Posted by: Helen Philpot | August 1, 2011

You Get What You Vote For

Margaret, religion and politics are suffering from the same thing – Certainty.

Neither should have any and yet if you listen to the yahoos in the Tea Party you’ll quickly learn that they are full of certainty. Full of shit is more like it.

Religion is simply a matter of faith. Nothing more. You believe even without certainty. Therein lies the true beauty of religion.

And politics requires compromise. A politician acting with certainty is a politician representing a constituency of one. Once you have two or more, compromise must eventually come into play.

Michele Bachmann can keep on talking to God. Rick Perry can get down on his knees. Neither will make a difference because neither knows anything about faith or compromise. And they sure as hell don’t know a damn thing about the constitution.

Those fools can keep on mixing politics with religion. I’ll stick to mixing gin with tonic. Ten bucks says my way is better.

You get what you vote for. I mean it. Really.

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  11. Enlighten yourself, Mae “Jeg har fumlet rundt i morket men jeg har funnet veien ut
    og jeg skal aldn tilbake dit igjen.”

  12. In what way Mae? You did your job as a Liberal and attacked the poster directly, making unneeded personal comments, now lets see something of substance.

  13. UAWTradesman, you are one of most ignorant blowhards I have ever come across, online or in the 3D world. If you can’t handle the truth you read here, go suck up to O’Lielly or any of the other lying traitors on FUX Noise. And Jacque, I can only feel pity for you. You are so brainwashed you wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you in the you-know-where.

  14. 1 in every 6 dollars in Iraq just disappeared. Great job Rumsfeld and Bush lied us into a war and wasted Billions?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/reducing-waste-in-wartime-contracts/2011/08/26/gIQAyqQhlJ_story.html

  15. At least this Republican fool is honest! He just says that Poor People should not be allowed to vote.

    Well, We’re Pretty Much Even Because I Don’t Think We Should Let Men With Goofy Goatees Vote
    September 02, 2011

    Ya know, in one way, it’s nice that they finally came out and admitted it. They are not concerned about voter fraud. They just don’t think poor people should get to vote. I’m kinda glad they’re fessing up.

    In another way, it’s so damn creepy and unAmerican that it’s just a shiver looking for a spine to run up.

    Conservative columnist Matthew Vadum is just going to come right out and say it: registering the poor to vote is un-American and “like handing out burglary tools to criminals.”

    “It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country — which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote,” Vadum, the author of a book published by World Net Daily that attacks the now-defunct community organizing group ACORN, writes in a column for the American Thinker.

    Get this: This dude works for something called the American Thinker. Does anybody know where I file the false advertising complaint?

  16. The Wealthy Republican Presidential Candidates think nothing of taking tax payers money to fund their lavish life styles, while taking away from the middle class and poor.

    http://www.alternet.org/story/152252/rich_lifestyles_of_the_gop%27s_starve-the-poor_presidential_candidates?akid=7505.294211.XxtX41&rd=1&t=8

  17. Those who crashed the economy should pay to fix it! This really is a great idea!! Make Wall Street Pay to fix the mess they made!

    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/660066/nurses%27_imaginative_tactics_breathe_life_into_progressives%3A_make_wall_street_pay_for_the_crisis_it_created/

  18. The Fleecing of America by Wall Street and Washington DC Politicians – the real impact of the 9/11 attacks. Frank Rich
    This is truly great!!

    If you are a Right Winger – expect to be upset at this site. Please check this out but it puts blame where it belongs.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/frank-rich-takes-look-fleecing-america-ove

  19. Republicans are actively suppressing Democratic votes to win the 2012 elections.

    http://crooksandliars.com/sarahburris/slow-sad-death-democracy-america

  20. You have to show your crazy to be a Republican Presidential Candidate – This is a wingnut only club!

    http://progressiveerupts.blogspot.com/2011/08/inherit-ignorance.html

  21. FIFTEEN differences between Republicans and Democrats! Quite Good!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/fifteen-differences-between-democrats.html

  22. I think you give this Noah too much power. This place is what you make of it. I truly doubt he has the power to make the choice for you. I see a lot of nastiness and intolerance on here, you reap what you sow. Kill them with kindness I always say.

  23. A root canal is more fun than this place is these days. Noah’s gotten the results he sought. Congrats, boys. I hope you’re happy. Keep an eye out for Karma – I hear she’s a tough cookie.

    Mageen, I’m glad you keep checking in now and then. I pray for better days for you and your husband.

  24. A record 66 US troops died so far this month, eclipsing the previous record of 65 killed in July of 2010. I guess since we give Obama props for every victory in the middle east, I guess he has to take credit for this as well?

  25. Sarah Palin is yesterdays news, kind of like you.

  26. Poor Sarah Palin: Many feel she has no political future. Next year, Maybe she could be on Dancing with the Stars?

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/who-doomed-sarah-palins-presidential-hopes.php

  27. Nice,your tax payer dollars hard at work. 20 million dollars was allocated for winterizing homes in a federal grant. 20 jobs were created, 14 of which were administrative. 3 homes total in Seattle were winterized with this program. What happened to the rest of the money Mr. President?

  28. And the crazy continues! Do you people really need this? What is wrong with you?

  29. GW Bush – revising his Presidential accomplishments & Dick Cheney – has a bit different view of his boss.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/countdown-revisionist-presidency

  30. New Rules:

    Ode to Tea Baggers!!!

    For you Anonymous:

  31. Shit. This isn’t worth it.

  32. That’s true anon. I will do some research on Mitch Danials when I get time.

    uawtradesman, joggers? I feel for you.

    Figures posted here already show the Democrats have given us more of the deficit than Republicans since 2008. Bush’s administration and a Democratic Congress did make a higher deficit than Obama but it took eight years to do what he and Democrats have done in less than three years. Obama will finish ahead.

    Iowa governor Terry Branstead said that the hurricane damage is terrible, but the press has virtually ignored our three month’s long flood which continues. He says it illustrates the local outlook of the bi- coastal press. We also know they are biased in favor of liberal Democrats.

    Poor Alaska and Hawaii. Things are happening there, but we hardly know they exist. The same applies to Canada and Mexico.

  33. A Conservative claims that the media is Liberal bias. A Liberal says, prove it. Well finally someone has done just that. Conclusive statistical proof that the media is very Liberal bias. For those who appreciate scientific, quantitative proofs you will love this video.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45813

    To sink another nail in I report’s coffin, look at what he links. Look at the poor methodology, look at the failure to fact check, cite evidence, or to validate their own points. Then look at this video and the extraordinary lengths they go to scrutinizing their own work to show they have come to legitimate conclusions. That is the defining difference between the average Conservative and Liberal.

  34. For Anon

    New Rules

  35. A parade and some political folks are uninvited!!! Imagine

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/29/well-they-aint-welcome-at-my-parade-either/

    Anonymous – you seem kind of desperate!!!! Doing ok? I am worried about your mental state! I don’t think you would be invited to the parade either.

  36. Way to go Obama. We didn’t get the details until last week on the $1.2 trillion the Federal Reserve secretly lent to financial institutions, including $84.5 billion to the Royal Bank of Scotland and $66 billion to Deutsche Bank, during the 2008 crisis. It took a lawsuit from Bloomberg for the Fed to reveal details of an endeavor even larger than the Troubled Asset Relief Program. This is what democracy looks like? U-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e. And you want to whine about debt from Bush? Are you joking?

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45826

  37. b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l proof of failed Liberal policies and what we can expect for the nation should Obama get another term.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45811

  38. Upon closer examination of those charts I can just come out and say it, like you I Report, they are a blatant lie. The numbers, and the graph lines have nothing to do with each other or reality. By all means post to your hearts content, you are doing far more damage to your credibility than anyone else.

  39. I Report, You Decide! Your post at 6:44 pm is a perfect example of what I was talking about. #1 you are ignorant if you see that link and think its true or #2 your not ignorant and you are being purposefully deceitful. Either way it is a reflection of the low quality of your posts.

  40. Elijah Cummings is so great! Speak the truth sur!

    Rep. Elijah Cummings: GOPers Don’t Want Obama to Accomplish Anything | Video Cafe

  41. GOD TELLS MICHELLE BACHMAN! Hey Dumbshit, Have you noticed that the drought, flooding and disasters are happening where Republicans are voting against the interest of the people? But she got the message discombobulated in her brain.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/bachmann-hurricane-gods-warning-about-govern

  42. Another Republican gets called out for his tax cut for billionaires crap at a town hall. He did not take it well and the people booed. Imagine that!

    http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/constituent-rep-dan-lungren-you-use-d

  43. while I’m here…

    http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/permalink.asp?artist=payne&date=110828

  44. GitMo still open….
    Osama dead….
    #2 whacked….
    still in Iraq….
    still in Afghanistan…..
    OK—we won’t raise your taxes….
    the next Republican to enter the presidential race is….
    BARACK OBAMA

  45. I Report….
    the Dems had control of the purse strings starting in 2008…..
    have you claimed any responsibility for Nancy and Harry…..
    Are you that totally F#$King stupid….

  46. James….
    My neighbors are only a 1/4 mile away and it really pisses me off(not really—the joggers) when I have to turn my back when pissing….

  47. Bush or Obama – which one had the biggest affect on piling up the US debt? Bush – by a long shot!!!
    Check out these charts!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/three-reality-based-charts-you-can-use.html

  48. James, considering the mess he walked in on, what he turned it into is nothing short of amazing. Can you imagine what he could do for this country if he could do for the nation what he did to his home state?

  49. I report you decide, to say “conservative white men deny climate change is simplistic.”

    Climate change is a matter of fact during Earth’s history. The debate should be over what CAUSES it. The Al Gore version inadequately explains the past, nor have its predictive features been especially successful. Climategate scientists admitted as much when they discussed fixing the information to account for an interruption of the warming.

    The Misssissippi and Missouri Rivers have relatively wide, flat valleys because water has flooded them from hill to hill many times in the past. Human activity did not cause those floods.

    The two rivers would have flooded this year whether or not people lived here. Humans have made the floods worse, though. The Missouri River flood control project used five dams to stabilize the flow of water, especially after the historic flood of 1952. The system was built to withstand a flood of the 1882 callibar.

    Unfortunately, over the years, our government changed the Corps of Engineers master manual which directs them how to manage the river. Other goals intruded. River navigation, irrigation, and recreation shared the stage with the origional goal of minimizing floods.In the past few years, they were also ordered to alter the river flow to protect species like the pallid sturgeon, a plover, and some other birds. This required a spring rise and also a lower flow to protect sand bars.

    Thus, the Corps of Engineers retained more water in the resevours than it might have to allow for seasonal high water surges. The system worked pretty well, though the surges flooded some land near the river.

    Last winter, la nina which is also causing the southern drought followed a pattern which dumped copious amounts of snow on the western mountains. So much snow accumulated some ski resorts offered July 4 skiing. People warned them as early as January that the snow was a potential problem, and they ought to be releasing more water, even if it caused some ice jams and flooding.

    The Corps didn’t follow the suggestion because they were still assuming the five years or so of drought would continue, and they needed water for the spring rise. They began to let more water out in April, and even then the flood might not have been huge. However, parts of Montana, Wyoming, and Dakota received more than their average annual rainfall in two weeks. The Corps then reacted with the largest releases in the history of the river.

    So much water was pouring down the rivers that the resevours faced the equivalent of refilling in less than a day. At least one of the dams was in danger of failing. We watched water pour from Gavens Point Dam in South Dakota at its peak. The view was spectacular.

    The flood caused an oil pipeline to break on the Yellowstone River and a natural gas pipeline broke near our home for the same reason.

    FEMA reps and the Weather Service told me the Corps is to blame for the severity of the flood. A Congressional debate and study will sort it out.

    None of our domestic droughts, floods and temperature records are human-caused. At the worst, human activity might have added a degree or two to the heat, but the patterns pre -date humans.

    How can Mother Jones explain the long drought five thousand years ago which drove even buffalo from the plains. What does the magazine say about the two hundred year drought which turned the Nebraska Sand Hills into free moving sand dunes? Our loess hills have short grass prairie plants as relics of that drought. Or maybe they survive from a similar drought several hundred years earlier. The sand dunes have existed free or under grass for thousands of years, implying long droughts are normal. Similar sand dunes are in parts of wyoming.

    As I have shown, you correctly write that man’s manipulation of our envirornment has an impact, but it is only a matter of degree. Ha! We cannot yet influence when and where it rains or storms.

    I’ve heard of Mitch Daniels, but I don’t know much about him.

    Alaskapi, I am also biased in favor of rural people. It is nice to have our next door neighbor live two miles away.

  50. Mitch Daniels is someone I could get behind for President. Let us take a look at what doing the exact opposite of Obama could do for a state & just maybe for a nation. What this man has done is akin to taking the Liberal ideology, placed it face down on the ground, butt up, and lined it up with a pro NFL kicker and given it several richly deserved kicks to the nuts. This, my Liberal friends, is what good solid conservative values will do for a state when implemented properly. This is what happens when you limit the size of government & hold government accountable.

    I am stunned that this man was off my radar. He is EXACTLY, EXACTLY, what this country needs. I cannot wait for the inevitable vultures to swoop in and attack this guy. It will prove that they are for the Liberal party, and not the rest of us as a country. At the end of the day results are what matter. My initial impression is this man could be as great a President as Ronald Regan, and I have never said that about any potential hopeful.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45809

    I took the time to write this man a hand written letter, not an email, to urge him to consider running for President. Check out this article . I once again have hope for this country.

  51. Yes, thank you Mageen.
    While the numbers of folks in rural areas may be few , relative to urban numbers, the lives and work and losses to and of rural people affect everyone. ( I admit a deep and abiding prejudice in favor of rural America, warts and all )
    Higher food costs might get some attention but don’t think it will be enough to really get people address what is at stake.
    Thinking of Val and Craig too for last few days. Sending best wishes.

  52. Why do Conservative White Men deny Climate Change? A study.

    I think the flooding of the Mississippi and Missouri River, along with the droughts and record temps tell us that man’s manipulation of the environment has an impact.

    http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/08/why-are-white-guys-climate-skeptics

  53. Thank you Mageen. There aren’t enough rural folks to care about.

    I have also been thinking of Craig, Vallery, and your family..

    Our silent flood continues into its third month. The Corps of Engineers is reducing water flow and our part of the Missouri River may be below flood stage by September.

    Michele Bachman thinks these disasters are a message from God. I think they are a message from George Harrison.

    Slowly falling water reveals that I 29 is beyond repair in parts. The DOT will have to start from scratch. Up to seven feet of river sand cover some fields. A neighbor said that the part of his field emerging from the water looks like a miniature Bad Lands. The water washed such a deep pit near a center pivot, it fell in and dissappeared from view. A sounding shows a field now has a pit deep enough to hold twenty feet of water.

    Farms in the East will also be damaged with crops lost. Texas and other southern cities face a drought which has ruined crops, forced the sale of livestock, and shows no sign of ending soon.

  54. I read a summery of the cosmic ray article PFessor. The theory of association with solar activity and climate is old. A Danish physicist theorised that cosmic rays play a role in the formation of clouds which cool the world while more sunshine warms the earth. Periods of weak solar activity lead to more cosmic rays and more cooling clouds while the reverse lets us warm.

    The physicist in charge of the study says the particles are too small for clouds to form around, but that the experiment is an important first step in understanding how cosmic rays might influence cloud making. Unlike human-caused global warming, solar activity might plausibly explain climatological heat and warm spells which are older than our greenhouse gas emissions.

    For example, the Little Ice Age was associated with the Maunder Minimum of little sun spot activity, and the world cooled during the forties through seventies while people produced huge quantities of CO2 and other gases.

    Our world’s climate has warmed only slowly since 1995 and is statistically fairly stable. This corresponds to a period of limited solar activity. If the sun becomes more active the warming should return at a faster rate. The study doesn’t prove much yet, but its logic fits better with past events than human caused global warming. Mars has also been growing warmer, and that also implies an external force. One of its supporters warned we must not fall into the human caused global warming trap, because too many global effects remain unknown.

    We face much more serious global warming. The sun is slowly using its hydrogen “fuel” and it must grow warmer to burn the “ashes” into ever heavier elements. Gradually, the sun will bake the earth as its oceans boil away. Eventually the sun may turn into a red giant which could expand to the earth’s orbit. This could happen within a billion or two years.

    I’m sure greenhouse gas contributes to a small percentage of our climate change, but I think externals are still the driving forces. ISU extension climatologist Elywnn Taylor says normal cycles also drive our weather. We are now in 1920’s weather and are headed toward the 1930’s extremes.

    Researchers in Oklahoma discovered that during the past ten thousand years, the plains were so arid that buffalo and Indians left. They calculated that area has had sufficient rainfall for habitaton at the Indians’ level of technology for about 25% of the past 10,000 years.

    As Rumsfeld said, there are knowns and unknowns and we don’t know what we know and don’t know. This study is important, but it hasn’t proved much yet.

    Its funny that a Danish scientist developed the theory. Another Danish scientist showed that blue eyed people like me are all cousins and products of a mutation near the Black Sea eight to ten thousand years ago.

    I liked Brand New Key, especially the part where her voice transitioned from high pitched little girl to woman. Age does funny things. At our high school reunion on Friday night, I sat next to the girl who I danced with at senior prom, and didn’t recognize her until I saw her name tag.

  55. Valerie, you are on my prayer list.

    I am from a country background and my dander is up cuz of the way the mainstream media is not handling the disaster in farm country after Irene. The emphasis seems to be on the urban areas like NYC where a number of reporters et al have concluded that nothing much happened there and so shall it be elsewhere. Food costs in the grocery stores are going to go up as farmers sell off what they have left in the way of buildings, etc. and go away somewhere to do something else. And as for Bachmann and her conclusion that natural disasters are a message from God, what god does she pray to? Mars? Fires, floods and earthquakes happened long before the human species roamed the planet.

  56. I Report: Why are you engaging with Noah? Obviously, this is someone who lied about his big departure from the blog. He’s previously been here as Tammy Harper and Dennis. And he’s lecturing about honesty?

    Fact is that I’m one of the ones who asked you to back off a bit on the links. I don’t care whether they are liberal or conservative–it really makes it difficult to enjoy the blog. Will you consider taking it a bit easier? And, while it’s your choice, Noah is someone to just ignore.

  57. I Report, You Decide! scroll above. The downside to your diarrhea of posts is that there is to many to go through. Three specific instances come to mind where I showed what you claimed and what you linked to be either a total distortion of the actual facts or a blatant lie. If you are so concerned as to the specifics of how I busted you just scroll up and look for the posts. The problem with telling so many falsehoods is that it can be sometimes hard to keep track of them so I understand why you have problems remembering them all.

  58. Servicemen getting ripped off while overseas with their mortgages.
    The banks are unresponsive, lose documents many times, but we are not suppose to badmouth banks – right. We need Elizabeth Warren to help gets banks to be reasonable. REPUBLICANS WON’T VOTE FOR HER! Why not?

    http://www.realecontv.com/page/4744.html

    Anon: Any lies here?

  59. Melanie (Safka, Sathka?) had a pretty good album out. There were several songs on it I liked a lot: Ring the Living Bell, Candles in the Rain, Ils Ont Changez ma Chancon or something like that.

    I saw an interview with her a few years back. She was unrecognizable.

  60. I saw Melanie in concert right after Brand New Key came out. There was a big controversy about what “key” meant. Could she be singing about sex? Oh, NO!

    LOL. Shows you how far we have come since then.

    Or regressed.

  61. I heard from Valerie, Craig’s wife. She posted an update at Caringbridge (sp?). She is to meet with the doc soon to better tune the treatment. Apparently she’s exhausted but on the road to recovery. Just keep praying, just keep praying…

    For an annoying tune…

  62. Noah: This one is for you. If there are lies, please tell me! This is re:: Joe Walsh – Republican.

    … but he also has himself some legal troubles now.

    The Chicago Sun Times says he’s $117,000 in arrears with child support.

    Now here you’ve got you a guy who said about Washington, “I won’t place one more dollar of debt upon the backs of my kids and grandkids unless we structurally reform the way this town spends money!” At the very same moment he’s putting his own kids $117,000 in debt.

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/28/joe-joe-whatcha-know/

  63. 3 Billion Spent on Iraq is that a lie?
    Iraq war started with lies. Is that the lie?

    Please Noah: Truly, if I am spreading lies, I need to know so I can improve my integrity. Please help me and you can be truthful. I can take it.

  64. What lies? WMD in Iraq? Was that a lie?

    Tell me the lies I am putting out. I am interested. You can help me with my integrity.

    You are full of it!

  65. The Conservative George Will? Is that like the Virgin Connie Swale?

    If and when you start posting with some integrity and stop telling lies I will take you seriously, until then….You go girl!!!! Knock yourself out. Bush is the Debil. The Debil I tell you.

  66. BTW – 3 Trillion for a war which lies got us in to. (That is money added to the National Debt!!!! That Was because of stupid decisions by Cheney and Bush!!!!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html

    Noah – Do you care about the national Debt? HELL NO!!!
    You just want to use the issue to bash President Obama, Be Honest Noah,

    If you really cared about the debt – You would want the 70 Billion per year given to the wealthiest 1% and have the money go to pay down the debt!
    Be Honest Noah!

  67. Anon: You don’t like what I read or think, DON’T READ THEM and certainly don’t check out the links. However, I might say, Meet the Press where they were discussing Cheney’s book was quite interesting. You should probably not look at it. They are bad mouthing Dick Cheney.

    Do you disagree with Conservative George Will? Do you feel that Dick Cheney owes the country an apology for lying us into Iraq? I do. I think George Will is right on. What do you think? Please Tell!

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/elephant-room

  68. I Report, You Decide! I would rather be perceived as having the ability to speak my mind and have people hate me for it, than to be considered a proven liar and propagandist, like yourself.

  69. way to live in the past. hows that working out fixing today for you?

  70. More on the Cheney Book. It is not getting rave reviews. Cheney said, “heads will explode” – not the case. People are quite bothered at his tone and mean spiritedness actually. (Reminds me of how Anonymous is perceived)

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/elephant-room

  71. Even Conservative George Will says we are owed an apology by Cheney/Bush for getting us into an expensive and unwarranted war in Iraq.
    Only 2 pages of Cheney’s book talks about after Saddam was deposed. The Iraq war was poorly run by Rumsfeld and Cheney, which made it the disaster which continues. At least President Obama got it kind of under control.

    http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/george-will-slams-dick-cheney-not-apo

  72. alaskapi , putting words in my mouth I never said. I almost expected more of you, almost. End of the day you couldn’t humble yourself and admit your fault. Lets have a topic change, let everyone form their own opinions.

  73. I think that Jean is doing well–that is kind of you to ask. They’ve had challenges but her attitude is great. I was thinking about Craig today as well.

    As for the study, that is so far beyond anything I know but thank you for making it somewhat less incomprehensible.

  74. Donna –
    We haven’t heard from Jean for a while. As I recall, her husband had been ill. Have you heard anything from them? I hope he’s doing OK.

    I haven’t heard anything from Craig for a right good while either. I think they are having a tough go of it.

  75. Pfesser: As I understand, it’s a very preliminary study, yes?

    I don’t know a lot about it, actually. Apparently these guys used radiation (type?) to induce condensation in a moisture-filled atmosphere. (Remember cloud chambers you could build as a kid? You could actually get a weak nuclide that emitted alpha, beta and gamma radiation and you generated a saturated atmosphere somehow in the chamber. The particles would induce a trail of condensation behind them.) The researchers were able to extrapolate their data with a fair degree of confidence and their conclusion was that cosmic radiation played a far bigger role in cloud formation than thought before.

    That’s really all I know. How they were able to apply it to large systems I’m not sure, but their technique seemed to be rigorous enough that they are being taken seriously and are causing a lot of stir.

  76. The Susan B Anthony pledge and Rick Perry – he signed it!
    Basically, he says he will only appoint activist judges. The Judges must be anti- Roe v Wade, defund Planned Parenthood and some other ideas. Basically it is just Big Government will make the decisions for women ideas.

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/28/signing-the-pledge/

  77. Whatever floats your boat, moral anony. I’m not agitating to vote you off the island any more than I am however many other anonys there are here now. Decide whatever gobbeldygook you want. Go ahead with whatever rant about liberals being the scum of the scum of the scum you want. Whip out your litany of insults about hypocrisy, kool-aid, lack of integrity, whatever floats your boat.
    Hey, you could do the one about liberals eating their young! Been awhile since that one popped up…

    Donna and any who like to cook like she does- here’s a relatively recent and wonderful addition to my favorite online newspaper here :

    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/section/kirsten-dixon

    and forget that Timothy song- it really is terrible. I tracked it down Ewwwwww

  78. I report, naa, not angry even a little. I am amused to no end how they fell hook line and sinker for my little test. I knew for no other reason than you are Liberal they would back you up and defend you. I also knew if I did exactly as you did, but chose conservative posts, they would turn on me. What I didn’t anticipate was they would turn on you as well. I think it is hilarious that Liberals have become so bleeping predictable.

  79. Pfesser: As I understand, it’s a very preliminary study, yes?

  80. Am I the only one to notice that there is an attempt to sabotage M&H’s blog. Anon aka I Report aka JJ (who must have been banned) has flooded the comment section so it is now almost impossible to download. This must be a retaliation by JJ for being banned or the aliens have arrived.
    I guess I should join the group and post as Anon 5 but not worth the time and effort to download. I’m not sure a new post would help because if JJ throws another 300-400 posts the blog is right back where it is now.
    Internet terrorist :lol:

  81. Let me jump on the bandwagon of those requesting that the anons take up some kind of handle. I’m just skipping over any anon posts, since I can’t figure out who said what.

  82. re: “climate change”, nee global warming

    The magazine Nature has a new article out that suggests most of the earth’s cloud formation is the result of cosmic irradiation, rather than nuclei from sulfuric acid and other man-made gases. This is a well-respected mainstream scientific magazine and the suggestion by the researchers is that man’s contribution to climate change may be less than half of that thought previously. (Cloud cover is probably the most important determinant of average global temperatures.)

    It’s out of my area of expertise and over my head, but the article is well worth reading and is causing quite a firestorm of controversy. Anybody else see it?

  83. Anonymous: : Noah – You have a serious anger issue!

    What you say is what I see in your and your posts.

    Have a better day!

  84. Thanks Donna, in the truest of Liberal traditions, when busted with your hand in the cookie jar, you go on the offensive. Well done. We ALL know who and what you really are now. Lets see if alaskapi follows suit.

  85. FEMA is about to run out of money because of the many disasters so far this year. CAN WE TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE YET?
    Katrina cost 100 Billion to rebuild just a few years ago. Now Canter insists that cuts take place to fund the rebuilding of his own district – kind of him – not. Disasters this year include: massive flooding in the midwest, drought and flooding in Tx and OK, Irene. Record Temperatures all over the east coast. Snow in places that never see snow in the south.
    We could do what Gov Perry suggests: Pray and dump record amounts of carbon into the air then bad mouth agencies that oversee disaster.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/fema-almost-out-money-due-multiple-di

    Anon: You are getting real whiny. Poor Anonymous.

  86. OK, I’ll say what I want…..The Anonymous’s are getting hard to keep separate…….Could you at least go by Anonymous 1,2,3,4,or whatever……

  87. I didn’t give a crap what you thought before, Noah, and I don’t now. What a joke you are–with all of your b.s. about your successful business and your baby and your many pioneer-worthy talents. And then the melodramatic “departure…” but you couldn’t even stay away for a week. So you’re back with your puerile little “integrity tests.” Fact is that the people who objected to excessive linking objected regardless of the subject. Another fail on your part. Why not really make it a trifecta and start pontificating about Bernard Gert (or, as I prefer to think of it, “First Year Philosophy for Dummies.”

  88. Hey, say what you want, claim what you want. The evidence is here for all to see and it is irrefutable. Where I come from we call that flat busted. Now you either step up and have the integrity to admit your duplicity, or you don’t. We each can make our own value judgements as to the choice you two decide to make and what that says about you. I have my opinion as to the choice you both will make, the only difference now is everyone else will know as well. Last word is yours girls. /moves on.

