Liberal friends, is what good solid conservative values will do for a state when implemented properly. This is what happens when you limit the size of government & hold government accountable.
I am stunned that this man was off my radar. He is EXACTLY, EXACTLY, what this country needs. I cannot wait for the inevitable vultures to swoop in and attack this guy. It will prove that they are for the Liberal party, and not the rest of us as a country. At the end of the day results are what matter. My initial impression is this man could be as great a President as Ronald Regan, and I have never said that about any potential hopeful.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45809
I took the time to write this man a hand written letter, not an email, to urge him to consider running for President. Check out this article . I once again have hope for this country.
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By: Anonymous on August 29, 2011
at 9:42 AM
Yes, thank you Mageen.
While the numbers of folks in rural areas may be few , relative to urban numbers, the lives and work and losses to and of rural people affect everyone. ( I admit a deep and abiding prejudice in favor of rural America, warts and all )
Higher food costs might get some attention but don’t think it will be enough to really get people address what is at stake.
Thinking of Val and Craig too for last few days. Sending best wishes.
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By: alaskapi on August 29, 2011
at 9:21 AM
Why do Conservative White Men deny Climate Change? A study.
I think the flooding of the Mississippi and Missouri River, along with the droughts and record temps tell us that man’s manipulation of the environment has an impact.
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/08/why-are-white-guys-climate-skeptics
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 29, 2011
at 8:53 AM
Thank you Mageen. There aren’t enough rural folks to care about.
I have also been thinking of Craig, Vallery, and your family..
Our silent flood continues into its third month. The Corps of Engineers is reducing water flow and our part of the Missouri River may be below flood stage by September.
Michele Bachman thinks these disasters are a message from God. I think they are a message from George Harrison.
Slowly falling water reveals that I 29 is beyond repair in parts. The DOT will have to start from scratch. Up to seven feet of river sand cover some fields. A neighbor said that the part of his field emerging from the water looks like a miniature Bad Lands. The water washed such a deep pit near a center pivot, it fell in and dissappeared from view. A sounding shows a field now has a pit deep enough to hold twenty feet of water.
Farms in the East will also be damaged with crops lost. Texas and other southern cities face a drought which has ruined crops, forced the sale of livestock, and shows no sign of ending soon.
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By: James on August 29, 2011
at 8:41 AM
I read a summery of the cosmic ray article PFessor. The theory of association with solar activity and climate is old. A Danish physicist theorised that cosmic rays play a role in the formation of clouds which cool the world while more sunshine warms the earth. Periods of weak solar activity lead to more cosmic rays and more cooling clouds while the reverse lets us warm.
The physicist in charge of the study says the particles are too small for clouds to form around, but that the experiment is an important first step in understanding how cosmic rays might influence cloud making. Unlike human-caused global warming, solar activity might plausibly explain climatological heat and warm spells which are older than our greenhouse gas emissions.
For example, the Little Ice Age was associated with the Maunder Minimum of little sun spot activity, and the world cooled during the forties through seventies while people produced huge quantities of CO2 and other gases.
Our world’s climate has warmed only slowly since 1995 and is statistically fairly stable. This corresponds to a period of limited solar activity. If the sun becomes more active the warming should return at a faster rate. The study doesn’t prove much yet, but its logic fits better with past events than human caused global warming. Mars has also been growing warmer, and that also implies an external force. One of its supporters warned we must not fall into the human caused global warming trap, because too many global effects remain unknown.
We face much more serious global warming. The sun is slowly using its hydrogen “fuel” and it must grow warmer to burn the “ashes” into ever heavier elements. Gradually, the sun will bake the earth as its oceans boil away. Eventually the sun may turn into a red giant which could expand to the earth’s orbit. This could happen within a billion or two years.
I’m sure greenhouse gas contributes to a small percentage of our climate change, but I think externals are still the driving forces. ISU extension climatologist Elywnn Taylor says normal cycles also drive our weather. We are now in 1920’s weather and are headed toward the 1930’s extremes.
Researchers in Oklahoma discovered that during the past ten thousand years, the plains were so arid that buffalo and Indians left. They calculated that area has had sufficient rainfall for habitaton at the Indians’ level of technology for about 25% of the past 10,000 years.
As Rumsfeld said, there are knowns and unknowns and we don’t know what we know and don’t know. This study is important, but it hasn’t proved much yet.
Its funny that a Danish scientist developed the theory. Another Danish scientist showed that blue eyed people like me are all cousins and products of a mutation near the Black Sea eight to ten thousand years ago.
I liked Brand New Key, especially the part where her voice transitioned from high pitched little girl to woman. Age does funny things. At our high school reunion on Friday night, I sat next to the girl who I danced with at senior prom, and didn’t recognize her until I saw her name tag.
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By: James on August 29, 2011
at 8:21 AM
Valerie, you are on my prayer list.
I am from a country background and my dander is up cuz of the way the mainstream media is not handling the disaster in farm country after Irene. The emphasis seems to be on the urban areas like NYC where a number of reporters et al have concluded that nothing much happened there and so shall it be elsewhere. Food costs in the grocery stores are going to go up as farmers sell off what they have left in the way of buildings, etc. and go away somewhere to do something else. And as for Bachmann and her conclusion that natural disasters are a message from God, what god does she pray to? Mars? Fires, floods and earthquakes happened long before the human species roamed the planet.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 29, 2011
at 8:16 AM
I Report: Why are you engaging with Noah? Obviously, this is someone who lied about his big departure from the blog. He’s previously been here as Tammy Harper and Dennis. And he’s lecturing about honesty?
Fact is that I’m one of the ones who asked you to back off a bit on the links. I don’t care whether they are liberal or conservative–it really makes it difficult to enjoy the blog. Will you consider taking it a bit easier? And, while it’s your choice, Noah is someone to just ignore.
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By: Evelyn on August 29, 2011
at 7:42 AM
I Report, You Decide! scroll above. The downside to your diarrhea of posts is that there is to many to go through. Three specific instances come to mind where I showed what you claimed and what you linked to be either a total distortion of the actual facts or a blatant lie. If you are so concerned as to the specifics of how I busted you just scroll up and look for the posts. The problem with telling so many falsehoods is that it can be sometimes hard to keep track of them so I understand why you have problems remembering them all.
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By: Anonymous on August 29, 2011
at 7:32 AM
Servicemen getting ripped off while overseas with their mortgages.
The banks are unresponsive, lose documents many times, but we are not suppose to badmouth banks – right. We need Elizabeth Warren to help gets banks to be reasonable. REPUBLICANS WON’T VOTE FOR HER! Why not?
http://www.realecontv.com/page/4744.html
Anon: Any lies here?
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 29, 2011
at 6:38 AM
Melanie (Safka, Sathka?) had a pretty good album out. There were several songs on it I liked a lot: Ring the Living Bell, Candles in the Rain, Ils Ont Changez ma Chancon or something like that.
I saw an interview with her a few years back. She was unrecognizable.
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By: PFesser on August 29, 2011
at 5:34 AM
I saw Melanie in concert right after Brand New Key came out. There was a big controversy about what “key” meant. Could she be singing about sex? Oh, NO!
LOL. Shows you how far we have come since then.
Or regressed.
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By: PFesser on August 29, 2011
at 5:14 AM
I heard from Valerie, Craig’s wife. She posted an update at Caringbridge (sp?). She is to meet with the doc soon to better tune the treatment. Apparently she’s exhausted but on the road to recovery. Just keep praying, just keep praying…
For an annoying tune…
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By: poolman on August 29, 2011
at 12:43 AM
Noah: This one is for you. If there are lies, please tell me! This is re:: Joe Walsh – Republican.
… but he also has himself some legal troubles now.
The Chicago Sun Times says he’s $117,000 in arrears with child support.
Now here you’ve got you a guy who said about Washington, “I won’t place one more dollar of debt upon the backs of my kids and grandkids unless we structurally reform the way this town spends money!” At the very same moment he’s putting his own kids $117,000 in debt.
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/28/joe-joe-whatcha-know/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 11:05 PM
3 Billion Spent on Iraq is that a lie?
Iraq war started with lies. Is that the lie?
Please Noah: Truly, if I am spreading lies, I need to know so I can improve my integrity. Please help me and you can be truthful. I can take it.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 10:53 PM
What lies? WMD in Iraq? Was that a lie?
Tell me the lies I am putting out. I am interested. You can help me with my integrity.
You are full of it!
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 10:33 PM
The Conservative George Will? Is that like the Virgin Connie Swale?
If and when you start posting with some integrity and stop telling lies I will take you seriously, until then….You go girl!!!! Knock yourself out. Bush is the Debil. The Debil I tell you.
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 10:12 PM
BTW – 3 Trillion for a war which lies got us in to. (That is money added to the National Debt!!!! That Was because of stupid decisions by Cheney and Bush!!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html
Noah – Do you care about the national Debt? HELL NO!!!
You just want to use the issue to bash President Obama, Be Honest Noah,
If you really cared about the debt – You would want the 70 Billion per year given to the wealthiest 1% and have the money go to pay down the debt!
Be Honest Noah!
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 10:12 PM
Anon: You don’t like what I read or think, DON’T READ THEM and certainly don’t check out the links. However, I might say, Meet the Press where they were discussing Cheney’s book was quite interesting. You should probably not look at it. They are bad mouthing Dick Cheney.
Do you disagree with Conservative George Will? Do you feel that Dick Cheney owes the country an apology for lying us into Iraq? I do. I think George Will is right on. What do you think? Please Tell!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/elephant-room
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 9:58 PM
I Report, You Decide! I would rather be perceived as having the ability to speak my mind and have people hate me for it, than to be considered a proven liar and propagandist, like yourself.
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 9:37 PM
way to live in the past. hows that working out fixing today for you?
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 9:34 PM
More on the Cheney Book. It is not getting rave reviews. Cheney said, “heads will explode” – not the case. People are quite bothered at his tone and mean spiritedness actually. (Reminds me of how Anonymous is perceived)
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/elephant-room
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 9:25 PM
Even Conservative George Will says we are owed an apology by Cheney/Bush for getting us into an expensive and unwarranted war in Iraq.
Only 2 pages of Cheney’s book talks about after Saddam was deposed. The Iraq war was poorly run by Rumsfeld and Cheney, which made it the disaster which continues. At least President Obama got it kind of under control.
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/george-will-slams-dick-cheney-not-apo
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 9:05 PM
alaskapi , putting words in my mouth I never said. I almost expected more of you, almost. End of the day you couldn’t humble yourself and admit your fault. Lets have a topic change, let everyone form their own opinions.
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 8:17 PM
I think that Jean is doing well–that is kind of you to ask. They’ve had challenges but her attitude is great. I was thinking about Craig today as well.
As for the study, that is so far beyond anything I know but thank you for making it somewhat less incomprehensible.
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By: Donna on August 28, 2011
at 8:08 PM
Donna –
We haven’t heard from Jean for a while. As I recall, her husband had been ill. Have you heard anything from them? I hope he’s doing OK.
I haven’t heard anything from Craig for a right good while either. I think they are having a tough go of it.
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By: PFesser on August 28, 2011
at 7:52 PM
Pfesser: As I understand, it’s a very preliminary study, yes?
I don’t know a lot about it, actually. Apparently these guys used radiation (type?) to induce condensation in a moisture-filled atmosphere. (Remember cloud chambers you could build as a kid? You could actually get a weak nuclide that emitted alpha, beta and gamma radiation and you generated a saturated atmosphere somehow in the chamber. The particles would induce a trail of condensation behind them.) The researchers were able to extrapolate their data with a fair degree of confidence and their conclusion was that cosmic radiation played a far bigger role in cloud formation than thought before.
That’s really all I know. How they were able to apply it to large systems I’m not sure, but their technique seemed to be rigorous enough that they are being taken seriously and are causing a lot of stir.
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By: PFesser on August 28, 2011
at 7:29 PM
The Susan B Anthony pledge and Rick Perry – he signed it!
Basically, he says he will only appoint activist judges. The Judges must be anti- Roe v Wade, defund Planned Parenthood and some other ideas. Basically it is just Big Government will make the decisions for women ideas.
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/28/signing-the-pledge/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 7:22 PM
Whatever floats your boat, moral anony. I’m not agitating to vote you off the island any more than I am however many other anonys there are here now. Decide whatever gobbeldygook you want. Go ahead with whatever rant about liberals being the scum of the scum of the scum you want. Whip out your litany of insults about hypocrisy, kool-aid, lack of integrity, whatever floats your boat.
Hey, you could do the one about liberals eating their young! Been awhile since that one popped up…
Donna and any who like to cook like she does- here’s a relatively recent and wonderful addition to my favorite online newspaper here :
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/section/kirsten-dixon
and forget that Timothy song- it really is terrible. I tracked it down Ewwwwww
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By: alaskapi on August 28, 2011
at 7:16 PM
I report, naa, not angry even a little. I am amused to no end how they fell hook line and sinker for my little test. I knew for no other reason than you are Liberal they would back you up and defend you. I also knew if I did exactly as you did, but chose conservative posts, they would turn on me. What I didn’t anticipate was they would turn on you as well. I think it is hilarious that Liberals have become so bleeping predictable.
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 7:15 PM
Pfesser: As I understand, it’s a very preliminary study, yes?
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By: Donna on August 28, 2011
at 6:59 PM
Am I the only one to notice that there is an attempt to sabotage M&H’s blog. Anon aka I Report aka JJ (who must have been banned) has flooded the comment section so it is now almost impossible to download. This must be a retaliation by JJ for being banned or the aliens have arrived.
I guess I should join the group and post as Anon 5 but not worth the time and effort to download. I’m not sure a new post would help because if JJ throws another 300-400 posts the blog is right back where it is now.
Internet terrorist 😆
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By: Raji on August 28, 2011
at 6:52 PM
Let me jump on the bandwagon of those requesting that the anons take up some kind of handle. I’m just skipping over any anon posts, since I can’t figure out who said what.
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By: PFesser on August 28, 2011
at 6:42 PM
re: “climate change”, nee global warming
The magazine Nature has a new article out that suggests most of the earth’s cloud formation is the result of cosmic irradiation, rather than nuclei from sulfuric acid and other man-made gases. This is a well-respected mainstream scientific magazine and the suggestion by the researchers is that man’s contribution to climate change may be less than half of that thought previously. (Cloud cover is probably the most important determinant of average global temperatures.)
It’s out of my area of expertise and over my head, but the article is well worth reading and is causing quite a firestorm of controversy. Anybody else see it?
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By: PFesser on August 28, 2011
at 6:39 PM
Anonymous: : Noah – You have a serious anger issue!
What you say is what I see in your and your posts.
Have a better day!
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 5:55 PM
Thanks Donna, in the truest of Liberal traditions, when busted with your hand in the cookie jar, you go on the offensive. Well done. We ALL know who and what you really are now. Lets see if alaskapi follows suit.
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 4:15 PM
FEMA is about to run out of money because of the many disasters so far this year. CAN WE TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE YET?
Katrina cost 100 Billion to rebuild just a few years ago. Now Canter insists that cuts take place to fund the rebuilding of his own district – kind of him – not. Disasters this year include: massive flooding in the midwest, drought and flooding in Tx and OK, Irene. Record Temperatures all over the east coast. Snow in places that never see snow in the south.
We could do what Gov Perry suggests: Pray and dump record amounts of carbon into the air then bad mouth agencies that oversee disaster.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/fema-almost-out-money-due-multiple-di
Anon: You are getting real whiny. Poor Anonymous.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 4:04 PM
OK, I’ll say what I want…..The Anonymous’s are getting hard to keep separate…….Could you at least go by Anonymous 1,2,3,4,or whatever……
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By: uawtradesman on August 28, 2011
at 3:03 PM
I didn’t give a crap what you thought before, Noah, and I don’t now. What a joke you are–with all of your b.s. about your successful business and your baby and your many pioneer-worthy talents. And then the melodramatic “departure…” but you couldn’t even stay away for a week. So you’re back with your puerile little “integrity tests.” Fact is that the people who objected to excessive linking objected regardless of the subject. Another fail on your part. Why not really make it a trifecta and start pontificating about Bernard Gert (or, as I prefer to think of it, “First Year Philosophy for Dummies.”
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By: Donna on August 28, 2011
at 2:55 PM
Hey, say what you want, claim what you want. The evidence is here for all to see and it is irrefutable. Where I come from we call that flat busted. Now you either step up and have the integrity to admit your duplicity, or you don’t. We each can make our own value judgements as to the choice you two decide to make and what that says about you. I have my opinion as to the choice you both will make, the only difference now is everyone else will know as well. Last word is yours girls. /moves on.
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 2:35 PM
Colin Powell on VP Cheney’s new book. I now wish Colin had been Vice President for Bush instead of Cheney. Cheney was evil on a good day.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/colin-powell-compares-cheneys-book-marketing
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 2:30 PM
Sorry in advance! Given the ‘I love Jesus’ and ‘Pray the Gay Away’ type of people they are, it is probably wrong. However, it is so very good. Along with that: when people preach God, Truth and run off to a Prostitute (Todd), then they are not as pure as they want us all to believe.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/todays-things-that-once-seen-cannot-be.html
Anon: PLEASE TRY PRACTICING WHAT YOU PREACH!!! That would be a refreshing change!
It is a shame so few people left in the world with any sense of integrity. I will always be amazed at people’s inability to admit fault in themselves for anything. THOSE WORDS ARE YOU!!! Talking to yourself again but you do not listen to what you say.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 2:06 PM
actually, my definition of a hypocrite is someone who makes a melodramatic exit from a blog, vowing not to return unless invited back by the hosts. But who then just comes back and posts as anonymous. So, we have a complete fraud lecturing other people about their integrity. What else is new, Noah?
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By: Donna on August 28, 2011
at 12:49 PM
You are right about the Yellowstone caldra. It has blown many times in the past, and it will again. Continental drift makes it appear to move, though is is stationary. When it was under present day Idaho, a cloud of ash dropped it three feet deep in western Nebraska, 18 inches eighty miles west of us and 2 to 4 inches deep on us. A classmate, who’s family had a gravel pit used the pumice to polish their silverware.
The ash killed many animals where they stood, and the silicon dust smothered others. They remain under the ash to this day. A monument called Ashfall west of us in Northeast Nebraska has a nice display including a large building over the bones where one can watch college students dig them out. They leave some of the bones in situ to educate visitors on how fossils are extracted. Ashfall has a web site, I think.
Something like that will happen again. Rapid City will have less than fifteen hours to evacuate, and prevailing winds could force us out too. Parts of Yellowstone are bulging up, but scientists who moniter the area don’t expect any immediate danger.
A huge chamber beneath the park fills with lava and it may drain back out. When it is unable to, the pressure builds and Yellowstone blows.
Uawtradesman is right about the Obama bundling. The press should be reporting it, but they still like Obama.
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By: James on August 28, 2011
at 12:12 PM
anony- Pffft again!
It is a shame so few people left in the world with any sense of integrity. I will always be amazed at people’s inability to admit fault in themselves for anything. You would think a blog would be the perfect place to practice a little humility, after all, no one can see you blush online.
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 11:31 AM
LEAVE THE CORPORATIONS ALONE……
Do you mean like Comcast financing Obama…..
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-parent-company-comcast-most-generous-donors-to-obama-victory-fund/
In addition, two oil industry executives are bundling money for Obama – drumming up contributions from individuals and turning them over to the campaign. George Kaiser, the chairman of Oklahoma-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., ranks 68th on the Forbes list of world billionaires. He’s listed on Obama’s Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the candidate. Robert Cavnar is president and CEO of Milagro Exploration LLC, an oil exploration and production company. He’s named as a bundler in the same category as Kaiser.
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By: uawtradesan on August 28, 2011
at 11:21 AM
oops- should have said I don’t get much from any of the DLs here. Tried to keep up with em all for a bit until UAW donned the claok of invisibilty in solidarity 🙂
After that I gave up
signed-
hippie commie liberal wierdo hypocriical Pi
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By: alaskapi on August 28, 2011
at 11:03 AM
Pfesser-ANC was badly, badly damaged in the 64 quake. Tsunamis hit Kenai and Kodiak ( and further south in No Cal and OR).
Village of my grandmother’s people so badly hit by water it had to be abandoned
http://www.aeic.alaska.edu/quakes/Alaska_1964_earthquake.html
Lost people that day to tsunamis. And an uncle we later found out passed from a ruptured brain aneurism at age 36, unrelated to the disaster. He was a pistol- had his own plane charter company, started with a plane he built as a teen.
Holy moley on the hangar roof!!!
anony- Pffft again!
You were included in the ignore and scroll remarks too. Don’t get much out of either of the dueling anonys myself.
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By: alaskapi on August 28, 2011
at 10:46 AM
chuckle…chuckle…..
I like the 3rd one
http://www.cagle.com/news/Hurricanes11/main.asp
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By: uawtradesan on August 28, 2011
at 10:36 AM
GOP Definition for small government: LEAVE THE CORPORATIONS ALONE! The little people can be spied on in the bedroom, on the job (stop unions) and take away rights from women and their bodies.
Interesting link.
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2011/08/small-government-for-little-people.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 10:22 AM
no rules of fair play or engagement*
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 10:21 AM
So i had to scroll up to make sure I got this right Donna & alaskapi. I post I think this guy is a bot, and that he is a disruptive influence and question his purpose. I then get told then I was over reacting because they were Liberal posts, and that i should learn to appreciate arguments from both sides, I belief the term pfft! was used often. I am told the posts are productive and appreciated.
I then post a PoV different than I Report. In doing so I now see people questioning if he is a bot, about the posts being disruptive, complaining that I am doing the same as he. Where is your appreciation for a different point of view Donna/alaskapi? Where were you cries of contempt when I brought up the subject? When I Report posted, you were fine with it. When I did as he did, you used the very arguments I used to question his intent.
If nothing else is accomplished by this little exercise, let the record show the blatant double standard and hypocrisy we have so perfectly witnessed. You are closed minded, you do not consider other points of view, you do not hold everyone to the same standards. This is why one does not argue with a Liberal, because it is a battle with no rules or fair play or engagement. Is it any wonder why the tea party conservatives wont work with you?
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 10:16 AM
Alaskapi –
Since you guys live right on the “ring of fire” earthquakes are a fact of life for you. I remember a really big one in the ‘sixties??? Is that right? I think there was a tsunami, too? My memory fails me but it seems it devastated Anchorage.
Of course the elephant in the room is Yellowstone which is itself nothing but a massive volcano. They say if it goes – and it is very likely – it will be like nothing the world has ever seen. shudder…..
The hurricane didn’t bother us much here – just some rain an not too much wind.
re: wind and tornadoes. The guy I bought my hangar from was in the process of building it about fifteen years ago and didn’t have the big main door on yet. A small tornado came out of a local storm and took the whole roof off and deposited it in one piece about a thousand yards away while he stood there and watched it. It lifted up and went over top of all the other hangars and didn’t hit any of them. I bet he had to get clean pants after that! LOL.
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By: PFesser on August 28, 2011
at 10:00 AM
Cink of the Young Turks talks about the Big Banks getting off without investigations. Good Information. I think there needs to be a real investigation. Go Cink
http://www.realecontv.com/page/4741.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 9:26 AM
Dick Cheney worked this way!
I find this story sad. It is about the choking (only hands around the neck) of a State Supreme Court Judge by the Chief Justice. Since it was not really a choke – nothing to see here. Move on folks.
What is sad to me, is that this is symbolic of the way the Republicans and Democrats communicate since Dick Cheney brought out the tough guy mode for the Republicans. The Dems are no angels but at least they can vote for a Republican idea. Republicans cannot vote for a Democratic proposal or they face the Cheney Treatment. (Once the Repubs sign the Grover Norquist manifesto the discussion of what is right for the country is over seems to me.)
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/128539358.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 9:14 AM
You know, alaskapi: I wonder if I Report is just doing an automated posting of links on multiple blogs. Because there is absolutely no attempt to engage, that seems likely. In which case, simply ignoring and (if one wishes) declining to go to the links is probably the most appropriate thing to do. It’s the blog equivalent of graffiti–but without the originality or possible artistic component.
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By: Donna on August 28, 2011
at 8:52 AM
While all were quite unsettling, I have lived through many, many earthquakes, large and small, a few typhoons ( We lost the roof on our home in 120 MPH winds when I was 8. I remember standing with my dad watching the pieces of roof ripped off over our heads cutting the fence in the front yard into matchsticks), multiple floods, tsunami, and sundry other earthly frights. I remain unschooled in tornados and plagues of bullfrogs. Am thinking the bullfrogs would be wierd but standable.
🙂
Not so sure about the tornado dealie. Scare me like earthquakes scare others…
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By: alaskapi on August 28, 2011
at 8:39 AM
Day of Destruction, Decade of War. A special project by Rachel Maddow
I wish I had a TV to watch it. Looks good!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/day-of-destruction-decade-of-war-what.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 8:37 AM
Donna-
Setting aside what I feel and think about the voting-people-off-H-&-M’s -island thingy , I join you in wondering what the dueling linksters’ intentions are. I am reasonably certain it is not to provoke, invoke, or evoke conversation. What say you, DLs?
Shatner did a great beat reading of Palin’s quitter speech. I’m not sure it erases the stain of of that horrible album of years ago but it certainly eased the strain of trying to understand her gobbeldygook as serious political reasoning for quittystock.
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By: alaskapi on August 28, 2011
at 8:25 AM
We were on our way to Yellowstone Park, I think, in 1959. In those days, one didn’t have to reserve rooms ahead of time. Travelers stopped when they got tired, often as late as ten or eleven at night.
Yellowstone had a big earth quake. We had felt part of it. Most of a mountain slid onto a camp ground, where the bodies still remain . We had felt the earth quake but we still wanted to see the park. It was after dark, and ours was the only car driving toward the park. A solid of outbound cars with headlights visible to the horizon faced us. I remember wondering if it was a good idea not to join them, but my parents were confident. Little scared them.
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By: James on August 28, 2011
at 8:13 AM
Limerick ode to Rick Perry about his recent book FED UP. (Why is Perry trying so hard to forget what he wrote?)
http://www.madkane.com/madness/2011/08/23/rick-perry-fed-up-humor/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 8:09 AM
The Teabagger snake is on the Endangered Species List: Just a little bit of irony. Don’t Tread On Me
http://djpostl.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/in-a-delicious-bit-of-irony-tea-partys-favorite-snake-needs-government-aid/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 8:03 AM
Thanks Donna. Now, I can “hear” the words, but I will have to play something else to get rid of them.
How about Chumba Wamba’s “Tubthumping?” I like the song and video, but it is odd music.
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By: James on August 28, 2011
at 8:02 AM
Here it is: 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake
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By: PFesser on August 28, 2011
at 7:55 AM
The DEBT CEILING MESS compared to Hamlet
http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2011/07/to-be-or-not-to-be.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 28, 2011
at 7:54 AM
Mageen –
You were mentioning that pancaked bridge in California. I don’t remember the year, but I was at a conference there in SF but my flight was out of Oakland – across the bay. I was talking to the taxi driver when we went across that bridge – on the bottom set of lanes. Swear to God this is the truth: I said that it seemed pretty stupid to put one set of lanes over the other in a place with so many earthquakes. He said it was to save money.
When I got home from my conference I turned on the TV to see that same bridge had collapsed. The top lanes had fallen down on the bottom. Talk about a weird feeling.
My mother later told me that her 75 year-old lifetime best friend, who had only been out of WV about five or six times, was visiting her son in Oakland and had just got off that bridge when it fell.
California is a beautiful place, but I’ll keep ol’ Virginny, thank you.
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By: PFesser on August 28, 2011
at 7:48 AM
“Don’t give up on us, baby…”
The late Patrick Swazye, a talented dancer and actor, also had an unsuccessful attempt at music: “She’s Like the Wind.”
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By: Donna on August 28, 2011
at 7:44 AM
Yes, he did, Donna. I had forgotten. I also think David Soul sang the song.
Thanks a lot, Donna. Now, i hear that thing rattling in my head, but I can’t make out the words.
William Shatner also polluted music with songs.
I do love his effort with Ben Folds Five, though. I also like Louden Wainwright 111’s “Dead Skunk.”
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By: James on August 28, 2011
at 7:38 AM
Mageen, congratulations to you and your husband. Halloween is funny. I imagine his wearing a mask to the check up and saying “trick or treat.”
One of my minors was political science, and I agree. The only problem if they go down is they may take us down with them. They are almost like an economic cancer.
I’ve been in mild earth quakes, but never a hurricane. I hope it all works out for you. If you do suffer a plague of bull frogs, remember frogs legs are good. They taste a little like chicken.
Pfessor, I read about Obama before he was elected, and I knew what would happen. I bleated about it often enough here. My only surprise is it was worse than I expected. His mind is locked shut, and unlike Clinton, he cannot adapt to changing circumstances until he is forced to. Some of the people around him are dangerous.
I agree, Romney is the least onerous of the Republican candidates, but he has proven ability to run a business. We need someone like that. Unfortunately, he reminds me of Ken Doll.
There was a time when I was forced to choose between the moral values in which I was raised or the dark side to survive. I’m still here, but I remember how it was. I don’t care who it is. If that person can win, I will vote for him/her, even if that person is Hillary or Ron Paul, I will vote for expediency, not principal.
Just my five cents. As you say everyone must follow his/her conscience even if it is hard to find.
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By: James on August 28, 2011
at 7:29 AM
OK–we are back to dueling links. I don’t disagree with Alaskapi’s observations. But seriously: what do you believe you accomplish? Have you seen these provoke discussion? I honestly am interested in why you choose to do this, particularly when you couple your links with insults. I look forward to your responses.
In the meantime: didn’t one of the Starsky and Hutch guys put out a really awful song?
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By: Donna on August 28, 2011
at 7:26 AM
Follow the money trail, sometimes it takes you to interesting places.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-parent-company-comcast-most-generous-donors-to-obama-victory-fund/
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 7:18 AM
It’s time for justice to be served Mr. President. Just because these 189 people cannot vote doesn’t mean they should be written off.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45797
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 7:07 AM
Funny, but not really, two versions of the same event. Our President hard at work, but is he serving the people, or being served by the people? This day, for sure, the latter.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/presidents-day-yesterday_591386.html
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 6:51 AM
Had a double major as an undergraduate, one of them being poli sci. It was a snap for me. However, very little of what I learned then resembles what exists now. Back in the olden days we had no idea of what a player Wall Street would be, and corporations like General Electric. Back then we couldn’t even wrap our heads around that concept. Seems to me now though that the bigger they get and the more power they attempt to throw around the more they also endanger themselves. They will be undone by their own hand. Could come sooner than we all think inasmuch as folks are so freaking sick of those two groups.
Now for me the good news is that husband will have his first 3 month post chemo checkup at — get this — Halloween! Chuckling is allowed at this juncture. He is doing way better than we all had hoped.
He even involved himself in hurricane prepartions such as tying down everything too big to store but just right for flying in the wind. Its been a strange week or so here in old Virginny. First, there was that damn swamp fire that just never seems to quit. Then the earthquake. One thing worse than the earthquake are all those experts who insist that one should react in only one way when the ground starts shaking so bad all you can think of is liquifaction. The office I work in is at ground level (basement). Never saw a floor move six different ways simultaneously or so damn quick. Got out before it could possibly buckle. No, there weren’t any pieces of furniture strong enough to provide cover. Lots of people discovered that feet are good for running. All of us in the streets. Not a brick out of place! That goes for all the old historic districts in D.C. and northern Virginia. Wouldn’t have done that duck, cover and hold thing anyway even if there was something really strong to hide under. Going into a fetal position at my age would have been impossible anyway. Plus, I greatly remember all those photos of pancaked buildings in California and how it was a mess trying to rescue the survivors and retrieve bodies.
And then, just because it would be so gosh darned interesting, we had a hurricane. The widest on record. 500 miles across. No sleep whatever last night. Still kiind of windy out and there is some lacklustre rain. Lots and lots and lots of trash on the ground.
The betting is that we get a plague of bullfrogs next.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 28, 2011
at 6:08 AM
Now the Obama administration blames mother nature for our slow economy. It is official, he has now blamed everyone but himself.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/earthquakes-and-tsunamis-and-revolutions-oh-my_591396.html
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 5:46 AM
More proof Obama is for the mega businesses and says screw it to the little guys.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/heavy-hand_591398.html
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 5:41 AM
More cheerful news on the economy.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/economic-storm-continues-bernanke-says-r
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By: Anonymous on August 28, 2011
at 5:37 AM
I Report:
Obviously I can’t speak for the whole GOP but to many of us GOP expatriates, Romney represents the least onerous of an onerous herd of candidates. In point of fact, it is the infiltration of the GOP by people like Bachmann, Perry, Palin et al that drove many of us out of the Party to begin with.
So I don’t anticipate voting for Romney or anybody else the GOP fields. As for the Democrats, I have been doing a lot of reading on economics lately and I am absolutely convinced that B.O.’s policies on the economy are not only dead wrong but threaten the whole republic. So it looks like Ron Paul for me.
Everybody always says, “Ron Paul? He can’t win! Why throw your vote away?” My response is what Ross Perot said: You only waste your vote if you don’t vote your conscience. So I think we should not try to game the system and vote for “who can win” – as I’ve said before. Vote your conscience and let the system work.
Just my .05.
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By: pfesser53 on August 28, 2011
at 5:15 AM
Jack Cafferty talks about the GOP candidates and how crazy they are!
Quite good!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/while-discussing-top-gop-candidates.html
Yes, America DOES seem allergic to brains and common sense in politics. Any time that folks like Perry, Palin, and Bachmann are taken seriously in spite of their well-known intellectual shortcomings and their lack of character, or Mr. Expediency AKA Flipflop Romney is leading the president in ANY polls, it means there are Americans who will gladly carry water for folks who wouldn’t think twice about drowning them.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 27, 2011
at 10:29 PM
Donna, Pfessor, delurkergurl, thanks for an enjoyable evening with your banter combined with watching Brad Kasloski win a race tonight.
Raindrops On My Head gave me the willies. It rivaled Barney’s theme.
We had a muskrat in our drying lake during a drought. The little beast dug a two hundred foot channel to keep water around its nest. It finally gave up and moved away.
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 9:57 PM
Now to exhibit the pride and joy of the Liberal party. Point 5 is of particular interest. I also think it is telling who the race party is, much in the same way the previous post did brilliantly.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45762
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 9:23 PM
many should be replace with math
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 9:21 PM
Funny how many can put things into perspective. Math just doesn’t lie
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45780
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 9:14 PM
Some fine points.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/bachmann-calls-out-radical-environmentalists/
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 9:09 PM
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS – We have blown it on Jobs and Unemployment with this Congress!
There are no quick fixes to joblessness, but Washington could temporarily make federal money available to pay for teachers who are otherwise being laid off. We could increase spending on service programs like AmeriCorps that have far more applicants than spots.
We could extend the payroll tax cut, which expires at the end of December. Astonishingly, Republicans in Congress seem to be lined up instinctively against this basic economic stimulus. Could the Tea Party actually favor tax reductions for billionaires but not for working Americans? Could we have found a tax increase the Republican Party favors?
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 27, 2011
at 9:08 PM
That’s it. I’m ruined. Stomach hurts from laughing.
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By: Donna on August 27, 2011
at 8:17 PM
James – every time I hear “Muskrat Love” by Captain and Tennille (first done by America, I think), when they get to the kind of free-form burbling sound – which I suppose is what muskrats are supposed to sound like when they are making whoopee), I think of what my girlfriend at the time said: “It sounds like somebody having diarrhea in a tub full of water.”
There it is, about 2:09. You know, I think she was right…it DOES sound a little like that. God the things we thought about back then. Usually stoned. LOL
I can’t even listen to that song now; that mental picture is all I can think of and I start laughing out loud.
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By: PFesser on August 27, 2011
at 7:55 PM
PFesser: I am howling I am laughing so hard at your imitation of Marie.
But I’m not done yet. How about “Baby, Don’t Get Hooked On Me” by Mac Davis. I always used to think “don’t worry–it’s not going to happen.” Or possibly “The Men in My Little Girl’s Life.” (there’s a boy outside. HIs name is Todd. He wants to play. In our back yodd.”
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By: Donna on August 27, 2011
at 7:52 PM
Muskrat Love…it burns! The awfulness burns! Although it’s only the worst of a whole slew of badness from the Captain and Tenille.
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By: Donna on August 27, 2011
at 7:49 PM
Donna –
I see your fold and raise you one. God I had forgotten Paper Roses. This was during the absolute golden age of rock; the FM radios in our dorms never slept – Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey, The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, stuff by Jethro Tull, Rare Earth, CCR, Three Dog Night – on and on and on – just top stuff.
Then Paper Roses would come on. Two things drove me nuts about that bro/sis pair: they were so Good – with a capital “G” and Marie could for the life of her not say “r.” So it came out, “papuh o-ses, papuh o-ses. How eel those o-ses seem to be…..AGGGGGHHHHH! I still want to commit suicide every time I think about it.
No, I don’t think anything tops Papuh O-ses… I concede…your game.
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By: PFesser on August 27, 2011
at 7:43 PM
I agree alaskapi. I hope they are doing all right. Our town is having a celebration to commemorate the end of WW1, and our school reunion last night was part of it.
At the parade today, I overheard a woman talking to someone on her cell phone. She said they had some bad news. Her grand son killed himself last night. I debated with myself about telling her I was sorry, but the call was none of my business, and I didn’t know how she would react, so I kept quiet.
Morning Train by Sheena Easton
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 7:33 PM
Thanks for that delurkergurl.
Now I know why a chicken was sitting on Katy Perry’s bed. Rebecca Black is also in Perry’s video. Katy’s video is a parody of that little gem. I know the context, thanks to you.
Donna, Puppy Love and Paper Roses are like running fingernails down a black board.
Muskrat Love.
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 7:22 PM
Walking out the door to help with a concert.
Buddy was born and raised in Virginia, worked on the pipeline here, retired from housepainting 2 years ago with a bad back.
Is a favorite friend and facing bad medical news…
Best wishes to Mageen, Craig and Val, and all who are having scary times who visit here.
(Puppy Love ?! YARG! I had mercifully forgotten that song… til now )
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By: alaskapi on August 27, 2011
at 7:21 PM
James, that wasn’t the Friday I was thinking of but it’s a worthy candidate.
I don’t mind Dancing Queen, either, Donna.
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By: delurkergurl on August 27, 2011
at 7:04 PM
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By: delurkergurl on August 27, 2011
at 7:02 PM
ok. I fold. Nothing can beat Puppy Love for sheer badness. Although Paper Roses is right down there.
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By: Donna on August 27, 2011
at 6:58 PM
I think I heard “Dancing Queen” too many times. I had forgotten Bobby Goldsboro. Yes, it is must be on the list too.
It would be like watching a train wreck. When I get time, I will look up that miner song.
What do you think of “Barby Doll” by Aqua, a Danish group? Its a bad song, but it is sort of a guilty pleasure.
ABC is broadcasting a NASCAR race. Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon have been leading. I checked here during commercials.
Too bad you aren’t interested in watching. Your commentary would be interesting.
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 6:53 PM
re: bad songs.
Can you top “Rockin’ Robin” by the Jackson Five?
How about any song by Donny and Marie Osmond during the ‘seventies? Every time “Puppy Love” came on the radio in my dorm, I wanted to castrate Donny.
Then I realized I was already too late…
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By: PFesser on August 27, 2011
at 6:44 PM
HA! It was by the Buoys. “Trapped in a mine that had caved in and everyone knows the only ones left were Joe, and me, and Tim. When they broke through to set us free, the only ones left to tell the tale were Joe and me.” And yes–but it was Joe’s idea.
Actually, Dancing Queen is one of those guilty pleasures songs. But let’s see…true hatred…”Honey, I Miss You” by Bobby Goldsboro.
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By: Donna on August 27, 2011
at 6:39 PM
“Friday” is a sort of song by Ice Cube featuring drugs and other things. At least that is the one I assume delurkergurl is thinking of.
DONNA!! Someone actually made a song about trapped canibalistic miners?
Did they eat Timothy? What group performed that masterpiece?
Dancing Queen is another song on my list.
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 6:31 PM
Party Rock Anthem is on my list too.
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 6:20 PM
Republicans won’t meet with their constituents – Why Not?
They have to answer to them about their voting record. People want answers about where they stand on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security as well as wars and JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!!!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rep-todd-akin-refuses-meet-constituents-an
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 27, 2011
at 6:16 PM
What’s “Friday?”
And you are so right about Disco Duck.
What about “Timothy”–the song about the miners who are trapped in a cave in and turn to cannibalism?
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By: Donna on August 27, 2011
at 6:14 PM
Right delurkergurl.
Disco Duck has to be on the all time list of bad songs. Rico Suave is up there too.
I agree about “Friday” and “I’m Not Lisa.”
I like “Last Friday Night” by Katy Perry, though. The video is good too. It includes Kenny G, Hanson, and the long version has Cory Feldman and Debbie Gibson.
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 5:56 PM
I appreciate the links that have been posted. Some are ones I hadn’t seen. I think part of the tone some have observed has been more about not wanting to hear other versions of stories. I hear the same tone from them! At any rate, the links and alleged tone aren’t worse than what’s been seen here by “the other side”. Can’t priase the openness of this blog only when it means one side gets to be difficult, right?
As for bad songs, from the current crop I’d say that stupid “Friday” song tops my current list.
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By: delurkergurl on August 27, 2011
at 5:13 PM
worst songs? The ones that will send you flying across the room to turn off?
I nominate “I’m Not Lisa.”
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By: Donna on August 27, 2011
at 3:23 PM
President Obama took out the NUMBER 2 Al Qaida operative!!!
What a bad ass! Competence is such a great thing! (Why couldn’t Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld find Bin Laden and friends?)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44298750/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/#.TllbCs1dEby
Anon: I SEE YOU ARE TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN
your obviously an angry person go be mad. You want to twist what I say and not take it at face value, go for it, You obviously have something to prove. /moves on.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 27, 2011
at 3:12 PM
Alaskaipi you are a class act, and your taste in music is similar to mine. I’d like what I know of you even if you thought Rick Perry was the second coming.
Anon, you seem like a good person. In the words of Rodney King, “Can’t we all get along?”
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 3:04 PM
alaskapi, your obviously an angry person go be mad. You want to twist what I say and not take it at face value, go for it, You obviously have something to prove. /moves on.
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 2:31 PM
Conversation can go on regardless of I Report. just converse and scroll.
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By: alaskapi on August 27, 2011
at 1:50 PM
It has nothing to do with what side he is on. It has everything to do with being disruptive. Maybe you are to blinded by politics to see that.
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anon @ 12:01-
Pffft. Your first set of remarks today make it obvious it has some to do with what side s/he is on.
And accusing me of blindness because of politics keeps it there.
Backpedalling to it being-all-about-disruption is kinda passive aggressive, no?
I didn’t join in with folks I like a great deal and agree with politically when they got discomfited by James and UAW, et al to the point of agitating for them to go. I stood up for Noah’s basic rights even though so many of his posted comments drove me crazy. I ignored Tex in his various incarnations with one lil weak moment somewhere along the way.
Ignore people, call them out. Stay away from the voting-people-off-the-island thingy.
James –
I’ve always liked Neil Young and partly because of the attention he has long given small farmers and their plight.
I like strange old Tom Waits too- he makes me smile the way he stretches boundaries in music.
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By: alaskapi on August 27, 2011
at 1:38 PM
I have made no personal judgements on I Report, I do not know the person so anything I would say would be moot. I am only commenting on his activities. They are random, , unfocused and unrelenting. He doesn’t care if he posts the truth, doesn’t care to discuss what he posts. He seems to be posting for the sake of posting. I think actions like his discourage conversation because he keeps flooding this page with so many different topics. I think his tone strongly suggests a malicious intent.
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 1:08 PM
I agree alsakapi. I like some of Neil Young’s work, and even better he was active in Farm Aid when many farmers were struggling with insolvency.
The song about strangling bad days is strange but I like it. I never looked at bad days that way.
I think Eileen is a fitting song for this weekend, and as an occasional storm chaser, I like Clint Black’s song.
“Those people round here wear beaten down eyes
Sunk in smoke dried faces they’re so resigned to what their fate is
But not us, no not us we are far to young and clever
Eileen, I’ll hum this tune forever
Come on Eileen, I swear, well he means
At this moment you mean everything
With you in that dress, my thoughts I confess
Ah come on Eileen.
Dexy’s Midnighst Runners
“i never liked the rain until I walked through it with you
Every thunder cloud that came was one more I might not get through
On the darkest day there’s always light and now I see it too
But I never liked the rain until I walked through it with you
I hear it falling in the night and filling up my mind
All the heaven’s rivers come to light I see it unwind
I hear it talking through the trees and on the window pane
When I hear it, I just can’t believe I never liked the rain
When the cloud is rolling over thunder striking me
Its as bright as lighting and I wonder why I couldn’t see
That its always good and when the flood is gone we still remain
Like the rain I have fallen for you and I know just why you
Like the rain…”
Clint Black
Anon, I understand your point. However, a year ago, I was on the border with pneumonia, and a year ago yesterday a fever and or shortage of oxygen let my wife and me meet again when we were teenagers. Some people were sympathetic. Others gloated.
People, at one time or another called me names. One speculated that I might be a child or spouse abuser. Jackass, tea bagger, and troll were popular too. I decided to make some of them hate me so fiercely that they couldn’t stand to write on the same blog I was on. They even tried to vote me off the site.
They are largely gone, now and the conservatives and liberals who proved to be more determined and nicer remain.
That is why I have no problem with I report you decide.He/she has not personally attacked anyone that I know of. I don’t care what people write as long as they are polite.
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 12:21 PM
It has nothing to do with what side he is on. It has everything to do with being disruptive. Maybe you are to blinded by politics to see that.
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 12:01 PM
Oh, for crying out loud anony @10:26-
There’s no voting to ban people “from the board” here. Only the most egregious flamers have ever been banned by the blog owners.
Propaganda against the Republicans? Pffft!
We’ve sat through plenty of the opposite here. You want to get your britches in a twist over any of it, respond with something which makes you feel like you’ve righted a wrong. That’s how it works.
Or scroll on by.
Or find a blog which moderates comments in a way you like.
Helen and Margaret have allowed us all to yap our heads off here, no matter what side of the fence we’re on or whether we make sense or not. That’s the way it is.
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By: alaskapi on August 27, 2011
at 10:47 AM
Sorry James I have to vehemently disagree with you, This guy has diarrhea of the post issues. He isn’t here to discuss anything. He has been proven to post utter nonsense and even blatant lies and has not once stepped up to admit he was wrong or apologize for spreading false information. He is some pawn for the Democratic party out to spread propaganda about the Republicans. He is a destructive force with no positive contribution. I cast my vote in the affirmative to have him banned from this board.
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 10:26 AM
James-
In no way intended to make light of angry Irene :
Hoping all who visit here who may be in the path of the storm are safe and sound.
Evelyn- There is a remedy to comments one finds tedious and getting to comments one wants to read as long as our scroll fingers work.
Don’t let your bad days grow
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By: alaskapi on August 27, 2011
at 10:24 AM
John McCain tried to get arms to Gaddafi a few years ago. Why is he badmouthing President Obama for helping to end a conflict against a tyrant in only 6 months? Just your usual political bluster by McCain.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/wikileaks-cable-shows-john-mccain-pu
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 27, 2011
at 9:45 AM
Since no meth was visibly consumed, no young male hookers were injured in the making of those photo’s, no snorkles or other deep sea diving gear was found on him, he didn’t asphixiated himelf, and wasn’t found dead hanging from the shower curtain rack by the minimum wage maid at the “No-tell Motel,” he’ll be ok.
Not now – but later.
First, he’ll disappear for awhile, to be with his family.
Jesus will tell him he’ll forgive him if he goes to Marcus Bachmann and ‘prays his gay away.’
Then he’ll come back and tell everyone that Jesus forgave him, that he’s back on the ‘straight’ and narrow, and that this was just another example of the temptation that the Liberal Satan puts in front of good Christian Conservatives like himself.
He’ll do a few tearful “Forgive me… I’ve sinned, I’ve sinned, I’ve sinned…”
And, since Jesus could forgive him, you could to – by contributing to his next election campaign, where he promises he’ll really tear into the asses of those evil, evil gays – but won’t be stupid enough to get photographed doing it.
Or will he get the Anthony Weiner treatment. (Forgot – Weiner was sending pictures to women. Sorry forgot.)
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 27, 2011
at 9:28 AM
OMG: GOP ANTI GAY POLITICIAN POSTS ON A GAY HOOK UP SITE!!!
Say it isn’t so. (I am seeing a pattern here.)
http://crooksandliars.com/tina-dupuy/shocker-anti-gay-gop-state-senator-caug
It is interesting that the anti tax party is raising the pay roll tax on the poor working men and women.!
Please explain.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 27, 2011
at 9:16 AM
PAYROLL TAX suspension is about to run out. REPUBLICANS don’t want to extend it – WHY? It does stimulate the economy for the poor and they only care about the wealthiest 1%. The Republicans are set to drag the economy down as far as possible. (It was also an idea from President Obama.)
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 27, 2011
at 9:04 AM
NO PRoffsr
it’s Bush’s fault
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By: anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 8:51 AM
Alaskakpi, I hope you keep finding new music to send. I like your taste.
“Just an old half ton short bed Ford
My uncle bought new in ’64
Daddy got it right,
for the engine was smoking
Couple of burned valves
and he had it going
He let me drive her
and we’d haul off a load
on a dirt strip
where we dumped trash
I’d sit up in the seat
stretch my feet to the peddles
smiling like a hero
who just received his medal
It was just an old hand me down Ford
with a three speed on the column
and a dent on the door
A young boy
with two hands on the wheel
I can’t replace the way
it made me feel
and I would press that clutch
and I would keep it right
and he’d say
‘a little slower son
you’re doing just fine
just a dirt road
with trash on each side
but I was Mario Andretti
when Daddy let me drive.”
Allen Jackson wrote the song as a tribute to his father after he died.
LIbbysealy made a video featuring his father when he raced cars on weekends.
As one who by their accounts drove people from the site , I have no quarrel with I Report, You Decide. Granted he/she doesn’t usually engage in reactive discussion, and some of his/her links and opinions come from an alternate universe, but I am defending that person.
He/she is only one person. What gives him/her the power to force people to let him/her take over? The people who are complaining.
There are few bullies and name calling is almost gone. That is a good thing. I don’t miss those folks.
If we take Helen and Margaret at face value, both are old and of uncertain health. A husband recently died and a move followed. A wrenching emotional upheaval is rough, and the recovery time will be long. They may not feel like writing for a while.
Speaking of evolution, scientists now believe the small number of Neanderthal genes Europeans and Asians carry may not all be junk. One gene may have given us more resistance to various viral and bacterial diseases.
Last night, my wife and I attended a high school wide reunion. I tend to focus and shut the world out. A lounge singer who moved here from Britain performed, and she was good. I took a video of her, and she reacted. Later, when I talked to a friend, and didn’t pay attention to her, she walked up behind and put her arm around me. My wife said she didn’t know I could still blush, and everyone laughed.
One of my classmates was a vivacious young girl in school and an unknown cousin of my wife’s. She has Lou Gehrings Disease, and we all passed around a book to write letters of encouragement. I hadn’t seen her for years. Another classmate told me she is on a feeding tube.
My cousin from Florida cried as she told me how her husband in a nursing home with Alzhiemers disease doesn’t always recognize her or the children and thinks how it must feel for him to be in what he things is a strange place with unknown people tending to and visiting him. She wishes he would smother under his pillow.
Sometimes, life is brutal, mean, and long.
So, with that in prospective, I report, you decide, who has never called me a name is not a problem for me.
Poolman, the east coast has already had an earth quake, a hurricane and now, California has had a small earth quake, and we haven’t even read the book yet. “You ain’t seen nothing yet.”is true.
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By: James on August 27, 2011
at 8:25 AM
Yes, Margaret and Helen is evolving, isn’t it? Not always a good thing, you know. What was that thing called, Australopithecus Robustus, I believe? An evolutionary dead end?
I believe – HT to Jimmy Carter – the “maiaise” is on account of the lack of posts by the owners – idle hands and the Devil’s workshop and all that…I thought Helen had promised posts more often than once in a blue moon…what happened to that idea?
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By: PFesser on August 27, 2011
at 6:35 AM
It is time for this reader to move on. What was once an interesting place to read interesting opinions has now become just another political page with links to news stories.
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By: Anonymous on August 27, 2011
at 5:26 AM
Totally Awesome!!! Let’s review…
In My Time Lies And Quotes From Cheney And Neocon Pundits
You think the earth’s shaking now?
We ain’t seen nothing yet! 😉
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By: poolman on August 26, 2011
at 9:30 PM
New POLLS show GOP being blamed for gridlock in DC
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/26/poll-suggests-americans-starting-to-blame-gop-for-gridlock/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 9:28 PM
42 Million dollars given to make up the Islamaphobia scare in the US.
Millions are not spent on the Christian warrior movement so it is not a big deal. Names are named.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/cfap-report-42-million-seven-foundations-h
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 9:20 PM
how is being anonymous cowardly out of curiosity? Have you seen people go at each other on here? It gets ugly. Can’t imagine why anyone would willingly subject themselves to that kind of abuse by tagging themselves.
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By: Anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 8:55 PM
Evelyn on August 26, 2011
at 6:48 PM
Oh! I thought you were talking about all the “anonymous” cowards on this blog.
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By: EMax on August 26, 2011
at 8:40 PM
HAHAHAHAHA…
Shoot. Doesn’t even mention Beck anywhere in the entire article.
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By: anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 7:42 PM
Sadly, no. He is accomplishing what he apparently wants to accomplish: driving people off the blog. I have not seen anyone express appreciatin for the repeated links. I, and at least two people, have asked that he stop. Anyone who was not out to antagonize people from the blog would respect that. Too bad–but I certainly can find my own links if I care to.
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By: Evelyn on August 26, 2011
at 7:36 PM
I take it there is no possible way to block this guy so I don’t need to read another of his posts?
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By: Anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 7:27 PM
Christian warriors who shoot people or are trying to bomb or burn houses or places of worship are terrorists! Why do we downplay Christian terrorists?
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/christian-warrior-charged-firebombing-oregon
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 6:55 PM
I Report: I did state my disagreement. My disagreement is that you are hogging the blog–as rude here as it would be to monopolize the conversation at a dinner party. I don’t object to the substance of your post. In fact, I agree with much of it. But perhaps, rather than constantly posting links, you might offer your own original thoughts and engage in a give an take.
I’m not upset in the least. I do believe you are being discourteous and asked you to reduce the number of links you post. At least one person indicated he agreed with me–perhaps more do. And so, if you are a nice and well-meaning person, perhaps you’ll respect that. Thank you.
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By: Evelyn on August 26, 2011
at 6:48 PM
Fox and Friends says the Facts show climate change is real but that does not matter because Gov Perry says they are not real and that is good enough for FOX viewers. Interesting
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/fox-news-facts-argue-reality-global-w
Let’s dumb down science and pray away climate change while we let Texas and the Koch Brothers pollute to fill their bank accounts. Sad thing is, our children and grand chlidren will pay the price with polluted air, water loss of trees and wildlife.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 6:46 PM
Evelyn –
So you and anon are upset at information?
Have you read Helen’s blog by chance? If you read Helen’s blog and then read the links I provide, I think you will find she would approve of the links.
I guess I see you and anon getting upset for little or nothing. Freedom of speech – remember that. You disagree – fine, state your disagreement.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 6:28 PM
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By: alaskapi on August 26, 2011
at 12:39 PM
Obama administration is now negotiating a “pact” with the government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai that could leave American military “trainers” — thousands of them — as well as special operations forces, and the U.S. Air Force settled into some of the enormous Afghan bases the Pentagon has built there until… 2024.
http://www.alternet.org/world/152146/details_of_secret_pact_emerge%3A_troops_stuck_in_afghanistan_until_2024
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By: anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 12:21 PM
so what jobs won’t Americans do?????
or is it jobs that Dems won’t do….
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/49_say_illegal_immigrants_perform_jobs_u_s_citizens_won_t_do
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By: anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 12:11 PM
did you let the township assessor know that you dug a well…..I don’t know about where you live but improvements are taxed here(MI)…..
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By: anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 12:08 PM
Maybe this isn’t new everywhere, but I live in a rural area, I have no city services of any kind other than electric. I use pellets for heating, well water on my own property that I drilled for with the help of a friend. I have never to my knowledge paid a tax for this well.
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By: Anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 11:00 AM
Trying to tax people with wells?????????
I’ve been paying taxes on my well for over 35 years…….Its part of property taxes……and it water!!!!!and the septic field gets taxed also……
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By: anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 10:34 AM
Thanks, Pfesser (and apologies for the unintended double post). I don’t mind the occasional link either.
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By: Evelyn on August 26, 2011
at 9:25 AM
Evelyn –
I think the links are really helpful sometimes, but I’m like you – I am more interested in what people have to say than chasing links down.
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By: Pfesser on August 26, 2011
at 9:05 AM
I just saw your post suggesting that someone leave the site if they don’t appreciate your links. That suggests that you really are not sincerely trying to make points about your views but that, in fact, you are trying to disrupt the blog and discourage people from being here. If you continue, you really are as pathetic as those such as “Noah,” who announced his departure but still haunts the blog.
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By: Evelyn on August 26, 2011
at 9:02 AM
I just saw your post suggesting that someone leave the site if they don’t appreciate your links. That suggests that you really are not sincerely trying to make points about your views but that, in fact, you are trying to disrupt the blog and discourage people from being here. If you continue, you really are as pathetic as those such as “Noah,” who announced his departure but still haunts the blog.
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By: Evelyn on August 26, 2011
at 9:02 AM
I Report: There appear to be two options. First, you are sincere. If so, please give it a rest. You are hogging the blog to the point where your message is lost. Second, you are trying to make the point that others have been posting too many links. If so, you have made your point.
There is a third possibility: that you are just trying to piss people off and drive them off the blog. I hope that is not the case.
Regardless of your motive, I ask that you stop posting links. Whether or not I agree with some of the points of view you purport to express is irrelevant: you are being really rude.
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By: Evelyn on August 26, 2011
at 8:50 AM
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/08/jobs-jobs-jobs
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 8:25 AM
8 Ways Conservatives Abuse History ,,, and the Truth
http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/152131/8_ways_conservatives_abuse_history_…_and_the_truth/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 8:03 AM
Why would Rick Perry Put the World on the Fast Track to total Meltdown?
http://www.alternet.org/story/152149/why_rick_perry_would_put_the_world_on_a_fast_track_to_total_meltdown?akid=7470.294211.DSqofX&rd=1&t=5
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 7:50 AM
Koch Brothers are fighting regulations – DO THEY WANT A MAJOR CHEMICAL DISASTER?
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/08/24/do-the-koch-brothers-want-a-toxic-disaster/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 7:45 AM
Are we like or hated in Afghanistan?
http://leftwingnutjob.net/2011/08/why-do-they-hate-us-how-many-afghanis-have-been-killed-in-our-10-year-reign-of-terror/
Anon: easy solution – leave the site to answer your question
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 7:35 AM
Here is a nifty law they are tying to pass. They are trying to tax people who own wells. Their claim is that the property owners do not own the land that far underground, that the land belongs to the government, and so should be taxed accordingly. Govt. Kiss my Arse. Liberals, Kiss my Arse. Whats next, the water flowing through river on my property at some point crossed through government land so belongs to the government and I should be taxed for that?
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By: Anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 7:17 AM
Anyone know of a way to block a poster so you can no longer see their posts?
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By: Anonymous on August 26, 2011
at 5:28 AM
ALEC – How Corporattions are ripping off the USA
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/government-corruption/your-tax-dollars-used-to-screw-you.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 3:30 AM
A judge you can believe in – Texas style
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/25/and-even-more-in-love-with-judge-sam-sparks/
Re: Subjugation of women by the extreme Right Wing Republicans in Texas, led by Gov. Rick Perry.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 3:18 AM
Eric Cantor is an idiot!
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/25/yes-virginia-there-really-is-an-eric-cantor/
Offsets? The dude is already looking for offsets?
Hey Cantor, let’s start with your salary and staff. Next, let’s quit paying for protection for the House of Representatives in DeeCee – all you gun nuts are armed anyway. Third, shut down the House gym and the cafeteria and dump you guys off government health care.
Hey Eric, give us a call when the locusts get there. And if 4 horsemen show up, run like hell.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 3:12 AM
This is a song of beauty! You will sing along and it will stay with you for days!
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/25/best-you-tube-ever-right-here-turn-up-the-sound/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 26, 2011
at 3:00 AM
How many more lies do we have to bust you in before you realize you no longer have any credibility? At least change your name to I Lie, we’ve decided.
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By: Anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 8:24 PM
wow….shadowy right wing groups form 501(c)s…….and shadowy left wing groups form truth-out.org a 501(c)
go figure
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By: anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 8:21 PM
How Shadowy Right Wing Groups our National Embrace of Debt Reduction over Job Creation! Good Information
http://www.truth-out.org/white-house-should-reject-big-business-fiction-job-crisis-due-excessive-regulation/1314195100?q=how-shadowy-right-wing-front-groups-engineered-our-national-embrace-debt-reduction-over-job-creation
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 7:15 PM
Could Huntsman be considering a third party run?
http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns/common-sense/could-third-party-tremors-result-in-a-2012-political-earthquake–20110824
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 6:59 PM
This is crazy! This is very crazy!!!
The Teaparty was able to disrupt and raise hell during town hall meetings and if they were asked to stop the Democrat was called out.
Today, A Republican is asked to answer questions in a much less severe manner and cameras are taken. Why the difference? Dems can be called rotten names but Republicans cannot be asked questions by average citizens??? Why the difference?
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/cameras-taken-during-rep-chabot-r-oh-town-h
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 6:02 PM
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By: anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 4:17 PM
Nancy Pelosi on Deficit – Jan, 2007
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By: anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 3:31 PM
If you want to get things done – call President Obama. Gone: Bin Laden
Out of office: Gaddafi.
Would that ‘getting things done’ include getting your own soldiers killed?
President Obama has a fabulous record of a 500% increase in American soldiers being killed in Afghanistan.
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By: Dave James on August 25, 2011
at 2:17 PM
Sadly Liberals would have you believe anyone who achieves the American dream is a villain to be defeated. Success is a crime, didn’t you know?
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By: Anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 1:32 PM
“I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” — Benjamin Franklin
The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.” — Benjamin Franklin
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By: anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 1:19 PM
the founding fathers did what????
When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
-Benjamin Franklin
http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/founding-fathers-on-charity-wealth-redistribution-and-federal-govt/
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By: anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 11:42 AM
The 6:18 AM weather comments were mine.
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By: James on August 25, 2011
at 10:46 AM
Sorry your hack website @ 9:01am is about the worst on the net. They have been discredited so often by so many other organizations they are a joke to most anyone who gives value to truth in reporting.
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By: Anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 10:12 AM
This link goes with the above post
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/after-sucking-gadhafi-mccain-and-lieberman
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 9:01 AM
The Right Wing supported Gaddafi 18 months ago and were trying to get him his weapons and planes.
WHO TOOK OUT GADDAFI IN 6 MONTHS? President Obama and the Coalition of course.
It would have been nice if we had great leaders and direction during the start of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.. GW Bush gave us Rumsfeld who was inept and created wars which would go on well beyond the 2 years they said it would take.