  89. Colin Powell on VP Cheney’s new book. I now wish Colin had been Vice President for Bush instead of Cheney. Cheney was evil on a good day.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/colin-powell-compares-cheneys-book-marketing

  90. Sorry in advance! Given the ‘I love Jesus’ and ‘Pray the Gay Away’ type of people they are, it is probably wrong. However, it is so very good. Along with that: when people preach God, Truth and run off to a Prostitute (Todd), then they are not as pure as they want us all to believe.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/todays-things-that-once-seen-cannot-be.html

    Anon: PLEASE TRY PRACTICING WHAT YOU PREACH!!! That would be a refreshing change!
    It is a shame so few people left in the world with any sense of integrity. I will always be amazed at people’s inability to admit fault in themselves for anything. THOSE WORDS ARE YOU!!! Talking to yourself again but you do not listen to what you say.

  91. actually, my definition of a hypocrite is someone who makes a melodramatic exit from a blog, vowing not to return unless invited back by the hosts. But who then just comes back and posts as anonymous. So, we have a complete fraud lecturing other people about their integrity. What else is new, Noah?

  92. You are right about the Yellowstone caldra. It has blown many times in the past, and it will again. Continental drift makes it appear to move, though is is stationary. When it was under present day Idaho, a cloud of ash dropped it three feet deep in western Nebraska, 18 inches eighty miles west of us and 2 to 4 inches deep on us. A classmate, who’s family had a gravel pit used the pumice to polish their silverware.

    The ash killed many animals where they stood, and the silicon dust smothered others. They remain under the ash to this day. A monument called Ashfall west of us in Northeast Nebraska has a nice display including a large building over the bones where one can watch college students dig them out. They leave some of the bones in situ to educate visitors on how fossils are extracted. Ashfall has a web site, I think.

    Something like that will happen again. Rapid City will have less than fifteen hours to evacuate, and prevailing winds could force us out too. Parts of Yellowstone are bulging up, but scientists who moniter the area don’t expect any immediate danger.

    A huge chamber beneath the park fills with lava and it may drain back out. When it is unable to, the pressure builds and Yellowstone blows.

    Uawtradesman is right about the Obama bundling. The press should be reporting it, but they still like Obama.

  93. anony- Pffft again!

    It is a shame so few people left in the world with any sense of integrity. I will always be amazed at people’s inability to admit fault in themselves for anything. You would think a blog would be the perfect place to practice a little humility, after all, no one can see you blush online.

  94. LEAVE THE CORPORATIONS ALONE……
    Do you mean like Comcast financing Obama…..

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-parent-company-comcast-most-generous-donors-to-obama-victory-fund/

    In addition, two oil industry executives are bundling money for Obama – drumming up contributions from individuals and turning them over to the campaign. George Kaiser, the chairman of Oklahoma-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., ranks 68th on the Forbes list of world billionaires. He’s listed on Obama’s Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the candidate. Robert Cavnar is president and CEO of Milagro Exploration LLC, an oil exploration and production company. He’s named as a bundler in the same category as Kaiser.

  95. oops- should have said I don’t get much from any of the DLs here. Tried to keep up with em all for a bit until UAW donned the claok of invisibilty in solidarity :-)
    After that I gave up
    signed-
    hippie commie liberal wierdo hypocriical Pi

  96. Pfesser-ANC was badly, badly damaged in the 64 quake. Tsunamis hit Kenai and Kodiak ( and further south in No Cal and OR).
    Village of my grandmother’s people so badly hit by water it had to be abandoned

    http://www.aeic.alaska.edu/quakes/Alaska_1964_earthquake.html

    Lost people that day to tsunamis. And an uncle we later found out passed from a ruptured brain aneurism at age 36, unrelated to the disaster. He was a pistol- had his own plane charter company, started with a plane he built as a teen.
    Holy moley on the hangar roof!!!
    anony- Pffft again!
    You were included in the ignore and scroll remarks too. Don’t get much out of either of the dueling anonys myself.

  97. chuckle…chuckle…..
    I like the 3rd one

    http://www.cagle.com/news/Hurricanes11/main.asp

  98. GOP Definition for small government: LEAVE THE CORPORATIONS ALONE! The little people can be spied on in the bedroom, on the job (stop unions) and take away rights from women and their bodies.
    Interesting link.

    http://palingates.blogspot.com/2011/08/small-government-for-little-people.html

  99. no rules of fair play or engagement*

  100. So i had to scroll up to make sure I got this right Donna & alaskapi. I post I think this guy is a bot, and that he is a disruptive influence and question his purpose. I then get told then I was over reacting because they were Liberal posts, and that i should learn to appreciate arguments from both sides, I belief the term pfft! was used often. I am told the posts are productive and appreciated.

    I then post a PoV different than I Report. In doing so I now see people questioning if he is a bot, about the posts being disruptive, complaining that I am doing the same as he. Where is your appreciation for a different point of view Donna/alaskapi? Where were you cries of contempt when I brought up the subject? When I Report posted, you were fine with it. When I did as he did, you used the very arguments I used to question his intent.

    If nothing else is accomplished by this little exercise, let the record show the blatant double standard and hypocrisy we have so perfectly witnessed. You are closed minded, you do not consider other points of view, you do not hold everyone to the same standards. This is why one does not argue with a Liberal, because it is a battle with no rules or fair play or engagement. Is it any wonder why the tea party conservatives wont work with you?

  101. Alaskapi –

    Since you guys live right on the “ring of fire” earthquakes are a fact of life for you. I remember a really big one in the ‘sixties??? Is that right? I think there was a tsunami, too? My memory fails me but it seems it devastated Anchorage.

    Of course the elephant in the room is Yellowstone which is itself nothing but a massive volcano. They say if it goes – and it is very likely – it will be like nothing the world has ever seen. shudder…..

    The hurricane didn’t bother us much here – just some rain an not too much wind.

    re: wind and tornadoes. The guy I bought my hangar from was in the process of building it about fifteen years ago and didn’t have the big main door on yet. A small tornado came out of a local storm and took the whole roof off and deposited it in one piece about a thousand yards away while he stood there and watched it. It lifted up and went over top of all the other hangars and didn’t hit any of them. I bet he had to get clean pants after that! LOL.

  102. Cink of the Young Turks talks about the Big Banks getting off without investigations. Good Information. I think there needs to be a real investigation. Go Cink

    http://www.realecontv.com/page/4741.html

  103. Dick Cheney worked this way!

    I find this story sad. It is about the choking (only hands around the neck) of a State Supreme Court Judge by the Chief Justice. Since it was not really a choke – nothing to see here. Move on folks.

    What is sad to me, is that this is symbolic of the way the Republicans and Democrats communicate since Dick Cheney brought out the tough guy mode for the Republicans. The Dems are no angels but at least they can vote for a Republican idea. Republicans cannot vote for a Democratic proposal or they face the Cheney Treatment. (Once the Repubs sign the Grover Norquist manifesto the discussion of what is right for the country is over seems to me.)

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/128539358.html

  104. You know, alaskapi: I wonder if I Report is just doing an automated posting of links on multiple blogs. Because there is absolutely no attempt to engage, that seems likely. In which case, simply ignoring and (if one wishes) declining to go to the links is probably the most appropriate thing to do. It’s the blog equivalent of graffiti–but without the originality or possible artistic component.

  105. While all were quite unsettling, I have lived through many, many earthquakes, large and small, a few typhoons ( We lost the roof on our home in 120 MPH winds when I was 8. I remember standing with my dad watching the pieces of roof ripped off over our heads cutting the fence in the front yard into matchsticks), multiple floods, tsunami, and sundry other earthly frights. I remain unschooled in tornados and plagues of bullfrogs. Am thinking the bullfrogs would be wierd but standable.
    :-)
    Not so sure about the tornado dealie. Scare me like earthquakes scare others…

  106. Day of Destruction, Decade of War. A special project by Rachel Maddow
    I wish I had a TV to watch it. Looks good!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/day-of-destruction-decade-of-war-what.html

  107. Donna-
    Setting aside what I feel and think about the voting-people-off-H-&-M’s -island thingy , I join you in wondering what the dueling linksters’ intentions are. I am reasonably certain it is not to provoke, invoke, or evoke conversation. What say you, DLs?
    Shatner did a great beat reading of Palin’s quitter speech. I’m not sure it erases the stain of of that horrible album of years ago but it certainly eased the strain of trying to understand her gobbeldygook as serious political reasoning for quittystock.

  108. We were on our way to Yellowstone Park, I think, in 1959. In those days, one didn’t have to reserve rooms ahead of time. Travelers stopped when they got tired, often as late as ten or eleven at night.

    Yellowstone had a big earth quake. We had felt part of it. Most of a mountain slid onto a camp ground, where the bodies still remain . We had felt the earth quake but we still wanted to see the park. It was after dark, and ours was the only car driving toward the park. A solid of outbound cars with headlights visible to the horizon faced us. I remember wondering if it was a good idea not to join them, but my parents were confident. Little scared them.

  109. Limerick ode to Rick Perry about his recent book FED UP. (Why is Perry trying so hard to forget what he wrote?)

    http://www.madkane.com/madness/2011/08/23/rick-perry-fed-up-humor/

  110. The Teabagger snake is on the Endangered Species List: Just a little bit of irony. Don’t Tread On Me

    http://djpostl.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/in-a-delicious-bit-of-irony-tea-partys-favorite-snake-needs-government-aid/

  111. Thanks Donna. Now, I can “hear” the words, but I will have to play something else to get rid of them.

    How about Chumba Wamba’s “Tubthumping?” I like the song and video, but it is odd music.

  112. Here it is: 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake

  113. The DEBT CEILING MESS compared to Hamlet

    http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2011/07/to-be-or-not-to-be.html

  114. Mageen –

    You were mentioning that pancaked bridge in California. I don’t remember the year, but I was at a conference there in SF but my flight was out of Oakland – across the bay. I was talking to the taxi driver when we went across that bridge – on the bottom set of lanes. Swear to God this is the truth: I said that it seemed pretty stupid to put one set of lanes over the other in a place with so many earthquakes. He said it was to save money.

    When I got home from my conference I turned on the TV to see that same bridge had collapsed. The top lanes had fallen down on the bottom. Talk about a weird feeling.

    My mother later told me that her 75 year-old lifetime best friend, who had only been out of WV about five or six times, was visiting her son in Oakland and had just got off that bridge when it fell.

    California is a beautiful place, but I’ll keep ol’ Virginny, thank you.

  115. “Don’t give up on us, baby…”

    The late Patrick Swazye, a talented dancer and actor, also had an unsuccessful attempt at music: “She’s Like the Wind.”

  116. Yes, he did, Donna. I had forgotten. I also think David Soul sang the song.

    Thanks a lot, Donna. Now, i hear that thing rattling in my head, but I can’t make out the words.

    William Shatner also polluted music with songs.

    I do love his effort with Ben Folds Five, though. I also like Louden Wainwright 111’s “Dead Skunk.”

  117. Mageen, congratulations to you and your husband. Halloween is funny. I imagine his wearing a mask to the check up and saying “trick or treat.”

    One of my minors was political science, and I agree. The only problem if they go down is they may take us down with them. They are almost like an economic cancer.

    I’ve been in mild earth quakes, but never a hurricane. I hope it all works out for you. If you do suffer a plague of bull frogs, remember frogs legs are good. They taste a little like chicken.

    Pfessor, I read about Obama before he was elected, and I knew what would happen. I bleated about it often enough here. My only surprise is it was worse than I expected. His mind is locked shut, and unlike Clinton, he cannot adapt to changing circumstances until he is forced to. Some of the people around him are dangerous.

    I agree, Romney is the least onerous of the Republican candidates, but he has proven ability to run a business. We need someone like that. Unfortunately, he reminds me of Ken Doll.

    There was a time when I was forced to choose between the moral values in which I was raised or the dark side to survive. I’m still here, but I remember how it was. I don’t care who it is. If that person can win, I will vote for him/her, even if that person is Hillary or Ron Paul, I will vote for expediency, not principal.

    Just my five cents. As you say everyone must follow his/her conscience even if it is hard to find.

  118. OK–we are back to dueling links. I don’t disagree with Alaskapi’s observations. But seriously: what do you believe you accomplish? Have you seen these provoke discussion? I honestly am interested in why you choose to do this, particularly when you couple your links with insults. I look forward to your responses.

    In the meantime: didn’t one of the Starsky and Hutch guys put out a really awful song?

  119. Follow the money trail, sometimes it takes you to interesting places.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-parent-company-comcast-most-generous-donors-to-obama-victory-fund/

  120. It’s time for justice to be served Mr. President. Just because these 189 people cannot vote doesn’t mean they should be written off.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45797

  121. Funny, but not really, two versions of the same event. Our President hard at work, but is he serving the people, or being served by the people? This day, for sure, the latter.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/presidents-day-yesterday_591386.html

  122. Had a double major as an undergraduate, one of them being poli sci. It was a snap for me. However, very little of what I learned then resembles what exists now. Back in the olden days we had no idea of what a player Wall Street would be, and corporations like General Electric. Back then we couldn’t even wrap our heads around that concept. Seems to me now though that the bigger they get and the more power they attempt to throw around the more they also endanger themselves. They will be undone by their own hand. Could come sooner than we all think inasmuch as folks are so freaking sick of those two groups.

    Now for me the good news is that husband will have his first 3 month post chemo checkup at — get this — Halloween! Chuckling is allowed at this juncture. He is doing way better than we all had hoped.

    He even involved himself in hurricane prepartions such as tying down everything too big to store but just right for flying in the wind. Its been a strange week or so here in old Virginny. First, there was that damn swamp fire that just never seems to quit. Then the earthquake. One thing worse than the earthquake are all those experts who insist that one should react in only one way when the ground starts shaking so bad all you can think of is liquifaction. The office I work in is at ground level (basement). Never saw a floor move six different ways simultaneously or so damn quick. Got out before it could possibly buckle. No, there weren’t any pieces of furniture strong enough to provide cover. Lots of people discovered that feet are good for running. All of us in the streets. Not a brick out of place! That goes for all the old historic districts in D.C. and northern Virginia. Wouldn’t have done that duck, cover and hold thing anyway even if there was something really strong to hide under. Going into a fetal position at my age would have been impossible anyway. Plus, I greatly remember all those photos of pancaked buildings in California and how it was a mess trying to rescue the survivors and retrieve bodies.

    And then, just because it would be so gosh darned interesting, we had a hurricane. The widest on record. 500 miles across. No sleep whatever last night. Still kiind of windy out and there is some lacklustre rain. Lots and lots and lots of trash on the ground.

    The betting is that we get a plague of bullfrogs next.

  123. Now the Obama administration blames mother nature for our slow economy. It is official, he has now blamed everyone but himself.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/earthquakes-and-tsunamis-and-revolutions-oh-my_591396.html

  124. More proof Obama is for the mega businesses and says screw it to the little guys.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/heavy-hand_591398.html

  125. More cheerful news on the economy.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/economic-storm-continues-bernanke-says-r

  126. I Report:

    Obviously I can’t speak for the whole GOP but to many of us GOP expatriates, Romney represents the least onerous of an onerous herd of candidates. In point of fact, it is the infiltration of the GOP by people like Bachmann, Perry, Palin et al that drove many of us out of the Party to begin with.

    So I don’t anticipate voting for Romney or anybody else the GOP fields. As for the Democrats, I have been doing a lot of reading on economics lately and I am absolutely convinced that B.O.’s policies on the economy are not only dead wrong but threaten the whole republic. So it looks like Ron Paul for me.

    Everybody always says, “Ron Paul? He can’t win! Why throw your vote away?” My response is what Ross Perot said: You only waste your vote if you don’t vote your conscience. So I think we should not try to game the system and vote for “who can win” – as I’ve said before. Vote your conscience and let the system work.

    Just my .05.

  127. Jack Cafferty talks about the GOP candidates and how crazy they are!
    Quite good!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/while-discussing-top-gop-candidates.html

    Yes, America DOES seem allergic to brains and common sense in politics. Any time that folks like Perry, Palin, and Bachmann are taken seriously in spite of their well-known intellectual shortcomings and their lack of character, or Mr. Expediency AKA Flipflop Romney is leading the president in ANY polls, it means there are Americans who will gladly carry water for folks who wouldn’t think twice about drowning them.

  128. Donna, Pfessor, delurkergurl, thanks for an enjoyable evening with your banter combined with watching Brad Kasloski win a race tonight.

    Raindrops On My Head gave me the willies. It rivaled Barney’s theme.

    We had a muskrat in our drying lake during a drought. The little beast dug a two hundred foot channel to keep water around its nest. It finally gave up and moved away.

  129. Now to exhibit the pride and joy of the Liberal party. Point 5 is of particular interest. I also think it is telling who the race party is, much in the same way the previous post did brilliantly.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45762

  130. many should be replace with math

  131. Funny how many can put things into perspective. Math just doesn’t lie

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45780

  132. Some fine points.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/bachmann-calls-out-radical-environmentalists/

  133. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS – We have blown it on Jobs and Unemployment with this Congress!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/opinion/sunday/kristof-did-we-drop-the-ball-on-unemployment.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fopinion%2Findex.jsonp

    There are no quick fixes to joblessness, but Washington could temporarily make federal money available to pay for teachers who are otherwise being laid off. We could increase spending on service programs like AmeriCorps that have far more applicants than spots.

    We could extend the payroll tax cut, which expires at the end of December. Astonishingly, Republicans in Congress seem to be lined up instinctively against this basic economic stimulus. Could the Tea Party actually favor tax reductions for billionaires but not for working Americans? Could we have found a tax increase the Republican Party favors?

  134. That’s it. I’m ruined. Stomach hurts from laughing.

  135. James – every time I hear “Muskrat Love” by Captain and Tennille (first done by America, I think), when they get to the kind of free-form burbling sound – which I suppose is what muskrats are supposed to sound like when they are making whoopee), I think of what my girlfriend at the time said: “It sounds like somebody having diarrhea in a tub full of water.”

    There it is, about 2:09. You know, I think she was right…it DOES sound a little like that. God the things we thought about back then. Usually stoned. LOL

    I can’t even listen to that song now; that mental picture is all I can think of and I start laughing out loud.

  136. PFesser: I am howling I am laughing so hard at your imitation of Marie.

    But I’m not done yet. How about “Baby, Don’t Get Hooked On Me” by Mac Davis. I always used to think “don’t worry–it’s not going to happen.” Or possibly “The Men in My Little Girl’s Life.” (there’s a boy outside. HIs name is Todd. He wants to play. In our back yodd.”

  137. Muskrat Love…it burns! The awfulness burns! Although it’s only the worst of a whole slew of badness from the Captain and Tenille.

  138. Donna –

    I see your fold and raise you one. God I had forgotten Paper Roses. This was during the absolute golden age of rock; the FM radios in our dorms never slept – Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey, The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, stuff by Jethro Tull, Rare Earth, CCR, Three Dog Night – on and on and on – just top stuff.

    Then Paper Roses would come on. Two things drove me nuts about that bro/sis pair: they were so Good – with a capital “G” and Marie could for the life of her not say “r.” So it came out, “papuh o-ses, papuh o-ses. How eel those o-ses seem to be…..AGGGGGHHHHH! I still want to commit suicide every time I think about it.

    No, I don’t think anything tops Papuh O-ses… I concede…your game.

  139. I agree alaskapi. I hope they are doing all right. Our town is having a celebration to commemorate the end of WW1, and our school reunion last night was part of it.

    At the parade today, I overheard a woman talking to someone on her cell phone. She said they had some bad news. Her grand son killed himself last night. I debated with myself about telling her I was sorry, but the call was none of my business, and I didn’t know how she would react, so I kept quiet.

    Morning Train by Sheena Easton

  140. Thanks for that delurkergurl.

    Now I know why a chicken was sitting on Katy Perry’s bed. Rebecca Black is also in Perry’s video. Katy’s video is a parody of that little gem. I know the context, thanks to you.

    Donna, Puppy Love and Paper Roses are like running fingernails down a black board.

    Muskrat Love.

  141. Walking out the door to help with a concert.

    Buddy was born and raised in Virginia, worked on the pipeline here, retired from housepainting 2 years ago with a bad back.
    Is a favorite friend and facing bad medical news…
    Best wishes to Mageen, Craig and Val, and all who are having scary times who visit here.
    (Puppy Love ?! YARG! I had mercifully forgotten that song… til now )

  142. James, that wasn’t the Friday I was thinking of but it’s a worthy candidate.

    I don’t mind Dancing Queen, either, Donna.

  143. ok. I fold. Nothing can beat Puppy Love for sheer badness. Although Paper Roses is right down there.

  144. I think I heard “Dancing Queen” too many times. I had forgotten Bobby Goldsboro. Yes, it is must be on the list too.

    It would be like watching a train wreck. When I get time, I will look up that miner song.

    What do you think of “Barby Doll” by Aqua, a Danish group? Its a bad song, but it is sort of a guilty pleasure.

    ABC is broadcasting a NASCAR race. Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon have been leading. I checked here during commercials.

    Too bad you aren’t interested in watching. Your commentary would be interesting.

  145. re: bad songs.

    Can you top “Rockin’ Robin” by the Jackson Five?

    How about any song by Donny and Marie Osmond during the ‘seventies? Every time “Puppy Love” came on the radio in my dorm, I wanted to castrate Donny.

    Then I realized I was already too late…

  146. HA! It was by the Buoys. “Trapped in a mine that had caved in and everyone knows the only ones left were Joe, and me, and Tim. When they broke through to set us free, the only ones left to tell the tale were Joe and me.” And yes–but it was Joe’s idea.

    Actually, Dancing Queen is one of those guilty pleasures songs. But let’s see…true hatred…”Honey, I Miss You” by Bobby Goldsboro.

  147. “Friday” is a sort of song by Ice Cube featuring drugs and other things. At least that is the one I assume delurkergurl is thinking of.

    DONNA!! Someone actually made a song about trapped canibalistic miners?

    Did they eat Timothy? What group performed that masterpiece?

    Dancing Queen is another song on my list.

  148. Party Rock Anthem is on my list too.

  149. Republicans won’t meet with their constituents – Why Not?
    They have to answer to them about their voting record. People want answers about where they stand on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security as well as wars and JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!!!

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rep-todd-akin-refuses-meet-constituents-an

  150. What’s “Friday?”

    And you are so right about Disco Duck.

    What about “Timothy”–the song about the miners who are trapped in a cave in and turn to cannibalism?

  151. Right delurkergurl.

    Disco Duck has to be on the all time list of bad songs. Rico Suave is up there too.

    I agree about “Friday” and “I’m Not Lisa.”

    I like “Last Friday Night” by Katy Perry, though. The video is good too. It includes Kenny G, Hanson, and the long version has Cory Feldman and Debbie Gibson.

  152. I appreciate the links that have been posted. Some are ones I hadn’t seen. I think part of the tone some have observed has been more about not wanting to hear other versions of stories. I hear the same tone from them! At any rate, the links and alleged tone aren’t worse than what’s been seen here by “the other side”. Can’t priase the openness of this blog only when it means one side gets to be difficult, right?

    As for bad songs, from the current crop I’d say that stupid “Friday” song tops my current list.

  153. worst songs? The ones that will send you flying across the room to turn off?

    I nominate “I’m Not Lisa.”

  154. President Obama took out the NUMBER 2 Al Qaida operative!!!
    What a bad ass! Competence is such a great thing! (Why couldn’t Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld find Bin Laden and friends?)

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44298750/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/#.TllbCs1dEby

    Anon: I SEE YOU ARE TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN

    your obviously an angry person go be mad. You want to twist what I say and not take it at face value, go for it, You obviously have something to prove. /moves on.

  155. Alaskaipi you are a class act, and your taste in music is similar to mine. I’d like what I know of you even if you thought Rick Perry was the second coming.

    Anon, you seem like a good person. In the words of Rodney King, “Can’t we all get along?”

  156. alaskapi, your obviously an angry person go be mad. You want to twist what I say and not take it at face value, go for it, You obviously have something to prove. /moves on.

  157. Conversation can go on regardless of I Report. just converse and scroll.

  158. It has nothing to do with what side he is on. It has everything to do with being disruptive. Maybe you are to blinded by politics to see that.

    ——————–
    anon @ 12:01-
    Pffft. Your first set of remarks today make it obvious it has some to do with what side s/he is on.
    And accusing me of blindness because of politics keeps it there.
    Backpedalling to it being-all-about-disruption is kinda passive aggressive, no?
    I didn’t join in with folks I like a great deal and agree with politically when they got discomfited by James and UAW, et al to the point of agitating for them to go. I stood up for Noah’s basic rights even though so many of his posted comments drove me crazy. I ignored Tex in his various incarnations with one lil weak moment somewhere along the way.
    Ignore people, call them out. Stay away from the voting-people-off-the-island thingy.
    James –
    I’ve always liked Neil Young and partly because of the attention he has long given small farmers and their plight.
    I like strange old Tom Waits too- he makes me smile the way he stretches boundaries in music.

  159. I have made no personal judgements on I Report, I do not know the person so anything I would say would be moot. I am only commenting on his activities. They are random, , unfocused and unrelenting. He doesn’t care if he posts the truth, doesn’t care to discuss what he posts. He seems to be posting for the sake of posting. I think actions like his discourage conversation because he keeps flooding this page with so many different topics. I think his tone strongly suggests a malicious intent.

  160. I agree alsakapi. I like some of Neil Young’s work, and even better he was active in Farm Aid when many farmers were struggling with insolvency.
    The song about strangling bad days is strange but I like it. I never looked at bad days that way.

    I think Eileen is a fitting song for this weekend, and as an occasional storm chaser, I like Clint Black’s song.

    “Those people round here wear beaten down eyes
    Sunk in smoke dried faces they’re so resigned to what their fate is
    But not us, no not us we are far to young and clever
    Eileen, I’ll hum this tune forever

    Come on Eileen, I swear, well he means
    At this moment you mean everything
    With you in that dress, my thoughts I confess
    Ah come on Eileen.

    Dexy’s Midnighst Runners

    “i never liked the rain until I walked through it with you
    Every thunder cloud that came was one more I might not get through
    On the darkest day there’s always light and now I see it too
    But I never liked the rain until I walked through it with you
    I hear it falling in the night and filling up my mind
    All the heaven’s rivers come to light I see it unwind
    I hear it talking through the trees and on the window pane
    When I hear it, I just can’t believe I never liked the rain

    When the cloud is rolling over thunder striking me
    Its as bright as lighting and I wonder why I couldn’t see
    That its always good and when the flood is gone we still remain

    Like the rain I have fallen for you and I know just why you
    Like the rain…”

    Clint Black

    Anon, I understand your point. However, a year ago, I was on the border with pneumonia, and a year ago yesterday a fever and or shortage of oxygen let my wife and me meet again when we were teenagers. Some people were sympathetic. Others gloated.

    People, at one time or another called me names. One speculated that I might be a child or spouse abuser. Jackass, tea bagger, and troll were popular too. I decided to make some of them hate me so fiercely that they couldn’t stand to write on the same blog I was on. They even tried to vote me off the site.

    They are largely gone, now and the conservatives and liberals who proved to be more determined and nicer remain.

    That is why I have no problem with I report you decide.He/she has not personally attacked anyone that I know of. I don’t care what people write as long as they are polite.

  161. It has nothing to do with what side he is on. It has everything to do with being disruptive. Maybe you are to blinded by politics to see that.

  162. Oh, for crying out loud anony @10:26-
    There’s no voting to ban people “from the board” here. Only the most egregious flamers have ever been banned by the blog owners.
    Propaganda against the Republicans? Pffft!
    We’ve sat through plenty of the opposite here. You want to get your britches in a twist over any of it, respond with something which makes you feel like you’ve righted a wrong. That’s how it works.
    Or scroll on by.
    Or find a blog which moderates comments in a way you like.
    Helen and Margaret have allowed us all to yap our heads off here, no matter what side of the fence we’re on or whether we make sense or not. That’s the way it is.

  163. Sorry James I have to vehemently disagree with you, This guy has diarrhea of the post issues. He isn’t here to discuss anything. He has been proven to post utter nonsense and even blatant lies and has not once stepped up to admit he was wrong or apologize for spreading false information. He is some pawn for the Democratic party out to spread propaganda about the Republicans. He is a destructive force with no positive contribution. I cast my vote in the affirmative to have him banned from this board.