If you want to get things done – call President Obama. Gone: Bin Laden
Out of office: Gaddafi
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 8:55 AM
Like the rest of the junk you post this article is just bunk. No historical mention of the founding fathers supporting socialism or wealth redistribution.
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By: Anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 8:38 AM
People don’t believe in redistribution of wealth because it is morally wrong. To bad this simple concept eludes you.
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By: Anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 8:33 AM
Mitt Romney is playing his wealthy card!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-wonders-if-mitt-romney-has-d
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 8:20 AM
Interesting thoughts over a wide range of topics.
http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2011/08/grand-bargains-presidential-abdication-and-wednesday-open-thread.html
– This was a really excellent piece in the Washington Post by Alexander Keyssar about the complete unraveling of the social contract in America. Keyssar posits that the American social contract consisted of three important components — 1) the regulation of business to stop the excesses of capitalism that threatened the safety and stability of society; 2) the allowance for workers to organize in order to demand a greater share of the pie created by capitalism; and 3) social insurance to alleviate the hardships that could not be addressed in the marketplace or workplace. He argues in this article that all three of these pillars of the social contract, which have been under attack for decades, are now seriously threatened. Moreover, he points out that things like the Citizens United decision, the Republican pushed voter ID laws, and the attacks on the 17th Amendment and the direct election of senators, constitute an attack on democracy itself. A world in which this social contract is destroyed and the electoral means to rectify it made difficult, if not impossible, is not a world in which I am anxious to live.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 7:58 AM
The Founding Fathers Believed in Redistributing Wealth – Why do Tea party Heroes like Perry and Bachmann vilify it? Interesting facts to consider.
http://www.alternet.org/story/152148/the_founding_fathers_believed_in_redistributing_wealth_–_why_do_tea_party_heroes_like_perry_and_bachmann_vilify_it?akid=7466.294211.zrq67e&rd=1&t=8
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 7:46 AM
Koch brother use their Billions to buy up negative URLs. Must be great to be Billionaires. People say something you don;t like, buy out their forum to quiet them. Democracy – Right Wing Billionaire style.
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/08/23/the-kochs-are-scared-and-theyve-bought-the-web-domains-to-prove-it/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 7:35 AM
How Rick Perry created the 27 Billion dollar deficit he recently faced because of tax cuts to businesses he gave away in the past. The next legislative session faces a 10 to 18 Billion dollar deficit as well. His tax cuts DID NOT produce increased tax revenues, which is what he said at the time.
http://www.realecontv.com/videos/government-corruption/sec-shreds-wall-street-crimes.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 7:19 AM
Praying for rain and not believing in climate change are two different issues. One doesn’t have much to do with the other. Texas is dry because the Plains have regular wet and dry cycles. Prayers to La nina would do as good as prayers to God, because La nina gave the South its drought and us the heavy rain and snow which gave us our months’ long flood.
. La nina may resume in the fall. If Perry prayed to La Nina, and the Corps of Engineers, his prayers would be just as effective.
I don’t think Rick Perry would be a good president. However, Democrats “preferred to choose someone like themselves than someone actually qualified for the job.” I don’t see the distinction.
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By: Anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 6:18 AM
Matt Taibbi on how political appointees from Wall Street STOPPED INVESTIGATIONS of wrongdoing by Bernie Madoff and Big Banks and then had any evidence shredded. Every investigation had to start over with no information of past wrong doing on record. The person who shredded the investigation then took a high paying job with Wall Street or a Big Bank.
http://www.realecontv.com/videos/government-corruption/sec-shreds-wall-street-crimes.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 25, 2011
at 3:44 AM
Ed Schultz.. He is so very great!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/18/jon-stewart-rips-ed-schultz_n_930618.html
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By: anonymous on August 25, 2011
at 1:16 AM
Considering the posts of late, the dishonesty, the twisting, the name calling and character assassination, what have I learned? I would elect Adolf Hitler if he ran Republican before I would vote Democrat. This blog was all I ever needed to know about the Liberal frame of mind. How can anyone ever trust these people. Thanks for the education. Off to bigger and better.
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By: Anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 10:48 PM
Rick Perry according to Richard Dawkins! Words of beauty!
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/24/good-words/
There is nothing unusual about Governor Rick Perry. Uneducated fools can be found in every country and every period of history, and they are not unknown in high office. What is unusual about today’s Republican party (I disavow the ridiculous ‘GOP’ nickname, because the party of Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has lately forfeited all claim to be considered ‘grand’) is this: In any other party and in any other country, an individual may occasionally rise to the top in spite of being an uneducated ignoramus. In today’s Republican Party ‘in spite of’ is not the phrase we need. Ignorance and lack of education are positive qualifications, bordering on obligatory. Intellect, knowledge and linguistic mastery are mistrusted by Republican voters, who, when choosing a president, would apparently prefer someone like themselves over someone actually qualified for the job.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 10:19 PM
Rick Perry says he does not believe in Climate Change. The next day he is praying for rain.
Question: Is God punishing Gov Perry for his stupid ideas?
Why has God Chosen to not give rain to Texas?
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 10:03 PM
Sister Toldjah cited Obama’s speech on July 3, 2008.
“The problem is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children….That’s irresponsible. Its unpatriotic.”
Senator Obama also voted not to raise the deficit ceiling.
Peter Kirsanow wondered “Is Obama’s raising the national debt by $4 trillion irresponsible? Is it unpatriotic ? Or do the new rules regarding civility in public discourse render such questions especially when uttered by Tea Partiers/gterorists irresponsible and unpatriotic.?”
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By: Anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 9:38 PM
Ben Stein on raising taxes on the wealthy! He says of course it needs to be done.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/bben-stein-destroys-bill-oreillys-idea-
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 9:32 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, anonymous.
If you’re into that sort of thing, you might want to try Templeton Rye, if you can find it.. It was one of Al Capone’s favorite brews and was popular in Omaha, Chicago, Kansas City and other speakeasies.
It was first distilled near Carroll, Iowa, and a few years ago Templeton Rye was re- introduced as a brand of whiskey based on a prohibition recipe. We toured the plant a couple of years ago, and got free samples–two shot glasses if we wanted. It was smooth.
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By: Anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 9:27 PM
Ed Schultz.. He is so very great!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-republicans-only-wrap-themselve
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 9:18 PM
James…
I had some (and recommend) Great River Brewery Redband Stout and Straight Pipe Stout…….liked the Redband better…..the brewery is in Davenport…..
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By: anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 8:07 PM
I am sure the Libs will vote to nuke them, after all they don’t contribute to their political campaigns or vote. In liberal eyes that makes them expendable/exploitable.
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By: Anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 8:04 PM
you report…I decided!!!!
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By: anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 7:08 PM
lmao what a liberal hack site I Report, You Decide! your name is as f+cked up as that article. you don’t leave anything to be decided. its commi pink liberal propaganda. what a joke.
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By: Anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 7:00 PM
Lets just hope that friendship can blossom between our countries…..so we don’t have to nuke the F#$K out of them….
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By: anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 6:25 PM
Conservative Republicans denounce Sharia law in Libya but SHARIA LAW IN IRAQ IS OK! Right.
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/conservatives-denounce-sharia-law-libya
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 6:09 PM
Cynthia, if you’re still out there, here is one for you. In my imagination, it sort of fits with the Dash.
“When friends are hard to find
And life seems so unkind
Sometimes you feel afraid
Just aim beyond the clouds
And start your own parade
“Cause when I chased
my fears away
That’s when I knew
that I could finally say
I made it through the rain
and kept my world protected
I made it through the rain
I kept my point of view
I made it through the rain
And found myself respected
by the others who got rained on too
And made it through”
Barry Manilow
One of the television networks played his song as credits rolled after a show about the release of our hostages in Iran.
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By: James on August 24, 2011
at 2:36 PM
I Report, You Decide! 8:30
Your rantings on the war, it is misrepresented, misinformation, and politically motivated and skewed.
The war was not run poorly. We failed to see the greater ramifications of nation building with a people not ready for what we had to offer. That is an honest assessment of the situation, not politically motivated as yours is.
As far as what crashed the economy. Who was in charge of the Financial Services and Banking in congress? Answer: the Democrats. To imply everything is the Republicans and Bushs fault is to also say that the Democrat party was and is completely impotent and I dare say negligent if all these terrible things happened on their watch while they were in control.
You my friend like so many on here have Liberal beer goggles. You do not care what is right, you care nothing for the truth, and you care nothing for this country. Your only concern is the defeat of the opposition and the total domination of your party. It is sad to find you in this place where ignorance has taken you, because you fail to realize your Liberal masters are taking you down a merry walk into servitude and dependency.
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By: Anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 1:37 PM
Cynthia, that was beautiful. Thank you.
I report you decide, Mark Knoller explained that the deficit did not increase as fast even with the war, tax cuts, and the prescription drugs boondoggle as it did after the Democrats took power. The numbers support his argument.
Weapons of mass destruction and Rumsfeld are irrelevant to the discussion. The wars contributed to the deficit, but so did a lot of programs. Knoller shows they did, but he also illustrates how our financial problems worsened quite recently after the Democrats took over.
He also stated some of the increased spending was a reaction to the crash.
I showed in an earlier post how policies originating in the Democratic party helped cause our economic collapse. Republicans tried to persuade Congress to further regulate Fannie and Fredie. They refused. Republicans share blame of course, but de- regulation did not crash the economy. It was the instrument which let bad debt circulate around the world. Bed debt multiplied crashed the economy.
“Bush is to blame for 60 per cent of the current deficit.” Say it while you can.
You seem smart enough, and you can think. I don’t believe anyone here could argue the sky is green better than you.
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By: James on August 24, 2011
at 1:05 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx
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By: anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 9:32 AM
Presidential Approval Index rating of -23
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
71% Say Too Many People Get Welfare Who Shouldn’t
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/august_2011/71_say_too_many_people_get_welfare_who_shouldn_t
Voters Put Border Control Ahead of Amnesty by 2-1 Margin
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/voters_put_border_control_ahead_of_amnesty_by_2_1_margin
Only 20% Think Government Anti-Poverty Programs Really Work
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/only_20_think_government_anti_poverty_programs_really_work
15% Say U.S. Heading In Right Direction
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track
Partisan Trends: 34.8% of Americans are Democrats, 33.1% Republicans
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By: anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 9:16 AM
The Dash
I read of a man who stood to speak
at the funeral of a friend.
He referred to the dates on her tombstone
From the beginning…to the end.
He noted that first came her date of birth
And spoke the following date with tears, 1964-1994
But he said what mattered most of all
Was the dash between those years.
For that dash represents all the time
That she spent alive on earth.
And now only those who loved her
Know what that little line is worth.
For it matters not, how much we own;
The cars…the house…the cash,
What matters is how we live and love
And how we spend our dash.
So think about this long and hard.
Are there things you’d like to change?
For you never know how much time is left,
That can still be rearranged.
If we could just slow down enough
To consider what’s true and real,
And always try to understand
The way other people feel.
And be less quick to anger,
And show appreciation more
And love the people in our lives
Like we’ve never loved before.
If we treat each other with respect,
And more often wear a smile.
Remembering that this special dash
Might only last a little while.
So, when your eulogy’s being read
With your life’s actions to rehash.
Would you be proud of the things they say
About how you spent your dash?
By Linda Ellis: http://www.lindaellisonline.com/
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By: Cynthia on August 24, 2011
at 9:06 AM
Longer Weekends and higher wages will improve the economy! Interesting
http://www.alternet.org/story/152130/longer_weekends_and_higher_wages_5_surprising_ways_that_would_help_improve_the_economy?akid=7461.294211.jMz-HG&rd=1&t=8
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 9:04 AM
http://www.alternet.org/story/152144/matt_taibbi_on_the_explosive_investigation_revealing_the_sec%27s_cover-up_of_wall_street%27s_crimes?akid=7461.294211.jMz-HG&rd=1&t=2 Matt Taibbi on how the SEC was bought off so the destruction of the economy could take place. Wipe the slate clean after each investigation. The people who gave the wipe it clean order then got a million dollar job in the industry. SWEET DEAL – The economy sank and the middle class had their homes and lives taken.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 9:01 AM
Most Americans think it is insane to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and the poor. Bernie Sanders
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bernie-sanders-americans-think-its-insane
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 8:49 AM
Class warfare – The Rich are taking from the poor. The numbers show the Republican goal to crash the middle class is working.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/keith-olbermann-slams-hypocrite-eric-canto
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 8:46 AM
I thought cell phones were killing the bees….
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By: anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 8:36 AM
James:
Here are some other numbers: Bush tax cuts 1 Trillion + (70 Billion per year_
WMd- REMEMBER WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? You found them yet? 2 MILLION DOLLARS DUMPED INTO the war we got lied into because of Bush! Has this added to the deficit? YES
RUMSFELD: THE WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN WERE SO POORLY RUN THAN WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT. We were told we would be out of Iraq in two years. We were also told that the oil would pay for the war- right. Billions evaporated because of Bush’s decision to go into a war because of lies.
Bush Prescription drug policy has cost a Trillion+. It has been put on a credit card and the US cannot negotiate lower prices because Big Pharma insisted on that being thrown into the mix.
DE-REGULATION CRASHED THE ECONOMY! We let Corporations set the policy and they went for maximum cash. So the BAIL OUTS WERE A DIRECT RESULT OF BUSH POLICIES to the tune of Trillions.
BUSH IS TO BLAME FOR 60 PERCENT OF THE CURRENT DEFICIT.!!!
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 8:30 AM
Current Polling shows President Obama where Reagan and Clinton were during their first term. WHO HAS TERRIBLE POLL NUMBERS? REPUBLICANS and Congress.
http://personal-political.blogspot.com/2011/08/obamas-approval-rating-amazingly-still.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 8:03 AM
Why are the birds and bees dying? Shhhhh – Pesticides but don’t say anything because a corporation would lose money if the truth got out. Other countries have banned the pesticide but not the good old USA. Pesky science ignored again.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/government-corruption/why-the-birds-and-bees-are-dying.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 7:49 AM
The Treasury and CBS News says the US during Obama has added $4 trillion to the national debt. That approaches the record $4.9 trillion Bush set. The Obama administration is doing in 31 months what it took Bush 96 months to do.
Bush added an average of $51 billion per month to the debt while Obama has added $129 billion per month.
Mark Knoller listed Obama’s excuses.
Two wars we didn’t pay for
A prescription drug program for seniors we didn’t pay for
Tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 we didn’t pay for.
“Well, there are big problems with these excuses, chief among them that none of this explains the sharp difference between the rate of debt under Bush and under Obama.”
Deficit spending remained “under control” during the Bush years, and during his second term, deficit spending declined until the economic collapse occurred.
“So what changed? We’re spending more on entitlements, but not that much more. York argues that while conservatives are rightly focused on entitlements to solve the long term deficit, the rapid short increase is the result of a Democratic spending spree.”
“The deficits were largely the result not of entitlements but of an explosion in spending related to the economic down turn and the rise of Democrats to power in Washington.
Spending for Social Security and Medicare went up from $162 billion and $119 billion respectively but by incremental and predictable amounts.
Republicans ran the House for 12 years, and they added $3.873 trillion to the national debt. Their average was $330.17 billion per year. During the Bush era, they added $533.5 billion per year. Democrats in control of Congress during Bush/Obama have added an average of $1.48 trillion per year.
“Its an astonishing explosion of federal spending, much of it in the increased regulation that’s strangling growth.”
Hot Air “Obama set to beat Bush debt aggregation record”
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By: James on August 24, 2011
at 7:14 AM
I read Conscience of a Conservative in college, and Barry Goldwater was the first politition who like Hillary Clinton, I campaigned for. A cadre of idealistic college students liked Goldwater.
He and Kennedy were friends, and before Kennedy was murdered, Goldwater led in some polls.
He made intemporate statements such as the east coast ought to be cut from North America and set adrift. He also suggested tactical nuclear weapons would quickly end the war in Vietnam. I don’t think he was serious.
I do think the outcome of our war in Southeast Asia would have different. LBJ once said we were fighting in Vietnam to save face, and he was determined not to be a Democrat who lost a war. I don’t believe Goldwater would have felt the same way.
The LBJ administration and allies committed character assasination to win an election.
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By: James on August 24, 2011
at 6:46 AM
Obama, A foreign policy Chump? Or is it all on purpose? You decide.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45590
P.S. The conservatives got something just over nothing of what they wanted in this last deal. I understand you have a different political view but at least don’t go so far out of your way as to misrepresent the facts. This was a terrible deal for conservatives and the nation, thus our credit rating downgrade.
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By: Anonymous on August 24, 2011
at 5:18 AM
Should President Obama get credit for ordering air strikes in Libya? He had jets strike targets against the wishes of Republicans. The tyrant was taken out in 6 months. No Americans were killed. YES = THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/secret-fed-loans-reveal-d_n_934352.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 24, 2011
at 5:08 AM
Dearest Helen:
Just before I went across country to visit my dear friend of 43-years-and-counting, I sent her your August 1 blog. She rejoiced and toasted you back with her own favorite tipple, which isn’t gin and tonic but packs a punch nonetheless. She knows Texas — her brothers still live there. If I ever visit, I’ll think of you and Molly Ivins, and try not to think of Dubya at all. Just wanted to say thanks and we love you.
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By: Hekate on August 23, 2011
at 10:55 PM
The Tea Party folks are upset with Maxine Waters? Why? The Tea Party got 98% of what they wanted on the recent budget deal and the economy is sinking. Maxine’s district is getting hit hard. Maxine stated her 1st Amendment rights of free speech to call out those responsible for the economic difficulties her district faces. What names did the Tea party call President Obama? Let me think? Communist, fascist, and a few other choice words. Hmmmmmmm
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/teabaggers-upset-that-rep-maxine-waters.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 10:17 PM
The GOP are destroying the American Dream!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/liberal-ad-campaign-accus_n_934492.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 9:58 PM
All the proof you will ever need proving conservatives and the Tea Party had it right all along. All you ever had to do is ask history.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45611
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By: Anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 9:24 PM
Today’s earthquake caused much less damage than Eric Cantor!
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/131f9031ba4d8cd5
Pfesser – Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave as well. The ReBiblicans really are a crazy bunch..
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 8:20 PM
If you want to understand what real conservatives think about the world, I highly recommend a book I have just started: The Conscience of a Conservative, by Barry Goldwater. Very old but very good. It was recommended by an old friend and I got it for my Kindle at a buck ninety-nine!
I had always bought into the stereotype of Goldwater as a right-wing nut case, but by chance ran across a documentary on his life on PBS a month or so ago and was VERY surprised by what I saw. Now the book. I am pleasantly surprised: he was an excellent writer and an accomplished thinker as well.
He must be spinning in his grave that the ReBiblicans now represent the conservative side. A real shame.
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By: pfesser53 on August 23, 2011
at 8:01 PM
While am on a Rupert roll, check this out!
Rupert tried to use News Corps to manipulate the news! He said it his own self.
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=341
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 7:55 PM
Rupert Murdoch personally told someone to follow someone! Did he lie to the committee that questioned him? Oh Darn!!! Caught possibly telling a lie? A billionaire would never lie? Would he?
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/former-editor-says-murdoch-personally-gave-o
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 7:48 PM
I think I see a pattern here!
President Obama goes to the Correspondents dinner and takes out Bin Laden.
President Obama goes on a date with his wife while on vacation and Libya is liberated.
I like the pattern.
Thank You President Obama!!!
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 7:43 PM
Major Drought in Oklahoma and Texas but we cannot talk about Climate Change and mans impact on weather. Weird earthquakes happen and water catches fire but we cannot talk about fracking. Interesting stuff
Pray it away!! That seems to be the Republican approach!!
http://crooksandliars.com/sarahburris/hottest-month-hottest-state-ever
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 7:38 PM
still reading
not an earthquake, it was Obama’s approval rating hitting bottom
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By: anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 6:16 PM
As all of DC leaves work at the same time, the United States experiences a brief economic recovery.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/top-politically-themed-earthquake-tweets
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By: anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 6:15 PM
What were you doing!!!!!! lifting a leg or having someone pull your finger,,,,,
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By: anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 1:41 PM
The east Coast centered in Virginia just had an earth quake. What were you DOING, Pfessor???
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By: James on August 23, 2011
at 12:21 PM
Further proof, there is no level a Liberal will not stoop to in order to discredit a candidate, NONE!
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45659
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By: Anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 11:49 AM
Noah is no more persuasive or intelligent now that he is posting as “Anonymous.” Of course, he–who is so enamored of “promises”–has broken his own commitment to stay away from this blog unless invited back by the hosts.
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By: Evelyn on August 23, 2011
at 11:43 AM
Thanks for that post at 9:02. Further proof Liberals have no intellectual ground to stand on so they resort to labeling candidates and name calling. Reminds me of my middle school playground.
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By: Anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 9:06 AM
Interesting
http://www.businessinsider.com/rick-perry-is-a-dope-michele-bachmann-is-a-joke-and-mitt-romney-is-a-fraud-2011-8;
Conservatives are saying that Rick Perry is a dope, Michelle Bachmann is a joke and Mitt Romney is a fraud. Interesting
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 9:02 AM
Eric Cantor is at it again!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/keith-olbermann-slams-hypocrite-eric-canto
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 8:41 AM
I Report, You Decide! You come across as a homophobe, a sexist, and a left wing wacko. Nuff said. You will take note that the blaze is one of many sources cited. But i guess you were too busy gay bashing to notice.
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By: Anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 8:13 AM
Is Grover Norquist whats wrong with America?
This is very important!
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2011/08/is-grover-norquist-whats-wrong-with.html
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 8:02 AM
Anon: You were making Anonymous a joke by posting THE BLAZE (That is a Gay sounding name BTW) so I had to change my name. I like: I REPORT, YOU DECIDE!
I liked Anonymous but you had to cheapen it with THE BLAZE – YUK!
You still in the closet? Go to Michelle Bachmann’s husbands clinic and they will cure you. I think the comment was ‘look at her breasts.’ says it all.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 7:53 AM
Republicans can find a loophole in the Ten Commandments and the Law of Gravity.
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/22/oh-debbie-riddle-me-this/
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 7:42 AM
Great Blog!!!!! Read the comments!
http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/22/oh-please-please-please/
I saw a post recently which suggested that Sarah Palin has accomplished her mission — to make crazzy seem common, ordinary, and unremarkable.
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 7:27 AM
The art, of being Presidential, as shown by G.W. Bush. Better take some notes Obama.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/flashback-george-w-bush-gives-golf-playi
I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander-in-chief playing golf,” Bush said. “I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them.”
Class dismissed.
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By: Anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 7:12 AM
Libya: Should President Obama get some credit?
Rick Perry wants to get rid of Social Security? (As we now know it)
http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2011_08_01_archive.html#8824983999504268478
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By: I Report, You Decide! on August 23, 2011
at 7:11 AM
Finally a Liberal who says it like it is. Look out folks, this is what Liberals are really about.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45683
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By: Anonymous on August 23, 2011
at 7:05 AM
Gaddafi FOUND – He is running for US President in NH as a Republican!
others gave him high marks for his grasp of history and geography, which most agreed was stronger than Michele Bachmann’s.
“Unfortunately for Muammar Gaddafi, he might be out of step with the current crop of Republican candidates,” one pollster said. “There’s a perception that he’s too moderate.”
http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/08/22/gaddafi-found-running-for-republican-nomination-2/
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By: Anon1 on August 23, 2011
at 6:55 AM
CORPORATE INTERESTS THREATEN CHILDREN’S WELFARE!
(I am not commenting because you can read it and make up your own mind.)
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By: Anon1 on August 23, 2011
at 6:45 AM
Wrong link on last one. will correct. In the meantime, Obama sits on trade deal handed to him on a silver platter by the Bush administration that would help create work for Americans for his own political needs. WTF?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45647
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 11:50 PM
Thanks Obama for helping send more American jobs overseas!
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45640
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 11:36 PM
God has a comment for Rick Perry.
http://crooksandliars.com/bluegal-aka-fran/open-thread-113
Anon: If Blaze is your big source, I feel sorry for you. Beck was too whacked out for FOX – he is your big source? Chuckle, chuckle
No wonder you must bully people, you have no ideas. BTW: Multiple topics is what is going on in this world. It would be wonderful to focus on one small issue but that is not what happens in the real world.
Get back on your meds please, you are getting more pathetic by the day.
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By: Anon1 on August 22, 2011
at 10:02 PM
Crashing poll numbers for the President indicate that his “blame game” strategy is not working. Obama persistently lays all responsibility for the nation’s woes on former President Bush, Republicans, the Tea Party, Congress, Wall Street, talk radio and Fox News. Last week, he added “bad luck” to the list.
But the American people aren’t buying it, according to public opinion surveys showing the president’s Popularity sinking below 30%.
That’s sent the White House scurrying back to the drawing board. The President this week promised that, just as soon as he finishes his vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, he’ll roll out a specific plan to jump-start the economy this fall.
No need to rush on job creation, Mr. President. Rest well. Blaming others for your own failures can be very tiring. Very tiring, indeed.
As reported by Brian Darling @ http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45649
Amazing how the truth can make for such an easy read.
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 9:12 PM
Nice to know this administration is so understanding. Take for example their complete understanding and support of China’s mandatory abortion policy.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45690
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 9:06 PM
And here I thought we were a nation of laws? NO man, is above the law. Well, except for Obama it seems.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-orders-his-own-version-of-the-dream-act-video/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 9:01 PM
And Liberals with yet another way to pay for their on going policy to buy elections.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/afl-cio-looking-to-launch-super-pac-to-boost-influence/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 8:58 PM
Rep. Gordon Hintz says he’s so (expletive) sorry
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117153083.html
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By: anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 8:53 PM
Thanks to our conservative citizens from many walks of life, a great blow has been dealt to the Liberals and a great victory won for freedom. No longer can Liberals force their rhetoric upon us.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/victory-for-free-speech-fcc-officially-kills-fairness-doctrine/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 8:51 PM
Interesting. So Obama, and his fabled doctrine are alone responsible for all of these victories Anon? Did he by chance have a cape and boots on while achieving these great victories all by him self? I mean no other countries were involved right? Because I am sure you would have given credit where credit was due yes? I could have sword in the case of Bin Ladin, our brave solders in the field, who were actually getting shot at, putting their lives on the line, were a tad more responsible than Obama, just my opinion.
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 8:47 PM
LIBYA ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE OBAMA DOCTRINE!! I like the quiet but direct way President Obama made his announcement!! Thank You President Obama!
http://www.politicususa.com/en/libya-obama-doctrine
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 8:32 PM
President Obama makes an announcement about Libya and he is not wearing a jump suit and flying in on a fighter jet! I like the low key factual way of dealing with dealing with a rogue leader. Thank You President Obama for the update!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/president-obama-announces-that-qaddafi.html
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 8:06 PM
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By: poolman on August 22, 2011
at 7:55 PM
Corporations want tax cuts so they can create jobs. HONESTLY, HOW MANY JOBS HAVE THEY SENT OVERSEAS IN THE LAST 10 YEARS? I think the above question needs to be answered.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/us-businesses-push-job-creation-tax-c
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 7:35 PM
Well said…well said.
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 3:25 PM
What a great article. Race and politics, articulated better than anyone else has in a long time.
http://townhall.com/columnists/starparker/2011/08/22/blacks_dilemma_with_obama
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 1:52 PM
Lets take a look at our fair minded Liberals and how they deal with political opposition.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/helenwhalen%20cohen/2011/08/21/you_tea_partiers_are_like_a_disease
&
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/helenwhalen%20cohen/2011/08/21/maxine_waters_the_tea_party_can_go_straight_to_hell
Class act these people.
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 1:25 PM
Ignore the rhetoric. If you really want a read on how the economy and the dollar is doing, just look at gold. The higher gold is, the weaker the dollar is.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gold-nears-1900-an-ounce/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 1:16 PM
poolman on August 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM
My thoughts too. But it is funny to see the reaction from them when the same sort of rhetoric they spew all the time gets hurled back at them. Their indignation is laughable.
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By: jsri on August 22, 2011
at 12:49 PM
TheBlaze is nothing more than a right wing shock rag. You can pass it by and suffer no penalty. Read it and your brain might explode.
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By: Mr. TT on August 22, 2011
at 12:46 PM
Even at the highest level of this administration, apparently the buck doesn’t stop there. The party of no personal responsibility.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-blames-his-low-approval-ratings-on-unhappiness-with-washington/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 12:31 PM
Lets set the record straight on Gov. Perry. Not this half truth story the liberal media have been feeding everyone.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rick-perry-secessionist-secede-gibbs-obama/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 12:19 PM
What is the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative you ask? A Liberal campaigns and promises change, A Conservative goes out and causes change to happen.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-launches-week-of-restoring-courage-events-from-israel/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 10:26 AM
Its time this administration wake up and start dealing with what is coming.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/are-we-headed-for-a-double-dip-recession-its-possible/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 10:22 AM
While Joe Biden was in China on his good will tour this news broke. WTG Obama administration.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/oops-china-accidentally-broadcasts-evidence-of-cyber-war-against-u-s/
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 10:17 AM
Anonymous of the endless links. What is your purpose? Was I right that you get paid to drive web traffic and you are exploiting this blog to do that? You don’t discuss anything you post, you just seem to go from one random topic to another with no obvious purpose. I assume you are doing this for a living and are getting fed the links to post, or you spend lots of ours researching to find this stuff on your own. Either way I am interested in what your motivation is.
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 10:07 AM
A Republican gets called out by his constituent – very good!
http://www.bluehampshire.com/diary/13281/frank-guinta-gets-schooled-by-constituent
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 9:10 AM
Is Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers what is wrong with the country?
I think yes.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2011/08/is-grover-norquist-whats-wrong-with.html
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 8:32 AM
The author of that piece is so wrong, he can’t even get reasons for extinction of dinosaurs right.
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By: James on August 22, 2011
at 8:32 AM
Capitalism failed because of Mega Corporations and big dollars buying politicians.
http://www.alternet.org/story/152118/5_reasons_capitalism_has_failed?akid=7442.294211.90Zv_U&
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 8:16 AM
Right now, enthusiastic Palinbots outnumber Obamabots.
The president is so desperate he is doing what he can to make constitutants such as Hispanics, envrironmentalists and gays happy through fiat. Once he finishes his political duties, he will be able to attempt to fix the unemployment rate. Everything in its place and time. Obama’s reelection takes the top priority.
I hope Palin doesn’t run. If she did, she should pick Donald Trump as her running mate. At least, we could go down laughing.
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By: James on August 22, 2011
at 7:51 AM
Because we told you so, but lets be Liberal and keep everyone’s benefits the same, because this could never happen, right?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/21/social-security-disabilit-benefits-insolvency_n_932409.html?ncid=webmail2
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By: Anonymous on August 22, 2011
at 7:17 AM
anon –
re: Palinbots, etc. She’s coming to Lynchburg this fall. Don’t worry, the loyal opposition will be there too. Don’t know what we are going to do yet, but it should be fun.
She’s “speaking” at “Liberty University” – which is a private bigot college, er, I mean religious college, so options for protest may be limited. I’m sure that was all taken into consideration by her handlers before the plans were made.
Maybe she’ll run true to form and cancel. We can only hope. Enough crazies in Virginia as it is.
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By: pfesser53 on August 22, 2011
at 5:45 AM
Could you take me for a walk down the path of events that lead to Obama taking out Bin Laden and Khaddafi? What specific policies did he set in place to usher all this in?
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 10:52 PM
President Obama has buried Osama Bin Laden… and is now ushering in the end of Khaddafi…and Republicans are upset he gave speeches they didn’t like…
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 9:10 PM
Palin Update: Palin-bots are getting excited about her Sept 3 speech!
They are renting buses to go support her. The Palin-bots feel she will run for President and announce 9/3. More info on the link below
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/what-is-definition-of-insanity-again.html
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 8:35 PM
So what you are tying to say is this administration has had nothing to do with the current state of our economy over the past 3 years? None of the fault, none of the debt? Obama care had nothing to do with it, didn’t add any debt? Nothing?
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 8:33 PM
Anon: You are sounding pretty pathetic. May I suggest you start taking your meds? You are not doing well without them.
This is good. Rove is getting chewed out about his role in the economic mess which our country faces.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/former-obama-aide-rips-roves-lecture-good-go
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 8:10 PM
Good God just did a search and Dennis was quite some time ago. To remember that far back, and a list of others. Whats a more intense word for obsession?
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 6:29 PM
Obsession seem to be a way with you folks. Noah, Rutherford, Sara Palin. Me thinks a M.O. is starting to show itself.
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 5:51 PM
Radiation in St. Louis is 178 times normal. Thank You Fukushima!!!
Should we be concerned? Is this a time to cut the EPA? I think not myself.
Should we be monitoring radiation close? I think so. (We should also monitor the gulf oil spill. Where is that new oil coming from?)
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/st-louis-raining-fukushima-hot-particles-radiation-178-times-normal-video?CID=examiner_alerts_article
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 5:25 PM
Income Inequality is extreme!! Worse than before the Great Depression actually.
This pie chart shows it all!!
http://sbgypsy.blogspot.com/2011/08/us-asset-distribution.html
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 4:43 PM
Huntsman (R) says : The minute the Republican party becomes anti-science they are in trouble. Anit-science is the definition of the current front runners for President. Oh-Oh… You mean – anti-science will hurt them in the general election?
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/huntsman-minute-republican-party-beco
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 4:30 PM
Noah broke a promise? But Noah hates broken promises! He doesn’t even have obstructionists to blame. Maybe he’s not a promise breaker, but a liar?
I just read a headline, that Obama’s job plan meets early resistance from Republicans. It’s critical that there be no progress for Americans before the election.
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 3:51 PM
jsri,
Anonymous/noahwestmichigan/Noah/tammyharper/dennis are one-in-the-same person, imo. I believe that noahwestmichigan claimed he/she/it was leaving until invited back by our gracious hostess Helen. I don’t recall that happening, but then I haven’t been paying as close attention to this site as I once did.
It just goes to show, some folks just can’t be trusted, kiddo. 😉
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By: poolman on August 21, 2011
at 3:27 PM
jsri
#1 we are all anon. does your name tell me anything about you?
#2 why all the insults and so much anger? these are just words on a blog, why bother with the name calling and insults?
#3 because of #2 why would I subject myself to someone like you who cannot maintain their composure? sadly you are a perfect representation of what can be found on this blog.
#4 If you expect no one to respond but who you want to on a public blog, i think you have unreasonable expectations. maybe get his email address for a more private conversation?
#5 we have laws to enforce ethical business practices. just like all other things in life, some people take risks and ignore those laws for personal gain. one does not legislate based on people choosing to not following a law, we prosecute then. but more to the point, i said nothing about ethical business practice. i commented on what one can expect should they chose to keep raising taxes and make the climate unfriendly to business. our economy and unemployment are bad enough that do not need to further compound the problem by making it more difficult on business to produce more jobs. way to try and spin the topic.
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 3:26 PM
To: Anonymous on August 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM
You said “jsri , have to ask, how is citing one personal example a reality check? In what reality do people go into business to be patriotic? This is an incredibly simplistic concept & I cannot begin to understand why a Liberal just cannot comprehend it. . . . “
Normally I don’t respond to chicken-chit wimps who don’t identify themselves but in your case I’ll lower myself and make a comment. I’m not sure why you felt compelled to stick your bumper sticker comment into a reply to a post that was directed to someone else.
The example I cited is not the only one and it was directed at James because I knew his son, in the past, had had a similar experience. Also, twice before, our son had jobs with high tech companies where their technology was bought out by foreign companies. The sellers made a fortune while the employees, who created the programs, got their walking papers. The thing that surprises me the most is that these programs all require a depth of knowledge of programming that is far beyond the ken of most of us and could be brought to a screeching halt by a few simple lines of code among the millions running the program. Why this doesn’t happen more often must be only because the programmers who have lost their jobs have a higher sense of ethics than their former employers.
And on the business of companies being in the business to make money, I understand the concept very well because my wife and I ran a successful business and understand the pitfalls. But everything we did was ethical and above board. Unfortunately, we found out that not all businesses are operated ethically. In fact, I’m under the impression after having worked directly with many business owners, that too many of them would lie, cheat and steal to stay in business. So please don’t insult my intelligence by trying to give me a lecture on the purposes or ethics of business.
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By: jsri on August 21, 2011
at 2:36 PM
Fukushima Update: it is worse than 20 Hiroshimas. Funny – we do not get this kind of information in the US. Some are still pushing Nuclear in the good old USA. De-regulation is the answer and we bulid safely – RIGHT! (BTW: Is the Gulf Spill over and done or is it leaking again?)
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2011/08/fukushima-update-worse-than-twenty.html
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 1:56 PM
This is just beautiful! It is a rundown of Bachmann and other Republican Candidates for President. I have read quite a few but this is by far the best description Enjoy!!!!!
http://www.stonekettle.com/2011/08/new-crazy-same-as-old-crazy.html
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 1:38 PM
John Huntsman, Republican candidate for President, advocates pulling out of Iraq!! Amazing.. Curious to see how far this idea goes.
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/jon-huntsman-advocates-pulling-out-ir
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 1:13 PM
Not that I mind, because I don’t.
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By: James on August 21, 2011
at 1:08 PM
Well the one posting all the links we all know to be juneaujoe, as for the rest….
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 12:08 PM
Bernie Sanders is so very great!!! I agree with his approach. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/bernie-sanders-create-program-put-mil
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 11:12 AM
What if the two arguing anons are the same person?
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By: James on August 21, 2011
at 11:04 AM
Lets see, Rick Perry wants to change the constitution.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/seven-ways-rick-perry-wants-change-constitution-131634517.html
Umm…who was the last leader elected by the people then changed the constitution when facing a economic crisis? Hmmm…. HITLER in 1933!
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By: Saltman on August 21, 2011
at 10:53 AM
Shared Sacrifice!!!!!! It should not be just the poor and middle class that pay!!
Here is a pie chart of the current wealth distribution in the US!!! Disturbing actually when you realize that the top 20% own 84 percent of all assets in the US. Guess how much the lowest 40% own? Look
http://sbgypsy.blogspot.com/2011/08/us-asset-distribution.html
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 9:42 AM
A historical view on taxing the rich: During the Eissenhower -R administration, the wealthy were taxed at 90%. Let’s take taxes back to the Reagan years.
http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/robert-reich-on-obama-gop-issues-and-tax-strategy
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 9:22 AM
This is the sheer power of perception management: it can cause people to shut their eyes and stop up their ears against certain information that conflicts with the mainstream message—information which threatens to confuse them and shake their confidence in their understanding of the world, and also to shake their self-esteem as sensible, mainstream people who do not subscribe to nutty ideas.
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By: poolman on August 21, 2011
at 9:14 AM
The COVERUP OF WALL STREET BY THE SEC! Matt Taibi is breaking a big story. We did we not find the rampant misconduct by the big banks and traders during the GW Bush years. BIG STORY!!!!!! Important!! How to crash and economy – don’t investigate. Kind of like what Issa is doing now!
http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/exclusive-matt-taibbi-on-sec-covering-up-wall-street-crimes
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 9:11 AM
The current gross inequality of assets is the old norm. It has been so throughout human history. A combination of capitalism and socialism is awkward and sometimes unfair, but it is the best system we have to channel human greed for the greatest good.
From the beginning, eutopians have tried to change the norm but they have failed and killed countless people in the process. Even under pure communism where everyone shares common possessions, some people are more equal than others.
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By: James on August 21, 2011
at 9:09 AM
Cynthia Wolken of Missoula, MT is pushing a referendum to not allow corporations personhood. Basically, she want to take on CITIZENS UNITED at the local level. It is a great idea. Her point is that people are troubled because the rich and corporations buy up votes and get people to vote as they wish by dumping millions into advertising.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_6d7da43c-c947-11e0-9ef4-001cc4c002e0.html
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 9:02 AM
Thank you for Eric Burdan and the Animals alaskapi.
They were part of my life. In basic training we sang “We’ve got to get out of this place, if its the last thing we ever do.” “Yesterday, when I was young” struck me too. I left for the service a young man. When I returned to the United States and civilian life four years later, I was somewhere in my fifties, jaded and bitter. Now, I’m in my twenties again. My old face doesn’t bother me, because its mine.
Thanks too for your inspiring comments. You must be very proud of your son. You should be.
Her’s a country song:
“My old friend
lives up in the
mountains
He flew up
there to paint
the world
He says, even
though
interpretations’s
what I count on
this little
picture to me
seems blurred
Hard lines and
the shadows
come easy
‘I see it all
just as clear
as a bell
I just can’t seem to
set my easel to please
me
I paint my Heaven
but it looks like hell’
He says man I
ain’t comin’ down
till my picture
is perfect
and all the
wonder is gone
from my eyes
Down through my
hands and on to the
canvas
Still like my vision
but still a surprise
Real life, he says,
is the hardest impression
It’s always
movin’ so I let
it come through
And that my friend, I
say, is the glory of true
independence
Just to do what you do
what you do what you do
My old friend
came down from
the mountain
Without even
lookin’ he found
a little truth
You can go through life
with the greatest
intentions
But you do what you do
what you just gotta do
Yeah, your blue might be
gray, your less might be
more
Your window to the world
might be your own front
door
Your shiniest day might
come in the middle of
the night.
That’s just about right.”
Blackhawk
What was your shiniest day?
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By: James on August 21, 2011
at 8:52 AM
I’ve been listening to the rhetoric coming from the Right, the moderates, the corporate media and anyone who owes their living to fundraising money from deep pockets. I find it chilling that there’s this assumption that we all must simply accept the current and very gross income inequality as the “new normal.” Listen carefully and educate yourselves, my loves, because that horrible notion frames everything that those folks say.
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By: Anonymous on August 21, 2011
at 8:41 AM
Pfesser-
There’s always hope. Always.
Whether in one heart or many.
Assuming disaffected and un-engaged young people are or will be “dross” relieves all of us who created the world they live in of responsibilty for what we have done but says nothing about what they are and what they will do as the torch is passed.
You find hope in concrete iterations of values and manners which make sense to you, I find it in young voices here questioning the powers-that-be.
Personality types and styles cut across all lines of gender, race, culture and class in pretty even distribution. As always, some will succeed, some will fail, in meeting the challenges of their time and place.
Our cultural measures of success and failure have changed dramatically in the last 30 years. My son , now in his mid 30s, was assumed by most cultural measures to have already failed by the time he hit middle school age- mixed race, single parent ( alcoholic father completely out of the picture), blah, blah, blah…
His personal battles and mine as his advocate were many but the kid who qualified to work as a welder’s helper in the shipyard in Seward at minimum age to do so, went on to college, worked 50 hours a week to pay for his own schooling while maintaining a B average and hit the ground running afterwards. His appearance and demeanor at 18 was rough and somewhat angry, his hopes for his own future amorphous and ambivalent.
Within 2 years of college, he was making over 100K a year and was/still is one of the top ten in the country at the kind of computer programming he does .
He was assumed to be “dross” at a critical time in his life by far too many. It harmed but did not stop him. It will stop others. We need to take care we don’t write folks off before they have a chance to pick up their own futures, even if we can’t stand their baggy britches and tats.
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By: alaskapi on August 21, 2011
at 7:40 AM
Pfessor, many of us have been where you are. Yes, it is sad, especially for the last one. I think your son will do well. You have a right to be proud of him.
I inherited family memorabilia and it includes letters over a hundred years old. A woman wrote in the 1880″s “Our last child left yesterday. The house feels so empty.” Someone wrote almost the same words during the 1920’s.
One of our daughter’s friends worked as a school aid the first year our daughter went to college. She played a song in honor of our daughter over the loud speaker on the first day of school.
Here it is, just for you.
“There she goes
there she goes again
racing through my brain
and I just can’t contain
this feeling that remains”
Sixpense None the Richer
My wife saw your comments and said “Tell him they come back.”
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By: James on August 21, 2011
at 7:36 AM
I am so happy that Keith Olbermann is back!!!!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/keith-olbermann-makes-coburn-worst-person
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 10:05 PM
Speculation was the reason Gas Prices went sky high. Bernie Sanders – Thank You the information.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sen-bernie-sanders-leaks-oil-trading-
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 9:56 PM
Anon 8:42, what is it you have against the American Dream? you seem to want to attack anyone who has achieved it.
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 8:53 PM
Putting Country Ahead of Political Party!! I like it. Would some Republicans actually look at raising some taxes on corporations and those who have done well the last 10 years?
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/president-obamas-weekly-address-putting.html
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 8:42 PM
I want to pay $5,000,000 in taxes….let them take half…..
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By: anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 7:55 PM
Wow. Like a war zone here. Man, I wish we could work on this stuff together, cuz we are surely in it together, and our country is certainly in a world of hurt.
I just took my younger son to college today – last kid out of the nest. I have thought many times of the day I got in my friend’s car and we headed off to WVU in the ‘seventies. I didn’t realize it then, but I was leaving home for good. My son doesn’t realize it either, but I do. Boy do I ever…
It’s a good thing, though. He’s in one of the last four men’s colleges in the U.S. Sometimes when I walk down the sidewalk in my little town and see these dudes with their pants down around their arses and tats up and down their necks – unemployed and unemployable – speaking some unintelligible language, I think there’s no hope. Then I meet young men like I saw today: (“Yes sir; no ma’am. No sir, gentlemen don’t wear hats indoors so we don’t here. May I carry that for you, sir? We enforce our honor code 100%. No sir, no girls here – too much distraction and we are trying to accomplish things here. We all work together sir, so we ALL succeed.”) I think maybe there IS some hope. Then I wonder, how many young men like this will it take to support the dross? I don’t think there are enough.
Sorry. Kind of depressed; the house is empty of children now and will remain so. Only one of our six kids (Both of us had previous marriages.) is interested in or thinks they can afford kids of their own. I’m gonna pull out some Grateful Dead and some more Jim Beam and listen to Jerry and feel sorry for myself. Y’all keep fighting.
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By: pfesser53 on August 20, 2011
at 7:55 PM
No value in being anonymous, UAW, when we are all anonymous already 🙂
We’re just souls whose intentions are good… eh?
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By: alaskapi on August 20, 2011
at 7:36 PM
We have already established that the Bush tax cuts enhanced government revenues and accompanied a good rate of employment. Taking an extra 700 billion dollars from the “rich” won’t even start to reduce our deficit. When and if the government takes the money, it should understand the ramifications. Will taking that money in a borderline recession when businesses are already nervous hurt the economy? Will it cost the economy more than taking it is worth?
I believe, based on past history, it will. My understanding of rescinding the tax cuts is that individuals earning $200,000 and families making $250,000 will pay higher taxes. People at that income level are not rich. Moreover, even more taxes for the rest of us are on the way.
Large groups of people are fickle, perverse, and wrong as often as they are right. Those who took the poll are wrong this time. By your logic that it is time to listen to the people, we should immediately fire Congress and Obama, since they are also unpopular. We live in a democratic republic, not a participatory democracy. The people speak though letters to their representatives and at voting time.
We have also established that Democrats hold the primary responsibility for starting the economical disaster. They, especially during the Clinton administration along with pressure from groups like ACORN persuaded lending institutions to grant bad loans to poor people who had little hope of paying. Some of the administrators used Fannie and Freddie as personal slush funds.
Banks and other financial institutions converted the bad loans into other packages and sold them around the world. Republicans, as well as Democrats wanted more private home ownership, so though they tried to regulate the housing market, they didn’t fight especially hard when Democrats blocked them. They also didn’t have much stomach for regulating banks, etc which were enriching themselves on the backs of the poor and middle class borrowers.
Government pressure on banks to be generous created demand which fed on itself until the bubble burst. Like the Madoff scheme, the edifice came down. Thus, to say the Republicans alone caused this is simplistic.
The poor and middle class homeowners were innocent victims, though some had overly grandious future income plans and made stupid decisions. Congress and financial people who should be fined or jailed are thriving. Its unfair, but that’s life.
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By: James on August 20, 2011
at 7:00 PM
get rid of the BUSH TAX CUTS AND SAVE 700 BILLION DOLLARS IN TEN YEARS
How hilarious is this? get rid of the tax cut, and save money. Thanks for making my night.
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 6:42 PM
He worked for Goldman-Sachs: (That company got away with Billions of our money.) He changed his name and now is working for Republican Issa and investigating the government oversight agencies. Makes sense!!!
A Goldman-Sachs hack should be in charge of investigations? In a REPUBLICAN WORLD – of course. Changing his name from the Goldman years was a cute trick though.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/goldman-employee-says-he-changed-his-
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 6:18 PM
If we are truly interested in what is best for the country, deficits and JOBS, JOBS, JOBS – our leaders (REPUBLICANS TOO) would get rid of the BUSH TAX CUTS AND SAVE 700 BILLION DOLLARS IN TEN YEARS!!!!!
If you look at any polling about cutting programs and/or getting rid of the Bush tax cuts – people say: GET RID OF THE BUSH TAX CUTS! BY A COMFORTABLE MARGIN!!!! TIME TO LISTEN TO, WE THE PEOPLE!
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 5:59 PM
Who crashed the economy? Pressure to give glowing reports for crap devrivatives? Of course – the poor and middle class are at fault —- RIGHT!!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/former-moodys-staffer-blows-whistle-w
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 5:36 PM
Anon of 2:18, 1:05, 12:25, anyone ever tell you that you read like a billboard or a public service announcement? FYI, Bush isn’t President anymore. FYI Obama voted to extend the evil Bush tax cuts.
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 3:05 PM
Our political leaders have learned to gain power and wealth by manipulating our emotions. Oh, the poor starving children… We have to create a new program with money which will never feed a child..
If John Stewart is right, and we have class warfare, the middle and lower classes will win in only one way-through violent revolution. Then the winners will exploit another under class.
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By: James on August 20, 2011
at 2:55 PM
Cynthia, as you know most of those people don’t pay income taxes because the government has decreed that they don’t earn enough money to contribute. You also know my wife and I were once among them. Like most of that group, my wife and I wanted to earn more and pay our fair share of taxes.
However, viewing their condition cold bloodedly other people, not the families exempt from paying are funding the government and helping the poorest of them survive. When more people ride than pull the wagon, we have trouble. Our government has failed to create the conditions which allow more of the lower middle class and beyond to thrive.
As for corporations like GE ( allied with the Democrats) who use loopholes to avoid taxes, as long as it is legal, they are doing nothing wrong. Let the government close the loopholes or charge taxes the companies are willing to pay.
Jsri, I already know that reality. Our son worked as a temp in 2003 after he graduated from college. His boss told him he would be the first permanent hire in two years. The boss lost his job, and the company branch moved to India.
Like your son ours finally got a job with a good company, and he is now being groomed for a larger slot in the corporation. Your son did the right thing, and if his old company over valued profits over talent, it will lose in the end. Life is a cost benefit ratio. The successful and lucky make the proper calculation. The rest fail.
I came by my hard-heartedness honestly. Harsh times taught me never leave your wounded behind and never feel emotion when making life or death decisions.
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By: James on August 20, 2011
at 2:46 PM
It is class warfare and the poor and middle class ain’t winning!
Jon Stewart
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/daily-show-world-class-warfare
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 2:18 PM
jsri , have to ask, how is citing one personal example a reality check? In what reality do people go into business to be patriotic? This is an incredibly simplistic concept & I cannot begin to understand why a Liberal just cannot comprehend it. Business exists to make money. Profits are affected by the cost to do business. Raising taxes raises the cost to do business. Raise taxes enough, business will go elsewhere. If you want a business to stay, make the environment business friendly. If you want them to ship jobs overseas, make it more costly do to business in the United States. Not rocket science kids.
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 2:15 PM
Cynthia it is all good and well to say the wealthy don’t pay their fair share. As it stands now the top 25% pay more than 90% of the entire tax burden. How about you be the first to step up to the intellectual plate, and say what that number should be. If you can’t you need to get off the soap box.
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 2:07 PM
Accepting your premise, that those 400 families have a huge unfair tax break, they are still funding the programs we do have for the poor. Stealing more money from them might be good, but the amount is still not enough to save us.
Maybe we don’t need all of our military bases, but the Democrats hold most of the political power, now, and they are in no hurry to defund any of them. As a matter of fact, Leon Panetta announced the hope that we will still have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq through 2024. Negotiations continue. More soldiers have died in Afghanistan than in years past.
Those wars belong to Obama. Bush got us into the wars, and Obama is keeping us there.
A business is not a charity. Its only purpose is to earn money for its owners. If sending jobs overseas is most cost efficient, CEOs are earning their salaries by maximizing profits or in some cases keeping their companies solvent. It is our government’s job to close the loopholes or create conditions which let businesses stay profitable here.
What did the Democrats do to help starving children when they controlled two branches of government? Either they didn’t care or they were inept.
What are YOU doing to help starving children? You probably already are. Its a good feeling isn’t it?
Time Magazine has an article about our returning veterans and the leadership they are providing. “…there is another compelling and decidedly conservative sense that is common to veterans that American society has gone soft and is filled with whiners, an entitlement culture lacking a sense of individual accountability…’The toughest part of leadership is telling people they have to do something that involves pain.'”
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By: James on August 20, 2011
at 1:59 PM
Reality check James:
Our son worked for many years for a multi-million dollar national company that contributed heavily to Republican causes but paid no income taxes. He worked as an independent contractor which meant that he had to set up his own retirement and health plans and paid double the going FICA rate.
A couple months ago, the company notified him that they would not be renewing his contract but he could stay on a few months to train his Bangladeshi replacement.
He took the hint and contracted some of his friends from a legit company that they all worked for over 20 years ago. He now has a new job that pays considerable less than his old one but with a company that pays substantial US taxes and doesn’t bury its profits in Caribbean banks.
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By: jsri on August 20, 2011
at 1:33 PM
James I keep hearing this:
“They are stating a fact. About 48% of the population makes no net income tax payment.”
Why is it that 48% doesn’t pay income tax?
Is it because:
They don’t want to pay tax?
They cheat on their return so they don’t have to pay tax?
They would rather mooch off the government?
They don’t have a job?
They don’t have a job that pays enough to live on much less pay taxes?
My opinion is that 90% of these people would like to make enough money so they could support themselves and their families AND PAY THEIR SHARE OF TAXES.
How about those (wealthy and corporations) that do make enough money but don’t want to pay their share?
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By: Cynthia on August 20, 2011
at 1:27 PM
70 BILLION PER YEAR TAX BREAK TO THE WEALTHIEST 400 FAMILIES instead of funding programs which help children and the poor.
700 Military bases overseas and we have the largest military cost by far of any other country INSTEAD OF HELPING OUR OWN PEOPLE, including children. 25% of children now live in poverty btw.
BUSH GOT US INTO TWO WARS WHICH ARE TAKING MONEY OUT OF OUR ECONOMY! The wealthiest got their tax breaks – where are the jobs they were going to create with them – OVERSEAS!
People should get emotional about children who are starving – it is real and I hope it touches people emotionally. REPUBLICAN PRIORITIES SAY TO HELL WITH THE CHILDREN AFTER THEY ARE BORN!!!!
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 1:05 PM
That link is pure emotionalism and demogogary. The number of poor has grown since Democrats have gained power in Congress and the Presidency. The young black unemployment rate in Washington DC is about 50%, and Obama is so worried he takes another vacation among the swells in Martha’s Vineyard.
“Kids lose out again because” of Democratic political malpractice.
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By: James on August 20, 2011
at 12:53 PM
It works both ways. Bill and Hillary seem to be doing fine. LBJ was another who’s political career made him rich. Kerry and Gore were already rich and Congress probably has as many Democratic as Republican multi- millionairs.
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By: James on August 20, 2011
at 12:41 PM
Poor kids lose out again because of THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY! Food or heating a house for kids is not as important as the wealthiest getting tax breaks.
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 12:25 PM
Being a Conservative Republican Presidential Candidate is money in the bank! Rachel Maddow.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/rachel-maddow-discusses-how-republicans.html
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 11:37 AM
Absence of Alternatives, I don’t think the GOP is demonizing anyone. They are stating a fact. About 48% of the population makes no net income tax payment.
Maybe so many people vote Republican because they know the bottom 50% works for the top 2% and if the top dogs do well, the others keep their jobs.
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By: James on August 20, 2011
at 11:31 AM
That is because you bought the story and took it at face value. A closer look at the facts and you will find Liberals and the truth do not often cross paths.
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 11:16 AM
This Republican is for allowing the wealthy to voluntarily pay more taxes! He gets laughed at by the audience, disbelievers? Of course they will volunteer to pay more taxes after they pay off the jet.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/gop-rep-hultgren-mocked-town-hall-supporti
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 11:10 AM
You get what you vote for, yes. What I don’t understand is that with all the rhetorics spouted by the GOP to demonizing the poor (according to them 50% of the population) and to shielding the top 2% bracket, why are so many people still voting for them? I am honestly baffled.
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By: Absence of Alternatives on August 20, 2011
at 10:52 AM
“As it withers
Brittle it shakes
Can you whisper
As it crumbles and breaks
As you shiver
Count up all your mistakes
Pair of forgivers
Let go before its too late.”
Naked and the Famous
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By: James on August 20, 2011
at 8:54 AM
Bachmann to Perry – Bad to worse! Amen
http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2011/08/defining-dumb-down.html
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 8:52 AM
The Fukashima coverup. It is worse than expected and there is no news of it in the US. Think China Sydrome.
http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2011/08/the-great-fukashima-coverup.html/
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By: Anonymous on August 20, 2011
at 8:31 AM
I believe that if one wanted to improve the economy the best, easiest, quickest way our move should be to reform and replace the tax code. It has several nearly insurmountable problems right now: Firstly, half of Americans are paying no taxes at all. Secondly, many of those who are escaping the tax would owe taxes in the high seven-to-nine figure range, providing considerable revenue without once again hitting the middle class, which is now paying most of all.
Houdini liked to have members of the audience tie him up, and he always provided a very long rope. It was not only visually appealing, but the more they wound him up, the easier it was to escape, since every loop provided a little extra slack that could be exploited.
In the same way, this unbelievably convoluted tax code makes it easy for those with lots of money to exploit that opaque labyrinth to end up paying no taxes at all.
The US Constitution consists of 4618 words and has functioned since the late 1700’s to guide the whole country. The current tax code alone is 3.4 million words – 740 times as large – and is a complete mess. In 2002 alone, compliance alone costs nearly seven billion man-hours and over 100 billion dollars to US taxpayers. God only knows what the cost is now.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/133.html
Changing our code to a simple flat tax (as Russia and many other countries have done, much to their benefit), the Fair Tax (which I like) or a simple progressive tax based on tax tables if you think the rich should pay a higher percentage of their income would immediately provide a tremendous boon to our country’s welfare.
I’m not holding my breath. I firmly believe nothing good will come out of Washington until this train really, really goes off the tracks. Maybe not even then…hold onto your hats, boys; this ain’t going to be fun. In the meantime I’m buying plows for my tractor and eying that flat 3/4 acre of lawn for a potential garden spot.
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By: pfesser53 on August 20, 2011
at 5:54 AM
Then, its like talking to yourself.
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By: James on August 19, 2011
at 10:20 PM
i highly recommend it. to many angry people on here. harder to focus your rage when everyone is anon.
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By: Anonymous on August 19, 2011
at 10:01 PM
I am now(and I suggest everybody)changing my name to Anonymous
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By: uawtradesman on August 19, 2011
at 9:02 PM
hmm…why all the hostility? just a really angry person per chance? If you would be so kind, if you can see past your rage, could you clarify what I misread? Here is the quote:
Verizon is sending jobs overseas. They got a billion+ back from the IRS even though they paid no Federal Taxes
So as I read it, they got over a billion back while paying no taxes, thus making a profit on their federal.
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By: Anonymous on August 19, 2011
at 7:53 PM
Add reading comprehension to the skills you lack. From the linked source:
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By: poolman on August 19, 2011
at 7:33 PM
if you recall…and i see you don’t, the claim was they paid no taxes and also made over $1 billion in tax return, thus a profit off their federal.
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By: Anonymous on August 19, 2011
at 7:24 PM
The Verizon paid no taxes is easy to google.
Try this one, anon: http://www.ips-dc.org/articles/stop_corporate_tax_dodging_talking_points_and_background_information
You must like the taste of crow. Now can we move on?
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By: poolman on August 19, 2011
at 6:21 PM
How sad, when will these guys ever be left alone? And we wonder why good people won’t enter politics.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/18/sarah-palin-stalking-case_n_930657.html?ncid=webmail1
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By: Anonymous on August 19, 2011
at 4:17 PM
Anon, you going to provide the proof for your Verizon claims? Hard to read anything else you post when we all caught you in a lie.
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By: Anonymous on August 19, 2011
at 10:41 AM
Protect GOLDMAN-SACHS is What Issa, the Republicans and Fox are doing now. Who cares that they rated junk bonds triple A and they caused the economy to collapse! Hire a hot shot from Goldman-Sachs to investigate the SEC! Brilliant thinking by Republicans.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/goldman-sachs-vp-changes-his-name-goe
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By: Anonymous on August 19, 2011
at 9:27 AM
Jon Stewart did he math and he says, “KEEP THE BUSH TAX CUTS!” Make the poor pay!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/daily-show-wonders-if-perhaps-we-should.html
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By: Anonymous on August 19, 2011
at 9:04 AM
Most of the bi- coastal press lied about candidate Obama even when he willingly gave hints of his true nature. I looked him up and based on what I found, I made a list of predictions to Sally. Inflation hasn’t happened yet, but it is on its way.
“Bo” is just being himself, a politician who lies and who displays little concern for the constitutional separation of powers. As a liberal Democrat, Obama enjoys kinder treatment from the press than his Republican counterparts. He holds few surprises for me.
“Bo” may not be your friend, but the press is your enemy.
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By: James on August 19, 2011
at 7:22 AM
anon –
I agree. I am seriously disappointed in Obama and his minions, especially Bernanke, Rubin, Geithner, et al. Disappointed might not be a strong enough word. Furious might be the right word.
I’ve been reading some really good economics books in the mornings for the past six months or so. (Once a geek – you know the rest. LOL). There have been several questions in my mind for years, one of which is: Why does the govt think 4% inflation is hunky-dory and any deflation is horrible?
I found the answer: inflation is a hidden tax that transfers money from you and me to the ever-hungrier government spending machine. Neither Obama nor any of his recent predecessors have had the gonads to STOP SPENDING, and since Nixon decoupled the value of the dollar from gold in 1971 none of the administrations have had any incentive to not just keep printing money.
Now, since 2008 the money supply has *tripled.* Think about that for a minute. Tripled. There is officially little inflation because Greenspan changed the way it is calculated; in reality it is running about 7-9%. Anybody who has to buy gas, food, clothing knows that. The govt can just not live within its means and I am telling you right now, we are headed into some really really bad times. The govt just keeps spending borrowed money and printing more; it has to stop somewhere, but they don’t have what it takes to stop until we run this train off the trestle. I am not optimistic.
No, Bo is not my friend.
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By: PFesser on August 18, 2011
at 11:51 AM
Being smart and being right is not always synonymous.
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By: Anonymous on August 18, 2011
at 9:13 AM
During the rest of her speech, Maxine Waters said blacks are getting tired, and though they support Obama the time is coming to fish or cut bait. She asked the crowd to tell us when to do that. Many shouted “cut.”
Obama needs all of the votes he can get. He should not take any for granted. Black voters were beside themselves by the symbolism of the victory. The knew hope and change would better their lives. Instead they got no change and no hope.
Obama’s failure to recognize the value of symbolism is only one sign of his failure to deviate from the script printed in his mind. He may be smart, but if Obama was a plant or animal species, he would be extinct.
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By: James on August 18, 2011
at 9:11 AM
“Maxine Waters said “We don’t know why on this trip that he’s in the United States now, he’s not in any black communities. We don’t know that.” Realclear politics has the video.”
I think that’s called “being smart.” He already has those votes; they are not the voters he needs to woo.
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By: PFesser on August 18, 2011
at 8:17 AM
Poolman –
Thanks much for the Ron Paul video. What the hell is wrong with this country that this guy can’t get any traction? He is absolutely consistent in his beliefs, completely opposed to all our foreign adventuring, furious about the money printing. He is diametrically opposed to what the Repubs and Dems are doing and is in complete alignment with the American public, who – like I – is fed up with both major parties.
What is the problem?
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By: PFesser on August 18, 2011
at 7:47 AM
I’m not so worried about a religious take over of our country because the cycle of aggressive spirituality is moving toward its nadir. As uawtradesman pointed out, the left uses religion too.
Caroline Kennedy tried show the Tea Party is unchristian because they don’t follow the Biblical admonition to help the poor. She forgot the Bible told us to help the poor with our own money, not someone elses.
I agree with Mageen that “racial and cultural panic” is a serious threat. The networks are studiously ignoring the flash mobs which are attacking whites, Asians and Hispanics. If the trend continues, the victimized groups will eventually counter attack. That’s what worries me.
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By: James on August 18, 2011
at 7:44 AM
Chart of the day: CHART OF THE DAY: *Government* Jobs Led To Perry’s Economic Boom
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/chart-of-the-day-government-jobs-led-to-perrys-economic-boom.php
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By: Anonymous on August 18, 2011
at 7:38 AM
so Perry half filled a stadium…….If it was the Stones or Kidd Rock they’d quit(there was over 40,000 at Kidd Rock’s birthday party)…….BE Afraid—Be Very Afraid…….
some 30,000 Christian believers departed The Response feeling blessed after a day of singing, praying, praising and — for some – fasting. (Long lines besieged concession stands throughout the day.)
http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/08/30000-jam-stadium-to-share-rick-perrys-prayer-for-america/
Nancy Pelosi, messenger of God? The House Speaker’s galling, hypocritical religious opportunism
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-06-03/news/29437842_1_favorite-word-religious-leaders-religious-revival
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover—team-mohammed-vs–team-jesus
There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
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By: uawtradesman on August 18, 2011
at 6:34 AM
[…] appreciate this most recent post on Margaret and Helen’s blog not only because of what Helen says about the evils of mixing […]
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By: You gotta have faith « furtherthanyourheadlights on August 18, 2011
at 6:17 AM
Anonymous, the fuel for such an event I mentioned in a previous post is this: racial and cultural panic. It is still very, very much around and robust. Watch how many of the presidential wannabes attach politics to this. If you watched the Rick Perry stadium show on TV, could you imagine how welcome certain faith-sets were and how some definitely were not? And I’m not talking Islam. Think outside the Reformation.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 18, 2011
at 4:13 AM
Which one of you anons said FB was not a serious media source? How would you like that crow served, in a pie? 😎
http://singularityhub.com/2011/08/03/25-ordinary-citizens-write-icelands-new-constitution-with-help-from-social-media/
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By: poolman on August 17, 2011
at 9:06 PM
uaw, did you catch this from the Daily Show?
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/08/jon-stewart-scolds-media-for-ignoring-ron-paul-video/
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By: poolman on August 17, 2011
at 8:57 PM
Thanks Anon.
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By: James on August 17, 2011
at 8:50 PM
Maxine Waters said “We don’t know why on this trip that he’s in the United States now, he’s not in any black communities. We don’t know that.” Realclear politics has the video.
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By: James on August 17, 2011
at 8:43 PM
UAW, let me guess. You listened to Glenn Beck today?
NOPE…Drudge and the Daily Show…..I did miss Rush today(picking dill)……OH the joy of googling….
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By: uawtradesman on August 17, 2011
at 8:33 PM
I believe there is a filter that anyone not logged in every so often holds the post back I assume to check for spam or advertising. Give it 20 seconds and refresh and the post will appear.
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By: Anonymous on August 17, 2011
at 8:26 PM
My post made it through after all.
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By: James on August 17, 2011
at 8:21 PM
Computer problems. That last comment was mine.
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By: James on August 17, 2011
at 8:20 PM
Mageen, and anon, something ate what I just wrote. I think the latest religious movement reached its peak in the eighties and began to fade in the late nineties.
It is something to watch, but right now, I believe the national mood is more secular than it was.
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By: Anonymous on August 17, 2011
at 8:19 PM
Mageen, thirty years ago, I would have agreed with you about an immediate potential danger. Some of the people who entered our Republican conventions when Reagan ran were creepy. As late as around 2002, an entire table emptied when I opposed removing evolution from the schools. If dirty looks could kill, my funeral would have been several days later.
Remember about that time, religious shows were so popular Phil Collins sang “talking to Jesus” in 1993. I believe evangelical Christianity reached its apex in the eighties and nineties. Some passionate religionists are still around, but as anon noted they are less common than they once were.
As you wrote, religious awakenings do happen from time to time, and we need to watch for them. I think the national mood has changed now.
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By: Anonymous on August 17, 2011
at 8:15 PM
How did you find out where the bus was fixed up?
AM Radio news.
But if he did, and it were televised, your comment would have been… what? Be honest, please
This is why I am an independent. It allows me the freedom to openly praise or criticize with extreme prejudiced. If he had visited the poor black communities, I would not have said much. I feel he would have been doing what he should be doing in a situation like this, ie being a leader. He needed to step up, announce that he was canceling his vacation, and call congress back. Even if doing so would not get his plan implemented any faster, at least he would show the American people that this is urgent business, and that his job and duties as President are more important than taking yet another vacation. In times like these I expect my public officials to be putting in overtime, not taking a month off. One word sums it up nicely for me. Inappropriate.
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By: Anonymous on August 17, 2011
at 8:08 PM
UAW, let me guess. You listened to Glenn Beck today?
Anon, my point is that no matter what Obama does, you’ll have criticism to fling. He can’t win with people like you. First of all, I don’t know that he didn’t visit ‘black communities’ as not everything he does is televised. But if he did, and it were televised, your comment would have been… what? Be honest, please.
How did you find out where the bus was fixed up?
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By: delurkergurl on August 17, 2011
at 7:38 PM
Would you contact your obstructionist representatives and urge them to get reforms passed,
Obstructionism is exactly what we need our representatives to continue to do until we can march Democrats to the curb next November. It’s the best the House can do right now and they are doing exactly what we elected them to so.
Obstructionism of bad reform is a good thing.
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By: Davis on August 17, 2011
at 7:37 PM
Iowa should have a good crop, its true. However much of the state needs rain. The latest estimates have lowered the percentage of good to excellent corn and beans. Ironically our ground is besotted by water, and it is sub irrigating our crops.
Delurkergurl, that is a fair question.
Obama could help the economy by undoing some of the regulations his officials are limposing on the country. A farmer asked him about them, and Obama brushed him off. Virtual cap and trade is bypassing Congress through regulation. This week, a Nebraska official said it will cause some area coal firing plants to go out of business, and our electricity rates will rise. The courts say Salizar’s ban on drilling is illegal. If we drilled for more domestic oil, we would have more jobs, and the price of energy would be slower to rise.
Obama should consider, not adopt all of Ryans’ plan, the only complete theory of how to treat the economy. Or he might consider the Bowles- Simpson Plan he commissioned. He could drop his plan to tax everyone earning more than $200,000 to $250,000 per year. Obama should stop being an obstructionist in the budget debate. He has been the one to refuse to give real ground. Remember he and Boenher had an agreement until the president upped the anti and killed it. Obama should agree to fix the parts of Obama care which will make insurance more expensive and which will add to our deficiet according to the CBO.He needs a coherant policy without the implied surprises he now shows us. Employers are afraid and are saving their money for until they know what will happen.
Symbolism is important. His using Canadian buses, his refusal to visit our flood area or the southern drought are bad enough. However, when he says he will present a jobs plan after his vacation belies his stated urgency to help the economy create more jobs. That really looks bad. If he was the CEO of a business in dire straights he would not be taking a vacation.
The Democrats could write the budget they have failed to do for years.
I would praise the president for changing any one or two of the above policies. It would show he can learn from reality as Clinton did.
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By: James on August 17, 2011
at 7:17 PM
if you want to get into extremes don’t forget Louis Farakin
Louis Farrakhan: Obama Is A ‘Murderer,’ An ‘Assassin’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/louis-farrakhan-obama-murderer-assassin_n_880973.html
They call them terrorists, I call them freedom fighters.
Louis Farrakhan
so when Biden and other Dems call the teapartyers terrorists……..
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By: uawtradesman on August 17, 2011
at 6:59 PM
Mageen
Maybe I am just naive, but I do not see any of this aggressiveness in religions that you people seem to perceive. My mother is Pentecostal, step mother and by default my dad are southern Baptists. Grandmothers are Catholic and 7th day Adventists. I consider my family to be armchair Baptists. Point being I feel I have a fairly diverse background in various different ministries.
That said none of the churches I attend and know(many are family friends) have even modest desires to have religion inserted into government. They not only recognize and respect the separation of church and state, they advocate for it. They want no part of politics and want politics and government to play no role in their religion. That is not to say that there are not elements in the religious community that desire it, but I think if you take an objective look, by enlarge most want no part in it and would not support it.
Now there is a desire to have our politicians act in a way that is in accordance with the teachings of the bible. Mostly humility, treat each other well, that kind of thing. None of us advocate missionary work. We are not in the God recruiting business. We tell what we believe, but people have to come of their own accord, not be “sold” on religion for it to have meaning.
All this said is the foundation for my confusion for this grave threat many of you see from the Christian community. I have faith we will mind our p’s and q’s. I have faith in our constitution and that it wasn’t so poorly written that it could be that easily circumvented. I refuse to let fear of what might be dictate how I live my life and how I treat others. Decisions made out of fear are rarely productive or wise. How you deal with it is up to you. That is just my take.
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By: Anonymous on August 17, 2011
at 5:57 PM
I forgot Janet……Napolitano or Reno….don’t matter….
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By: uawtradesman on August 17, 2011
at 5:53 PM
I’m more worried about Nancy, Harry,and Barack calling in the troops…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 17, 2011
at 5:51 PM
Anonymous, in response to your contribution on Aug. 16 at 12:54 PM, what I expounded was a very, very widespread nightmare in this country and it has come very close in our history. Not just the Great Revival of the early 19th century or the leather lunged preachers in public, in Boston for example, in the 18th century which drew crowds by the thousands. See also much the same thing in the 20th century. This type of ground swell event is not likely to go away, no matter how corrupt the practicioners may be found. As for our magnificent Constitution, all it would take is a cotery of such believers at the highest levels declaring some sort of war powers emergency and an accommodating Supreme Court and a spineless Congress with their “patriotism” in question. Would the people rebel against this? Maybe, but it would be damn difficult when the 101st Airborne works for the leader.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 17, 2011
at 4:50 PM
#1 use a US company to refurbish the bus, if getting US citizens jobs is indeed important to him.( How is this constitutes a cheap shot? A lot of families are suffering big time) #2 Symbolism is important. Showing up in a poor black community would mean a lot to these people, There are a lot of suffering people in need some hope. He is in a position to give them some hope, or just show them he cares by taking of his personal time to see some of them. (How is this a cheap shot?) #3 Didn’t Obama have complete control of the house and senate as well as being President for 2 years? Not sure how you can ask for a better odds than that. Just the facts. (How is this considered a cheap shot.) Out of curiosity why was the drunk comment necessary? Did I do something to you?
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By: Anonymous on August 17, 2011
at 3:04 PM
How would you propose Obama help them? Other getting hung from a tree, just what could Obama do that you could praise him for? Would you contact your obstructionist representatives and urge them to get reforms passed, or just keep on taking cheap shots like the drunk at the end of a bar?
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By: delurkergurl on August 17, 2011
at 2:34 PM
Was rather wondering why on Obama’s grand tour, in a bus refurbished in Canada, why his travels didn’t take him to any black communities? Maybe while he is at his plush resort vacation he could take the time and lick some stamps and send over his new grand proposal to boost the economy and job growth. If not all the suffering poor can surely hold out for the duration of this latest vacation.
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By: Anonymous on August 17, 2011
at 2:12 PM
The USDA predicted Iowa’s total corn production will rise from 2.15 billion bushels in 2010 to 2.43 billion billion bushels in 2011. Iowa’s harvest is predicted to yield 177 bushels per acre
http://thegazette.com/2011/08/15/for-first-time-more-corn-to-be-used-for-ethanol-than-livestock/
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/08/17/obama-dismisses-farmers-concerns-about-regulations-dont-always-believe-what-you-hear
Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/black-caucus-tired-making-excuses-obama
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By: uawtradesman on August 17, 2011
at 1:34 PM
That is a wonderful story. Your confined space comment reminded me of what I thought when we discovered we were trying to light a blasting cap in a five foot trench. I wondered where all of that energy would go and that being in the trench was a bad idea.
When we blasted the lake bed, we had taken shelter in a channel a long way from the site. We waited a long time, and we were afraid the fuse had burned out. I looked over the edge as it suddenly blew. Two and three foot chunks of dirt landed near us, but we never had to contend with an air- born stump.
We were dismantling a garage, and my uncle and father recalled when they were young and tore down a house. Sometime went wrong, and an outside wall fell toward a man on the floor. Everyone yelled at him to run, but he stood still and watched the wall. Then, he moved a step or two before the wall crashed down.
As the wall fell, the man stood beneath a window. When it was over, he was unharmed with the window around him.
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By: James on August 17, 2011
at 12:40 PM
You shouldn’t get me started on stories.
When I was in high school, an older friend, Joe A. was clearing some steep hillside property of stumps. He was a little eccentric, which was part of the reason I liked to hang out with him. He was also a coal miner, and at that time if you needed “powder” for some project or other, the supplies clerk at the mine would just ask you how much you needed and give it to you, since they shot hundreds of pounds of dynamite every day. (Man, the good old days…)
When I arrived on my little Suzuki 90 dirt bike after school I found him standing by a particularly magnificent stump scratching his head. “What’s the matter, Joe?”
“I’ve shot this damned thing four times now and all I am doing is blowing out the dirt from under it.”
Sure enough he had created what’s called a “duck’s nest” under the stump and it was still supported above the cavity by a multitude of large roots.
I had shot quite a bit of powder with my dad and I told Joe what I thought the problem was. “You have a big duck’s nest and the powder can’t work unless it is confined.”
“Hell, I ain’t going to pack a bunch of dirt under it. I’ll just put what powder I have left and it’ll HAVE to go!”
I still remember what he had. Eleven sticks. That is a lot of dynamite. Sure enough he packed the remaining eleven sticks together under the stump and we retired to the barn about a hundred yards away to set it off.
When it detonated, it sounded like the crack of doom. Jesus Christ that scared me!
I poked my head out the barn door and sure enough the stump was gone! “Well, Joe, I wouldn’t have believed it!” As we started toward the hole I heard a low whistling sound.
Jesus, Joe, where is the stump?!!!
We looked at each other and realized at the same time that we’d better run. Holy sh*t!!!! We turned around and ran back into the barn just as the stump hit about forty feet away. It had been in the air for at least ten seconds, and if it had struck the barn we were in, it for sure would have brought the roof in on us.
“Well, that turned out pretty good, didn’t it?
“Turned out good?! Are you f**in’ crazy?! You could have killed us! I’m going home!”
And so I did. He is still living, but very old and sick. We still laugh about it sometimes when I visit back home.
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By: PFesser on August 17, 2011
at 12:14 PM
Yes, Pfessor, it is amazing what you can do with explosives.I’ve seen films of explosives used to open railroad tunnels in the Rockies and also to clear part of the Mullhunen canal which provides water to Los Angeles.
When I was in college my father, brother and I used 25 sticks of dymamite and several bags of dry nitrogen fertilizer to blow a hole in our dry lake to uncover an old spring. It worked.
I helped pay my way through college by working on a river. Two of us were told to dig a long trench five feet deep prepratory to making a boat landing. We buried fifteen sticks of dynamite and tried to light the fuse. We stupid teenagers thought we could light the fuse in the trench and scramble out in time. We used a book of matches with no result. My companion took out his cigarette lighter and held it to the fuse, but nothing happened.
I asked “are you sure we hooked it up right?” “I guess so.” “Lets check.” We had reversed the fuse and all of that time were were trying to light the blasting cap. “We’d better not tell the boss.”
A couple of years later, as I sat in the college library, a girl accidently bumped into my chair. She appologized. Then, she asked why I had drawn weather maps on my history notes. In course of our conversation, I told my explosive story, and the girl was amazed. One thing led to another, and we are still married.
Explosives have been very good to me.
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By: James on August 17, 2011
at 10:57 AM
Maybe we can get back on the topic at a later date after we give others a chance to post.
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By: PFesser on August 17, 2011
at 9:36 AM
anon –
Not a problem. Your points were all well-taken; it is actually very pleasant to discuss a difficult topic with someone who is able to remain cordial and not descend into ad hominem. It’s just that we are “hogging the blog;” I’ve done that before and folks don’t like it. No offense meant or taken from this side as well.
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By: PFesser on August 17, 2011
at 9:35 AM
PFesser, I wanted to add it was not my intention to offend you or to beat the horse to death, I just felt you were answering questions I had not asked and not really speaking to what I did ask. As a sales rep a cardinal rule is to never ever talk about religion or politics, and it is pretty obvious why. Either way was trying to get to the bottom of a topic that I have not been able to wrap my mind around.
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By: Anonymous on August 17, 2011
at 8:46 AM
James – I had an explosives class in engineering school and it was extremely enjoyable. We watched a DuPont video where they blew an irrigation ditch through solid rock for a mile. The charges went off in sequence, maybe 1/10 sec between each and then about a 1sec delay and the little dike at the end was blown and the water ran through. Just amazing what you can do with a little “powder” – as we called it – if you know what you’re doing.
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By: PFesser on August 17, 2011
at 7:56 AM
I’ll tell them Pfessor. One of the groups I am proudest of is the farmers, construction companies and the DOT who under the leadership of a retired Corps of Engineers hydrological engineer and now farmer rebuilt fifty year old levies and created new ones along a thirty mile stretch.
The dike broke and when water became deeper on the flooded than on the river side, the group asked permission from the Corps of Engineers to cut the dike. After two days, the Corps said it was their levy, and they could do what they wanted.
Other governments and agencies hesitated to give permission because they worried about the effect down stream. The group found an approved explosives contractor and gave five minutes to two hours notice before they blew the dike.
It probably saved part of a town where the back water was creeping east within a few miles. The reaction was loud, on talk radio and the news, but no one could prove the group had not followed the rules.
They operated under the assumption that it is better to appologize later than to ask permission now.
I enjoyed your religious discussion, but I haven’t had time to read it all.
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By: James on August 17, 2011
at 7:14 AM
Burning at the stake and stoning come to mind. Hanging for witchcraft, genital mutilation, polygamy, forced marriage of pre-pubescent little girls to old men, tearing flesh off women’s breasts with red-hot pincers…you know, the run-of-the-mill stuff which is religion’s proud heritage.
I can understand your frustration and our disconnect. We were obviously talking about two completely different topics.
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By: Anonymous on August 16, 2011
at 9:17 PM
anon –
No offense, but I am going to make this my last comment. Others would like to get in here and I am sure they find us getting a bit tedious.
“…that to an atheist, it should be irrelevant, but for most it seems to be the exact opposite. They seem to be hyper focused at the removal of all religion, even though much of it is in our countries history and I would argue heritage.”
That’s not been my experience. What *has* been my experience is that any legitimate criticism is perverted to “you are attacking religion!” which is not only dishonest, but untrue.
“What events or conditions do you think are alive and well today that you feel would defeat these measures and allow for a religious state to exist?”
That good men do nothing, to quote the sage.
” you admit we are a nation of many religions, but in the same breath being part of a religion disqualifies that person in your eyes.”
Nope, didn’t say that. Nothing like it. ..ah, here it is:
‘A candidate whose entire life revolves around his religion and whose decisions – affecting all of us – will likely be made on that basis is unqualified for office. We are a nation of Many religions.’
“What would make you feel this large population of people do not deserve to have their points of view represented in office?
Didn’t say that either.
“I am also curious what values in religion that you find objectionable and a bad fit for our government?”
Burning at the stake and stoning come to mind. Hanging for witchcraft, genital mutilation, polygamy, forced marriage of pre-pubescent little girls to old men, tearing flesh off women’s breasts with red-hot pincers…you know, the run-of-the-mill stuff which is religion’s proud heritage.
Oh, did I leave out “honor killings” and hanging women who have been raped from construction equipment?
That should do for a start…I have more, though.
“For the most part I find these values to be positive in nature, and considering the level of corruption in our government I would think many more positive things would happen in government and for our country were more traditional religious values observed than negative, especially should we continue on our current course.”
I’m all in favor of positive values. Hell, we’re ALL in favor of Mom, apple pie and the girl you left behind. But you can have all these good things just by saying, “Let’s have some good things!” and leave the superstition out of it.
Sorry. The End for me. Next topic.
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By: Pfesser on August 16, 2011
at 8:33 PM
Ok first off I apologize for making myself unclear. I have been saying all along, that to an atheist, it should be irrelevant, but for most it seems to be the exact opposite. They seem to be hyper focused at the removal of all religion, even though much of it is in our countries history and I would argue heritage.
A candidate whose entire life revolves around his religion and whose decisions – affecting all of us – will likely be made on that basis is unqualified for office. We are a nation of Many religions.
This would be the inconsistencies I speak of. First off I understand your desire not to have religion enter and take over our government. I would ask the same question of you I asked Mageen. We already have safeguards in place to protect from that very thing from happening. What events or conditions do you think are alive and well today that you feel would defeat these measures and allow for a religious state to exist? I want to understand where you are coming from but if there is not a viable, legitimate threat then it would seem to me to either be an excuse to push a cause or an irrational fear. Either way I do not think it would be good to dictate policy based on what “might” happen.
Secondly, you admit we are a nation of many religions, but in the same breath being part of a religion disqualifies that person in your eyes.. I am to this day under the impression that we all get fair representation. We have a significant Christian presence in our country and have had since our country was founded. What would make you feel this large population of people do not deserve to have their points of view represented in office?
I am also curious what values in religion that you find objectionable and a bad fit for our government? For the most part I find these values to be positive in nature, and considering the level of corruption in our government I would think many more positive things would happen in government and for our country were more traditional religious values observed than negative, especially should we continue on our current course.
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By: Anonymous on August 16, 2011
at 4:02 PM
James –
Moving back, huh? Damn fine people. Tell them an old Hillbilly said that he is proud to be on the same planet with them. It is such a shame that those bastards who get their mail in Washington DC live in the same country. They are not fit to carry manure for their gardens.
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By: PFesser on August 16, 2011
at 3:01 PM
Thank you Pfessor.
I don’t know when life will return to normal. The DOT says our interstates and several bridges may not be repaired until 2012 or 2013. The detours are a real pain for truckers, tourists, and locals who want to go to Kansas City, and to a lessor degree, Sioux City.
A week or so ago, the Corps of Engineers estimated their costs to be over a billion dollars so far. That doesn’t include cities, farms, the DOT etc. The Missouri River should be within its banks some time in September. It will take longer for water to flow back into the channel, and it will stay in low spots until it soaks away.
We just returned home on the detour north of Omaha. Trap bags keep water from the highway, so it is almost like driving in a tunnel. The water has fallen a foot or so, and shallow places have become mud flats. Much of the initially shallow water a mile or so north of us has soaked away.
Our farmstead and machinery are fine. Water did lap around the dike on the east side of the farmstead, but it soaked away before it killed the soy beans.
Crops at home and on another farm look good. A third of our land is under 2 to 10 feet of water.We will notice that missing third of our income more next year than this.so we are not spending what we don’t have to. There will be some crop insurance.
No one knows if the land will be farmable next year. I think ours will be all right since it was protected from the main channel current, but we still don’t know how much sand if any was dropped on the land. We don’t know if the water will be gone by spring.We also don’t know how many if any soil microoganisms have been killed by the long period of flooding. One man found a seven foot layer of sand on part of a field.
Compared to some others, we are pretty lucky.
People are moving back. Some are removing dikes and sand bags, but most haven’t touched them yet. Our dentist expects to be back in his office some time in September. Our school will start on schedule this week. News shows go for days without talking about the flood.
Living this way has become the new normal for the rest of this summer at least.
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By: James on August 16, 2011
at 2:54 PM
“My point has been, and my question to you is, why should, or would, an atheist care?”
By the same logic, why would someone who is childless care if his neighbor killed his own children? He cares because it is wrong and he has an obligation to his fellow travellers to oppose wrong.
By the same token, I care because I am first and foremost an American citizen; believing or not believing in your god is irrelevant. As a (very) amateur historian, I have seen over and over what happens when religion is injected into politics and I don’t want that for my country. Whether I believe in your god, no god or the Great Cosmic Muffin is completely irrelevant.
A candidate whose entire life revolves around his religion and whose decisions – affecting all of us – will likely be made on that basis is unqualified for office. We are a nation of Many religions; a president bent on making HIS dominant – whether he is a Christian, Buddhist or Mohammedan – must find another line of work IMHO.
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By: PFesser on August 16, 2011
at 1:33 PM
James –
We should all admire your stalwart attitude in the face of such a disaster. Well done.
Do you have any personal estimates of when you can get your farm back in production and your lives back to some semblance of normalcy? Did any of your equipment go underwater? How about livestock? Of course a lot of the crops drowned. How much property stayed relatively dry? Any crops remaining that you will be able to harvest?
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By: PFesser on August 16, 2011
at 1:06 PM
There are measures in place in our founding documents to prevent such an occurrence. What factors are in place that you see that would defeat these measures and allow for the possibility of a state supported religion?
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By: Anonymous on August 16, 2011
at 12:54 PM
I think what really chews peoples’ socks is the possibility of a state supported religion with tax money going to pay clergy of all levels such as in Greece.
It has only been lately learned that as far as a lot of the plantation owners were concerned during the Civil War, establishing one religion was a part of their plan. That religion would have declared slavery to be God-given and therefore holy. Any other religion or faith-practice would be outlawed and adherents would be severely punished when apprehended as traitors. Such stuff to be considered when you hear political wanna-be’s spouting off.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 16, 2011
at 12:20 PM
I also think it is necessary to profess ones faith. We elect leaders for the kind of people they are. For many their religion is a big part of what makes them who they are. It tells us about their thought process, where decisions come from, and it gives us an insight to the kind of choices they will make once in office.
My point has been, and my question to you is, why should, or would, an atheist care? If it is all non sense mythology, but is set in values most of us can agree with, then why would it be an issue where those fundamental beliefs originate? To me there seems to be a contradiction, or at the very least an inconsistency, in saying that there is no God, but it matters if you believe in God (in the Christan sense for the sake of this argument.) If this is truly the belief you hold, then the conversation shouldn’t be about God and or religion, but rather about their moral and ethical beliefs and how or if they conflict with yours. Maybe even if you deem them in conflict with the duties of the job they are tasked to perform.
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By: Anonymous on August 16, 2011
at 10:50 AM
Our flood continues. The natural gas pipeline which lies under our farm has burst, and the highway north of home is closed. Divers are searching for the break. An estimated 140,000 gallons of natural gas has escaped, but no one is sure where it is. It may have volitilized in the swift flood current, or have been diluted. It will be less damaging than the earlier oil pipeline break in Montana.
Divers and others have noted severe damage to interstate bridges, the highway, and other roads.
A survey showed 50% of area businesses are adversly affected. Families are still living in camp grounds, a defunct college dorm, and friends’ homes.
Farm income will fall dramatically.
Like Katrina, and other disasters, this will have a slight effect on the national economy.
Few care, but writing this is my attempt at tokenism.
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By: James on August 16, 2011
at 7:37 AM
The Drudge Report linked to an article which stated Ron Paul is being frozen out of news coverage. He is more than a fringe candidate this time.
pfessor, it is necessary for a politician to flaunt his/her faith. Clinton, for example carried his Bible so voters could see he was a Christian. Carter’s evangelical Christianity attracted born again Christians.
We are a tribal society, and atheists remain a minority. Most people vote for candidates who they believe share their attitudes and values. History has shown moral values are not irrelevant to doing the job. Politicians may not hold those values, but they want the public to believe they do.
If Romney is the Repblican candidate, Democrats will attack his religion as politicians of both parties have done before.
Rick Perry may want to turn this country into a theocracy, but he doesn’t worry me. The majority will have no part of it. Again, history shows such extreme efforts fail.
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By: James on August 16, 2011
at 7:15 AM
“what does the label Christan matter? Again being atheist, I would think you wouldn’t care what it is called so long is the end result is a desirable one.
Also, to call them Christan values is to define them within the faith, but not to say they are exclusive to the faith.”
Exactly. Doesn’t matter at all. So, it’s not necessary for a politician to flaunt his religion in public any more than the fact he has a nice moustache. It’s irrelevant to doing the job. And doing so alerts folks that he just might be thinking of breaching – or at least stretching – The Wall, and mixing his policies with his religion. Which of course the Constitution prohibits – with good reason. A little history will tell you what that reason is.
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By: pfesser53 on August 16, 2011
at 5:51 AM
Too bad Ron Paul doesn’t get the media coverage he should, but then, look who owns the media. It boils down to who they want, usually someone easy to control that sticks to the agenda without looking like a patsy.
I think Obama threw them off last go round and containing him has been akin to a greased pig contest.
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By: poolman on August 15, 2011
at 9:44 PM
Nice bit of comedy Anon. Like all of your other posts it fails to pass muster. It makes erroneous claims citing but failing to actually prove their connection.
I imagine this guy is your idol. He like yourself, have already decided the outcome of the arguments you set forth, and bring any and all evidence, no matter how unconnected, irrelevant, twisted, or misleading it may be.
FYI still waiting for you to post your evidence on your claims on Verizon. Until you do will consider you flat busted in a lie.
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By: Anonymous on August 15, 2011
at 9:04 PM
The Stealing of Elections by Republicans! 5 stolen elections since Eisenhower was President. Interesting stuff.
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By: Anonymous on August 15, 2011
at 8:25 PM
I do get your point but my question still stands. If the end result is we treat each other well, or have a more ethical government, what does the label Christan matter? Again being atheist, I would think you wouldn’t care what it is called so long is the end result is a desirable one.
Also, to call them Christan values is to define them within the faith, but not to say they are exclusive to the faith.
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By: Anonymous on August 15, 2011
at 6:47 PM
“Taking into account what traditional Christan values are, and also taking into account the level of corruption in our government today, what Christan values do you find issue with?”
I think you have pointed out what I am talking about. There are myriad good ideas out there about how you treat your fellow traveller. What makes them Christian values? Nothing at all. They are just proper behavior. You don’t need Christianity to do that, and most of it was enumerated long before Christ lived. I’m not expressing it very well, but there is this idea that if you aren’t a Christian, you don’t have morals or know how to treat others and it just isn’t so.
About thirty years ago I stopped to help a fellow who was struggling in a parking lot in Beckley, WV with his dead auto. I don’t remember what the problem was, but I wasn’t busy and loaded him in my car, drove him to the auto parts store, brought him back to the dead auto and helped him put the parts on. When we were done, we were both soaked and cold; he offered to pay me and I said no. He invited me to his church. I said I was an atheist.
It had a profound effect on him. He kept looking at me like I was from Mars. “How can you spend two hours in a snowstorm, cold and wet, drive me to the parts store and help me put them on and not believe in God?” I told him I believed we should treat each other well BECAUSE we were alone and had nobody else.
Never saw him again. He never got it.
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By: pfesser53 on August 15, 2011
at 6:18 PM
Ron Paul remains media poison
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61412.html
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By: uawtradesman on August 15, 2011
at 3:45 PM
John F Kennedy also damaged our country and one might argue he indirectly led us to the place where Nixon undid the gold standard. Kennedy wanted a clean invasion of Cuba and he failed to protect the Bay of Pigs invaders. They begged for air support which was available off shore, but Kennedy didn’t approve it. He abandoned them.
Kennedy fell into a depression because he regretted what had happened. He also said that Khrushev believed him to be a stupid weakling after the Vienna conference. The day after the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy knew he had to regain face. He sent more troops to Vietnam and continued the buildup which followed.
We need traditional Christian values in government whether our leaders are religious or not.
Sometimes, I think atheists take issue with Christianity because it threatens their own religion.
Ron Paul is not my choice, Poolman, but we could do worse.
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By: James on August 15, 2011
at 3:43 PM
Secondly, others’ beliefs are their own business absolutely – until they try to insinuate them into the government,
Taking into account what traditional Christan values are, and also taking into account the level of corruption in our government today, what Christan values do you find issue with?
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By: Anonymous on August 15, 2011
at 3:12 PM
Bite your tongue, uaw! Right now it looks like Ron Paul gets my vote, unless Obama is able to pull a rabbit out his hat before then.
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By: poolman on August 15, 2011
at 3:02 PM
Sorry – didn’t mean to get so aggressive there. Frankly, the Palins, Bushes, Bachmanns and Perrys scare me to death. And it’s a damned shame, because I believe Perry has what it takes to get us out of this financial death spiral. Oh well…
On to something more germane to everyday life. Milton Friedman, when asked which president did the most damage to the American economy, stated flatly: Richard Nixon. And his most egregious mistake was not Watergate, it was taking us completely off the gold standard.
This is the best explanation of what “money” actually is – nothing but a yardstick that allows one good or service to be measured in value against another, since in the final analysis, we are trading goods and services with each other, not money. And an excellent analysis IMHO as to how taking us off a solid currency has damaged this country. (Frankly, I am not optimistic about our future for at least the next twenty years. Heck, I just hope we survive…)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Today-Marks-40th-Anniversary-wscheats-1950132810.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=
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By: PFesser on August 15, 2011
at 2:13 PM
Anon –
Couple of things: firstly, while religion is not for me, I have no problem with what others believe. But, on the other hand, religion gets a kind of “pass” that other equally improbable beliefs would not. (i.e. the unicorn/skittles belief. Folks would just say, “That’s just silly!” Why, yes it is, isn’t it? So why give any MORE consideration to something equally unlikely?) So I don’t give it any more respect than I would flying cookie monsters or skittles-pooping unicorns. Nor any less; it’s just that religious people are not used to being held to the same standards as others and they perceive that as persecution or, my personal favorite, “militant atheism.”
Secondly, others’ beliefs are their own business absolutely – until they try to insinuate them into the government, and then we have a fight on our hands. Clearly the Dominionist movement is trying to do that, and starting with Carter, Reagan, Bush the Lesser, etc. these folks are trying more and more to force their particular religion on the public and I have a problem with that.
American government is secular. Period. And it will remain so. And you can count on it – any time the camel tries to stick its nose under the tent and breach that Wall Between Cjurch and State, there will be people just like me to put a stop to it. Not only is it bad for the church, it is death for the State and it will NOT happen.
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By: PFesser on August 15, 2011
at 12:50 PM
??????????????
Poolman is going to vote for either Michele Backmann or Rick Perry?????????
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By: uawtradesman on August 15, 2011
at 12:44 PM
PFesser,
Truth comes from many sources and the “Christian scripture” is one source. You will find other writings that agree with many of the precepts found in the Bible. Can you dispute the truth regarding our “treasure” and our “heart”? Of course, the physical organ that is our heart and the “core of our being” or our “innermost self” may or may not reside in the same space. One is physically tangible while the other is vapor.
From my perspective, I can see God’s signature in and on everything in creation. We can choose to overlook it and even ask for another “miracle” for proof. Either way, we all must deal with our relationship to this universe in one form or fashion, as we are all bound by it’s laws.
Some see design and purpose where others see randomness or chaos. What causes birds and fish to move in sync? Why does one seed become a tree and another a carrot? Most people are so caught into the struggle that we call life, or live in a synthetic world of their own making, that we rarely ponder the important questions or take time to observe the world around us. That is why we are instructed to “have child-like faith”. A child doesn’t carry as many preconceived notions that limit his/her perceptions.
You can choose to ignore scripture and deem it prudent to do so, but you won’t be able to claim ignorance and you do it at your own peril. None of it should ever be forced on you, as some would choose to govern.
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By: poolman on August 15, 2011
at 12:05 PM
Religion is not one of those things that is supposed to make sense to the analytical mind. It is about faith. It is not something that is quantifiable. There is no empirical data to back up the majority of their claims, that is just not what it is about. At the very least you have a interesting story that is a guide on how to live a good life. I get the atheist position, partially. I get that as an atheist you don’t believe. What I do not get is the opposition to religion in general. If non belief is based on knowing their is no truth to it, what harm can you be caused by other’s beliefs, if what they believe typically only makes them better human beings.
Lets say you have an imaginary friend. I do not care as long as that friend isn’t telling you to go kill someone. If you are otherwise a productive, healthy person, who might just be a little lonely and are somehow better for having that imaginary friend, then more power to you. I have my beliefs, I do not care if others do not share in those beliefs, or believe in things that conflict with what I believe. As long as their beliefs are not imposed on me then we have no problems. Why is that not the case with many atheists? Why are they so proactive to have God removed from everything? What harm do they feel they are being caused?
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By: Anonymous on August 15, 2011
at 11:52 AM
Poolman, the problem with quoting Christian scripture is that it conveniently bypasses the very first question: why, when all religious dogma says that all OTHER religious dogma is in error, should one pick THAT one to believe? Where is the proof that Christian writings are true and everybody else is wrong? Can’t all be true; in fact only one (or NONE) can be so.
Until someone can answer that first question, I believe one has to reject it all. He who asserts bears the burden of proof. As I have said before, if I believe unicorns visit my property every night and poop Skittles, it is not up to you to prove me wrong; it is my burden to prove it is so. (I look for Skittles every morning when I get up, but don’t tell anybody.) Claims for hundreds of imaginary beings have been made; it is not the public’s burden to prove they don’t exist; it is up to the proponents to prove their case.
I believe prudence dictates that they should simply be ignored until they do.
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By: PFesser on August 15, 2011
at 11:11 AM
Paul Krugman acknowledged that like Obanomics, the New Deal failed to end the Great Depression. World War 11 ended it. n
“If we discovered that, you know, space aliens were planing to attack and we needed a buildup to counter the space alien threat and we needed a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat and really inflation and budget deficits took place, this slump would be over in eight
teen months. Then if we discovered, oops there aren’t any aliens, then we’d be better-“
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By: James on August 15, 2011
at 10:33 AM
I like the music selection, alaskapi. Here is mine.
“He used to be somebody’s baby
Someone used to hold him close, and rock him gently
He used to be the light in someone’s eyes
He used to matter, he used to matter
Someone cared if he lived or died
Someone held him in their arms when he cried
Someone loved him…
That was then, that was so long ago
That was before they came and took his soul
Long before he became invisible…”
Somebody’s Baby
Pat Benitar
I especially like Eve of Destruction, and I enjoy Barry MGuire’s work with the New Chisty Minstrals.
How Far We’ve Come has a similar theme to Eve of Destruction except it describes life of our mass evacuation during the week of June 1. Okies likely felt the same when they left the Dust Bowl.
Waking up at the start of
the end of the world, but
its feeling just like every
other morning before
Now I’m wondering
what my life is gonna
mean when its gone.
The cars are moving like a
half a mile an hour and
back, try to stare as the
passengers are wheeling right by
Say all goodbyes if
you have someone
you can say goodbye to
Its all gone baby its all
gone, there’s no one on
the corner and there’s
no one at home
And I believe it all is
coming to an end, oh
well, I guess we’re
gonna pretend
Top 10 NASCAR finishes cousinearl216 video with” How Far We’ve Come” by Matchbox Twenty
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By: James on August 15, 2011
at 10:19 AM
The Koch Brothers are trying to tear down public schools! Bussing was the wedge issue they push. Important video
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/08/koch-brothers-school-segregation-americans-prosperity
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By: Anonymous on August 15, 2011
at 9:54 AM
The first two of the ten commandments address that. God is Spirit, no physical image represents Him, and we aren’t to create any.
As far as worship, where your treasure is there will your heart be also. That comes from scripture. Whatever you treasure most, you “idolize”. As a believer, as long as God is first and foremost and everything else secondary, you’re good to love and “idolize” as much as you want. The warning stands if any of these “secondary” things try to usurp God’s position. As humans, we tend to lose focus and wander, so we need continual guidance.
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By: poolman on August 15, 2011
at 9:35 AM
In the early days, polytheism ran rampant God declared all others to be false idols to hurt the competition.
He is a “jealous god.” You give up free will to no one but God. You only worship and adore Him. Its all about God and nothing else. Only He can save you. False idols will forsake you. There is no deity but God and all others are not. Thus, when others reject God, they follow false idols and will surely be lost.
That’s what I was taught. I’m not there any more, but Poolman’s logic makes sense to me based on my early lessons.
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By: James on August 15, 2011
at 9:29 AM
If by worked, you mean sending us into financial destitution, then yes, it worked as intended.
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By: Anonymous on August 15, 2011
at 9:24 AM
A new shows the stimulus worked!
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/08/it-looks-stimulus-worked-after-all
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By: Anonymous on August 15, 2011
at 9:14 AM
So your God is not an idol, but everything else is?
I’m not trying to give you a hard time, but I really, really don’t get it. Other gods are “idols,” if like my TV, it’s an idol, if I am smitten by what the Statue of Liberty represents, that’s an idol. It is so easy to just sling words around like “idol,” but what is the point? What does that mean? So it’s OK for you to worship an invisible friend, but not OK for me to get choked up when I read the inscription on the Statue or visit Jefferson’s grave – both of which represent *real* things that are IMPORTANT?
Can’t speak for anybody else, but I personally don’t *worship* anything. Some things are extremely important, but I would never surrender my free will to *anything* – especially something imaginary, holding MY imaginary friend to be superior to everybody else’s imaginary friend and worthy of worship.
I guess it is like, say, a foot fetish. If you are not into feet you cannot really understand at all what the deal is. Same with gods. I really, really don’t get how anyone can say, “my god is the real deal and all the other ones are not.” It would seem to me that, once you understand why YOU reject all the other gods, you will understand why others reject YOURS.
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By: PFesser on August 15, 2011
at 9:05 AM
By definition, yes. The Statue of Liberty is just one of many American idols. We love our idols, even dedicate TV shows to them. Anything or anyone we set on a pedestal and “worship” or “pay homage to” is an idol. Think national symbols too. Anything that holds a higher position in our life than God is an idol, even if it is a religious icon or symbol.
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By: poolman on August 15, 2011
at 8:42 AM
Losers are forgotten and. . .
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By: Honest Abe Lincoln on August 15, 2011
at 8:09 AM
‘…something else that one of the religious loonies Perry pals around with said: The Statue of Liberty is an idol given to America by the French Freemasons. ‘
“Most of our national symbols/DC landmarks/government buildings are designed by Freemasons with Masonic and/or occultic symbology.”
So you think the Statue of Liberty is an idol?
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By: pfesser53 on August 15, 2011
at 4:28 AM
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By: alaskapi on August 15, 2011
at 12:38 AM
Not thinking we ever learn..
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By: alaskapi on August 15, 2011
at 12:20 AM
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By: alaskapi on August 15, 2011
at 12:17 AM
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By: alaskapi on August 15, 2011
at 12:14 AM
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By: alaskapi on August 14, 2011
at 11:43 PM
Stop coddling the Rich! Good Info
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 10:32 PM
Google it. Most of our national symbols/DC landmarks/government buildings are designed by Freemasons with Masonic and/or occultic symbology. Ever wonder what all those designs on the dollar bill were about?
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By: poolman on August 14, 2011
at 9:29 PM
what if the Anonymous’s grew a set of balls and got a name……….other than asshat
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By: uawtradesman on August 14, 2011
at 9:23 PM
What if the
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 8:32 PM
santorum (san-TOR-um) n.
1. The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter
that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.
I googled it.
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 8:26 PM
You go Pfessor. I don’t care it they are gay, straight, or transgendered. If one of them likes cats or dogs, then I have a problem.
We are visiting a place with cable. The author of a book about the graying of the world said if a couple reaches 63, there is a good chance at least one of them will live to see ninety.
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By: James on August 14, 2011
at 8:10 PM
Speaking of homophobic religious nut cases. Some time google “santorum” – as in “Rick Santorum.” I don’t think *he’s* going to the White House any time soon unless he changes his name. I would recommend “Skippy Sashay.”
No – wait a minute. Mr. Bachmann already is using that name. Darn.
As my bud Rush Limbaugh is fond of saying – “actions have consequences.” Yep – ask Mr. Santorum about that…LOL
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By: PFesser on August 14, 2011
at 8:02 PM
Right on, people. All you have to do is simply expose the Bachmanns, Perrys and Palins for who they are. No need to opine or attack. As Brandeis said, “bright sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants.” Just let them be themselves, but be sure *everybody* sees it. The disgust – and humor – will do the work and we will all be shut of those of this ilk. And the great thing is that they are so darned entertaining, too!
Which reminds me – I forgot something else that one of the religious loonies Perry pals around with said: The Statue of Liberty is an idol given to America by the French Freemasons. Ya just couldn’t make this stuff up.
That wonderful, wubbulous world. Sigh…
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By: PFesser on August 14, 2011
at 7:56 PM
Anon: Your interest in my sexuality I find curious.
Are you one of those, “I hate Gays”, ‘Gays are evil” and then find yourself calling up a call boy to service you?
Are you a gay in the closet?
Just wondering. Thanks for asking.
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 7:45 PM
More on Bachmann… President Bachmann – OK. – sure thrills me.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/14/michele-bachmann-stimulus-money-chris-wallace_n_926406.html?1313332005&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 5:51 PM
Never would have took you for a gay basher Joe…you seem to spend a lot of time on this subject, might I ask why?
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 5:22 PM
Is Marcus Bachmann Gay? Here are some pictures to check out. Read the comments after the pictures. It really should not matter but Michelle is such a homophobe and Marcus is Mr. “Pray the Gay Away,” so it is worth considering.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/marcus-bachmann-tries-to-put-down.html
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 4:50 PM
Verizon paid no taxes the last two years actually.
http://usuncut.org/targets/verizon
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 4:39 PM
Verizon got 1 Billion in subsidies from the US Government. Now they are insisting on 1 Billion from its workers and they are shipping jobs overseas.
http://ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2011/08/verizon_pushes_for_1_billion_i.php
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 4:34 PM
Texas has a few firsts:
Percent of uninsured children (1st)
Percent of population uninsured (1st)
Amount of carbon dioxide emissions (1st)
Amount of toxic chemicals released into water (1st)
Amount of hazardous waste generated (1st)
Number of executions (1st)
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 4:23 PM
Excellent Mageen. Glad I could give a recovering patient a laugh. It’s the best medicine. I hadn’t thought of it since about 7th grade either, and still found it funny.
And it seems about age appropriate for this place of silliness.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 14, 2011
at 3:16 PM
I got a better idea for the Teabaggee’s idea of secession. Let the entire South, South Central and heartland U.S. secede, absolutely no crossing the lines, no sharing of resources – including crude oil or water; no immigration or emigration.
His idea doesn’t take into account the impossibility of logistics. And since Texas was the first to hint of secession, they’ll definitely need to be included in those seceding. We can use Obama’s state popularity ratings to decide which way to swing.
Come about this October, we’ll see how the Teabaggee’s like to do without fuel, wheat, and in many cases water. Hopefully, you won’t need access to most ports or much freight.
We can do without movies, Broadway plays, Maine lobster, and Asparagus and we’ll create our own new Wall Street, say centered in Dallas minus the established riff raff. It needs to be cleaned up anyway from the nasty Dim corrupting influence.
When do can start the experiment? The sooner, the better.
See if you head Teabaggees can arrange that before the weather turns, will you?
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 14, 2011
at 3:13 PM
www22.verizon.com/investor/app_resources/interactive…
Found it! Read it but do not really understand it. Apparently there is some sort of silent partner involved and certain tax concepts that sound nearly metaphysical.
Heywood, the men in my house got real laugh out of jablome. They hadn’t heard anything like that since 7th grade or so they tell me.
Anything that will give a recovering cancer patient a laugh is worth it.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 14, 2011
at 3:04 PM
I understand someone is feeding you info to repost and drive web traffic Joe so I will make this simple for you if your employer hasn’t the time. I want to see your proof of the following claims you have made.
1) Show me the tax code where Verizon gets a tax break for the act of sending jobs from the US to other countries.
2) Show me Verizon’s tax of $0
3) having show 2, show that Verizon then received a payment of $1 billion+ thus actually making a profit on their federal tax.
I only ask because I wouldn’t want people to think you spread unfounded propaganda and would stoop so low as to disseminate false information,
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 2:42 PM
I am sure you are not talking out the side of your ass Joe, so please show us a link where you got this information.
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 2:35 PM
Republicans turned down 10 program cuts to 1 tax increase concept. $10.00 in program cuts to $1.00 in increased taxes. HELL NO SAY THE REPUBLICANS!!
WHY? BILLIONAIRES NEED A TAX DEDUCTION FOR THEIR PRIVATE JETS!!! Sitting First Class in a commercial jet is just not good enough! You and I should pay for their luxuries.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bachmann-no-one-would-take-10-1-deal-durin
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 2:34 PM
They get a tax break for sending US JOBS OVERSEAS!!! You approve of course.
Verizon got a billion + back and they paid no Federal Taxes. TRUE!
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 2:25 PM
Actually no it is not accurate, and I am going to have to call you a liar on this one. If you understood business and the deduction process you would know why.
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 2:19 PM
Verizon taxes: I have faith in you for finding the information. It is accurate.
TEA BAGGER HEAVEN!! A fellow proposed that Tea Baggers be given a few states to play with their concept of Government. They would pay no Federal Taxes but they would get no Federal Benefits either. Interesting Concept. Tea Baggers would either put up or shut up. If they had flooding – no federal help (No social security, medicare or medicaid either.)
Interesting Idea!
http://off-centerviews.blogspot.com/2011/08/note-to-tea-party-put-up-or-shut-up-and.html
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 2:14 PM
So do you have any proof that Verizon paid no taxes AND got a billion+ $?
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 1:44 PM
QUITE GOOD!
Verizon is sending jobs overseas. They got a billion+ back from the IRS even though they paid no Federal Taxes. A Republican Rep in asked to justify her free trade stand. She has the Koch brothers talking points down pat. The audience not too happy with her answers but who cares what those who need jobs think/
http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-quinnell/rep-nan-hayworth-r-ny-dodges-ques
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 1:17 PM
even I’ll say it….
Haywood=asshat
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By: uawtradesman on August 14, 2011
at 1:04 PM
Woodenhead? Really?
Usually when a fine line or in your case, thin, is mentioned..it is between something good and something bad. So of the choices, sociopath and psycho, which is the good and which way is that line pushing?
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 1:03 PM
Hey Woodenhead:
There’s a thin line between a sociopath and a psycho.
You seem to be pushing the line.
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 12:50 PM
I was assuming the troll commentary was pointed toward juanajoe and his endless links to drive web traffic.
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 12:33 PM
If the REAL definition of a troll is someone who purposely kicks the termite’s nest of wooden headed lies eating at the very structure of our civilization, by correcting the record and stating the facts which stir the fire, taking a few liberties by bullying bullies with their own game, if even playing bully with incredibly low self-esteem (snicker) and absolutely no sense of accomplishment (poor poor, pitiful me)….
If that’s the definition of a REAL troll – stirring the lying fires by tossing a grenade on the termite nest or shooting a cannonball at the gnats, low esteem or otherwise, then I for one happily, proudly and for eternally wear that badge of TROLL at Margaret & Helen’s.
It’s worth the charges from dubious sources to correct the record.
If truth stirs the fire, and troll and truth go together in same sentence, so be it.
Haywood = TROLL and proud of it.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 14, 2011
at 12:25 PM
Its 78 in Omaha where we are now. It rained 1.50 inches at home this week.
Much of our corn and beans are under six feet of water. The rest looks beautiful.
The string beans are yielding well and our vines are growing little watermelons. We are buying sweet corn because ours is flooded. It is a good year for garden crops here.
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By: James on August 14, 2011
at 11:58 AM
I read the article you linked to. Dr. Elwynn Taylor ISU extension climatologist said human influence may account for about 6 to 10% per year. It may not sound like much, but like compound interest, it adds up over time.
The world has not warmed enough to change long-term cycles, and they continue to operate. Taylor says we are roughly where we were in the 1920’s and headed toward another thirties type dust bowl. That will include some the warmest averages in decades and bitter cold.Thus, our weather will be more extreme over the next decade.
A NASA study shows the earth is losing more ground heat than predicted by rising amounts of co2 in the atmosphere. That implies our climate change is driven more by natural than human forces.
Some of the pollution India and China are producing may off -set other gasses and cause a cooling effect . More soot is dropping on Arctic ice. It enhances melting.
A feed back system might speed warming if too much permifrost melts. It would release methane gas which holds heat more efficiently that co2. Large resevours of methane gas are stored under pressure beneath our oceans. If it was to gasify and boil to the surface runnaway warming would result. It may have happened once in our past.
The earth’s rate of temperature increase has stabilized over the last decade. The weak solar storm cycle may account for the pause. Now, it is becoming more active.
Geological studies show we have been living in an atypical moderate period though most of our stay in America. 5,000 years ago, the plains were so dry the buffalo and Indians had to leave. A thousand years ago, a two hundred year drought turned the Nebraska Sand Hills into migrating sand dunes. It has happened many times in the past.
Studies in the Oklahoma panhandle show that for the past ten thousand years, moisture to support human life as we know it has fallen about 25% of the time. Scientists predict the heartland wet spell will last for another hundred years. We are also overdue for an extreme thirties type drought which may have begun in the South this year.
In my opinion Al Gore type solutions will do more to redistribute the world’s wealth than stop climate change. We need to do what we can with incentives to develop sustainable renewable energy sources and to conserve, but basically we’re screwed. We will have to adapt or die.
I think the sun influences our weather. Another nasty surprise may be what astronomers call the Carrington Effect. In 1859, a British man named Carrington watched one of the biggest solar flares in history. The super flair scourched telegraph wires and even made telegraphs turned off send signals. Electricity from telegraph wires started fires.
Astronomers think such a storm could repeat during the next few years. If it aimed toward Earth, we would have more to worry about than hotter summers.
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By: James on August 14, 2011
at 11:52 AM
lets talk climate change…..68* by Saginaw Bay…..corn’s 8 ft tall…ragweed is 6 ft…..cucumbers have the wilt….3/4″ rain in the last week….
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By: uawtradesman on August 14, 2011
at 11:46 AM
We had to fight in Afghanistan because it was the center of attack, though one could make a case for Saudi Arabia and Iran too.
I didn’t support invading Iraq when we did, because we were already fighting in Afghanstan and another war took away resources needed there. Democrats and much of the world intelligence community believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It doesn’t matter if Bush lied or not. It is now Obama’s war.
LBJ lied to enhance our involvement in Vietnam, but it became Nixon’s responsibility to fight and end the war.
The wars, prescription drugs policy, and even our over zealous throwing money at Katrina victims took our money faster than taxes could replenish it.. Pick a program. It probably added to the deficit. Obama inherited a mess, but he has not been able to fix it.He has made the deficit grow even faster than it did. I always thought Keynesian economics could work, but now, I don’t know. After two years, Obama has made it his near recession.
I will share my opinion about climate change later. As you see, we do agree on some things.
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By: James on August 14, 2011
at 11:17 AM
Who lied us into a war? SEEMS GW did a good job of starting a war on made up reasons and then ineptly kept it going and going and going with no thought of winning it. (Who killed Bin Laden?) Once a war started – it was set to run forever.
Does fighting two wars plus giving prescription drugs without negotiating price drain our economy? I think yes, wars and Bush Prescription drugs policy is making a serious deficit. You can also throw in the TAX CREDITS FOR THE WEALTHIEST which goes straight to deficit.
CAN WE start to TALK about CLIMATE CHANGE yet? Just wondering. There seem to be some weird things happening to our weather world wide. Does man have an impact on our environment?
http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green_news/382/five-signs-of-climate-change-from-record-hot-2010.html
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 10:40 AM
The economy is also Obama’s responsibility. He said “vote for me, and this will happen.” That happened instead. Like the war, the economy belongs to the president.
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By: James on August 14, 2011
at 10:37 AM
They are now Obama’s wars. Bush is gone.
Its true we are asking our troops to do too much sometimes. Our niece and her husband have been deployed three times. War is Hell.
I have supported most of Obama’s war policy. He inherited two wars, and one cannot just leave without causing many people to die.
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By: James on August 14, 2011
at 10:34 AM
I didn’t know that Bush was still the Commander-in-Chief…..Seems to me that any deployment in the last couple of years falls on the Obama wars……Didn’t he basically say “Vote for me, I want the responsibility”…..guess what…..He’s now responsible…….
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By: uawtradesman on August 14, 2011
at 10:28 AM
A soldier about to be deployed for the ninth time KILLS HIMSELF!
Can we talk about the unprecedented suicide rate of military personnel because of the two BUSH WARS? It is a sad fact of life.
Military personnel are committing suicide because of their part in the BUSH WARS!!! The wars are ruining the economy as well as taking the lives of great men. Our society if worse off because of Iraq and the continued involvement in Afghanistan.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/facing-ninth-deployment-army-ranger-k
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 9:43 AM
Dead Fish and Goo in Louisiana!!!!! Should we be concerned? I think YES!
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/black-slimy-foamy-water-hundreds-dead-fish-still-mystery-louisiana?CID=examiner_alerts_article
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By: Anonymous on August 14, 2011
at 9:35 AM
Wow. I need a gin and tonic after reading all these comments. The minority of hate for one man is overwhelming. Its no wonder that things cant get done in congress when a simple blog can generate so much respewed propaganda from questionable intellects. “The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory.” ~Thomas Jefferson
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By: Jeff Ossola on August 14, 2011
at 9:04 AM
Honeyjorumples, I try not to be insulting. Yes Hayward is insulting, but my point was his numbers which came from the government show what happened. His figures didn’t insult anyone. They are part of the historical record. Read the numbers and disregard the rest.
You were being sarcastic, but the Bush tax cuts were good as you wrote. History from before 1920 to the present shows the right kind of tax cut encourages economic activity and wealth creation. The New York Times called the extra government money a “surprise windfall.”
Economic activity enhances revenue, and that is what happened during the Bush administration. Republicans and especially Democrats in Congress spent too much money, but even so we might have worked toward a surplus had the economy not crashed.
Unsupportable debt, not Bush or Obama, ultimately, crashed the economy,– . Starting after the Savings and Loan crisis, the Clinton administration and others pressured banks to loan more home purchase money to poor people. Many of these loans had no visible means of support. Banks and other financial institutions repackaged the mortgages to sell to others, so they wouldn’t be left holding the bag. Lax regulations let them pollute the world with derivitives and other objects not worth the paper they were printed on.
The Bush administration and Democratic Congress created much of the deficit, but what took Bush eight years to build, the Obama administration has done in two years. He inherited a mess, and no matter who’s fault it is our deficite tragectory is unsupportable. Obama’s plans have not worked yet. We need a change.
Bohener did not win 98% of the deal.He was just saying that to keep his troops from rebelling. The numbers are the only things which don’t lie and even they are subject to interpretation. Both sides put us in this mess because they are cowards and assumed the crash would come after they were dead or retired. Thanks to them we all will be paying higher taxes eventually, and jobs will be hard to find for at least the next two years.
I like your message Pfessor.
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By: James on August 14, 2011
at 7:42 AM
Getting into an argument on the internet is like competing in the special olympics…even if you win, you’re still retarded.
Sometimes I feel like I just entered the twilight zone when I visit M&H
Peace
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By: Raji on August 14, 2011
at 7:24 AM
The REAL definition of a troll is someone who posts for no reason except to stir the fires. Sometimes a bully, most times just someone with low self-esteem who hasn’t accomplished much and can’t stand it that there are people who have.
There are folks posting here who most often take the opposite view from this admittedly liberal blog, but do so with grace, dignity and respect. You know who you are. I personally like to read what they have to say in order to hear the other side of things.
There are others however who fill the definition of troll perfectly. You know who you are too – and I would suspect also know why you behave the way you do. Where I come from, some rough-assed coal miner would slap you until you peed your pants, but of course here you are out of reach.
I repeat: there is absolutely no way of dealing with a REAL troll except to ignore him. NONE. But be aware that initially he will begin to post like mad, just like the monkey who ceases to get his treat when he presses the bar starts pressing frantically. Same principle. If you respond to a troll you reinforce them and will be saddled forever. The technique used is call a P.I.S.S. – Passive Ignoring Silence Strike. Not easy to do, takes a while; it works.
I’ve been on the Internet since it was all text – that principle was understood even back then and has never changed. I suggest giving it a shot. Just my $.05.
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By: PFesser on August 14, 2011
at 5:12 AM
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By: poolman on August 14, 2011
at 12:44 AM
Hey Woody!
Looks like you’ve been up for more than four hours.
Better call your doctor.
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By: poolman on August 14, 2011
at 12:29 AM
Old Hags – that earns respect?
You need to follow your own rules.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 11:24 PM
HoneyJorumples
then you’re bright enough to know that knowing your audience and respecting them is rule 1 of getting them to listen to you
Do you feel the majority of the blogs Liberal posters follow this rule?
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 10:12 PM
Breaking News: S & P just downgraded Iowa’s IQ
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/131c5f7f7d47c6b3
One last time: BUSH CREATED 60+ percent of the current deficit
http://thatmansscope.blogspot.com/2011/07/the-sunday-ny-times-teresa-tritch-had.html
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 9:30 PM
“Anon, read what Haywood wrote at 6:27PM and learn something.”
James, if Haywood would present the information in even a semi-respectful tone, perhaps more people here would take it under advisement. But no one is simply going to pay any attention to such a disrespectful post about all the things “libbies” are too stupid to understad and “President Zero.” If you guys are bright enough to actually know what you’re talking about, then you’re bright enough to know that knowing your audience and respecting them is rule 1 of getting them to listen to you. Which tells me you don’t really care if anyone here listens to you. You just want the adrenaline rush of being nasty and evil.
The Bush tax cuts were a good thing. This bad economy is all Obama’s fault. But, the Bush tax cuts are still in place. Obama has talked about letting them expire, but they haven’t yet. He’s caved to the Republicans all the way on this matter. John Boehner bragged and gloated that he got 98% of everything he wanted, he’s very happy. Yet the resulting mess is all Obama’s fault. To be honest, all the fancy number crunching in the world doesn’t insterest me nearly as much as these few simple facts do.
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By: HoneyJorumples on August 13, 2011
at 9:13 PM
By the way: The Bush de-regulation of Enron, Banks, and free giving tax breaks tp corporations for sending jobs overseas CRASHED THE ECONOMY. Did I mention banking and mortgages crashed because of Bush de-regulation policies.
DID BUSH PAY FOR HIS TWO WARS AS THEY WERE FOUGHT? NO!!!
We owe China now because of those two wars. Remember: They would be done in short order and iraq will pay us back – RIGHT!
did bush pay for the prescription drugs policy he created? NO We borrowed from China which caused the deficit we are now facing.