  164. James-
    In no way intended to make light of angry Irene :

    Hoping all who visit here who may be in the path of the storm are safe and sound.

    Evelyn- There is a remedy to comments one finds tedious and getting to comments one wants to read as long as our scroll fingers work.


    Don’t let your bad days grow

  165. John McCain tried to get arms to Gaddafi a few years ago. Why is he badmouthing President Obama for helping to end a conflict against a tyrant in only 6 months? Just your usual political bluster by McCain.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/wikileaks-cable-shows-john-mccain-pu

  166. Since no meth was visibly consumed, no young male hookers were injured in the making of those photo’s, no snorkles or other deep sea diving gear was found on him, he didn’t asphixiated himelf, and wasn’t found dead hanging from the shower curtain rack by the minimum wage maid at the “No-tell Motel,” he’ll be ok.
    Not now – but later.

    First, he’ll disappear for awhile, to be with his family.

    Jesus will tell him he’ll forgive him if he goes to Marcus Bachmann and ‘prays his gay away.’

    Then he’ll come back and tell everyone that Jesus forgave him, that he’s back on the ‘straight’ and narrow, and that this was just another example of the temptation that the Liberal Satan puts in front of good Christian Conservatives like himself.

    He’ll do a few tearful “Forgive me… I’ve sinned, I’ve sinned, I’ve sinned…”

    And, since Jesus could forgive him, you could to – by contributing to his next election campaign, where he promises he’ll really tear into the asses of those evil, evil gays – but won’t be stupid enough to get photographed doing it.

    Or will he get the Anthony Weiner treatment. (Forgot – Weiner was sending pictures to women. Sorry forgot.)

  167. OMG: GOP ANTI GAY POLITICIAN POSTS ON A GAY HOOK UP SITE!!!
    Say it isn’t so. (I am seeing a pattern here.)

    http://crooksandliars.com/tina-dupuy/shocker-anti-gay-gop-state-senator-caug

    It is interesting that the anti tax party is raising the pay roll tax on the poor working men and women.!
    Please explain.

  168. PAYROLL TAX suspension is about to run out. REPUBLICANS don’t want to extend it – WHY? It does stimulate the economy for the poor and they only care about the wealthiest 1%. The Republicans are set to drag the economy down as far as possible. (It was also an idea from President Obama.)

    http://lemkin.tumblr.com/post/9335242707/fallows-on-the-gop-and-taxes

  169. NO PRoffsr

    it’s Bush’s fault

  170. Alaskakpi, I hope you keep finding new music to send. I like your taste.

    “Just an old half ton short bed Ford
    My uncle bought new in ’64
    Daddy got it right,
    for the engine was smoking
    Couple of burned valves
    and he had it going
    He let me drive her
    and we’d haul off a load
    on a dirt strip
    where we dumped trash
    I’d sit up in the seat
    stretch my feet to the peddles
    smiling like a hero
    who just received his medal
    It was just an old hand me down Ford
    with a three speed on the column
    and a dent on the door
    A young boy
    with two hands on the wheel
    I can’t replace the way
    it made me feel
    and I would press that clutch
    and I would keep it right
    and he’d say
    ‘a little slower son
    you’re doing just fine
    just a dirt road
    with trash on each side
    but I was Mario Andretti
    when Daddy let me drive.”

    Allen Jackson wrote the song as a tribute to his father after he died.

    LIbbysealy made a video featuring his father when he raced cars on weekends.

    As one who by their accounts drove people from the site , I have no quarrel with I Report, You Decide. Granted he/she doesn’t usually engage in reactive discussion, and some of his/her links and opinions come from an alternate universe, but I am defending that person.

    He/she is only one person. What gives him/her the power to force people to let him/her take over? The people who are complaining.

    There are few bullies and name calling is almost gone. That is a good thing. I don’t miss those folks.

    If we take Helen and Margaret at face value, both are old and of uncertain health. A husband recently died and a move followed. A wrenching emotional upheaval is rough, and the recovery time will be long. They may not feel like writing for a while.

    Speaking of evolution, scientists now believe the small number of Neanderthal genes Europeans and Asians carry may not all be junk. One gene may have given us more resistance to various viral and bacterial diseases.

    Last night, my wife and I attended a high school wide reunion. I tend to focus and shut the world out. A lounge singer who moved here from Britain performed, and she was good. I took a video of her, and she reacted. Later, when I talked to a friend, and didn’t pay attention to her, she walked up behind and put her arm around me. My wife said she didn’t know I could still blush, and everyone laughed.

    One of my classmates was a vivacious young girl in school and an unknown cousin of my wife’s. She has Lou Gehrings Disease, and we all passed around a book to write letters of encouragement. I hadn’t seen her for years. Another classmate told me she is on a feeding tube.

    My cousin from Florida cried as she told me how her husband in a nursing home with Alzhiemers disease doesn’t always recognize her or the children and thinks how it must feel for him to be in what he things is a strange place with unknown people tending to and visiting him. She wishes he would smother under his pillow.

    Sometimes, life is brutal, mean, and long.

    So, with that in prospective, I report, you decide, who has never called me a name is not a problem for me.

    Poolman, the east coast has already had an earth quake, a hurricane and now, California has had a small earth quake, and we haven’t even read the book yet. “You ain’t seen nothing yet.”is true.

  171. Yes, Margaret and Helen is evolving, isn’t it? Not always a good thing, you know. What was that thing called, Australopithecus Robustus, I believe? An evolutionary dead end?

    I believe – HT to Jimmy Carter – the “maiaise” is on account of the lack of posts by the owners – idle hands and the Devil’s workshop and all that…I thought Helen had promised posts more often than once in a blue moon…what happened to that idea?

  172. It is time for this reader to move on. What was once an interesting place to read interesting opinions has now become just another political page with links to news stories.

  173. Totally Awesome!!! Let’s review…

    In My Time Lies And Quotes From Cheney And Neocon Pundits

    You think the earth’s shaking now?
    We ain’t seen nothing yet! :wink:

  174. New POLLS show GOP being blamed for gridlock in DC

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/26/poll-suggests-americans-starting-to-blame-gop-for-gridlock/

  175. 42 Million dollars given to make up the Islamaphobia scare in the US.
    Millions are not spent on the Christian warrior movement so it is not a big deal. Names are named.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/cfap-report-42-million-seven-foundations-h

  176. how is being anonymous cowardly out of curiosity? Have you seen people go at each other on here? It gets ugly. Can’t imagine why anyone would willingly subject themselves to that kind of abuse by tagging themselves.

  177. Evelyn on August 26, 2011
    at 6:48 PM

    Oh! I thought you were talking about all the “anonymous” cowards on this blog.

  178. HAHAHAHAHA…
    Shoot. Doesn’t even mention Beck anywhere in the entire article.

  179. Sadly, no. He is accomplishing what he apparently wants to accomplish: driving people off the blog. I have not seen anyone express appreciatin for the repeated links. I, and at least two people, have asked that he stop. Anyone who was not out to antagonize people from the blog would respect that. Too bad–but I certainly can find my own links if I care to.

  180. I take it there is no possible way to block this guy so I don’t need to read another of his posts?

  181. Christian warriors who shoot people or are trying to bomb or burn houses or places of worship are terrorists! Why do we downplay Christian terrorists?

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/christian-warrior-charged-firebombing-oregon

  182. I Report: I did state my disagreement. My disagreement is that you are hogging the blog–as rude here as it would be to monopolize the conversation at a dinner party. I don’t object to the substance of your post. In fact, I agree with much of it. But perhaps, rather than constantly posting links, you might offer your own original thoughts and engage in a give an take.

    I’m not upset in the least. I do believe you are being discourteous and asked you to reduce the number of links you post. At least one person indicated he agreed with me–perhaps more do. And so, if you are a nice and well-meaning person, perhaps you’ll respect that. Thank you.

  183. Fox and Friends says the Facts show climate change is real but that does not matter because Gov Perry says they are not real and that is good enough for FOX viewers. Interesting

    http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/fox-news-facts-argue-reality-global-w

    Let’s dumb down science and pray away climate change while we let Texas and the Koch Brothers pollute to fill their bank accounts. Sad thing is, our children and grand chlidren will pay the price with polluted air, water loss of trees and wildlife.

  184. Evelyn –

    So you and anon are upset at information?

    Have you read Helen’s blog by chance? If you read Helen’s blog and then read the links I provide, I think you will find she would approve of the links.

    I guess I see you and anon getting upset for little or nothing. Freedom of speech – remember that. You disagree – fine, state your disagreement.

  185. Obama administration is now negotiating a “pact” with the government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai that could leave American military “trainers” — thousands of them — as well as special operations forces, and the U.S. Air Force settled into some of the enormous Afghan bases the Pentagon has built there until… 2024.

    http://www.alternet.org/world/152146/details_of_secret_pact_emerge%3A_troops_stuck_in_afghanistan_until_2024

  186. so what jobs won’t Americans do?????

    or is it jobs that Dems won’t do….

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/49_say_illegal_immigrants_perform_jobs_u_s_citizens_won_t_do

  187. did you let the township assessor know that you dug a well…..I don’t know about where you live but improvements are taxed here(MI)…..

  188. Maybe this isn’t new everywhere, but I live in a rural area, I have no city services of any kind other than electric. I use pellets for heating, well water on my own property that I drilled for with the help of a friend. I have never to my knowledge paid a tax for this well.

  189. Trying to tax people with wells?????????
    I’ve been paying taxes on my well for over 35 years…….Its part of property taxes……and it water!!!!!and the septic field gets taxed also……

  190. Thanks, Pfesser (and apologies for the unintended double post). I don’t mind the occasional link either.

  191. Evelyn –

    I think the links are really helpful sometimes, but I’m like you – I am more interested in what people have to say than chasing links down.

  192. I just saw your post suggesting that someone leave the site if they don’t appreciate your links. That suggests that you really are not sincerely trying to make points about your views but that, in fact, you are trying to disrupt the blog and discourage people from being here. If you continue, you really are as pathetic as those such as “Noah,” who announced his departure but still haunts the blog.

  193. I just saw your post suggesting that someone leave the site if they don’t appreciate your links. That suggests that you really are not sincerely trying to make points about your views but that, in fact, you are trying to disrupt the blog and discourage people from being here. If you continue, you really are as pathetic as those such as “Noah,” who announced his departure but still haunts the blog.

  194. I Report: There appear to be two options. First, you are sincere. If so, please give it a rest. You are hogging the blog to the point where your message is lost. Second, you are trying to make the point that others have been posting too many links. If so, you have made your point.

    There is a third possibility: that you are just trying to piss people off and drive them off the blog. I hope that is not the case.

    Regardless of your motive, I ask that you stop posting links. Whether or not I agree with some of the points of view you purport to express is irrelevant: you are being really rude.

  195. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS

    http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/08/jobs-jobs-jobs

  196. 8 Ways Conservatives Abuse History ,,, and the Truth

    http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/152131/8_ways_conservatives_abuse_history_…_and_the_truth/

  197. Why would Rick Perry Put the World on the Fast Track to total Meltdown?

    http://www.alternet.org/story/152149/why_rick_perry_would_put_the_world_on_a_fast_track_to_total_meltdown?akid=7470.294211.DSqofX&rd=1&t=5

  198. Koch Brothers are fighting regulations – DO THEY WANT A MAJOR CHEMICAL DISASTER?

    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/08/24/do-the-koch-brothers-want-a-toxic-disaster/

  199. Are we like or hated in Afghanistan?

    http://leftwingnutjob.net/2011/08/why-do-they-hate-us-how-many-afghanis-have-been-killed-in-our-10-year-reign-of-terror/

    Anon: easy solution – leave the site to answer your question

  200. Here is a nifty law they are tying to pass. They are trying to tax people who own wells. Their claim is that the property owners do not own the land that far underground, that the land belongs to the government, and so should be taxed accordingly. Govt. Kiss my Arse. Liberals, Kiss my Arse. Whats next, the water flowing through river on my property at some point crossed through government land so belongs to the government and I should be taxed for that?

  201. Anyone know of a way to block a poster so you can no longer see their posts?

  202. ALEC – How Corporattions are ripping off the USA

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/government-corruption/your-tax-dollars-used-to-screw-you.html

  203. A judge you can believe in – Texas style

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/25/and-even-more-in-love-with-judge-sam-sparks/

    Re: Subjugation of women by the extreme Right Wing Republicans in Texas, led by Gov. Rick Perry.

  204. Eric Cantor is an idiot!

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/25/yes-virginia-there-really-is-an-eric-cantor/

    Offsets? The dude is already looking for offsets?

    Hey Cantor, let’s start with your salary and staff. Next, let’s quit paying for protection for the House of Representatives in DeeCee – all you gun nuts are armed anyway. Third, shut down the House gym and the cafeteria and dump you guys off government health care.

    Hey Eric, give us a call when the locusts get there. And if 4 horsemen show up, run like hell.

  205. This is a song of beauty! You will sing along and it will stay with you for days!

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/25/best-you-tube-ever-right-here-turn-up-the-sound/

  206. How many more lies do we have to bust you in before you realize you no longer have any credibility? At least change your name to I Lie, we’ve decided.

  207. wow….shadowy right wing groups form 501(c)s…….and shadowy left wing groups form truth-out.org a 501(c)
    go figure

  208. How Shadowy Right Wing Groups our National Embrace of Debt Reduction over Job Creation! Good Information

    http://www.truth-out.org/white-house-should-reject-big-business-fiction-job-crisis-due-excessive-regulation/1314195100?q=how-shadowy-right-wing-front-groups-engineered-our-national-embrace-debt-reduction-over-job-creation

  209. Could Huntsman be considering a third party run?

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns/common-sense/could-third-party-tremors-result-in-a-2012-political-earthquake–20110824

  210. This is crazy! This is very crazy!!!
    The Teaparty was able to disrupt and raise hell during town hall meetings and if they were asked to stop the Democrat was called out.
    Today, A Republican is asked to answer questions in a much less severe manner and cameras are taken. Why the difference? Dems can be called rotten names but Republicans cannot be asked questions by average citizens??? Why the difference?

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/cameras-taken-during-rep-chabot-r-oh-town-h

  211. Nancy Pelosi on Deficit – Jan, 2007

  212. If you want to get things done – call President Obama. Gone: Bin Laden
    Out of office: Gaddafi.

    Would that ‘getting things done’ include getting your own soldiers killed?

    President Obama has a fabulous record of a 500% increase in American soldiers being killed in Afghanistan.

  213. Sadly Liberals would have you believe anyone who achieves the American dream is a villain to be defeated. Success is a crime, didn’t you know?

  214. “I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” — Benjamin Franklin

    The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.” — Benjamin Franklin

  215. the founding fathers did what????

    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
    -Benjamin Franklin

    http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/founding-fathers-on-charity-wealth-redistribution-and-federal-govt/

  216. The 6:18 AM weather comments were mine.

  217. Sorry your hack website @ 9:01am is about the worst on the net. They have been discredited so often by so many other organizations they are a joke to most anyone who gives value to truth in reporting.

  218. This link goes with the above post

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/after-sucking-gadhafi-mccain-and-lieberman

  219. The Right Wing supported Gaddafi 18 months ago and were trying to get him his weapons and planes.

    WHO TOOK OUT GADDAFI IN 6 MONTHS? President Obama and the Coalition of course.

    It would have been nice if we had great leaders and direction during the start of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.. GW Bush gave us Rumsfeld who was inept and created wars which would go on well beyond the 2 years they said it would take.

    If you want to get things done – call President Obama. Gone: Bin Laden
    Out of office: Gaddafi

  220. Like the rest of the junk you post this article is just bunk. No historical mention of the founding fathers supporting socialism or wealth redistribution.

  221. People don’t believe in redistribution of wealth because it is morally wrong. To bad this simple concept eludes you.

  222. Mitt Romney is playing his wealthy card!

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-wonders-if-mitt-romney-has-d

  223. Interesting thoughts over a wide range of topics.

    http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2011/08/grand-bargains-presidential-abdication-and-wednesday-open-thread.html

    – This was a really excellent piece in the Washington Post by Alexander Keyssar about the complete unraveling of the social contract in America. Keyssar posits that the American social contract consisted of three important components — 1) the regulation of business to stop the excesses of capitalism that threatened the safety and stability of society; 2) the allowance for workers to organize in order to demand a greater share of the pie created by capitalism; and 3) social insurance to alleviate the hardships that could not be addressed in the marketplace or workplace. He argues in this article that all three of these pillars of the social contract, which have been under attack for decades, are now seriously threatened. Moreover, he points out that things like the Citizens United decision, the Republican pushed voter ID laws, and the attacks on the 17th Amendment and the direct election of senators, constitute an attack on democracy itself. A world in which this social contract is destroyed and the electoral means to rectify it made difficult, if not impossible, is not a world in which I am anxious to live.

  224. The Founding Fathers Believed in Redistributing Wealth – Why do Tea party Heroes like Perry and Bachmann vilify it? Interesting facts to consider.

    http://www.alternet.org/story/152148/the_founding_fathers_believed_in_redistributing_wealth_–_why_do_tea_party_heroes_like_perry_and_bachmann_vilify_it?akid=7466.294211.zrq67e&rd=1&t=8

  225. Koch brother use their Billions to buy up negative URLs. Must be great to be Billionaires. People say something you don;t like, buy out their forum to quiet them. Democracy – Right Wing Billionaire style.

    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/08/23/the-kochs-are-scared-and-theyve-bought-the-web-domains-to-prove-it/

  226. How Rick Perry created the 27 Billion dollar deficit he recently faced because of tax cuts to businesses he gave away in the past. The next legislative session faces a 10 to 18 Billion dollar deficit as well. His tax cuts DID NOT produce increased tax revenues, which is what he said at the time.

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/government-corruption/sec-shreds-wall-street-crimes.html

  227. Praying for rain and not believing in climate change are two different issues. One doesn’t have much to do with the other. Texas is dry because the Plains have regular wet and dry cycles. Prayers to La nina would do as good as prayers to God, because La nina gave the South its drought and us the heavy rain and snow which gave us our months’ long flood.

    . La nina may resume in the fall. If Perry prayed to La Nina, and the Corps of Engineers, his prayers would be just as effective.

    I don’t think Rick Perry would be a good president. However, Democrats “preferred to choose someone like themselves than someone actually qualified for the job.” I don’t see the distinction.

  228. Matt Taibbi on how political appointees from Wall Street STOPPED INVESTIGATIONS of wrongdoing by Bernie Madoff and Big Banks and then had any evidence shredded. Every investigation had to start over with no information of past wrong doing on record. The person who shredded the investigation then took a high paying job with Wall Street or a Big Bank.

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/government-corruption/sec-shreds-wall-street-crimes.html

  229. Ed Schultz.. He is so very great!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/18/jon-stewart-rips-ed-schultz_n_930618.html

  230. Considering the posts of late, the dishonesty, the twisting, the name calling and character assassination, what have I learned? I would elect Adolf Hitler if he ran Republican before I would vote Democrat. This blog was all I ever needed to know about the Liberal frame of mind. How can anyone ever trust these people. Thanks for the education. Off to bigger and better.

  231. Rick Perry according to Richard Dawkins! Words of beauty!

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/24/good-words/

    There is nothing unusual about Governor Rick Perry. Uneducated fools can be found in every country and every period of history, and they are not unknown in high office. What is unusual about today’s Republican party (I disavow the ridiculous ‘GOP’ nickname, because the party of Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has lately forfeited all claim to be considered ‘grand’) is this: In any other party and in any other country, an individual may occasionally rise to the top in spite of being an uneducated ignoramus. In today’s Republican Party ‘in spite of’ is not the phrase we need. Ignorance and lack of education are positive qualifications, bordering on obligatory. Intellect, knowledge and linguistic mastery are mistrusted by Republican voters, who, when choosing a president, would apparently prefer someone like themselves over someone actually qualified for the job.

  232. Rick Perry says he does not believe in Climate Change. The next day he is praying for rain.

    Question: Is God punishing Gov Perry for his stupid ideas?
    Why has God Chosen to not give rain to Texas?

  233. Sister Toldjah cited Obama’s speech on July 3, 2008.

    “The problem is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children….That’s irresponsible. Its unpatriotic.”

    Senator Obama also voted not to raise the deficit ceiling.

    Peter Kirsanow wondered “Is Obama’s raising the national debt by $4 trillion irresponsible? Is it unpatriotic ? Or do the new rules regarding civility in public discourse render such questions especially when uttered by Tea Partiers/gterorists irresponsible and unpatriotic.?”

  234. Ben Stein on raising taxes on the wealthy! He says of course it needs to be done.

    http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/bben-stein-destroys-bill-oreillys-idea-

  235. Thanks for the suggestions, anonymous.

    If you’re into that sort of thing, you might want to try Templeton Rye, if you can find it.. It was one of Al Capone’s favorite brews and was popular in Omaha, Chicago, Kansas City and other speakeasies.

    It was first distilled near Carroll, Iowa, and a few years ago Templeton Rye was re- introduced as a brand of whiskey based on a prohibition recipe. We toured the plant a couple of years ago, and got free samples–two shot glasses if we wanted. It was smooth.

  236. Ed Schultz.. He is so very great!

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-republicans-only-wrap-themselve

  237. James…
    I had some (and recommend) Great River Brewery Redband Stout and Straight Pipe Stout…….liked the Redband better…..the brewery is in Davenport…..

  238. I am sure the Libs will vote to nuke them, after all they don’t contribute to their political campaigns or vote. In liberal eyes that makes them expendable/exploitable.

  239. you report…I decided!!!!

  240. lmao what a liberal hack site I Report, You Decide! your name is as f+cked up as that article. you don’t leave anything to be decided. its commi pink liberal propaganda. what a joke.

  241. Lets just hope that friendship can blossom between our countries…..so we don’t have to nuke the F#$K out of them….

  242. Conservative Republicans denounce Sharia law in Libya but SHARIA LAW IN IRAQ IS OK! Right.

    http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/conservatives-denounce-sharia-law-libya

  243. Cynthia, if you’re still out there, here is one for you. In my imagination, it sort of fits with the Dash.

    “When friends are hard to find
    And life seems so unkind
    Sometimes you feel afraid
    Just aim beyond the clouds
    And start your own parade

    “Cause when I chased
    my fears away
    That’s when I knew
    that I could finally say

    I made it through the rain
    and kept my world protected
    I made it through the rain
    I kept my point of view
    I made it through the rain
    And found myself respected
    by the others who got rained on too
    And made it through”

    Barry Manilow

    One of the television networks played his song as credits rolled after a show about the release of our hostages in Iran.

  244. I Report, You Decide! 8:30

    Your rantings on the war, it is misrepresented, misinformation, and politically motivated and skewed.

    The war was not run poorly. We failed to see the greater ramifications of nation building with a people not ready for what we had to offer. That is an honest assessment of the situation, not politically motivated as yours is.

    As far as what crashed the economy. Who was in charge of the Financial Services and Banking in congress? Answer: the Democrats. To imply everything is the Republicans and Bushs fault is to also say that the Democrat party was and is completely impotent and I dare say negligent if all these terrible things happened on their watch while they were in control.

    You my friend like so many on here have Liberal beer goggles. You do not care what is right, you care nothing for the truth, and you care nothing for this country. Your only concern is the defeat of the opposition and the total domination of your party. It is sad to find you in this place where ignorance has taken you, because you fail to realize your Liberal masters are taking you down a merry walk into servitude and dependency.

  245. Cynthia, that was beautiful. Thank you.

    I report you decide, Mark Knoller explained that the deficit did not increase as fast even with the war, tax cuts, and the prescription drugs boondoggle as it did after the Democrats took power. The numbers support his argument.

    Weapons of mass destruction and Rumsfeld are irrelevant to the discussion. The wars contributed to the deficit, but so did a lot of programs. Knoller shows they did, but he also illustrates how our financial problems worsened quite recently after the Democrats took over.
    He also stated some of the increased spending was a reaction to the crash.

    I showed in an earlier post how policies originating in the Democratic party helped cause our economic collapse. Republicans tried to persuade Congress to further regulate Fannie and Fredie. They refused. Republicans share blame of course, but de- regulation did not crash the economy. It was the instrument which let bad debt circulate around the world. Bed debt multiplied crashed the economy.

    “Bush is to blame for 60 per cent of the current deficit.” Say it while you can.

    You seem smart enough, and you can think. I don’t believe anyone here could argue the sky is green better than you.

  246. http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

  247. Presidential Approval Index rating of -23

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    71% Say Too Many People Get Welfare Who Shouldn’t

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/august_2011/71_say_too_many_people_get_welfare_who_shouldn_t

    Voters Put Border Control Ahead of Amnesty by 2-1 Margin

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/voters_put_border_control_ahead_of_amnesty_by_2_1_margin

    Only 20% Think Government Anti-Poverty Programs Really Work

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/only_20_think_government_anti_poverty_programs_really_work

    15% Say U.S. Heading In Right Direction

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track

    Partisan Trends: 34.8% of Americans are Democrats, 33.1% Republicans

  248. The Dash

    I read of a man who stood to speak
    at the funeral of a friend.
    He referred to the dates on her tombstone
    From the beginning…to the end.
    He noted that first came her date of birth
    And spoke the following date with tears, 1964-1994
    But he said what mattered most of all
    Was the dash between those years.

    For that dash represents all the time
    That she spent alive on earth.
    And now only those who loved her
    Know what that little line is worth.
    For it matters not, how much we own;
    The cars…the house…the cash,
    What matters is how we live and love
    And how we spend our dash.

    So think about this long and hard.
    Are there things you’d like to change?
    For you never know how much time is left,
    That can still be rearranged.
    If we could just slow down enough
    To consider what’s true and real,
    And always try to understand
    The way other people feel.

    And be less quick to anger,
    And show appreciation more
    And love the people in our lives
    Like we’ve never loved before.
    If we treat each other with respect,
    And more often wear a smile.
    Remembering that this special dash
    Might only last a little while.

    So, when your eulogy’s being read
    With your life’s actions to rehash.
    Would you be proud of the things they say
    About how you spent your dash?

    By Linda Ellis: http://www.lindaellisonline.com/

  249. Longer Weekends and higher wages will improve the economy! Interesting

    http://www.alternet.org/story/152130/longer_weekends_and_higher_wages_5_surprising_ways_that_would_help_improve_the_economy?akid=7461.294211.jMz-HG&rd=1&t=8

  250. http://www.alternet.org/story/152144/matt_taibbi_on_the_explosive_investigation_revealing_the_sec%27s_cover-up_of_wall_street%27s_crimes?akid=7461.294211.jMz-HG&rd=1&t=2 Matt Taibbi on how the SEC was bought off so the destruction of the economy could take place. Wipe the slate clean after each investigation. The people who gave the wipe it clean order then got a million dollar job in the industry. SWEET DEAL – The economy sank and the middle class had their homes and lives taken.

  251. Most Americans think it is insane to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and the poor. Bernie Sanders

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bernie-sanders-americans-think-its-insane

  252. Class warfare – The Rich are taking from the poor. The numbers show the Republican goal to crash the middle class is working.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/keith-olbermann-slams-hypocrite-eric-canto

  253. I thought cell phones were killing the bees….

  254. James:

    Here are some other numbers: Bush tax cuts 1 Trillion + (70 Billion per year_
    WMd- REMEMBER WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? You found them yet? 2 MILLION DOLLARS DUMPED INTO the war we got lied into because of Bush! Has this added to the deficit? YES

    RUMSFELD: THE WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN WERE SO POORLY RUN THAN WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT. We were told we would be out of Iraq in two years. We were also told that the oil would pay for the war- right. Billions evaporated because of Bush’s decision to go into a war because of lies.

    Bush Prescription drug policy has cost a Trillion+. It has been put on a credit card and the US cannot negotiate lower prices because Big Pharma insisted on that being thrown into the mix.

    DE-REGULATION CRASHED THE ECONOMY! We let Corporations set the policy and they went for maximum cash. So the BAIL OUTS WERE A DIRECT RESULT OF BUSH POLICIES to the tune of Trillions.

    BUSH IS TO BLAME FOR 60 PERCENT OF THE CURRENT DEFICIT.!!!