DID BUSH PAY FOR THE TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHIIEST AS THEY WERE PAID TO THE RICH? NO – We owe China now.
DID THE WEALTHY CREAT JOBS IN THE US WITH THOSE TAX CUTS?
NO They banked a lot and played the stock market which went up by sending jobs overseas.
BUSH CRASHED THE ECONOMY!!!! It is pretty simple really.
Off Budget wars: Obama got into office and put the wars on budget thus immediately showing a larger deficit because he was using real (not made up) numbers. I thank him for being honest. Wish GW had used honest numbers instead of playing the OFF BUDGET GAME, which created low and unsupported numbers.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 9:05 PM
This guy is being spoon fed information and is just regurgitating it all over the blog. As these are not his thoughts he is obviously unable to articulate any kind of a meaningful response.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 8:28 PM
Did Bush pay for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars during his years as President or were they paid for by China? Paid for by China and they expect to be paid back!!!! is the answer
Did the Prescription drug benefit get paid as they were used or was it put on a credit card? It was put on a credit card!!!
Were the Bush tax cuts paid for or did we borrow money from China to pay for them? China loaned us the money and wants to be paid back!!!!
Bush created the deficit – plain and simple!!!!
I like cutting wars to help cut costs myself.
http://www.necn.com/08/09/11/Rep-Barney-Frank-says-US-should-look-to-/landing_newengland.html?blockID=547024&feedID=4206
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 8:21 PM
I swear, cold hard facts are like Kryptonite to super uber libs! They’re losing their minds at the utter failure of President Axelrod.
But wait, there’s still hope. Maybe Zero can calm the seas! That’s what you guys promised. You are the generation we’ve waited for! 😈
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 8:07 PM
Others and I have already demonstrated the difference between the Obama and Bush deficits-and the reasons they rose during his administrations. Revenues increased, but Republicans and especially Democrats after they won a majority spent faster than the money came in.
“Yelling” that they are “the Bush deficits” is simplistic and untrue when we all know Obama and the Democrats have taken spending to a new level.
My point stands. Obama is a spent force, and his star quality is gone, even if he wins another termr. Palin will follow once she becomes more of a certainty.
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By: James on August 13, 2011
at 7:55 PM
Bush’s Off budget trick! Bush would say – Wars and drugs will cost XXXX. It really cost XXXXXXXX but he did not report the real cost, so his numbers looked great. Finally, when the numbers came out at the end of his Presidency – they could be pushed onto the new guy.
Crashing the economy???? Oh yeah, Not adding and subtracting as well as letting corporations have no regulations will actually crash the economy.
Bush was the problem and we are paying for his mistakes today with no help from the Republicans. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!! Time for some jobs bills.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 7:42 PM
Budget deficits – THEY ARE THE BUSH DEFICITS! There is a lot of changing facts. BUSH KEPT WARS – OFF BUDGET, so they did not show up until the new guy took office. Cute trick.
http://thatmansscope.blogspot.com/2011/07/the-sunday-ny-times-teresa-tritch-had.html
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 7:23 PM
Iowa Results: Check out the picture of Sarah Palin getting attention. (Last Picture)
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/here-are-iowa-straw-poll-results-try-to.html
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 7:09 PM
Anon, read what Haywood wrote at 6:27PM and learn something. I and others have posted the same information.
At least wait until your two posts are not juxtaposed so closely. When they are nearby, you look bad.
Our schools need to start teaching economics to grade schoolers.
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By: James on August 13, 2011
at 7:02 PM
Bush gave us two wars! Bush gave us prescription drugs which were not paid for. BUSH GAVE US TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHIEST! BUSH CUT REGULATION WHICH ENDED UP CRASHING THE ECONOMY!
We want wars and Prescription drugs – WE NEED TO PAY FOR THEM!
IT is time to stop the tax cuts and get some revenue inhancements for corporations. Corporations used to pay taxes = the good old days.
That was before Corporations became people.
It is time to do what is right for our country. Lots of news tthere actually.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 6:35 PM
Here’s another prime example of what upstanding citizens some of those fine public and private union
goonsemployees are – the backbone of Dimocratic politics.Verizon Site Mischief Cuts Police Phone Service
http://www.wtae.com/r/28846881/detail.html#ixzz1UpxXvTnU
Here’s a cause and effect – a correlation if you will.
The worse President Zero polls, and the closer it gets to the 2012 Presidential election, the closer urban America begins to look a lot like London burning.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 6:35 PM
Hey! Two accurate quotes by accident from a lib.
Correct.
2008 Republican candidate Mike Huckabee ring any bells? You won’t be running against Bachmann, much as you’d like that. Guaranteed…
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 6:30 PM
RINO’s all Anon – no story there. Including the lying idiot who formulated TARP. That’s who you are going to quote? You’d do better to listen to Government Motors management for investment advice.
Here’s the facts about revenue enhancements.
It’s counter intuitive to libs, who are bad at math and will never understand this, but real tax cuts increase incentive for growth, leading to revenue “enhancements”.
Remember those George Bush tax cuts you goobers keep quoting from the most aptly named Crooks and Liars – that it didn’t work? Not what the historical numbers say. Plus, we had full employment which Zero would give his right nut for at this minute.
Revenues fell in Bush’s first two years because of a combination of the tech bust and the start of the tax cuts. But then things took off. After taking in $1.782 trillion in tax revenues in 2003, the government collected $1.88 trillion in 2004; $2.153 trillion in 2005; $2.406 trillion in 2006; and $2.567 trillion in 2007, according to figures compiled by the Office of Management and Budget. That’s a 44 percent increase from 2003 to 2007. . . . Get that libs? A 44% increase. “Everybody talks about how much the Bush tax cuts ‘cost,’” says one GOP strategist. “We’re saying, no, they led to a huge increase in revenue.”
After beginning with a Clinton-era surplus in 2001, the Bush administration ran up deficits of $158 billion in 2002; $378 billion in 2003; and $413 billion in 2004. Then, with revenues pouring in, the deficits began to fall: $318 billion in 2005; $248 billion in 2006; and $161 billion in 2007. That 2007 deficit, with the tax cuts in effect, was one-tenth of today’s $1.6 trillion deficit.
And libbies, that includes the “expenses” for all of those bad war deficits. Stick those bogus charges up your rectum too.
Those are the facts about federal revenue and if anybody wants to place about those figures, I’ve got the wallet out.
Until the bottom dropped out in 2008, which had nothing to do with tax cuts but trillions in toxic assets from Obama’s Fannie and Freddie buddies, and Barney “Lsisp” Frank and Chris ‘three fingers’ Dodd pushing bad loans, plus large mortgage lending campaign contributors to El Flambe Presidente, we were actually trending toward a balanced budget.
Can any Lib here possibly comprehend what I just wrote? Doubtful…
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 6:27 PM
Bachmann won the straw poll! Obama must be quaking in his boots!
Assertion that the Iowa straw poll doesn’t matter in 3… 2… 1….
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 6:24 PM
President Michelle Bachman and/or President Ron Paul is the result of polling in Iowa. Let us pray!!!!! Markus – tell your wife what to do next.
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/michele-bachmann-wins-ames-iowa-straw-poll
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 6:20 PM
OH MY, OH MY! PROMINENT REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING REVENUES AS WELL AS CUTTING BUDGETS! Is the sky falling? How can this happen!!!!!!!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/prominent-republicans-are-calling-mix
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 6:07 PM
LMAO at the Backmann photo…thought you’d like this….
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By: uawtradesman on August 13, 2011
at 5:26 PM
Is this Juneau hiding behind Helen’s skirt? Reads like his incredible lack of instinct and wit. But then I always did find Josephine effeminate, so I could have confused him with a croaking nag message. They all sound alike.
You got the badgering women on the blog right, as it is an incredible waste of time but really cheap entertainment. Half right, like the anatomical layout of your singular brain hemisphere – younger with a mop of hair and not a gray one in sight.
Poor lady. I’m overwhelmingly sure she deserves better.
FIrst astute observation you made since you got here. Much better…
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 5:20 PM
Whether she goes by M-pat, Mary, or something else… she’s still stuck with a 60+ fat, bald, wrinkled old man who thinks badgering women on a blog is a good use of time. Poor lady. I’m overwhelmingly sure she deserves better.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 4:45 PM
We’re still away from home, and I don’t have much time. PFessor, Sarah Palin is not the first to say Obama hangs with terrorists. She does it for dramatic effect.
However, her charge rests on facts. Bill Ayres and his wife are much more than someone Obama met at a meeting. They have known and worked with each other for years. Ayres is a good writer and is rumored to have helped Obama write his first book.
Obviously the Ayres are not now terrorists, but in the beginning Obama’s campaign minimized the connection to escape the “hanging with terrorists” charge.
The Tea Party people are more libertarian than anything else. The folks I know are not all born again Christians. To charge the movement is primairly concerned with theocracies is wrong.
I agree about Rick Perry.
Obama and Palin were the opposite stars of the last convention. They illustrate the power of imagination. Their creators turned them into super human creatures who would usher in a new realty. No one could live up to the hype.
Obama has fired his round, and he has nothing left .Reality is here. Palin still has a bullet in her chamber. Until it is gone, reporters and others will flock to her because they still don’t know what she is about. If she runs for office, it will be over for her. If she continues on her present path, she will prosper as a niche celebrity as her star slowly fades.
Right now, imagination is Palin’s friend as it once was Obama’s.
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By: James on August 13, 2011
at 4:14 PM
Well, fortunately for both of us garbled, your adoring bunk mates don’t have my wife’s name right either. But I discovered how they got it. Google. Some poor sap and his wife are probably being harassed as we speak by the shrews and the Poolman. I use the first name that comes to mind, in this case a neighborhood man from childhood, and they go searching. Sorry if I find that funny.
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Donna, you’re either not terribly honest or you are terribly forgetful.
Are you kidding? The first thing you did after I first posted here was going searching for “Tex Taylor.” Have you forgotten that too? Rutherford can vouch for that and we can rehash the first night I was here with a quick search. Then you announced “my history” to the board. You thought that was going to scare me off? Snicker…
I’m not here to persuade or dissuade you either way Ms. Garbled. You’re much too ingrained in liberal, secular politics to change. This isn’t that hard to figure out. You’re a smarter version of the ineffectual and garden variety useful idiot of the left wing of the Dimocratic party. There’s twenty million of you, including 95% of this board.
It should be more than obvious to anyone making an honest assessment, that progressive politics has been deemed once again an epic and miserable failure – just like I said it would when you won in 2008. Obama is even more incapable than Jimmy Carter and if the Republicans elect any capable candidate, and I admit that is a big if as I find their choices pretty weak, the vote should not be close. It should be a rout. The vote should be a direct referendum on the most pathetic and sorriest excuse for President in U.S. history. Obama is a disgrace and a joke – the ultimate affirmative action President.
The only way progressive politics wins is to oppress enough helpless people without their knowledge to buy a vote. It’s destructive by definition, amoral and self defeating. It’s European socialism lite by another name – and look what that got them. The nanny state, and eventually riots when they could no longer afford the freebies. It will happen here too, and when it does, we should utterly smash the mob.
Throw in O’Bama’s degenerate anarachists and communists for preachers, mentors, and friends, and the dismal results were predictable. And O’Bama is the best you’ve got. Hillary Rotten Clinton? The cattle futures cheat and Saul Alinsky apostle? There’s nothing edifying about progressive politics and once a generation, a new generation has to learn this the hard way: 1976, 1992 and 2008. Every 16 years or so.
But if you feel these ‘conversations’ you and I have are distasteful and too personal, you might try to set to memory it is always you that first makes them personal by name. You’re not important enough, nor do I find you interesting enough to me to make them directly about you. But I do enjoy being a jerk to a bully.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 4:07 PM
Actually, you don’t have my name (first or last). You have a deliberately garbled version of the name of an old grade school teacher. I sometimes use that on what really are the relatively rare times that I post on the internet.
And I don’t have yours, so I could hardly have called you by it. I did use what I understood from posts here is your wife’s name but I don’t have a clue if that’s correct or not. And I don’t have any intention of inflicting damage on you. I do wonder why you act like a jerk and I do wish that you’d stop it, but that’s as far as it goes.
You aren’t going to upset me. You can keep on trying but it isn’t going to work. As for me being a “party to bald faced lies,” I actually don’t agree with alof of what people say about politics and the economy. I do view the Democratic party as–marginally–better than the alternative.
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By: Donna on August 13, 2011
at 2:04 PM
Rick Perry – Another cowboy from Texas. We have not paid off the debt from the last cowboy from Texas!! Religious leaders run Iran – heck it works so well there, Rick Perry wants to have a Religious Government in the good old USA.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 2:00 PM
Well Donna Rosansky or whatever your name is, which I don’t care. Unlike you, I’m perfectly happy to keep this anonymous while you desperately google my ID to attempt to inflict as much damage as possible.
How in the world would you know if I do anything constructive? You need to contact “MariPat” when you’re hunting me down to confirm my useful nature. Poolman has been trying for months.
<blockquote?There can be weeks that I don’t stop by at all, much less post.
You mean after you and your sheep tucked tail and ran back to the protected bin when you got your collective butts handed to you, mixed with a little innuendo? Why, history shows you were quite the regular here before a few of us showed up.
Oh baloney. Please do demonstrate my lack of regard for accuracy. You went on and on right here on this very blog about how you’ve been nominated as one of America’s top 5% of ‘beautiful’ Best Lawyer attorneys. It was retching to read. After of course, you bragged you were going to make a “huge” donation in my name to the DNC. (snicker) with regard to your great riches. Please do it again before the next election. Undoubtedly, you’re the kiss of death.
I will be more than happy to locate your blather if you have forgotten your most humble nature? It wasn’t some simple “volunteer” as you attest. Peacock – without much of a spread.
Actually, I’m the bastard and bully rattling your monkey cage watching you fling spittle and feces over being called on your immense ego. It was you that called me by name on this very thread. And you’ve yet to hit your target. How’s it feel to receive some of your own treatment Ms. Attorney at Law? You were the loudest of the bullies before a few of us showed up and gave you a taste of your own medicine. Now you vacillate between whiny victim and playing Mother Theresa the D.J..
But you didn’t answer the only really important question ‘Ms. Rasansky’ that I’ve asked you here. If you’re that self-professed intellectual, that all knowing professional, why do you continue to be a party to bald faced lies which are easily dismissed?
Perhaps it is you that doesn’t understand the word superficial? If we were in an open forum, and off the moderated blog, you and your lesser Chatty Kitchen chums would be discredited in minutes concerning a discussion of facts of politic.
I give you credit. You’re “least bad” in the pathetic field.
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By: Hedda Lettuce on August 13, 2011
at 1:52 PM
Tex: I’ll respond once and then there’s really no interest in more. If you check–which you obviously have plenty of time on your hands to do–I am rarely here. There can be weeks that I don’t stop by at all, much less post. Unlike yourself, I’m not an internet regular.
Spouse happens to be on call this weekend and I happen to have a little time to kill. But it’s not a lot and I don’t need to waste it engaging with you.
As for what you call “continual boasting” with your customary lack of regard for accuracy, I believe I had indicated early on–in response to a post that touched on legal matters–that I’m an attorney. Other than that, the “boasting” is in your head. I may have responded to a specific inquiry about credentials, but I don’t need to and don’t choose to do more.
So, in fact, there is little free time and I don’t spend much of it on the internet. But even that little bit is squandered by engaging with you. You really are an unfortunate person. I may lose my patience at tmes with people who I perceive as obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious. But I don’t share the “sense of humor” of someone such as yourself who enjoys juvenile puns, insulting strangers on the internet, or saying outrageous things to try to upset others.
So what that you got into med school? So, you’re intelligent? It just emphasizes how big a waste your life seems to be–a person with a mind who is unwilling to do anything constructive.
You’re like the bonobos who throw feces from their cages–it says a whole lot about the bonobos and not a thing about the target.
Pfesser: I happen to be religious but am interested in what you are saying. And I agree with you about Palin.
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By: rasansky@hotmail.com on August 13, 2011
at 12:46 PM
“Corporations are People” both Romney and Sarah say it is true! Time to have the corporation sending jobs overseas to bend over and say ‘Ah” They might even try to pay taxes – kind of like the old days when we paid for wars as we fought them. (Pre-Bush years.)
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/5660/p/salsa/web/tellafriend/public/?tell_a_friend_KEY=8248
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 12:45 PM
pfesser53 I want to say that maybe your perception of the Tea Party is skewed. I have been, with some reluctance, to a few tea party events at behest of a friend, more for company for the ride than anything else. What has evolved in my opinion is that the people who were hard core involved have relaxed a little and are attending a lot less frequently while the more hard Christan element has lingered on. I have no doubt in my mind that as 2012 elections draw near, you will see the tea part of old reemerge. I hold out hope as I believe these people offer up the best chance at a 3rd party entering the political fray and breaking up this good ol boys club of Dems and Rebublicans.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 12:40 PM
Megyn Kelly is talking all socialist like… weird. Jon Stewart sorted it out for us though. Jon got to the bottom of it for us.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/megyn-kelly-suffering-post-partum-compassio
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 12:33 PM
S & P downgrade, social security, wall street and the truth… A great little bit of information
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 12:25 PM
HEY RUBES!
Here’s your messiah without benefit of his teleprompter. 😆 Next time your asthmatic child has an attack, make sure to get him or her a “breathalyzer” according to Dr. Obama.
The charlatan is a complete dumb ass off script. Deny this assholes. Case closed chumps.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 12:19 PM
First his minions said Obama was like Jesus as they preened during his campaign. That didn’t fly. Then on inaugural day, Obama was called the second coming of Honest Abe. But that didn’t work out either.
Then Obama tried to sell himself a Dimocratic Ronald Reagan and the people laughed at him.
So who is left to compare? That’s right. Now Obama is the resurrected Martin Luther King Jr.
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/08/13/obama-compares-martin-luther-king/
Obama is not only pathetic and a national disaster and disgrace. He’s obviously deluded. That makes his debased sycophants certifiable.
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By: Hedda Lettuce on August 13, 2011
at 12:06 PM
My apologies – Snowdrift Snooki is Sarah “Klondike Kardashian” Palin.
My wife had a very interesting observation on this stuff:
“You need to realize that the Tea Party people are working as hard as they can to frame this as a Democrat/Republican, Right/Left argument, but that is not the real fight, especially in *their* minds. It is all about religious/secular – about breaching America’s 250 year-old Wall Between Church and State. Which explains why you, who are in most ways the most Republican man I have ever met, detest the current Republican party.”
Right on. I want my father’s Republican party back.
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By: pfesser53 on August 13, 2011
at 11:27 AM
Pfesser, fist bump!
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By: No One's Puppet on August 13, 2011
at 11:17 AM
Ok this one went over my head, who is Snowdrift Snooki
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 11:00 AM
Idle curiosity, but I wonder why there are those who think it is OK for Snowdrift Snooki to equate “attending the same public meeting ” to “palling around with terrorists” while at the same time they are fawning over *another* presidential candidate who invites manifold lunatics to share the public stage with him – one of whom REALLY, in his heart-of-hearts thinks that the Japanese stock market went down because the emperor had sex with a sun goddess; that Oprah was the “harlot of Babylon;” that birds actually fell out of the sky in Arkansas because “Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell” came to the state and that Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans because of an impending gay pride parade? Just who is HE palling around with, hmmm??
And you want this man in possession of the nuclear codes that could sterilize the surface of the planet; is that right?
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Only in that wonderful, wubbulous world of organized superstition called religion could such nonsense be – not only tolerated, but vehemently defended – with a straight face.
I am fired up for a fight on this one. Bring it on.
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By: pfesser53 on August 13, 2011
at 10:54 AM
Michelle Bachman – great picture. She takes care of her man?
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/seriously-michele-bachmann-seriously.html
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 10:37 AM
Not frustrated – grateful, for providing me a purpose to get me out of her hair. Said she’ll call me when I need to help carry the frig to the truck.
She might even write poor Helen a thank you letter for providing loads of fun – throwing rocks at uneducated, lying schmucks heads without cost. The belly laughs alone reading the ignorance would be worth the price of admission.
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By: Keyboard Cowpie on August 13, 2011
at 10:31 AM
lmao Anon 10:14 and :07 is a blog bot.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 10:23 AM
Keyboard Cowpie is compensating for major shortcomings. His poor wife is so frustrated.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 10:23 AM
Another story about the GAY CLOSETED REPUBLICAN!! This little story of REPUBLICAN FAMILY VALUES is really taking off!!!!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/another-closeted-gay-republican-its-g
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 10:14 AM
ANOTHER story about the REPUBLICAN GAY FELLOW who wanted a ‘real good time’ with an 18 year old boy. Remember: He voted against Gays.
Tell me about Republican Family Values again please!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/todays-feel-good-story-of-day-features.html
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 10:07 AM
Princess Donna,
You want to know why I really come here? The real reason besides boredom and it annoys the hell out of a bully like you?
It’s comments like this:
This humors me. Really. The acts of desperation, mendacity, duplicity, and hypocrisy in action.
Now, do tell me Donna – for Maripat’s sake? Though I think you a bully and blowhard, you’re obviously a step up from the sense portrayed and demonstrated i.e. above.
The stimulus worked – Bush shipped all his jobs overseas (we were at full employment for the better part of three years dummies) – Sarah Palin and the New World Order – Obama has been a raving success….yada yada yada.
You give me one good reason why I shouldn’t call these parasites on their rank propaganda and lying? Give me a legitimate reason. I can blow every one of these pieces of lying fluff out of the water without referencing a link.
Is that really the way you think debate should be framed? With one bald-faced lie after another, parroted with a bunch of underground talking points from goosestepping jackboots? I would think an educated woman like you might be interested in the truth.
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By: Hedda Lettuce on August 13, 2011
at 10:03 AM
It is a shame that it is so hard to find honest reporting anywhere. The vast majority are so Liberal bias that you cannot trust most of what you read. Those that are not Liberal bias seem to be trying to counter balance so much they have the same effect. Where are the news organizations like the old Daily Planet of the 60’s Superman tv show, where newspapers believed they were there to just “report the news”, not to give opinion on it? Just more proof we are being duped as a nation to pay attention to the dangling left hand holding the shiny object while the right hand screws us over.
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 9:47 AM
Princess Jezebel Banana Nose,
Mari Pat is thrilled that I’m here. Have you contacted her yet? 🙂 🙂 🙂 I think I can get her cell phone number. A couple of extras happys for you.
The new name was specifically for you Princess. Being your continual boasting is like watching chrome sucked off a trailer hitch, it just seemed fitting to address you, and you didn’t even have the courtesy to answer.
I’m sure Dr. Hook would be more than happy to volunteer if you asked, that the hardest part of medical school is getting into medical school. I accomplished what I needed to convince myself not for me. Besides, I’ll mooch off oldest daughter when the prescription drugs are necessary.
But this high powered work you and Prince Charming do? This marriage made in Gehanna? You too seem to have an inordinate amount of time to buzz around blogs yourself Jezebel. Chatty’s, Helen’s, PMS, BitchisUs dot com.
How is it that you have all this free time on your hands if you’re such the high powered couple with money to burn?
Here’s what I think – you’re another hag in waiting, while your former arranged marriage Dr. Prince is banging the pretty nurses.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 9:44 AM
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/08/it-looks-stimulus-worked-after-all
The stimulus actually worked….
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 9:42 AM
Donna, how is the air up there on your high horse as you send judgement down on everyone? Just wondering.
As for calling me Noah or making personal commentary on another poster’s wife, go for it, whatever turns you on princess. I often wonder what people like you get from passing down judgement and insulting people on an internet blog. Signs deficient home life in my opinion, but what do I know. It’s nice to know Donna that someone of your supposed professional status gets into the mud with us ordinary mortals.
As for SP, waste your net ink on someone who hasn’t been relevant in a good long while. Because I am sure she is at the top of our countries problems, no? What I find deliciously ironic is if it was for these jealous old hags carrying the SP torch, she would have passed into obscurity a long time ago.
Anon 8:36, what does driving traffic to websites pay these days?
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 9:35 AM
GW Bush created jobs! OVERSEAS!!!!!
How many jobs were shipped overseas during the GW Bush Presidency?
Click to access bushrecord_jobsoverseas.pdf
Since George W. Bush took office in January 2001,
America’s workers have lost 2.7 million manufac-
turing jobs and nearly 900,000 professional service
and information sector jobs. A significant number
of these lost jobs have gone overseas,
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 8:50 AM
Oh–and Tex: the new nom de blog? Very mature of you. Right along the lines of Hedda Lettuce in terms of wit. Maripat must be so proud.
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By: Donna on August 13, 2011
at 8:42 AM
That Gay Republican legislator who voted against Gays, the story seems to be taking off. Lots of people are talking about it. REPUBLICAN FAMILY VALUES – vote one way and do the opposite.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/anti-gay_marriage_state_rep_accused_of_offering_young_male_money_for_sex.php?ref=fpblg
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 8:36 AM
Poor Maripat: Married to someone who can’t manage even a few minutes while she gets dressed without trying to build himself up by juvenile insults to strangers. And who can’t even manage that without resorting to emoticons.
Actually, I’m rarely here because I do work. And have interests.
Prince is just fine. After all, he made it through med school. And both of us recognize the ebb and flow of politics and public opinion. Too bad you don’t–but you are a completely superficial thinker.
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By: Donna on August 13, 2011
at 8:36 AM
Jon Stewart on IOWA candidates!!!!! Interesting ending. Will Sarah run?
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/i-know-i-promised-this-yesterday-but-i.html
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 8:28 AM
Sinking popularity: Check out the low numbers on Republican Congressmen. Dems are bad too, but Republicans are lower and lower and lower. Sarah needs to go on Dancing with the stars so she can impress the world with her brilliance.
Will the Teaparty back Perry? Probably not/ Interesting stuff
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/11/rick-perry-hawk-internationalist/
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By: Anonymous on August 13, 2011
at 8:16 AM
Maybe. But Sarah isn’t our messiah. The One. Honest Obe. Yes We Can! 😉
It must suck to be you about this minute. Your politics and/or your religion lay wasted in epic failure.
How about another massive stimulus!!! 🙄 Send in the clown Paul Krugman!
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 7:47 AM
Here Princess, I need to ransack the “myth” of Anonymous Juneau up there about Obama “creating more jobs than Bush.” He’s at least a year late being busted. You know you’re ignorant when you’re parroting lies busted more than a year ago.
I know libs are horrid at basic skill like simple math, but what is it you loons from Left don’t understand about employment rate?
And Donna – for someone of your “incredible” intellect, you sure are keeping company with the worst liars on earth. I’m beginning to suspect you’re in the right place.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 7:44 AM
Happy, happy birthday to your husband, Mageen! And congratulations to you both.
Obama’s popularity is sinking right now but not as fast or as far as Sarah. Apparently fat, old, ugly women don’t like her – and neither do thin ones, pretty ones, handsome men, smart people, rich people, poor people, and just about everyone EXCEPT the people who think she’s pretty.
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By: delurkergurl on August 13, 2011
at 7:41 AM
OH Princess, you’re breaking my heart. My wife is getting pretty while I mock some Medusa looking, banana nosed blowhard like you. Creates an appetite before we go to breakfast…
For someone critical of jumping and disrupting blogs, I’ve noticed you peruse around a bunch. I thought you had the Dear Abby marriage made in heaven with Prince Charming? Where’s Prince? 😀
Apparently, you do. You never miss a lame retort to my reply. If I’m boring, skip over sweetie. How much you going to donate this year, you being a rich, high powered, major player?
Of all the bohunks on this board, you’re the one most obviously full of crap.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 7:34 AM
Tex: I’m sorry that your wife chooses to stay away from you as much as she can manage. It’s understandable but I know it leaves you with nothing to do and an extreme level of boredom. But there is a direct correlation between the level to which you are bored and the extent to which you are boring. Nobody gives a crap what you think or say.
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By: Donna on August 13, 2011
at 7:25 AM
And just the person dumb enough to buy the horseshit hook, line and sinker Princess.
Your boy Obama is sinking like a stone. Time to make a ginormous donation to the DNC Princess – it served you so well last time.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 7:22 AM
Donna, OMG, vacuuming the keyboard actually worked! As for all those “guys” who credit only the out of shape older women with disliking SP so much, what would they do if they realized that a way younger crowd has no use for her? Reason: they think she’s at least 100 years old. And yes, foxes do vote. Foxes of all political persuasions. As for all those attributes blue haired women are allegedly blessed with, a good many of these developments hit guys of the same age and even younger. Moral: it ain’t so much the looks, fellas. And yes, that Dominionist angle which has been around for way tooooo long certainly does bother me. Its the same kind of thinking the royalists of Louis XVI’s time only it went like this: the creme de la creme (them) were the only ones allowed at the banqueting table of all the good things in life cuz they were born to it and thats the way God wanted it. The rest of the unwashed could simply stay sufficiently away from the end of the table and watch as they starved while God’s elect enjoyed themselves.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 13, 2011
at 7:19 AM
LOL! If it were that easy, an old, hideous nag like you would be waiting at the department store door at 4:00 AM to purchase Spanx, padded bra, makeup and wigs.
Face it Grandma – your days are over, and they weren’t too bright to begin with.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 13, 2011
at 7:19 AM
oh–Irish Noah: Perhaps it is time for you to have a wee bit o’ fun.
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By: Donna on August 13, 2011
at 6:58 AM
Is there anyone here who doesn’t recognize the return of the odious “Noah” under the name “Anonymous?”
Let’s see: dogged insistence that he is right and everyone else is wrong, frantic attempts at attention by posting offensive statements, the derogatory use of terms like “cupcake” and “twinkle toes” (substitutes for the former “kiddo”). Almost certainly, we will next get the wildly inflated fantasy life–perhaps now not the successful business owner, devoted husband, new father, jack of all trades–but something equally implausible from someone who can’t spell or punctuate.
And, of course, Tex/Wayne/Southern Living has also returned. It takes a particularly limited person to spend all day, every day trying to disrupt blogs. It takes a particularly juvenile sense of humor to think it’s entertaining to try to disrupt and upset people. Two peas in the same pathetic pod.
For those who’d like an actual discussion of Palin, apart from her not particularly remarkable appearance, I find the whole Dominionist tie frightening. And I find the fact that some appreciable segment of the population still finds something of interest or value in her clearly false persona to be equally frightening. Anyone care to opine about the appeal? I’d be interested in your thoughts. I have no interest in two buffoons repeating their tiresome and wholly false claims that disagreement with or disapproval of her must be rooted in the critic’s looks.
Pfesser: scary–I find myself nodding to your posts more and more.
As for my musical pick of the morning–Allmans doing Jessica.
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By: Donna on August 13, 2011
at 6:56 AM
alaskapi, the “secesh” I was referring to was the guy with the bleep eating smile from texas. pardon the offensive language. bit cranky today cuz my keyboard has a problem. caps refuse to work. considering using vacuum cleaner attachments on it. otherwise there is a chance this will turn into a truly great day. we are supposed to get rain. need five plus inches of the stuff just to get up to where we should have been as of memorial day. no matter the weather plan to take husband to lunch to celebrate another birthday and the end of chemo. thanks for all the positive cosmic energy from the well wishers on this site. you all deserve not just a piece of pie but an entire pie of your favorite flavor. god bless.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 13, 2011
at 6:38 AM
SP is now dead meat as far as having influence. Take a look at the Sea of Pee site; even her closest followers are beginning to wonder if their money is being used to fund a coast-to-coast vacation on an expensive bus that THEY bought with the grocery money.
And of course, the answer is yes.
Now Sarah has her money, doesn’t have to work or put up with Todd’s chronically stiff and undiscriminating tallywhacker (He’s still living in Alaska) or cold weather, so she won’t bother anybody much. Now it’s time to turn the sights on the Dominionist from Texas.
Although I have defended the TP in the past, as I watch them now, it is apparent that they have almost entirely been co-opted for use by the Religious Right. A friend went to a rally a while back; he reported that there was nobody in sight but the fetus people, the racists and the put-God-into-our-government Dominionists.
Unfortunately for them the Internet is a very easy way to expose their shenanigans to bright sunlight – and it takes practically NO money to do so – only tens of thousands of people just like me who have the time and the inclination. My French is a little rusty, but as we used to say, “”Laissez les bons temps rouler, (Monsieur Perry).”” We who believe in the separation of church and state are ready to play.
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By: pfesser53 on August 13, 2011
at 4:47 AM
Abortion: The Mitt Romney Flip Flop. He was before it before he went against it. He knew the realities of back street abortions in the olden days.
http://crooksandliars.com/tina-dupuy/tyt-now-abortion-mitt-romney-no-longer-
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 11:46 PM
Put on the glasses cupcake. I said all you bitter old hags on the rag are threatened by her good looks. She has it going on, you all got grabbed by the ankles and smacked face first into the ugly tree. That being said would explain why you all have continued to harp on her for so long, even though she hasn’t held public office in how long? Obsess much? This has nothing to do with politics, its a cat fight pure and simple.
Juanojoe, aka anon, we get it already, stories on gays is a hot topic for you. I suggest maybe you take your special points of interests elsewhere. Post after post seems like you are trolling for a date twinkle toes.
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 11:13 PM
Not one woman here said, Sarah Palin is ugly, not physically ugly anyway, so can it. The woman is stupid and her need for attention is pathetic. Stay tuned, because she’ll create some kind of ruckus in Iowa this weekend. Aside from feeling truly sorry for her children’s embarrassment, I plan to enjoy whatever she has planned immensely, tis the silly season after all.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 12, 2011
at 10:18 PM
Where is all the money going?
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/08/worlds-money-is-draining-away-wheres-it.html
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By: poolman on August 12, 2011
at 10:15 PM
So we have a 64 year old ANTI GAY REPUBLICAN legislator who told a 18 year old boy he would give him 160.00 for a real good time. The boy was bribed with an iPad, blackberry (with text messages to prove it) and some money to keep the boy quiet after the boy wanted nothing to do with it.
The REPUBLICAN ANTI GAY LEGISLATOR is not denying it. His lawyer says his family needs some privacy. Guilty?. I think this one is actually true. Another Republican gay Fellow who is afraid to get out of the closet. He does vote against gays so he has family values!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/12/anti-gay-indiana-state-rep-solicited-18-year-old-boy-on-craigslist/
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 10:10 PM
Who has the wealth… Just how inequitable is it when comparing the haves and have nots? Bad and getting worse actually. Look at the projected numbers for 2020
http://www.alternet.org/story/151999/meet_the_global_financial_elites_controlling_%2446_trillion_in_wealth?page=entire
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 9:45 PM
agree to disagree Poolman. As for JuanaJow..i like Sir Linksalot best. I bet even money he makes his living driving web traffic.
As far as the Palins go. Its just a bunch of women on the rag having a cat fight. She looks good, they don’t, so the go on this endless, pointless offensive commentary about every petty little thing. Its tiresome, but whatever entertains your pretty little minds I suppose.
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 8:59 PM
Anonymous @ 6:56 PM,
FB can be as credible as any source. Social media has proven influential in educating and informing as well as denigrating and maligning the people and events it logs. The MSM is not doing any real truth digging these days. Their news is censored, most often with a scripted slant.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80428106/
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By: poolman on August 12, 2011
at 8:18 PM
I also love the idea that anyone is envious of the Palins. Let’s see…a woman who, with Spanx, padded bras, and lots of makeup and wigs, can look alright but who, without all the phoniness is a scrawny, flat chested, cottage cheese-thighed, thin haired, screechy nothing. Her uneducated, inarticulate, vapid looking husband. Children who are not particularly bright, accomplished, or attractive and whose highest aspiration seems to be “reality” T.V. Yeah–people are just pea green with envy.
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By: Evelyn on August 12, 2011
at 8:05 PM
Job creation: Bush vs Obama
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/01/07/137866/obama-more-jobs-bush/
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 8:02 PM
Anon: Here is a post which is just for you!
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/like-herpes-infection-that-is-never.html
You may call me anything you wish. May I suggest Sir Anon.
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 7:42 PM
What is amazing is that in so many cases where Republicans are trolling for boys/men and get caught – it turns out to be true.
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 7:36 PM
Juanajoe, aka Anon, facebook is not known as a credible news source, fyi.
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 6:56 PM
Another Republican gets caught trying to set up a meeting with another fellow. Republican Family values?
https://www.facebook.com/notes/republican-bigotry-hate-fear-lies-and-distortion/since-nobody-wants-to-report-this-story-on-tv-about-phillip-hinkles-r-indiana-ga/268766749805269
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 6:21 PM
Average Teen Unemployment Rate in D.C. is 50.1%, Analysis Shows
I pity the young people.
Venture Capitalists Back Away from Clean Energy
I pity the investors.
11th Circuit Rules Individual Mandate in ObamaCare Unconstitutional
I celebrate with the American people.
According to Gallup, “Americans’ economic confidence plunged to -53 in the week ending Aug. 7, a level not seen since the recession days of March 2009.”
I guess Obama is not very good as President of the United States.
I love your blog delurkergirl!
Gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip pssst….gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 12, 2011
at 5:59 PM
I pity you, Tex.
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By: delurkergurl on August 12, 2011
at 5:39 PM
Did you old women know that consumer confidence is the lowest it has been Jimmy Carter was president? That was a very bad time.
I guess Obama is not very good as President of the United States.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 12, 2011
at 5:19 PM
No One’s Puppet.
I has been argued, that a visible police presence prevents a lot of mischief, I favor that opinion, therefore I think many of our communities are being shortsighted when they decrease their police force.
I don’t understand your writing.
I has been argued, that a visible gut sponge presence prevents a lot of erections. I favor that opinion, therefore I think many of our penises are being shortsighted when you increase the cottage cheese belly.
I has argued you don’t understand commas either No One’s Puppet.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 12, 2011
at 5:01 PM
Not that we didn’t already know, but now its official. Appeals Court Rules Portion of Obama Health Care Bill Unconstitutional
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals-court-rules-obama-health-care-bill-unconstitutional/story?id=14292970
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 5:01 PM
I have had the exact same thoughts Haywood. It has to be a jealousy thing, has to be. I think it would be good for Palin to get elected. After all Obama got in because of his look, Palin should get in because she is hot.
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 4:34 PM
Don’t be so hard on yourself Haywood.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 12, 2011
at 4:19 PM
The women here are envious of the Palins…good looking husband, rock hard, 40 something head turner, supple breasts, great swing and legs, athletic, pretty smile.
Wrinkles, liver spots, blue thinning hair, saggy boobs, cream cheese gut, pudgy sponged fat butt cheeks, varicose veins, rotten toe nails, yellow beaver teeth or dentures. No hope of ever finding a man of worth, always smelling of moth balls.
No beauty here. You can see the contrast.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 12, 2011
at 3:40 PM
Ha Ha people!
We have had computer trouble, but I think I fixed it.
Sarah Palin reminds me of my wife without my wife’s rough edges. You think Sarah is outspoken and can handle herself in the wild? Let me tell you… I would wear the same ear plugs which have helped me survive with my wife since our teen years.
If I could, I would tell Sarah about the flood, but it wouldn’t do much good except make me feel better.
I do think she has “it” like my wife and a girl in my high school class. Dee Dee was fashion model cute and all of we boys had crushes on her. Five years ago, I waited in the car for my wife, and a little old lady leaned into the car window and said “hi Jim!” We talked for about twenty minutes and I never had a clue about who she was.
My wife came out and said she had seen Mrs. V, who was Dee Dee’s mother.I felt really silly, as I made the connection. Time does a number on us all, even Sarah Palin.
NOP, I lived in England for two years and have kept in touch. I think your observation is correct. Many of the riot victims made the same complaint, and so did some in Parliament.
Another odd thing was that vigilantism to protect property is discouraged. Some neighbors did defend themselves though police criticized them. East Indians and Patistanis were especially organized to protect themselves. A group of Sikes protected their temple with cricket bats. Baseball bats are popular sellers.
I never liked the British survelance cameras, but they captured many rioters on tape, and authorities are arresting them. Some are not poor blacks or whites. A few are children of rich people.
Ragi, as poorly as some of our under class is treated, they are integrated into our society to a greater degree than foreigners are in much of Europe. I believe that is part of the problem over there. They feel little loyalty to their home countries.
Political correctness has led governments to ignore the problem. The British plan to ask the United States for suggestions on how to surpress gang warfare.
I had a minor fright. My wife just said she was leaning toward Michele Bachman (NOOOOO NOOOO!!) until she heard Michele say women should submit to their husbands. I felt as though we had dodged a bullet. I need to pay more attention to her sometimes.
We are about ready to leave for a few days.
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By: James on August 12, 2011
at 2:24 PM
Mageen- whatzername is not a secessionist though her husband had ties with our homegrown secessionist movement, AIP, and she had no problem addressing them publically as a speaker.
She is a rather peculiar blend of states rights/anti- fed hype with more than a dash of dominionism thrown in along with a teaspoon of “commonsense” nonsense to flavor it all. Personally, I’d almost rather have nasty old Joe Vogler’s ghost in the WH. At least his stance was clear, wrong but clear.
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By: alaskapi on August 12, 2011
at 11:39 AM
o fer hevvins sake! No sececionist should ever get the white house! in order to be secretary of state you definitely need to be made of something other than plastic. grew up in michigan where mitt’s daddy was governor. got to see and hear that family a lot. remember when his daddy yanked american motors co. out of mich. and sent it to wisconsin claiming the economy was better there. lots and lots and lots of unemployed autoworkers in mich. as a result and the workforce in wisc. was smaller. this moved failed big time. mitt is just like his daddy when it comes to job creation. as for karibou kardashian as vice president cuz she is pretty, get your glasses cleaned. compare present photos to the ones taken when the old sailor picked her as his running mate. she is becoming that watchword no beauty queen wants to hear — “handsome” middle age woman. and the family she would bring with her is still another piece of work! if you thought lbj and his brother were bad plus clinton and his brother, those pallin’s just don’t quit with the soap opera stuff. with so many gee oh pee-ers in this mix this should turn into one bleep of a shark feeding frenzy.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 12, 2011
at 11:12 AM
Bachman is a joke according to Joe S. I agree.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/scarborough-michele-bachmann-joke
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 11:00 AM
I spent a week in London this Spring, and while that hardly makes me an expert on London, but I do have one observation. I was aware of police presence, only once while I was there, when a police vehicle in traffic right next to where I was on the pavement suddenly blew its siren and turned on their lights. And I arrived there the day after they had a protest. Not saying, they were not out patrolling, but I sure didn’t see them. Naturally I am not talking about their national treasures, castles, etc.
Paris had a totally different approach, armed militia, at least three, were at every subway stop and national monument. Very prominent. I has been argued, that a visible police presence prevents a lot of mischief, I favor that opinion, therefore I think many of our communities are being shortsighted when they decrease their police force.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 12, 2011
at 9:22 AM
James, we all know, you want a visit from S P because she is cute, but don’t forget to wear some earplugs, she has a voice like fingernails on a chalkboard. While you have the press in Iowa, try to interest them in your flooded fields, but well you know, good luck on that.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 12, 2011
at 8:50 AM
Sarah Palin for President, Perry for VP and Romney for Secretary of State……Not fhe combination I’d vote for in the primaries….Against Obama,Biden,and Hillery……let me toss a coin…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 12, 2011
at 8:48 AM
Raji – LOL! 😀
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By: delurkergurl on August 12, 2011
at 8:47 AM
With any luck we will get Sarah Palin for President, Perry for VP and Romney for Secretary of State.
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 8:00 AM
Interesting segment on NPR regarding Michele Bachman. Oral Roberts U teaches biblical law which is where Bachman studied law. She was an assistant researcher for a professor at ORU that teaches the concept that if American law is in conflict with biblical law, then the law must be changed to be in accordance with biblical law.
If people like Bachman and Perry get elected to the office of POTUS then yes, Mageen we will be moving toward a religion based society.
If you have been following the riots in England by mainly youth, has it crossed your mind to wonder why similar riots are not occurring in this country. Maybe our youth are just too obese and lazy to care. It’s all a plot by the food corporations who promote the HFCS theory which leads to fermentation of the brain cells 😉
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By: Raji on August 12, 2011
at 7:59 AM
James, James, James… sigh.
SP didn’t /doesn’t kill wolves herself. She supported a controversial predator control method as well as painted fish and game problems incorrectly here… over and over.
I have friends in Bristol Bay who cannot get the ear of the state as regards predator control v big game hunting (brown bear )v food hunting partly because of the kind of flap SP was part of as gov. It’s very complicated here and she made it more so. Bleah.
Along with Mr Johnston’s personal remarks about her you can add Mr Kantner’s. He speaks for a lot more of us- then and now.
http://juneauempire.com/stories/102608/opi_348517751.shtml
http://www.sethkantner.com/about.php
how’s about you get a crayfish to pinch her instead?
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By: alaskapi on August 12, 2011
at 7:39 AM
James – look at this one:
That may not be her; I’m not sure. May be Photoshopped, but whoever it is ALSO has her finger on the trigger. Whoever that is, is no hunter. Sign of a complete tyro.
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By: PFesser on August 12, 2011
at 7:21 AM
James –
Palin’s near-son in-law, who is a real, unquestioned proficient hunter, says she doesn’t know which end of the tube the round comes out of – that it’s all hype. I tend to believe him. Take a look at this:
Nobody handles a rifle with their finger on the trigger unless they are complete newbies. Certainly not an experienced hunter. Sounds like a trivial point, but ask anybody who shoots what this picture means. They will tell you, “She doesn’t know what she is doing – nobody does that.”
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By: PFesser on August 12, 2011
at 7:19 AM
“…you think she is going there to look at the flood?”:
I wouldn’t vote for her, but I’d take Sarah Palin for a boat ride on our farm. She’s good at shooting wolves. Lets see how proficient she is at grabbing craw fish from the water.
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By: James on August 12, 2011
at 7:10 AM
because Tenisha B. the only opinion you should have is the one I give you.
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By: Anonymous on August 12, 2011
at 3:53 AM
pfesser, for more fun, and some “cornporn” catch tonight’s Colbert Report.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 11, 2011
at 9:50 PM
🙂
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By: R.J. on August 11, 2011
at 9:09 PM
Why you people always harping on the black people? You should let black people comment on this blog to.
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By: Tenisha B. on August 11, 2011
at 9:08 PM
Who knew the pfesser was a horn dog??
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By: Linda on August 11, 2011
at 9:05 PM
She “is” not “it” truthing on him.
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By: pfesser53 on August 11, 2011
at 8:58 PM
Donna said:
“good afternoon, all. Rick Perry is in.”
Let the games begin. I have done the research and I know all I need to know. I will be on his ass like a duck on a June Bug.
Rachel Maddow is already on his ass. You see, she it *truthing* on him. You can defend yourself when somebody lies on you, but when they truth on you, you are in deep kimchi. Long, but definitely worth it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/44098787#44098787
I especially like the part how the Japanese emperor has sex with the sun goddess and drives the Japanese economy into the toilet. Think about that a minute. This guy wants the nuclear codes to end the world and he believes this stuff.
BTW, I saw the sun goddess today. Her name is Mercede Johnston and she is in the new Playboy, revealing more unflattering material about Snowdrift Snooki. It looks like Klondike Kardashian has another arrow in her ample backside.
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By: pfesser53 on August 11, 2011
at 8:55 PM
Oh lighten up, Sarah and her bus are going to Iowa, you think she is going there to look at the flood?
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By: No One's Puppet on August 11, 2011
at 8:23 PM
Well while the old bitties go after SP, I found this to be very interesting.
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/08/new-drug-could-1.php
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 8:00 PM
That would get the attention of any red blooded male. I’ve found it’s ugly white women that are the Sarah Palin’s biggest critics. I think a large part is petty females that are intensely jealous of a much prettier female.
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 11, 2011
at 7:46 PM
Thanks for proving my point : No One’s Puppet. Take any average Liberal, and watch them have a psychotic episode when SP is mentioned.
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 7:38 PM
Between the Iowa Straw Poll and Rick Perry’s formal announcement, what do you think Sarah Palin will do for attention? I think she will do somersaults in a dress that day. That should divert all the media attention from the candidates.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 11, 2011
at 7:23 PM
Has Mitt yet given any hint as to which corporation will be his running mate?
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 5:16 PM
Sounds like there is serious concern about vote tampering in the Wisc Darling and Olson races.
This is just beginning.
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 4:57 PM
Elections for Republicans simply means they are doing the bidding of large Corporations.
Contrary to Democrats doing the bidding of living off the dole and those large corporations?
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By: Haywood Jablome on August 11, 2011
at 4:13 PM
good afternoon, all. Rick Perry is in.
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By: Donna on August 11, 2011
at 3:57 PM
Mitt Romney – THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE! Finally, a Republican is being honest. Elections for Republicans simply means they are doing the bidding of large Corporations. It is finally out there. The words meet the actions-finally.
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/mitt-romney-corporations-are-people
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 3:41 PM
First and foremost I am an Independent. However, until we can get a real viable 3rd party in line I am stuck with bad and worse. This Anon from 11:15am who just has to be Juanajoe or however it is spelled, and Mageen and many more are either total nut cases or just feeding into dishonest politics to further their own ends.
While I take a great many issues with both sides, as far as those on this blog go, the Liberals have it hands down in rhetoric, dishonest, and twisted use of a story or facts. They don’t search for the truth, whatever that might be. They search for proof of “their truth” and use whatever is out there to further their personal cause. While I have a great many issues with Republicans, at least they are consistent in their beliefs. For me anyway, they hold the fewest surprises, while Liberals amaze me regularly with what they they will say and do to stay in power and further their own cause.
From my point of view, Liberals are Democrats first, and Americans second. Republicans by enlarge are capitalists first, Americans second. Many Independents like myself are Americans first, with Liberal or Conservative tendencies. I think Independents want to see a quality of life increase for everyone, not just those who think as we do, and support the candidates who will push that agenda. However, where we differ from Republicans to some extent, and Democrats to a major extent, in that we will go after anyone who falls off the path, and not think twice to recall them if they stray from their primary objective, to serve the people.
My advice to both R & D. Republicans, consider that wealth and profit is not the entirety of the American Dream. Sometimes sacrificing the bottom line for a greater good is in the nations and even in your own best interest. Liberals, step up and admit when you are wrong. Argue honestly, and understand the end result should not necessarily be for your side to win at any cost. You do nothing but discredit yourself with the same tired rhetoric trying to paint all Republicans as money grubbing religious zealots. Anyone half paying attention can tell when someone is in search of what is best for everyone, and what is best for them.
This dishonest banter back and forth only slows the solution part of the process to a debilitating crawl. Do not kid yourself, we are in the 11th hour. Out tab has come due and we cannot kick this debt can down the road anymore without dire consequences. A lot of bad things are coming down the pike and much damage has already been done and is in need of repaired. I think a tax overhaul needs to be on the table for a better representation of who pays what and how much without all these ways to cheat the system. Reductions in benefits have to be part of the conversation. We also have to consider that, as I understand it, for Medicaid and Social Security to stay as they are now, we would have to jump from a 15% average tax rate to 44%. I don’t think anyone would be for this, so we have to consider all our options.
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 3:04 PM
Anonymous, I sure hope we are not moving towards a religion based society. It would, among other things, mean a state supported church with salaried clergy. If anyone wants to see an example of that, check out Greece. One look and you will run as fast as you can towards separation of church and state. Forever!
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 11, 2011
at 12:53 PM
No, 2011 isn’t 2008. This is mainly a problem of world-wide debt. It will take us a long time to dig ourselves out.
More jobs are being created, but not fast enough. We are like Danica Patrick when she led the Indianapolis 500. Two cars behind her were moving faster than she. Though she led, she was falling behind.
NASA warns a huge solar storm may strike the earth in the next few years. It may be like the Carrington event around 1859 when telegraph lines fried and fires started. Massive power blackouts may result, and people will be reduced to reading road maps again. Clerks will have to learn to count change.
If they are right, 2011 and 2008 will be the good old days.
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 12:12 PM
That is weird PFessor. I like that song, and now its running through my head.
So is another “enjoy yourself. Its later than you think.”
uawtradesman, I think like you that societies are giving their youth an exaggerated sense of entitlement. In time, they turn feral and decide to take what is theirs.
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 11:59 AM
Why 2011 isn’t 2008
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By: delurkergurl on August 11, 2011
at 11:54 AM
James – you must be reading my mind. Had a disturbing dream last night about a childhood friend and then driving in to work today I heard Dream On by Aerosmith. Weird. Just scroll by the lyrics if you find them boring, everyone:
Every time I look in the mirror
All these lines on my face getting clearer
The past is gone
It goes by, like dusk to dawn
Isn’t that the way
Everybody’s got their dues in life to pay
Yeah, I know nobody knows
where it comes and where it goes
I know it’s everybody’s sin
You got to lose to know how to win
Half my life
is in books’ written pages
Lived and learned from fools and
from sages
You know it’s true
All the things come back to you
Sing with me, sing for the year
Sing for the laughter, sing for the tears
Sing with me, if it’s just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good lord will take you away
reprise…
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By: PFesser on August 11, 2011
at 11:38 AM
I was thinking of Craig, Valery, Mageen, her husband, and the rest us when I heard this song just now.
” Some are like water some are like the heat
some are the melody and some are the beat
Sooner or later they will all be gone
Why don’t they stay young?
Its so hard to get old without a cause
I don’t want to perish like a fading wallz
Youth’s like a diamond in the sun
And diamonds are forever
So many adventures couldn’t happen today
So many songs we forgot to play
So many dreams waiting out of the blue
.
Let us die young or let us live forever
We don’t have the power but we never say never
Sitting in the sand pit life is a short trip
The music’s for the sad men
Can you imagine when the race is won
As we turn our faces into the sun
Praising our leaders, we’re getting in tune
The music’s played by the mad men
Forever young
I want to be forever young
Do you really want to live forever?
Forever, forever young.”
Laura Branigan lived a successful life after years of hard work. It turned tragic after her husband got sick. She sang this song on the Tonight Show, and I think the stress was showing. Johnny Carson mentioned her emotions.
Her husband died. Laura mourned for years and stopped performing. After she began to sing again, she died at 47. Laura will be forever middle aged..
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 11:29 AM
Is the US moving towards a Religous based government? Rick Perry (R), Sarah Palin (R) and Michelle Bachman (R) sure sound like they want religion to be at the forefront of decision making for government. It reminds me of Iran and how religion plays such an important part of their political decisions.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/rachel-maddow-reveals-truth-behind-new.html
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 11:15 AM
since you got me going….I posted about the riots in the UK and the parallels to here…. “Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters”….I haven’t heard much back…..to all the teachers out there….The most important thing you must do everyday is return to your families at night….if it takes a gun or a baseball bat to do that then so be it……
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By: uawtradesman on August 11, 2011
at 10:48 AM
alsakapi, I agree. It does start at home. Our ancestors risked their lives and fortunes for a new concept of government. They had plenty of foreign help, but in the end, they gave us an invaluable legacy.We are frittering it all away.
NOP, I don’t know what Obama is. He certainly is not the man progressives thought he was. He is not an Eisenhower moderate. I think he is a hollow man shaped by father who abandoned him and an emotionally distant mother who was rarely around when he needed her.
I read as a child he learned to become what people wanted him to be to fit in. From the beginning, Obama has been reluctant to stand and lead. His seminal achievement, the health insurance law is not his. He delegated the writing to others more liberal than he. He appointed officials who are far to the left, and they are making regulations which he may or may not agree with, though they are made in his name.
A number of liberals and independents are beginning to think Obama is a mistake. Clinton and even Carter were able to change course when they realized they had no other choice.
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 10:33 AM
Lynnda…..
I didn’t know that I would be required to toe the party line….
If so must I also……call SP everything but white……dis every conservative(even returning servicemen)…..prostate myself in front the the lord(Keith Oberman)……or whatever…..
I thought I was just the grumpy old uncle that Alaskapi wants to cheek pinch…….I kick the tires and point out that the left does the same things that they say the right does….almost 40 years in a factory might not give me a large vocabulary but it can be colorful……
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By: uawtradesman on August 11, 2011
at 10:32 AM
Blocks and holds….
Harry Reid is the one that tabled(shitcanned) the house budget bill….When did he switch….
The way the war is going would McCain have been the better liberal???????
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By: uawtradesman on August 11, 2011
at 10:07 AM
Lynnda…
I just call’em like I see’em….(course I’m now using reading glasses)
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By: uawtradesman on August 11, 2011
at 9:59 AM
President Obama should call Congress back in to session to deal with blocked nominees! The blocks and holds done by the Republicans is ridiculous. Put them back in session!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ari-melber-call-senate-back-session-a
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 9:43 AM
UAW, interesting comment you made about comparing conservatives and liberal/progressives; if you see President Obama acting like a liberal or presenting progressive legislation let me know. Obama is a moderate, everything he has proposed is comparable to Eisenhower.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 11, 2011
at 9:38 AM
uawtradesman: If you have so little regard or respect for this website why are you even on it? Obviousley your comments have little in common with the majority of the people here and it seems you would be a better fit on a conservative site where your comments would be appreciated.
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By: Lynnda on August 11, 2011
at 8:53 AM
nor did it reflect anything about party POLitics 🙂
freudian slip there I guess,
awfully tired of party pills on both sides…
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 8:48 AM
“Most people can’t be bothered. They let a minority vote for their futures. We do get the government we deserve.”
As one of that minority who always votes I long subscribed to the idea that most-can’t-be-bothered. There is certainly a contingent who fit that description.
But more and more I hear things like my-vote-won’t-count for x number of reasons.
It makes me very sad even when I don’t agree with that person’s politics. The crop of folks we end up with in DC comes from that crop of folks who start in our city/county/borough/state offices. Each vote matters very much at those “lower” offices level – the level which arguably has far more effect on the everyday living interactions we have with govt.
If we want a different crop in DC it starts at home and in our neighborhoods. Keeping an eye on DC is very important but the real prize to keep an eye on is in our backyards.
We had a real fruitcake for a Dem governor candidate last time. I can’t stand Parnell and didn’t vote for him but neither could/did I vote for the other guy just for the party’s sake.
The R party machine claimed some big victory totally ignoring the facts surrounding the not-good candidate on the D side.
It was a victory of the perceived lesser of 2 evils kind of thing and didn’t really reflect anything about difference in party pilitics.
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 8:45 AM
Micheal Barone analyzed the Wisconsin vote and found that Republicans have maintained the voting power they had in the last election.
Omaha voters attempted to recall Mayor Jim Suttle. Political ads and speeches were everywhere. People flocked to city council meetings. However, most people on both sides stayed home, and Suttle kept his job.
Most people can’t be bothered. They let a minority vote for their futures. We do get the government we deserve.
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 8:15 AM
Yes, alaskapi, in some respects, we are still in middle school.
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 8:05 AM
Now is the time for all of us to be informed…..
“When state legislators across the nation introduce similar or identical bills designed to boost corporate power and profits, reduce workers rights, limit corporate accountability for pollution, or restrict voting by minorities, odds are good that the legislation was not written by a state lawmaker but by corporate lobbyists working through the American Legislative Exchange Council. ALEC is a one-stop shop for corporations looking to identify friendly state legislators and work with them to get special-interest legislation introduced. It’s win-win for corporations, their lobbyists, and right-wing legislators. But the big losers are citizens whose rights and interests are sold off to the highest bidder.”
ALEC a shadow organization formed in 1973 and who are the corporate sponsors? Check out who the corporate sponsors of ALEC are, it’s a huge list… http://alecwatch.org/index.html
Corporate America doesn’t want us to know. Close scrutiny reveals that ALEC is little more than a screen for hundreds of big corporations and trade association’s to advance their legislative agendas in state capitals from coast to coast.
The following is a site that shows a list of only some of the laws that ALEC has sponsored
http://www.alecexposed.com/wiki/Additional_Bills_Discovered
It’s time to bring this shadow organization into the light. We are at a crossroads in our country today and it behooves us all to learn as much as we can to make educated choices when we vote, to know who the backers and financial supporters of the politicians are that are running for office and what they stand for and what their agenda is once elected. You may agree or disagree but knowledge is the key to understanding and our future.
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By: Lynnda on August 11, 2011
at 7:59 AM
LMAO….
sanity and insight…..I’ll go along with wit….(and bull)
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By: uawtradesman on August 11, 2011
at 7:53 AM
Sarah Palin is for abstinence only sex education but he kids keep popping out babies out of wedlock or 3 months into their marriage. How is that abstinence only thing working out for you? Imagine if President Obama’s kids had a similar record.
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By: Anonymous on August 11, 2011
at 7:52 AM
Dearest Helen,
So good to have you writing again. You were missed. It made my day to see your two recent posts. I wish you much happiness and great memories in your new home. It’s never easy to start a new chapter in ones life but having followed your posts since the beginning we know how strong you are.
We need your voice of sanity, wit and insight during these hard times and so look forward to your continued posts. Know you are always in our hearts and thoughts.
Wishing you good health and happiness in the next chapter of your life.
Lynnda, Mississippi
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By: Lynnda on August 11, 2011
at 7:40 AM
I agree James.
And one of the wierdest flip sides to the SP thing is for too many of her supporters to ground THEIR arguments in assertions that women who disagree with SP’s political stances are just jealous of her as an attractive woman.
We haven’t gotten out of middle school when it comes to having the ladies in the political eye, I guess.
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 7:33 AM
did you just say that Harry Reid stopped the disclosure act from passing…..(where the dems are still in charge)…..shame on the Dems…..or are you saying that the Dems wouldn’t do a little compromising to get the bill passed….
Republicans criticized the measure, saying Democrats were trying to “rig the system” to their advantage.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/24/nation/la-na-disclose-act-20100924
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By: uawtradesman on August 11, 2011
at 7:31 AM
I agree alaskapi.
A Democrat, Axelrod (?) said “we will have to kill Mitt Romney” if he is the Republican candidate to face Obama, assuming he runs.
They are looking for dirt to portray him as weird.
The same thing is happening to Michele Bachman. Even NOW protested the News Week picture, and they said woman suffer disproportionate personal attacks in campaigns. Besides Sarah Palin, I think Hillary also suffered from personal attacks she would not have had if she were a man.
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 7:24 AM
oops- more coffee needed this morning… just under 36 K voted in Milwaukee county
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 7:16 AM
I belong to a 501 (c) (3). We apply to have sites placed on the National Registry, and our latest project is to get a grant to have a historic building repaired.
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 7:16 AM
anony @9:08-
I don’t see any good in SP but have long found the nasty gossip about her family unacceptable and counter-productive to dealing with her stances on things.
She did us very few favors here as governor and made a hash out of a number of important issues. THAT is where the conversation belongs.
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 7:13 AM
James- the real story about Wisconsin is somewhat obscured by the assertion that that voter turnout was high and therefore this is a slapdown or comeuppance in each race.
Don’t think so.
The real question is why did most stay home?
Milwaukee County had 548479 registered voers in 2009.
Just under 26000 voted this time.
Ozaukee County had 65781 registered voters in 2009.
Roughly 12500 voted this time.
http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=17017&locid=47
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2011/by_county/WI_Page_0809.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 7:09 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43635.html
The super PAC, Alaskans Standing Together, had a huge effect on our last Senate race as did the Tea Party Express.
I am still spitting fire over AST because of how the Native vote got hijacked.
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 7:04 AM
You are right PFessor, and you too Uawtradesman. I already mentioned irregularities in Obama’s campaign. Imagionary people contributed more than they were allowed. Some Democrats are accusing others of what they do. Assumptions of the future are failing, and members of both parties are lashing out because their records are indefensible. The Tea party is an easy target but someone said attacking the Tea Party is like attacking the person who called the fire department.
“I’ve seen the future, I can’t afford it
Tell me the truth. sir someone just bought it
Say mr. whispers! Here come the click of dice
Roulette and blackjacks- gonna build us a paradise
Larger than life and twice as ugly
If we have to live there, you’ll have to drug me.”
“How to be a Millionaire” ABC
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By: James on August 11, 2011
at 7:01 AM
“501(c)(4)See also: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
501(c)(4) organizations are generally civic leagues and other corporations operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees with membership limited to a designated company or people in a particular municipality or neighborhood, and with net earnings devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.[28] 501(c)(4) organizations may lobby for legislation, and unlike 501(c)(3) organizations they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as campaigning is not the organization’s primary purpose.[29] The tax exemption for 501(c)(4) organizations applies to most of their operations, but contributions may be subject to gift tax, and income spent on political activities – generally the advocacy of a particular candidate in an election – is taxable.[30]
Contributions to 501(c)(4) organizations are not deductible as charitable contributions for the U.S. income tax. 501(c)(4) organizations are not required to disclose their donors publicly.[31] This aspect of the law has led to extensive use of the 501(c)(4) provisions for organizations that are actively involved in lobbying, and has become controversial.[32][33] In 2010, a bill (the DISCLOSE Act) was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives that addressed identification of donors to organizations involved in political advocacy,[34] but the bill failed to pass in the Senate.[35]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 6:51 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United
“Citizens United describes its mission as being dedicated to restoring the United States government to “citizens’ control” and to “assert American values of limited government, freedom of enterprise, strong families, and national sovereignty and security.” To fulfill this mission, Citizens United undertakes various educational projects, including television advertising and feature-length documentaries.[1] “
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 6:49 AM
Pfesser-
re donations to outfits like Citizens United- http://www.suite101.com/content/what-is-a-501c4-organization-a14959
They are usually organized as 501 (c) (4)s and do not have to report their donors. Donations are not tax deductible .
The ones like CU are organized as civic leagues, promoting social welfare of some sort or other , the interpretation of whose social welfare being a sort of squishy line .
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By: alaskapi on August 11, 2011
at 6:48 AM
“Wealthy Republicans give millions anonymously. We have no clue who thiese people are. Even money from other countries can end up being used for races like Ms Darling. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH NO NAME OR MOTIVE ATTACHED – not right. All because of Citizens United.”
Whoa there, Hoss. As I understand it, it is not possible to give anonymous donations to Anybody – all donations must have a name attached. Am I misinformed?
Secondly, as I recall, when the last election-reform package was passed through congress, the Democrats were very happy, because it favored the small contributor and limited contributions from large entities. Unfortunately, the next election showed that most of the Republicans’ donations came from Mom n Pop and were five and ten dollars, while the bigger entities went for the Dems – completely opposite of what everybody had thought. Uh-oh, shot myself in the foot…Google up sometime what the American Trial Lawyers Association contributes to the Democratic party.
If I am wrong about all that help me out.
I want to talk about music…LOL
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By: PFesser on August 11, 2011
at 6:27 AM
sounds familiar…..
Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html
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By: uawtradesman on August 11, 2011
at 5:38 AM
Of course the world has shades of gray, but its elemental parts are black and white. You are either alive or dead, pregnant or not. That is black and white. The Democrats and unions would have been fools to waste millions of dollars on a recall which netted them only two seats. They said their goal was to win back the Senate, and they failed. Of course, the Republicans regret losing two seats, but the status quo remains.
As I wrote, one Republican previously won in a democratic district, and the other was alleged to be having an affair. Both were weak links. Certainly, their defeats are a loss to Republicans, but they still have a majority. Losing that would have been a game changer with national ramifications.
Democrats have committed unethical voting acts as well as Republicans. Their ally ACORN has been convicted of voter irregularities in Nevada. As I mentioned, the Obama campagn played fast and loose with contributions as did Clinton during his career. Its irrelevant now, but one of the most overt cheaters was Landslide Lyndon Johnson.
I’m surprised no one mentioned Eric Clapton in our discussions. He is one of the music’s best guitarists, and that song fits our discussion.
I like the story of the two wolves. In my lifetime, I have fed them both.
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By: James on August 10, 2011
at 9:52 PM
Good advice, Anonymous…
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By: poolman on August 10, 2011
at 9:41 PM
To all of those still after the Palin family, to those so blinded by hate they cannot see any good in their opponents.
An old Cherokee told his grandson, “My son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is Evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies, & ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, & truth.” The boy thought about it, and asked, “Grandfather, which wolf wins?” The old man quietly replied, “The one you feed.”
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 9:08 PM
Not sure if Noah is still here but ‘his’ ‘logic’ still is. Geez.
Wisconsin was a loss in a black and white world. It wasn’t all the Democrats hoped for. But it’s not a black and white world and it’s a major blow to establishment Republicans who lost their seats in red districts. Others retained their seats by hundreds or a few thousand votes. Not a mandate but a message. Keep ticking off the masses and those margins will gradually get smaller or be wiped out.
Unethical financing of campaigns and propaganda to get people to vote AFTER election day… isn’t that the stuff Democrats are accused of? We all love music here. How about a little Eric Clapton?
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 8:52 PM
Democrats doubt Barack Obama’s reelection chances
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8692054/Democrats-doubt-Barack-Obamas-reelection-chances.html
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 8:46 PM
Well,Helen. In just a few words you have captured Truth. Stay tuned in and keep us informed.I am voting for you all the time ! come on!
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By: crusher on August 10, 2011
at 8:38 PM
Unions and Democrats lost in Wisconsin. To say otherwise is rationalization. Even if the margin were by one vote, it would have been a loss. One of the Republican losers had won by fluke in a Democratic district. The other was allegedly having an affair.
If Democrats get the governor recalled by a vote, no amount of Republican spinning will turn it into anything other than what it would be, a major loss.
Democrats have their own funding problems. Some contributors to Obama’s campaign ;paid over the legal limit. The campaign said they were notified so they could refund some of the money, but that seems not to have happened every time.
Flopping Aces listed some of the ficticious names of people who appeared to be from foreign countries.
The campaign disabled the Address Verification Service to prevent anyone from knowing where the donations came from. Doodad, for example, gave $10,780. and John Galt gave money too. As of Cctober 8 2010, $485 million of the $744,million Obama raised was accountable.
Sarah Palin is a grandmother again, and her enemies won’t let her family rest. Obviously, Bush is to blame. He is the father of one, and Aharnold is also a Palin dad. I know its true, because I read it on a blog.
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By: James on August 10, 2011
at 8:00 PM
Sen. McCain is catching crap at town halls!!!! Oh my!! Seems his people are upset with tax breaks for the wealthy and big business – imagine that!
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08/10/292436/frustrated-constituents-jeer-sen-mccain-for-supporting-huge-corporate-tax-breaks/
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 6:48 PM
congratulations Sarah and Todd….
Her eldest son, Track, and his wife, Britta reportedly welcomed a baby girl named Kyla Grace Palin on Sunday night.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/entertainment/celebrity/report%3A-it%27s-grandbaby-number-2-for-sarah-palin
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 5:53 PM
Even money from other countries can end up being used
Great, and your proof is what again?
So if a Republican gives millions as you claim, then if I find a Democrat that gave millions would you say they were buying the vote as well?
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 5:41 PM
Sarah Palin has a new grand baby as of this past weekend. The new parents have been married for 3 months. Sarah has not announced her new grand baby to the world, instead she is talking trash. Sarah is real Presidential material. UAW – The hate I see comes from Sarah Palin, not a small town blogger.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/sarah-palin-still-has-nothing-to-say.html
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 5:39 PM
I feel sorry for Malia Litman….to be filled with that much hate…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 5:23 PM
what’s next ….
Trig having down syndrome is Bush’s fault….
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 5:15 PM
Sarah Palin and her baby, Trig. Time to move on to Sarah since she might throw her hat into the ring in Sept. Question: Who is the birth mother? Interesting information:
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 3:42 PM
Wealthy Republicans give millions anonymously. We have no clue who thiese people are. Even money from other countries can end up being used for races like Ms Darling. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH NO NAME OR MOTIVE ATTACHED – not right. All because of Citizens United.
Democrats give their name and occupation when they, and I, give money. We either have people power or we have nothing. By all rights, all 6 races should have gone Republican. Republicans should have won by a landslide but they didn’t, THANKS TO THE POWER OF PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN.
This is just the beginning..
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 3:21 PM
So if it is for a Democrat, you are donating to your political party, if you are a Republican you are buying votes?
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 3:09 PM
Ms. Darling, Wisconsin Republican had 8 MILLION DOLLARS pumped into her campaign by the right wing. She lives in a Republican district and only won by 5000 votes.
The Right Wing Groups, Rove and kochs are buying up elections. The playing field of politics is way off balance and Money is the winner because of Citizens United. The big bucks boys are now in charge but there are some brave individuals willing to do the foot work needed to change things.
Time for more signature gathering starting in January.
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 2:55 PM
happens on both sides…..
http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/08/chicago-liberal-donor-sends-200000-to-wisconsin-recall/
http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-york-vote-fraud-indictments-focus.html
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/extensive-ny-voter-fraud-ring-exposed-20110809-lgf
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/27/absentee-voter-fraud-allegationsagain-0
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 2:24 PM
It seems to me that with both sides bidding a nearly equal amount both doing the same thing. There is no difference in that respect.
So far, the Republican plan is benefiting some of the towns and school districts. The middle class people who will lose are the government workers who the tax payers can’t afford to pay the wages and benefits they have been spending.
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By: James on August 10, 2011
at 1:42 PM
The elections were bought and paid for by the wealthiest. The Kochs put in a few million and expect a billion payback. Sadly, the middle class are the ones who pay the price by having lower wages and less benefits. The utility costs will rise also as Koch and friends take over the public works.
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/08/10/wi-the-kochs-colbert-and-in-politics/
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 1:27 PM
http://www.cagle.com/news/WorstCongress/2.asp
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 1:27 PM
I thought foreign money was a Clinton thing….(Koreans sleeping in White House)……
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 1:18 PM
Liberal Recall Money Matrix of the Maclver Institute has a chart showing how much Democratic supporters spent and sources of out of state aid. The reports are on file with the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board. Public employee unions and other groups. Over fourteen million dollars came from those groups.
Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post linked to Hot Air wrote that more than $25 million supported both sides and over five million dollars was raised by the candidates.Republicans had a slight edge, but it was pretty even. Unions helped Democrats, while The Club for Growth and Americans for Prosperity gave money to Republicans.
Cillizza wrote “if these results stand, it is an undeniable defeat for labor and for progressive activists”
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel wrote “so it turns out the sky isn’t going to fall… Gov. Scott Walker’s tools for local governments apparently will help at least some of them deal with cuts in state aid imposed by the state budget.” MIlwaukee will get an additional $13 million dollars this year with Walker’s plan.
If trends continue, time is on the side of the Republicans.
So what if the Koch brothers support Republican causes. What makes them any different from George Soros who does the same for Democrats?
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By: James on August 10, 2011
at 1:13 PM
I am sure you would not make an unwarranted claim about foreign money paying for an election in Wisconsin. Could you show us what you based your comment on?
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 12:55 PM
actually winning 4 out of 6 sounds like a mandate….
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 12:47 PM
Interesting Concept: Compromise definition, a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims
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By: shuz on August 10, 2011
at 12:45 PM
30+ million is a conservative number actually.
Proof will be coming. By the way, imagine – 2004 – Ohio: votes were shown to be tampered with. Funny it took so many years to show how it went down. Citizens United – just give millions to front groups and the wealthy actually do not have to say where the money came from.
When I give money, I have to declare my name, job, where I live, etc. Why do those who give millions not have to do the same????? Citizens United – the Billionaires Friend. The elections in Wisconsin was bought by Billionaires. (Winning 2 of 6 against all odds is actually amazing.)
On to the next set of recalls in Jan.
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 12:36 PM
interesting….
Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/25/the-wisconsin-lie-exposed-taxpayers-actually-contribute-nothing-to-public-employee-pensions/
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 12:35 PM
30+ Million by various business and out of country money bought the election actually.
Show proof please.
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 12:08 PM
Wisconsin: How many millions were put in by right wing groups? Where did those millions come from? (Actually, we may never know because of Citizens United.) 30+ Million by various business and out of country money bought the election actually.
Historically: Beating an incumbent is very difficult, if not impossible. However, the fight will continue. I will be sending money to support the recall efforts starting in January.
Unions make better working conditions and wages for all people. As a nation, we need to buy USA products – just saying.
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 12:05 PM
Less than 20% of the US population believe Congress is working in their best interest!!! People believe they are crooks.
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/new-poll-most-congressman-are-crooks-pre-revolution-sign?CID=examiner_alerts_article
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 11:55 AM
What does $10 million to $15 million get you? If you’re Big Labor pouring money into recall elections in Wisconsin, it gets you a cumulative 47 percent of the vote and continued minority status in the state Senate.
http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/08/10/a-bad-night-for-big-labor-in-wisconsin-recall-elections/
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 11:52 AM
The Economy will not improve until the crooks are thrown out of office! Interesting points in this video.
http://www.realecontv.com/videos/us/economy-wont-recoveruntil-we-get-the-criminals-out-of-government.html
Wisconsin: It is just the beginning. New recalls will be in the works 2012.
It took the Koch’s 30+ years to buy up the political clout needed to alter the political landscape, it will take time and effort to counter their money.
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 11:27 AM
On a lighter note: OT
Mrs. Giuliani comes to visit her son, Anthony, for dinner. He lives with a female roommate, Maria. During the course of the meal, his mother couldn’t help but notice how pretty Anthony’s roommate is. Over the course of the evening, while watching the two interact, she started to wonder if there was more between Anthony and his roommate than met the eye.
Reading his mom’s thoughts, Anthony volunteered, “I know what you must be thinking, but I assure you, Maria and I are just roommates.”
About a week later, Maria came to Anthony saying, “Ever since your mother came to dinner, I’ve been unable to find the silver sugar bowl. You don’t suppose she took it, do you?”
“Well, I doubt it, but I’ll email her, just to be sure.” So he sat down and wrote an email:
Dear mama,
I’m not saying that you “did” take the sugar bowl from my house; I’m not saying that you “did not” take it. But the fact remains that it has been missing ever since you were here for dinner.
Love, Anthony
Several days later, Anthony received a response email from his Mama which read:
Dear son,
I’m not saying that you “do” sleep with Maria, and I’m not saying that you “do not” sleep with her. But the fact remains that if she was sleeping in her OWN bed, she would have found the sugar bowl by now.
Love, Mama
Moral: Never lie to your mama !!
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By: PFesser on August 10, 2011
at 10:59 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…GOT TO LOVE THOSE POLLS….
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 21% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 10:01 AM
this one I really like
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2011/76_say_americans_becoming_more_rude_less_civilized
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 9:55 AM
more polls….
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/69_say_it_s_likely_scientists_have_falsified_global_warming_research
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 9:52 AM
it was I.
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By: James on August 10, 2011
at 9:48 AM
and no targets but
“””Unless things change and Obama can run on accomplishments, HE WILL HAVE TO KILL ROMNEY,” (emphasis mine) said a prominent Democratic strategist aligned with the White House.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/gino618/obamas-team-has-revealed-_n_922344_101920009.html
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 9:48 AM
Alec Baldwin tweeted that the riots would not have lasted long had they been in Texas or Arizona.
In some neighborhoods, vigilanties patrolled, though it was against the law.
A brave East Indian woman berated looters with a profane speech.
I hope this wakes Brits to what is happening in their country.
Mamawink, the Tea Party and GOP are unpopular because big media and Democratic politicians blame them for our troubles. Most people still don’t have time for more than a casual perusal of a few news shows.
We are not trying to change minds. Independent observation and reality should do it for us. We are equal time until reality is undeniable..
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 9:27 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/29_say_tea_party_members_are_terrorists_55_disagree
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 9:27 AM
so you like polls….
Voters feel more strongly than ever that decreasing government spending is good for the economy and think tax increases of any kind are a bad economic move. Sixty-seven percent (67%) think that thoughtful spending cuts should be considered in every program of the federal government as the nation searches for solutions to the budget crisis.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/voters_still_express_more_confidence_in_tea_party_than_in_congress
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 9:23 AM
Mamawink, what polls, what policies?
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 9:17 AM
mamawink…
we’re not trying to tell you that the GOP/Tea Party’s policies are good for the country…..we’re trying to tell you that the liberal/progressive policies are bad for the country…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 9:15 AM
I was on the Guardian’s Website and it was a battle royal between outraged Americans chiding the Brits for not having guns and Brits who felt we were all Neanderthals. I have to say when I saw the picture of the big guy forcing the much smaller young man to strip and give him his clothes and shoes that it certainly crossed my mind that, if he had a gun, that sort of thing wouldn’t happen.
I guess private ownership of firearms is why Americans are called citizens and Brits are called “subjects.”
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By: PFesser on August 10, 2011
at 8:50 AM
Why are you wasting your time posting RW tripe on a progressive blog? .You’re never going to convince anyone here, that the GOP/Tea Party’s destructive policies are good for the country. By the looks of the latest polls, most Americans aren’t convinced either.
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By: Mamawink on August 10, 2011
at 8:49 AM
sales of baseball bats and batons have skyrocketed
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By: uawtradesman on August 10, 2011
at 8:46 AM
I forgot to add my name. British police finally gave people who think they are in danger to use force and any available weapons to defend themselves. The bbcweathercentre.com ran video of looting and interviews last night.
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By: James on August 10, 2011
at 8:24 AM
We do have some good news, the Taliban fighters who shot down the US helicopter are dead.
The Democrats’ recall effort to re take the Wisconsin senate failed though they ousted two Republicans. Two Democrats face a recall next week. Democrats and unions spent a lot of time and money but they failed.
Scot Walker’s budget is working as he promised. Schools who did not sign with the unions before the law have not had to lay off teachers, and some cities like Milwaukee have more money for their budgets.
If governments’ living within their means becomes a trend, maybe it will spread to the federal government.
Our problems began long before Bush. The fifty years Democrats controlled Congress established the framework which put us here. Republicans helped, of course.
China would like to loan money to another country but so far, we are still better off than our competitors. Europe is in worse shape than we are.
I agree with what you wrote. In addition to the hidden tax, we all, not just the rich will pay higher taxes. Dr. Ernie Goss, UNO economist predicts the government will soak us all after 2013.
During an early inflationary period, Americans used an expression…not worth a continental.
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By: Anonymous on August 10, 2011
at 8:21 AM
The Dow is down 200 points in eight minutes of trading. Hang onto your hats, boys. The temporary fix of The Bernank’s “Quantitative Easing” (printing a ton of money) has come home to roost.
Our govt is in a real financial bind, and that govt, having not lived within its means, wants more money and you have it. Here is how they are going to use “quantitative easing” (printing money) to get it:
Let’s say we live in a small economy with goods and services worth $100,000 and $100,000 of money in circulation. So far so good; everything is balance. Let’s also say that I have 50k money in the bank and you have 50k money in the bank.
But I have a printing press. I print another $100,000. Now there is $200,000 of money circulating, but I have $150,000 of it and you have $50,000.
Since there is twice as much money for the same amount of goods and services, the true worth of our money is half, which means your money is now worth $25,000 and mine is worth $75,000 = the original 100k of real worth.
I just took half your money and you didn’t even realize what happened. Slick, ain’t it? And I did it without raising taxes or cutting spending and pissing you off for the next election.
I also can stiff the foreigners whom I owe money to, since I will now be paying with money that is worth half as much as before.
Of course they will never lend me money again except at extremely high interest rates, since they don’t trust me, so now I can’t buy anything except as pay-as-you go. Not good in the long term for my economy is it? As they say, you can’t get something for nothing.
And that, my friends, is IMHO where we are today. No question in my mind GWB started this hellbound train, but Bo has made it so very much worse. Damn them both.
Rant over.
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By: PFesser on August 10, 2011
at 7:52 AM
OT –
For those of us who kept the faith during the dark days: Apple just passed Exxon Mobil to become the world’s largest company. Huzzaaaaa….
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By: PFesser on August 10, 2011
at 6:50 AM
Finally, a Republican has recanted the Grover Norquist tax pledge. We need more of this! The Bush Tax Credits need to go. He went back home and recanted the pledge. Getting rid of the Bush Tax Credits is good fiscal policy.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/will-become-trend-republican-congress
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By: Anonymous on August 9, 2011
at 3:59 PM
NOP, I am a mongrel. I don’t fit in any category but my own. Its frustrating for some, but not for me.
I agree Pfessor and uawtradesman.
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By: James on August 9, 2011
at 12:27 PM
I really liked the 1st pic with the people holding brooms…..kind of like the Teapartyers……(trying to clean things up)
Rachel Maddow——-fair and balanced?????
http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2011/08/08/insults-stupid-arguments-and-lies/
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/08/08/president-obama-again-refuses-to-accept-any-responsibility-offers-no-deficit-reduction-plan/
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By: uawtradesman on August 9, 2011
at 11:20 AM
anon 10:29
I actually know the blogger of immoralminority and consider him a friend, although we have never met. He is an unrepentant far-left liberal and makes no bones about it. I think I am fairly objective on the current meltdown; I have been investing in the market for almost 35 years and every investment report I have read for the past three years – including Bush-the-Lesser’s tenure – have predicted exactly what has befallen us. The core of it IMHO belongs on GWB’s lap; many investors did not think Obama could pull us out of Bush’s follies even back when Obama was elected. Unfortunately his administration’s policy has not only made the almost-certainty into a certainty, the unrestrained printing of money has made the depth and severity of the coming recession/inflationary spiral much, much worse.
If you want a good read, consider Milton Friedman’s “Free to Choose.” Written I think in the ‘eighties, it lays out perfectly the trajectory we have been following and unfortunately where we are heading. Tea Party downgrade? Hardly. That’s just IMHO an attempt to shift blame to the ONE group that understands you can’t keep spending borrowed money. There will be tough times ahead but there is no help for it, I don’t think. The bad decisions are behind us; now comes the reckoning.
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By: PFesser on August 9, 2011
at 10:59 AM
Cynthia, seven Afghan special forces soldiers died in the attack too. Two Iowans and a Nebraskan also died.
Anonymous, it is already here. A mob attacked white people leaving the Wisconsin state fair. Philidelphia is in such dire straights the mayor asked rap singers to help quell the violence. Flash mobs are active in other parts of the country too. The Bush tax cuts did not cause the riots any more than Obama’s failed policies to create conditions for more jobs. Blacks are suffering more than many of us, and the unemployment rate is very high for young black men. If you have a job and can pay for your food and shelter, you may hate that rich people have more than you do, but you are less likely to riot than if you try and fail to find a job.
Our country has suffered large economic disparities before. The Depression featured unrest, and so did the farm depression of the late seventies and eighties.
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By: James on August 9, 2011
at 10:59 AM
Pfessor, I agree many of the troops in Europe serve little of the origional purpose and some could come home. However, several of our bases are important outposts to protect us in the event of a war in the Middle East etc. Without them, we would be reduced to air craft carriers or long US based supply routes.
China is trying to increase its influence in the East. We need bases there to countermand their potential future aggression.
Uawtradesman, the British have had problems for awhile because numerous Muslims and other minorities have moved in without being assimilated into the general population as is usually the case here. A few communities live under virtual Sharia Law. Other European countries are in a similar state.
Some of the stories are heart rending. Defenseless victims ran for their lives or watched looters steal and burn their stores. Police were in short supply, and in some cases, they watched stores burn.
I remember the post Rodney King riots when looters burned and stole. Many people were victimized, but Koreans not so much. They were armed and protected their businesses with bullets. A network news show taped a man aiming his pistol.
I am prejudiced because Koreans are part of my extended family, and it is politically incorrect to say this. Had the British been more like the Koreans with weapons, the riots would not have been as awful as they were. Of course the streets would have held more dead people.
I like pajamasmedia too. You might enjoy Betsy’s also.
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By: James on August 9, 2011
at 10:31 AM
UAW: As we have a greater gulf between the haves and have nots, we can expect more unrest. 400 families owning the US – it is just a matter of time before unrest starts here. The BUSH TAX CUTS CREATED A MONSTER GULF BETWEEN THE HAVES AND HAVE NOTS IN THE US! It is way past time to get rid of the GW Bush tax cuts.
IT IS THE REPUBLICAN AND TEAPARTY DOWNGRADE! Boehner got 98% of what he wanted and now he wants to blame President Obama.
Rachel Maddow explains the downgrade and paperwork setting up the downgrade quite well.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/rachel-maddow-points-out-that.html
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By: Anonymous on August 9, 2011
at 10:29 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/09/afghanistan.pilot.son/index.html
“A young boy in Kansas was among millions in America who watched the horrifying news this past weekend about the Chinook that went down in Afghanistan’s Wardak province.
That boy in Kansas soon found out that his father, a U.S. Army pilot, was aboard the doomed helicopter.
In the midst of his world shattering, he could not understand why the Navy SEALs drew so much attention. There were 30 Americans on board that Chinook. Why wasn’t anyone mentioning his father, a chief warrant officer with Bravo Company, 7th Battalion, 155th Aviation Regiment?
So he sent in a photograph to CNN’s iReport of his dad, Bryan Nichols, sitting with four of his Army buddies in front of a military aircraft.
“My father was one of the 30 US Soldiers killed in Afghanistan yesterday with the Seals rescue mission,” he wrote. “My father was the pilot of the chinook. I have seen other pictures of victims from this deadly mission and wish you would include a picture of my father. He is the farthest to the left.”………
Braydon Nichols is 10 years old and he wants you to know……. his father…..….Bryan Nichols……..….died along with the Navy SEALS on Sunday August 7, 2011!
Peace NOW!
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By: Cynthia on August 9, 2011
at 10:28 AM
James, whenever I think there is hope for you, well, you go all goof on us again.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 9, 2011
at 10:16 AM
http://cryptome.org/info/totten-protest/totten-protest.htm
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By: uawtradesman on August 9, 2011
at 10:05 AM
and some people think we should be more like the U.K.
did ACORN go over there?????
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By: uawtradesman on August 9, 2011
at 10:02 AM
anon @ 9:31
Agreed wholeheartedly on the military budget. I’m generally critical of libs AND conservatives – at least the far-right social agenda, although the cons fiscal policy seems right on to me.
Somebody turned me on to pajamasmedia last week and I have really enjoyed much of it. It is conservative, but makes me think of the OLD days of conservatism when the GOP was not dominated by the Religious Right and was filled with Thinking Conservatives. Here is what I think is a good article on Europe and protecting it with American troops – for what? Basically nothing in return. If I were king, probably my first decree would be to close 3/4 of all foreign military bases. Tomorrow.
Thoughts?
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/an-anatomy-of-european-nonsense/
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By: PFesser on August 9, 2011
at 9:59 AM
Interesting idea: The military budget is way out of line when you compare our budget to other countries budgets. If you look at all areas of the US budget in relation to other nations – what part of the budget stands out as excessive when compared? Can we afford to police the world?
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/barney-frank-military-spending-blame-us-cred
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By: Anonymous on August 9, 2011
at 9:31 AM
Yes PFessor, taxes help manage the herd don’t they?
alaskapi, your kayak experience sounds like a good story to tell.
One theory if ice age development holds that warming causes more snow and initially creates widespread glaciation.
Delurkergurl, a while back you wrote that Obamacare will help reduce costs and lower our medical expenses. According to The Daily Caller, official forecasts ignore the cost of insuring the families of some employees. It could increase the price to as high as $50 billion a year. Other miscalculations will make the bill higher. This is only the latest incorrect estimate of future costs.
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By: James on August 9, 2011
at 8:51 AM
Pfesser-
I don’t have time today to respond but thought you would be interested in this:
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/alaska-glacier-crushes-plane?page=0,0
Not all glaciers here are receding though most are. Had a far less damaging but very scary runin with an iceberg in a kayak years ago myself. Other folks further away said they had never seen a kayak do a 180 in the air which I somehow managed to do when the wave flung me up. I hit the water again at proper angle not to swamp or roll (pure luck) and paddled out . The fellow’s remarks about river based and tidewater glaciers are spot on.
Robin- glad to see you here.
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By: alaskapi on August 9, 2011
at 7:48 AM
James –
You mentioned an interesting concept: that tax laws can be used to change behavior. If you think about it, that is the same as more tax: if a particular tax law causes you to spend your money on something that you would not otherwise (in order to get a tax break), they are in effect taking your money and spending it for you. So the code has overt taxes which you see and covert taxes which really amount to extortion. It would be like the school bully telling you that if you don’t buy his girlfriend a Coke, he will take the money from you by force and buy it himself.
In the end the result is the same: you spent your money in a way you did not want to do. You are unable to choose how you spend you money – you lost control of it, which is the same as just handing it over.
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By: PFesser on August 9, 2011
at 7:42 AM
Robin Salvitory Allison, Democrats with Republican help caused our economic melt down. The government starting with Janet Reno, ACORN and other groups pressured banks to loan mortgage money to poor people, especially minorities. The altered bad loans entered the system and financiers turned them into other forms which they traded across the world. I agree, there wasn’t enough regulation, but the root cause was the bad loans which polluted the world’s financial system. We need a regulated free market.
I agree the Canadians managed the crisis better than our government did.
Greed motivates people and businesses. Governments exist in part to regulate our greed and channel it along paths which benefit the most people. As you wrote, the tax code is a useful tool to encourage people to behave in certain ways.
If a government wants people to earn more money it lets them keep more of what they earned. The money circulates through the economy and increases government revenue through the creation of new wealth. The Bush tax cuts later extended by Obama helped create more jobs and government revenue. That is a fact. That Republicans and later Democrats spent more than taxes brought in is also a fact.
Thus removing the income tax cuts during a near recession is a bad idea. It takes money from the private economy and exacerbates the problem. Other taxes or or loopholes are fair game. GE should not be able to earn as much as it does and not pay taxes, for example.
I agree the deck is stacked against some people. Equal opportunity is an ideal. Luck, abilities and social status alter the equality of outcomes.That’s life. This modified capitalist system is flawed, but it works best for the most people.
Flu is a shaky argument. It mutates, and occasionally becomes more deadly than normal. Flu deaths are more dependent on individual strains than on the economy.
We are over regulating ourselves. That as much as taxes weighs on business and consuming. For example, a four year old was forbidden to sell lemonade to Ragbrie riders because she didn’t have a permit.
I hope you keep writing.
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By: James on August 9, 2011
at 7:34 AM
I agree with the Pfessor. The government has restricted competion and imposed bureaucratic layers which interfere with the efficient practice of medicine. Some is necessary, but we have gone too far.
Another reason the cost of medical care rises is technological advances make it more valuable. Cars cost more, for the same reason.
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By: James on August 9, 2011
at 6:37 AM
Did somebody kill anonymous? poof. he’s gone.
🙂
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By: Linda on August 9, 2011
at 6:13 AM
alaskapi –
Points well taken. But I believe the reason the costs are so high is *because* it is not a free-market system; the govt has distorted the market and then sets out to “fix it.”
Let me give you an example: When I was a kid, there was NO govt involvement in medicine. Medicare had not been conceived. We went to the local MD if needed, but did it sparingly because it cost money out of our pockets. Same for hospital and surgery costs, but medical insurance was very affordable for everyone. The average doctor made $8000, the average American $4000/year. (I had a “history of medicine” course in med school and we went through this stuff.) The local emergency room (for the one hospital in town) did not staff its ER; the docs at the hospital took turns taking call from home; if someone was injured the doc came in, patched him up or sent him to a larger center.
Now that town has about 1/2 its former population; like all of WV it is in a state of chronic decline. There are now two hospitals; one has two full-time 24/7 dr’s. The other has four docs 24/7. I worked in the ED for a while and just for interest kept a log one weekend. Of about 100 patients, I classified 80 as “do not need to be seen at all.” About 12 “need to be seen by their Dr. in the office tomorrow.” Only about 10 were “emergent.”
So what is happening? Medicare/Medicaid have turned the EDs into walk-in clinics. Snotty babies who used to be taken care of by Granny are going to the ED, since it is “free.” (And Granny doesn’t live with most 16 year-old single moms these days – don’t get me started on the govt’s perverse incentives to young girls to get themselves pregnant.) Since expensive testing is paid for by the govt (you and me) and the Drs are terrified of being sued, they order every expensive test they can think of. The unlimited demand and easy payments to the hospitals and docs from the govt (you and me again) have driven the cost out the roof. Huge corporations have sprung up to soak up the dollars now flowing like water through the system. This did not exist before and is completely due to available money. There is no incentive to contain cost, and they don’t try. I am being perfectly honest here; I am a part of that system and it is very, very wrong.
I won’t drone on, but from where I sit I believe that medical care was provided cheaply and efficiently at one time, but not now; I remember those days. The problem to my eye is that the govt causes the problems, then points to them and says, “you need more govt to solve these problems.” Right.
There was an amazing newspaper editor in Richwood, WV many years ago who ran a paper called “The Hillbilly.” Jim Comstock was his name, and he had more common sense in one finger than most people have in their whole body. He wrote a column in the late ‘sixties and I remember it well: “To my friends the doctors, whom I hold in great esteem. The government has a plan for you. It is called “Medicare.” It will make some of you rich. It will destroy your profession. Run from it as hard as you can.”
Well said.
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By: pfesser53 on August 9, 2011
at 3:59 AM
Just a couple points: Canada spent much less on a stimulus because-surprise- they didn’t have banks and financiers “too big to fail” gambling like addicts in a casino with others money, because- surprise- they had/have regulations in place that are a lot stronger than what we were left with after some god of free markets decided allowing the fox to guard the hen house was a grand scheme.
If you like the days of the Robber Barons, and the Guilded age, with 80 hour work weeks and no employee benefits, then a totally free market is your dream. Dog eat dog. No rules. Your boss not only fired you when you wouldn’t sleep with them, but spread the word you’re unreliable and not a team player? Welcome to the world of unemployment. No one guarantees you a job, or food, or a home. Better to die and decrease the surplus population,
I don’t advocate a “welfare state”, and never meant to say I begrudged someone earning a lot of money. I do think tax codes should be used to encourage the social goal of everyone qualifying for a shot at the American Dream. Lower tax rates encourage greed at the upper margins. Things like deductions for charity were instituted to encourage folks to spend that last million instead of saving it. Business deductions did the same, but now the best deductions come from off-shoring- this isn’t good public policy. Once family farms became the exception rather than the rule, government social programs became a necessity. People under nourished and living in extreme poverty 1) are less competent physically and mentally as a workforce- bad for business 2) more susceptible to disease. Look up what flu epidemics used to do in this country. It isn’t all modern medicine that makes flu less deadly, it is social programs like minimum wage, food stamps, WIC, public health departments.
Unions overstepped back in the 60’s- I was a kid and recalled strike after strike. The backlash came and wages, even non-Union, never recovered and have been declining steadily despite huge gains in productivity and profits. A business doesn’t have a moral obligation to end poverty or provide for their employee’s retirement or health care in some eyes, their sole moral obligation is to turn a profit, I happen to think if a business takes advantage of the benefits of being in the US to turn a profit, they have the same responsibilities as any individual citizen to contribute to the common good. If they can contribute to a political campaign, shouldn’t they pay as much in taxes as I do?
IF marginal rates went back up to historical levels, the uber wealthy would be more inclined to trickle it down to the folks who don’t have loopholes to exploit. If my net remains the same after deducting a business expense by hiring someone, and having an extra someone means I can expand services and turn a better profit or more repeat business, I will hire, Or I can give my good employees a raise and net the same-happier employees, less turn over, more profit. But our tax code has been whacked askew from the balance we once enjoyed that drove the economy. Business also quit looking at long term goals and became driven by quarterly reports. It used to be a long term goal to retain, rather than turn over , employees. It costs several thousand dollars to bring up a new hire. But the new hire is cheaper once you get past that first quarter. Even more so if you can half ass train them and then fire them for non-performance.
Lousy jobs I stuck with because I enjoyed them (and part of the lousy was due to schedules that made job hunting a royal pain) I was valued because I had been there long enough to remember what worked and what didn’t. I watched as training new folks up to speed was lost in the pursuit of bonuses by the managers. I watched customers turn around and leave if one of us old employees were not there. But there were always new customers to take their place I guess.
I work for what around here is decent wages- not great, but decent- yet to mostly get by I work 50-85 hours a week. Lucky me, I’m exempt- no overtime. Telling me this is a great nation because one can “choose” to work several jobs “to get ahead” is a farce when the vast majority of us working over 40 hours are doing it to survive. My partner has her own business- she loves it, it makes it better for the family as far as togetherness, but it won’t make her rich. Especially if Medicaid gets cut- that will screw both of us as far as paychecks. We both deal with disabled. Should disabled be the sole responsibility of family? How about the person with no family? Let them die? Who wants a spot on the death panel? Lock them all up and warehouse them? We still pay, more than providing in home support. Why am I in the wrong for thinking if .01% of my tax dollar goes to Medicare a millionaire should contribute the same %? Because my contribution is a few bucks while theirs may be hundreds?
I want no one starving or sick in what is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth. Both take away your freedom of choice. The present top heavy wealth distribution is toppling our economic engine. It isn’t a free market if you have to work 3 crappy jobs to make ends meet. Free to vacation? I’m not free there, I don’t have the money. Free to move and find a new job? I’ve never moved since college where it took less than a full work week of packing and hauling ( and friends helping)- or I could pay a couple grand and get a mover. I’m helping someone right now. They literally have no money left, I’ve spent 100 bucks on food and gas and close to 40 hours and still we are not done-course some of that was child care. Most of America does not enjoy the freedoms of the free market because a totally free market wants you to work for free and buy their goods at a premium. This is why the government needs to regulate and tax to encourage better and more jobs. Not because I want a nanny state, but because life isn’t fair, and people take advantage of that. Henry Ford paid his workers enough that they could afford a car, provoking howls of outrage from other businessmen. It worked. It also raised wages at other factories to compete. The economy grew. He could have paid a normal salary and made more initial profit. He also would not have had the productivity advantage of loyal workers, and a smaller market for his cars. Here lies the root of our economic problems- companies no longer care about loyal workers, or loyal customers, or even stock holders. They don’t give loyalty to the communities they are based in, or even the nation that allows them to succeed and paves their roads. They don’t give loyalty to their workers- you’ve been here 10 years, that high school dropout is a lot cheaper than you, we don’t care about loyalty. The CEO is concerned about his next bonus and making his numbers look good. If he screws up? He’s already made enough to live comfortably, and will probably go off and screw up elsewhere- after all,if company x paid him millions after they fired him, he must be good, right? There isn’t a free market, there’s an old boys club that is competing to see who has the most toys when they die.
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By: Robin Salvadori Allison on August 9, 2011
at 12:16 AM
Ok, I this goes back a few days, but I was rolling on the floor with tears reading the schizophrenic hijacking of Noah’s avatar and then the people who actually thought it was Noah. Sorry it happened, but it certainly made me laugh!
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By: Dawn on August 8, 2011
at 9:16 PM
62% of bankruptcies are caused by Medical Expenses. Something to be proud of for sure. Time to change the system. (Those are often people who have health insurance.)
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/109143/top-5-reasons-why-people-go-bankrupt?mod=bb-checking_savings
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 8:28 PM
Bill Maher NEW RULE
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/bill-mahers-new-rule-is-that-left-needs.html
The biggest reason for bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. We have a high rate of bankruptcy by the way.
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 8:04 PM
Pfesser-
Alaska Native Health here does very well and more closely resembles other countries than the rest of America. There are folks who abuse it but the numbers are low.
In most of the state it’s all there is, usually in the form of a small clinic or a travelling PA in touch via VHF or sat phone with an MD, and in areas where there are no other options , non-natives use the services for a small co-pay.
People in ANC and the valley have medical services which more closely resemble Outside but vast numbers of folks are sent Outside for specialty things and/or surgeries we don’t have the specialists for.
For every slob like the one you mention who leaches services , we have neighbors such as mine who killed himself by jumping off a bridge because he found out he needed a minimum of $10k just to get a handle on what was up without factoring in costs to go Outside to do that or any treatment . He worked day in and day out at a job which took care of him except for insurance and his buy-them-himself premiums here would have been over half his paycheck. He wasn’t 50 years old.
We need to do something sensible.
It’s gone on too long.
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By: alaskapi on August 8, 2011
at 7:54 PM
That’s a pretty interesting study. I see they cut the numbers of deaths dramatically. Of course they were comparing themselves to, well – themselves. Kind of like that Nutrisystem commercial: “My wife says I’m not as disgusting as I used to be.” So the British docs are not killing as many as they *used* to. Hmmm…..
The second problem I see is the assertion that the American system is a market system. “See where choice and competition get you” I believe was the quote. I see the American system every day – from the inside – and I can tell you it is far, far from a market system. Govt programs have themselves introduced almost all the inefficiencies, which the govt then points to as proof that we need – you guessed it – MORE government, to get rid of the inefficiencies. Not a day goes by that I don’t see some young gal – about a 400-pounder, usually – roll into the ED in an ambulance and as the gurney is wheeled in, she is texting or talking on the phone. Inefficient? You betcha, as Klondike Kardashian would say. But, of course, the govt pays for the ride (which is code for “you and I pay for it”) and after her ten thousand dollar workup for vag-itch, when she needs a ride home, it will be by ambulance – paid for by Medicaid, of course.
Yep, we certainly need medical reform in America. No doubt about that all right…
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By: Pfesser on August 8, 2011
at 7:21 PM
Oh right!!!! The US has the best system for the few people who can afford it.
How many people have no health insurance in the US now!!!!
Check out this information about the UK: When the study was done, they expected to get bad reviews – surprise. It was the opposite when looked out objectively.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/aug/07/nhs-among-most-efficient-health-services
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 7:06 PM
anon 5:59 pm –
“UK has one of the most cost effective health systems in the western world.
Maybe we could learn something?”
I would suggest you talk to people in the UK who actually have to *use* that system. Waiting times for elective procedures such as hip replacements (elective unless you need one, I guess…) have been published elsewhere, so I won’t go into that. Suffice it to say that we see those people over here paying out of their pockets to get procedures they have been denied or postponed for many months in the UK .
I would also like to know what your source is for “the most cost effective health system in the western world.” Cites, please..
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By: Pfesser on August 8, 2011
at 6:25 PM
Sorry babe, that would make me a Republican.
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 5:43 PM
You obviously have an axe to grind, go for it Noah.
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By: delurkergurl on August 8, 2011
at 5:33 PM
I’m very disappointed that President Obama didn’t call Congress back, all these problems….
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By: No One's Puppet on August 8, 2011
at 12:09 PM
I don’t know if FEMA is reacting to our economic problems or something else. They have denied help to our flooded counties. Iowa and Nebraska governors are protesting because the expense will approach Katrina levels, or so they say.
It is as silly to blame Reagan for our current deficits as it is to blame Johnson. They are all responsible, though some of the money had to be spent. It was not all frivilious spending.
alaskapi, I like your discussion of rural-urban issues. It is a serious problem. I understand their reasoning when the Corps of Engineers says this flood will cost them over a billion dollars so far without counting the rest. They say they will have a problem fixing the levies because the flood will last into September. Thus, they will be sure the cities are safe, but rural folks might need boats.
Thanks to for the link to the latest video. Our children tease me about my age too. If you google The Dandy Warhols-Sleep 2000-Thirteen Tales From urban bohemia on you tube up loaded by rayloflightcanada, you will see a pictorial history of the Mideast from the Balifour Declaration to Obama’s first Middle East conference.
Pfessor, I like westerns and am looking forward to watching “Cowboys and Aliens.”
NOP, if you are still around, what are some of your favorite songs?
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By: James on August 8, 2011
at 11:53 AM
seems strange that a lot of people want to blame Bush for Tarp when 171 Dem reps voted for it vs 91 Repubs…almost 3 to 1 dems reps voted for Tarp the Repubs 1 to 1 vote…..in the senate the Dems voted 38 to 9 for …
and to the people that don’t like fox i also get my news from Drudge and the Daily Show…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 8, 2011
at 11:45 AM
Robin Salvadori Allison many of your “facts” are opinions.My opinions don’t come from Fox News, MSNBC or any other cable network, because we don’t have cable.
I agree with some of your opinions and disagree with others. I have a problem with the following statements. Fighting a war without asking for general sacrifice has been done before with a change of details. Lyndon Johnson said we could pay for the Vietnam War and for his War on Poverty because our strong economy could buy both guns and butter. We later paid with high inflation.
The fiscally sound liberals were not fiscally sound, they were hyprocrites playing for political advantage. ( Not that the Republicans were any different.) They voted not to raise the debt ceiling for political advantage. As soon as they took Congress, their fiscally sound beliefs were hidden in Al Gore’s lock box.
Bush lowered taxes and told people to shop for good economic reasons. The recession which began during the last of Clinton’s administration worsened after 9/11. Bush was trying to stimulate the economy, and he succeeded.
Later, Obama and his allies said people needed to shop more to help the economy. His allies lowered a few taxes to encourage people to spend more.
Most tea party people know enough to understand that the government cannot create private sector jobs. They voted for less government spending because they believed changes in government would create conditions for higher private employment.
The Obama administration has also been making rules which interfere with economic development and job creation. It is one reason so many businesses are hoarding their money. The future is too uncertain.
I may have missed something, but I think I agree with the rest, especially the balanced budget amendment and partisanship. I will continue voting for Democrats half the time, but I will never vote for Obama, even if Daffy Duck is running.
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By: James on August 8, 2011
at 11:28 AM
No One’s Puppet, again you do yourself a disservice by making a blanket statement about a news organization then generalizing it to an entire group of people. It is that kind of thinking that has this nation involved in so much infighting.
Robin Salvadori Allison
“CEO compensation, income from market speculation, and Corporate profits are at all time highs,”
This statement both in context and out of context has nothing to do with anything. The market/, private sector, and share holders dictates what compensation is due these people as it should. When did making money become a crime?
“while income for all the people President Bush encouraged to go shopping has fallen.”
Sorry, but these two statements have nothing to do with one another. This is not the United States of Charity, or fair play, or equal shares for all. This is a capitalist society and a society of freedom. Freedom to go on vacation when you want. Freedom to go to school, get a degree, work for someone or start your own business. Freedom to work 2 or 3 jobs, not because you have to but because you want more than what you have. Or freedom to do none of these things, work sometimes, and settle for less.
All of these things are there for us, and it is not fair to lay it at the feet of business or the government to subsidize people’s choices to use their freedom as they see fit. Are there inadequacies? Absolutely. Does everyone have the exact same opportunity? Absolutely not. Is it the fault of businesses that it is this way? No. Is it the governments responsibility to legislate us into being even-steven for all? No.
Problems do exist in big business. Business is not in the business of ethics, it is in the business of making money. Capitalism is what made this country great. Unchecked Capitalism has a hand in where we are today. The biggest enemy of Capitalism is government regulation. The trick is finding the balance to make business act in an ethical manor, but not so much so as to prevent business from doing what it is intended to do. People need to stop vilifying the very thing that allows most of the things we enjoy in this country to exist.
“Fact: The stimulus blamed on Obama as not working was not large enough according to most mainstream economists. ”
The exact opposite is true. Of the countries that used money to stimulate their economy, those that did far smaller amounts, thus incurring far smaller debt, are doing much better than we are today, Canada is a perfect example.
“Problem is, with 9.5% real unemployment,”
Maybe in Texas, but where I live we passed 9.5% “real” unemployment more than 2 years ago and dream for it to be that low to this day.
“Fact: Jobs drive spending, which creates demand which creates more jobs. A paycheck does not care who cut it. Cutting the pay/benefits/hours of a government employee harms the economy just as badly as cutting a private.job”
Now you are confusing me. A Liberal using Conservative talking points. The fundamental flaw in your argument is stimulus created jobs are an expense. Tax payers are paying to create these jobs. This does not give the same benefit as a true job creator making permanent, sustainable jobs. As soon as that shovel ready job is finished, those people are back on the unemployment line.
“Until some of the trillions gets trickled down to the wallets of folks like me who will spend a windfall by buying new tires instead of used, or have a restaurant meal, there will be no incentive created by demand to grow the economy. ”
This entire, oddly worded paragraph is just talking about redistribution of wealth. I concede the dangers of a society becoming too economically top heavy. However, I have never seen any kind of redistribution of wealth that had a long term positive effects. I am not saying it is not possible, only that I am not smart enough to conceive of it. Welfare and its effect on people is a perfect example of the kind of dependance that is created when people are just “given” things. People HAVE to have a stake in creating or some way participating for it to not have a deleterious effect.
“Fact: A balanced budget amendment for the feds would mean that events like 9/11, Katrina, tornadoes, and recessions could not be dealt with.”
Sorry but this is just not the case, and this is why I strongly disagree with a previous paragraph of why you said you do not want a businessman in the Presidency. It is possible to run a government without inuring debt. It is the responsible thing to do to pay as you go. To decide as a nation what programs are important to us and pay for them. In doing this we can reduce a tremendous amount of waste. If we knew due to waste, that we might lose an important social program, then maybe more of us would hold our officials accountable to fix the problem. In reality we borrow to cover our shortfalls, never fixing what got us to that point in the first place. We need greater accountability in where our dollars are spent.
This post is very indicative of the problem in politics today. Liberals and Republicans alike seem to be concentrating on the symptoms and not the problems that created the symptoms. We spend all our time looking for who is at fault, rather than trying to figure out how we got here and how we are going to not only fix it, make sure we never find ourselves in this place again. Great, everything including the sun rising this morning is George W. Bush’s fault, & Obama played to many rounds of golf, great, it’s all his fault too. Now that we have that out of they way, how about we fix things eh?
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 11:24 AM
Robin’s tome doesn’t have one fact right. Not one…every one of them is a lie or a distortion of fact.
Sadly, it will be Robin that suffers the consequences of her mendacity.
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By: Anonymouse on August 8, 2011
at 11:08 AM
Bravo Robin Salvadori Allison! If some here would turn off Fox News, they would know all of this and the country would be the better for it.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 8, 2011
at 10:20 AM
Mageen,
When GW Bush took office. Approx 80% of furniture bought in the USA was made in the USA. Now, iless than 20% of furniture bought in the USA is made here. Jobs were sent overseas.
Pills: When GW Bush took office. Over 80% of drugs used in the USA were made in the USA. Today, 20% of the drugs bought in the USA are made in the USA. Jobs were sent overseas. (BTW: There was a rider in the Bush Prescription drug bill which said the US Govt could not negotiate for lower prices. The point they made was that we would get drugs from overseas.)
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 9:55 AM
Okay silly people, I am delurking.
Fact: When the wars were begun in the ME, they were off-budget for the express purpose of leaving Bush’s budget numbers looking good. Obama (as the fiscally sane liberals had cried in the wilderness about) put them back into the official budget. This made HIS first year budget numbers suck, even without the stimulus and Bush passed TARP.
Fact: This is the only time in US history that we went to war, and rather than sacrifice and higher taxes, our President called for lower taxes AND told people to go shopping on credit.
Fact: CEO compensation, income from market speculation, and Corporate profits are at all time highs, while income for all the people President Bush encouraged to go shopping has fallen. I know my income is higher this year than last, yet I have been forced to rely on food banks and my bank’s equivalent of payday loans to survive this year. I have also had to put off necessities like tires for the cars. I need a new lawn mower. I need new underwear. I make do while companies sit on trillions in cash. Not valid,as just personal crap, but I wanted to vetch.
Fact: The stimulus blamed on Obama as not working was not large enough according to most mainstream economists. It saved millions of jobs, and let many states balance their budgets. Notice what has happened since the republicans have blocked any further stimulating spending. Job and growth numbers have tanked.
Fact: Ronald Reagan put a “fix” in for social security. Precisely for today, when incoming funds don’t cover outlays. Problem is, with 9.5% real unemployment, the loss of tax monies from undocumented workers using fake ID (pure gravy for the tax system-they can’t collect a penny), and the stupid payroll holiday, there is less money coming in than usual. Couple that with fewer people earning close to the cap because the money in the economy is concentrated in the hands of hedge fund managers (15% tax, not subject to SS/Medicare), it trashed their projections. If payrolls had done the historical thing and risen with company profits through higher wages and benefits, we’d probably be fine. We also would have had a much milder recession. But only a dishonest person will scream about needing to cut benefits to SS when raising the income cap to reflect new realities (and creating some jobs) would do the job.
Fact: Polling shows the majority who voted for tea baggers (and yes, I refer to the radical true believers by the name they first chose for themselves because it smacks to me of an association with carpet baggers) voted for jobs.
Fact: Jobs drive spending, which creates demand which creates more jobs. A paycheck does not care who cut it. Cutting the pay/benefits/hours of a government employee harms the economy just as badly as cutting a private job. Often worse, because either services are cut (costing consumers more in time, gas, or money) or the replacement contractor costs pennies less but pays minimum wage with no benefits and fewer oversights. So replace 50 government jobs costing $20 bucks an hour with 50 jobs costing $10 plus someone’s time for oversight plus 10 bucks an hour profit and you saved nothing of tax payer’s money, as well as knocking those 50 jobs into the category of paying less tax in addition to using more social services.
Fact: The party of small government/no government keeps making laws that come between consumers and their doctors, between certain faiths/beliefs and their free exercise, and voters and their ability to exercise that right. Right now, I can find my SS card and have a driver’s license. When I’m 80, I won’t place bets on either. But an 80 year old in some places now needs a picture ID to vote. In one of those states, you need a picture ID to get a copy of your birth certificate. You need a BC to get the ID. This is the United States?
Fact: If one person making a million pays 5% tax, while a person making 100 grand pays 10%, the millionaire is paying 5x the taxes in raw dollars than the other. Saying that the person paying 83% of the total tax revenue is overtaxed due to this fact is either showing ignorance of mathematics, or complete dishonesty,
Fact: A balanced budget amendment for the feds would mean that events like 9/11, Katrina, tornadoes, and recessions could not be dealt with. It would throw catastrophic costs on to state budgets, most who have a BBA. It means much higher suffering/taxes on a state/local level. States are doing their slashing now that the stimulus is spent. Jobless numbers are rising fastest in the states that have slashed the most. Revenues fall, creating more slashing.
Fact: Until the wealth is more equitable in this country and the world, we will be trapped in the cycle of poor revenue=cuts=poorer revenue. Until some of the trillions gets trickled down to the wallets of folks like me who will spend a windfall by buying new tires instead of used, or have a restaurant meal, there will be no incentive created by demand to grow the economy. Selling short and making a million creates not one new job, unless it is hiring another immigrant to mow your grass.
Fact: Facts have a liberal bias, which is why only honest conservatives pay them any attention. As a young person, I was a lot more “conservative” than I am now. Since then, I’ve studied and learned a lot more about how the real world works and in most definitions am a flaming,unapologetic liberal/progressive.
Fact is, I have never seen so much partisan obstruction in Congress since Gerald Ford when it was the dems, which made this lifelong democrat go independent/republican for about 15 years. Bush and 9/11 set me straight, and I will never vote for another republican again, no matter how venal their opponent. These people are not only obstructionist but nuts. I pray to God that people are paying attention and slap them back to reality.
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By: Robin Salvadori Allison on August 8, 2011
at 9:52 AM
Anonymous, it wouldn’t be government that handles the business ethic thing. I have just simply seen enough of so-called ethical businessmen that I really don’t want to see one in the White House, especially when the only ethic is to buy out a company, dissolve it and ramp up the unemployment statistics in so doing, then reconstitute it, rehire some of the employees at minimum wages and no bennies. That is not job creation.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 8, 2011
at 9:21 AM
Great insight AlaskaPi Thanks
How we got to the deficit we now face!! Remember It started with Reagan. (He said he was going to balance the budget but did the opposite.)
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/just-reminder-as-to-how-we-got-here.html
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 8:46 AM
apropos of uaw’s remark about fences around places with 40k or more-
“Baker v. Carr and subsequent cases fundamentally altered the nature of political representation in America, requiring not just Tennessee…
but nearly every state to redistrict during the 1960s, often several times. This re-apportionment increased the political power of urban centers and limited the influence of more rural, conservative interests that had benefited from the Supreme Court ruling injusticiable such “political” questions as those of apportionment…”
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Baker_v._Carr
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Regardless of conservative, liberal and all shades betwixt and between the loss of voice for rural America has cost us all dearly.
This and subsequent cases were hailed as liberal victories by what I see as short sighted people.
In the almost 50 years since this ruling rural America has lost voice and participation all over this country. Some of the deepest problems we have here in Alaska flow from the outfall of this and similar rulings. To simply shrug and call isolated and unheard peoples dummies torches my shorts.
I do NOT hold with Tea Party ideals , actions, or any of it but to leave unsetttled vast questions and problems which face rural America has helped fuel this thing we see now.
There are decades of real and abiding problems going on all over. Folks just bail out of so called blighted urban centers and leave the poor to fend for themselves. In rural America , far too many just get told to move to the city and get a job… neither of these things really work- in city or rural areas, but we would rather deride the “culture of poverty” in the inner cities and the “dummy belt” of rural America… more fun and easier than fixing anything?
More coffee and deep breaths in order…
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By: alaskapi on August 8, 2011
at 8:13 AM
anon 6:42 –
To us Libertarians, that is exactly what the govt is supposed to do – enact rules to protect the weak from the strong.
The First Amendment provides the protection from Legislative corruption by exposing their work to the public. Of course the laws are so opaque and steeped in lawyer talk that that is very difficult.
It goes to show you the genius of the Constitution – purposely written in common language rather than legalese – so that ANYONE can understand it. Notice it is the laws, not the Constitution, that have us tied in knots. But enough about the IRS. (grin)
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By: pfesser53 on August 8, 2011
at 7:12 AM
Respectfully Mageen in Old Virginny, the government cannot manage to buy a toilet seat for $30,000, and you want them to attempt to legislate ethics in business Lets think this through. Our corrupt politicians, most of who ( Repub, and Dem alike) are are millionaires from these same businesses, legislating how ethical business will be conducted?
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 6:42 AM
COalmostNative . To say that Federal tax is at a historical low does not automatically implicate anyone one particular idea such as it being impossible to stimulate growth. We did not get into massive debt because of low taxes. We could be a 25% tax rate and still be neck deep in deficit spending.
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By: Anonymous on August 8, 2011
at 6:22 AM
Mageen –
Glad your husband is doing better. All best to you both.
My family and I just saw “Cowboys and Aliens.” We liked it a lot. Harrison Ford is, as always, awesome.
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By: pfesser53 on August 8, 2011
at 5:46 AM
Dear congenial folks on the porch, looks like I missed a really, really good conversation that jumped up in the past few days. Husband is coming off the effects of what we hope is the last chemo session so I took him to the movies. Saw “Rise of the Planet of the Apes”. Yup. All the rave reviews are right on. The film will be a point of controversy with certain populations, especially the ones who refuse to believe that we could have ever had any kind of even tangential descent from anything that looked simian. Shucks! I heard about the virus theory decades ago. Viruses have been around as long as dust has. A “good” virus that clicked with the DNA in a particular Early “Human” Type was supposed to have assisted the evolution into humankind over thousands of years. From what we know about viruses these days, theres a lot to that position. Audience got invested in this film and applauded at the end just the way audiences did at the end of “Forrest Gump”.
You can bet I am huge on healthcare. We are so far behind the rest of the developed world in this regard that it is embarassing. Yes, we do need to have laws against shipping jobs and industry off shore just to avoid taxes that multi-billion dollar corporations (in just one quarter of a year!) don’t want to pay. Yes, we do need to go for the revenue angle. This Cut-Go jazz is just that. A whole lot of jive. The ancient Greeks (the Golden Age of Greece) believed deeply in balance. Look at their architecture and so on. We need to get balanced. Reform? Yes. Reform the way business is done in this country. I bet you heard somewhere that the book on ethics in business is as thin as tissue paper. Start there. We can make this very, very large, unique and complicated country a solid constant front runner again. Just don’t reform it into GONE!
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 8, 2011
at 5:30 AM
COalmostnative….
just remember that it’s a lot easier to get $1 from a million people than $1,000,000 from 1 person…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 8, 2011
at 4:23 AM
Federal taxes are at a historical low – they are currently just 14.8 percent of GDP versus a postwar average of about 18.5 percent – so it’s implausible to argue that further tax cuts will stimulate growth. If we want to raise the long-term rate of growth, we have to increase saving and investment, channel more public investment into education and basic infrastructure, and promote scientific research and technological advancement. It takes a lot of time, but it works.
Countries willing to increase taxes to provide government services are going to do better- they evaluate to services they’re paying for, decide what’s needed- and develop more efficient ways to provide those services.
Change our health care system to provide more incentives for low-cost but effective treatment options, and do that do drugs, too. The focus should be on quality of care, not how many tests are ordered.
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By: COalmostNative on August 8, 2011
at 12:25 AM
Anonymous, sorry if I hurt your feelings. Again, I ask, are you advocating the mass release of criminals into society?
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 9:59 PM
You didn’t save any BBQ for us??!!!
sheesh.
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By: alaskapi on August 7, 2011
at 8:55 PM
just thought I’d add that there was 0 leftovers from 40 lbs of BBQ chicken…….
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By: uawtradesman on August 7, 2011
at 8:45 PM
are we getting a consensus on “Whack the MF’s instead of feeding them”….
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By: uawtradesman on August 7, 2011
at 8:42 PM
Stupid Anon: Here is some information about the current prison system and how it is spending our money hand over fist. In the end – profit is the motive in the prison system, not the safety of people or rehab of prisoners. 60 BILLION PER YEAR TODAY IS SPENT OF PRISONS!!! The cost of putting up prisoners has shot up since privatization.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/new-expose-tracks-alec-support-replacing-u
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 7:51 PM
Donna –
“Pfesser: You are right. I was wrong. My intentions are good but that was a slip. Thanks.”
Not sure what slip you mean there…I hadn’t actually noticed one.
“What about Rumours? Another great one–loved every track.”
God I had so many memorable experiences listening to that. When I was in grad school I came home tired to the point of exhaustion many nights – usually getting to my trailer (yep! trailer trash!) about 2 am. My wife would be in the bed and I would crash on the couch and drift away to sounds of “Dreams” – and “dreaming” of Stevie Nicks in that gauzy outfit. Ahhhhhhh……..we didn’t have much of a place to live but we had a decent stereo. Priorities, you know.
delurkergurl:
“As for the healthcare reform act, it is projected to save money, while giving coverage to far more people. Part of the program is designed to help social security and medicare so those programs can survive longer. Repeal it now and do it later means it won’t get done. In my opinion, that would be a mistake. Work with it, and fix the flaws, but don’t scrap it.”
I work in this field (medicine) every day; it is trivial to see where the problems are. The “projected to save money” is just more bogus government accounting. (I would like to see an amendment to the Constitution: “all government accounting shall be according to GAAP.” Think about it: have you ever seen any new service – not present before – that didn’t cost anything? How could new services save money?
My opinion: scrap it and start over And Do It Right This Time.
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By: pfesser53 on August 7, 2011
at 6:41 PM
Criminals already control the public.
These guys are above the law.
Herein lies public enemy number one.