  255. Current Polling shows President Obama where Reagan and Clinton were during their first term. WHO HAS TERRIBLE POLL NUMBERS? REPUBLICANS and Congress.

    http://personal-political.blogspot.com/2011/08/obamas-approval-rating-amazingly-still.html

  256. Why are the birds and bees dying? Shhhhh – Pesticides but don’t say anything because a corporation would lose money if the truth got out. Other countries have banned the pesticide but not the good old USA. Pesky science ignored again.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/government-corruption/why-the-birds-and-bees-are-dying.html

  257. The Treasury and CBS News says the US during Obama has added $4 trillion to the national debt. That approaches the record $4.9 trillion Bush set. The Obama administration is doing in 31 months what it took Bush 96 months to do.

    Bush added an average of $51 billion per month to the debt while Obama has added $129 billion per month.

    Mark Knoller listed Obama’s excuses.

    Two wars we didn’t pay for
    A prescription drug program for seniors we didn’t pay for
    Tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 we didn’t pay for.

    “Well, there are big problems with these excuses, chief among them that none of this explains the sharp difference between the rate of debt under Bush and under Obama.”

    Deficit spending remained “under control” during the Bush years, and during his second term, deficit spending declined until the economic collapse occurred.

    “So what changed? We’re spending more on entitlements, but not that much more. York argues that while conservatives are rightly focused on entitlements to solve the long term deficit, the rapid short increase is the result of a Democratic spending spree.”

    “The deficits were largely the result not of entitlements but of an explosion in spending related to the economic down turn and the rise of Democrats to power in Washington.

    Spending for Social Security and Medicare went up from $162 billion and $119 billion respectively but by incremental and predictable amounts.

    Republicans ran the House for 12 years, and they added $3.873 trillion to the national debt. Their average was $330.17 billion per year. During the Bush era, they added $533.5 billion per year. Democrats in control of Congress during Bush/Obama have added an average of $1.48 trillion per year.

    “Its an astonishing explosion of federal spending, much of it in the increased regulation that’s strangling growth.”

    Hot Air “Obama set to beat Bush debt aggregation record”

  258. I read Conscience of a Conservative in college, and Barry Goldwater was the first politition who like Hillary Clinton, I campaigned for. A cadre of idealistic college students liked Goldwater.

    He and Kennedy were friends, and before Kennedy was murdered, Goldwater led in some polls.

    He made intemporate statements such as the east coast ought to be cut from North America and set adrift. He also suggested tactical nuclear weapons would quickly end the war in Vietnam. I don’t think he was serious.

    I do think the outcome of our war in Southeast Asia would have different. LBJ once said we were fighting in Vietnam to save face, and he was determined not to be a Democrat who lost a war. I don’t believe Goldwater would have felt the same way.

    The LBJ administration and allies committed character assasination to win an election.

  259. Obama, A foreign policy Chump? Or is it all on purpose? You decide.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45590

    P.S. The conservatives got something just over nothing of what they wanted in this last deal. I understand you have a different political view but at least don’t go so far out of your way as to misrepresent the facts. This was a terrible deal for conservatives and the nation, thus our credit rating downgrade.

  260. Should President Obama get credit for ordering air strikes in Libya? He had jets strike targets against the wishes of Republicans. The tyrant was taken out in 6 months. No Americans were killed. YES = THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/secret-fed-loans-reveal-d_n_934352.html

  261. Dearest Helen:
    Just before I went across country to visit my dear friend of 43-years-and-counting, I sent her your August 1 blog. She rejoiced and toasted you back with her own favorite tipple, which isn’t gin and tonic but packs a punch nonetheless. She knows Texas — her brothers still live there. If I ever visit, I’ll think of you and Molly Ivins, and try not to think of Dubya at all. Just wanted to say thanks and we love you.

  262. The Tea Party folks are upset with Maxine Waters? Why? The Tea Party got 98% of what they wanted on the recent budget deal and the economy is sinking. Maxine’s district is getting hit hard. Maxine stated her 1st Amendment rights of free speech to call out those responsible for the economic difficulties her district faces. What names did the Tea party call President Obama? Let me think? Communist, fascist, and a few other choice words. Hmmmmmmm

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/teabaggers-upset-that-rep-maxine-waters.html

  263. The GOP are destroying the American Dream!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/liberal-ad-campaign-accus_n_934492.html

  264. All the proof you will ever need proving conservatives and the Tea Party had it right all along. All you ever had to do is ask history.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45611

  265. Today’s earthquake caused much less damage than Eric Cantor!

    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/131f9031ba4d8cd5

    Pfesser – Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave as well. The ReBiblicans really are a crazy bunch..

  266. If you want to understand what real conservatives think about the world, I highly recommend a book I have just started: The Conscience of a Conservative, by Barry Goldwater. Very old but very good. It was recommended by an old friend and I got it for my Kindle at a buck ninety-nine!

    I had always bought into the stereotype of Goldwater as a right-wing nut case, but by chance ran across a documentary on his life on PBS a month or so ago and was VERY surprised by what I saw. Now the book. I am pleasantly surprised: he was an excellent writer and an accomplished thinker as well.

    He must be spinning in his grave that the ReBiblicans now represent the conservative side. A real shame.

  267. While am on a Rupert roll, check this out!

    Rupert tried to use News Corps to manipulate the news! He said it his own self.

    http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=341

  268. Rupert Murdoch personally told someone to follow someone! Did he lie to the committee that questioned him? Oh Darn!!! Caught possibly telling a lie? A billionaire would never lie? Would he?

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/former-editor-says-murdoch-personally-gave-o

  269. I think I see a pattern here!

    President Obama goes to the Correspondents dinner and takes out Bin Laden.
    President Obama goes on a date with his wife while on vacation and Libya is liberated.

    I like the pattern.

    Thank You President Obama!!!

  270. Major Drought in Oklahoma and Texas but we cannot talk about Climate Change and mans impact on weather. Weird earthquakes happen and water catches fire but we cannot talk about fracking. Interesting stuff

    Pray it away!! That seems to be the Republican approach!!

    http://crooksandliars.com/sarahburris/hottest-month-hottest-state-ever

  271. still reading

    not an earthquake, it was Obama’s approval rating hitting bottom

  272. As all of DC leaves work at the same time, the United States experiences a brief economic recovery.

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/top-politically-themed-earthquake-tweets

  273. What were you doing!!!!!! lifting a leg or having someone pull your finger,,,,,

  274. The east Coast centered in Virginia just had an earth quake. What were you DOING, Pfessor???

  275. Further proof, there is no level a Liberal will not stoop to in order to discredit a candidate, NONE!

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45659

  276. Noah is no more persuasive or intelligent now that he is posting as “Anonymous.” Of course, he–who is so enamored of “promises”–has broken his own commitment to stay away from this blog unless invited back by the hosts.

  277. Thanks for that post at 9:02. Further proof Liberals have no intellectual ground to stand on so they resort to labeling candidates and name calling. Reminds me of my middle school playground.

  278. Interesting

    http://www.businessinsider.com/rick-perry-is-a-dope-michele-bachmann-is-a-joke-and-mitt-romney-is-a-fraud-2011-8;

    Conservatives are saying that Rick Perry is a dope, Michelle Bachmann is a joke and Mitt Romney is a fraud. Interesting

  279. Eric Cantor is at it again!

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/keith-olbermann-slams-hypocrite-eric-canto

  280. I Report, You Decide! You come across as a homophobe, a sexist, and a left wing wacko. Nuff said. You will take note that the blaze is one of many sources cited. But i guess you were too busy gay bashing to notice.

  281. Is Grover Norquist whats wrong with America?
    This is very important!

    http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2011/08/is-grover-norquist-whats-wrong-with.html

  282. Anon: You were making Anonymous a joke by posting THE BLAZE (That is a Gay sounding name BTW) so I had to change my name. I like: I REPORT, YOU DECIDE!

    I liked Anonymous but you had to cheapen it with THE BLAZE – YUK!

    You still in the closet? Go to Michelle Bachmann’s husbands clinic and they will cure you. I think the comment was ‘look at her breasts.’ says it all.

  283. Republicans can find a loophole in the Ten Commandments and the Law of Gravity.

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/22/oh-debbie-riddle-me-this/

  284. Great Blog!!!!! Read the comments!

    http://juanitajean.com/2011/08/22/oh-please-please-please/

    I saw a post recently which suggested that Sarah Palin has accomplished her mission — to make crazzy seem common, ordinary, and unremarkable.

  285. The art, of being Presidential, as shown by G.W. Bush. Better take some notes Obama.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/flashback-george-w-bush-gives-golf-playi

    I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander-in-chief playing golf,” Bush said. “I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them.”

    Class dismissed.

  286. Libya: Should President Obama get some credit?
    Rick Perry wants to get rid of Social Security? (As we now know it)

    http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2011_08_01_archive.html#8824983999504268478

  287. Finally a Liberal who says it like it is. Look out folks, this is what Liberals are really about.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45683

  288. Gaddafi FOUND – He is running for US President in NH as a Republican!

    others gave him high marks for his grasp of history and geography, which most agreed was stronger than Michele Bachmann’s.

    “Unfortunately for Muammar Gaddafi, he might be out of step with the current crop of Republican candidates,” one pollster said. “There’s a perception that he’s too moderate.”

    http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/08/22/gaddafi-found-running-for-republican-nomination-2/

  289. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/opinion/corporate-interests-threaten-childrens-welfare.html?_r=1&src=tp&smid=fb-share

    CORPORATE INTERESTS THREATEN CHILDREN’S WELFARE!

    (I am not commenting because you can read it and make up your own mind.)

  290. Wrong link on last one. will correct. In the meantime, Obama sits on trade deal handed to him on a silver platter by the Bush administration that would help create work for Americans for his own political needs. WTF?

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45647

  291. Thanks Obama for helping send more American jobs overseas!

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45640

  292. God has a comment for Rick Perry.

    http://crooksandliars.com/bluegal-aka-fran/open-thread-113

    Anon: If Blaze is your big source, I feel sorry for you. Beck was too whacked out for FOX – he is your big source? Chuckle, chuckle
    No wonder you must bully people, you have no ideas. BTW: Multiple topics is what is going on in this world. It would be wonderful to focus on one small issue but that is not what happens in the real world.

    Get back on your meds please, you are getting more pathetic by the day.

  293. Crashing poll numbers for the President indicate that his “blame game” strategy is not working. Obama persistently lays all responsibility for the nation’s woes on former President Bush, Republicans, the Tea Party, Congress, Wall Street, talk radio and Fox News​. Last week, he added “bad luck” to the list.

    But the American people aren’t buying it, according to public opinion surveys showing the president’s Popularity sinking below 30%.

    That’s sent the White House scurrying back to the drawing board. The President this week promised that, just as soon as he finishes his vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, he’ll roll out a specific plan to jump-start the economy this fall.

    No need to rush on job creation, Mr. President. Rest well. Blaming others for your own failures can be very tiring. Very tiring, indeed.

    As reported by Brian Darling @ http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45649

    Amazing how the truth can make for such an easy read.

  294. Nice to know this administration is so understanding. Take for example their complete understanding and support of China’s mandatory abortion policy.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45690

  295. And here I thought we were a nation of laws? NO man, is above the law. Well, except for Obama it seems.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-orders-his-own-version-of-the-dream-act-video/

  296. And Liberals with yet another way to pay for their on going policy to buy elections.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/afl-cio-looking-to-launch-super-pac-to-boost-influence/

  297. Rep. Gordon Hintz says he’s so (expletive) sorry

    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117153083.html

  298. Thanks to our conservative citizens from many walks of life, a great blow has been dealt to the Liberals and a great victory won for freedom. No longer can Liberals force their rhetoric upon us.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/victory-for-free-speech-fcc-officially-kills-fairness-doctrine/

  299. Interesting. So Obama, and his fabled doctrine are alone responsible for all of these victories Anon? Did he by chance have a cape and boots on while achieving these great victories all by him self? I mean no other countries were involved right? Because I am sure you would have given credit where credit was due yes? I could have sword in the case of Bin Ladin, our brave solders in the field, who were actually getting shot at, putting their lives on the line, were a tad more responsible than Obama, just my opinion.

  300. LIBYA ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE OBAMA DOCTRINE!! I like the quiet but direct way President Obama made his announcement!! Thank You President Obama!

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/libya-obama-doctrine

  301. President Obama makes an announcement about Libya and he is not wearing a jump suit and flying in on a fighter jet! I like the low key factual way of dealing with dealing with a rogue leader. Thank You President Obama for the update!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/president-obama-announces-that-qaddafi.html

  302. Corporations want tax cuts so they can create jobs. HONESTLY, HOW MANY JOBS HAVE THEY SENT OVERSEAS IN THE LAST 10 YEARS? I think the above question needs to be answered.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/us-businesses-push-job-creation-tax-c

  303. Well said…well said.

  304. What a great article. Race and politics, articulated better than anyone else has in a long time.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/starparker/2011/08/22/blacks_dilemma_with_obama

  305. Lets take a look at our fair minded Liberals and how they deal with political opposition.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/helenwhalen%20cohen/2011/08/21/you_tea_partiers_are_like_a_disease

    &

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/helenwhalen%20cohen/2011/08/21/maxine_waters_the_tea_party_can_go_straight_to_hell

    Class act these people.

  306. Ignore the rhetoric. If you really want a read on how the economy and the dollar is doing, just look at gold. The higher gold is, the weaker the dollar is.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gold-nears-1900-an-ounce/

  307. poolman on August 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM

    My thoughts too. But it is funny to see the reaction from them when the same sort of rhetoric they spew all the time gets hurled back at them. Their indignation is laughable.

  308. TheBlaze is nothing more than a right wing shock rag. You can pass it by and suffer no penalty. Read it and your brain might explode.

  309. Even at the highest level of this administration, apparently the buck doesn’t stop there. The party of no personal responsibility.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-blames-his-low-approval-ratings-on-unhappiness-with-washington/

  310. Lets set the record straight on Gov. Perry. Not this half truth story the liberal media have been feeding everyone.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rick-perry-secessionist-secede-gibbs-obama/

  311. What is the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative you ask? A Liberal campaigns and promises change, A Conservative goes out and causes change to happen.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-launches-week-of-restoring-courage-events-from-israel/

  312. Its time this administration wake up and start dealing with what is coming.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/are-we-headed-for-a-double-dip-recession-its-possible/

  313. While Joe Biden was in China on his good will tour this news broke. WTG Obama administration.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/oops-china-accidentally-broadcasts-evidence-of-cyber-war-against-u-s/

  314. Anonymous of the endless links. What is your purpose? Was I right that you get paid to drive web traffic and you are exploiting this blog to do that? You don’t discuss anything you post, you just seem to go from one random topic to another with no obvious purpose. I assume you are doing this for a living and are getting fed the links to post, or you spend lots of ours researching to find this stuff on your own. Either way I am interested in what your motivation is.

  315. A Republican gets called out by his constituent – very good!

    http://www.bluehampshire.com/diary/13281/frank-guinta-gets-schooled-by-constituent

  316. Is Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers what is wrong with the country?
    I think yes.

    http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2011/08/is-grover-norquist-whats-wrong-with.html

  317. The author of that piece is so wrong, he can’t even get reasons for extinction of dinosaurs right.

  318. Capitalism failed because of Mega Corporations and big dollars buying politicians.

    http://www.alternet.org/story/152118/5_reasons_capitalism_has_failed?akid=7442.294211.90Zv_U&

  319. Right now, enthusiastic Palinbots outnumber Obamabots.

    The president is so desperate he is doing what he can to make constitutants such as Hispanics, envrironmentalists and gays happy through fiat. Once he finishes his political duties, he will be able to attempt to fix the unemployment rate. Everything in its place and time. Obama’s reelection takes the top priority.

    I hope Palin doesn’t run. If she did, she should pick Donald Trump as her running mate. At least, we could go down laughing.

  320. Because we told you so, but lets be Liberal and keep everyone’s benefits the same, because this could never happen, right?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/21/social-security-disabilit-benefits-insolvency_n_932409.html?ncid=webmail2

  321. anon –
    re: Palinbots, etc. She’s coming to Lynchburg this fall. Don’t worry, the loyal opposition will be there too. Don’t know what we are going to do yet, but it should be fun.

    She’s “speaking” at “Liberty University” – which is a private bigot college, er, I mean religious college, so options for protest may be limited. I’m sure that was all taken into consideration by her handlers before the plans were made.

    Maybe she’ll run true to form and cancel. We can only hope. Enough crazies in Virginia as it is.

  322. Could you take me for a walk down the path of events that lead to Obama taking out Bin Laden and Khaddafi? What specific policies did he set in place to usher all this in?

  323. President Obama has buried Osama Bin Laden… and is now ushering in the end of Khaddafi…and Republicans are upset he gave speeches they didn’t like…

  324. Palin Update: Palin-bots are getting excited about her Sept 3 speech!
    They are renting buses to go support her. The Palin-bots feel she will run for President and announce 9/3. More info on the link below

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/what-is-definition-of-insanity-again.html

  325. So what you are tying to say is this administration has had nothing to do with the current state of our economy over the past 3 years? None of the fault, none of the debt? Obama care had nothing to do with it, didn’t add any debt? Nothing?

  326. Anon: You are sounding pretty pathetic. May I suggest you start taking your meds? You are not doing well without them.

    This is good. Rove is getting chewed out about his role in the economic mess which our country faces.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/former-obama-aide-rips-roves-lecture-good-go

  327. Good God just did a search and Dennis was quite some time ago. To remember that far back, and a list of others. Whats a more intense word for obsession?

  328. Obsession seem to be a way with you folks. Noah, Rutherford, Sara Palin. Me thinks a M.O. is starting to show itself.

  329. Radiation in St. Louis is 178 times normal. Thank You Fukushima!!!
    Should we be concerned? Is this a time to cut the EPA? I think not myself.
    Should we be monitoring radiation close? I think so. (We should also monitor the gulf oil spill. Where is that new oil coming from?)

    http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/st-louis-raining-fukushima-hot-particles-radiation-178-times-normal-video?CID=examiner_alerts_article

  330. Income Inequality is extreme!! Worse than before the Great Depression actually.

    This pie chart shows it all!!

    http://sbgypsy.blogspot.com/2011/08/us-asset-distribution.html

  331. Huntsman (R) says : The minute the Republican party becomes anti-science they are in trouble. Anit-science is the definition of the current front runners for President. Oh-Oh… You mean – anti-science will hurt them in the general election?

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/huntsman-minute-republican-party-beco

  332. Noah broke a promise? But Noah hates broken promises! He doesn’t even have obstructionists to blame. Maybe he’s not a promise breaker, but a liar?

    I just read a headline, that Obama’s job plan meets early resistance from Republicans. It’s critical that there be no progress for Americans before the election.

  333. jsri,

    Anonymous/noahwestmichigan/Noah/tammyharper/dennis are one-in-the-same person, imo. I believe that noahwestmichigan claimed he/she/it was leaving until invited back by our gracious hostess Helen. I don’t recall that happening, but then I haven’t been paying as close attention to this site as I once did.

    It just goes to show, some folks just can’t be trusted, kiddo. :wink:

  334. jsri
    #1 we are all anon. does your name tell me anything about you?
    #2 why all the insults and so much anger? these are just words on a blog, why bother with the name calling and insults?
    #3 because of #2 why would I subject myself to someone like you who cannot maintain their composure? sadly you are a perfect representation of what can be found on this blog.
    #4 If you expect no one to respond but who you want to on a public blog, i think you have unreasonable expectations. maybe get his email address for a more private conversation?
    #5 we have laws to enforce ethical business practices. just like all other things in life, some people take risks and ignore those laws for personal gain. one does not legislate based on people choosing to not following a law, we prosecute then. but more to the point, i said nothing about ethical business practice. i commented on what one can expect should they chose to keep raising taxes and make the climate unfriendly to business. our economy and unemployment are bad enough that do not need to further compound the problem by making it more difficult on business to produce more jobs. way to try and spin the topic.

  335. To: Anonymous on August 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM

    You said “jsri , have to ask, how is citing one personal example a reality check? In what reality do people go into business to be patriotic? This is an incredibly simplistic concept & I cannot begin to understand why a Liberal just cannot comprehend it. . . . “

    Normally I don’t respond to chicken-chit wimps who don’t identify themselves but in your case I’ll lower myself and make a comment. I’m not sure why you felt compelled to stick your bumper sticker comment into a reply to a post that was directed to someone else.

    The example I cited is not the only one and it was directed at James because I knew his son, in the past, had had a similar experience. Also, twice before, our son had jobs with high tech companies where their technology was bought out by foreign companies. The sellers made a fortune while the employees, who created the programs, got their walking papers. The thing that surprises me the most is that these programs all require a depth of knowledge of programming that is far beyond the ken of most of us and could be brought to a screeching halt by a few simple lines of code among the millions running the program. Why this doesn’t happen more often must be only because the programmers who have lost their jobs have a higher sense of ethics than their former employers.

    And on the business of companies being in the business to make money, I understand the concept very well because my wife and I ran a successful business and understand the pitfalls. But everything we did was ethical and above board. Unfortunately, we found out that not all businesses are operated ethically. In fact, I’m under the impression after having worked directly with many business owners, that too many of them would lie, cheat and steal to stay in business. So please don’t insult my intelligence by trying to give me a lecture on the purposes or ethics of business.

  336. Fukushima Update: it is worse than 20 Hiroshimas. Funny – we do not get this kind of information in the US. Some are still pushing Nuclear in the good old USA. De-regulation is the answer and we bulid safely – RIGHT! (BTW: Is the Gulf Spill over and done or is it leaking again?)

    http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2011/08/fukushima-update-worse-than-twenty.html

  337. This is just beautiful! It is a rundown of Bachmann and other Republican Candidates for President. I have read quite a few but this is by far the best description Enjoy!!!!!

    http://www.stonekettle.com/2011/08/new-crazy-same-as-old-crazy.html

  338. John Huntsman, Republican candidate for President, advocates pulling out of Iraq!! Amazing.. Curious to see how far this idea goes.

    http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/jon-huntsman-advocates-pulling-out-ir

  339. Not that I mind, because I don’t.

  340. Well the one posting all the links we all know to be juneaujoe, as for the rest….

  341. Bernie Sanders is so very great!!! I agree with his approach. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/bernie-sanders-create-program-put-mil

  342. What if the two arguing anons are the same person?

  343. Lets see, Rick Perry wants to change the constitution.
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/seven-ways-rick-perry-wants-change-constitution-131634517.html
    Umm…who was the last leader elected by the people then changed the constitution when facing a economic crisis? Hmmm…. HITLER in 1933!

  344. Shared Sacrifice!!!!!! It should not be just the poor and middle class that pay!!

    Here is a pie chart of the current wealth distribution in the US!!! Disturbing actually when you realize that the top 20% own 84 percent of all assets in the US. Guess how much the lowest 40% own? Look

    http://sbgypsy.blogspot.com/2011/08/us-asset-distribution.html

  345. A historical view on taxing the rich: During the Eissenhower -R administration, the wealthy were taxed at 90%. Let’s take taxes back to the Reagan years.

    http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/robert-reich-on-obama-gop-issues-and-tax-strategy

  346. This is the sheer power of perception management: it can cause people to shut their eyes and stop up their ears against certain information that conflicts with the mainstream message—information which threatens to confuse them and shake their confidence in their understanding of the world, and also to shake their self-esteem as sensible, mainstream people who do not subscribe to nutty ideas.

  347. The COVERUP OF WALL STREET BY THE SEC! Matt Taibi is breaking a big story. We did we not find the rampant misconduct by the big banks and traders during the GW Bush years. BIG STORY!!!!!! Important!! How to crash and economy – don’t investigate. Kind of like what Issa is doing now!

    http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/exclusive-matt-taibbi-on-sec-covering-up-wall-street-crimes

  348. The current gross inequality of assets is the old norm. It has been so throughout human history. A combination of capitalism and socialism is awkward and sometimes unfair, but it is the best system we have to channel human greed for the greatest good.

    From the beginning, eutopians have tried to change the norm but they have failed and killed countless people in the process. Even under pure communism where everyone shares common possessions, some people are more equal than others.

  349. Cynthia Wolken of Missoula, MT is pushing a referendum to not allow corporations personhood. Basically, she want to take on CITIZENS UNITED at the local level. It is a great idea. Her point is that people are troubled because the rich and corporations buy up votes and get people to vote as they wish by dumping millions into advertising.

    http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_6d7da43c-c947-11e0-9ef4-001cc4c002e0.html

  350. Thank you for Eric Burdan and the Animals alaskapi.

    They were part of my life. In basic training we sang “We’ve got to get out of this place, if its the last thing we ever do.” “Yesterday, when I was young” struck me too. I left for the service a young man. When I returned to the United States and civilian life four years later, I was somewhere in my fifties, jaded and bitter. Now, I’m in my twenties again. My old face doesn’t bother me, because its mine.

    Thanks too for your inspiring comments. You must be very proud of your son. You should be.

    Her’s a country song:

    “My old friend
    lives up in the
    mountains
    He flew up
    there to paint
    the world
    He says, even
    though
    interpretations’s
    what I count on
    this little
    picture to me
    seems blurred
    Hard lines and
    the shadows
    come easy
    ‘I see it all
    just as clear
    as a bell
    I just can’t seem to
    set my easel to please
    me
    I paint my Heaven
    but it looks like hell’
    He says man I
    ain’t comin’ down
    till my picture
    is perfect
    and all the
    wonder is gone
    from my eyes
    Down through my
    hands and on to the
    canvas
    Still like my vision
    but still a surprise
    Real life, he says,
    is the hardest impression
    It’s always
    movin’ so I let
    it come through
    And that my friend, I
    say, is the glory of true
    independence
    Just to do what you do
    what you do what you do
    My old friend
    came down from
    the mountain
    Without even
    lookin’ he found
    a little truth
    You can go through life
    with the greatest
    intentions
    But you do what you do
    what you just gotta do
    Yeah, your blue might be
    gray, your less might be
    more
    Your window to the world
    might be your own front
    door
    Your shiniest day might
    come in the middle of
    the night.
    That’s just about right.”

    Blackhawk

    What was your shiniest day?

  351. I’ve been listening to the rhetoric coming from the Right, the moderates, the corporate media and anyone who owes their living to fundraising money from deep pockets. I find it chilling that there’s this assumption that we all must simply accept the current and very gross income inequality as the “new normal.” Listen carefully and educate yourselves, my loves, because that horrible notion frames everything that those folks say.

  352. Pfesser-
    There’s always hope. Always.
    Whether in one heart or many.
    Assuming disaffected and un-engaged young people are or will be “dross” relieves all of us who created the world they live in of responsibilty for what we have done but says nothing about what they are and what they will do as the torch is passed.
    You find hope in concrete iterations of values and manners which make sense to you, I find it in young voices here questioning the powers-that-be.
    Personality types and styles cut across all lines of gender, race, culture and class in pretty even distribution. As always, some will succeed, some will fail, in meeting the challenges of their time and place.
    Our cultural measures of success and failure have changed dramatically in the last 30 years. My son , now in his mid 30s, was assumed by most cultural measures to have already failed by the time he hit middle school age- mixed race, single parent ( alcoholic father completely out of the picture), blah, blah, blah…
    His personal battles and mine as his advocate were many but the kid who qualified to work as a welder’s helper in the shipyard in Seward at minimum age to do so, went on to college, worked 50 hours a week to pay for his own schooling while maintaining a B average and hit the ground running afterwards. His appearance and demeanor at 18 was rough and somewhat angry, his hopes for his own future amorphous and ambivalent.
    Within 2 years of college, he was making over 100K a year and was/still is one of the top ten in the country at the kind of computer programming he does .
    He was assumed to be “dross” at a critical time in his life by far too many. It harmed but did not stop him. It will stop others. We need to take care we don’t write folks off before they have a chance to pick up their own futures, even if we can’t stand their baggy britches and tats.

  353. Pfessor, many of us have been where you are. Yes, it is sad, especially for the last one. I think your son will do well. You have a right to be proud of him.

    I inherited family memorabilia and it includes letters over a hundred years old. A woman wrote in the 1880″s “Our last child left yesterday. The house feels so empty.” Someone wrote almost the same words during the 1920’s.

    One of our daughter’s friends worked as a school aid the first year our daughter went to college. She played a song in honor of our daughter over the loud speaker on the first day of school.