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By: poolman on August 7, 2011
at 5:37 PM
So are you advocating a mass release of criminals into the public?
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 4:53 PM
Answers today:
-Increase the taxes on the wealthiest (Take back the Bush Tax Cuts)
-We are paying more per capita for health care than any other nation.
The health care reform act WILL REDUCE THE COST and provide care earlier so we don’t get hit with major bills for critical care.
-Cut back on wars. If we cannot afford something – bring our troops home and save 1 million per military personal in a war zone per year.
-Prisons: Since privatizing prisons, we are throwing everyone in prison for longer and longer times. Most are in prison for non-violent crimes. A lot of money is wasted there.
-GE AND MANY OTHER CORPORATIONS PAID NO TAXES and then got Tax rebates. We need to stop this practice.,
Overall: Making the sick, elderly, middle class and then giving tax breaks for sending jobs overseas needs to change.
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 4:38 PM
The problem with Obama care is we already had enough unsustainable programs. Obama care may save money in long run (I still think it won’t) but we won’t survive economically to get to that point. We need answers today, not in 10 years.
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 4:26 PM
Regardless of where the debt came from, it’s up to all of us to pay for it. All. Not just the middle class, poor, and elderly. We know a lot of debt came about as a result of the wars and prescription drug programs, and despite knowledge of those expenses there were massive tax cuts granted. This magnified the problem. Spending less doesn’t get rid of the previously incurred debt.
As for the healthcare reform act, it is projected to save money, while giving coverage to far more people. Part of the program is designed to help social security and medicare so those programs can survive longer. Repeal it now and do it later means it won’t get done. In my opinion, that would be a mistake. Work with it, and fix the flaws, but don’t scrap it.
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By: delurkergurl on August 7, 2011
at 4:07 PM
I got $20 internet bucks that says Anonymous = juneaujoe
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 3:47 PM
Tax Increases on the wealthy and corporations needs to be part of the revenue mix according to S&P. The Republicans, under direction of Teabaggers, has stopped the tax increases which brought on the downgrade.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2011/08/mainstream-media-ignores-sp-attack-republicans
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 3:33 PM
60% of the budget deficit is from GW Bush – time to be honest folks.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/howard-dean-tea-party-has-been-smoking-some-
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 3:23 PM
The TEPARTY DOWNGRADE!! Interesting but it makes sense. President Obama had a 5 Trillion deal which included increasing taxes and it was turned down because of the Teabaggers.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/john-kerry-tea-party-downgrade
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 2:36 PM
you get what you vote for
“Students return to Atlanta’s schools this week for what’s likely to be a tough year amid a cheating scandal that has forced thousands of students to get remedial tutoring because they were promoted based on forged test scores and left the district with a shortfall of up to $10 million.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHL_6XveohzAlAHCJ4lepo0MIwDw?docId=4b85507725f14373833ef616f7d667db
“On the state tests for high school students known as Regents exams, an analysis by The New York Times found a suspicious spike in the number of students who scored just over the passing bar, a statistically improbable result. The city has begun to audit those exams, and the state has changed a policy that had required teachers to re-grade Regents tests of students who came close to passing.”
http://www.freep.com/article/20110727/NEWS06/107270396/Survey-Nearly-30-Michigan-teachers-report-pressure-cheat
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By: uawtradesman on August 7, 2011
at 10:46 AM
The DUMMY BELT!!
IMHO I’d just put a fence around the cities(over 40,000 pop.)
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By: uawtradesman on August 7, 2011
at 10:21 AM
http://frozengrin.blogspot.com/2011/07/head-shots.html
back at ya uaw 🙂
now, I really gotta go to work
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By: alaskapi on August 7, 2011
at 10:18 AM
a little humor….
http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/permalink.asp?artist=payne&date=110806
http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/permalink.asp?artist=asay&date=110805
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By: uawtradesman on August 7, 2011
at 10:07 AM
James –
Dandy Warhols are interesting… will listen some more.
Son teases me that I’m too old for listening to these guys but they fascinate me
Gotta go to work
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By: alaskapi on August 7, 2011
at 9:57 AM
The DUMMY BELT!! There is the Bible Belt, the Rust Belt, etc. How about the DUMMY BELT. Interesting concept, I like the statistics which go into making the Dummy Belt.
http://beeryblog.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/americas-dummy-belt/
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 9:38 AM
Yes, definitely the Rumors album. It was one of their best.
Fleetwood Mac was also good when they were an English blues band. I heard them sing “Black Magic Woman” in England.
alsakpi, I hadn’t looked at Friedman and Keynes as a hybrid. I don’t think Keynes would recognize what others have done to his economic theories. In the words of Waylon Jennings “would old Keynes have done it this way?”
I said all of our leaders are thieves and knaves for dramatic effect. You are probably right, and we do need different points of view, but I still regard most of them as people who want power and who’s motives are less than altruisitc. Maybe you can convince me to believe differently as I once did.
Have you ever heard of the Dandy Warhols? They are a Portland band who attracted a following among college students around ten years ago and who are still popular in Europe.
If you have time, maybe you could google Dandy Warhols “Bohemian Like You” Live at Glastonbury 2002, you tube. I like them. A friend doesn’t. What do you think?
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By: James on August 7, 2011
at 9:36 AM
oops got Mr bromley in there twice… too busy rocking out to Fred… sigh
Got to spend a day around and with him once- when he did a concert here. Amazing person.
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By: alaskapi on August 7, 2011
at 9:06 AM
Pfesser-
Mr Friedman , to some extent, was the architect of policies which got us where we are now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman
A rather large and peculiar amount of time is still spent arguing his argument againt Keynes’ ideas when in reality many of Friedman’s notions are now part of the economic fabric of thought and action- and have been for some time.
We would be wise to look at the share his ideas have in the messes we have gotten ourselves into lately.
The argument at the wiki page that a peculiar blend of Friedman/Keynes was in action at the beginning and mid-point of this last great mess is a good one- because it certainly was a hybrid.
Click to access italy.pdf
This gent has done a lot of work in fish economics amongst other things and makes some arguments which are somewhat different than what we are so used to now.
Click to access italy.pdf
James- I think it is too easy to ascribe the failure of Congress to personal gain in power and prestige, though it certainly has a place in the problems.
The divorce between so many Americans and the posturers in Congress is obvious but we sent them there for whatever reasons we did. I have been talking a lot recently to young men who do not vote and when I have time will share some of what they think and feel.
At some level we all agree there is a broken-ness to what we are doing now which must be fixed. I would argue that each main POV has something valuable to add to solutions but that the desire to overthrow that which we have made such a mess of has not evolved beyond finger pointing and tearing at each other.
Anony of the checkbook and credit card analogy- that is a precarious argument given that far too many live beyond their daily means and accept it as a norm. Assuming that only those who do live within their means are correct falls into a messy mess when you look at the way business solicits funds via speculation and all and we accept and expect that.
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By: alaskapi on August 7, 2011
at 9:03 AM
What about Rumours? Another great one–loved every track.
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By: Donna on August 7, 2011
at 8:39 AM
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/07/31/the_debt_crisis/
Pretty darn good information about how the debt crisis evolved over time…
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By: Elsie on August 7, 2011
at 8:32 AM
THE TEAPARTY – Teabagging America. A good video by DC Douglas
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/wisconsinites-drown-scott-walker-out-at.html
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 8:22 AM
The WAR ON UNIONS
A moment of clarity. Quite good. A short video
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/defending-civil-liberties/the-war-against-labor-.html
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By: Anonymous on August 7, 2011
at 8:11 AM
I like the Tusk video too. The marching band looks so young and earnest. Now they are in their fifties telling stories of the old days when they got to be in a video.
We can’t forget Cold Play. That piano riff in Clocks is one of the best ever.
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By: James on August 7, 2011
at 7:27 AM
Donna, you had better be careful. I agree with you once again. If this goes on, people will start to talk…
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By: James on August 7, 2011
at 7:22 AM
NOP, I and a lot of other people agree our political system is broken. Here is why, our leaders are like two fighters bouncing about the ring and looking for an advantage. They care only for themselves.
In making the deficit agreement, they say in effect, we cannot do what is needed because the voters would throw us out of office, and our portfolios might suffer. Lets put the blame on others. We will create a commission and set triggers so horrible to the country that we can blame it on the triggers. Life will go on for us.
Following the music theme, Carolina Liar sang what I told the Vet Center many years ago. “Save me I’m lost. I’ll pay any cost. Save me…Show me what I’m looking for…”
The counselor was a Vietnam combat veteran, and when I told what had happened, he said ” why did you do it?” “you could have stayed out of it.” It made me mad. Here was a man I respected telling me I should have taken the easy way out. It was wrong. He was a man much braver than I telling me to in effect to be a coward.
I was the coward in ways he didn’t understand. I had do what I did, because I knew that when I turned fifty, I would not have survived the reproachful eyes staring at me in the mirror. The men I helped eliminate were better than the trash “serving” us in Congress. Years ago, I told our representative to his face that a decision was less than courageous. He sent me a G///d form letter thanking me for my support.
Our system is not broken. Mendacious cowards infest the halls of Congress. that is the problem. It won’t change because they give us things we want and soon need. I should be mad or scared, but it isn’t worth the effort.
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By: James on August 7, 2011
at 7:19 AM
Pfesser: You are right. I was wrong. My intentions are good but that was a slip. Thanks.
As for Tusk, you are so right.
The Perry rally scares the crap out of me. Particularly because it was funded by a group that believes that the First Amendment only applies to Christians.
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By: Donna on August 7, 2011
at 6:51 AM
Anonymous, number one or two, Elsie and I in response to her quoted deficite figures too. They show Bush collected more than Obama so far, but it took him eight years and much of the later spending was an attempt to save our economy when it crashed. Obama and others supported the emergency spending.
Its the tragectory. Spending instituted by Bush and especially Obama sends our projected deficit to stratispheric levels for years. We cannot survive in our current form with such outlays. It serves no purpose to play the blame game. You do what you have to do to fix the problem. In this case, fire the people who have failed us.
Al quiada declared war against the West during the Clinton years. Terroristic attacks and deaths were a regular feature of those years. Neither Bush or Clinton took them seriously enough. After 9/11 we all did. The invasion of Afghanistan ended the status quo and ended large scale terrorist attacks for awhile.
I have mixed feelings about Iraq. Our invasion did change the dynamic.
You are not the first to blame the deficit on our wars. Are you saying we should have stayed home and ignored the status quo? Or are you saying we should have fought the wars but not let them be “unfunded?” What do you mean by “unfunded?” The wars were budgeted separately and helped lower our apparent deficit. Are you saying we have not paid for them, and all of our the people and companies who provided services are still waiting for their money? Or are you saying we bought the wars with borrowed money? If so, you can say most of our entitlement programs are unfunded, for the same reason. Please enlighten us.
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By: James on August 7, 2011
at 6:42 AM
Keep beating that Bush horse Anonymous, 3 years of beating it might not be dead yet.
IMO we need to get out of Obama care. We lived this long without it. Lets cut that spending, get our economy back in order and revisit the subject when it makes sense. Save social security and shore up medicare for now.
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 11:32 PM
Here is a breakdown of the deficit!!!! Guess what – Most of the debt came from Repubicans!!!!! Tax cuts, Unfunded Wars, Unfunded Prescription drugs (and govt not allowed to negotiate for lower prices.) That is a lot of debt by Republicans!!! and then President Obama took office and forced into extending the Bush Tax Cuts,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/05/economic-meltdown-villain-george-w-bush-s-staggering-debt-numbers.html
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 10:23 PM
Two unfunded wars plus little side military actions cost a lot for sure.
Putting 1 in 10 people in prison is not cheap either. We need to stop the Bush Tax cuts to the wealthy if we have any chance of bringing down the deficit. It would also help to stop a war or two.
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 10:08 PM
“I liked “Tusk” by Fleetwood Mac”
James – That album got panned by the critics but I absolutely loved it, especially the song Tusk itself. Probably the beat. Just sets me free…LOL. The Best of Fleetwood Mac is the only CD I own that I like absolutely every song on it. Mamas and Papas Greatest Hits would probably come in second in that category.
Donna – I may or may not understand your POV but it seems to me that if there are old wounds to be healed – as much as that is possible – the process might start by discussion an an area where everyone agrees, such as music. Carry on; we will follow your lead.
delurkergurl, (I think): “What bothers me is that it’s an intentionally created crisis that’s leading to an on-purpose recession and a negative view of our nation on the global scene.”
The reason IMHO that the world has a negative view of us and that our credit rating was cut is that both are appropriate.
I read about 1-1/2 hours every morning before work, usually on one subject until I get tired of it. I have spent the last six months’ mornings reading economics. I am currently reading “Free to Choose” by Milton Friedman and his wife, whose name escapes me now. He perfectly describes in the book what happens when the government hasn’t the gonads to increase revenue by tax increases and instead just prints money. (“The Bernank” calls it quantitative easing, which is code for “printing a ton of money.”)
Friedman likens irresponsible money-printing to the drunk who enjoys his booze and then wakes up with a hangover, which he decides to treat with the hair_of_the_dog_that_bit_him, which is to say, more booze. When they fire up the printing presses, good times ensue, then inflation, followed by recession and high unemployment. If they try the hair of the dog and print even more money (as in Quantitative Easing # 2), it just gets worse, with more inflation and more unemployment, which is precisely where we are now, and where we are heading. You cannot repeal the basic laws of economics.
You can’t believe a word the govt says about inflation, since their numbers are bogus and they leave out things they don’t want to report. What you do is look at the price of gold. If you have done that recently, I don’t need to say more. Inflation is here, high unemployment is here, recession is here, and it is all because of “quantitative easing” by gutless politicians – both Dems and Republicans. If Rick Perry weren’t such a lunatic religious nutcase Dominionist, I’d say elect HIM. At least he understands basic economics.
On that front, my wife watched much of the Rick Perry “Day of Prayer” today. She was very disturbed by what she saw. Did anybody else see it?
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By: pfesser53 on August 6, 2011
at 10:00 PM
some people apparently missed it…..
our debt is only going to rise to 26.3 trillion instead of 28.8 trillion…..yes a 2.5 trillion cut but also a 12 trillion increase…..
from the man you can trust…
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-3-2011/dealageddon–a-heartbreaking-work-of-staggering-compromise—the-super-committee
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By: uawtradesman on August 6, 2011
at 9:01 PM
Hey Stupid Anonymous 4:58: Just getting important and informative links out!!!! Here is another one!!!!! It is a good website though!!! Thanks for the compliment!
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS – That is what got Republicans elected the last election, now it is time for them to actually push JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/krugman-time-get-serious-about-our-ec
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 8:18 PM
The lack of grammar in “anonymous” 4:58’s post puts one in mind of someone who supposedly had left this blog.
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By: Donna on August 6, 2011
at 5:04 PM
Anon, sounds like your trying to driving traffic to a website.
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 4:58 PM
Who bet a BILLION DOLLARS on S & P down grading the credit rating? Who is making money off the down grade? Time to find out and name names. We generally find out that it was a money maker by the chosen few.
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/economic-terrorism-take-two
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 4:06 PM
The Republicans and ALEC have this great idea! Increase the number of people in prison for non weapon charges (drugs) and then have them do the work of Union Workers. (They are as cheap as workers in China but without shipping costs.) Cute ALEC AND REPUBLICAN APPROVED RIP OFF!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/new-expose-tracks-alec-support-replacing-u
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 3:57 PM
Can we Start talking about Climate Change Yet?
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/texas-drought-continues-massive-strai
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 3:47 PM
Nearly everywhere I went today I heard about Standard & Poor’s down-rating of the credit of this country. In general, no one could quite believe it. It sounded to most people like S&P was a strange, spoiled child. As for me, where the bleep was this bunch when for 8 years the Republicans were chanting their mantra of “Deficits don’t matter.” My late sainted mother did not like S&P. She had an expression that went like this, “they just don’t smell right.” The older I get the more I appreciate that my mother was just about always right!!!!
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 6, 2011
at 3:44 PM
That’s true anonymous. The government has a poor history for us to trust it with our future. Margaret Thatcher, I think said the British socialist government spends other people’s money until its gone.
I agree NOP, the Wisconsin recall elections might be a game changer.
Yes, Poolman it is down to we the people. A royal flush is coming, and so far, we don’t know who will be swept away.
I’ve enjoyed the discussion, and I have finished another computer project.
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 3:00 PM
Politics as usual. That is our reality.
Until we, the people change it.
As individuals we can’t, as a people we can.
Timing’s right for a royal flush…
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By: poolman on August 6, 2011
at 2:18 PM
Amazing, it took moments to go from the business of governing back to campaigning and blaming, next it will be perpetual elections, starting next Tuesday in Wisconsin. Now that might be a game changer and predictor of the 2012 elections.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 6, 2011
at 1:22 PM
The difference being, you were taking a risk with your things, your life. The government, congress, is taking risks with all our futures, and has a history of doing very poorly.
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 1:02 PM
Anonymous, its embarrassing to admit, but my wife and I played with credit cards. Near the end of the farm depression we lost a crop. The crop insurance check was missing and the insurance company didn’t find it until the middle of the summer, so we had no money for our $6,000 in property taxes.
We paid with a credit card under an introductory zero interest policy. We rolled it over to another low interest card before interest was due. We paid the card company after the insurance check came.
A strange thing happened. Credit card companies loved us and increased our loan limit. We borrowed some of our money from credit card companies because it was cheaper than borrowing at the bank. Borrowing operating capital that way put us in the middle of a ponzi scheme. Sometimes, we paid the bank in credit card money. We had to watch our pennies daily to avoid a trap which would take us under. We always projected income and expenses in different scenarios so we were always able to pay our bills. It came at some sacrifice, but we kept and paid for three farms.
I believe our government is doing what we did. It juggles money, but unlike us our government fools itself into believing it has paid its bills.
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 12:52 PM
NOP, of course I believe in paying my bills. For that reason, my wife and I have a very good credit rating.
Raising the deficit ceiling has usually been pro- forma, though Democrats tried to politicize it when many, including Obama voted against raising the ceiling when Bush was president
.I’m not turning this into a blame game, our problems are long standing and only now are the chickens beginning to come home to roost. They didn’t just happen. I agree they all failed, it is important to know how . The history is documented.
This time Congress had members who were “ordered” to reduce spending and told if they didn’t do their jobs, they needed to pack their bags. They forced the issue and threatened to vote against raising the cap unless real cuts were made in the budget. Otherwise the vote would have been relatively uneventful.
Democrats and moderate Republicans found it ideologically and politically difficult to find programs to cut. The issue was not default. We had enough money from government inflows to meet current obligations. Negotiaters knew that. Their goal was to avoid a shutdown which would have adversly affected the economy. Some Tea Party types were willing to go over the edge because they feared more for the future than a short term shut down.
The real issue was downgrading our securities, and no one told us that. If big media had done its job and told us that $4 billion was the benchmark and that any deal which fell short of it would cause a downgrade, it would have altered perceptions and incentives. Maybe then the politicians would have made some decisions with less fear of demagogery.
I admire Truman too. Yes, the buck stops with the president, but in fairness to Obama he was only the last in a long line of players. He was foolish enough to spend some really big sums of money at the wrong time. I believe he should not seek a second term.
Yes, this is an embarrassment. It is awful to have a government as broken as ours, but so far we are the biggest game in town. I believe our dollar rose late last week because we were becoming a refuge for Euros fearing an even bigger melt down over there. The Chinese rant and complain, but where are they going to invest their extra money?
Otherwise, we will probably have higher interest rates and the economy will be stuck in doldrums. The big crash is coming, just not yet in my opinion. If I indulge in the blame game, I blame the media.
its awful for me to say I don’t trust my own government, but I don’t. Troops are coming home, but I will believe they will all be gone from Iraq when I see it. Totally irrational on my part.
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 12:35 PM
James, like the Tea Party, you apparently don’t realize raising the debt limit means paying your bills.
It is sad but there are many people who believe this. Can you imagine if in your own life, when a bill came due, you kept turning to credit cards, and fooled yourself into believing, you were paying your bills?
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 12:05 PM
James, like the Tea Party, you apparently don’t realize raising the debt limit means paying your bills, perhaps we should change the name to “pay your credit card bill or pay a higher interest rate, or be refused further credit.” The Constitution requires that we pay our debts (without question); they all failed on this one, like I said, we are darn lucky we only losing one star. Do you think our creditors are going to put up with this silly business any longer, that was the most embarrassing display of broken government ever, so don’t you turn it into another political blame game. They all failed, but ultimately “the buck stops” with the President (big admirer of President Truman here).
And by the way, we are coming out of Iraq, our military are turning in their military and desert equipment when they arrive in the States, instead of leaving it for the next guy in Iraq now, because there will be no next guy.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 6, 2011
at 11:46 AM
NOP, we have different opinions. Ask a Tea Partier, and he/she will say the same thing about the liberals and moderate Republicans you did. The libs and mods sold them out.
Someone said the same on Omaha talk radio yesterday. The host said that was odd. His e box was full of Democrats saying they had lost.
Yes, brinksmanship is dangerous. Obama steped to the edge too. He and Boenher were on the verge of an agreement which included billions of new taxes. Obama raised the stakes with a demand for more taxes, and the Speaker left the room.
As I noted before, both sides are trapped in prisons, and until they regard this as a problem worthy of their sacrificing their careers if necessary, we will live with it until circumstances force us to throw Grandma over a cliff.
Today, as an investor I would sit on my money out of fear of the unknown. Many hoarding their money. You are right about that.
Our children were little terrors too, but they got tired of going to “jail” on the couch. These people are not children, but adults who pay taxes. Both sides need to work together, and name calling only hardens positions and creates hostility.
I agree, we are lucky to have lost only one star. We need another Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neil.
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 11:30 AM
James, I raised three pretty good kids, as two-year-olds they all had a temper tantrum, I didn’t negotiate with them (after all, they were domestic terrorists). After one try each, they knew I would simply walk away from and ignore them; it wasn’t worth their while to try it again. The Tea Party will try again, because the Republicans and now the President have caved to their will. Brinkmanship is dangerous, as an investor, would you want to invest in a country ruled by the whims of two-year-olds? I fault Obama for caving to them instead of going with the Fourteen Amendment solution. I think we are darn lucky we only lost one star, at least so far.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 6, 2011
at 11:08 AM
You should like this Poolman.
From Hot Air “The media wants to blame the Tea Party, but it wants to solve the actual problem–overspending and overcommitment to entitlement programs. The Tea Party wants to blame the Obama administration and it deserves some blame for refusing to address the real structural problems of the US fiscal condition. But that fiscal structure far predates Barack Obama, … Congresses and White Houses of both parties have done little to address the real problems in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
Why? Because as soon as people try to do so, demagogues accuse them of wanting to push Grandma over a cliff. Voters respond by punishing the reformers and rewarding the demagogues. If we collectively want to blame someone we collectively should be looking in a mirror.”
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 11:03 AM
Agreed. Further, politics is the problem, in that it gives us the illusion of black and white, right and wrong, left and right. In reality we need both left and right in addition to total transparency in our government. Until we get there, there will always be a scapegoat on which to blame our collective woes…
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By: poolman on August 6, 2011
at 10:51 AM
New York Times columnist Joe Nocera wrote “… comparing the Tea Party Repubicans to terrorists. The words I chose were intemporate and offensive to many, and I have been roundly criticised.
. I was a hyporite …when on other occasions I’ve called for more civil politics… I apologize. “
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 10:22 AM
No One’s Puppet , I think that is a purposeful manipulation on the same level as delurkergurl. They are no more domestic enemies than you or I. They are ideologically different, nothing more. You discredit yourself trying to put them in an obviously false light.
Additional taxation is a band-aid at best. Whatever % of tax increase would make you happy, 20-25% right off the top would go to waste and personal pet projects. We need to clean house, make the government 100% accountable for every penny of OUR money they spend and rebuild from the ground up .If we don’t fix what got us here in the fist place we are just spinning our wheels.
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 10:15 AM
NOP, “domestic enemies is a little strong. The Tea Party people are merely people with another point of view.
As alaskapi and I agreed earlier, the press failed to research Obama and we got who someone we created in our own image. Realty bites.
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 10:04 AM
Juneau Joe, agreed on a Donner Party, you can’t be reasonable with the Tea Party, have to either go through them or around them, then bite them in the butt.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 6, 2011
at 10:04 AM
delurkergurl years ago, the government decided they needed to stop the Indians from waging wars against each other and for harassing a wave of Mormon and other immigrants. They bribed and forced the Indians to agree to stop fighting and to accept government help in return for life on reservations.
The Indians grudgingly agreed, but a band of Indian braves killed and ate a Mormon’s cow. The Indians offered to pay for another cow, but the Mormon would not be molified. He wanted the wrong doers punished. The government tried to make peace with both sides, but it failed.
Finally they sent a band of cavalry to bring the offending braves to jail. The commander had no choice because his orders were clear. He had to bring the Indians back or he would be charged with insobornination. He was locked in a prison with no choice in how to act.
The Indian chief lived in another prison. He had to stay firm or he would lose status with his followers. Both men tried to find some common ground for compromise, but circumstances forbade it. Someone fired a rifle, and the battle ended with all of the soldiers dead as the last phase of the Indian wars began.
Our politicians were locked in a similar prison. The Tea Party legislators went to Congress for one purpose, to lower the deficit. They knew what would happen if they refused to stand up for the values of the people who voted them there. Likewise, Democrats knew people on the left would condemn them if they gave away much. As it was both sides caught abuse for their inability to hold firm. Now we are stuck with a festering problem.
On our current path, our interest payments will exceed our military budget by 2020.
We need politicians willing to sacrifice their careers and pensions to change how we do things. Don’t hold your breath.
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 9:58 AM
In my opinion, the moment President Obama negotiated on the Tea Party’s terms to secure their and the Republican;s vote to raise the debt limit, my respect was lost. Personally I expected the man who ordered bin Laden death and refused to deal with pirates, to refuse to negotiate with “domestic enemies.”
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By: No One's Puppet on August 6, 2011
at 9:48 AM
Well, at least John Boehner got 98% of what he wanted and he’s happy. That’s what’s most important. Is it now time to round up everyone living at or below the poverty level, take them to the ritziest neighborhood in town, drop them on the big, beautiful front lawns and say “ok, Job Creators, you got your tax breaks and cuts, at the expense of the full faith and credit of the USA, now where are the jobs you’re supposed to be creating?”
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By: HoneyJorumples on August 6, 2011
at 9:39 AM
Anonymous, you might be right but the flood is coloring my views. We face a crisis and we all need to work together to survive. I am also trying to be diplomatic. I agree what delurkergurl did, but she actually believes it.
I cited figures which show that tax increases often bring in less revenue than expected. They also hurt employment because they take money from the private economy and fail to send as much back as they took. Our leaders have to be very careful about how to increase taxes, especially now.
We can’t just leave Iraq or Afganastan. They are like a mortgage. We are stuck with them for years. Many people would die if we suddenly abandoned them. Cutting them loose would be nice, but it is a pipe dream.
Connie Mack, I think proposed that we take a penny of every dollar from every government program. Next year, we take another penny and so on. That might work.
Donner Party? Why stop with the Tea Party? How about fried or baked Democrat, or maybe boiled with dumplings? Mmmm Mmmm good!
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 9:37 AM
You’re right, I did give a very one-sided biased view. I’m angry that an administrative clean-vote issue was screwed up into having massive consequences and causing fear for everyone. Fear leads to more crappy decision making. I need someone to blame. If any of those blowhards were serious about the debt, then revenues should have NEVER been off the table. I’m also angry about the amount of lying that’s happening about where the debt came from. Everything that needs doing is being obstructed or watered down, and then when it fails it’s Obama’s fault. It’s twisted.
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By: delurkergurl on August 6, 2011
at 9:23 AM
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/bill-mahers-new-rule-is-that-left-needs.html
The link for NEW RULES
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By: Richard L Brisco on August 6, 2011
at 9:22 AM
NEW RULES – THE DONNER PARTY! How the Dems should deal with the Teabaggers.
Very good
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By: juneaujoe on August 6, 2011
at 9:01 AM
Thanks Helen. We need you wisdom.
We need to undo the Bush tax cuts. It would also be great to pull out of Iraq and/or Afghanistan – the wars put on credit cards which drove our debt up.
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By: juneaujoe on August 6, 2011
at 8:54 AM
I disagree James, I think it is time to point fingers. Neither side seems to have the countries best interest at heart. Neither side is honest. delurkergurl completely manipulated the facts about Obama’s budget saying it was the Republicans fault, when neither side would vote for it. I am sure there are just as many misrepresentations on the Republican side. Point being none of them are looking out for us. Seems to me to be a game of get the public to pick a side, then we all duke it out, make them concentrate on the fight while we live it up behind the scenes. People need to realize, they don’t HAVE to be a R or D. It is far past time we send a message to these people. Congress needs to stop being the place where people go to become rich.
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 8:03 AM
The 6:37Am anon post was mine. The computer said it didn’t go through, so I repeated myself.
Another analogy is the Indianapolis 500. Danica Patrick led the race through luck and good stragedy, but her car was low on fuel and not as fast as several other drivers. Though she led, the other driver’s eventually passed her.
A four trillion dollar cut in spending sounds like a lot, but it isn’t enough. Our politicians won’t reduce our spending because we won’t let them, so we look over ours shoulders like Dannica Patrick as our fate gains on us.
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 7:05 AM
This is an unwitting, not intentional fiscal crisis of the same order as our flood. An official said this week that its cost will rival Katrina’s. An Omaha talk show host compared the two this way.
Suppose the Corps of Engineers says we will buy pumps and take a trillion gallons of water from the river. We don’t know where it will go, and we don’t have the pumps yet, but a special committee will decide soon. Meanwhile we will be sending another seven trillion gallons of water down river during the next ten months.
We may all have to pay more taxes, if for no other reason that to make government consumers pay attention. Even the low income people who escape the Internal Revenue Service need to be involved. Everyone, should pay something, even if it is only five or ten dollars. The current tax proposals will hurt job creation even more, and total revenue may fall. History supports my view.
S&P wrote that they have no opinion on our spending and taxation. They believe the our representatives have no stomach for making tough decisions which will control our spending.
I agree with Mageen. Too many of us want other programs but ours cut.
Both sides are to blame, but though I agree with anon, that liberals gave us the final straw, this is not the time to cast blame.
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By: James on August 6, 2011
at 6:55 AM
If a person had a huge credit card debt, would you tell him to address it by only cutting expenses? Heck no! You’d tell him he also needs to make some more money.
In an ideal world this is fine advice. But how many of us out there working 2 jobs just to get by can go out and earn more money anytime we like?
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 6:48 AM
As I understood it delurkergurl 100% of the Democrats rejected that bill as well yes?
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 6:46 AM
I agree, AlaskaPi. Obama’s proposal was $4 trillion, which is what the credit agencies wanted to see. But it included revenue increases so the Republicans rejected it.
If a person had a huge credit card debt, would you tell him to address it by only cutting expenses? Heck no! You’d tell him he also needs to make some more money.
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By: delurkergurl on August 6, 2011
at 6:37 AM
delurkergurl, I agree with much of what you wrote, except for your word “intentionally”. “Unwittingly” seems more appropriate to me. It also applies to “on-purpose recession.” Nobody wants a recession.
The Omaha World Herald wrote that our flood will cost the Corps of Engineers a billion dollars, and since we are still in flood the cost rises every day. This doesn’t include any other costs. An official said the total cost will be in Hurricane Katrina territory.
Like our flood our fiscal problem was unwittingly caused by the government. Right and left helped cause our short fall, but the left dropped the final straw during the past several years. As anonymous wrote, it looks as if the Republicans were right. Look at the record. As people hostile to the Corps have said, this is not the time to cast blame. We must work together to survive.
An Omaha talk show host compared the flood and our economic problems this way. Suppose the Corps of Engineers says, we have a plan to pump a trillion gallons of water from the river and send it somewhere else. We don’t know where it will go, or where we will put the pumps, but trust us, we will decide soon.
It will be better after we remove the trillion gallons, but we will be sending another seven trillion gallons of water down stream in the next ten months. That is what is happening to our country.
Standard and Poor wrote “we maintain our view that the US net general government debt burden (all levels of government combined, excluding liquid financial assets) will likely continue to grow.”
“Standard & Poor takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the US’s finances on a sustainable footing.”
A major concern for them is entitlement spending in Social Security, Medicare and other programs.
One effect will be the government will pay us more interest on our savings bonds.
Mageen, I agree that people tend to say “cut other people’s benefits, but I need mine.”
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By: Anonymous on August 6, 2011
at 6:37 AM
delurker-
The refusal to increase taxes is as much a part of this mess as anything. Refusing to increase revenue means/meant all/ most of the debt reduction comes in cuts.
While we wait to hear if S&P really somehow missed a couple trillion in cuts/debt reduction in their analysis, folks might want to look around their own backyards .
How much is getting cut, referring to Mageen’s comment above, because we don’t know what is at stake or it affects people we don’t know?
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By: alaskapi on August 6, 2011
at 5:57 AM
In the grand scheme of things, the S&P rating alone might not mean much financially unless others decide to follow. What bothers me is that it’s an intentionally created crisis that’s leading to an on-purpose recession and a negative view of our nation on the global scene. Deficit reduction needs attention but it all didn’t have to happen this way. I blame the right for the intentional wound, but both sides need to get a whole lot better at this. Imagine if there were a viable 3rd party? Nothing would ever get done!
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By: delurkergurl on August 6, 2011
at 5:29 AM
As for all those spending cuts that the Republicans (this includes the Teahadists) were demanding and did not get, take a good look at what might have been targetted. There are those among the above-mentioned that believe our government should have an extremely limited social contract with the governed. Under that belief, this country could easily end up looking like a banana republic known only for its military dictators. Ask the same people if they intend to cut NIH. Don’t be surprised if you get a blank stare. You wouldn’t believe how many people in this country have never heard of the National Institutes of Health or have only the foggiest notion about it, namely, that it is a privately funded and operated institution. Then ask them if they personally know of anyone with a critical, chronic or terminal disease. I bet my last penny (I am out of all the other coins) that NIH does research on all three types with the goal of saving lives. The very people who demand such governmental excision and amputation all in the name of no taxes will be the very ones who will likely find their own lives in the balance without the work done at NIH, paid for by their taxes. So Standard & Poor and their rating just ain’t what its cracked up to be.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 6, 2011
at 3:53 AM
Shelby, did we watch the same movie tonight?
Anon, that’s the story from before the correction.
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By: Delurkergurl on August 5, 2011
at 9:59 PM
Drink your juice
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By: Shelby on August 5, 2011
at 9:45 PM
Am I missing something? The news from the S&B is that we were downgraded because the congress did not cut enough spending. My understanding is that the Republicans wanted a lot more spending cuts and were pushing for far more, and were upset that they didn’t get more. It sounds to me like the Republicans were right.
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By: Anonymous on August 5, 2011
at 8:30 PM
S&B just cut our rating (because the Republicans were willing to put our credit rating on the table, TYVM). Impact is TBD.
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By: delurkergurl on August 5, 2011
at 6:35 PM
Chris Matthews just made an interesting comment. He pretty much dared the administration to move on the unemployment by working on our crumbling infrastructure. When will fixing bridges and roads be less expensive than now? He said it’s better to be yelled at for doing something than for doing nothing. (I’m paraphrasing.) Yep, I agree. When we get through this recession, we’ll still have crumbling infrastructure, and then how will we afford to fix it? Higher interest rates, higher prices… it’s like the stock market. You don’t buy HIGH. You buy low and sell high!
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By: delurkergurl on August 5, 2011
at 6:02 PM
Shhhhhhh……….. just enjoy it.
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By: delurkergurl on August 5, 2011
at 4:45 PM
Really?? Noah took his ball and went home? Really?
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By: Linda on August 5, 2011
at 3:57 PM
I keep reading that you do not hate, that you respect others, –Mr Sea
In all fairness I don’t see any reference to hate or respect. I see posts on not instigating fights. Apples and oranges IMO.
Oh and thanks to you and others for your service. Only lasted 6 years myself. My knees/feet & steel decks couldn’t get along. Quite an accomplishment 20 years.
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By: Anonymous on August 5, 2011
at 2:35 PM
I LOVE MARGARET & HELEN!!!!!!!!
🙂
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By: Hannah on August 5, 2011
at 2:22 PM
I’ll believe it when I see it but isn’t the atmosphere much better around here since noah has left?
Just saying. Good riddance…
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By: bridgid on August 5, 2011
at 2:21 PM
Way to go, MrSea! Also, thank you for your service!!
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By: John on August 5, 2011
at 2:04 PM
MrSea: Thank you for your service.
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By: Evelyn on August 5, 2011
at 1:14 PM
noahwestmichigan:
I have been reviewing all of your posts. I truly feel pity for you and all of the anger that is eating at your soul. I keep reading that you do not hate, that you respect others, and yet you contradict yourself in the same paragraphs.
I am of the belief that the United States of America is on the verge of having three political parties, the Democrats, the Conservative Republicans, and the Extremist Tea-party (who first called themselves Tea-Baggers).
As you so clearly tried to stand behind the First Amendment to allow for your anger and bile, I shall stand before the First Amendment as I did during my 20 years in the U.S. Armed Forces to protect your right to say and do whatever you want as long as it does not endanger others.
As for the original purpose of this posting. God Bless you Helen & Margret. Please continue telling us how you see the good and the evil in our Great Nation.
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By: MrSea on August 5, 2011
at 12:40 PM
I was quite impressed with John Kerry’s very specific statement on jobs this morning. What I wasn’t impressed with was President Obama’s usual lukewarm acknowledgment that we have to do something about jobs. I think, we are going to have to stay on Obama about this issue to make it happen.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 5, 2011
at 12:25 PM
Rick Perry for President??
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/05/rick-perry-college-transcript_n_919357.html
…A source in Texas passed The Huffington Post Perry’s transcripts from his years at Texas A&M University. The future politician did not distinguish himself much in the classroom. While he later became a student leader, he had to get out of academic probation to do so. He rarely earned anything above a C in his courses — earning a C in U.S. History, a D in Shakespeare, and a D in the principles of economics. Perry got a C in gym.
Perry also did poorly on classes within his animal science major. In fall semester 1970, he received a D in veterinary anatomy, a F in a second course on organic chemistry and a C in animal breeding. He did get an A in world military systems and “Improv. of Learning” — his only two As while at A&M….
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By: Cynthia on August 5, 2011
at 12:21 PM
Now THAT is singing! Outstanding guitar playing too.
So, I’ve read back through some of these comments.
What’s the deal with this noah dude?
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By: John on August 5, 2011
at 12:18 PM
John- remember this ? 🙂
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By: alaskapi on August 5, 2011
at 11:39 AM
great stuff, alaskapi!
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By: John on August 5, 2011
at 11:32 AM
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By: alaskapi on August 5, 2011
at 11:27 AM
Raji-
GREAT singing by that kid!
uaw-
Now I know where all those “embarressmints” people sent me when SP was on the national ticket came from 🙂 Looks like they are pretty much an equal opportunity make-fun-of-everyone outfit.
noah-
I never said a thing to anyone who was arguing ideas with you . That’s on you – to stand for your own ideas.
I have only said things when folks were being underhanded.
Someone snagging your WP “quilty” and making it a gravatar to poke underhanded fun at you is a far cry from getting into your WP account but have it your own way.
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By: alaskapi on August 5, 2011
at 11:21 AM
I think Perry should run. That way the Repubs will just battle each other to the end. Obama doesn’t have to worry. Even with the economy problems.
It will all be ok.
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By: John on August 5, 2011
at 11:12 AM
Helen,
Sure looks like TX Gov. Perry is going to make a run for President.
Would love your thoughts on that. I don’t think he should.
Love your blog. Hello to Margaret!
🙂
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By: Francis on August 5, 2011
at 11:09 AM
Way to go Margaret and Helen!
You go girls!
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By: Tank Man on August 5, 2011
at 11:07 AM
Matt, my email address is noahwestmichigan@yahoo.com. I will voluntarily pull myself from the board until if and when I hear from you and get your approval to return. What was once spirited debate and commentary has now evolved into real world threats against me. I hope you can see by the posts here that I have been sought out by these people and targeted. Having seen that I hope you will welcome me back.
I have reason to believe like Rutherford or however it is spelled from another blog that I have been targeted by this person or persons impersonating me. I understand they investigated him and released his personal information. Considering their success with Rutherford, I have to consider this a genuine threat. This person or persons impersonating me have said they are about to or already have released information pertaining to me and personal accounts. As he has been able to access my account on here I have assume he has hacked into my personal system and is using that information gained to carry out his threats to do me harm. If memory serves you are a lawyer. This computer is located in my business and does have company files located on its hard drive. I will be taking it to the State Police computer crimes division Tuesday afternoon to see if I can explore any criminal options. I have copied this blog as evidence of an intent to do me and or my company harm. If I find I have options to pursue any criminal action I wanted you to be aware in case you were contacted. I do not hold you Matt, Margaret or Helen in any way responsible.
Reference the post By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 7:41 PM
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 5, 2011
at 10:53 AM
Little Boy Singing The Blues In A Guitar Store Sounds Great!
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By: Raji on August 5, 2011
at 10:52 AM
alaskapi I appreciate it if you did stand up to the people who have been relentless in going after me personally. I will take you at your word that you did so, but I missed the posts where you said this occurred. I will also assume Sally did the same. Though at this point it is moot as you will see in the post to follow. Hope I get the chance to speak with you all again in the future. Take care. James, Pfesser, stay awesome, I hope I can be more like you guys one day and let the insults wash off me. Wayne, you were right all along, and I stand corrected.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 5, 2011
at 10:49 AM
Amen.
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By: merrilymarylee on August 5, 2011
at 10:47 AM
Helen and Margaret, our hostesses here-
Please forgive me and please ban me too, if you ban Noah.
Noah- you are a dick, both of you.
There, that it is out of the way.
real Noah-
I don’t know what you call sincerity because I have been quite sincere about telling you I disagree with you and mostly ignore you when you go off on your canned rant about liberals with a capital L.
And it is a canned rant, neighbor.
I have also been quite sincere in trying to stand up for you as regards the creepy ways folks have attempted to pick on you .
I have also been very sincere in urging you to ignore a lot of stuff. I have been sincere when I responded on a couple issues we might have some spots of agreement on.
Twice in recent posts someone has shown up and chastised you as being bad for conservatives a which sets you off as much as the needling by self professed liberals does. . Whatever you have at stake here in commenting is your own business but it makes it hard on just about everyone else
except
Irish Noah-
and Pffft!!! on you Irish.
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By: alaskapi on August 5, 2011
at 10:40 AM
Too far, noah. Time for you to go.
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By: Texas Belle on August 5, 2011
at 9:44 AM
oh goody Irish- you want some gasoline,too, to pour on that fire you’re stokin?
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By: alaskapi on August 5, 2011
at 9:37 AM
Usual response from simple Liberal women.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 5, 2011
at 9:36 AM
I vote for Noah to be removed from comments here.
Who do I contact??
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By: SARAH'S PLACE on August 5, 2011
at 9:34 AM
Noah, You are a sick person. Leave this blog. You are not welcomed here and I will send an email to Helen’s grandson to make SURE you are not aloud to be on this site….AGAIN!!!
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By: Marie S. on August 5, 2011
at 9:32 AM
and she is a cuntessa, by the way. Deal with it.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 5, 2011
at 9:29 AM
Raji, absolutely I did. Had a weak moment but I am tiring of being attacked by people I have done nothing to.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 5, 2011
at 8:35 AM
Donna
A singer we agree on :Kris Kristofferson
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By: Raji on August 5, 2011
at 8:29 AM
Sheezh Noah, give it a break. IMO you stepped way over the line with the “C” word and the only reason you didn’t get moderated was you were smart enough to add “tessa”. Even Jacque doesn’t go that far.
I keep hearing that old dog story ” dadadada “Spot”, dadadada “Spot”. For what ever reason you have reached your tipping point.
Now back to our regular scheduled program of the top ten hits sponsored in part by Donna, Alaskapi, UAW and Poolman 😆
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By: Raji on August 5, 2011
at 8:25 AM
alaskapi, Sally, I am starting to question your sincerity and starting to think my trusting nature has made the fool of me again. The record stands open for everyone on here to see that I have never once instigated any conflict with anyone on here, meaning all of these personal attacks were unprovoked. That said, I have to wonder why it is you come after me, yet have nothing to say about them. You chastise me over and over, yet have nary a word to say to the people who time and again keep putting toxic comments on the board. One would think if it were truly your goal to remove the toxic things on this board, and return some civility to these pages, you would go after the people who not only start it, but continue it day after day. I would really like to hear both of your points of view why going after the person who is defending himself is more important than the people doing the thing you purport to be against.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 5, 2011
at 7:38 AM
Thank you Donna. You are a good person. My wife and I are ok. Some of the people around us aren’t.
I just read that Voltaire and some associates realized a French lottery was promising more money than the cost of tickets being sold. They formed a syndicate, bought tickets and set themselves up for life. Voltaire alone won over a million francs.
I like Joe Cocker and Kris Kristopherson too. I think Kris’s father was a general. Does anyone know?
We don’t have cable, but we have a digital station which plays nothing but music videos. It is probably not to your taste, but I liked “Tusk” by Fleetwood Mac and the University of Southern California marching band. One of the out takes on Fleetwood Mac-Tusk on Solid Gold 1980 shows Stevie Nicks twirling a baton. She must have been a majorette in school. My wife can still twirl her baton too.
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By: James on August 5, 2011
at 7:30 AM
the shit you can find on the internet….
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/aug/04/other-products-poke-fun-at-variety-of-targets/
http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&cat=new&skip=0&item=2123&sortby=rank%20DESC
http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0317
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 9:16 PM
LOL uaw and poolman!
Thanks. Goodnight all.
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 8:44 PM
http://www.jango.com/music/Kris+Kristofferson?l=0
I don’t know if you can get this Donna- Is KK doing his Love is the Last Thing to Go
one of my favorites
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 8:41 PM
I love you Helen!!!!
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By: Anonymous on August 4, 2011
at 8:30 PM
you are correct, James. And I did take it back for exactly that reason. I’d much prefer to talk music or other things we have in common.
Hope whatever is happening with you is ok.
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By: Donna on August 4, 2011
at 8:21 PM
Calling Noah a boil or windbag was a bit harsh, don’t you think?
I agree with you Sally.
Donna, our discussion about music was the most legal internet fun I had in a long time. I hope we do something like that soon.
Dianne, our room is only big enough for my wife and her two sisters.
Some things are happening, so i don’t have time for anything else.
If false James reappears, maybe I can out argue him.
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By: James on August 4, 2011
at 8:16 PM
Gotta go eat dinner, enjoy…
Yuppers, Irish. Sheesh.
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 8:11 PM
Is my lima bean dream in vain? Say it isn’t so.
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By: poolman on August 4, 2011
at 8:03 PM
speaking of ass wipes…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 8:03 PM
Leonard Cohen is too Donna- but I usually like other artist’s versions of his stuff better
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 7:59 PM
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 7:52 PM
love him. Another rock poet.
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By: Donna on August 4, 2011
at 7:51 PM
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 7:49 PM
and don’t forget…he makes the world go round….
He needs help….what a waste of good food.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 7:48 PM
Irish Noah (hereinafter referred to as “Smart Noah”): but, but, but…he’s such a good Christian! He went to Darfur! When his wife was 7 months pregnant! After they’d tried so long to have a child! And he has all those happy employees who sing after they get their free buffet lunch! And he hasn’t had to buy a loaf of bread in years!
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 7:45 PM
Sunday Morning Coming Down.
And ok, UAW–that was funny.
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By: Donna on August 4, 2011
at 7:41 PM
Actually, I’m Irish Noah and I would never call someone the “C” word like he did. Wow…Really Noah?? You’ve taken the fun out of messing with your head.
Oh well…Time to pass out all of your passwords! 🙂
You ass wipe.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 7:41 PM
Any Kristoferson favorites Donna?
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 7:37 PM
so was she a teapartyer or did she know the POTUS back then…
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 7:33 PM
alaskapi: I can’t post here. Can you get us some Kris Kristofferson?
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By: Donna on August 4, 2011
at 7:25 PM
Thanks Sally!
There’s a new Sally on the block 🙂
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 7:09 PM
Donna-
feel much cleaner after it rains…
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 7:05 PM
Here’s Willie K doing “We are the World”:
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 4, 2011
at 7:00 PM
thank you, alaskapi: Great stuff. And far more interesting.
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By: Donna on August 4, 2011
at 6:58 PM
I got to hear these guys real live. What a treat 🙂
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 6:46 PM
There you go Donna, back into the mud back where you belong, doesn’t that feel better?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 6:42 PM
Here you go Donna:-)
Jeez,Noah…
Best wishes Craig, very best wishes for you and vValerie.
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 6:37 PM
Nope–I take it back. I am really trying not to encourage that level of discourse. Doesn’t matter who it’s from. I’ll try again to get a musical discussion. Far better and far more interesting than debating something on conservapedia (or whatever the heck it is that he dotes on).
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By: Donna on August 4, 2011
at 6:35 PM
UAW, me thinks the Irish Noah #2 is back too, and using his website as foil. Oh well, it feels like Alice in Wonderland doesn’t it? Or maybe even Jacque in Wonderland having fun?
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 4, 2011
at 6:34 PM
Oh, heck, Evelyn: knock yourself out. He just can’t accept that anyone who isn’t naive enough to believe his Tale Tales isn’t liberal–it has to be that, rather than having a modicum of common sense and a working b.s. detector. My mistake for trying to get back to the very nice discussion we had about music (in which, of course, only Noah declined to participate). You could be a card carrying member of the John Birch Society and, if you recognized that Noah is a lying windbag, he’d view you as part of ACORN.
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By: Donna on August 4, 2011
at 6:26 PM
Evelyn, or Tessa, you should do As Donna orders. She has a fondness for telling others what they should do and not do on this board. You would be wise to listen. I personally find your personal inquiries in my life very telling about the Liberal you truly are. Unable to argue ANY intellectual point, I assume because of your limited nature, so you go after me. Liberals have been doing this to me since I came on here a year ago, take a number, you are nothing special.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 6:11 PM
Sorry for the typo…UAW.
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By: Diane on August 4, 2011
at 6:09 PM
James, Noah, Jaques and UAE get a room. Helen keep talking.
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By: Diane on August 4, 2011
at 6:07 PM
um, Evelyn: You’re right. He just wants attention. So, maybe it’s best not to give it to him? When ignored, he does go away for awhile. Just my opinion.
Craig–thanks for your post. So sorry that things are difficult. We all are thinking of you and your Val.
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By: Donna on August 4, 2011
at 6:07 PM
methinks Noah #2 is back
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 5:58 PM
Thank you for validating my point. This has nothing to do with ideology (do you know that that word means?). It has everything to do with you being unable to tolerate anyone who disagrees with you. By the way, how DO you manage to run that “successful” business and do all of those other spectacular things and take care of the new baby and be so magnanimous and still spend all of your time on the internet, Mr. Darfur?
Oh, and Noah: The constant use of “kiddo” really shows your lack of originality and vocabulary. If you actually DO have a baby (doubtful), please don’t home school.
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 5:57 PM
For a conservative, which you are clearly not, you argue like a Liberal. You attack personally anyone who doesn’t act or think as you have decided it should be. You are just too close minded kiddo.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 5:47 PM
Oh Cuntessa, relax a little. I am not here to change anyone’s mind, but that’s what you get when you Assume.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 5:45 PM
“my belief” rather than “my believe.” Typing error. Unlike Noah, I do know the difference.
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 5:42 PM
Actually, UAW–he is very smart. I think he acts like a loon sometimes but he definitely understands financial stuff.
Sally: Here is my basic problem with Noah. I actually am pretty conservative. I almost always vote Republican. I oppose abortion. I am not conservative on all issues but you would certainly put me well on the right of the spectrum.
People like Noah are an embarassment. They validate the worst assumptions that people have about conservatives. He has yet to have anyone on this blog say that he changed their mind on anything or offered anything that’s causing them to think. And why would they? All he does is repeat the same tired statements ad nauseum and attack an entire group of people (liberals) as somehow deficient in character or intellect. Then he starts with the stupid stunts like his one of today. That is in no way intended to start a discussion–it is yet another instance of his inflating himself at the expense of other people.
I genuinely enjoy real give and take. That is why I enjoyed Vinaigrette’s post. And sometimes people learn something or change their minds or see a different perspective. That’s a great thing.
Noah is the opposite of that. He is a stupid, self-important, humorless, intolerant, self-congratulatory snot. My objection to him isn’t “semantics” and his statement that it is just emphasizes his ignorance. My objection to him is fundamental: he’s a jerk and he accomplishes nothing constructive here (and I doubt anywhere else).
The reason that last night was so funny is that someone absolutely nailed his pretentious, self-righteous, boring manner. It was absolutely first rate.
Oh, and by the way, Noah: the word is “cited” when used in connection with a source. You “cite” the material that you find on a “site.” Get the difference? It’s basic vocabulary. And in your post above that, it should be “my belief” rather than “my belief.” My fourth grader has a better grasp of the language than you do.
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 5:39 PM
Oh and for the fyi…since Evelyn thinks she is better than everyone else on here and knew something no one else did, when in fact I have sited this website 20+ times, here is yet again where I got my conservative values information, the same place I have always got it from. http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_values
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 5:06 PM
Vinaigrette Girl, you lead with assumptions. Not always the best choice. I never said they were exclusive values to anyone, including conservatives. I would…again…and…again..point to the word ideals, and ask you to ponder its significance to this topic.
I don’t want to live in a society in which my ten year old son might end up getting shot accidentally because he was at the next lane in a bowling alley where some lunatic with a griudge and a Glock decides he wants to take out his ex-wife.
Fortunately, we do not legislate on our worst nightmares or some fantasy scenario. If we were to do that as you suggest, we would all be locked away and have our dinners delivered to us by armed guards. You are leading with the assumption that most people cannot be trusted with a firearm and so none should be. Were we to apply that logic to other areas such as driving, because some don’t do it well, playing baseball, because someone might no nuts and hit someone with it, fencing, because you might put an eye out, everything would be illegal and life would get boring fast.
I feel bad, really bad, that you feel everyone is out to get you, and only your government can save you. I cannot image what it would be like to live life that way.
Not sure what the 700 woman thing is about, you didn’t give me enough background to know what you were talking about. If it is about abortion, as I understand it, it is legal, as it should be.
As far as taxes go, if you have the magic formula that combines capitalism and socialism into one nice neat package, I am all ears.
Since you avoided all the conservative ideals, How about you tell me about my believe in pay as you go. You don’t pass a bill unless you pay for it. That is a conservative value I stand for. I believe our kids don’t deserve to pay our tab. Canada GDP to debt is 35%. Ours is 100%. How smart do you think that is, and how will little Timmy feel when he gets his free meds in a country that is bankrupt and offers him no future?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 5:00 PM
Evelyn, you silly cow. Post your “comments” some place else. This Blog is mine.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 4:53 PM
Ahh Evelyn Base your entire argument based on semantics…you go with that kiddo…hope it serves you well
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 4:43 PM
Evelyn,
No doubt you are sharp as a whip. If I could pick a team, I would definitely want you on my team.
You say what I sometimes feel when people around me say or do things I consider dumb, immature, or down right unfounded. The jacked Jacque also did the same. He was sharp as a whip though too myopic in his views, IMO.
For some odd reason, Noah is here to express his fear and has for the most part retracted his loathing. I am guessing most people here do not want to “hear” him. However, he does hang around, as does our pet uncle UAW.
Even though he does cut and paste, irritate the liberals, mix fact with opinion, and post a lot, I can sense some goodness in him. Less malice nowadays, more wanting to reach out. Maybe even an acceptance by him of some liberals instead of the blanket generalization of “all you liberals.”
When President Obama took office, and had some time with exPresident Bush, his comment on him was “he is a good man.” That really took me aback – for 8 years I hated GW Bush and thought he was evil with a Jesus shirt on. However, 2 years later, I can respect President Obama for saying that, and will also accept his opinion of GW, even though I still think he was the worst president in my lifetime and was too dumb to be a leader.
Attacks on Noah personally will only make the Noah on attack come out like a festering wound. You are sharp enough to cut through any false statements, and categorize what is fact and what is made up. He seems to be accepted by Helen (and Matthew) right now because he has toned down his messages.
I don’t mind Noah of present (and Noah, you must admit that hijacking of “your” posts yesterday was kind of funny), but I don’t want to see him revert back to the name calling and fuming hate rhetoric of the past.
Sorry to sound like Julie Andrews, but I hope you know what I mean,
Sally
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 4, 2011
at 4:37 PM
Yes…the cnbc guy…the guy that really got the teapartyers moving….
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 4:31 PM
Vinaigrette Girl ….so you feel safe….
UK is violent crime capital of Europe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-
response time of police-17 min
response time of 45acp-970 f/sec
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 4:30 PM
The CNBC guy?
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 4:19 PM
Evelyn
Rick Santelli
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 4:17 PM
700 women this sucks…..
“Women were showing up at hospitals in droves to deliver babies having had no prenatal care and no substance abuse treatment,” Lynn Martinez, director of the hotline and of the state’s birth defects and genetics program, told the media.
She added, “When asked why they hadn’t sought help, their answers were almost universal: They were worried they would either lose their children or be prosecuted. So suddenly you had a double whammy: babies exposed to drugs and babies not getting prenatal care.”
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2011/07/246834.php
Question…..
If we are going to do nothing to a drug abusing mother should we let all drunk driving homicides off with a small fine($25) or less….
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 4:15 PM
kick, kick, kick yourself. I think he’s a bright person but wouldn’t call him a genius. He’s not as intelligent as Clinton, certainly.
I don’t think most politicians are terribly smart. There may be a few who are truly motivated by the notion of public service. But I think the vast majority–on both sides of the aisle–are motivated by ego and power. We simply don’t get the best and the brightest, because the best and the brightest are doing other things and don’t want the aggravation.
As for the intelligence of the tea partiers, they are kind of an amorphous blob. Lots of mindless supporters–the ones who are taking government assistance at the same time they are claiming that it’s immoral. Give me a particular person and, if I know who he/she is, I’ll weigh in on intelligence. I’m not about to say that someone can’t hold the sort of views that are attributed to the tea party and not be smart.
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 4:12 PM
when you say dumb as rocks your not talking about the POTUS are you….
HEHEHEHEHE
(kick,kick,kick)
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 4:08 PM
are the smart as whips southerners teapartyers????
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 4:03 PM
700 women being charged for murder because of miscarriages
?????????
is this it……
“In Alabama at least 40 cases have been brought under the state’s “chemical endangerment” law. Introduced in 2006, the statute was designed to protect children whose parents were cooking methamphetamine in the home and thus putting their children at risk from inhaling the fumes.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges..
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 3:58 PM
UAW: I know many southerners who are smart as whips. I know many people who haven’t gone through higher education who are smart as whips. I know many people who have advanced degrees who are dumb as rocks. Noah, as evidenced by his posts–not one or two of them but the whole tiresome, repetitious universe of bull–is not very S-M-A-R-T.
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 3:49 PM
evelyn….
every hear the one about the southern guy that said “I might talk slow……but that doesn’t make me stupid”
Elsie….
I can’t wait till the next election and we can get some more tea partiers in there……Yes we need more northern teabaggers…..how many do WE have to elect before it is called a mandate?….Rick Santelli for President……
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 3:43 PM
Vinaigrette: Really well put. And you actually write your own material, rather than copy other people’s. And you offer genuine explanations, as opposed to insulting others under the guise of asking for “discussion.”
Noah truly is a boil on this blog. Apart from being the only person singled out for sheer stupidity, he lacks humor, insight, and anything more than a relentless desire to have people pay attention to him.
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 3:23 PM
Noah, you believe that the ‘conservative values’ you cite are limited to conservatives, but they are not: your definition of ‘liberal’ is designed to be a strawman you can then knock down. People exercise their self-control and liberty of conscience in many different ways, and people who are liberal don’t oppose work, either for themselves or others, but we do believe in meeting people where they are and in trying to deal with one another with a base level of respect. We respect diversity.
You talk about self-control: the US is chock-a-block with obese people driving enormous vehicles and they aren’t all liberals. So ‘self-control’ is a seective phrase, a code for “behaviour of which I approve”.
Consider the role of government in individual lives: I don’t want to live in a society in which my ten year old son might end up getting shot accidentally because he was at the next lane in a bowling alley where some lunatic with a griudge and a Glock decides he wants to take out his ex-wife. In the US, my right to live in reasonable safety is trumped by the relatively recent changes restricting gun ownership. I don’t want cops or my elected representatives or school children to live in a society where they are in fear for their lives and where the state has to expend millions of dollars in dealing with the ubiquity of weapons and the effects of those weapons in the wrong hands. The anarchic effects of a conservative philosophy in government has a direct effect on my life as an individual and as a taxpayer. Government dictates to me that I cannot live in a safe environment in the US.
You don’t want government interference and you’re all for individual liberty and you think conservatives understand empiricism and the scientific method: but there are over 700 women who are under criminal inditement for having miscarriages. This disrespect for biology, let alone liberty of the person, is staggering. The conservative attitude to uterus-enabled persons is staggering; as if the life of a female person is inherently and irrevocably trumped by the functioning of one biological process.
Taxes in the US are at a 50 year low in terms of tax as a proportion of GDP, but the Tea Party still complains about high taxes. So much for respect for facts or empirical data.
As for things being bad in Europe? Well, the Greeks are in trouble because they didn’t want to pay their taxes but wanted the benefits of a high tax system. In the UK we have a government the TP would love, which is doing the economy no good at all, but I can tell you this: not one family in the UK has a parent worrying about whether their children choose between food or medicine this week – unlike in the US. My friends who are cops don’t have to worry about some idiot with a concealed firearm. I like living in a society without automatic weapons in the hands of idiots and without paranoia about Gummint.
But I still pay US taxes and maintain my citizenship because i believe in my country.
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By: Vinaigrette Girl on August 4, 2011
at 3:11 PM
“I will define some of the principles of conservative ideology.” You didn’t define jack–you parroted something written by someone else.
I’m not baffled in the least. You presented someone else’s thoughts without attribution. You then engaged in a sophomoric question of “who doesn’t agree with these things?”
You don’t know who I am, what I do for a living, what my education is, or anything else. You certainly don’t know that I “take the easy way out in all things.” I rarely post here because I have an actual job. You, in contrast, appear to have nothing more or better to do than to hang around here looking for attention. You aren’t very bright, can’t spell worth a damn, have zero knowledge or basic punctuation or grammar. And your inflated claims about your “successful business” and your prowess (and that of your supposed spouse) are so phony as to be laughable. If you were able to accomplish a fraction of what you claim you do, you wouldn’t be here. Personal attacks? You bet–you are an imbecile and a fraud. Personal attacks in lieu of a response on the merits? You are so deficient that there’s nothing to argue with. It’s a lot like dealing with a conservative’s pet gerbil.
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 2:52 PM
Evelyn, could you quote me where I said I was the author. Lets do an integrity check and see if you can back your own BS. I understand you have no idea what intellectual honesty is so let me educate you. I don’t argue with conjecture or personal bias. No one is interested in my personal definition of a Conservative. It would also make it a pointless argument as I can prove my personal beliefs to always be correct. Thus using someone’s work other than my own was the only fair way to present the case. Considering who and what you are I can see why you had no idea. I am sure even now you are completely baffled.
To further shed you of your ignorance, you will note I said Conservative Ideals. Ideals being the key. Something to strive for. Not like you who takes the easy way out in all things. You are welcome to dismiss what millions of others deem to be true, it is the cheap way out, but it suits you I think. Now, back to the question at hand.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 2:22 PM
I got in on the tail end of the last M&H posting and left a message to all there…James I think saw it and wanted to check in with all…
Here is a quick copy and paste of the current happening in our world…….
“Eight Miles High” Donna…
Delurker you must have been reading my mind…
Thanks James also for the thoughts…
and a shout out to Mageen
Howdy PFessor.
May-July have not been good months around the ranch.
Valerie ..as I have said before, some days I’m the target other days I’m just lucky to duck….
Last night I found Val reading in bed, a complete anthology about cancer..one of these doctor tell all books that cover all cancers. I asked her about it,and she said she was just reading the part pertaining to her. She said the book said, if she made it a year she would at least make it 3-4 years….then based on med changes..plus it even got into prayer and crystals and crap. IT just makes it all that more painful to wonder, do I have her for six more months or just three years…
She is completing her 7th cycle tomorrow..and the last cycle , the 8th..before we see the specialist will be August 23rd.
We shaved her head last weekend as it was getting a lil lacking. Now we both look a matching set of cue balls.
While visiting friends in mid July she had a melt down in a dressing room in California while trying on dresses. Unfortunately it had one of those mirrors that show 360′ deg. and she saw no hair. Fortunately a girl friend was there to comfort her. I’ve just been telling her she looks great..which to me she does.
Val wants grand children…and only wants to live to see one or two…would love a lil girl to dote on. The Kids are working on it but its only been 5 months.
She continues to work at school..just lethargic,no taste buds..sunburned like hands and feet due to chemo meds..and temperamental. But what the hey..
she has always been a feisty one.
I still love her.
On that note…later Ya-all
…and how about that Gov. Perry..is it too early for another fiscal conservative Texan in the White House?
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By: Craig on August 4, 2011
at 2:16 PM
Noah: You give the misleading impression that you are the author of those points. As you know, you are not. You copied it verbatim from a piece written several years ago.
It is a much criticized (and rightly so) piece of rhetoric. Your latest “oh, let’s discuss this” is an empty exercise because the author of the points (who of course is not you) deliberately framed them so that there could be no dispute. This is one of those “who wouldn’t be opposed to crime” exercises that simple minds enjoy trotting out on occasion. The fact is that the supposed values that the author cites are not used in practice by many who claim to be conservatives and are, instead, the sort of divisive crapola in which you specialize. Nice try but yet another fail on your part. Perhaps your doppelganger will weigh in.
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By: Evelyn on August 4, 2011
at 2:07 PM
Ever wonder why the Tea Party acts like a bunch of racists? Well, there’s a long history between today’s Tea Party and yesterday’s Dixiecrats. As a Southerner, I found this to be a particularly interesting read:
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/08/02/lind_tea_party
The following is just an excerpt (!), so please go to the source and take a look at the whole thing.
(snip)
Contradicting the mainstream media narrative that the Tea Party is a new populist movement that formed spontaneously in reaction to government bailouts or the Obama administration, the facts show that the Tea Party in Congress is merely the familiar old neo-Confederate Southern right under a new label. The threat of Southern Tea Party representatives and their sidekicks from the Midwest and elsewhere to destroy America’s credit rating unless the federal government agrees to enact Dixie’s economic agenda of preserving defense spending while slashing entitlements is simply the latest act of aggression by the Solid South….
…In light of this recent history, it is clear that the origins of the debt ceiling crisis are to be sought, not in generic American conservatism, but in idiosyncratic Southern conservatism. The goal, the methods and the passion of the Tea Party in the House are all characteristic of the radical Southern right.
…In 1820 and 1850 the South used the threat of secession to force the rest of the United States to appease it on the slavery issue. In 1861, the South tried to destroy the United States, rather than accept a legitimately elected president, Abraham Lincoln, whom it did not control.
Following defeat in the Civil War, the former Confederate states regrouped as “the Solid South,” a one-party region, first Democratic and now Republican, that has tended to vote as a bloc in national affairs. The South sought to block the federal civil rights revolution by a policy of “massive resistance” to court orders ordering racial integration. Some Southern states went so far as to try to abolish their public school systems rather than integrate them. It is hard to avoid seeing a link between this racist rationale for privatization and modern conservative plans to scale back Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, relied on disproportionately by black and brown Americans and low-income whites, while increasing taxpayer subsidies to private retirement and healthcare accounts enjoyed mostly by affluent whites.
As white Southerners, upset with the Democratic Party’s racial and social liberalism, migrated into the post-Goldwater GOP, they brought their Dixiecrat attitudes into the party of Lincoln…
The Republican Party’s attempted government shutdown of 1995 marked the new domination of the Republican Party by Southerners like Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey and Tom DeLay …
The debt ceiling crisis is the latest case in which the radical right in the South has held America hostage until its demands are met. Presidents Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln refused to appease the Southern fanatics. Unfortunately, President Obama and the Democrats in Congress chose not to follow their example and instead gave in. In doing so, they have encouraged the neo-Confederate minority in Congress to find yet another opportunity in the near future to extort concessions from America’s majority by sabotaging America’s government.
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By: Elsie on August 4, 2011
at 2:05 PM
Probably wont hear back from Vinaigrette Girl. Could any other Liberal then answer the above question. What conservative values listed above do you think are bad for our country today?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 1:39 PM
Vinaigrette Girl, your observation is not as brilliant as NOP believes.You’ll think I am crazy, but I regard the Tea Party as a band of radicals locked in struggle with conservatives who call themselves liberals or progressives. Reality supports me, and I defended my view a few days ago.
The Tea Party is the only group which changed the debate and forced Republicans and Democrats to at least talk of reducing spending. Both sides are anti -rationalist, etc. If they were not, the Obama wing of the party would have changed policies to allow for circumstances. Instead they follow the same course repeatedly. As Pete Seeger sang about LBJ and the war, “but the big fool said push on.”
Yes, some of the Tea Party views are contradictory and hypocritical, but so are most of ours.
I lived in England for two years and spent a lot of time in Canada. The news was biased differently than here. If you live in Europe, could you tell us if conditions are as bad there as some of our news papers say?
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By: James on August 4, 2011
at 12:31 PM
Vinaigrette Girl I am looking forward to you citing evidence to your claims.
Lets start with this. What documentation do you have to back this claim?
Bachmann and Perry, and their ilk, think, like the good Calvinists that they are, that being poor is a sign of God’s disfavour, and that poverty deserves further punishment.
against empiricism
Just the opposite, they demand it. Believe what you like, just don’t expect blanket acceptance if you cannot back your claims.
it is so anti-federalist
Yes and no. They are very fiscally conservative, something we need now more than ever. They are however not nationalistic in the sense they do not want the government to dictate to us how we run our lives. I am not so stupid that I need the government to tell me how to raise my kids, when and what to eat, and decide for me my moral and ethical beliefs. I can figure that out for myself thank you very much.
The rest of that paragraph is a broad generalization which is obviously false. There are elements of truth but you have overblown it a hundred fold to try and make a point.
I am interested to see what you disagree with conservative values. Why are they, in your opinion, mostly or all wrong, and why are these values not right for us today? To give us a framework for this discussion I will define some of the principles of conservative ideology.
-Self-control as opposed to a self-indulgent search for instant gratification of desires.
-Placing ideas and principles above personal desire, weaknesses, fears and regrets.
-A never-ending quest for the truth, despite obstacles based on emotion and personal experience, and spreading such truths for the benefit of all.
-Recognizing and utilizing the benefits of competition and hard work.
-emphasizing charity, with its unexpected benefits, rather than compulsory tax-and-spend programs.
-Teaching self-help rather than dependence on government and others.
-A devotion to the principle of justice.
-Frugality and efficiency.
-Rejecting the deification of government officials.
-Giving those in authority due respect, but not to the point of accepting orders or assertions that are contrary to logic or morality.
-Emphasizing self-reliance and being able to keep the fruits of one’s labor.
-Recognizing the power of the free market.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 12:09 PM
I am so pleased to see you writing again! You generally say what I think, only better than I can say it. And many commenters also add pearls of wisdome, whether they entirely agree with you or not. Of course, there are also the idiots who deal in dung, but they are living proof of the decline of American ‘civilization.’
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By: BevM on August 4, 2011
at 11:53 AM
Vinaigrette Girl, brilliant observation.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 4, 2011
at 11:35 AM
what universal human rights are you talking about….setting on your ass and having everything handed to you…..Google the CCC…..government program putting people to work…..key word is work…..I’ll agree with anyone that says the government should put everyone to work (mostly helping industry create jobs) and using some of the increased GDP for social programs…….but right now you can play basketball with the checkbook…….
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By: uawtradesman on August 4, 2011
at 11:27 AM
Reaching beyond some of the details and made-up facts, what I see as a US citizen living abroad is this: the Tea Party is not only anti-rationalist, against empiricism, and against the scientific method, it is so anti-federalist as to be prima facie anarchic. Tea Partiers really don’t understand the legal principles of the institutions of government they attack, and they want to dismantle protections of universal human rights because they fundamentally disagree with the structures of governance which protect those rights. And if the rights disappear, they’re OK with that – as long as it doesn’t impinge on them, personally, or as long as they believe it won’t.
So Michelle Bachmann is OK with taking money from the Federal Government for her family’s farm, her unlicensed husband’s ‘mental health clinic’, and her house, but she still wants to destroy the structures which gives her those benefits.
Bachmann and Perry don’t believe other people should have the liberty of conscience that they themselves enjoy; nor should others have their liberty of conscience even respected, and they wish to legislate away other people’s liberties, because they dislike the federal structure which guarantees them.
Bachmann and Perry, and their ilk, think, like the good Calvinists that they are, that being poor is a sign of God’s disfavour, and that poverty deserves further punishment.
But what marks the TP out as wrong for the country is that they really don’t believe that the rights guaranteed by the federalist approach are worth keeping, which is why they want to destroy the principles by which we have been governed for the last 150 years.
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By: Vinaigrette Girl on August 4, 2011
at 11:03 AM
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/business-tech/110729/7-deadly-stories-us-economy-debt-ceiling-house-senate
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 11:01 AM
Lighten up, Noah. Cultivate a sense of humor. It’s an armor which lays light against your shoulders and protects well against the weight life lays on us all. It won’t see you through everything but it sure helps.
Helen-
sure hoping folks here at home are thinking about what they got with their vote today. Some are sticking their heads in the sand, some are questioning how Ms Murkowski could keep him on for 3 months after the plea agreement. I’m questioning why so many voted for her to begin with since her connections to all our industry bigwigs , fish , oil, or mining , have smelled this bad for quite awhile-sorta from the inside out given having staffers like this…
“Fuglvog’s crime was as much a betrayal of trust as a violation of the law, said John Sackton, president of an industry information service, Seafood.com. Alaska’s system of fishing quotas, which Fuglvog had promoted for years, has made it a world leader in fostering conservation through economic incentives. But the system only works when fishermen obey their catch limits, Sackton said in an interview.
“It’s not a paperwork mistake,” said Sackton from his home in Lexington, Mass. “He was in such a position of trust, first as a council member, and he was the most important fisheries staffer in Washington. He had direct experience, he knew the management system intimately. He was an icon.” ”
Read more: http://www.adn.com/2011/08/03/1999545/senator-quiet-on-aides-fishing.html#ixzz1U4HvDJvX
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By: alaskapi on August 4, 2011
at 8:01 AM
I wasn’t trying to insinuate that you meant anything by it alaskapi . Only point I was making that it was the kids that chose how events at my place unfolded and ultimately what my organization became.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
at 5:08 AM
What I said has nothing to do with credit taking or not, it has to do with lightening the load you are putting yourself under so you can stay the course.
The kids we buried here this summer have left a huge hole. I had to quit my tiny part for a bit until I could rest and recoup get it back together . Others bailed, others screamed.
Others joined up because they finally got hold of what we were losing.
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 9:50 PM
Anyways I am out for the night, baby had me up at 5:15 this morning and its been non stop every since. Get my 4 or 5 hours in before the little darling is up with the birds. Night all.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:47 PM
Will do. Everything is set to whatever default is for WordPress so I will just leave everything as is.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:43 PM
Good advice alsakpi.
Our daughter is a therapist for troubled teenagers. Early this morning one or more burned down the branch office where she worked last year. Omaha television stations called for interviews which she declined. At least, she said it wasn’t Today show. When that happened, she knew it would be a really bad day.
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By: James on August 3, 2011
at 9:42 PM
Noah- neither Sally nor I have linked our screen names to anything.
You have been linking yours to your admin site/blog and Irish Noah has been linking to the so-called sideways G…gravatar.
Easy peasy way to know who is who and who is not who. Keep linking your name to your admin site/blog.
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 9:39 PM
That is what we do a lot of that. This venture started out very different than it ended up. It was their input in various ways that made it what it is today. 110%. I take no credit other than taking action in what we evolved into.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:39 PM
Noah, if you really want to help those kids, just sit quiet and listen more often.
They’ll tell you what they need in their own way.
And it will be in a foreign language you will need to study .
And they will tell tales of places you have never been , try to understand those places.
And you will lose some.
Know that, you will lose some.
We lost 9 here this summer.
We’re hanging onto those who are left.
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 9:35 PM
Ya I am afraid I stand by my earlier comment about not understanding most of this I click on my name, goes to my admin blog. Click on the joker and it goes to that sideways G. I can click on UAW’s name, but not alaskapi or Sally’s name. Either way this is a waste of internet ink. I will promise to take 2 breaths before posting in the future.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:33 PM
You did get hijacked! for the best of reasons!:-)
Happy Birthday to your MIL!
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 9:30 PM
just in a great mood today…getting ready to BBQ 30 lbs of chicken for my mother-in-laws 91st. birthday….
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 9:24 PM
uaw- which is 2 ?
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 9:23 PM
noah #2 is in good form also
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 9:21 PM
You think UAW was also hijacked? He is not his usual tire kicker…
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 3, 2011
at 9:20 PM
Well Noah- click on Irish Noah’s name 🙂
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 9:20 PM
Ah Irish, eh, o Noah of gravatar only?
Wicked Irish humor there. And more than a mite o nasty.
Real Noah of no humor and Twenty Eleven- keep logging in with your url to your blog so it takes folks there should they click.
The Irish’s links to only a gravatar, no blog.
We all know who you are anyway.
Read this and lighten up. Your family and the kids you are trying to help don’t want to be weeping over your dead bones cuz you dropped in your tracks worrying yourself into your grave.
The grave comes soon enough neighbor.
And for crap’s sake, ignore needlers, you are a sitting duck for them.
http://groundswellalaska.com/2010/06/17/ten-suggestions-for-effective-activism-paul-rogat-loeb/
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 9:19 PM
That was indeed me posting on your new website Noah. Hope alaskapi can find the solution for you.
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 3, 2011
at 9:19 PM
Noah,
You need to log into your admin site for WordPress, and then alaskapi needs to know which “theme” you chose for yourself. It looks like you have “twenty eleven” as your theme. That might be the default for new WordPress sites alaskapi.
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 3, 2011
at 9:16 PM
I noticed clicking on my name, something I haven’t done before I go to my admin page and can see Sally sending me a post saying that wordpress is the bomb and that she would check in from time to time. I have never posted anything on my site nor did i know how. I click on this other guy and it takes me to this big blue sideways G image. I am sure this is how this person is manipulating things on here, just not sure how.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:12 PM
ok confirmed found the appearance tab and it says Twenty Eleven by the WordPress team.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:08 PM
jon stewart is in good form tonight…everyone is catching it….
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 9:08 PM
I was clicking on that picture looking at the selection so I might have changed it while you were responding, but that is what it currently reads
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:02 PM
My background? I’m Irish.
Does that help, alaskapi?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:00 PM
Ok was poking around, and currently if I am looking at the right thing, my theme is twenty eleven.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:00 PM
Noah-
get in your blog. in the dashboard look to left, click on “appearance”.at the top of what opens is the name of your current theme- that, what is the name of that?
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 9:00 PM
And I am referring to your backside if you know what I mean
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By: Sylvia Fowler on August 3, 2011
at 8:59 PM
Maybe it would help me if you sent me a photo of you without your shirt on.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 8:59 PM
Me and my pussy cat wll give you an hour, dear.
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By: Sylvia Fowler on August 3, 2011
at 8:58 PM
I am not 100% certain what a theme is, are you referring to my background
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 8:55 PM
Noah- what theme is your WP blog in?
Just the theme name please…
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 8:42 PM
alaskapi, I understand and even appreciate what you are trying to do and say. I will, and do take what you say seriously and into consideration. I’ve been who I am for a very long time and I find it difficult to be any other way. IRL, I tell it like it is. On here I tell it like it is. I see a LOT of people hurting. I see a lot of kids in situations they do not deserve to be in but it is out of their hands to do anything about it. I take the work I do with these kids seriously and I really have a hard time finding the humor in any of this. I have embraced a cause that keeps me up late, wakes me up and keeps me up in the middle of the night, and wakes me up early in the morning. I think how we are conducting ourselves as a nation is travesty. I have one small facility that helps maybe 40 kids in a good quarter, but I see hundreds on a regular basis that I can’t reach or monetarily do anything about. You would be amazed how difficult it is to get an individual to even give up 1 hour a week of their time on an ongoing basis. I get 20 checks for every 1 person who will donate a single hour of their time. The humor in a lot of things left me a long time ago.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 8:36 PM
My knowledge in the area of blogs is quite limited, just not something I have invested a great deal of time trying to figure out. If this other person has done something clever, you can take that as evidence it was not me.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 8:22 PM
Noah-
It is dead obvious you don’t engage in banter. One of the reasons I like uaw , even when I want to pinch his face off for being a smarta$$, is that he does.
Maybe you could put some effort in not being so consistent and predictable.
I work very hard, most of the time, to be semi-civilized on blogs, especially other people’s, and that is NOT my normal way.
Try ignoring stuff .
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 8:22 PM
I see something kind of suspicious too Sylvia…
the fake Noah is linked to the quilty gravatar
And the real Noah is linked to a wordpress.com blogsite.
Hmmmm….
How hard is it to snag the WordPress auto generated quilty thing and make it your gravatar so it looks like you are someone else?
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 8:15 PM
alaskapi, I hope you understand I don’t tend to engage in banter often, it just isn’t in my nature. I am rather dry and I engage people I think in a predictable and consistent way. I would think you have read me often enough to know when it is me posting, and this joker muddying up this board.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 8:15 PM
Noah and I used to get a little jiggy with it before I had the operation to become a woman. Now he won’t give me the time of day. Effing hetero-phobe.
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By: Sylvia Fowler on August 3, 2011
at 8:09 PM
I see something suspicious
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By: Sylvia Fowler on August 3, 2011
at 8:03 PM
I will ignore it. This person can mock me but he/she cannot take my soul.
Only my wife, uawtradesman, and Martha Stewart have the rights to my soul.
Carry on, Liberal sheep.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 8:02 PM
Noah- ignore it. Just ignore it.
Jeez.
Here I am standing up for you again .
I ignore you when you go on and on about the messiah hoo-bobby and however many points or promises or whatever the hell it is- just ignore people back, eh?
make it worth the time to stand up for you, eh?
I’m gonna be the one with the ‘idiot’ sign hung round my neck standing in the corner again after all this .
Just ignore it.
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 7:59 PM
It’s kind of funny.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 7:57 PM
alaskapi: Your points are well taken. Thank you.
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By: Donna on August 3, 2011
at 7:55 PM
Oh for crying out loud Noah- there’s no hit squad. Just a bunch of folks who disagree with you. So do I a lot/most of the time. I can ignore things which bug them and vice versa.
Donna- tone, yes, you are right. However,no need to bring gay thing in at all. Just wrong.
Torches my shorts when people make fun of SP’s hair, clothes, etc- no reason to bring clothing and hair into a discussion about the dingbat’s politics. What’s the oldest way to tear women down…? Clothes, makeup, blah, blah. blah like that’s what counts when it comes to the ladies.
What’s the oldest way to tear men down? Question their “manhood” -preferrably by teasing about them being gay, like being gay is funny, bad, not manly.
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 7:53 PM
oops…sorry, wrong link…that was link to UNION MEN GONE WILD.
I’ll have the real link in a minute. Stay tuned…
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 7:52 PM
delurker….
when they shut off comments I assume you mean stopping the libs from making gay jokes and other insults that they normally make…..but if they want to play I’ve got almost 40 years of shop talk that I haven’t used in almost 2 years(or much of)
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 7:52 PM
Good link, some good solid facts. Worth watching if like me you are concerned where we are heading as a country. They have my order.
http://w3.newsmax.com/a/aftershockb/video.cfm?PROMO_CODE=CB61-1
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 7:48 PM
That was not me! Why are you picking on me? I am a simple christian who just happens to like retired union workers and my wife. How hot is it where you are? Let’s cyber chat, shall we?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 7:44 PM
You Liberals are mean.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 7:43 PM
Can everybody use your pool?
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By: Sylvia Fowler on August 3, 2011
at 7:43 PM
This is cyber bullying. This is harmful and should be stopped. Whoever is trying to post as me stop. This is not your blog.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 7:42 PM
Most people will recognize my writing style. Like my love of hats, it is a style that most people cannot pull off. But I can. I am great. I am love. I am so full of myself that I can’t sleep at night due to the heartburn. Heartburn is not a severe medical condition so you don’t have to worry and go to the ER or anything like that. Propping yourself up with several pillows will usually ease the discomfort. By the way, the temperature in Dallas is a cool 98 degrees with a slight wind out of the north.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 7:40 PM
It has been some time since we saw this boards hit squad come in force. All the players seem to be in place, check, old tactics in play, check. Just like old times.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 7:33 PM
M&H, I am so sad about how this turned out. Please promise that when you’re tired of Noah (real, fake, whatever) et al being the center of attention… purposely stealing your thunder… you’ll turn off comments but keep on blogging. YOU are why your fans are here. You make a difference. Please don’t be discouraged by the guys that are here to disrupt at any cost. Free speech does not equal ‘open mic night at the bar.’ We love you. We worry and miss you when you’re gone. The rest? Worthless these days. Your fans will read you, and make your posts go viral, always. Real power!
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By: delurkergurl on August 3, 2011
at 7:24 PM
Alaskapi: It’s NOT the gay thing that’s funny. It’s the preening, pretentiousness. THAT was spot on.
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By: Donna on August 3, 2011
at 6:50 PM
alaskapi, even if it were not about me, I don’t think I would find humor in what Evelyn and Cynthia are engaged in. If your reference to the person posting in my stead I think my writing style is unique enough people can tell when it is and is not me, so I am not even giving that a second thought.
I agree on the gay thing. I am personally convinced it is genetic for many people. I have 2 uncles that have been openly gay all of my life .I can remember and a friend from high school who didn’t come out until after he was married and had a kid. I know both of my uncles and my friend in hindsight went through a lot of personal hell for their individual decisions. My uncles for the loss of friends and family for choosing to be open, and my friend for hiding it and secretly having to listen to all the locker room type talks about gays as young people often insensitively do. These posters are in poor taste for sure.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 6:38 PM
should be Wednesdays off…..Noah …you want seconds….
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 6:35 PM
funnygirl….
not sure if this counts but before my wife died she complained that I could only keep it up for 4 hours and then needed at least a 20 min rest before starting again……and wanted Wednesday of to rest up….is that what your talking about….been out of practice for awhile now….are you offering?????
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 6:33 PM
I agree alskapi.Liberals and conservatives have used homosexuality as a club before. Liberals tried to show that Rush Limbaugh was gay- also “W” a few years ago.
We are not as tolerant as we tell the world.
One of our childrens’ classmates was transgendered, and she killed herself.
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By: James on August 3, 2011
at 6:32 PM
again, not me.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 6:25 PM
Stop it! This is against the law. I am going to hire a internet attorney and he will find you. I say he because we all know a woman can’t be an attorney in Michigan. At least, they shouldn’t be. Don’t hate me for saying that. It is just fact. Oh, and before I go, the temperature in Peru is 53 degrees with a 20 mile an hour wind out of the north, northwest.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 6:24 PM
You know- picking on Noah might be fun (Sorry, Noah. You’d be better off cultivating a thicker hide ) if it didn’t include making fun of gay folks.
Why is it used as the ultimate put down?
What the hell is liberal about putting down gay men?
Anybody here been through hell and back with family members or friends trying to come to terms with being LGBT in this country like I have?
Jeez.
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 6:23 PM
Oh, and just so you know. My wife is fine with my love for uawtradesman. She has known all along about my attraction to retired union workers. After all, it was right there on my E Harmony.com application when we met.
So there. You liberals are a hoot.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 6:21 PM
Thanks for that post Raji , I’ve passed it along to a half dozen people. I used to be an avid reader of this site and it kind of fell off my radar. Think ill peruse what I have been missing. Thanks again
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 6:19 PM
Not to worry I’ll have my own brand of fun. I am by nature an eccentric type. I find fun in things most people would consider work. I am an often failed, but continuously trying inventor. I get a thrill of taking a raw idea, refining it, and seeing what it turns into. I have a friend who is like minded and for more than a decade we also come up with business ideas, punch in the numbers, and see based on the hours required decide if the projected money makes it worth going after. As with inventions, 99% tend to be a bust. We for years petitioned to have Absinthe to be made legal in the US, even went to Lansing to speak on the subject. Nothing in it for us but it tends to make for great conversations and occupies our free time.
I found an interesting bit of wording in the laws made to help protect children, ie students, from intimidation on the internet after we had a couple of cases where teen girls committed suicide based on the bullying of their peers. These laws are surprisingly, or not so surprisingly loosely worded, I assume to give law enforcement and judges wider latitude in protecting our kids/students from such harm. As my current project/invention for dealing with undertows seems to be stalled at the moment, I think I will delve a little into this and see if we get any traction.
Evelyn you and Cynthia are some kind of people. funnygirl, thanks for sticking with Liberal tradition.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 6:13 PM
HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA…
the lib thing again….
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 6:09 PM
“While this has been enjoyable trying to deal with you Liberals, I have to go now and seek medical attention for an erection lasting more than 4 hours.”
I understand there are a number of conservative women who would like your number. It seems premature ejaculation or erectile dysfunction is a serious problem among conservative men…..believed to be caused by all the dick flinging.
Well that’s what they tell me.
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By: funnygirl on August 3, 2011
at 5:58 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
just checked back in……lighten up Noah…the libs are just doing what they accuse the cons of doing…happens all the time…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 5:57 PM
That wasn’t nice Ragi. You have me laughing as hard as Donna. I’ve been in Seward, Ne., and so has Lady Gaga. Even worse is the exploding ducks over Chesapeake Bay.
Hang in there Noah.
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By: James on August 3, 2011
at 5:57 PM
Noah: Your assumption as to my political views is wrong. I come here occasionally for humor. You detract from that and any positive discussion. I think that whoever has hacked you should, if possible, provide information that will allow people to show just how false your claims about yourself are.
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By: Evelyn on August 3, 2011
at 5:53 PM
NOP, I don’t think Noah is doing this. It happened to me last November when false James wrote he was a victim of child abuse, had little regard for veterans and other such things.
Someone is just having fun at Noah’s expense. It reminds me of multiple personalities.
The words to a song come to mind, “my life is so boring, the voices in my head are snoring.”
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By: James on August 3, 2011
at 5:45 PM
actually, I hit send before editing–because I was laughing so hard at how a mirror is being held up to what you are and how you appear. I meant to say that I’m not offended by your nonsense because I’m liberal. I’m offended because you are a transparent fraud. There are many intelligent and informed conservatives. You are not one of them.
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By: Donna on August 3, 2011
at 5:44 PM
Gin a woman after my own heart. Only its gin and lemonade for me……
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By: barb on August 3, 2011
at 5:40 PM
Poolman, I love lima beans especially soccatash. I think that’s how you spell it.
Wow, even Noah has a tipping point 🙂
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By: Raji on August 3, 2011
at 5:40 PM
Idiot: I’m not liberal. I just think you are a fraud and an embarassment to thinking conservatives. Nice try.
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By: Donna on August 3, 2011
at 5:39 PM
Apparently everyone has their tipping point!
http://www.theonion.com/articles/drunken-ben-bernanke-tells-everyone-at-neighborhoo,21059/
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By: Raji on August 3, 2011
at 5:35 PM
The current temperature in Istanbul is 84 degrees with a 15 mile an hour wind coming from the north. I can also tell you what time it is in three different time zones. Did you know the human head weighs 8 pounds?
It does. I googled it. While this has been enjoyable trying to deal with you Liberals, I have to go now and seek medical attention for an erection lasting more than 4 hours.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 5:23 PM
Oh come on. Stop this now. I enjoy coming here. Leave me alone!
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 5:18 PM
The sooner you all realize that I am the Lord God almighty the sooner you all will have the chance to be saved. I can save you. I smell a little bit, but I can save you from your wicked wicked ways. Shout out to my honey, uawtradesman!!!
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 5:16 PM
I want to thank you Evelyn & Cynthia. I have never had a better example of who the true party of hate is. I have never had a more perfect example of who spreads bile and creates a toxic atmosphere on here than you two. I give thanks to you two for the best examples I could hope for of who instigates the petty personal attacks that devalues this board. I have saved both of your posts and when the subject comes up you can expect to see both of your posts re-posted for months and months to come.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 5:13 PM
Evelyn, Cynthia, I wish karma visits upon you and those you care about all you have so richly earned. Nuff said.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 4:51 PM
No, fool–you are the person who regularly congratulates yourself on your incredible business success, your astonishing prowess around your home, your extraordinary efforts for charity, and your amazingly gifted wife. If you weren’t so busy patting yourself on the back, nobody would mention a thing.
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By: Evelyn on August 3, 2011
at 4:46 PM
Interesting news I just came across. While all this debt debate was going on, Democrats in a dozen or more states passes a internet tax bill into law. An item I was paying $25.95 for monthly now is costing me $1.56 more this month.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 4:45 PM
No One’s Puppet, since we have all here known you to be flat busted lying, lets set that aside for the moment and ask, if I am doing it to myself as before, are you saying that when it happened to James and Pfesser (if memory serves) that they were doing it on purpose as well?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 4:43 PM
Ahh I get it now. Evelyn and Cynthia are attacking me personally again. Asking questions about my home life and my business. Do you people see what Liberals are really about? Do you not see there is no moral line they will not cross? James respectfully I have to disagree with you and your take on these people. There is no level these people will not stoop too. They cannot/will not stand on their issues alone. They will always take the low road. Wayne, Pfesser, James, uawtradesman, Raji, Jacque Poolman, Sally, what is your take on this particular attack by these two?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 4:38 PM
Face it Noah is a shut-in, he was being ignored, so he is playing off himself just like he did a while back. It wasn’t interesting the first time and it isn’t interesting now.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 3, 2011
at 4:35 PM
I like lima beans. Not too many folks I know like them. I think the lima bean really gets a bum rap. It needs a PR campaign like avocados or Cialas to increase eatership.
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By: poolman on August 3, 2011
at 4:18 PM
and lima beans. We grow two kinds.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 4:06 PM
Evelyn, If you had to smell the smells I smell on a daily basis you would be schizo too. Now, I demand respect from you people. I am only here to help you. I offer facts. You people seem to ignore facts. My whole life is based on facts. In fact, my wife, when she isn’t out there picking corn or chasing the free range chickens that we raise, is a woman of facts. We are a family who enjoy facts. and mustard. You can never have enough mustard. We make our own. Three kinds. But, I will save that for Helen’s next post.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 4:05 PM
Oh, yes–it’s a very wide view:
1. Refer to the President as “Messiah” whenever possible.
2. Congratulate myself on my vast accomplishments in business and as a regular Grizzly Adams.
3. Bring up “30 promises” in, say, every third post.
4. Combine 1 and 3.
5. Repeat 2, elaborating on my magnificence.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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By: Evelyn on August 3, 2011
at 3:56 PM
This has gone too far. I do not insult people. I offer a wider view of things on this blog.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 3:53 PM
uawtradesman, Pookie, is dinner ready?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 3:52 PM
That wasn’t me. I don’t respect Mexicans either. Just so you all know.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 3:50 PM
I really do treat people with respect. Unless you are asian. I really can’t justify the asians. Other than that, I treat people with respect. Oh, and croatians. They really don’t get it. So, to sum it up, I treat all with respect here on this blog except asians and croatians. And sometimes the French.
Asians, Croatians, and the French. Everyone else gets my respect.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 3:49 PM
The wife? That would be the incredible woman who grows, cans, bakes, cares for the baby, sends her husband to Darfur when hugely pregnant with their long-awaited child? The wife of the guy who runs a successful business with happy employees singing as they enjoy their free buffet lunch, hunts, fishes, grows crops, chops wood, and somehow still manages to spend all day every day on this blog?
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By: Evelyn on August 3, 2011
at 3:49 PM
Try this again, what’s with the wordpress thingy?
NOP – (do you think the wife knows?)
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By: Cynthia on August 3, 2011
at 3:46 PM
NOP – (do you think the wife ?
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By: Cynthia on August 3, 2011
at 3:34 PM
Honolulu Sally, our daughter- in law is from Korea, as are several siblings and their families. They now live in California, and they became citizens the legal way.
Our daughter-in law is a beautiful woman and she believes elders like my wife and I deserve the utmost respect, but if I showed her your post, she would erupt with unprintable expletives. Our nephew is from the Philipines, and he doesn’t think much of illegal aliens either.
Aside from the criminal element, I agree they are like us. Some of my wife’s students befriended a family of migrant workers who were here legally. They invited her students to a wedding in Mexico City and stayed in their middle class house with a two car garage. They earned the house doing stoop labor in the hot summer sun.
The Hispanics I know tend to have good family values, are religious, and socially conservative.Give them time to assimilate, and many of them will be Sarah Palin Republicans. The situation in California supports the opinion that many of the illegals just want to better their lives. They are leaving parts of California and returning to Mexico where the unemployment rate is 4% to 5%.
We assume most are from Mexico, but a number of them are from Columbia, Nicaragua Costa Rica etc.
That said, if they are here illegally, they are criminals in the same sense as if I get a ticket for a red light. Let them become citizens the legal way instead of jumping to the head of the line. As Mark Styne wrote in “America Alone” we need them here. We also need them to be legal.
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By: James on August 3, 2011
at 3:27 PM
I treat others with respect all day long, he who cannot be named. Sally and I did not get along at first but made peace. I only respond to those that attack first. I know in your eyes being non liberal makes me at fault no matter what, so be it.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 3:14 PM
Sally, Noah apparently still hasn’t looked up the snopes link that shows his twice-posted bleat is a fake and learn he fell for another lie. But I know you’ll look at it and realize there’s nothing to discuss about it. It’s just phony hot air.
I don’t approve of Noah being mocked, but it doesn’t surprise me. He does not bring out the best in people. Sow different, grow different!
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By: Anonymous on August 3, 2011
at 3:04 PM
Well to each their own Jon, If you feel that activity reflects something you can get behind go for it. The dev team is gone till Aug 15 so he gets to have his fun till then. Doesn’t slow me down just muddies up the board.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:56 PM
need to proof read more..those that choose to disregard those laws be deported.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:54 PM
I know I shouldn’t laugh about somebody stealing Noah’s avatar etc but that is so funny I about fell out. Dry or sand on it. Heheeheeeheee…
Somebody is expressing the frustration a lot of us feel.
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By: JonDon on August 3, 2011
at 2:54 PM
Not surprised to see (A) NOP so easily duped and (B) putting her support on this kind of harassment. It is the Liberal way after all.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:52 PM
Sally, The email address I used to create this name was created just to do that about a week ago and has never sent an email to anyone. This happened once before in another thread to me and a few other non Liberals. I went through 4 email address changes and changed my password a dozen + times. the last password being a3u4c37q7r1214ku75s and still they managed to have an exact copy of me. So at this point I have to believe there is something other than my email account and password at player here.
On the point of the post, I do not think it was speaking to the point if he won fair or not, but more to the point where historically we are heading. Those that for Obama and why spoke to the historical points of the original poster. I think it is accurate that we are coming to or have arrived at a tipping point of unsustainable.
As far as Mexican and immigration goes, it has nothing to do with the character of the people in question. That could not be further from the point. It has to do with the fact that we are a nation of laws and that we need to either enforce those laws and demand EVERYONE without question abide by those laws and enter this country legally, and that those choosing to disregard those laws, or take them off the books and open our borders.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:51 PM
I didn’t realize Noah was gay, “Why do you liberals fear us gays?”
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By: No One's Puppet on August 3, 2011
at 2:51 PM
Noah,
That is pretty schizo – those latest postings. So if it isn’t you who has the foul odor, it seems strange that they have the same avatar as you. Suggest you change your email address that you post with – if it is one that you have publicly on your own website. Or, post with a different email address. It was really funny though.
Regarding your latest real Noah post, Alexander Tyler surely died over a century ago, not in 2012, correct?
Also, though your Obama/McCain numbers may be true, Obama still won, fair and square. More square footage and number of little places can’t compare with big cities and their populations.
However, in 2000, Jesus’ best friend GW Bush lost in total number of people voting for him, and the last electoral votes’ result was based on Florida – with so much controversy and incompetence – it was a win for Bush that was crooked and fixed, IMO.
I am not sure I would call illegal immigrants criminal invaders. If their intention for entering the US illegally (sometime only option they know of) was to commit crimes against others, then, yes, they are criminal invaders.
My grandparents were from another country. The reason they came here was for better opportunity for their families. I do believe current immigrants have the same reason.
I also believe that immigrants do try their best to work, rather than figure out ways to beat the system and get benefits. They work for very low wages, and they work hard. If they are illegal, they also work under the radar, and thus pay $0 in taxes.
I also believe most of the beef is about immigrants from Mexico. In my travels to the mainland, I find that Mexican people are very civil and do good work. In fact, in the construction arena, they do great work. Many times, they do the work that we Americans don’t want to do, i.e. blue collar entry level stuff.
Granted, I have a different viewpoint from mainland people. Hawaii’s mix is not mainland-typical. If we have illegal immigrants here, they had to cross an ocean to get here, so they are few and far between.
Have to cut and run right now. Thanks for having a sense of humor,
Sally
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 3, 2011
at 2:39 PM
Anonymous, nothing personal but I stopped reading past the insults. Feel free to try again anytime you like.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:37 PM
to whomever wants to have a gay relationship with me…..do you want me to shove it in dry or put sand on it…..I aim to please….
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 2:37 PM
Noah, I didn’t realize I would need to spell out your error for you. Maybe you don’t read, or have comprehension problems? The snopes link shared above is a word for word copy of the stuff you posted. Twice. There is a minor difference. Your version used Obama and McCain. The 10 year old lie it was copied from used Gore and Bush. They didn’t even bother to change the numbers when they started circulating it this time. You think you’re so smart but you keep falling for being used to spread false information. FEAR is your problem. False Evidence Appearing Real. You have a lot of nerve calling people here sheep.
Oh the haterz on the librulz blogs! Where’s the wahhhhmbulance?
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By: Anonymous on August 3, 2011
at 2:27 PM
That was not me.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:23 PM
STOP THIS. This is not funny. I have a right to post my thoughts here just like everyone else even if I smell a bit.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:22 PM
I LOVE you, uawtradesman!!! What’s for dinner tonight? You with a little side of me, perhaps?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:20 PM
That was me.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:20 PM
Remember, the ratio of intolerant posts like yours to those of non Liberals is at least 20 to 1.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:19 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 2:17 PM
I think showing your I.D. should be mandatory if it already is not. I am even for having to show two types of identification and to confirm where I live. I would not be offended in the least.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:17 PM
I meant temperature. You know I hate typos.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:16 PM
okay, that was me. I’m trying to see if I can block this fool. Why do you liberals fear us gays? We can’t harm you. We are here to love. Can anyone debate at my level or must I go elsewhere to find people who can match my wit? By the way, the current tempature is 87 degrees with a wind coming out of the north at 20 miles an hour.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:15 PM
you get what you vote for
http://www.ajc.com/news/parents-defend-atlanta-school-1069715.html
and 4 wasted years
http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/02/debbie_wasserman_schultz_weve_really_begun_to_turn_the_economy_around.html
alaskapi…do you have a problem with showing your drivers license to prove who you are when voting……I don’t……I’ve had enough of vote early-vote often……what happened to 1 person-1 vote……..
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2011/07/A-Presidents-Opportunity-Making-Military-Voters-a-Priority
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 2:13 PM
Unlike last time this happened, I will not go silent, as I am sure this is what is intended by this joker. I will let Matt use his computer savvy skills to take out this Liberal nutcase.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:12 PM
Geez, are we back to this again. You can always tell when I hit make my most brilliant points this joker comes out to play. I guess I should be flattered I have effected him such he/she feels the need to stalk me. What is it Liberals fear so much about debating a conservative? I know the truth is hard to argue against but do you all need to be right so badly that you will condone this kind of activity? (Just as with voting, silence is support)
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:10 PM
There is no use trying to hide it any longer. uawtradesman and I have been in a gay relationship for the past 12 years. We love each other. Is that so wrong? If loving uawtradesman is wrong…I don’t want to be right.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:09 PM
Okay, that wasn’t me. I mean I know it was posted under my name but it was not me. Yes, I smell but I have a life. Somebody taking the time to steal my name to post is not funny. I will sue you if this continues.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:07 PM
To be honest with you folks, I don’t have a life. Posting comments here on Margaret & Helen’s blog is the only time I can “socialize” with others. I have a medical condition that causes my body to constantly have a foul odor. There is no treatment. So, all I can do is spend my day letting you all read about my ridiculous point of view about just about everything. Why should I be the only one to suffer from this god awful smell. Spreading the smell is what I do best. Peace.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 2:02 PM
MrSea…
your second sentence just proved that“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Go back and see post about Pelosi calling on pastors/priests to preach politics from the pulpit…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 1:47 PM
Not sure which Anonymous this is, and his verbose two word response does not leave many clues, as I am sure it was intended along with the name. That said it is either a reprint or a different document. I do not know enough to be able to tell either way so both are possible.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 1:25 PM
Thank you, Helen! Spot on, as always. Enjoy that gin and tonic and keep fighting the good fight.
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By: thatotherjean on August 3, 2011
at 1:00 PM
Fooled again.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp
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By: Anonymous on August 3, 2011
at 12:05 PM
Well that wasn’t much better but will live with it.
MrSea , Sorry you have such a disdain for the first amendment and so much love for intolerance. As with many others like you, you are being purposefully deceitful. It is not the non Liberals who are spreading hate and bile, it is you and your kind. We have dozens of posts on here and thousands on other threads to prove this point. the ratio of intolerant posts like yours to those of non Liberals is at least 20 to 1. Might want to fact check more, as it is better to be silent than to make a fool of oneself having not done the proper research.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 11:42 AM
Sorry that didn’t come together too well, lets see if this comes out better. Sorry in advance for the double post.
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts
from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for
the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with
the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal
policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of
history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations
always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
The Obituary follows:
Born 1776, Died 2012
It doesn’t hurt to read this several times.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul ,
Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the
last Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2
McCain: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
“complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
This is truly scary! Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Someone should point this out to Obama. Of course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The Constitution.
There couldn’t be more at stake than on Nov 2012.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 11:37 AM
Thank you, Helen, for a breath of fresh air without all of the Religious Incense or the Political Bull Droppings. I am looking forward to the day the Agnostics sue the various politicians in an effort to separate Church from State.
Despite the history behind the Constitution and the workings of the political system here in the United States of America, it seems to be the few, not the many, who shape the course of our great country. Then again, it only takes a few bad eggs to ruin a perfectly good pie.
There are more people who like what Helen writes than those who disagree with her. For those of you who disagree, please go and find a blogger that you like. There is no need for your hate and bile. You only hurt yourself. Please remember this, “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Helen, keep the faith, keep healthy, and keep telling things like they are.
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By: MrSea on August 3, 2011
at 11:35 AM
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some
2,000 years prior:
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts
from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for
the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with
the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal
policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of
history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations
always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
The Obituary follows:
Born 1776, Died 2012
It doesn’t hurt to read this several times.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul ,
Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the
last Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2
McCain: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
“complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
This is truly scary! Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Someone should point this out to Obama. Of course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The Constitution.
There couldn’t be more at stake than on Nov 2012.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 11:34 AM
Helen, when I grow up, I want to be you. Give me time, I’m only in my 40s, but I’m working on it.
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By: Kimberly on August 3, 2011
at 11:25 AM
Elsie, didn’t like the opinion piece so much. In true Liberal fashion it assumes the ignorance of the reader and I found it to be very condescending. I found the 1 line of history, 3 lines of personal commentary to be a distraction and hard to discern his point. It leads under a false premise that all right wing people are radical religious zealots and that everything about the Constitution was made by happy go lucky christian men handed down to them by God. The premise being foolish and purposefully deceitful makes his conclusions worthless and false.
He then turns to places like Yahoo to find posts from uncouth, uneducated, or whatever people he could find to make a predetermined point.
My favorite line: The Tea Party is pissed because their silly balanced budget amendment nonsense got dumped.
THERE WE ARE!. True Liberal ideology. Silly…balanced….budget. Can you believe that? Silly..balanced…budget. Why balance it? Our kids will pay for it so why bother. Sad. Truly sad.
The most ignorant line: The super committee, folks there are a hell of a lot worse things that could have happened.
Really like what? Obama declares himself Emperor and dissolves the congress? How short sighted is this comment? Do you think he has a clue how great a blow to freedom this is and how much power just got handed over to a select few?
Elsie, this is even beneath your meager standards. I had no idea you were so easily duped.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 9:13 AM
Harv, a good “almost” attempt at contribution. Sadly you were so general it just comes off as a raging rant. With very very very few exceptions Liberals are not contributing to any political topics. They engage the poster to make a personal attack on them but very rarely take on the subject of the post. I invite you to feel free to take me up on any of my political stances. All I ask is that you contain your responses to my thoughts, and leave the personal stuff aside. I will do the same.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 3, 2011
at 8:48 AM
“It truly amazes me how the right wingers always get their panties in a knot when someone who is not in their ideological morass comes back at them for their arrogant attacks on centrists, progressives, liberals, hell anyone who doesn’t believe as they do.”
well Harv…
It truly amazes me how the left wingers always get their panties in a knot when someone who is not in their ideological morass comes back at them for their arrogant attacks on centrists, moderates conservative and tea-partiers, hell anyone who doesn’t believe as they do.
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By: uawtradesman on August 3, 2011
at 8:42 AM
Ofesser=Pfesser. Sheesh. Please be assured if I ever decide to insult you it will be direct and not a play on words or thoughtless spelling …apologies.
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 8:38 AM
Ofesser-
“After you raise your kids, you are just competition for them in obtaining resources such as food, you have already passed on your genes, so nature has no reason to keep you around and a lot of reasons to kill you off.”
I’m being lazy AND in a hurry this morning- sorry.
One of the strongest responses against evolution theory at the time was that life-is-more -than-merely-survival.
Science had recently been dealt a nasty blow in that a couple generations of being sure a THE Answer to everything, a totally unifying set of primary understandings, was just round the corner collapsed with Einstein’s particle theory working just as well to explain some things about light as wave theory could explain some others.
It set off multiple chains in thought. Whitehead was reclaiming some of the usefulness of science as a human activity and reminding folks that there are other valid activities.
all-our-eggs-in-one-basket be it science, religion, or politics doesn’t work to describe Life or humanity or the world we live in.
perhaps a discussion on the Art of Life would allow us all to bring a lot more to bear on the questions we all have?
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 8:35 AM
Pfesser-
Perhaps the quote is too short or you are reading it too seriously.
Whitehead had a great sense of humor. His “process philosophy” might ring a chord with you.
He was present not only for the collapse of Newtonian physics but the rise and fall of the first Social Darwinist movement- there is some very real poking at the Social Darwinists going on in that quote as he prepares to argue the function of Reason. He was poking at Kant as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_North_Whitehead
In Native culture here, James- elders are revered . They pass the
knowledge . Here, they were and have been working hand in hand with scientists on climate change projects.
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By: alaskapi on August 3, 2011
at 8:10 AM
Pfessor, having old people around may have survival value. As far back as Neanderthals, tribes cared for their elderly. Besides baby sitting etc.they know things from the past which may be valuable to the group, especially during emergencies. I think it applies to animals too.
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By: James on August 3, 2011
at 6:38 AM
Grandmay Kate’s musings are wrong again, at least about me, when she thinks our wives take jobs to stay away from us. My wife and I met when we were teenagers. We didn’t have children for 11 years to make the honeymoon last. My wife retired from teaching in June, and we still enjoy each other’s company.
Genes and chromosomes are the real players. They live for thousands or millions of years while they use and discard their outer shells which are us, plants, and animals.
Harv, that is one of the most illogical comments I have read in awhile. If you want, I will explain why. I proved my bravery a long time ago. How about you?
I feel bad for you jacy. My wife and I have friends in your position.
Donna’s comments were wonderful.
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By: James on August 3, 2011
at 6:27 AM
Good stuff:
http://www.stonekettle.com/2011/08/so-you-hate-debt-ceiling-deal.html
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By: Elsie on August 3, 2011
at 6:24 AM
Harv –
I have tried it all ways, and none of it works except ignoring folks who get your goat. I have lectured – both sides, asked different folks to show some respect, explained that all name-calling does is to harden your opponent’s resolve, resorted to vicious counter-attacks myself. And one can win those exchanges, if you define winning as making the other person look foolish or shut up and quit posting, but I never felt good about it.
From my own personal experience, you have to just stop responding to folks who you think are being unreasonable. One can try responding maybe once to see what they do, but usually it just makes the personal attacks worse. (And I am NOT picking on anyone in particular; I have been as bad as anybody.)
One of my favorite pieces of literature is MLK’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail.” He describes the steps that one must go through if one is going to face police dogs and water hoses. One is purification: can you, in your heart-of-hearts, take blows without responding in anger? For if you cannot, you will give the opposition the right to say that THEY have the high ground and you will lose.
You don’t have to re-invent the wheel; this problem has been worked out a long time ago. It’s like JonDon said: there is no effective response except NONE. (Or Joshua: “Strange game, Dr. Falken. The only way win is not to play.”)
Not to get too philosophical this early, but that is just my .05.
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By: PFesser on August 3, 2011
at 6:21 AM
It truly amazes me how the right wingers always get their panties in a knot when someone who is not in their ideological morass comes back at them for their arrogant attacks on centrists, progressives, liberals, hell anyone who doesn’t believe as they do.
Whenever a person who is NOT a flaming rabid right winger, talks back, and serves up some of their own medicine, suddenly the liberal, progressive, centrist, whomever, are full of hate and have no ability to “debate”. Bull shit, pure and simple.
IF these right wing attackers in their arrogant attitudes can’t take a littel fight back, they should simply get the hell off the blogs, sit down and STFU yes to the trolls who seem to come to this blog simply to stir up agitation, pick fights and then castigate anyone who has the audacity to fight back and give them some of their own medicine.
Frankly, these people to use the words of one of the most smarmy trolls, take up space, but frankly, these asshats pollute the space. I don’t wish them any harm, but would love to see them in a room and observe how freaking brave they are then.
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By: Harv on August 3, 2011
at 5:41 AM
“The problem set by the doctrine of evolution is to explain how complex organisms with such deficient survival power ever evolved.”
I’ve never seen an “official” explanation for the differing lifespans of various species, but I always thought it evolved such that each generation was able to get its young raised to the point of self-sufficiency and then the older generation passed on. After you raise your kids, you are just competition for them in obtaining resources such as food, you have already passed on your genes, so nature has no reason to keep you around and a lot of reasons to kill you off.
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By: pfesser53 on August 3, 2011
at 4:48 AM
Why oh why can’t we get you into Congress? You’d do a far better job than the yahoos there.
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By: musings on August 3, 2011
at 2:32 AM
Jim Biermann, I think it is not so brave of an opinion to say it on a blog. I wonder if you would have that same conviction were you to take it to the outside world? What effect to you think this particular point of view would have on your career and on your friends and family?
You sound like a very naive and angry person to come up with such a simplistic answer to a very complex question. Regardless of what you believe Religion serves a purpose, most of the time a good one. Would you prefer people at large who need what Religion offers to read the Bible or the Uni-bomber manifesto? At the very least the Bible is a guide to living a good life and treating others in a positive way. I could think of a lot worse things people could be filling their lives with.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 2, 2011
at 10:37 PM
Bravo Donna!
It is insufficient to the question to simply dismiss religion and as faulty as ANY OTHER certainty based thought to proclaim some kind of claptrap about all-we-gotta-do-is-get-rid-of-x,y,z-and -humanity -will -be -a-ok.
I am an atheist- without God, not against God. I don’t need to spit on everyone around me to live with that.
I always loved where Whitehead started and how way down the road he made wonderful sensible arguments for God . I don’t agree with him but I do love his main point 🙂
“The function of Reason is to promote the art of life.
In the interpretation of this definition, I must at once join issue with the evolutionist fallacy suggested by the phrase “the survival of the fittest.” The fallacy does not consist in believing that in the struggle for existence the fittest to survive eliminate the less fit. The fact is obvious and stares us in the face. The fallacy is the belief that fitness for survival is identical with the best exemplification of the Art of Life.
In fact life itself is comparatively deficient in survival value. The art of persistence is to be dead. Only in-organic things persist for great lengths of time. A rock survives for eight hundred million years; whereas the limit for a tree is about a thousand years, for a man
( 5) or an elephant about fifty or one hundred years, for a dog about twelve years, for an insect about one year. The problem set by the doctrine of evolution is to explain how complex organisms with such deficient survival power ever evolved.”
http://www.brocku.ca/MeadProject/Whitehead/Whitehead_1929/1929_01.html
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 9:31 PM
another greay post! thank you, love your wisdom and let’s have some pie!
I’ve been unemployed for over two years, no fault of my own… company just shut it’s doors. i live in a small town and can’t find a job unless i’m willing to drive 50 miles, spend $65.00 in gas and work for $9.50 { part time)an hour with no benefits. I’m over 50 years old and deserve better!
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By: jacy on August 2, 2011
at 8:49 PM
outstanding! The most brilliant minds in recorded history have wrestled with issues relating to God and religion. Some of the most intelligent and informed people have been deeply religious. Mental powerhouses through the centuries have reconciled their secular knowledge and accomplishments, including about mathematics and science, with their faith. And yet, here, on a blog, there suddenly appears someone who is able to dismiss all of their reading and thinking and the works and beliefs of the greatest minds. Bravo, sir! It takes a truly astonishingly superficial mind to do so and I applaud the extent to which you are shallow.
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By: Donna on August 2, 2011
at 8:48 PM
Right on once more Helen! Couldn’t agree with you more. LOL Grandma Katie! I am still smiling at the thought of “the wives who go to work to escape their husbands”!
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By: Easier on August 2, 2011
at 8:42 PM
religion is for weak minded fools that cannot think for themselves…a psychological crutch to explain things in their world they cannot figure out because they are too simpleminded to think of a logical reason. god, santa, and the easter bunny all hang out in the same place…in crazy peoples brains….until we figure it out as a whole species and outlaw all religion in the world we will not move forward as a species….if you disagree with me fine, but know that you are delusional!!!
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By: Jim Biermann on August 2, 2011
at 8:11 PM
goodnight my friend.
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 7:28 PM
HaHAHAHAHA….
so we’ve both handled tons of shit…….goodnight my friend
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 7:16 PM
And I’m thinking Helen is attacking the hijackers…
Whatever was right about the tea thingy got hijacked pdq- at least here. The Joe Miller goof we had here, with SP’s blessing, is and was a stinker and for all the reasons Helen says… and he is a lying SOS also, too…
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 7:13 PM
uaw-
given I was the septic tank pumper queen for years I’ve pumped, shovelled, and gotten splashed by more shit than most folks see in a lifetime so I don’t need help there. You can, however, bring your rifle and shoot the &$#^&*ing stupenagle black bear which has stomped through my garden a half dozen times already this year.
I never learned to shoot anything except a bow, which ought to be right handy should you pinch anything else, my friend.
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 7:09 PM
OK Alaskipi…..I’d probably pinch your cheeks and plant a big kiss on your forehead…..maybe in a few years I’d pinch something else….and if you had a pen to clean out I’d help you shovel ….I can handle most shit….
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 6:49 PM
Sally….yes we’re in deep do do….
Helen likes to attack the tea baggers but is she attacking the part hijacked by Sarah and Michelle or the part started by Rick Santelli…..the same Rick Santelli that works for CNBC that is owned by NBC that is owned by GE that is run by Jeffrey Immelt who now works for Obama……the same Rick Santelli who condemned Freddie Mac and Fannie May and Barney and Chris…..the only one that doesn’t deserve to be hit over the head with a shovel and buried where they drop is Rick…..now the big banks are bulldozing foreclosed homes because they can get the tax deduction….WTF
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 6:43 PM
James-
” Obama the light master was a blank slate. Few people looked at his background, and they created him in their own image.”
At whatever level I agree that people saw what they wanted to , Mr Obama had a record in the Illinois State Senate which got flat ignored in the 2008 election. He showed up as a moderate there, took a lot of heat from entrenched balck leaders for not being-black-enough, and so on. He did fairly well for his constituents in that they returned him 3 times. He was no progressive even then.
uaw- you hang right here tire-kicker neighbor. Some days I’d like to pinch your face off over smarty pants remarks but most days , you are just my neighbor and , personally, if I needed help from a neighbor you’d be one of the ones I’d ask…
even though I’m a hippie commie liberal weirdo you’d likely like to pinch the face off some days… also, too.
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 6:22 PM
Cynthia and PFessor, I think you are right about the coming danger. Ragi all of Congress and the president should have appologised.
I should be worried or scared, but I am still numb because of what we still have here. About the first of June, the local government and Corps of Engineers told us our world was ending, and we would not see normality for months.
No one know what to expect. It was quiet desperation as farmers hauled their grain to the elevator as quickly as possible and towns built dikes. The neighborhood emptied and farm fields were abandoned for awhile. People moved away in less than a week.
Around June 12, the flood began to cross our farm west of the interstate. I drove through water for one last photograph of our neighbor’s house. He had died two weeks earlier, and his flag still flew over the garden.
A non- farmer may not understand the emotional tie one can have to a crop. It is almost like a child. You nurture it and hope it matures as well as your children.
I walked through the corn and soy beans for one last time and took pictures.
As I drove across a water covered road, I played
I was waking up on the end of the world
but its feeling just any moment before
Now I wonder what my life is going to be like when its gone
the cars are moving about a half mile an hour
I started staring at the passengers waving good bye
Can you tell me what was really special about me
all this time?
I started running but there’s no where to run to.
Say all your good byes to those you say good bye to
Well, I believe it all is coming to an end.”
How Far We’ve Come Rob Thomas and Match Box 20
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 4:48 PM
Thanks for the story of your car, Cynthia. Your mentioning it brought back memories.
We bought our black Anglia for $400.00 from a TSgt on our base. As soon as we paid for it, the government stopped paying me because of a mistake during my transfer to another base. The squadren took up a collection for us, but I told them we didn’t need it. They were shocked.
Our little ford had a heater and we carried a transistor radio for entertainment. The heater didn’t work very well. I remember driving to the base at 2 AM for ambulance duty. The frost was so thick on the windshield, I scraped a little hole as I drove.
We marked destinations on a UK road map and when we could, we drove to a new site. We were in Edinbourogh in mid July. We were walking around, and I suddenly felt tired. It was 11PM and still light. London is as far north as Winnipeg. Edinborough is roughly the same latitude as James Bay.
A scary time was on the northwest coast. We went up a five to one foot grade and at the time two cylinders were failing. I floored the car, and our top speed was only about 10 MPH. We were so stressed, we had to get out and rest when we reached the top.
I drove too close to the edge of a road and didn’t notice a ditch in the grass.We were stuck on the shore of Loch Ness and we had to wait for a truck driver to help us.
We were on a one way road between Ulapool and Inverness. A tire went flat, and since we hadn’t owned the car for long, we didn’t know the key to the trunk wouldn’t work. I had to remove the back seat and enter the trunk behind it. The spare tire was fine, but the jack was gone. Traffic was scarce, so after four cars passed by in an hour, I stood in the middle of the road and stopped one. The driver was a mechanic, and he put the spare tire on for us.
On another occasion, the car battery cracked in New Castle. We took it to a shop. The woman said we would have to wait a day for a new battery. She chewed gum and patched the leak before she poured water into the battery. It held until the next day.
Later, the man who sold it to us needed a car badly. When we left the base, we sold the car back to him for $100.00 more than he paid us. We loved our car as much as you seemed to have liked yours.
Your husband was a mechanical engineer? My father also earned a degree in mechanical engineering. He gave it up to save the farm after a car hit and killed his father. My dad’s life was sort of like Its a Wonderful Life.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 4:28 PM
Pfessor,
We are in a world of doo-doo. Sometimes I am terrified, sometimes I am complacent.
With friends, I sound like Chicken Little with the “sky is falling” and then have fun settling down and playing Texas Hold’em.
However, even though I fear the bigger disaster, it is not set in stone. Life does go on, and usually the fear mongering and hype do not occur, or does occur but not as severely as predicted.
Christians believe they will be saved in the end – I hope they are, as well as the non-believers. Blood in the streets – predicted. Just not their blood, they believe. I am not an atheist, but I also do not belong in “a” religion. God exists, just by a different name for everyone.
Argument gets us nowhere, but laughter sure helps ease the situation. There are many liberal comedians (i.e. Jon Stewart, Bill Maher) but very few conservative comedians. Except I suppose you could count Archie Bunker as one. I once had to endure Obama jokes by the Libertarian undeclared-as-yet candidate for President, Wayne Allyn Root. They were rather flat jokes, and if that guy runs, he will hand over the 2nd term to Obama, and ruin the Republican party at the same time.
It is Robert Kiyosaki of Rich Dad, Poor Dad fame. His book “Conspiracy of the Rich” was very scary. He does updates quite frequently with online posts. http://www.conspiracyoftherich.com/ReadTheBook/TableOfContents/current.aspx
More gloom and doom, and out of our hands. I come to Margaret & Helen’s parlor to have a pleasant (usually) break. In her 80’s, and delivering zingers that her grandson can appreciate. Such a hoot. I am glad to be on the same side as her. Makes for such a good place to visit.
Namaste,
Sally
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 2, 2011
at 3:55 PM
The Debt Ceiling Bill – if you find the whole bill written out the part you should be interested in is:
Section 402 Part 4 Subset 2
http://www.prisonplanet.com/super-congress-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-representative-democracy-and-freedom-as-we-know-it.html
Cloaked in the fear surrounding the debt ceiling and a possible default is the most dangerous legislation that America has ever faced. If this passes, the Super Congress will make the PATRIOT Act look like a just and fair law. When six Republicans, six Democrats and the President have complete control over the legislature, we need to be concerned.
The most frightening aspect of this proposed “committee”, inaccurate though the term may be, is the fact that lawmakers in Washington have already openly admitted the unprecedented power they will be afforded.
Referring to the Super Congress as a committee is a bit deceitful. Calling it a Supreme Council of Overlords would be a bit more accurate.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made this quite clear by announcing on the Senate floor that, “The joint committee – there are no constraints. They can look at any program we have in government, any program … It has the ability to look at everything.”