    Here it is, just for you.

    “There she goes
    there she goes again
    racing through my brain
    and I just can’t contain
    this feeling that remains”

    Sixpense None the Richer

    My wife saw your comments and said “Tell him they come back.”

  354. I am so happy that Keith Olbermann is back!!!!

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/keith-olbermann-makes-coburn-worst-person

  355. Speculation was the reason Gas Prices went sky high. Bernie Sanders – Thank You the information.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sen-bernie-sanders-leaks-oil-trading-

  356. Anon 8:42, what is it you have against the American Dream? you seem to want to attack anyone who has achieved it.

  357. Putting Country Ahead of Political Party!! I like it. Would some Republicans actually look at raising some taxes on corporations and those who have done well the last 10 years?

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/president-obamas-weekly-address-putting.html

  358. I want to pay $5,000,000 in taxes….let them take half…..

  359. Wow. Like a war zone here. Man, I wish we could work on this stuff together, cuz we are surely in it together, and our country is certainly in a world of hurt.

    I just took my younger son to college today – last kid out of the nest. I have thought many times of the day I got in my friend’s car and we headed off to WVU in the ‘seventies. I didn’t realize it then, but I was leaving home for good. My son doesn’t realize it either, but I do. Boy do I ever…

    It’s a good thing, though. He’s in one of the last four men’s colleges in the U.S. Sometimes when I walk down the sidewalk in my little town and see these dudes with their pants down around their arses and tats up and down their necks – unemployed and unemployable – speaking some unintelligible language, I think there’s no hope. Then I meet young men like I saw today: (“Yes sir; no ma’am. No sir, gentlemen don’t wear hats indoors so we don’t here. May I carry that for you, sir? We enforce our honor code 100%. No sir, no girls here – too much distraction and we are trying to accomplish things here. We all work together sir, so we ALL succeed.”) I think maybe there IS some hope. Then I wonder, how many young men like this will it take to support the dross? I don’t think there are enough.

    Sorry. Kind of depressed; the house is empty of children now and will remain so. Only one of our six kids (Both of us had previous marriages.) is interested in or thinks they can afford kids of their own. I’m gonna pull out some Grateful Dead and some more Jim Beam and listen to Jerry and feel sorry for myself. Y’all keep fighting.

  360. No value in being anonymous, UAW, when we are all anonymous already :-)

    We’re just souls whose intentions are good… eh?

  361. We have already established that the Bush tax cuts enhanced government revenues and accompanied a good rate of employment. Taking an extra 700 billion dollars from the “rich” won’t even start to reduce our deficit. When and if the government takes the money, it should understand the ramifications. Will taking that money in a borderline recession when businesses are already nervous hurt the economy? Will it cost the economy more than taking it is worth?

    I believe, based on past history, it will. My understanding of rescinding the tax cuts is that individuals earning $200,000 and families making $250,000 will pay higher taxes. People at that income level are not rich. Moreover, even more taxes for the rest of us are on the way.

    Large groups of people are fickle, perverse, and wrong as often as they are right. Those who took the poll are wrong this time. By your logic that it is time to listen to the people, we should immediately fire Congress and Obama, since they are also unpopular. We live in a democratic republic, not a participatory democracy. The people speak though letters to their representatives and at voting time.

    We have also established that Democrats hold the primary responsibility for starting the economical disaster. They, especially during the Clinton administration along with pressure from groups like ACORN persuaded lending institutions to grant bad loans to poor people who had little hope of paying. Some of the administrators used Fannie and Freddie as personal slush funds.

    Banks and other financial institutions converted the bad loans into other packages and sold them around the world. Republicans, as well as Democrats wanted more private home ownership, so though they tried to regulate the housing market, they didn’t fight especially hard when Democrats blocked them. They also didn’t have much stomach for regulating banks, etc which were enriching themselves on the backs of the poor and middle class borrowers.

    Government pressure on banks to be generous created demand which fed on itself until the bubble burst. Like the Madoff scheme, the edifice came down. Thus, to say the Republicans alone caused this is simplistic.

    The poor and middle class homeowners were innocent victims, though some had overly grandious future income plans and made stupid decisions. Congress and financial people who should be fined or jailed are thriving. Its unfair, but that’s life.

  362. get rid of the BUSH TAX CUTS AND SAVE 700 BILLION DOLLARS IN TEN YEARS

    How hilarious is this? get rid of the tax cut, and save money. Thanks for making my night.

  363. He worked for Goldman-Sachs: (That company got away with Billions of our money.) He changed his name and now is working for Republican Issa and investigating the government oversight agencies. Makes sense!!!
    A Goldman-Sachs hack should be in charge of investigations? In a REPUBLICAN WORLD – of course. Changing his name from the Goldman years was a cute trick though.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/goldman-employee-says-he-changed-his-

  364. If we are truly interested in what is best for the country, deficits and JOBS, JOBS, JOBS – our leaders (REPUBLICANS TOO) would get rid of the BUSH TAX CUTS AND SAVE 700 BILLION DOLLARS IN TEN YEARS!!!!!

    If you look at any polling about cutting programs and/or getting rid of the Bush tax cuts – people say: GET RID OF THE BUSH TAX CUTS! BY A COMFORTABLE MARGIN!!!! TIME TO LISTEN TO, WE THE PEOPLE!

  365. Who crashed the economy? Pressure to give glowing reports for crap devrivatives? Of course – the poor and middle class are at fault —- RIGHT!!

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/former-moodys-staffer-blows-whistle-w

  366. Anon of 2:18, 1:05, 12:25, anyone ever tell you that you read like a billboard or a public service announcement? FYI, Bush isn’t President anymore. FYI Obama voted to extend the evil Bush tax cuts.

  367. Our political leaders have learned to gain power and wealth by manipulating our emotions. Oh, the poor starving children… We have to create a new program with money which will never feed a child..

    If John Stewart is right, and we have class warfare, the middle and lower classes will win in only one way-through violent revolution. Then the winners will exploit another under class.

  368. Cynthia, as you know most of those people don’t pay income taxes because the government has decreed that they don’t earn enough money to contribute. You also know my wife and I were once among them. Like most of that group, my wife and I wanted to earn more and pay our fair share of taxes.

    However, viewing their condition cold bloodedly other people, not the families exempt from paying are funding the government and helping the poorest of them survive. When more people ride than pull the wagon, we have trouble. Our government has failed to create the conditions which allow more of the lower middle class and beyond to thrive.

    As for corporations like GE ( allied with the Democrats) who use loopholes to avoid taxes, as long as it is legal, they are doing nothing wrong. Let the government close the loopholes or charge taxes the companies are willing to pay.

    Jsri, I already know that reality. Our son worked as a temp in 2003 after he graduated from college. His boss told him he would be the first permanent hire in two years. The boss lost his job, and the company branch moved to India.

    Like your son ours finally got a job with a good company, and he is now being groomed for a larger slot in the corporation. Your son did the right thing, and if his old company over valued profits over talent, it will lose in the end. Life is a cost benefit ratio. The successful and lucky make the proper calculation. The rest fail.

    I came by my hard-heartedness honestly. Harsh times taught me never leave your wounded behind and never feel emotion when making life or death decisions.

  369. It is class warfare and the poor and middle class ain’t winning!
    Jon Stewart

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/daily-show-world-class-warfare

  370. jsri , have to ask, how is citing one personal example a reality check? In what reality do people go into business to be patriotic? This is an incredibly simplistic concept & I cannot begin to understand why a Liberal just cannot comprehend it. Business exists to make money. Profits are affected by the cost to do business. Raising taxes raises the cost to do business. Raise taxes enough, business will go elsewhere. If you want a business to stay, make the environment business friendly. If you want them to ship jobs overseas, make it more costly do to business in the United States. Not rocket science kids.

  371. Cynthia it is all good and well to say the wealthy don’t pay their fair share. As it stands now the top 25% pay more than 90% of the entire tax burden. How about you be the first to step up to the intellectual plate, and say what that number should be. If you can’t you need to get off the soap box.

  372. Accepting your premise, that those 400 families have a huge unfair tax break, they are still funding the programs we do have for the poor. Stealing more money from them might be good, but the amount is still not enough to save us.

    Maybe we don’t need all of our military bases, but the Democrats hold most of the political power, now, and they are in no hurry to defund any of them. As a matter of fact, Leon Panetta announced the hope that we will still have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq through 2024. Negotiations continue. More soldiers have died in Afghanistan than in years past.

    Those wars belong to Obama. Bush got us into the wars, and Obama is keeping us there.

    A business is not a charity. Its only purpose is to earn money for its owners. If sending jobs overseas is most cost efficient, CEOs are earning their salaries by maximizing profits or in some cases keeping their companies solvent. It is our government’s job to close the loopholes or create conditions which let businesses stay profitable here.

    What did the Democrats do to help starving children when they controlled two branches of government? Either they didn’t care or they were inept.

    What are YOU doing to help starving children? You probably already are. Its a good feeling isn’t it?

    Time Magazine has an article about our returning veterans and the leadership they are providing. “…there is another compelling and decidedly conservative sense that is common to veterans that American society has gone soft and is filled with whiners, an entitlement culture lacking a sense of individual accountability…’The toughest part of leadership is telling people they have to do something that involves pain.'”

  373. Reality check James:

    Our son worked for many years for a multi-million dollar national company that contributed heavily to Republican causes but paid no income taxes. He worked as an independent contractor which meant that he had to set up his own retirement and health plans and paid double the going FICA rate.

    A couple months ago, the company notified him that they would not be renewing his contract but he could stay on a few months to train his Bangladeshi replacement.

    He took the hint and contracted some of his friends from a legit company that they all worked for over 20 years ago. He now has a new job that pays considerable less than his old one but with a company that pays substantial US taxes and doesn’t bury its profits in Caribbean banks.

  374. James I keep hearing this:

    “They are stating a fact. About 48% of the population makes no net income tax payment.”

    Why is it that 48% doesn’t pay income tax?

    Is it because:

    They don’t want to pay tax?
    They cheat on their return so they don’t have to pay tax?
    They would rather mooch off the government?
    They don’t have a job?
    They don’t have a job that pays enough to live on much less pay taxes?

    My opinion is that 90% of these people would like to make enough money so they could support themselves and their families AND PAY THEIR SHARE OF TAXES.

    How about those (wealthy and corporations) that do make enough money but don’t want to pay their share?

  375. 70 BILLION PER YEAR TAX BREAK TO THE WEALTHIEST 400 FAMILIES instead of funding programs which help children and the poor.
    700 Military bases overseas and we have the largest military cost by far of any other country INSTEAD OF HELPING OUR OWN PEOPLE, including children. 25% of children now live in poverty btw.
    BUSH GOT US INTO TWO WARS WHICH ARE TAKING MONEY OUT OF OUR ECONOMY! The wealthiest got their tax breaks – where are the jobs they were going to create with them – OVERSEAS!

    People should get emotional about children who are starving – it is real and I hope it touches people emotionally. REPUBLICAN PRIORITIES SAY TO HELL WITH THE CHILDREN AFTER THEY ARE BORN!!!!

  376. That link is pure emotionalism and demogogary. The number of poor has grown since Democrats have gained power in Congress and the Presidency. The young black unemployment rate in Washington DC is about 50%, and Obama is so worried he takes another vacation among the swells in Martha’s Vineyard.

    “Kids lose out again because” of Democratic political malpractice.

  377. It works both ways. Bill and Hillary seem to be doing fine. LBJ was another who’s political career made him rich. Kerry and Gore were already rich and Congress probably has as many Democratic as Republican multi- millionairs.

  378. Poor kids lose out again because of THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY! Food or heating a house for kids is not as important as the wealthiest getting tax breaks.

  379. Being a Conservative Republican Presidential Candidate is money in the bank! Rachel Maddow.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/rachel-maddow-discusses-how-republicans.html

  380. Absence of Alternatives, I don’t think the GOP is demonizing anyone. They are stating a fact. About 48% of the population makes no net income tax payment.

    Maybe so many people vote Republican because they know the bottom 50% works for the top 2% and if the top dogs do well, the others keep their jobs.

  381. That is because you bought the story and took it at face value. A closer look at the facts and you will find Liberals and the truth do not often cross paths.

  382. This Republican is for allowing the wealthy to voluntarily pay more taxes! He gets laughed at by the audience, disbelievers? Of course they will volunteer to pay more taxes after they pay off the jet.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/gop-rep-hultgren-mocked-town-hall-supporti

  383. You get what you vote for, yes. What I don’t understand is that with all the rhetorics spouted by the GOP to demonizing the poor (according to them 50% of the population) and to shielding the top 2% bracket, why are so many people still voting for them? I am honestly baffled.

  384. “As it withers
    Brittle it shakes
    Can you whisper
    As it crumbles and breaks
    As you shiver
    Count up all your mistakes
    Pair of forgivers
    Let go before its too late.”

    Naked and the Famous

  385. Bachmann to Perry – Bad to worse! Amen

    http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2011/08/defining-dumb-down.html

  386. The Fukashima coverup. It is worse than expected and there is no news of it in the US. Think China Sydrome.

    http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2011/08/the-great-fukashima-coverup.html/

  387. I believe that if one wanted to improve the economy the best, easiest, quickest way our move should be to reform and replace the tax code. It has several nearly insurmountable problems right now: Firstly, half of Americans are paying no taxes at all. Secondly, many of those who are escaping the tax would owe taxes in the high seven-to-nine figure range, providing considerable revenue without once again hitting the middle class, which is now paying most of all.

    Houdini liked to have members of the audience tie him up, and he always provided a very long rope. It was not only visually appealing, but the more they wound him up, the easier it was to escape, since every loop provided a little extra slack that could be exploited.

    In the same way, this unbelievably convoluted tax code makes it easy for those with lots of money to exploit that opaque labyrinth to end up paying no taxes at all.

    The US Constitution consists of 4618 words and has functioned since the late 1700’s to guide the whole country. The current tax code alone is 3.4 million words – 740 times as large – and is a complete mess. In 2002 alone, compliance alone costs nearly seven billion man-hours and over 100 billion dollars to US taxpayers. God only knows what the cost is now.

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/133.html

    Changing our code to a simple flat tax (as Russia and many other countries have done, much to their benefit), the Fair Tax (which I like) or a simple progressive tax based on tax tables if you think the rich should pay a higher percentage of their income would immediately provide a tremendous boon to our country’s welfare.

    I’m not holding my breath. I firmly believe nothing good will come out of Washington until this train really, really goes off the tracks. Maybe not even then…hold onto your hats, boys; this ain’t going to be fun. In the meantime I’m buying plows for my tractor and eying that flat 3/4 acre of lawn for a potential garden spot.

  388. Then, its like talking to yourself.

  389. i highly recommend it. to many angry people on here. harder to focus your rage when everyone is anon.

  390. I am now(and I suggest everybody)changing my name to Anonymous

  391. hmm…why all the hostility? just a really angry person per chance? If you would be so kind, if you can see past your rage, could you clarify what I misread? Here is the quote:

    Verizon is sending jobs overseas. They got a billion+ back from the IRS even though they paid no Federal Taxes

    So as I read it, they got over a billion back while paying no taxes, thus making a profit on their federal.

  392. Add reading comprehension to the skills you lack. From the linked source:

    You paid more taxes on your phone bill than Verizon paid in 2009 and 2010 in federal U.S. corporate taxes. They reported $24.2 billion in pre-tax U.S. income, and yet claimed a federal corporate refund of $1.3 billion. The company has $1.2 billion in unrepatriated foreign assets, money it is keeping offshore in order not to take tax reserves against it.

  393. if you recall…and i see you don’t, the claim was they paid no taxes and also made over $1 billion in tax return, thus a profit off their federal.

  394. The Verizon paid no taxes is easy to google.

    Try this one, anon: http://www.ips-dc.org/articles/stop_corporate_tax_dodging_talking_points_and_background_information

    You must like the taste of crow. Now can we move on?

  395. How sad, when will these guys ever be left alone? And we wonder why good people won’t enter politics.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/18/sarah-palin-stalking-case_n_930657.html?ncid=webmail1

  396. Anon, you going to provide the proof for your Verizon claims? Hard to read anything else you post when we all caught you in a lie.

  397. Protect GOLDMAN-SACHS is What Issa, the Republicans and Fox are doing now. Who cares that they rated junk bonds triple A and they caused the economy to collapse! Hire a hot shot from Goldman-Sachs to investigate the SEC! Brilliant thinking by Republicans.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/goldman-sachs-vp-changes-his-name-goe

  398. Jon Stewart did he math and he says, “KEEP THE BUSH TAX CUTS!” Make the poor pay!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/daily-show-wonders-if-perhaps-we-should.html

  399. Most of the bi- coastal press lied about candidate Obama even when he willingly gave hints of his true nature. I looked him up and based on what I found, I made a list of predictions to Sally. Inflation hasn’t happened yet, but it is on its way.

    “Bo” is just being himself, a politician who lies and who displays little concern for the constitutional separation of powers. As a liberal Democrat, Obama enjoys kinder treatment from the press than his Republican counterparts. He holds few surprises for me.

    “Bo” may not be your friend, but the press is your enemy.

  400. anon –

    I agree. I am seriously disappointed in Obama and his minions, especially Bernanke, Rubin, Geithner, et al. Disappointed might not be a strong enough word. Furious might be the right word.

    I’ve been reading some really good economics books in the mornings for the past six months or so. (Once a geek – you know the rest. LOL). There have been several questions in my mind for years, one of which is: Why does the govt think 4% inflation is hunky-dory and any deflation is horrible?

    I found the answer: inflation is a hidden tax that transfers money from you and me to the ever-hungrier government spending machine. Neither Obama nor any of his recent predecessors have had the gonads to STOP SPENDING, and since Nixon decoupled the value of the dollar from gold in 1971 none of the administrations have had any incentive to not just keep printing money.

    Now, since 2008 the money supply has *tripled.* Think about that for a minute. Tripled. There is officially little inflation because Greenspan changed the way it is calculated; in reality it is running about 7-9%. Anybody who has to buy gas, food, clothing knows that. The govt can just not live within its means and I am telling you right now, we are headed into some really really bad times. The govt just keeps spending borrowed money and printing more; it has to stop somewhere, but they don’t have what it takes to stop until we run this train off the trestle. I am not optimistic.

    No, Bo is not my friend.

  401. Being smart and being right is not always synonymous.

  402. During the rest of her speech, Maxine Waters said blacks are getting tired, and though they support Obama the time is coming to fish or cut bait. She asked the crowd to tell us when to do that. Many shouted “cut.”

    Obama needs all of the votes he can get. He should not take any for granted. Black voters were beside themselves by the symbolism of the victory. The knew hope and change would better their lives. Instead they got no change and no hope.

    Obama’s failure to recognize the value of symbolism is only one sign of his failure to deviate from the script printed in his mind. He may be smart, but if Obama was a plant or animal species, he would be extinct.

  403. “Maxine Waters said “We don’t know why on this trip that he’s in the United States now, he’s not in any black communities. We don’t know that.” Realclear politics has the video.”

    I think that’s called “being smart.” He already has those votes; they are not the voters he needs to woo.

  404. Poolman –

    Thanks much for the Ron Paul video. What the hell is wrong with this country that this guy can’t get any traction? He is absolutely consistent in his beliefs, completely opposed to all our foreign adventuring, furious about the money printing. He is diametrically opposed to what the Repubs and Dems are doing and is in complete alignment with the American public, who – like I – is fed up with both major parties.

    What is the problem?

  405. I’m not so worried about a religious take over of our country because the cycle of aggressive spirituality is moving toward its nadir. As uawtradesman pointed out, the left uses religion too.

    Caroline Kennedy tried show the Tea Party is unchristian because they don’t follow the Biblical admonition to help the poor. She forgot the Bible told us to help the poor with our own money, not someone elses.

    I agree with Mageen that “racial and cultural panic” is a serious threat. The networks are studiously ignoring the flash mobs which are attacking whites, Asians and Hispanics. If the trend continues, the victimized groups will eventually counter attack. That’s what worries me.

  406. Chart of the day: CHART OF THE DAY: *Government* Jobs Led To Perry’s Economic Boom

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/chart-of-the-day-government-jobs-led-to-perrys-economic-boom.php

  407. so Perry half filled a stadium…….If it was the Stones or Kidd Rock they’d quit(there was over 40,000 at Kidd Rock’s birthday party)…….BE Afraid—Be Very Afraid…….

    some 30,000 Christian believers departed The Response feeling blessed after a day of singing, praying, praising and — for some – fasting. (Long lines besieged concession stands throughout the day.)

    http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/08/30000-jam-stadium-to-share-rick-perrys-prayer-for-america/

    Nancy Pelosi, messenger of God? The House Speaker’s galling, hypocritical religious opportunism

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-06-03/news/29437842_1_favorite-word-religious-leaders-religious-revival

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover—team-mohammed-vs–team-jesus

    There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.

  408. [...] appreciate this most recent post on Margaret and Helen’s blog not only because of what Helen says about the evils of mixing [...]

  409. Anonymous, the fuel for such an event I mentioned in a previous post is this: racial and cultural panic. It is still very, very much around and robust. Watch how many of the presidential wannabes attach politics to this. If you watched the Rick Perry stadium show on TV, could you imagine how welcome certain faith-sets were and how some definitely were not? And I’m not talking Islam. Think outside the Reformation.

  410. Which one of you anons said FB was not a serious media source? How would you like that crow served, in a pie? :cool:

    The Constitutional Council was highly active on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Flickr, where they solicited comments and suggestions for the new government. On Friday July 29th, 2011, the Iceland parliament officially received the new constitution, comprised of 114 articles divided into 9 chapters. Set to be reviewed, and then put before vote for ratification by October 1st, the internet-assisted document marks a possible paradigm shift in governing. In the 21st Century, we’re writing our constitutions with social media. The future is a crazy place.

    http://singularityhub.com/2011/08/03/25-ordinary-citizens-write-icelands-new-constitution-with-help-from-social-media/

  411. uaw, did you catch this from the Daily Show?

    http://www.disinfo.com/2011/08/jon-stewart-scolds-media-for-ignoring-ron-paul-video/

  412. Thanks Anon.

  413. Maxine Waters said “We don’t know why on this trip that he’s in the United States now, he’s not in any black communities. We don’t know that.” Realclear politics has the video.

  414. UAW, let me guess. You listened to Glenn Beck today?

    NOPE…Drudge and the Daily Show…..I did miss Rush today(picking dill)……OH the joy of googling….

  415. I believe there is a filter that anyone not logged in every so often holds the post back I assume to check for spam or advertising. Give it 20 seconds and refresh and the post will appear.

  416. My post made it through after all.

  417. Computer problems. That last comment was mine.

  418. Mageen, and anon, something ate what I just wrote. I think the latest religious movement reached its peak in the eighties and began to fade in the late nineties.

    It is something to watch, but right now, I believe the national mood is more secular than it was.

  419. Mageen, thirty years ago, I would have agreed with you about an immediate potential danger. Some of the people who entered our Republican conventions when Reagan ran were creepy. As late as around 2002, an entire table emptied when I opposed removing evolution from the schools. If dirty looks could kill, my funeral would have been several days later.

    Remember about that time, religious shows were so popular Phil Collins sang “talking to Jesus” in 1993. I believe evangelical Christianity reached its apex in the eighties and nineties. Some passionate religionists are still around, but as anon noted they are less common than they once were.

    As you wrote, religious awakenings do happen from time to time, and we need to watch for them. I think the national mood has changed now.

  420. How did you find out where the bus was fixed up?

    AM Radio news.

    But if he did, and it were televised, your comment would have been… what? Be honest, please

    This is why I am an independent. It allows me the freedom to openly praise or criticize with extreme prejudiced. If he had visited the poor black communities, I would not have said much. I feel he would have been doing what he should be doing in a situation like this, ie being a leader. He needed to step up, announce that he was canceling his vacation, and call congress back. Even if doing so would not get his plan implemented any faster, at least he would show the American people that this is urgent business, and that his job and duties as President are more important than taking yet another vacation. In times like these I expect my public officials to be putting in overtime, not taking a month off. One word sums it up nicely for me. Inappropriate.

  421. UAW, let me guess. You listened to Glenn Beck today?

    Anon, my point is that no matter what Obama does, you’ll have criticism to fling. He can’t win with people like you. First of all, I don’t know that he didn’t visit ‘black communities’ as not everything he does is televised. But if he did, and it were televised, your comment would have been… what? Be honest, please.

    How did you find out where the bus was fixed up?

  422. Would you contact your obstructionist representatives and urge them to get reforms passed,

    Obstructionism is exactly what we need our representatives to continue to do until we can march Democrats to the curb next November. It’s the best the House can do right now and they are doing exactly what we elected them to so.

    Obstructionism of bad reform is a good thing.

  423. Iowa should have a good crop, its true. However much of the state needs rain. The latest estimates have lowered the percentage of good to excellent corn and beans. Ironically our ground is besotted by water, and it is sub irrigating our crops.

    Delurkergurl, that is a fair question.

    Obama could help the economy by undoing some of the regulations his officials are limposing on the country. A farmer asked him about them, and Obama brushed him off. Virtual cap and trade is bypassing Congress through regulation. This week, a Nebraska official said it will cause some area coal firing plants to go out of business, and our electricity rates will rise. The courts say Salizar’s ban on drilling is illegal. If we drilled for more domestic oil, we would have more jobs, and the price of energy would be slower to rise.

    Obama should consider, not adopt all of Ryans’ plan, the only complete theory of how to treat the economy. Or he might consider the Bowles- Simpson Plan he commissioned. He could drop his plan to tax everyone earning more than $200,000 to $250,000 per year. Obama should stop being an obstructionist in the budget debate. He has been the one to refuse to give real ground. Remember he and Boenher had an agreement until the president upped the anti and killed it. Obama should agree to fix the parts of Obama care which will make insurance more expensive and which will add to our deficiet according to the CBO.He needs a coherant policy without the implied surprises he now shows us. Employers are afraid and are saving their money for until they know what will happen.

    Symbolism is important. His using Canadian buses, his refusal to visit our flood area or the southern drought are bad enough. However, when he says he will present a jobs plan after his vacation belies his stated urgency to help the economy create more jobs. That really looks bad. If he was the CEO of a business in dire straights he would not be taking a vacation.

    The Democrats could write the budget they have failed to do for years.

    I would praise the president for changing any one or two of the above policies. It would show he can learn from reality as Clinton did.

  424. if you want to get into extremes don’t forget Louis Farakin

    Louis Farrakhan: Obama Is A ‘Murderer,’ An ‘Assassin’

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/louis-farrakhan-obama-murderer-assassin_n_880973.html

    They call them terrorists, I call them freedom fighters.
    Louis Farrakhan

    so when Biden and other Dems call the teapartyers terrorists……..

  425. Mageen

    Maybe I am just naive, but I do not see any of this aggressiveness in religions that you people seem to perceive. My mother is Pentecostal, step mother and by default my dad are southern Baptists. Grandmothers are Catholic and 7th day Adventists. I consider my family to be armchair Baptists. Point being I feel I have a fairly diverse background in various different ministries.

    That said none of the churches I attend and know(many are family friends) have even modest desires to have religion inserted into government. They not only recognize and respect the separation of church and state, they advocate for it. They want no part of politics and want politics and government to play no role in their religion. That is not to say that there are not elements in the religious community that desire it, but I think if you take an objective look, by enlarge most want no part in it and would not support it.

    Now there is a desire to have our politicians act in a way that is in accordance with the teachings of the bible. Mostly humility, treat each other well, that kind of thing. None of us advocate missionary work. We are not in the God recruiting business. We tell what we believe, but people have to come of their own accord, not be “sold” on religion for it to have meaning.

    All this said is the foundation for my confusion for this grave threat many of you see from the Christian community. I have faith we will mind our p’s and q’s. I have faith in our constitution and that it wasn’t so poorly written that it could be that easily circumvented. I refuse to let fear of what might be dictate how I live my life and how I treat others. Decisions made out of fear are rarely productive or wise. How you deal with it is up to you. That is just my take.