When this is made explicit and openly so, I think there should be some serious concern among Americans. The PATRIOT Act was not billed as an Act that would be used to detain and torture Americans and innocent people from around the globe who did not have any evidence against them. We only found this out after it was rushed into law.
The Super Congress, on the other hand, has already been exposed as a completely unconstitutional body that will remove the ability for anyone to filibuster a bill or amend it in any way. This gives 13 people the unprecedented power to push through any legislation without a single amendment.
This fact already has some groups up in arms, literally.
The Gun Owners of America released a statement summarizing how this Super Congress could easily be used to wipe out our right to bear arms.
As they outline, much of the unconstitutional gun control legislation has been killed in the House and Senate through filibuster and with the help of Speaker of the House John Boehner.
However, if the Super Congress is passed into law, the crucial ability to filibuster will destroy all impediments and highly restrictive laws like the United Nation’s small arms treaty could easily be put into law.
The larger question that looms over this entire issue is: what can they not pass?
Unfortunately for everyone in America, and the world for that matter, this Super Congress would have literally no limitations whatsoever. Every single controversial bill that has been filibustered or voted out could be pushed through. Let your imagination run wild, although be warned it likely won’t lead anywhere pretty.
from the Thom Hartmann site http://www.thomhartmann.com/
think for yourself it is not illegal yet.
Peace.
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By: Cynthia on August 2, 2011
at 3:50 PM
By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 3:07 PM
Excellent recap of the steps that got us to this point of disaster.
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By: Raji on August 2, 2011
at 3:23 PM
This is an interesting summary of the State of the Union
One lawmaker felt compelled to apologize to the American people.
“I can only imagine the anger and disgust they have,” said Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, “at witnessing a broken government and a president and members of Congress who can’t seem to even agree sometimes on what day it is, let alone to solve the nation’s debt crisis.”
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By: Raji on August 2, 2011
at 3:13 PM
Love the new post, Helen. Sure hope Margaret is doing well. I miss the “tag team” posts that you two used to do. Any chance of another one of those soon? We LOVE you both!!!
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By: Tina on August 2, 2011
at 3:10 PM
Helen, I sure hope to god you didn’t move to Dallas. Not only does it suck here but it has been hotter than hell for too many days. Gin and Tonic wouldn’t cut it here. Shoot.
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By: Thurl Ray on August 2, 2011
at 3:08 PM
Honolulu Sally –
Kiyosaki (sp?) – is that the Rich Dad, Poor Dad guy? If so, I’ve read all his stuff.
Sally, I think we are in a world of doo-doo here, and it was completely predictable – and in my view entirely the fault of the Federal Government. I have a feeling you haven’t seen anything yet; today’s Wall Street sell-off was a balmy breeze compared to the hurricane to follow.
It started with the lifting of regulations on Wall Street, thinking – once again – that “it is different this time” and we couldn’t get in the fix we got in during the ‘thirties. It then went on to social engineering by Congress, telling the lenders that they had to lend to people who couldn’t pay the loans back, so “everybody could own a home.” Then the lowering of interest rates to near zero by the Fed, fueling the bubble. Should people have known they couldn’t pay the loans? Sure, but that is not their area of expertise – if the bank loans the money it should be OK, right? Concomitantly we have two wars – now three. No problem with the cost; we’ll just do it all on borrowed money. And since Nixon took us off the gold standard there is nothing to keep them from printing more paper money. That was like taking the necklace off the ju-ju doll; now it can cut you to pieces. Jesus. What the hell is going on up there in Washington?
Every crisis is an opportunity. People have been SO afraid of amending the Constitution, but it needs to be done. There is no other way to put that collar back on Congress and the President. Term limits. Gold standard. Washington insiders will howl like broke-dick dogs, but we have to ignore them. The states can initiate constitutional amendments; now is the time.
And in the meantime we have to fight off lunatics like Bachmann, Palin, Perry to keep them from seizing this opportunity to push us toward a theocracy; by God, now THAT’s just what we need: broke AND enslaved. You wanna follow your man around, two steps behind, toting two kids on each hip, saying “Yes sir?” I wouldn’t want to…
We have to do these things. We just have to. Otherwise I believe this union cannot stand. I just hope we survive long enough to do it.
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By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 3:07 PM
It was my first car; I was 18 years old not living at home (mother in CA; father in NY) but it took so long to get someone to finance and insure I turned 19 before I got to drive it. I paid $1100 brand new. I had it for over 10 years and sold it. New owners drove it for a few years but we lost contact so I don’t know when it went to the junk yard. Looking through things recently I still have the paper work on it! It was named Baby Beatnic! Power blue, four on the floor – 0 – 60 in 2 minutes flat! You had a choice of radio or heater; of course in FL I went for the radio. Drove to Oklahoma in January, in Texas they sprayed the windshield and it frozen. Told me to turn on the defroster – yeah right. They had to look high and low for a scraper as I guess it was an uncommon cold spell for them. I had my FL dog with me who was absolutely freezing so I stopped to buy a blanket for her. After OK it made its way to Wisconsin in the back of a moving van. But it did not like the cold too much and my daughter and I got stuck one too many times. So with the below temps and no heater we suffered with extreme cabin fever. Once a Fuller Brush salesman came to the house and I was never so happy to see a live person I could have a conversation with, however he was a motor mouth and I couldn’t get a word in edgewise. Never opened the door to salesman after that. It made its way to New Jersey and eventually sold. Other than the WI cold it ran most of the time especially if my husband, the mechanical engineer by education only, stayed away from it!
Peace.
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By: Cynthia on August 2, 2011
at 2:46 PM
Pfessor,
Term limits, I vote for that. Trouble is, the ones who are in control of that vote are the ones in office. Are you, by chance, also a reader of Robert Kiyosaki?
UAW, dear grumpy friend, you still have the mastery of knowing how to push buttons.
Jacque Wayne, you have some good points, though some are also manipulations, as there always are depending what side you are on. At least you have cleaned up a bit for the parlor, as has Noah. You are in the concert of Helen, so STFUs should be expected if you go against the flow. It’s not a Liberal disease. It is just the way it is.
Sally
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 2, 2011
at 2:33 PM
Cynthia, how did you like your Ford Anglia? My wife and I had one when we lived in England. That thing was so durable it ran on two cylinders until we got it fixed. The man who sold it to us had been a training instructor for Jay and the Americans.
We have an old Ford Popular in a garage. My wife used to drive to school and it reminded us of the car we had in England.
My uncle owned a gas station and auto repair shop. I don’t think he was ever sucked into a gas war, but it would have been nice for us.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 2:02 PM
Cynthia, I was half joking when I wrote you should thank me for the food and ethanol. I also have mixed feelings about subidised ethanol, but since it exists and reduces the number of gallons of oil we consume it does some good. The Omaha World Herald discussed the energy consumed to make ethanol. Making it is more energy efficient than in the past.
If you assume the corn would have been grown anyway the energy used to grow the corn is neutral. The residue is converted to livestock feed.
I agree switch grass would/will be a more efficient source of ethanol. It is only a matter of time. Others are trying to create oil from garbage. Soy bean diesal is used now. We cannot sustain this because the world has too many people, and they are joining the middle class. They need more food, and they have already begun to bid the price higher.
NPR had a report on corn and its uses. It is practically in our DNA. I have qualms about corn as a sweetener. We will keep using corn until we have a viable substitute. It also helps pay our bills.
You are hemmed in by tall corn. So are we. You probably already know this. Corn sends huge amounts of water into the air, and it can add five or ten degrees to the heat index on some days.
I remember that carbureter . It was a wonder machine wasn’t it?
I remember gas for eighteen or nineteen cents per gallon. A gas war would be nice wouldn’t it. Sioux City had something close. A gas station gave free gas in appreciation of all of the flood workers.
When I was a boy we drove to the top of Mt. Evans (?) in Colorado. We were 10,000 or12,000 feet up and a gas station was there too. I think the price was four or five dollars a gallon. In those days, it was fantasy land.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 1:57 PM
In the ’50’s, these were gas wars with gas stations on every corner but just around the bridge area as I remember. A NY-NJ war so to speak. I was still stuck in the back seat at the time. In early ’60’s in FL, I had a English Ford Angelia(sp?) and could fill the tank for $1. but don’t remember how much a gallon. Also go to the station and borrow a $1 worth of gas until payday!
Peace.
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By: Cynthia on August 2, 2011
at 1:44 PM
Pfesser,
I agreed with everything you said but one. And it is an important disagreement. This…
The people are the ones at fault. In conjunction with the water carrying and corrupt MSM, they have elected the swollen toads of big daddy government who have literally bought their vote. Statistics say half the people on this board don’t pay a dime of federal income tax. Many of the guilty are right here on this board.
To show you how certifiably crazy these loons are, never forget one fact.
I am sick of being told we’re in a recovery at 9.2% reported unemployment with real unemployment much, much higher – when the MSM and the M&H hacks spent four years telling us the sky was falling at 5.5% or less under Bush.
I’ve got all the proof one needs from 2003-2007 documenting this.
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 1:28 PM
UAW –
“the teabagger candidates had to run against and beat mainstream republicans before they beat dems (and some lost)what are you going to do if after the next election the teabaggers have a majority in the house and senate…and maybe the presidency….”.
Yes you will hurt the evil Democrats, Liberals etc. But do you think they will create the perfect world? Do you really think we (evil Democrats, Liberals) are the only ones who will be hurting??
My momma told me to be careful what I wished for – God’s punishment was to grant you your wish.
Peace.
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By: Cynthia on August 2, 2011
at 1:26 PM
I believe we MUST do whatever is necessary to get term limits. These a-holes cannot focus on anything except getting re-elected and they do it by buying our votes with our own money. This mess is going to happen over and over. Go from six to eight years for senate, from two to four for congress, one term of six years for president. This HAS to happen. It has to.
correction on last post: should read “But gas going up is not…., not gas *not* going up…sorry. My bad.
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By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 1:24 PM
Cynthia –
I don’t remember 1 – 2 cent gas, but I do remember 30-cent, with one gas war of 15 cents. But gas not going up is not what is really happening. The value of the dollar is going down as the govt causes inflation by printing money. That has been possible since Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971. At that time gold was $35/oz. In ten years it was over 800/oz. Now it is over 1600. Gold holds its value; it is the dollar that is in the toilet. All the money I saved in trying to be a good guy and save for my kids’ education has lost most of its value – what a fool I was. I should have been spending it all on good times.
I’ve been reading economics the last month and in particular Milton Friedman. This was predicted, and the slide has begun in earnest today. I don’t know what any of us can do, but it is like what happens when ANYBODY gets underwater with debt. We are in a world of hurt. It is not the people’s faults. Our government has lived beyond its means and borrowed everything it could borrow and the time of reckoning is here. You know what happens when an individual cannot pay his bills; well, our country is now in the same position, and when the rest of the world realizes the shape we are in, the cost of borrowing from them will go ‘way up, making it much worse. I wrote last week about the onset of times like Weimar Germany; I fear they are here. Hope I’m wrong. God I really hope I am wrong.
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By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 1:20 PM
cynthia….about the cheapest I remember paying is 19 for gas and 9 for fuel oil….maybe it was cheaper in New Jersey than Michigan
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 1:14 PM
“The important thing in this world is not so much where we are but in what direction we are moving.”
HEY JAMES – I can not find your comment that you mentioned that ???? should thank you and other farmers for their ethanol. (I don’t think I dreamed it up.) Anyway, I am not sure I agree with you totally on ethanol made from corn. However I do believe corn should be removed from food products as I wonder if this is why we have an epidemic of obesity in this country. Nor is corn a natural feed for cows and horses etc.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/ethanol-facts1.htm
and more at Google.
There is debate as to how much energy and water it takes to produce ethanol. I have heard much discussion from the farmers in my area on this issue. I am presently surrounded literally by corn (feed) this time of year and cut off from any view of the world around me.
Switchgrass requires less fossil fuel expended on production. It grows quickly and easily on plains and is also resistant to drought and requires little, if any, fertilizer.
How ever the enzymes needed to create fuel are expensive but these problems are solvable.
When I was growing up and gas was less than 10 cents a gallon there was talk of a carburetor that would get 70 miles to a gallon. The patent was supposedly bought up by “OPEC” or a car company. Well if we can make a computer the size of pack of gum or put man into outer space we should be able to create a more efficient engine then we have now. Of course we would have to fight the oil companies and I say let’s do it Let’s ##$%^@ them to the moon.
I also remember on the Jersey side of the GW Bridge were gas wars where gas was 1 or 2 cents a gallon. Where is a good war when you need one?
Peace.
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By: Cynthia on August 2, 2011
at 1:09 PM
I agree NOP. Our leaders should put ideology aside, look at history and current condtions to see what works. It isn’t working now,
Jazzydee, for the third time, my wife and I own a farm so our home is where the work is. I also do computer work and just got another request. Its due tomorrow.
I’m working as I write this.
Our job is to counter balance the lies, misconceptions and half truths some people post here.
I have no time or inclination for a blog.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 1:07 PM
Jazzdee….I forgot…..I’m a minority….want me to start cussing you out in Magyar….
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 12:58 PM
Jazzydee, unwarranted personal attacks, contributed nothing on the topic or of merit…yep your a Liberal…heres your sign.
Harv, personally attacking posters, and not their ideas. Contribute no thoughts of merit, yep your a Liberal,,,heres your sign.
oldgrumpysteve, personally attacking posters, no productive contribution..yep your a Liberal…heres your sign.
Kiki, could you show us some facts that show the war has cost 14.3 trillion dollars? Could you show me how the stimulus and continued war under the messiah and health care added $0 of debt? Could you also explain how the 110th congress which was 100% Liberal Democrat run had nothing to do with providing the funds for these wars you blame Bush for? We all here know you won’t but thought I would ask.
Kiki, did you know that the unemployment numbers are only reflective of those drawing an unemployment check, and that those who use up and are still out of work are not counted? Town south of me has 25% unemployment. I know the real numbers, not just those drawing a check are a lot closer to that number than your myopic mind will consider.
Grandma Katie, personal attacks, posting for no other reason than to be mean spirited, Yep shes a Liberal…heres your sign.
Frank, nothing of merit contributed, personal attacks, yep your a Liberal…heres your sign.
I would like to take this opportunity to make a point thanks to Beauzeaux…she wrote
Haters hate. And they go out of their way to spew their nastiness in the nicest, neatest corners of the internet — mucking it up for the rest of us.
Now looking at the Liberal posters listed here, and what they said, unprovoked, who would you say fits this description better, the Liberals or non Liberals on this board. I rest my case.
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 2, 2011
at 12:53 PM
oldgrumpysteve….
I was here “kick’en the tires” before my wife died….
jazzzyde…..no I don’t have a job other than raising food(produce) to sell(you know …migrant labor type stuff….stupe labor….. shit that white people won’t do)….and taking care of my mother(86) and mother-in-law(90)…..and my retirement check…OH…and I’m white…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 12:52 PM
kiki…
the teabagger candidates had to run against and beat mainstream republicans before they beat dems(and some lost)what are you going to do if after the next election the teabaggers have a majority in the house and senate…and maybe the presidency…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 12:41 PM
Margaret, religion and politics are suffering from the same thing – Certainty.
Neither should have any and yet if you listen to the yahoos in the Tea Party you’ll quickly learn that they are full of certainty. Full of shit is more like it.
Religion is simply a matter of faith. Nothing more. You believe even without certainty. Therein lies the true beauty of religion.
Well Helen, we prescribe to two different Bibles. I am certain in my Faith. I am certain in my belief. It is that certainty that allows me to get through hard times because I am certain he would never give me more than I could handle. Your interpretation of the good book is yours and I wont knock you for it, so on this we will agree to disagree.
As far as certainty in politics. I think there is some minor truth to it but over all I want my politicians to act with a conviction that they know what they know, but are not so closed minded to think they have all the answers. I would hope we elect people that are already learned and have that sense of purpose and goals already going into the job and don’t spend too much time trying to find their political footing. I find an uncertain politician often is easily swayed and loses their course and forgets why they were put there in the first place.
I think you are probably a poor judge of character and are too bias to have any opinion of merit on the Republican isle. Your seething hatred for conservative values limits your ability to be objective and give a fair assessment of anyone who does not think as you do. You make claims on Bachmann and Perry that you could not possibly know, especially living in that myopic world of bitterness and intolerance.
I disagree that politics require compromise. I think compromise is a fundamental character flaw if you truly have beliefs and values. Would you compromise on rape and murder? Would you compromise on stealing or genocide? To be truthful, having read you for almost a year now, i believe you would on some of these, and that is where we differ.
I have no respect for the situational ethics that is required for compromise. I know conservative values are superior to Liberal values. I know living within your means is superior than to living in debt. I know teaching someone to be self reliant is better than making them dependent. A hand up will always trump and hand out. Despite what Liberals will tell you, if you really want to help people, making them dependent on government checks and health care is not the way to do it. Dependency breeds complacency and misleads one into accepting a lower quality of life.
If you had a drug addict, and you truly wanted to help them, do you take the Liberal approach and give him the drugs that will instantly make them feel better, or do you put that person into a program where he will suffer till he breaks the addiction? Then in another program that will teach him/her a skill and put him to work so he becomes a productive member of society, rather than a burden and a drain? If you truly cared for them, you would practice tough love. Not do what makes both of you feel good now.
Unfortunately Liberalism is all about instant gratification. What makes us feel better, but takes up less of our personal time. We have been living in a state of instant gratification, i.e. deficit spending. for a long long time, and the world is about to hand us our check.
You can agree or disagree with me as you like, but if you disagree, have the brass to step up and explain how this additional $2,7 trillion in deficit spending is good for us, and how it will not harm our children. Canada’s debt is 35% of their GDP. Ours is over 100%. Justify how you think we can continue down this path for even one second longer. Or just be a typical Liberal, attack me personally, and ignore the subject altogether. Anyone care to take a bet?
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By: noahwestmichigan on August 2, 2011
at 12:28 PM
Just like a Lib. Bringing the nine iron to a gun fight.
No wonder they can’t grasp the concept of broke, bankrupt or beat.
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 12:13 PM
Let’s all raise a glass of gin and tonic to Helen and Margaret! Cheers!
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By: Anonymous on August 2, 2011
at 12:13 PM
Love your spirit, Helen. Let’s get you a job as an expert commentator on CNN….
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By: mhalvor on August 2, 2011
at 11:59 AM
Excellent post poolman.
But I would probably use a nine iron.
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By: Harv on August 2, 2011
at 11:50 AM
There are real trolls on the internet. They are *not* people who just disagree with the blog owner. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. These people just post to get a reaction and are nothing more than abusers who have an audience that cannot get ahold of them and choke the shit out of them like they would in R/L. I for one am very tired of it.
This is very old but very good. If you are tired of the troll – who by the way is the same person but with a new name – here is what you do.
http://www.angelfire.com/space/usenet/
Remember if a troll gets ONE reaction you are off to the races again. Self discipline is the key. ONE reaction or one response is all it takes.
Fading back into the wood work.
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By: JonDon on August 2, 2011
at 11:43 AM
Grandma Helen, right on AGAIN! I love reading your blog. Just keep giving it to us “straight with no chaser.” I don’t drink gin and tonic, but some cognac on the rocks works just fine for me. Luv ya darling….You take care.
“Jacque Poolman”, “James”, and “uawtradesman,” do you people have jobs?? I can’t believe the number of times you clowns posted comments on Helen’s blog. You obviously have way too much time on your hands. GET A FREAKIN’ LIFE will you! OMG! Nothing wrong with posting a comment, but is it really necessary to post over 10? Why don’t you all start your own blogs…My goodness, you’re annoying as hell!
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By: Jazzydee on August 2, 2011
at 11:41 AM
All I know is, we need to set ideology aside, our fellow Americans need JOBS.
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By: No One's Puppet on August 2, 2011
at 11:33 AM
😆 😆 😆 😆
What are you going to beat we with to a bloody pulp? The mobile chair handle or the high heeled shoes? The lipstick container? Fruit of the Loom sock wrappers?
Look Harv the Rabbit. All you got to do is present a set of facts that meet something resembling the reality of a vote. It ain’t my fault you got your collective lying and failed asses handed to you last November in the historic rout. That was due to your abject failure and that of your inane and helpless leader. You had your shot and you blew it. Doesn’t matter how many lies or distortions you present here. You got beat – blown out of the water. Be a man and face the music. The worm has turned. 😉
When you walk out of your house today Harv, bellowing about your professed badass routine while we snicker behind your back, try to remember as you look left and right, those two people think you’re a crackpot and a tool. Not even competent enough to be defined as useful idiot.
You take up space.
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 11:24 AM
Thank goodness, my scrolling finger h as healed up! It has been getting a workout.
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By: Grandma Katie on August 2, 2011
at 11:04 AM
oldgrumpysteve, I couldn’t agree with you more. Both of these trolls are simply here to stir up bull crap. They are in that group that represents the worst of the teabagger assholes. On two other blogs we had scumbags like these two and had to finally ban them, because they couldn’t associate with human beings, them being trolls and all. Funny thing about people like these two, put them in a room with folks like us and they suddenly become less of an abrasive commentary creep. Probably afraid and rightly so that in person, making these asinine and vituperative slurs they would have their asses handed to them in a bloody pulp. This poolman is probably just that, someone who would be at the peak of his professional skills to come and clean my pool. But no dice, I don’t allow tea baggers near my house, are on my property. Pollution controls you know.
IT would be interesting to see if these idiots ever got their information from a real source of data, instead of false bull feces from Fox News and that Moonie Rag, the Washington Times. Probably not, especially since many of these more unbiased sources don’t have pictures…..
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By: Harv on August 2, 2011
at 11:03 AM
Shoot, we love them too. It’s their chronic, lip licking sycophants we hunt for game.
Ever heard the term slow, fat rabbit Grumpy? How about low hanging fruit? And the fact it’s fun to fire fact bullets at your collective flippers stuck to the thin ice, and hear you bark when asked questions you have absolutely no idea how to answer. Arf! Arf!
That, and the fact we’re sociopaths. 😈
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 10:53 AM
Wondering if “uawtradesman” is actually a member of UAW and what he thinks about the attacks on unions.
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By: Kathy on August 2, 2011
at 10:49 AM
WORD !!!
Jeanne
http://ev68354.wordpress.com
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By: ev68354 on August 2, 2011
at 10:37 AM
oldgrumpysteve
This might be your answer.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
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By: EMax on August 2, 2011
at 10:33 AM
Wonder why trolls like “Jaque Poolman” and “uawtradesman” seek out this blog. Hey, dickheads, if you don’t like “Margaret and Helen”, don’t read it! We love ’em.
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By: oldgrumpysteve on August 2, 2011
at 10:20 AM
I see you went to the Helen Philpot school of math and economics too? Summa Cum? That was the finest rant of lies I’ve witnessed here in quite some time. Also minored in Harry Reid?
Um, we won the “unwinnable Iraqi War” Dinkie. Remember? As far as the other “unwinnable” war in Afghanistan Dinkie, President Stickman told us that was the “good” war. He then proceeded to half again increase the troops after dithering, and increase U.S. casualties by 500% under his watch, while ignoring the General who oversaw the Iraqi surge and fired his hand picked General on the grounds the General called President Stick and V.P. Joe incompetent. 🙂 P.S. – GITMO is still there.
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Let’s do some basic mathematics once again for the
flunkiesgraduates of the Helen Philpot School of Mathematics. When President Stick took over in Jan 2009, he promised during the campaign he would halve the deficit in two years. He then tripled the annual deficit in his first year and has escalated the 2010-2011 debt to $1.65 trillion – a new record. With the addition $2.5 Trillion we just allocated for Bozo’sineptnessbenefit, that should put Zero’s deficit just a little over $6,000,000,000,000.00 the U.S. will have accumulated during Jug Ears first term (and hopefully his last). Congratulations Kiki.Why are we bombing them? For grins?
Unfortunately real unemployment is at about 20%, 1 in 6.5 people in America now receive food stamps, and if that 72% number is correct, perhaps you can explain Dinkie why your party just lost 69 seats, with historical routs in the state houses across the nation, or that about 2/3 of the attorney generals in states have sued to overturn Obamacare? Because it is so popular?
Then why you riled up sister? You ought to be celebrating. Have another drink and a quick nooner.
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 10:05 AM
Kiki, I believe the 20% figure includes people who have stopped looking for jobs and are no longer counted. A few months ago more jobs were created, but the official unemployment rate fell very little, and then rose.
Economists noted that more hope for a job let some who had given up to start applying and thus re- enter the job market. They said until the back log of non- applying workers worked itself through, the unemployment rate wouldn’t change much.
I believe one could also include under employed people or part timers who can’t find a full-time job.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 9:56 AM
[…] Voters put a lot of teabaggers in the House in the last election. As Helen Philpot observes (in another post that’s recommended reading), You get what you vote for. […]
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By: Maintaining Perspective « From Pine View Farm on August 2, 2011
at 9:54 AM
That’s funny uawtradesman. I think about you and hope you are all right.
Elsie09, I don’t know how many Tea Party members bought the birth certificate issue. Not all did. Leftists get just as crazy as the right.
Why did Tea Partyers refuse to acknowledge the previous adminstrations’ debts? Because some are hyprocrites. Others didn’t like Bush and his spending, but current deficits became the last straw.
Yes, tax revenues fall during recessions and rise during good times. Contrary to what the Democrats and bi- coastal media told us, tax cuts do enhance revenue.
Micheal T Griffith (The Facts About Tax Cuts, Revenue, and Growth) from Federal Budget Data, Data 360 Unemployment US, and Total Economy Database. Revenue increased from $1.78 trillion in 2003 to $2.56 trillion in 2007. The recession took it down to $1.45 trillion in 2008.
After 2003, the rich paid a higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had the previous forty years. The New York Times described the extra money as a surprise windfall. In September, 2008, the Wall Street Journal wrote that US output had expanded faster than in most advanced economies after 2000.
The Washington Post wrote in January 2009, “Economy Made Few Gains in Bush Years,” though they acknowledged 52 straight weeks of job growth. I think the average unemployment rate during Bush’s terms was about 5.6% That includes high unemployment during the two recessions. The New York Times wrote in 2007 that the unemployment rate was down to 4.7%.
Had these numbers happened during Obama’s administration, he would have been running victory laps and Michele would be choosing new draperies for the second term.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 9:45 AM
I always thought the line that best represented, courtesy of the Dimocratic party was:
“Besides that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?”
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 9:45 AM
“Then why are you whining? These baby legislatures didn’t create a $14.3 trillion deficit, 20% real unemployment, failed trillion dollar stimulus, a healthcare program nobody wants and will soon be rescinded, an unapproved war in Libya and Yemen.”
Wow, can you actually learn to live in reality? Obama didn’t create the $14.3 trillion deficit, your Republican party did when that moron was president by starting two unwinnable wars without an exit strategy. Employment is not at 20% despite what that criminal Murdoch says through Fox News. The stimulus saved both the auto industry and the banks. 72% of us want that healthcare program and we’re not at war in either Libya or Yemen.
And the fact that you actually think that Boehner WON that ridiculous fight that the moronic teabaggers and the rest of the Republicans started really does show me that you’re not quite all there.
Sorry for feeding the troll, everyone.
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By: Kiki on August 2, 2011
at 9:42 AM
I Don’t Belong to an Organized Political Party. I’m a Democrat
Will Rogers
“The problem with Democrats is that when you tell them to form a firing squad, they stand in a circle.”
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 9:23 AM
I agree Mageen. We already have at least four political parties posing as members of the Democratic and Republican parties. We don’t want to be like France or Italy.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 9:12 AM
Alaskapi, Obama the light master was a blank slate. Few people looked at his background, and they created him in their own image. Keven Drum didn’t know what he was getting, and now, he has buyers’ remorse.
Jacque Poolman, liberals often say the government needs to create jobs don’t they? Schools need to be teaching economics to fifth graders.
Elsie09, Republicans were given a mandate to cut expenses, and their supporters regarded lower deficits as job creators. Lower budgets would create conditions for more private sector jobs. Not one legislator can create a private job unless he/she personally hires someone. Thus, the mandate was reducing expenses.
I’m not disputing your numbers, but here is what I found.
According Micheal T Griffith, the Treasury Department says the debt was $10.6526 trillion when Obama took office. It reached $13,665 trillion by October, 2010. The debt increased by $4.9 trillion during Bush’s two terms. In October, the administration projected the national debt would soar to nearly $16.5 trillion by 2011. That is at least 100% of the value of our economy and $5.9 trillion higher than the on the day President Obama was inaugurated.
The numbers are less important than the trajectory, and we cannot sustain such a debt in the long run. Yes, other presidents and Congress created huge debts, and they should bear part of the responsibiity, but we have reached the point where blame really doesn’t matter any more. What matters is that we control our spending before we are lost.
It will be hard and many of us will suffer as people in countries like Greece are forced to live under harsh conditions. Even Britain is considering rationing health care for several non- lethal conditions. We cannot afford the future..
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 9:08 AM
Thanks for the link, Paige!
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By: delurkergurl on August 2, 2011
at 9:08 AM
And what would that be Jane? I’d surely like for you to define that for us Teabaggers.
The Nanny State? The Behemoth? The Benevolent Granddaddy cradle to grave? The Bill of Rights in its simplest form is nothing but a set of restriction on the growth and power of the Federal Government.
And now you want to try and tell me with a straight face that is the Progressive interpretation too?
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 9:02 AM
maybe we all should read the Federalist papers…….the militia used to be every male over 16 and under 60(except felons)and required to have gun, powder, shot and practice…… so why isn’t gun safety and handling a required course in school and because of equal opportunity girls should have to take the class also….
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 8:56 AM
Then why are you whining? These baby legislatures didn’t create a $14.3 trillion deficit, 20% real unemployment, failed trillion dollar stimulus, a healthcare program nobody wants and will soon be rescinded, an unapproved war in Libya and Yemen. Too bad your progressive savior can’t say the same, hey? YoMama’s economic program is cash for clunkers.
If he’s an ineffective drunk, what does that make the Stickman for President? Because the ineffective drunk just whipped Stickman at his own game. Whipped him badly. O’Zero’s own neighborhood just surpassed Afghanistan in 3rd world safety. Taken a cruise through south Chicago lately? Stone age…
Face it loons. “Teabaggers” now outnumber mindless progressives at least 2-1. Probably more.
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2011/08/america-held-hostage-41-self-identify.html
Your days are numbered and your future bleak. 😉
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 8:54 AM
PLessor….
yes I see separate in the letter from Jefferson…….I didn’t know that that letter was a law though…….what I saw in the 1st amendment was Congress shall make no laws establishing or prohibiting a religion…….even Obama says there’s gray areas ( should an atheist be allowed to sue a church because they say a prayer before getting a free meal in the church cafeteria) or(should a Catholic be allowed to sue a Jewish food bank for not hiring him/her)
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 8:45 AM
uaw- LOL!
is true… 🙂
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 8:41 AM
“From now on, when someone new comes to congress, they should first take a test which is comprised of questions on economics, the constitution, U.S. history, and social structures. They must answer by thinking critically. If they get anything below a B-, they should be required to take intensive 6-week courses in these disciplines.”
I agree. In my state every new lawyer has to take a course of basic skills to make sure that they have, at least, the basic understanding of how our courts work, basic professionalism and resources available among other things. It helps to protect the public.
This current crop of baby legislators have no clue how things work and have accomplished nothing. Then again, this is what happens when you have a Speaker of the House who is an ineffective drunk.
And Helen, thanks for posting often, please keep it up as much as you can. Your words of wisdom are spot on.
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By: Kiki on August 2, 2011
at 8:34 AM
Puzzlement here. Really. Those who envision a third party (TEA) in the mix should also realize that experience abroad with multi-party governments has not been that hot. A third party usually engenders even more parties. Further, such governments usually have to function via coalitions. Can you imagine the give and take that would require? And, get this. Multi-party governments are revolving doors usually based on a vote of confidence. Check out Great Britain, at least. If this country gets major headaches over national elections as currently done, try coping with a call for a new national election even as early as six weeks or six months after a government has been sworn in. But then, there are always those who get what they want.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 2, 2011
at 8:33 AM
PFesser
It’s one thing to read the Constitution and another to understand it and apply it in today’s world. Many people lack understanding as to what government is and what its function is.
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By: Jane on August 2, 2011
at 8:33 AM
uaw-
http://ratify.constitutioncenter.org/constitution/details_explanation.php?link=122&const=08_amd_01
Pfesser- even strict constitutionalists should be reading the Federalist Papers amongst others. The human tendency to imbue mere words with meaning aside from context has bitten all of us in the hiney more often than not. http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/federalist.html
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 8:32 AM
someone finally read the note….teabaggers are now terrorists….. (thanks Joe)…..Helen: I’ll join you for a gin and tonic…..the horseshit is getting deep….
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 8:27 AM
UAW Tradesman – re: separation of church and state
Jefferson’s Letter to the Danbury Baptists
The Final Letter, as Sent
To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.
See any form of “separate” in there?
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By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 8:22 AM
President Obama is not a progressive…..sure had me fooled….
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 8:20 AM
Helen, one of my FB friends posted this article. I thought you might like it. http://memspoliticalscrapbook.blogspot.com/2011/08/stop-your-whining-and-fix-your-mistake.html?spref=fb
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By: Paige on August 2, 2011
at 8:20 AM
delurkergurl, I took a look at your most recent link about “Right Wing and Debt Ceiling Extortion” and sorted through it to boil it down to this rather lengthy bunch of excerpts. There’s a lot of truth in them. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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… If the Republicans were issued a mandate, it was for job creation. That is what the Republicans campaigned on, not “fiscal responsibility”, “smaller government”, “lower taxes”, “destroying unions”, or even bringing our economy to the brink of collapse to force a dialogue of their choice.
… Though records go back to the Roosevelt/Truman administration, and the following will still hold true, let’s focus only on the past thirty years. Ronald Reagan increased the deficit by $1.85 trillion, George H. W. Bush increased the deficit by $1.48 trillion, Bill Clinton increased the deficit by $1.42 trillion, George W. Bush increased the deficit by $6.13 trillion, and Obama has increased the deficit by $1.65 trillion by 2010. Or in other words, Republicans have raised the debt by $9.46 trillion and Democrats have raised the debt by $3.07 trillion. Though we must be honest enough to acknowledge that both parties have contributed to our debt, there simply is no equivalency between the how much each party raised the debt. The Republican Party has raised our national debt by a ratio of 3:1.
The Tea Party makes the claim that they were established “to counter the runaway spending of our national government.”
…And if it is true that the Tea Party’s complaint was about “runaway spending”, how does Tea Party members calling Obama an illegitimate president and demanding to see his birth certificate relate to governmental spending? And if these protests were truly about the deficit, why do they refuse to acknowledge the burden of debt laid upon us by the previous administration?
Both the Republicans and Tea Partiers falsely equate lower taxes to job growth. Their argument over permanently extending the Bush-Era Tax Cuts was only through certainty would businesses increase hiring rates. Yet these tax cuts have been in effect for over ten years now. By their logic, the lower tax rates should have produced a record breaking amount of jobs. But there is a clear lack of evidence to support this theory.
…During times of recession, tax revenues decrease as unemployment increases. This is a statistical fact. Our previous administration’s Tax Cuts were unevenly distributed, highly favoring tax cuts for the wealthy, twice! Again, this is a statistical fact. Both of these factors effect tax revenues, and yet the Republicans claim, “We’re broke!” and “we have a spending problem.” Yes, we have a spending problem in that we are spending more than we are taking in. But it is dishonest to suggest that tax cuts or the recession does not contribute to the “spending problems”. If we truly wish to balance our budget, then we must address the affordability of tax cuts. And if we are serious about reducing the national deficit, then there is no other course of action to take except to raise taxes to an amount more than our spending.
…Both the Republicans and the Tea Partier are holding our economy hostage until we meet their demands. This is no different than how they held the Unemployment Extension Bill hostage for the Bush-Era Tax Cuts. This is not Democracy in action; this is extortion!
And this is what the Republican and Tea Party leadership has brought us, extremist ideologues who think nothing at using terrorist tactics to force their agenda. Their refusal to compromise is as incensed as the Taliban. They resort to anything to force their will upon the rest of us despite only representing a minority of the populace.
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By: elsie09 on August 2, 2011
at 8:18 AM
Wow, Jacque. You have a great imagination! I bet you could write poliitcal thrillers. It’s OK to make up stuff in fiction.
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By: Jane on August 2, 2011
at 8:17 AM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I don’t see the word SEPARATE in there……
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By: uawtradesman on August 2, 2011
at 8:15 AM
James and Corie-
President Obama is NOT a progressive so it’s unlikely he would ever push for a progressive agenda. Mr Drum should turn in his liberal credentials if that escaped him in 2008. I saw it then. Couldn’t stand the idea of Mr McCain as Pres with what he has turned into in last 20 years but did not fool myself that Mr Obama was a progressive. When he hired Daley …well, folks should have been paying attention.
Mr Obama is a product of 30 years of neo-liberal economics (nothing to do with political meaning of liberal ) as anyone of his generation is.
He’s a bit left of Mr Bush but not much.
Pfesser- have to remind myself getting whatzername gone really is a plus to be continually thankful. Don’t think we’re totally shed of her though with latest gossip about SP’sAK maybe being revived… yech.
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 8:10 AM
Jane –
Sorry, free associated myself right out of business there…the point I was going to make was that I have maintained for years that in order to take office after being elected to congress, one should have to recite the entire Constitution, including punctuation. Anything less than 99% accuracy would be disqualifying. And to keep one’s seat, he should have to repeat the process once every year.
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By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 8:08 AM
How did you miss these, may I ask? 😯
Anti
Christian
Litigation
Unit
Do you live on Mars or the Moon?
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 8:06 AM
James,
There are many things progressives don’t understand. For instance, you cannot spend more than you make for extended periods and remain financially healthy. Or that Obama isn’t terribly bright and has always been in over his head, even as Senator. His own state is in disarray and corrupted.
But if there is one point that drives home more than any other how deluded these poor, dumb fools representing the Left really are, it’s their demand for government to “create more jobs.”
All government can do is reallocate resources. Government is a destroyer of wealth through reallocation, burden and regulation, not a creator of wealth. The larger the government, the smaller the private sector that supports it. The smaller the private sector, the fewer the number of aggregate jobs in the macro economy.
And progressives still have not figured that much out.
How can we possibly expect them to help tackle complex issues like health care, geopolitics, radical Islam’s drive to a Caliphate, taxes, and regulation when they don’ t even understand the basics?
It’s like attempting to teach trigonometry or calculus to preschoolers. Futile. But you keep hoping a kernel or two sticks some place for future use.
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 2, 2011
at 8:00 AM
Jane –
I had a prof. of engineering who was on the search committee for a new president of the college. He and I were about the same age, so I used to stop by his office to chat occasionally.
He told me, “You know, they won’t let me ask my question.” “What question is that?” “Well,” he said, “if you are applying for a job as president of an engineering college you should know a little about what you are doing. I wanted to ask her, “If two trains start out on the same track, one going north at 45 mph and a second going south at 65mph, etc. etc.”
“They told me it was disrespectful. Bull. I think they were afraid she couldn’t solve it.”
LOL
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By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 8:00 AM
Helen, I just flat out adore you. Your no-nonsense attitude, hardy spirit and willingness to embark on new adventures are inspiring. Every new blog post is a treat. I generally stay out of the comments b/c my brain, she explodes so easily, but I just wanted to add one more voice to the chorus of support. May your shadow never grow thinner.
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By: harrietw on August 2, 2011
at 7:59 AM
From now on, when someone new comes to congress, they should first take a test which is comprised of questions on economics, the constitution, U.S. history, and social structures. They must answer by thinking critically. If they get anything below a B-, they should be required to take intensive 6-week courses in these disciplines.
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By: Jane on August 2, 2011
at 7:54 AM
I have been waiting for years for someone to smack a law suit on people mixing church and state together.
There is a law church and state are SEPARATE but some people are telling every one that GOD TALK TO Them etc.
this needs to be stopped now. Don’t be pushing YOUR God down anyones throat. I don’t so respect me.
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By: VIE on August 2, 2011
at 7:47 AM
Corie, Keven Drum wrote ” :Public opinion is everything. Ronald Reagan was successful because public opinion supported him…He was leading in a direction they already wanted to go.”
That’s why I blame the broad liberal community for our failures, not just President Obama. My biggest beef with Obama is the same one I had three years ago, namely that he’s never really even tried to move public opinion in a specifically progressive direction.”
Public opinion also explains why Republicans have been unable to get meaningful spending cuts or entitlement reform. The problem is not that the public doesn’t support big government, it is they don’t want to pay for it.
None of our leaders can create anything besides government jobs. They can only influence conditions to make private jobs more or less likely.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 7:39 AM
So when in the heck are Democrats and Progressives ever going to get a darn backbone? They have been giving away our rights in Washington for a very long time. Stop their paychecks until they create even one job. That is all they should be working on, the economy and jobs. Should have had a clean debt ceiling bill and then on to creating jobs. If it takes government stimulus, so be it. Time some of these idiots start reading Krugman’s columns.
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By: Corie on August 2, 2011
at 7:17 AM
alaskapi –
Wow. That surely is scathing, isn’t it? Thanks – I’ll forward that to Leah and others.
Don’t feel too badly about your rep. You guys are doing OK – you got rid of Snowdrift Snooki, didn’t you? Sent her to Arizona or somewhere?
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By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 7:15 AM
Pfesser-
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/08/%e2%80%9cthe-response%e2%80%9d-promises-toxic-mix-of-racism-and-bigotry/
Helen- Thank you!
Not always , though.We still have the same old Rep in the House my neighbors vote for over and over.
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By: alaskapi on August 2, 2011
at 6:59 AM
PFessor, I don’t know either, but “e’er” looks better to me.
Delurkergurl, I I couldn’t get the link, and then Firefox crashed. Judging from the “right wing extortion”, I can guess. The Obama administration wanted to keep spending us out of recession and raising our taxes.,He did not give lip service to reducing spending until after the last election.
The Tea Party Republicans were elected for one thing, to reduce spending. Some believe so strongly they will accept defeat in the next election because they think this issue is more important than their careers.
Both sides were using “extortion.” Its how politics work. The difference this time is the conservatives held firm. Remember Obama and the Republicans had reached a tentative agreement including taxes, but Obama raised the anti, and the deal collapsed.
The president said no deal might mean old people would not get their
Social Security checks. Maybe not, but they and government creditors stand at the head of the line. The government would have gotten enough money to pay the checks, even with default
He, Democrats, and some Republicans said our world would end if we didn’t have an agreement by August 2. Some economists set the day of doom at August 9. That in its way was fear mongering and extortion. Its just politics. Not reaching an agreement would have been a disaster. Since right and left are unhappy with the result, it shows both sides compromised.
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By: James on August 2, 2011
at 6:31 AM
I hate to be fussy, but I think it should have been e’er and not e’re in my post? Any English majors out there?
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By: PFesser on August 2, 2011
at 5:56 AM
Thanks for the great links, Elsie. This one is good, too. I tried to share it yesterday but it’s getting caught in the filters, so I’m going to try breaking it. Remove the *s. Straightforward myth busting.
http://www.addi***ctinginfo.org/2011/07/31/right-wing-and-debt-ceiling-extortion/
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By: delurkergurl on August 2, 2011
at 5:42 AM
Thanks, Helen!
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By: delurkergurl on August 2, 2011
at 5:27 AM
Bravo! Nailed it perfectly.
I take absolutely nothing away from Rick Perry as an architect of a super business climate; the boobs in Washington could well learn a thing or two from him about economics 101, but it is well worth a good look at Perry and his ties to the Dominionist movement. For those who aren’t familiar it is worth the time to do the research.
Leah Burton is coming out shortly with a book that delineates the ties between the various players in this little conspiracy to fill the govt with Christian warriors – whose whole purpose is to “bring America back to God.” (That’s code for moving us e’re closer to a Christian theocracy.) Guess who their major player is – you guessed it – Rick Perry.
I’m a lifelong atheist, so my credibility may be not so good on this subject, but ask Poolman about it. It is not only a tremendous threat to our Constitution, but to Christianity in America as well.
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By: Pfesser on August 2, 2011
at 5:13 AM
Helen, thou sayest it!
Religion as a topic of discussion is off limits at the office. This policy was necessary when it was noted that nothing was done on time or up to par when there was such “discussion”. Politics comes in a half a point behind this. Since this policy was enacted there has been a complete and positive turnaround and even people farthest away from us have noticed it and sent their compliments. Morale has never been higher.
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By: Mageen in Old Virginny on August 2, 2011
at 5:01 AM
UAW, Glad to see you are the same grumpy ole’ uncle on the porch. Sorry to hear about your wife.
All of our lives are moving along with so much change.
Namaste,
Sally
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 2, 2011
at 2:50 AM
Helen, as usual, you have hit the nail on the head with this one. We really do need to stop confusing the purposes of religion and politics. They are not the same and they do not mix – and we shouldn’t try to mix them either.
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By: eeyore on August 2, 2011
at 12:08 AM
Great post, Helen! The asses and the trolls continue their haranguing, but it’s only music to my ears. The truth always makes them angry. Keep on speaking the truth, for the truth shall prevail. The truth shall set us free.
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By: Mariah on August 1, 2011
at 9:55 PM
I agree Jacque and it is all documented.
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By: James on August 1, 2011
at 7:57 PM
Frank, what is a blow whole?
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By: James on August 1, 2011
at 7:55 PM
Clinton was a benefactor of tech bubble and Y2K scare dramatically increasing revenues for a brief time. He also had a Republican Congress that three times dragged his fat ass to the table to sign Welfare Reform. He finally signed and took credit.
Pure serendipity, that was falling apart before Clinton even left office. Doubt me? The NASDAQ was almost twice what it is at this minute. A facade, like the lying serial rapist and pedophile for President named Slick Willie.
Nancy Pelosi entered as head of the Congressional House in 2006 with $269 billion annual dollar deficit, gas at $1.90 a gallon and unemployment at 4.6%..
As of today, the annual debt stands at $1.65 Trillion and real unemployment at around 20%. DId I mention the average gallon of gas is about $3.80?
And you’re wanting to tell me us liberals have nothing to do with adding $4.5 trillion to the deficit during Obama’s horrendous reign, though they controlled all facets until Jan of this year?
Liberals have really selective memories – and undoubtedly really short memories too.
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 1, 2011
at 7:54 PM
Hi Page.
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By: James on August 1, 2011
at 7:52 PM
Grandma Katie, I wrote in the other thread that I live on our farm. I also do computer work. If you eat or drive a car, thank the farmers including me.
You would do a lot better with thoughtful discussion instead of making personal attacks. Look at the previous thread and see how well we got along together. To be fair, given the circumstances, slurs may be all you have . Your case is weak, Grandma.
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By: James on August 1, 2011
at 7:49 PM
Shash is right up to a point.The government did tighten spending rapidly and helped slow down the economy. If we actually cut spending now, the economy might respond the same. It depends on how we did it. Many people are dependent on government aid.
However, we have reached the point where we cannot sustain all of the commitments we have promised. The baby boomers will overwhelm us.
Clinton got his surplus, some of which was projected and not real because Republicans forced him to change his ways. He also benefited from the end of cold war bonus and the dot com bubble. A recession was already begining when he left office. To say he came in with a deficit and left with a surplus is misleading without the details.
Both sides got us into this mess, but Obama and the Democratic leaders have blown it into a new realm. Rather than both sides blaming each other they should be working together. The facts speak for themselves, and try as you might, some of you can not change facts.
Dodd and Frank should be sued for the damage they caused.
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By: James on August 1, 2011
at 7:42 PM
Jacque…..
that’s right…
Democrats don’t pay taxes(or all of them) Rangel.Geithner,Draschl,
all they do is suck the juice from someone else(parasites)
Frank….you didn’t read the note……
Grandma Kate…I buried my wife and then retired….
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By: uawtradesman on August 1, 2011
at 7:30 PM
Keep calling it as you see it Helen. Many of us are right with you.
Amazingly, during the depression, we freaked out about the debt and started pulling back the spending and history shows that it prolonged the depression. Here we go doing it again.
Clinton entered office with a debt and came out with a surplus but it’s all the liberals fault we’re in debt.
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By: Shash on August 1, 2011
at 7:26 PM
Great point. Beautifully said Helen!
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By: Kunichris on August 1, 2011
at 7:17 PM
Right on, Sister! So glad to have you back.
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By: Donna on August 1, 2011
at 6:59 PM
I’m not even sure what the hell this means. 😐 Did somebody insert John 3:16 into the Bill of Rights and nobody told us? Can somebody decipher this dung? 😆
Most here are like debating with special ed students. More proof liberalism is a mental disease and for the really weak minded and dysfunctional.
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How inept does this bloated government have to become libs? You want a couple of examples of why I think most of you crooks, that is those of you who aren’t too stupid to steal?
Anybody read this Dodd/Frank piece of
shitregulation for the banking industry? My gawd, we’ve to the two government employees most responsible for the financial derivative and real estate mess, and now these assholes are creating regulatory law? Is that a joke?I haven’t seen anything that crooked since Charlie Rangel was writing tax laws for the nation while cheating on his personal taxes as head of Ways & Means. You can’t make this crap up.
And you bozos want more of it? What are you? Masochists or simply stupid? Maybe a little of both?
How do you negotiate with mindless crooks?
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 1, 2011
at 6:34 PM
Dear Margaret & Helen: Fabulous – I went straight to the kitchen and mixed a gin & tonic.
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By: Miriam on August 1, 2011
at 6:32 PM
Thanks, Helen. Once again,right on the money!!!
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By: Grace on August 1, 2011
at 6:07 PM
Helen – tow new posts in a week! Grreeat, wonderful fantastic. So glad to see you back with the sharp words. Now if the trolls who thought they had t aken over in you absence,well they were wrong! when do these idiots get any work done when they seem to have so much time to pontificate lengthily about nothing! Their wives must go to work to escape them.
Glad you are back.
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By: Grandma Katie on August 1, 2011
at 6:06 PM
uawtradesman, you are a horse’s ass. Helen rocks!
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By: Frank on August 1, 2011
at 6:05 PM
Haters hate. And they go out of their way to spew their nastiness in the nicest, neatest corners of the internet — mucking it up for the rest of us.
Love you Helen. And yes, religion is faith without proof. Just a lot of hot air.
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By: Beauzeaux on August 1, 2011
at 5:59 PM
Juanita Jean strikes again.
http://juanitajean.com/2011/07/29/friday-fun/
Don’t miss the comment right underneath the video…… or, all the comments that follow it, also and too.
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By: elsie09 on August 1, 2011
at 5:56 PM
Helen, I squirted a little lime into your G&T, caught a few fools here by surprise, got some of the juice in their eyes. Too bad. Not really….
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By: No One's Puppet on August 1, 2011
at 5:55 PM
Helen…Your full of shit also….
NOTE: If your name is not Helen Philpot or Margaret (I forgot her last name), please do not reply to me. I’m not addressing this to you.
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By: uawtradesman on August 1, 2011
at 5:38 PM
They fabricate, manipulate, only listen to their almighty, don’t give a rip about anything nor anyone but their own interests.
Obama,Pelosi,and Reid since they took over in 08.
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By: uawtradesman on August 1, 2011
at 5:36 PM
Helen, you expressed my sentiments exactly. It’s ironic to me that those who claim to be so in love with the Constitution seem to know nothing about it. They don’t seem to understand that using The Bible to justify your politics is completely unconstitutional. They don’t get it that not everyone bases their religious beliefs on the same book. The Bible is no more political evidence than are the Torah, Koran, Piby, Tripitaka, Book of Mormon or any other religious text. NOTE: If your name is not Helen Philpot or Margaret (I forgot her last name), please do not reply to me. I’m not addressing this to you.
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By: Paige on August 1, 2011
at 5:34 PM
Helen – right on once again. I’ll bring the beer; it’s been a rough week mucking out the barn. I have a great local cheese and homemade crackers for the party. I see you have enough nuts already. How about chip and dip or would you prefer a veggie platter? Do you have enough tonic?
Peace.
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By: Cynthia on August 1, 2011
at 5:19 PM
Great post Helen! James, you are a blow whole.
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By: Frank on August 1, 2011
at 5:17 PM
Helen! Right on! I was very angry and have been for a long time as to the state of our (or al least it used to be) country. With several strokes of the pen, you’ve provided clarity to what I’ve been thinking for a long time. Unfortunately we have been on a very bad course for the past 30 years. People idiolize Reagan, but conveniently forget that he raised taxes and there were 17 or so instances of raising the debt limit during his watch. Now we have a sweep of the house and near sweep of the senate in last years elections. Isn’t it strange that the very party that put us in this mess, along with certain dems, are overwhelmingly given the keys once again. Tea party, Christians, right wingers, et al-they don’t have any answers. They fabricate, manipulate, only listen to their almighty, don’t give a rip about anything nor anyone but thier own interests. I want to be around another 20 years to see the look on their faces when all of this falls apart. Oh by the way, how is it that with over 14 million unemployed, companies have posted their highest profits ever; how is it that we consume less gas, but yet pay near $4 a gallon AND oil companies post mega profits. Contrary to popular belief, the rich don’t create jobs-jobs creation are based on demand. And since we don’t manufacture very much, prices are high for imports thereby lessening demand. Just thinking out loud.
Keep on keeping on-you just don’t write often enough for me.
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By: freddh on August 1, 2011
at 5:14 PM
Yes ….Stop mixing politics and religion…..Got that Nancy…..
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By: uawtradesman on August 1, 2011
at 4:55 PM
Elsie, I read that same thing, and I agree with parts of it. However, taxes will not just be for the rich. The last I read, Democrats want to raise taxes on incomes of $200,000. or higher. I believe others will also pay.
His “conservative house morons” know this is not what they signed on for, and they are as hostile as some on the left are for different reasons.
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By: James on August 1, 2011
at 4:46 PM
Reuters reports that Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin accused the United States of living beyond it’s means “like a parasite” on the global economy.
“Thank God, that they had enough common sense and responsibility to make a balanced decision.” Russia holds some of our debt so their welfare is tied to ours.
Yahoo news reports that US manufactering growth has hit its lowest level in two years.
This deal will have a minimal effect on the economy.
Even at that, we have the Tea Party to thank for what little we have achieved. Their political power forced the Democrats to at least give lip service to spending cuts, and they gave Republicans a stiffer spine.
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By: James on August 1, 2011
at 4:39 PM
Hey, Helen. I’m so glad to see you back here. We really miss you when you are gone. I’d like to share something with you and my friends here that I came across this afternoon. Maybe you already saw it…?
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/08/paul-krugman-is-political-rookie-or-how.html
“Paul Krugman is a Political Rookie. Or How Barack Obama Left John Boehner Holding the Teabag, Again.”
Check it out. It is some good reading, with lots of interesting links.
Here’s an excerpt:
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“…Paul Krugman is a political rookie compared to Barack Obama. He is either unwilling or unable to actually look at the deal that was announced and realize what just happened: Barack Obama ate John Boehner’s lunch, and then he turned Boehner out to go preach to his conservative colleagues that this eating of the lunch by Obama is actually politically good for them.
“I am not kidding. Nor exaggerating. I will show you exactly how that happened if you bear with me a little bit. But first, let’s get some details of the deal out of the way so that everyone has an idea what we’re talking about.
“The details –Here’s the quick and dirty …
$900 billion in initial cuts (below CBO’s baseline) through capping discretionary spending (meaning that nothing is being cut right now). Both parties had largely agreed to these cuts during the debt talks. This is really only about $750 billion of actual cuts; the other $150 billion comes from saving on interest payments on the national debt. This also raises the debt ceiling by $900 billion.
Initial cuts do not include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or programs for the poor. It actually increases Pell grants – even in Boehner’s bill.
$350 billion (almost half of these cuts) in cuts in the base defense budget – these are not simply the savings coming from winding down the wars. This actually cuts the base defense budget.
Specifically protects the President’s historic investment in Pell Grants.
Sets up a bipartisan “supercommittee” of Congress (half and half Democrats and Republicans) to achieve $1.5 trillion in additional deficit reductions with both tax reform and entitlement reform on the table.
They must achieve at least $1.2 trillion in reduction or automatic cuts set in of that amount, spread equally between security (Defense and Homeland Security, mainly) and domestic spending set in. Social Security, Medicaid, low-income assistance programs and Medicare benefits are exempt (yes, I know you can swear you read or heard on the ether that it is not so, but it is. Follow along below). These are the so-called “triggers.”
Either way, the debt limit goes increases additionally by a commensurate amount to the cuts (at least $1.2 trillion, at most $1.5 trillion).
A balanced budget amendment is guaranteed a vote, but not passage. But Congress can avoid both the supercommittee requirement and the alternate automatic cuts if it sends a balanced budget amendment to the states (which. will. never. happen. – because Republicans won’t agree to anything balanced in terms of the balanced budget amendment.).”
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Then much is made of and explained in “The Triggers”, who pays, what is agreed to, what isn’t affected by this deal. Plenty to read there….Worthy of your time, for sure! Defense spending, security spending, Medicare PROVIDERS, NOT recipients, and letting the Bush tax cuts expire, and the president’s veto powers awaiting his pen when he decides to act.
As the piece concludes, this is written about the Republicans:
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“Their goal is not just to not tax the rich. The super rich, who pay mostly capital gains anyway, could care less what the top bracket were. For the Republicans it’s about an ideological, pro-corporate warfare to starve the government of money to perform the essential functions. And if the Bush tax cuts expire – in part or as a whole – Grover Norquist’s political pull just gets drowned in that bathtub he wants to drown the federal government in.
“As it turns out, if you look at the details, the President essentially gave up almost nothing in the triggers. John Boehner, as usual, put himself between two triggers (three, if you count the clock ticking on the Bush tax cuts), both bad for his party. McConnell is basically trying to sell his surrender pig with a little lipstick on. And Boehner went dancing to his conservative House morons about how great this deal is for them. But then by now, we should all have learned that John Boehner is very bad at his job, and that President Obama always eats his lunch, and leaves him there holding the teabag.”
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Enjoy. Keep ’em comin’, Mz. Helen!
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By: elsie09 on August 1, 2011
at 4:36 PM
Yes we get what we vote for, and now, we have a mess. A Sacramento news paper reported that an estimated 300,000 illegal aliens have left California to return to Mexico or to move to other parts of the United States. The unemployment rate there is about 14% while it is 4% to 5% in Mexico. Canada is also faring better than we are. Germany in better shape They disregarded Obama’s advice to spend their way out of recession.
The Great Depression was centered in the United States during the 1930’s. Once again the leaders we elected are doing it to us again. A double dip recession is essentially already here.
Obama and his liberal allies are who they are. They have as much right as any conservative or moderate to seek and hold power. I blame the main stream press. They shilled for Obama, and were not interested in his past. As Tom Brokaw said “We really don’t know much about the man. We don’t even know what he reads.” I am paraphrasing him from the Charlie Rose show.
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By: James on August 1, 2011
at 4:26 PM
And yet you can’t dispute one specific fact. Better to reign in
hellbankruptcy, hey? 😀 It’s a bitter pill to swallow.Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the one that coined your overused cliche and the one lib on record I actually had a measure of respect before he died, was also fond of using the phrase:
Dumbing Deviancy Down
I think he was reading this blog when he bargained that. Maybe Chatty Kitchen?
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 1, 2011
at 4:24 PM
Jacque,
It appears we are on the same blogsite. I’m not sure about the same planet.
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By: Judy Schultheis on August 1, 2011
at 4:16 PM
I feel sorry for your ignorance, Jacque Poolman, but while you do have the right to your own opinion, you do not have a right make up your own facts.
Helen, once again, wonderful post!
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By: 1smartcanerican on August 1, 2011
at 4:14 PM
Right on target as usual, Helen! Certainty makes for lost opportunities.
You rock!
Sally
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By: Honolulu Sally on August 1, 2011
at 4:07 PM
Not what Jesus said. Or Paul, or Peter, or Abram, or Moses, or even Mohammad. That’s probably sounds great to a humanist, but demonstrates a woeful understanding of any of the Abrahamic religions; especially Christianity.
Compromise is for losers. And Obama just lost. Just as there is a right and a left, there is a right and a wrong. Compromise gave us $14.3 trillion in debt, deficit ceilings, feckless Obama, and threats of bond rating downgrades – not to mention a thousand other irreconcilable problems that will haunt our children and grandchildren for the rest of their lives.
Michele Bachmann can keep on talking to God. Rick Perry can get down on his knees. Neither will make a difference because neither knows anything about faith or compromise. And they sure as hell don’t know a damn thing about the constitution.
Bachmann and Perry both know one very important thing you do not know about the Constitution – government was never meant to be your nanny, your daddy, your caretaker. Progressives have never understood self-reliance – the one thing that made our country great. Our founders very specifically stated time and again the federal government is to be limited in scope and power. Don’t believe me? Read the Bill of Rights until you can grasp it. It’s never late to learn.
Finally something with which we can agree. We got Obama – and look what that has gotten us.
Chaos, bankruptcy, deficits, 20.0% real unemployment, falling wages, historically high minority unemployment, wars without approval, $4,00 gas, doubling down on Bush Doctrine though the one campaigned against it, GITMO still open, palpable racial strife, one in six on food stamps, 500% increase in Afghan casualties, and Nancy Mussolini leading the charge to a historical butt kicking. Should have been more careful what you wished for – they tell me that first snort of Obama, like coke, is the most enjoyable and it’s all downhill from there.
I would highly suggest you live close to the cuff for the upcoming months. Better yet, may be better for progs to live large. The remaining months of the worst President in U.S. history aren’t going down pretty and we are now in the double dip, Keynesian economics has once again failed as it did in 1932, and Obama and his stooges are going down in a ball of hot flame, perhaps taking many of you with him.
Even dragging out the dead and ACORN ballot stuffing won’t save you this time. Then we’ll squeeze a little blood out of the turnips.
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By: Jacque Poolman on August 1, 2011
at 4:07 PM
You go, girls!
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By: GZ on August 1, 2011
at 4:01 PM
All right, Helen! You just ignored the “Never discuss religion or politics” rule of civility there, big time.
I don’t trust those that wear their religion badge and want to enact laws to reflect their interpretation of right and wrong. Then there are some whose religion is politics. Either way, we lose. No matter what your faith, it should be a private matter.
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By: poolman on August 1, 2011
at 3:49 PM
Helen…you are AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!
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By: TLFF on August 1, 2011
at 3:44 PM
Love it! Thank you!
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By: MrsGunka on August 1, 2011
at 3:35 PM
Amen sister! Keep it coming girl.
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By: lori on August 1, 2011
at 3:26 PM
I hope voters across America now “get” that sending people to Congress who think that negotiation, compromise and collaboration are dirty words is a fool’s errand.
And sending people to federal office who believe God talks to them is even worse. Usually we call people with voices in their heads ‘schizophrenics’, but apparently these loonies wish us to call them ‘president.’ Ain’t gonna happen no-how, but these narcissists will run anyway so please keep blogging and reminding the nation of the need to think SANELY come voting time.
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By: B. W. on August 1, 2011
at 3:26 PM
Bravo! In just a few words you have captured Truth. Stay tuned in and keep us informed.
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By: Anonymous on August 1, 2011
at 3:22 PM