  426. I forgot Janet……Napolitano or Reno….don’t matter….

  427. I’m more worried about Nancy, Harry,and Barack calling in the troops…..

  428. Anonymous, in response to your contribution on Aug. 16 at 12:54 PM, what I expounded was a very, very widespread nightmare in this country and it has come very close in our history. Not just the Great Revival of the early 19th century or the leather lunged preachers in public, in Boston for example, in the 18th century which drew crowds by the thousands. See also much the same thing in the 20th century. This type of ground swell event is not likely to go away, no matter how corrupt the practicioners may be found. As for our magnificent Constitution, all it would take is a cotery of such believers at the highest levels declaring some sort of war powers emergency and an accommodating Supreme Court and a spineless Congress with their “patriotism” in question. Would the people rebel against this? Maybe, but it would be damn difficult when the 101st Airborne works for the leader.

  429. #1 use a US company to refurbish the bus, if getting US citizens jobs is indeed important to him.( How is this constitutes a cheap shot? A lot of families are suffering big time) #2 Symbolism is important. Showing up in a poor black community would mean a lot to these people, There are a lot of suffering people in need some hope. He is in a position to give them some hope, or just show them he cares by taking of his personal time to see some of them. (How is this a cheap shot?) #3 Didn’t Obama have complete control of the house and senate as well as being President for 2 years? Not sure how you can ask for a better odds than that. Just the facts. (How is this considered a cheap shot.) Out of curiosity why was the drunk comment necessary? Did I do something to you?

  430. How would you propose Obama help them? Other getting hung from a tree, just what could Obama do that you could praise him for? Would you contact your obstructionist representatives and urge them to get reforms passed, or just keep on taking cheap shots like the drunk at the end of a bar?

  431. Was rather wondering why on Obama’s grand tour, in a bus refurbished in Canada, why his travels didn’t take him to any black communities? Maybe while he is at his plush resort vacation he could take the time and lick some stamps and send over his new grand proposal to boost the economy and job growth. If not all the suffering poor can surely hold out for the duration of this latest vacation.

  432. The USDA predicted Iowa’s total corn production will rise from 2.15 billion bushels in 2010 to 2.43 billion billion bushels in 2011. Iowa’s harvest is predicted to yield 177 bushels per acre

    http://thegazette.com/2011/08/15/for-first-time-more-corn-to-be-used-for-ethanol-than-livestock/

    http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/08/17/obama-dismisses-farmers-concerns-about-regulations-dont-always-believe-what-you-hear

    Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/black-caucus-tired-making-excuses-obama

  433. That is a wonderful story. Your confined space comment reminded me of what I thought when we discovered we were trying to light a blasting cap in a five foot trench. I wondered where all of that energy would go and that being in the trench was a bad idea.

    When we blasted the lake bed, we had taken shelter in a channel a long way from the site. We waited a long time, and we were afraid the fuse had burned out. I looked over the edge as it suddenly blew. Two and three foot chunks of dirt landed near us, but we never had to contend with an air- born stump.

    We were dismantling a garage, and my uncle and father recalled when they were young and tore down a house. Sometime went wrong, and an outside wall fell toward a man on the floor. Everyone yelled at him to run, but he stood still and watched the wall. Then, he moved a step or two before the wall crashed down.

    As the wall fell, the man stood beneath a window. When it was over, he was unharmed with the window around him.

  434. You shouldn’t get me started on stories.

    When I was in high school, an older friend, Joe A. was clearing some steep hillside property of stumps. He was a little eccentric, which was part of the reason I liked to hang out with him. He was also a coal miner, and at that time if you needed “powder” for some project or other, the supplies clerk at the mine would just ask you how much you needed and give it to you, since they shot hundreds of pounds of dynamite every day. (Man, the good old days…)

    When I arrived on my little Suzuki 90 dirt bike after school I found him standing by a particularly magnificent stump scratching his head. “What’s the matter, Joe?”

    “I’ve shot this damned thing four times now and all I am doing is blowing out the dirt from under it.”

    Sure enough he had created what’s called a “duck’s nest” under the stump and it was still supported above the cavity by a multitude of large roots.

    I had shot quite a bit of powder with my dad and I told Joe what I thought the problem was. “You have a big duck’s nest and the powder can’t work unless it is confined.”

    “Hell, I ain’t going to pack a bunch of dirt under it. I’ll just put what powder I have left and it’ll HAVE to go!”

    I still remember what he had. Eleven sticks. That is a lot of dynamite. Sure enough he packed the remaining eleven sticks together under the stump and we retired to the barn about a hundred yards away to set it off.

    When it detonated, it sounded like the crack of doom. Jesus Christ that scared me!

    I poked my head out the barn door and sure enough the stump was gone! “Well, Joe, I wouldn’t have believed it!” As we started toward the hole I heard a low whistling sound.

    Jesus, Joe, where is the stump?!!!

    We looked at each other and realized at the same time that we’d better run. Holy sh*t!!!! We turned around and ran back into the barn just as the stump hit about forty feet away. It had been in the air for at least ten seconds, and if it had struck the barn we were in, it for sure would have brought the roof in on us.

    “Well, that turned out pretty good, didn’t it?

    “Turned out good?! Are you f**in’ crazy?! You could have killed us! I’m going home!”

    And so I did. He is still living, but very old and sick. We still laugh about it sometimes when I visit back home.

  435. Yes, Pfessor, it is amazing what you can do with explosives.I’ve seen films of explosives used to open railroad tunnels in the Rockies and also to clear part of the Mullhunen canal which provides water to Los Angeles.

    When I was in college my father, brother and I used 25 sticks of dymamite and several bags of dry nitrogen fertilizer to blow a hole in our dry lake to uncover an old spring. It worked.

    I helped pay my way through college by working on a river. Two of us were told to dig a long trench five feet deep prepratory to making a boat landing. We buried fifteen sticks of dynamite and tried to light the fuse. We stupid teenagers thought we could light the fuse in the trench and scramble out in time. We used a book of matches with no result. My companion took out his cigarette lighter and held it to the fuse, but nothing happened.

    I asked “are you sure we hooked it up right?” “I guess so.” “Lets check.” We had reversed the fuse and all of that time were were trying to light the blasting cap. “We’d better not tell the boss.”

    A couple of years later, as I sat in the college library, a girl accidently bumped into my chair. She appologized. Then, she asked why I had drawn weather maps on my history notes. In course of our conversation, I told my explosive story, and the girl was amazed. One thing led to another, and we are still married.

    Explosives have been very good to me.

  436. Maybe we can get back on the topic at a later date after we give others a chance to post.

  437. anon –

    Not a problem. Your points were all well-taken; it is actually very pleasant to discuss a difficult topic with someone who is able to remain cordial and not descend into ad hominem. It’s just that we are “hogging the blog;” I’ve done that before and folks don’t like it. No offense meant or taken from this side as well.

  438. PFesser, I wanted to add it was not my intention to offend you or to beat the horse to death, I just felt you were answering questions I had not asked and not really speaking to what I did ask. As a sales rep a cardinal rule is to never ever talk about religion or politics, and it is pretty obvious why. Either way was trying to get to the bottom of a topic that I have not been able to wrap my mind around.

  439. James – I had an explosives class in engineering school and it was extremely enjoyable. We watched a DuPont video where they blew an irrigation ditch through solid rock for a mile. The charges went off in sequence, maybe 1/10 sec between each and then about a 1sec delay and the little dike at the end was blown and the water ran through. Just amazing what you can do with a little “powder” – as we called it – if you know what you’re doing.

  440. I’ll tell them Pfessor. One of the groups I am proudest of is the farmers, construction companies and the DOT who under the leadership of a retired Corps of Engineers hydrological engineer and now farmer rebuilt fifty year old levies and created new ones along a thirty mile stretch.

    The dike broke and when water became deeper on the flooded than on the river side, the group asked permission from the Corps of Engineers to cut the dike. After two days, the Corps said it was their levy, and they could do what they wanted.

    Other governments and agencies hesitated to give permission because they worried about the effect down stream. The group found an approved explosives contractor and gave five minutes to two hours notice before they blew the dike.

    It probably saved part of a town where the back water was creeping east within a few miles. The reaction was loud, on talk radio and the news, but no one could prove the group had not followed the rules.

    They operated under the assumption that it is better to appologize later than to ask permission now.

    I enjoyed your religious discussion, but I haven’t had time to read it all.

  441. Burning at the stake and stoning come to mind. Hanging for witchcraft, genital mutilation, polygamy, forced marriage of pre-pubescent little girls to old men, tearing flesh off women’s breasts with red-hot pincers…you know, the run-of-the-mill stuff which is religion’s proud heritage.

    I can understand your frustration and our disconnect. We were obviously talking about two completely different topics.

  442. anon –

    No offense, but I am going to make this my last comment. Others would like to get in here and I am sure they find us getting a bit tedious.

    “…that to an atheist, it should be irrelevant, but for most it seems to be the exact opposite. They seem to be hyper focused at the removal of all religion, even though much of it is in our countries history and I would argue heritage.”

    That’s not been my experience. What *has* been my experience is that any legitimate criticism is perverted to “you are attacking religion!” which is not only dishonest, but untrue.

    “What events or conditions do you think are alive and well today that you feel would defeat these measures and allow for a religious state to exist?”

    That good men do nothing, to quote the sage.

    ” you admit we are a nation of many religions, but in the same breath being part of a religion disqualifies that person in your eyes.”

    Nope, didn’t say that. Nothing like it. ..ah, here it is:
    ‘A candidate whose entire life revolves around his religion and whose decisions – affecting all of us – will likely be made on that basis is unqualified for office. We are a nation of Many religions.’

    “What would make you feel this large population of people do not deserve to have their points of view represented in office?

    Didn’t say that either.

    “I am also curious what values in religion that you find objectionable and a bad fit for our government?”

    Burning at the stake and stoning come to mind. Hanging for witchcraft, genital mutilation, polygamy, forced marriage of pre-pubescent little girls to old men, tearing flesh off women’s breasts with red-hot pincers…you know, the run-of-the-mill stuff which is religion’s proud heritage.

    Oh, did I leave out “honor killings” and hanging women who have been raped from construction equipment?

    That should do for a start…I have more, though.

    “For the most part I find these values to be positive in nature, and considering the level of corruption in our government I would think many more positive things would happen in government and for our country were more traditional religious values observed than negative, especially should we continue on our current course.”

    I’m all in favor of positive values. Hell, we’re ALL in favor of Mom, apple pie and the girl you left behind. But you can have all these good things just by saying, “Let’s have some good things!” and leave the superstition out of it.

    Sorry. The End for me. Next topic.

  443. Ok first off I apologize for making myself unclear. I have been saying all along, that to an atheist, it should be irrelevant, but for most it seems to be the exact opposite. They seem to be hyper focused at the removal of all religion, even though much of it is in our countries history and I would argue heritage.

    A candidate whose entire life revolves around his religion and whose decisions – affecting all of us – will likely be made on that basis is unqualified for office. We are a nation of Many religions.

    This would be the inconsistencies I speak of. First off I understand your desire not to have religion enter and take over our government. I would ask the same question of you I asked Mageen. We already have safeguards in place to protect from that very thing from happening. What events or conditions do you think are alive and well today that you feel would defeat these measures and allow for a religious state to exist? I want to understand where you are coming from but if there is not a viable, legitimate threat then it would seem to me to either be an excuse to push a cause or an irrational fear. Either way I do not think it would be good to dictate policy based on what “might” happen.

    Secondly, you admit we are a nation of many religions, but in the same breath being part of a religion disqualifies that person in your eyes.. I am to this day under the impression that we all get fair representation. We have a significant Christian presence in our country and have had since our country was founded. What would make you feel this large population of people do not deserve to have their points of view represented in office?

    I am also curious what values in religion that you find objectionable and a bad fit for our government? For the most part I find these values to be positive in nature, and considering the level of corruption in our government I would think many more positive things would happen in government and for our country were more traditional religious values observed than negative, especially should we continue on our current course.

  444. James –
    Moving back, huh? Damn fine people. Tell them an old Hillbilly said that he is proud to be on the same planet with them. It is such a shame that those bastards who get their mail in Washington DC live in the same country. They are not fit to carry manure for their gardens.

  445. Thank you Pfessor.

    I don’t know when life will return to normal. The DOT says our interstates and several bridges may not be repaired until 2012 or 2013. The detours are a real pain for truckers, tourists, and locals who want to go to Kansas City, and to a lessor degree, Sioux City.

    A week or so ago, the Corps of Engineers estimated their costs to be over a billion dollars so far. That doesn’t include cities, farms, the DOT etc. The Missouri River should be within its banks some time in September. It will take longer for water to flow back into the channel, and it will stay in low spots until it soaks away.

    We just returned home on the detour north of Omaha. Trap bags keep water from the highway, so it is almost like driving in a tunnel. The water has fallen a foot or so, and shallow places have become mud flats. Much of the initially shallow water a mile or so north of us has soaked away.

    Our farmstead and machinery are fine. Water did lap around the dike on the east side of the farmstead, but it soaked away before it killed the soy beans.
    Crops at home and on another farm look good. A third of our land is under 2 to 10 feet of water.We will notice that missing third of our income more next year than this.so we are not spending what we don’t have to. There will be some crop insurance.

    No one knows if the land will be farmable next year. I think ours will be all right since it was protected from the main channel current, but we still don’t know how much sand if any was dropped on the land. We don’t know if the water will be gone by spring.We also don’t know how many if any soil microoganisms have been killed by the long period of flooding. One man found a seven foot layer of sand on part of a field.

    Compared to some others, we are pretty lucky.

    People are moving back. Some are removing dikes and sand bags, but most haven’t touched them yet. Our dentist expects to be back in his office some time in September. Our school will start on schedule this week. News shows go for days without talking about the flood.

    Living this way has become the new normal for the rest of this summer at least.

  446. “My point has been, and my question to you is, why should, or would, an atheist care?”

    By the same logic, why would someone who is childless care if his neighbor killed his own children? He cares because it is wrong and he has an obligation to his fellow travellers to oppose wrong.

    By the same token, I care because I am first and foremost an American citizen; believing or not believing in your god is irrelevant. As a (very) amateur historian, I have seen over and over what happens when religion is injected into politics and I don’t want that for my country. Whether I believe in your god, no god or the Great Cosmic Muffin is completely irrelevant.

    A candidate whose entire life revolves around his religion and whose decisions – affecting all of us – will likely be made on that basis is unqualified for office. We are a nation of Many religions; a president bent on making HIS dominant – whether he is a Christian, Buddhist or Mohammedan – must find another line of work IMHO.

  447. James –
    We should all admire your stalwart attitude in the face of such a disaster. Well done.

    Do you have any personal estimates of when you can get your farm back in production and your lives back to some semblance of normalcy? Did any of your equipment go underwater? How about livestock? Of course a lot of the crops drowned. How much property stayed relatively dry? Any crops remaining that you will be able to harvest?

  448. There are measures in place in our founding documents to prevent such an occurrence. What factors are in place that you see that would defeat these measures and allow for the possibility of a state supported religion?

  449. I think what really chews peoples’ socks is the possibility of a state supported religion with tax money going to pay clergy of all levels such as in Greece.

    It has only been lately learned that as far as a lot of the plantation owners were concerned during the Civil War, establishing one religion was a part of their plan. That religion would have declared slavery to be God-given and therefore holy. Any other religion or faith-practice would be outlawed and adherents would be severely punished when apprehended as traitors. Such stuff to be considered when you hear political wanna-be’s spouting off.

  450. I also think it is necessary to profess ones faith. We elect leaders for the kind of people they are. For many their religion is a big part of what makes them who they are. It tells us about their thought process, where decisions come from, and it gives us an insight to the kind of choices they will make once in office.

    My point has been, and my question to you is, why should, or would, an atheist care? If it is all non sense mythology, but is set in values most of us can agree with, then why would it be an issue where those fundamental beliefs originate? To me there seems to be a contradiction, or at the very least an inconsistency, in saying that there is no God, but it matters if you believe in God (in the Christan sense for the sake of this argument.) If this is truly the belief you hold, then the conversation shouldn’t be about God and or religion, but rather about their moral and ethical beliefs and how or if they conflict with yours. Maybe even if you deem them in conflict with the duties of the job they are tasked to perform.

  451. Our flood continues. The natural gas pipeline which lies under our farm has burst, and the highway north of home is closed. Divers are searching for the break. An estimated 140,000 gallons of natural gas has escaped, but no one is sure where it is. It may have volitilized in the swift flood current, or have been diluted. It will be less damaging than the earlier oil pipeline break in Montana.

    Divers and others have noted severe damage to interstate bridges, the highway, and other roads.

    A survey showed 50% of area businesses are adversly affected. Families are still living in camp grounds, a defunct college dorm, and friends’ homes.

    Farm income will fall dramatically.

    Like Katrina, and other disasters, this will have a slight effect on the national economy.

    Few care, but writing this is my attempt at tokenism.

  452. The Drudge Report linked to an article which stated Ron Paul is being frozen out of news coverage. He is more than a fringe candidate this time.

    pfessor, it is necessary for a politician to flaunt his/her faith. Clinton, for example carried his Bible so voters could see he was a Christian. Carter’s evangelical Christianity attracted born again Christians.

    We are a tribal society, and atheists remain a minority. Most people vote for candidates who they believe share their attitudes and values. History has shown moral values are not irrelevant to doing the job. Politicians may not hold those values, but they want the public to believe they do.

    If Romney is the Repblican candidate, Democrats will attack his religion as politicians of both parties have done before.

    Rick Perry may want to turn this country into a theocracy, but he doesn’t worry me. The majority will have no part of it. Again, history shows such extreme efforts fail.

  453. “what does the label Christan matter? Again being atheist, I would think you wouldn’t care what it is called so long is the end result is a desirable one.

    Also, to call them Christan values is to define them within the faith, but not to say they are exclusive to the faith.”

    Exactly. Doesn’t matter at all. So, it’s not necessary for a politician to flaunt his religion in public any more than the fact he has a nice moustache. It’s irrelevant to doing the job. And doing so alerts folks that he just might be thinking of breaching – or at least stretching – The Wall, and mixing his policies with his religion. Which of course the Constitution prohibits – with good reason. A little history will tell you what that reason is.

  454. Too bad Ron Paul doesn’t get the media coverage he should, but then, look who owns the media. It boils down to who they want, usually someone easy to control that sticks to the agenda without looking like a patsy.

    I think Obama threw them off last go round and containing him has been akin to a greased pig contest.

  455. Nice bit of comedy Anon. Like all of your other posts it fails to pass muster. It makes erroneous claims citing but failing to actually prove their connection.

    I imagine this guy is your idol. He like yourself, have already decided the outcome of the arguments you set forth, and bring any and all evidence, no matter how unconnected, irrelevant, twisted, or misleading it may be.

    FYI still waiting for you to post your evidence on your claims on Verizon. Until you do will consider you flat busted in a lie.

  456. The Stealing of Elections by Republicans! 5 stolen elections since Eisenhower was President. Interesting stuff.

  457. I do get your point but my question still stands. If the end result is we treat each other well, or have a more ethical government, what does the label Christan matter? Again being atheist, I would think you wouldn’t care what it is called so long is the end result is a desirable one.

    Also, to call them Christan values is to define them within the faith, but not to say they are exclusive to the faith.

  458. “Taking into account what traditional Christan values are, and also taking into account the level of corruption in our government today, what Christan values do you find issue with?”

    I think you have pointed out what I am talking about. There are myriad good ideas out there about how you treat your fellow traveller. What makes them Christian values? Nothing at all. They are just proper behavior. You don’t need Christianity to do that, and most of it was enumerated long before Christ lived. I’m not expressing it very well, but there is this idea that if you aren’t a Christian, you don’t have morals or know how to treat others and it just isn’t so.

    About thirty years ago I stopped to help a fellow who was struggling in a parking lot in Beckley, WV with his dead auto. I don’t remember what the problem was, but I wasn’t busy and loaded him in my car, drove him to the auto parts store, brought him back to the dead auto and helped him put the parts on. When we were done, we were both soaked and cold; he offered to pay me and I said no. He invited me to his church. I said I was an atheist.

    It had a profound effect on him. He kept looking at me like I was from Mars. “How can you spend two hours in a snowstorm, cold and wet, drive me to the parts store and help me put them on and not believe in God?” I told him I believed we should treat each other well BECAUSE we were alone and had nobody else.

    Never saw him again. He never got it.

  459. Ron Paul remains media poison

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61412.html

  460. John F Kennedy also damaged our country and one might argue he indirectly led us to the place where Nixon undid the gold standard. Kennedy wanted a clean invasion of Cuba and he failed to protect the Bay of Pigs invaders. They begged for air support which was available off shore, but Kennedy didn’t approve it. He abandoned them.

    Kennedy fell into a depression because he regretted what had happened. He also said that Khrushev believed him to be a stupid weakling after the Vienna conference. The day after the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy knew he had to regain face. He sent more troops to Vietnam and continued the buildup which followed.

    We need traditional Christian values in government whether our leaders are religious or not.

    Sometimes, I think atheists take issue with Christianity because it threatens their own religion.

    Ron Paul is not my choice, Poolman, but we could do worse.

  461. Secondly, others’ beliefs are their own business absolutely – until they try to insinuate them into the government,

    Taking into account what traditional Christan values are, and also taking into account the level of corruption in our government today, what Christan values do you find issue with?

  462. Poolman is going to vote for either Michele Backmann or Rick Perry?????????

    Bite your tongue, uaw! Right now it looks like Ron Paul gets my vote, unless Obama is able to pull a rabbit out his hat before then.

  463. Sorry – didn’t mean to get so aggressive there. Frankly, the Palins, Bushes, Bachmanns and Perrys scare me to death. And it’s a damned shame, because I believe Perry has what it takes to get us out of this financial death spiral. Oh well…

    On to something more germane to everyday life. Milton Friedman, when asked which president did the most damage to the American economy, stated flatly: Richard Nixon. And his most egregious mistake was not Watergate, it was taking us completely off the gold standard.

    This is the best explanation of what “money” actually is – nothing but a yardstick that allows one good or service to be measured in value against another, since in the final analysis, we are trading goods and services with each other, not money. And an excellent analysis IMHO as to how taking us off a solid currency has damaged this country. (Frankly, I am not optimistic about our future for at least the next twenty years. Heck, I just hope we survive…)

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Today-Marks-40th-Anniversary-wscheats-1950132810.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=

  464. Anon –
    Couple of things: firstly, while religion is not for me, I have no problem with what others believe. But, on the other hand, religion gets a kind of “pass” that other equally improbable beliefs would not. (i.e. the unicorn/skittles belief. Folks would just say, “That’s just silly!” Why, yes it is, isn’t it? So why give any MORE consideration to something equally unlikely?) So I don’t give it any more respect than I would flying cookie monsters or skittles-pooping unicorns. Nor any less; it’s just that religious people are not used to being held to the same standards as others and they perceive that as persecution or, my personal favorite, “militant atheism.”

    Secondly, others’ beliefs are their own business absolutely – until they try to insinuate them into the government, and then we have a fight on our hands. Clearly the Dominionist movement is trying to do that, and starting with Carter, Reagan, Bush the Lesser, etc. these folks are trying more and more to force their particular religion on the public and I have a problem with that.

    American government is secular. Period. And it will remain so. And you can count on it – any time the camel tries to stick its nose under the tent and breach that Wall Between Cjurch and State, there will be people just like me to put a stop to it. Not only is it bad for the church, it is death for the State and it will NOT happen.

  465. ??????????????

    Poolman is going to vote for either Michele Backmann or Rick Perry?????????

  466. PFesser,

    Truth comes from many sources and the “Christian scripture” is one source. You will find other writings that agree with many of the precepts found in the Bible. Can you dispute the truth regarding our “treasure” and our “heart”? Of course, the physical organ that is our heart and the “core of our being” or our “innermost self” may or may not reside in the same space. One is physically tangible while the other is vapor.

    From my perspective, I can see God’s signature in and on everything in creation. We can choose to overlook it and even ask for another “miracle” for proof. Either way, we all must deal with our relationship to this universe in one form or fashion, as we are all bound by it’s laws.

    Some see design and purpose where others see randomness or chaos. What causes birds and fish to move in sync? Why does one seed become a tree and another a carrot? Most people are so caught into the struggle that we call life, or live in a synthetic world of their own making, that we rarely ponder the important questions or take time to observe the world around us. That is why we are instructed to “have child-like faith”. A child doesn’t carry as many preconceived notions that limit his/her perceptions.

    You can choose to ignore scripture and deem it prudent to do so, but you won’t be able to claim ignorance and you do it at your own peril. None of it should ever be forced on you, as some would choose to govern.

  467. Religion is not one of those things that is supposed to make sense to the analytical mind. It is about faith. It is not something that is quantifiable. There is no empirical data to back up the majority of their claims, that is just not what it is about. At the very least you have a interesting story that is a guide on how to live a good life. I get the atheist position, partially. I get that as an atheist you don’t believe. What I do not get is the opposition to religion in general. If non belief is based on knowing their is no truth to it, what harm can you be caused by other’s beliefs, if what they believe typically only makes them better human beings.

    Lets say you have an imaginary friend. I do not care as long as that friend isn’t telling you to go kill someone. If you are otherwise a productive, healthy person, who might just be a little lonely and are somehow better for having that imaginary friend, then more power to you. I have my beliefs, I do not care if others do not share in those beliefs, or believe in things that conflict with what I believe. As long as their beliefs are not imposed on me then we have no problems. Why is that not the case with many atheists? Why are they so proactive to have God removed from everything? What harm do they feel they are being caused?

  468. Poolman, the problem with quoting Christian scripture is that it conveniently bypasses the very first question: why, when all religious dogma says that all OTHER religious dogma is in error, should one pick THAT one to believe? Where is the proof that Christian writings are true and everybody else is wrong? Can’t all be true; in fact only one (or NONE) can be so.

    Until someone can answer that first question, I believe one has to reject it all. He who asserts bears the burden of proof. As I have said before, if I believe unicorns visit my property every night and poop Skittles, it is not up to you to prove me wrong; it is my burden to prove it is so. (I look for Skittles every morning when I get up, but don’t tell anybody.) Claims for hundreds of imaginary beings have been made; it is not the public’s burden to prove they don’t exist; it is up to the proponents to prove their case.

    I believe prudence dictates that they should simply be ignored until they do.

  469. Paul Krugman acknowledged that like Obanomics, the New Deal failed to end the Great Depression. World War 11 ended it. n

    “If we discovered that, you know, space aliens were planing to attack and we needed a buildup to counter the space alien threat and we needed a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat and really inflation and budget deficits took place, this slump would be over in eight
    teen months. Then if we discovered, oops there aren’t any aliens, then we’d be better-“

  470. I like the music selection, alaskapi. Here is mine.

    “He used to be somebody’s baby
    Someone used to hold him close, and rock him gently
    He used to be the light in someone’s eyes
    He used to matter, he used to matter
    Someone cared if he lived or died
    Someone held him in their arms when he cried
    Someone loved him…
    That was then, that was so long ago
    That was before they came and took his soul
    Long before he became invisible…”

    Somebody’s Baby

    Pat Benitar

    I especially like Eve of Destruction, and I enjoy Barry MGuire’s work with the New Chisty Minstrals.

    How Far We’ve Come has a similar theme to Eve of Destruction except it describes life of our mass evacuation during the week of June 1. Okies likely felt the same when they left the Dust Bowl.

    Waking up at the start of
    the end of the world, but
    its feeling just like every
    other morning before
    Now I’m wondering
    what my life is gonna
    mean when its gone.

    The cars are moving like a
    half a mile an hour and
    back, try to stare as the
    passengers are wheeling right by

    Say all goodbyes if
    you have someone
    you can say goodbye to
    Its all gone baby its all
    gone, there’s no one on
    the corner and there’s
    no one at home

    And I believe it all is
    coming to an end, oh
    well, I guess we’re
    gonna pretend

    Top 10 NASCAR finishes cousinearl216 video with” How Far We’ve Come” by Matchbox Twenty

  471. The Koch Brothers are trying to tear down public schools! Bussing was the wedge issue they push. Important video

    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/08/koch-brothers-school-segregation-americans-prosperity

  472. So your God is not an idol, but everything else is?

    The first two of the ten commandments address that. God is Spirit, no physical image represents Him, and we aren’t to create any.

    As far as worship, where your treasure is there will your heart be also. That comes from scripture. Whatever you treasure most, you “idolize”. As a believer, as long as God is first and foremost and everything else secondary, you’re good to love and “idolize” as much as you want. The warning stands if any of these “secondary” things try to usurp God’s position. As humans, we tend to lose focus and wander, so we need continual guidance.

  473. In the early days, polytheism ran rampant God declared all others to be false idols to hurt the competition.

    He is a “jealous god.” You give up free will to no one but God. You only worship and adore Him. Its all about God and nothing else. Only He can save you. False idols will forsake you. There is no deity but God and all others are not. Thus, when others reject God, they follow false idols and will surely be lost.

    That’s what I was taught. I’m not there any more, but Poolman’s logic makes sense to me based on my early lessons.

  474. If by worked, you mean sending us into financial destitution, then yes, it worked as intended.

  475. A new shows the stimulus worked!

    http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/08/it-looks-stimulus-worked-after-all

  476. So your God is not an idol, but everything else is?

    I’m not trying to give you a hard time, but I really, really don’t get it. Other gods are “idols,” if like my TV, it’s an idol, if I am smitten by what the Statue of Liberty represents, that’s an idol. It is so easy to just sling words around like “idol,” but what is the point? What does that mean? So it’s OK for you to worship an invisible friend, but not OK for me to get choked up when I read the inscription on the Statue or visit Jefferson’s grave – both of which represent *real* things that are IMPORTANT?

    Can’t speak for anybody else, but I personally don’t *worship* anything. Some things are extremely important, but I would never surrender my free will to *anything* – especially something imaginary, holding MY imaginary friend to be superior to everybody else’s imaginary friend and worthy of worship.

    I guess it is like, say, a foot fetish. If you are not into feet you cannot really understand at all what the deal is. Same with gods. I really, really don’t get how anyone can say, “my god is the real deal and all the other ones are not.” It would seem to me that, once you understand why YOU reject all the other gods, you will understand why others reject YOURS.

  477. So you think the Statue of Liberty is an idol?

    By definition, yes. The Statue of Liberty is just one of many American idols. We love our idols, even dedicate TV shows to them. Anything or anyone we set on a pedestal and “worship” or “pay homage to” is an idol. Think national symbols too. Anything that holds a higher position in our life than God is an idol, even if it is a religious icon or symbol.

  478. Losers are forgotten and. . .

  479. ‘…something else that one of the religious loonies Perry pals around with said: The Statue of Liberty is an idol given to America by the French Freemasons. ‘

    “Most of our national symbols/DC landmarks/government buildings are designed by Freemasons with Masonic and/or occultic symbology.”

    So you think the Statue of Liberty is an idol?

  480. Not thinking we ever learn..

  481. Stop coddling the Rich! Good Info

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimesbusiness&seid=auto

  482. Statue of Liberty is an idol given to America by the French Freemasons. Ya just couldn’t make this stuff up.

    Google it. Most of our national symbols/DC landmarks/government buildings are designed by Freemasons with Masonic and/or occultic symbology. Ever wonder what all those designs on the dollar bill were about?

  483. what if the Anonymous’s grew a set of balls and got a name……….other than asshat

  484. What if the

  485. santorum (san-TOR-um) n.
    1. The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter
    that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.

    I googled it.

  486. You go Pfessor. I don’t care it they are gay, straight, or transgendered. If one of them likes cats or dogs, then I have a problem.

    We are visiting a place with cable. The author of a book about the graying of the world said if a couple reaches 63, there is a good chance at least one of them will live to see ninety.

  487. Speaking of homophobic religious nut cases. Some time google “santorum” – as in “Rick Santorum.” I don’t think *he’s* going to the White House any time soon unless he changes his name. I would recommend “Skippy Sashay.”

    No – wait a minute. Mr. Bachmann already is using that name. Darn.

    As my bud Rush Limbaugh is fond of saying – “actions have consequences.” Yep – ask Mr. Santorum about that…LOL

  488. Right on, people. All you have to do is simply expose the Bachmanns, Perrys and Palins for who they are. No need to opine or attack. As Brandeis said, “bright sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants.” Just let them be themselves, but be sure *everybody* sees it. The disgust – and humor – will do the work and we will all be shut of those of this ilk. And the great thing is that they are so darned entertaining, too!

    Which reminds me – I forgot something else that one of the religious loonies Perry pals around with said: The Statue of Liberty is an idol given to America by the French Freemasons. Ya just couldn’t make this stuff up.

    That wonderful, wubbulous world. Sigh…

  489. Anon: Your interest in my sexuality I find curious.

    Are you one of those, “I hate Gays”, ‘Gays are evil” and then find yourself calling up a call boy to service you?

    Are you a gay in the closet?

    Just wondering. Thanks for asking.

  490. More on Bachmann… President Bachmann – OK. – sure thrills me.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/14/michele-bachmann-stimulus-money-chris-wallace_n_926406.html?1313332005&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

  491. Never would have took you for a gay basher Joe…you seem to spend a lot of time on this subject, might I ask why?

  492. Is Marcus Bachmann Gay? Here are some pictures to check out. Read the comments after the pictures. It really should not matter but Michelle is such a homophobe and Marcus is Mr. “Pray the Gay Away,” so it is worth considering.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/marcus-bachmann-tries-to-put-down.html

  493. Verizon paid no taxes the last two years actually.

    http://usuncut.org/targets/verizon

  494. Verizon got 1 Billion in subsidies from the US Government. Now they are insisting on 1 Billion from its workers and they are shipping jobs overseas.

    http://ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2011/08/verizon_pushes_for_1_billion_i.php

  495. Texas has a few firsts:

    Percent of uninsured children (1st)
    Percent of population uninsured (1st)
    Amount of carbon dioxide emissions (1st)
    Amount of toxic chemicals released into water (1st)
    Amount of hazardous waste generated (1st)
    Number of executions (1st)

  496. They hadn’t heard anything like that since 7th grade or so they tell me.

    Anything that will give a recovering cancer patient a laugh is worth it.

    Excellent Mageen. Glad I could give a recovering patient a laugh. It’s the best medicine. I hadn’t thought of it since about 7th grade either, and still found it funny.

    And it seems about age appropriate for this place of silliness.

  497. I got a better idea for the Teabaggee’s idea of secession. Let the entire South, South Central and heartland U.S. secede, absolutely no crossing the lines, no sharing of resources – including crude oil or water; no immigration or emigration.

    His idea doesn’t take into account the impossibility of logistics. And since Texas was the first to hint of secession, they’ll definitely need to be included in those seceding. We can use Obama’s state popularity ratings to decide which way to swing.

    Come about this October, we’ll see how the Teabaggee’s like to do without fuel, wheat, and in many cases water. Hopefully, you won’t need access to most ports or much freight.

    We can do without movies, Broadway plays, Maine lobster, and Asparagus and we’ll create our own new Wall Street, say centered in Dallas minus the established riff raff. It needs to be cleaned up anyway from the nasty Dim corrupting influence.

    When do can start the experiment? The sooner, the better.

    See if you head Teabaggees can arrange that before the weather turns, will you?

  498. www22.verizon.com/investor/app_​resources/interactive…

    Found it! Read it but do not really understand it. Apparently there is some sort of silent partner involved and certain tax concepts that sound nearly metaphysical.

    Heywood, the men in my house got real laugh out of jablome. They hadn’t heard anything like that since 7th grade or so they tell me.

    Anything that will give a recovering cancer patient a laugh is worth it.

  499. I understand someone is feeding you info to repost and drive web traffic Joe so I will make this simple for you if your employer hasn’t the time. I want to see your proof of the following claims you have made.

    1) Show me the tax code where Verizon gets a tax break for the act of sending jobs from the US to other countries.

    2) Show me Verizon’s tax of $0
    3) having show 2, show that Verizon then received a payment of $1 billion+ thus actually making a profit on their federal tax.

    I only ask because I wouldn’t want people to think you spread unfounded propaganda and would stoop so low as to disseminate false information,

  500. I am sure you are not talking out the side of your ass Joe, so please show us a link where you got this information.

  501. Republicans turned down 10 program cuts to 1 tax increase concept. $10.00 in program cuts to $1.00 in increased taxes. HELL NO SAY THE REPUBLICANS!!

    WHY? BILLIONAIRES NEED A TAX DEDUCTION FOR THEIR PRIVATE JETS!!! Sitting First Class in a commercial jet is just not good enough! You and I should pay for their luxuries.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bachmann-no-one-would-take-10-1-deal-durin

  502. They get a tax break for sending US JOBS OVERSEAS!!! You approve of course.

    Verizon got a billion + back and they paid no Federal Taxes. TRUE!

  503. Actually no it is not accurate, and I am going to have to call you a liar on this one. If you understood business and the deduction process you would know why.

  504. Verizon taxes: I have faith in you for finding the information. It is accurate.

    TEA BAGGER HEAVEN!! A fellow proposed that Tea Baggers be given a few states to play with their concept of Government. They would pay no Federal Taxes but they would get no Federal Benefits either. Interesting Concept. Tea Baggers would either put up or shut up. If they had flooding – no federal help (No social security, medicare or medicaid either.)
    Interesting Idea!

    http://off-centerviews.blogspot.com/2011/08/note-to-tea-party-put-up-or-shut-up-and.html

  505. So do you have any proof that Verizon paid no taxes AND got a billion+ $?

  506. QUITE GOOD!

    Verizon is sending jobs overseas. They got a billion+ back from the IRS even though they paid no Federal Taxes. A Republican Rep in asked to justify her free trade stand. She has the Koch brothers talking points down pat. The audience not too happy with her answers but who cares what those who need jobs think/

    http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-quinnell/rep-nan-hayworth-r-ny-dodges-ques

  507. even I’ll say it….

    Haywood=asshat

  508. Woodenhead? Really?

    Usually when a fine line or in your case, thin, is mentioned..it is between something good and something bad. So of the choices, sociopath and psycho, which is the good and which way is that line pushing?

  509. Hey Woodenhead:
    There’s a thin line between a sociopath and a psycho.
    You seem to be pushing the line.

  510. I was assuming the troll commentary was pointed toward juanajoe and his endless links to drive web traffic.

  511. The REAL definition of a troll is someone who posts for no reason except to stir the fires. Sometimes a bully, most times just someone with low self-esteem who hasn’t accomplished much and can’t stand it that there are people who have.

    If the REAL definition of a troll is someone who purposely kicks the termite’s nest of wooden headed lies eating at the very structure of our civilization, by correcting the record and stating the facts which stir the fire, taking a few liberties by bullying bullies with their own game, if even playing bully with incredibly low self-esteem (snicker) and absolutely no sense of accomplishment (poor poor, pitiful me)….

    If that’s the definition of a REAL troll – stirring the lying fires by tossing a grenade on the termite nest or shooting a cannonball at the gnats, low esteem or otherwise, then I for one happily, proudly and for eternally wear that badge of TROLL at Margaret & Helen’s.

    It’s worth the charges from dubious sources to correct the record.

    If truth stirs the fire, and troll and truth go together in same sentence, so be it.

    Haywood = TROLL and proud of it.

  512. Its 78 in Omaha where we are now. It rained 1.50 inches at home this week.

    Much of our corn and beans are under six feet of water. The rest looks beautiful.

    The string beans are yielding well and our vines are growing little watermelons. We are buying sweet corn because ours is flooded. It is a good year for garden crops here.

  513. I read the article you linked to. Dr. Elwynn Taylor ISU extension climatologist said human influence may account for about 6 to 10% per year. It may not sound like much, but like compound interest, it adds up over time.

    The world has not warmed enough to change long-term cycles, and they continue to operate. Taylor says we are roughly where we were in the 1920’s and headed toward another thirties type dust bowl. That will include some the warmest averages in decades and bitter cold.Thus, our weather will be more extreme over the next decade.

    A NASA study shows the earth is losing more ground heat than predicted by rising amounts of co2 in the atmosphere. That implies our climate change is driven more by natural than human forces.

    Some of the pollution India and China are producing may off -set other gasses and cause a cooling effect . More soot is dropping on Arctic ice. It enhances melting.

    A feed back system might speed warming if too much permifrost melts. It would release methane gas which holds heat more efficiently that co2. Large resevours of methane gas are stored under pressure beneath our oceans. If it was to gasify and boil to the surface runnaway warming would result. It may have happened once in our past.

    The earth’s rate of temperature increase has stabilized over the last decade. The weak solar storm cycle may account for the pause. Now, it is becoming more active.

    Geological studies show we have been living in an atypical moderate period though most of our stay in America. 5,000 years ago, the plains were so dry the buffalo and Indians had to leave. A thousand years ago, a two hundred year drought turned the Nebraska Sand Hills into migrating sand dunes. It has happened many times in the past.

    Studies in the Oklahoma panhandle show that for the past ten thousand years, moisture to support human life as we know it has fallen about 25% of the time. Scientists predict the heartland wet spell will last for another hundred years. We are also overdue for an extreme thirties type drought which may have begun in the South this year.

    In my opinion Al Gore type solutions will do more to redistribute the world’s wealth than stop climate change. We need to do what we can with incentives to develop sustainable renewable energy sources and to conserve, but basically we’re screwed. We will have to adapt or die.

    I think the sun influences our weather. Another nasty surprise may be what astronomers call the Carrington Effect. In 1859, a British man named Carrington watched one of the biggest solar flares in history. The super flair scourched telegraph wires and even made telegraphs turned off send signals. Electricity from telegraph wires started fires.

    Astronomers think such a storm could repeat during the next few years. If it aimed toward Earth, we would have more to worry about than hotter summers.

  514. lets talk climate change…..68* by Saginaw Bay…..corn’s 8 ft tall…ragweed is 6 ft…..cucumbers have the wilt….3/4″ rain in the last week….

  515. We had to fight in Afghanistan because it was the center of attack, though one could make a case for Saudi Arabia and Iran too.

    I didn’t support invading Iraq when we did, because we were already fighting in Afghanstan and another war took away resources needed there. Democrats and much of the world intelligence community believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It doesn’t matter if Bush lied or not. It is now Obama’s war.

    LBJ lied to enhance our involvement in Vietnam, but it became Nixon’s responsibility to fight and end the war.

    The wars, prescription drugs policy, and even our over zealous throwing money at Katrina victims took our money faster than taxes could replenish it.. Pick a program. It probably added to the deficit. Obama inherited a mess, but he has not been able to fix it.He has made the deficit grow even faster than it did. I always thought Keynesian economics could work, but now, I don’t know. After two years, Obama has made it his near recession.

    I will share my opinion about climate change later. As you see, we do agree on some things.

  516. Who lied us into a war? SEEMS GW did a good job of starting a war on made up reasons and then ineptly kept it going and going and going with no thought of winning it. (Who killed Bin Laden?) Once a war started – it was set to run forever.

    Does fighting two wars plus giving prescription drugs without negotiating price drain our economy? I think yes, wars and Bush Prescription drugs policy is making a serious deficit. You can also throw in the TAX CREDITS FOR THE WEALTHIEST which goes straight to deficit.

    CAN WE start to TALK about CLIMATE CHANGE yet? Just wondering. There seem to be some weird things happening to our weather world wide. Does man have an impact on our environment?

    http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green_news/382/five-signs-of-climate-change-from-record-hot-2010.html

  517. The economy is also Obama’s responsibility. He said “vote for me, and this will happen.” That happened instead. Like the war, the economy belongs to the president.

  518. They are now Obama’s wars. Bush is gone.

    Its true we are asking our troops to do too much sometimes. Our niece and her husband have been deployed three times. War is Hell.

    I have supported most of Obama’s war policy. He inherited two wars, and one cannot just leave without causing many people to die.

  519. I didn’t know that Bush was still the Commander-in-Chief…..Seems to me that any deployment in the last couple of years falls on the Obama wars……Didn’t he basically say “Vote for me, I want the responsibility”…..guess what…..He’s now responsible…….

  520. A soldier about to be deployed for the ninth time KILLS HIMSELF!
    Can we talk about the unprecedented suicide rate of military personnel because of the two BUSH WARS? It is a sad fact of life.

    Military personnel are committing suicide because of their part in the BUSH WARS!!! The wars are ruining the economy as well as taking the lives of great men. Our society if worse off because of Iraq and the continued involvement in Afghanistan.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/facing-ninth-deployment-army-ranger-k

  521. Dead Fish and Goo in Louisiana!!!!! Should we be concerned? I think YES!

    http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/black-slimy-foamy-water-hundreds-dead-fish-still-mystery-louisiana?CID=examiner_alerts_article

  522. Wow. I need a gin and tonic after reading all these comments. The minority of hate for one man is overwhelming. Its no wonder that things cant get done in congress when a simple blog can generate so much respewed propaganda from questionable intellects. “The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory.” ~Thomas Jefferson

  523. Honeyjorumples, I try not to be insulting. Yes Hayward is insulting, but my point was his numbers which came from the government show what happened. His figures didn’t insult anyone. They are part of the historical record. Read the numbers and disregard the rest.

    You were being sarcastic, but the Bush tax cuts were good as you wrote. History from before 1920 to the present shows the right kind of tax cut encourages economic activity and wealth creation. The New York Times called the extra government money a “surprise windfall.”

    Economic activity enhances revenue, and that is what happened during the Bush administration. Republicans and especially Democrats in Congress spent too much money, but even so we might have worked toward a surplus had the economy not crashed.

    Unsupportable debt, not Bush or Obama, ultimately, crashed the economy,– . Starting after the Savings and Loan crisis, the Clinton administration and others pressured banks to loan more home purchase money to poor people. Many of these loans had no visible means of support. Banks and other financial institutions repackaged the mortgages to sell to others, so they wouldn’t be left holding the bag. Lax regulations let them pollute the world with derivitives and other objects not worth the paper they were printed on.

    The Bush administration and Democratic Congress created much of the deficit, but what took Bush eight years to build, the Obama administration has done in two years. He inherited a mess, and no matter who’s fault it is our deficite tragectory is unsupportable. Obama’s plans have not worked yet. We need a change.

    Bohener did not win 98% of the deal.He was just saying that to keep his troops from rebelling. The numbers are the only things which don’t lie and even they are subject to interpretation. Both sides put us in this mess because they are cowards and assumed the crash would come after they were dead or retired. Thanks to them we all will be paying higher taxes eventually, and jobs will be hard to find for at least the next two years.

    I like your message Pfessor.

  524. Getting into an argument on the internet is like competing in the special olympics…even if you win, you’re still retarded.

    Sometimes I feel like I just entered the twilight zone when I visit M&H

    Peace

  525. The REAL definition of a troll is someone who posts for no reason except to stir the fires. Sometimes a bully, most times just someone with low self-esteem who hasn’t accomplished much and can’t stand it that there are people who have.

    There are folks posting here who most often take the opposite view from this admittedly liberal blog, but do so with grace, dignity and respect. You know who you are. I personally like to read what they have to say in order to hear the other side of things.

    There are others however who fill the definition of troll perfectly. You know who you are too – and I would suspect also know why you behave the way you do. Where I come from, some rough-assed coal miner would slap you until you peed your pants, but of course here you are out of reach.

    I repeat: there is absolutely no way of dealing with a REAL troll except to ignore him. NONE. But be aware that initially he will begin to post like mad, just like the monkey who ceases to get his treat when he presses the bar starts pressing frantically. Same principle. If you respond to a troll you reinforce them and will be saddled forever. The technique used is call a P.I.S.S. – Passive Ignoring Silence Strike. Not easy to do, takes a while; it works.

    I’ve been on the Internet since it was all text – that principle was understood even back then and has never changed. I suggest giving it a shot. Just my $.05.

  526. Hey Woody!

    Looks like you’ve been up for more than four hours.

    Better call your doctor.

  527. Old Hags – that earns respect?

    You need to follow your own rules.

  528. HoneyJorumples
    then you’re bright enough to know that knowing your audience and respecting them is rule 1 of getting them to listen to you

    Do you feel the majority of the blogs Liberal posters follow this rule?

  529. Breaking News: S & P just downgraded Iowa’s IQ

    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/131c5f7f7d47c6b3

    One last time: BUSH CREATED 60+ percent of the current deficit

    http://thatmansscope.blogspot.com/2011/07/the-sunday-ny-times-teresa-tritch-had.html

  530. “Anon, read what Haywood wrote at 6:27PM and learn something.”

    James, if Haywood would present the information in even a semi-respectful tone, perhaps more people here would take it under advisement. But no one is simply going to pay any attention to such a disrespectful post about all the things “libbies” are too stupid to understad and “President Zero.” If you guys are bright enough to actually know what you’re talking about, then you’re bright enough to know that knowing your audience and respecting them is rule 1 of getting them to listen to you. Which tells me you don’t really care if anyone here listens to you. You just want the adrenaline rush of being nasty and evil.

    The Bush tax cuts were a good thing. This bad economy is all Obama’s fault. But, the Bush tax cuts are still in place. Obama has talked about letting them expire, but they haven’t yet. He’s caved to the Republicans all the way on this matter. John Boehner bragged and gloated that he got 98% of everything he wanted, he’s very happy. Yet the resulting mess is all Obama’s fault. To be honest, all the fancy number crunching in the world doesn’t insterest me nearly as much as these few simple facts do.

  531. By the way: The Bush de-regulation of Enron, Banks, and free giving tax breaks tp corporations for sending jobs overseas CRASHED THE ECONOMY. Did I mention banking and mortgages crashed because of Bush de-regulation policies.

    DID BUSH PAY FOR HIS TWO WARS AS THEY WERE FOUGHT? NO!!!
    We owe China now because of those two wars. Remember: They would be done in short order and iraq will pay us back – RIGHT!

    did bush pay for the prescription drugs policy he created? NO We borrowed from China which caused the deficit we are now facing.

    DID BUSH PAY FOR THE TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHIIEST AS THEY WERE PAID TO THE RICH? NO – We owe China now.

    DID THE WEALTHY CREAT JOBS IN THE US WITH THOSE TAX CUTS?
    NO They banked a lot and played the stock market which went up by sending jobs overseas.

    BUSH CRASHED THE ECONOMY!!!! It is pretty simple really.

    Off Budget wars: Obama got into office and put the wars on budget thus immediately showing a larger deficit because he was using real (not made up) numbers. I thank him for being honest. Wish GW had used honest numbers instead of playing the OFF BUDGET GAME, which created low and unsupported numbers.

  532. This guy is being spoon fed information and is just regurgitating it all over the blog. As these are not his thoughts he is obviously unable to articulate any kind of a meaningful response.

  533. Did Bush pay for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars during his years as President or were they paid for by China? Paid for by China and they expect to be paid back!!!! is the answer

    Did the Prescription drug benefit get paid as they were used or was it put on a credit card? It was put on a credit card!!!

    Were the Bush tax cuts paid for or did we borrow money from China to pay for them? China loaned us the money and wants to be paid back!!!!

    Bush created the deficit – plain and simple!!!!

    I like cutting wars to help cut costs myself.

    http://www.necn.com/08/09/11/Rep-Barney-Frank-says-US-should-look-to-/landing_newengland.html?blockID=547024&feedID=4206

  534. Bush’s Off budget trick! Bush would say – Wars and drugs will cost XXXX. It really cost XXXXXXXX but he did not report the real cost, so his numbers looked great. Finally, when the numbers came out at the end of his Presidency – they could be pushed onto the new guy.

    I swear, cold hard facts are like Kryptonite to super uber libs! They’re losing their minds at the utter failure of President Axelrod.

    But wait, there’s still hope. Maybe Zero can calm the seas! That’s what you guys promised. You are the generation we’ve waited for! :twisted:

  535. Others and I have already demonstrated the difference between the Obama and Bush deficits-and the reasons they rose during his administrations. Revenues increased, but Republicans and especially Democrats after they won a majority spent faster than the money came in.

    “Yelling” that they are “the Bush deficits” is simplistic and untrue when we all know Obama and the Democrats have taken spending to a new level.

    My point stands. Obama is a spent force, and his star quality is gone, even if he wins another termr. Palin will follow once she becomes more of a certainty.

  536. Bush’s Off budget trick! Bush would say – Wars and drugs will cost XXXX. It really cost XXXXXXXX but he did not report the real cost, so his numbers looked great. Finally, when the numbers came out at the end of his Presidency – they could be pushed onto the new guy.

    Crashing the economy???? Oh yeah, Not adding and subtracting as well as letting corporations have no regulations will actually crash the economy.

    Bush was the problem and we are paying for his mistakes today with no help from the Republicans. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!! Time for some jobs bills.

  537. Budget deficits – THEY ARE THE BUSH DEFICITS! There is a lot of changing facts. BUSH KEPT WARS – OFF BUDGET, so they did not show up until the new guy took office. Cute trick.

    http://thatmansscope.blogspot.com/2011/07/the-sunday-ny-times-teresa-tritch-had.html

  538. Iowa Results: Check out the picture of Sarah Palin getting attention. (Last Picture)

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/here-are-iowa-straw-poll-results-try-to.html

  539. Anon, read what Haywood wrote at 6:27PM and learn something. I and others have posted the same information.

    At least wait until your two posts are not juxtaposed so closely. When they are nearby, you look bad.

    Our schools need to start teaching economics to grade schoolers.

  540. Bush gave us two wars! Bush gave us prescription drugs which were not paid for. BUSH GAVE US TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHIEST! BUSH CUT REGULATION WHICH ENDED UP CRASHING THE ECONOMY!

    We want wars and Prescription drugs – WE NEED TO PAY FOR THEM!

    IT is time to stop the tax cuts and get some revenue inhancements for corporations. Corporations used to pay taxes = the good old days.

    That was before Corporations became people.
    It is time to do what is right for our country. Lots of news tthere actually.

  541. Here’s another prime example of what upstanding citizens some of those fine public and private union goons employees are – the backbone of Dimocratic politics.

    Verizon Site Mischief Cuts Police Phone Service

    http://www.wtae.com/r/28846881/detail.html#ixzz1UpxXvTnU

    Here’s a cause and effect – a correlation if you will.

    The worse President Zero polls, and the closer it gets to the 2012 Presidential election, the closer urban America begins to look a lot like London burning.

  542. Assertion that the Iowa straw poll doesn’t matter in 3… 2… 1….

    Hey! Two accurate quotes by accident from a lib.

    Correct.

    2008 Republican candidate Mike Huckabee ring any bells? You won’t be running against Bachmann, much as you’d like that. Guaranteed…

  543. RINO’s all Anon – no story there. Including the lying idiot who formulated TARP. That’s who you are going to quote? You’d do better to listen to Government Motors management for investment advice.

    Here’s the facts about revenue enhancements.

    It’s counter intuitive to libs, who are bad at math and will never understand this, but real tax cuts increase incentive for growth, leading to revenue “enhancements”.

    Remember those George Bush tax cuts you goobers keep quoting from the most aptly named Crooks and Liars – that it didn’t work? Not what the historical numbers say. Plus, we had full employment which Zero would give his right nut for at this minute.

    Revenues fell in Bush’s first two years because of a combination of the tech bust and the start of the tax cuts. But then things took off. After taking in $1.782 trillion in tax revenues in 2003, the government collected $1.88 trillion in 2004; $2.153 trillion in 2005; $2.406 trillion in 2006; and $2.567 trillion in 2007, according to figures compiled by the Office of Management and Budget. That’s a 44 percent increase from 2003 to 2007. . . . Get that libs? A 44% increase. “Everybody talks about how much the Bush tax cuts ‘cost,’” says one GOP strategist. “We’re saying, no, they led to a huge increase in revenue.”

    After beginning with a Clinton-era surplus in 2001, the Bush administration ran up deficits of $158 billion in 2002; $378 billion in 2003; and $413 billion in 2004. Then, with revenues pouring in, the deficits began to fall: $318 billion in 2005; $248 billion in 2006; and $161 billion in 2007. That 2007 deficit, with the tax cuts in effect, was one-tenth of today’s $1.6 trillion deficit.

    And libbies, that includes the “expenses” for all of those bad war deficits. Stick those bogus charges up your rectum too.

    Those are the facts about federal revenue and if anybody wants to place about those figures, I’ve got the wallet out.

    Until the bottom dropped out in 2008, which had nothing to do with tax cuts but trillions in toxic assets from Obama’s Fannie and Freddie buddies, and Barney “Lsisp” Frank and Chris ‘three fingers’ Dodd pushing bad loans, plus large mortgage lending campaign contributors to El Flambe Presidente, we were actually trending toward a balanced budget.

    Can any Lib here possibly comprehend what I just wrote? Doubtful…

  544. Bachmann won the straw poll! Obama must be quaking in his boots!

    Assertion that the Iowa straw poll doesn’t matter in 3… 2… 1….

  545. President Michelle Bachman and/or President Ron Paul is the result of polling in Iowa. Let us pray!!!!! Markus – tell your wife what to do next.

    http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/michele-bachmann-wins-ames-iowa-straw-poll

  546. OH MY, OH MY! PROMINENT REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING REVENUES AS WELL AS CUTTING BUDGETS! Is the sky falling? How can this happen!!!!!!!

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/prominent-republicans-are-calling-mix

  547. LMAO at the Backmann photo…thought you’d like this….

  548. Is this Juneau hiding behind Helen’s skirt? Reads like his incredible lack of instinct and wit. But then I always did find Josephine effeminate, so I could have confused him with a croaking nag message. They all sound alike.

    Whether she goes by M-pat, Mary, or something else… she’s still stuck with a 60+ fat, bald, wrinkled old man who thinks badgering women on a blog is a good use of time.

    You got the badgering women on the blog right, as it is an incredible waste of time but really cheap entertainment. Half right, like the anatomical layout of your singular brain hemisphere – younger with a mop of hair and not a gray one in sight.

    Poor lady. I’m overwhelmingly sure she deserves better.

    FIrst astute observation you made since you got here. Much better…

  549. Whether she goes by M-pat, Mary, or something else… she’s still stuck with a 60+ fat, bald, wrinkled old man who thinks badgering women on a blog is a good use of time. Poor lady. I’m overwhelmingly sure she deserves better.

  550. We’re still away from home, and I don’t have much time. PFessor, Sarah Palin is not the first to say Obama hangs with terrorists. She does it for dramatic effect.

    However, her charge rests on facts. Bill Ayres and his wife are much more than someone Obama met at a meeting. They have known and worked with each other for years. Ayres is a good writer and is rumored to have helped Obama write his first book.

    Obviously the Ayres are not now terrorists, but in the beginning Obama’s campaign minimized the connection to escape the “hanging with terrorists” charge.

    The Tea Party people are more libertarian than anything else. The folks I know are not all born again Christians. To charge the movement is primairly concerned with theocracies is wrong.

    I agree about Rick Perry.

    Obama and Palin were the opposite stars of the last convention. They illustrate the power of imagination. Their creators turned them into super human creatures who would usher in a new realty. No one could live up to the hype.

    Obama has fired his round, and he has nothing left .Reality is here. Palin still has a bullet in her chamber. Until it is gone, reporters and others will flock to her because they still don’t know what she is about. If she runs for office, it will be over for her. If she continues on her present path, she will prosper as a niche celebrity as her star slowly fades.

    Right now, imagination is Palin’s friend as it once was Obama’s.

  551. Well, fortunately for both of us garbled, your adoring bunk mates don’t have my wife’s name right either. But I discovered how they got it. Google. Some poor sap and his wife are probably being harassed as we speak by the shrews and the Poolman. I use the first name that comes to mind, in this case a neighborhood man from childhood, and they go searching. Sorry if I find that funny.

    ———-

    Donna, you’re either not terribly honest or you are terribly forgetful.

    And I don’t have any intention of inflicting damage on you. I do wonder why you act like a jerk and I do wish that you’d stop it, but that’s as far as it goes.

    Are you kidding? The first thing you did after I first posted here was going searching for “Tex Taylor.” Have you forgotten that too? Rutherford can vouch for that and we can rehash the first night I was here with a quick search. Then you announced “my history” to the board. You thought that was going to scare me off? Snicker…

    I’m not here to persuade or dissuade you either way Ms. Garbled. You’re much too ingrained in liberal, secular politics to change. This isn’t that hard to figure out. You’re a smarter version of the ineffectual and garden variety useful idiot of the left wing of the Dimocratic party. There’s twenty million of you, including 95% of this board.

    It should be more than obvious to anyone making an honest assessment, that progressive politics has been deemed once again an epic and miserable failure – just like I said it would when you won in 2008. Obama is even more incapable than Jimmy Carter and if the Republicans elect any capable candidate, and I admit that is a big if as I find their choices pretty weak, the vote should not be close. It should be a rout. The vote should be a direct referendum on the most pathetic and sorriest excuse for President in U.S. history. Obama is a disgrace and a joke – the ultimate affirmative action President.

    The only way progressive politics wins is to oppress enough helpless people without their knowledge to buy a vote. It’s destructive by definition, amoral and self defeating. It’s European socialism lite by another name – and look what that got them. The nanny state, and eventually riots when they could no longer afford the freebies. It will happen here too, and when it does, we should utterly smash the mob.

    Throw in O’Bama’s degenerate anarachists and communists for preachers, mentors, and friends, and the dismal results were predictable. And O’Bama is the best you’ve got. Hillary Rotten Clinton? The cattle futures cheat and Saul Alinsky apostle? There’s nothing edifying about progressive politics and once a generation, a new generation has to learn this the hard way: 1976, 1992 and 2008. Every 16 years or so.

    But if you feel these ‘conversations’ you and I have are distasteful and too personal, you might try to set to memory it is always you that first makes them personal by name. You’re not important enough, nor do I find you interesting enough to me to make them directly about you. But I do enjoy being a jerk to a bully.

  552. Actually, you don’t have my name (first or last). You have a deliberately garbled version of the name of an old grade school teacher. I sometimes use that on what really are the relatively rare times that I post on the internet.

    And I don’t have yours, so I could hardly have called you by it. I did use what I understood from posts here is your wife’s name but I don’t have a clue if that’s correct or not. And I don’t have any intention of inflicting damage on you. I do wonder why you act like a jerk and I do wish that you’d stop it, but that’s as far as it goes.

    You aren’t going to upset me. You can keep on trying but it isn’t going to work. As for me being a “party to bald faced lies,” I actually don’t agree with alof of what people say about politics and the economy. I do view the Democratic party as–marginally–better than the alternative.

  553. Rick Perry – Another cowboy from Texas. We have not paid off the debt from the last cowboy from Texas!! Religious leaders run Iran – heck it works so well there, Rick Perry wants to have a Religious Government in the good old USA.

    http://wickershamsconscience.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/rick-perry-another-cowboy-from-texas/

  554. Well Donna Rosansky or whatever your name is, which I don’t care. Unlike you, I’m perfectly happy to keep this anonymous while you desperately google my ID to attempt to inflict as much damage as possible.

    How in the world would you know if I do anything constructive? You need to contact “MariPat” when you’re hunting me down to confirm my useful nature. Poolman has been trying for months.

    <blockquote?There can be weeks that I don’t stop by at all, much less post.

    You mean after you and your sheep tucked tail and ran back to the protected bin when you got your collective butts handed to you, mixed with a little innuendo? Why, history shows you were quite the regular here before a few of us showed up.

    As for what you call “continual boasting” with your customary lack of regard for accuracy, I believe I had indicated early on–in response to a post that touched on legal matters–that I’m an attorney. Other than that, the “boasting” is in your head. I may have responded to a specific inquiry about credentials, but I don’t need to and don’t choose to do more.

    Oh baloney. Please do demonstrate my lack of regard for accuracy. You went on and on right here on this very blog about how you’ve been nominated as one of America’s top 5% of ‘beautiful’ Best Lawyer attorneys. It was retching to read. After of course, you bragged you were going to make a “huge” donation in my name to the DNC. (snicker) with regard to your great riches. Please do it again before the next election. Undoubtedly, you’re the kiss of death.

    I will be more than happy to locate your blather if you have forgotten your most humble nature? It wasn’t some simple “volunteer” as you attest. Peacock – without much of a spread.

    You’re like the bonobos who throw feces from their cages–it says a whole lot about the bonobos and not a thing about the target.

    Actually, I’m the bastard and bully rattling your monkey cage watching you fling spittle and feces over being called on your immense ego. It was you that called me by name on this very thread. And you’ve yet to hit your target. How’s it feel to receive some of your own treatment Ms. Attorney at Law? You were the loudest of the bullies before a few of us showed up and gave you a taste of your own medicine. Now you vacillate between whiny victim and playing Mother Theresa the D.J..

    But you didn’t answer the only really important question ‘Ms. Rasansky’ that I’ve asked you here. If you’re that self-professed intellectual, that all knowing professional, why do you continue to be a party to bald faced lies which are easily dismissed?

    Perhaps it is you that doesn’t understand the word superficial? If we were in an open forum, and off the moderated blog, you and your lesser Chatty Kitchen chums would be discredited in minutes concerning a discussion of facts of politic.

    I give you credit. You’re “least bad” in the pathetic field.

  555. Tex: I’ll respond once and then there’s really no interest in more. If you check–which you obviously have plenty of time on your hands to do–I am rarely here. There can be weeks that I don’t stop by at all, much less post. Unlike yourself, I’m not an internet regular.

    Spouse happens to be on call this weekend and I happen to have a little time to kill. But it’s not a lot and I don’t need to waste it engaging with you.

    As for what you call “continual boasting” with your customary lack of regard for accuracy, I believe I had indicated early on–in response to a post that touched on legal matters–that I’m an attorney. Other than that, the “boasting” is in your head. I may have responded to a specific inquiry about credentials, but I don’t need to and don’t choose to do more.

    So, in fact, there is little free time and I don’t spend much of it on the internet. But even that little bit is squandered by engaging with you. You really are an unfortunate person. I may lose my patience at tmes with people who I perceive as obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious. But I don’t share the “sense of humor” of someone such as yourself who enjoys juvenile puns, insulting strangers on the internet, or saying outrageous things to try to upset others.

    So what that you got into med school? So, you’re intelligent? It just emphasizes how big a waste your life seems to be–a person with a mind who is unwilling to do anything constructive.

    You’re like the bonobos who throw feces from their cages–it says a whole lot about the bonobos and not a thing about the target.

    Pfesser: I happen to be religious but am interested in what you are saying. And I agree with you about Palin.

  556. “Corporations are People” both Romney and Sarah say it is true! Time to have the corporation sending jobs overseas to bend over and say ‘Ah” They might even try to pay taxes – kind of like the old days when we paid for wars as we fought them. (Pre-Bush years.)

    http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/5660/p/salsa/web/tellafriend/public/?tell_a_friend_KEY=8248

  557. pfesser53 I want to say that maybe your perception of the Tea Party is skewed. I have been, with some reluctance, to a few tea party events at behest of a friend, more for company for the ride than anything else. What has evolved in my opinion is that the people who were hard core involved have relaxed a little and are attending a lot less frequently while the more hard Christan element has lingered on. I have no doubt in my mind that as 2012 elections draw near, you will see the tea part of old reemerge. I hold out hope as I believe these people offer up the best chance at a 3rd party entering the political fray and breaking up this good ol boys club of Dems and Rebublicans.

  558. Megyn Kelly is talking all socialist like… weird. Jon Stewart sorted it out for us though. Jon got to the bottom of it for us.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/megyn-kelly-suffering-post-partum-compassio

  559. S & P downgrade, social security, wall street and the truth… A great little bit of information

    http://lemkin.tumblr.com/post/8778804138/cokies-law-vs-social-security

  560. HEY RUBES!

    Here’s your messiah without benefit of his teleprompter. :lol: Next time your asthmatic child has an attack, make sure to get him or her a “breathalyzer” according to Dr. Obama.

    The charlatan is a complete dumb ass off script. Deny this assholes. Case closed chumps.

  561. First his minions said Obama was like Jesus as they preened during his campaign. That didn’t fly. Then on inaugural day, Obama was called the second coming of Honest Abe. But that didn’t work out either.

    Then Obama tried to sell himself a Dimocratic Ronald Reagan and the people laughed at him.

    So who is left to compare? That’s right. Now Obama is the resurrected Martin Luther King Jr.

    And now that King has his own memorial on the Mall I think that we forget when he was alive there was nobody who was more vilified, nobody who was more controversial, nobody who was more despairing at times. There was a decade that followed the great successes of Birmingham and Selma in which he was just struggling, fighting the good fight, and scorned, and many folks angry. But what he understood, what kept him going, was that the arc of moral universe is long but it bends towards justice. But it doesn’t bend on its own. It bends because all of us are putting our hand on the arc and we are bending it in that direction. And it takes time. And it’s hard work. And there are frustrations. ~ Barack Obama, at a small, exclusive New York City fundraiser Thursday night

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/08/13/obama-compares-martin-luther-king/

    Obama is not only pathetic and a national disaster and disgrace. He’s obviously deluded. That makes his debased sycophants certifiable.

  562. My apologies – Snowdrift Snooki is Sarah “Klondike Kardashian” Palin.

    My wife had a very interesting observation on this stuff:

    “You need to realize that the Tea Party people are working as hard as they can to frame this as a Democrat/Republican, Right/Left argument, but that is not the real fight, especially in *their* minds. It is all about religious/secular – about breaching America’s 250 year-old Wall Between Church and State. Which explains why you, who are in most ways the most Republican man I have ever met, detest the current Republican party.”

    Right on. I want my father’s Republican party back.

  563. Pfesser, fist bump!

  564. Ok this one went over my head, who is Snowdrift Snooki

  565. Idle curiosity, but I wonder why there are those who think it is OK for Snowdrift Snooki to equate “attending the same public meeting ” to “palling around with terrorists” while at the same time they are fawning over *another* presidential candidate who invites manifold lunatics to share the public stage with him – one of whom REALLY, in his heart-of-hearts thinks that the Japanese stock market went down because the emperor had sex with a sun goddess; that Oprah was the “harlot of Babylon;” that birds actually fell out of the sky in Arkansas because “Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell” came to the state and that Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans because of an impending gay pride parade? Just who is HE palling around with, hmmm??

    And you want this man in possession of the nuclear codes that could sterilize the surface of the planet; is that right?

    *************

    Only in that wonderful, wubbulous world of organized superstition called religion could such nonsense be – not only tolerated, but vehemently defended – with a straight face.

    I am fired up for a fight on this one. Bring it on.

  566. Michelle Bachman – great picture. She takes care of her man?

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/seriously-michele-bachmann-seriously.html

  567. Keyboard Cowpie is compensating for major shortcomings. His poor wife is so frustrated.

    Not frustrated – grateful, for providing me a purpose to get me out of her hair. Said she’ll call me when I need to help carry the frig to the truck.

    She might even write poor Helen a thank you letter for providing loads of fun – throwing rocks at uneducated, lying schmucks heads without cost. The belly laughs alone reading the ignorance would be worth the price of admission.

  568. lmao Anon 10:14 and :07 is a blog bot.

  569. Keyboard Cowpie is compensating for major shortcomings. His poor wife is so frustrated.

  570. Another story about the GAY CLOSETED REPUBLICAN!! This little story of REPUBLICAN FAMILY VALUES is really taking off!!!!

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/another-closeted-gay-republican-its-g

  571. ANOTHER story about the REPUBLICAN GAY FELLOW who wanted a ‘real good time’ with an 18 year old boy. Remember: He voted against Gays.
    Tell me about Republican Family Values again please!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/todays-feel-good-story-of-day-features.html

  572. Princess Donna,

    You want to know why I really come here? The real reason besides boredom and it annoys the hell out of a bully like you?

    It’s comments like this:

    The stimulus actually worked….

    This humors me. Really. The acts of desperation, mendacity, duplicity, and hypocrisy in action.

    Now, do tell me Donna – for Maripat’s sake? Though I think you a bully and blowhard, you’re obviously a step up from the sense portrayed and demonstrated i.e. above.

    The stimulus worked – Bush shipped all his jobs overseas (we were at full employment for the better part of three years dummies) – Sarah Palin and the New World Order – Obama has been a raving success….yada yada yada.

    You give me one good reason why I shouldn’t call these parasites on their rank propaganda and lying? Give me a legitimate reason. I can blow every one of these pieces of lying fluff out of the water without referencing a link.

    Is that really the way you think debate should be framed? With one bald-faced lie after another, parroted with a bunch of underground talking points from goosestepping jackboots? I would think an educated woman like you might be interested in the truth.

  573. It is a shame that it is so hard to find honest reporting anywhere. The vast majority are so Liberal bias that you cannot trust most of what you read. Those that are not Liberal bias seem to be trying to counter balance so much they have the same effect. Where are the news organizations like the old Daily Planet of the 60’s Superman tv show, where newspapers believed they were there to just “report the news”, not to give opinion on it? Just more proof we are being duped as a nation to pay attention to the dangling left hand holding the shiny object while the right hand screws us over.

  574. Princess Jezebel Banana Nose,

    Mari Pat is thrilled that I’m here. Have you contacted her yet? :smile: :smile: :smile: I think I can get her cell phone number. A couple of extras happys for you.

    The new name was specifically for you Princess. Being your continual boasting is like watching chrome sucked off a trailer hitch, it just seemed fitting to address you, and you didn’t even have the courtesy to answer.

    I’m sure Dr. Hook would be more than happy to volunteer if you asked, that the hardest part of medical school is getting into medical school. I accomplished what I needed to convince myself not for me. Besides, I’ll mooch off oldest daughter when the prescription drugs are necessary.

    But this high powered work you and Prince Charming do? This marriage made in Gehanna? You too seem to have an inordinate amount of time to buzz around blogs yourself Jezebel. Chatty’s, Helen’s, PMS, BitchisUs dot com.

    How is it that you have all this free time on your hands if you’re such the high powered couple with money to burn?

    Here’s what I think – you’re another hag in waiting, while your former arranged marriage Dr. Prince is banging the pretty nurses.

  575. http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/08/it-looks-stimulus-worked-after-all

    The stimulus actually worked….

  576. Donna, how is the air up there on your high horse as you send judgement down on everyone? Just wondering.

    As for calling me Noah or making personal commentary on another poster’s wife, go for it, whatever turns you on princess. I often wonder what people like you get from passing down judgement and insulting people on an internet blog. Signs deficient home life in my opinion, but what do I know. It’s nice to know Donna that someone of your supposed professional status gets into the mud with us ordinary mortals.

    As for SP, waste your net ink on someone who hasn’t been relevant in a good long while. Because I am sure she is at the top of our countries problems, no? What I find deliciously ironic is if it was for these jealous old hags carrying the SP torch, she would have passed into obscurity a long time ago.

    Anon 8:36, what does driving traffic to websites pay these days?

  577. GW Bush created jobs! OVERSEAS!!!!!

    How many jobs were shipped overseas during the GW Bush Presidency?

    http://www.aflcio.org/issues/jobseconomy/jobs/upload/bushrecord_jobsoverseas.pdf

    Since George W. Bush took office in January 2001,
    America’s workers have lost 2.7 million manufac-
    turing jobs and nearly 900,000 professional service
    and information sector jobs. A significant number
    of these lost jobs have gone overseas,

  578. Oh–and Tex: the new nom de blog? Very mature of you. Right along the lines of Hedda Lettuce in terms of wit. Maripat must be so proud.

  579. That Gay Republican legislator who voted against Gays, the story seems to be taking off. Lots of people are talking about it. REPUBLICAN FAMILY VALUES – vote one way and do the opposite.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/anti-gay_marriage_state_rep_accused_of_offering_young_male_money_for_sex.php?ref=fpblg

  580. Poor Maripat: Married to someone who can’t manage even a few minutes while she gets dressed without trying to build himself up by juvenile insults to strangers. And who can’t even manage that without resorting to emoticons.

    Actually, I’m rarely here because I do work. And have interests.

    Prince is just fine. After all, he made it through med school. And both of us recognize the ebb and flow of politics and public opinion. Too bad you don’t–but you are a completely superficial thinker.

  581. Jon Stewart on IOWA candidates!!!!! Interesting ending. Will Sarah run?

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/i-know-i-promised-this-yesterday-but-i.html

  582. Sinking popularity: Check out the low numbers on Republican Congressmen. Dems are bad too, but Republicans are lower and lower and lower. Sarah needs to go on Dancing with the stars so she can impress the world with her brilliance.

    Will the Teaparty back Perry? Probably not/ Interesting stuff

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/11/rick-perry-hawk-internationalist/

  583. Obama’s popularity is sinking right now but not as fast or as far as Sarah.

    Maybe. But Sarah isn’t our messiah. The One. Honest Obe. Yes We Can! :wink:

    It must suck to be you about this minute. Your politics and/or your religion lay wasted in epic failure.

    How about another massive stimulus!!! :roll: Send in the clown Paul Krugman!

  584. Here Princess, I need to ransack the “myth” of Anonymous Juneau up there about Obama “creating more jobs than Bush.” He’s at least a year late being busted. You know you’re ignorant when you’re parroting lies busted more than a year ago.

    I know libs are horrid at basic skill like simple math, but what is it you loons from Left don’t understand about employment rate?

    And Donna – for someone of your “incredible” intellect, you sure are keeping company with the worst liars on earth. I’m beginning to suspect you’re in the right place.

  585. Happy, happy birthday to your husband, Mageen! And congratulations to you both.

    Obama’s popularity is sinking right now but not as fast or as far as Sarah. Apparently fat, old, ugly women don’t like her – and neither do thin ones, pretty ones, handsome men, smart people, rich people, poor people, and just about everyone EXCEPT the people who think she’s pretty.

  586. OH Princess, you’re breaking my heart. My wife is getting pretty while I mock some Medusa looking, banana nosed blowhard like you. Creates an appetite before we go to breakfast…

    For someone critical of jumping and disrupting blogs, I’ve noticed you peruse around a bunch. I thought you had the Dear Abby marriage made in heaven with Prince Charming? Where’s Prince? :grin:

    Nobody gives a crap what you think or say.

    Apparently, you do. You never miss a lame retort to my reply. If I’m boring, skip over sweetie. How much you going to donate this year, you being a rich, high powered, major player?

    Of all the bohunks on this board, you’re the one most obviously full of crap.

  587. Tex: I’m sorry that your wife chooses to stay away from you as much as she can manage. It’s understandable but I know it leaves you with nothing to do and an extreme level of boredom. But there is a direct correlation between the level to which you are bored and the extent to which you are boring. Nobody gives a crap what you think or say.

  588. For those who’d like an actual discussion of Palin, apart from her not particularly remarkable appearance, I find the whole Dominionist tie frightening.

    And just the person dumb enough to buy the horseshit hook, line and sinker Princess.

    Your boy Obama is sinking like a stone. Time to make a ginormous donation to the DNC Princess – it served you so well last time.

  589. Donna, OMG, vacuuming the keyboard actually worked! As for all those “guys” who credit only the out of shape older women with disliking SP so much, what would they do if they realized that a way younger crowd has no use for her? Reason: they think she’s at least 100 years old. And yes, foxes do vote. Foxes of all political persuasions. As for all those attributes blue haired women are allegedly blessed with, a good many of these developments hit guys of the same age and even younger. Moral: it ain’t so much the looks, fellas. And yes, that Dominionist angle which has been around for way tooooo long certainly does bother me. Its the same kind of thinking the royalists of Louis XVI’s time only it went like this: the creme de la creme (them) were the only ones allowed at the banqueting table of all the good things in life cuz they were born to it and thats the way God wanted it. The rest of the unwashed could simply stay sufficiently away from the end of the table and watch as they starved while God’s elect enjoyed themselves.

  590. I also love the idea that anyone is envious of the Palins. Let’s see…a woman who, with Spanx, padded bras, and lots of makeup and wigs, can look alright but who, without all the phoniness is a scrawny, flat chested, cottage cheese-thighed, thin haired, screechy nothing.

    LOL! If it were that easy, an old, hideous nag like you would be waiting at the department store door at 4:00 AM to purchase Spanx, padded bra, makeup and wigs.

    Face it Grandma – your days are over, and they weren’t too bright to begin with.

  591. oh–Irish Noah: Perhaps it is time for you to have a wee bit o’ fun.

  592. Is there anyone here who doesn’t recognize the return of the odious “Noah” under the name “Anonymous?”

    Let’s see: dogged insistence that he is right and everyone else is wrong, frantic attempts at attention by posting offensive statements, the derogatory use of terms like “cupcake” and “twinkle toes” (substitutes for the former “kiddo”). Almost certainly, we will next get the wildly inflated fantasy life–perhaps now not the successful business owner, devoted husband, new father, jack of all trades–but something equally implausible from someone who can’t spell or punctuate.

    And, of course, Tex/Wayne/Southern Living has also returned. It takes a particularly limited person to spend all day, every day trying to disrupt blogs. It takes a particularly juvenile sense of humor to think it’s entertaining to try to disrupt and upset people. Two peas in the same pathetic pod.

    For those who’d like an actual discussion of Palin, apart from her not particularly remarkable appearance, I find the whole Dominionist tie frightening. And I find the fact that some appreciable segment of the population still finds something of interest or value in her clearly false persona to be equally frightening. Anyone care to opine about the appeal? I’d be interested in your thoughts. I have no interest in two buffoons repeating their tiresome and wholly false claims that disagreement with or disapproval of her must be rooted in the critic’s looks.

    Pfesser: scary–I find myself nodding to your posts more and more.

    As for my musical pick of the morning–Allmans doing Jessica.

  593. alaskapi, the “secesh” I was referring to was the guy with the bleep eating smile from texas. pardon the offensive language. bit cranky today cuz my keyboard has a problem. caps refuse to work. considering using vacuum cleaner attachments on it. otherwise there is a chance this will turn into a truly great day. we are supposed to get rain. need five plus inches of the stuff just to get up to where we should have been as of memorial day. no matter the weather plan to take husband to lunch to celebrate another birthday and the end of chemo. thanks for all the positive cosmic energy from the well wishers on this site. you all deserve not just a piece of pie but an entire pie of your favorite flavor. god bless.

  594. SP is now dead meat as far as having influence. Take a look at the Sea of Pee site; even her closest followers are beginning to wonder if their money is being used to fund a coast-to-coast vacation on an expensive bus that THEY bought with the grocery money.

    And of course, the answer is yes.

    Now Sarah has her money, doesn’t have to work or put up with Todd’s chronically stiff and undiscriminating tallywhacker (He’s still living in Alaska) or cold weather, so she won’t bother anybody much. Now it’s time to turn the sights on the Dominionist from Texas.

    Although I have defended the TP in the past, as I watch them now, it is apparent that they have almost entirely been co-opted for use by the Religious Right. A friend went to a rally a while back; he reported that there was nobody in sight but the fetus people, the racists and the put-God-into-our-government Dominionists.

    Unfortunately for them the Internet is a very easy way to expose their shenanigans to bright sunlight – and it takes practically NO money to do so – only tens of thousands of people just like me who have the time and the inclination. My French is a little rusty, but as we used to say, “”Laissez les bons temps rouler, (Monsieur Perry).”” We who believe in the separation of church and state are ready to play.

  595. Abortion: The Mitt Romney Flip Flop. He was before it before he went against it. He knew the realities of back street abortions in the olden days.

    http://crooksandliars.com/tina-dupuy/tyt-now-abortion-mitt-romney-no-longer-

  596. Put on the glasses cupcake. I said all you bitter old hags on the rag are threatened by her good looks. She has it going on, you all got grabbed by the ankles and smacked face first into the ugly tree. That being said would explain why you all have continued to harp on her for so long, even though she hasn’t held public office in how long? Obsess much? This has nothing to do with politics, its a cat fight pure and simple.

    Juanojoe, aka anon, we get it already, stories on gays is a hot topic for you. I suggest maybe you take your special points of interests elsewhere. Post after post seems like you are trolling for a date twinkle toes.

  597. Not one woman here said, Sarah Palin is ugly, not physically ugly anyway, so can it. The woman is stupid and her need for attention is pathetic. Stay tuned, because she’ll create some kind of ruckus in Iowa this weekend. Aside from feeling truly sorry for her children’s embarrassment, I plan to enjoy whatever she has planned immensely, tis the silly season after all.

  598. Where is all the money going?

    The money of individuals, businesses, cities, states and entire nations are disappearing into the abyss …

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/08/worlds-money-is-draining-away-wheres-it.html

  599. So we have a 64 year old ANTI GAY REPUBLICAN legislator who told a 18 year old boy he would give him 160.00 for a real good time. The boy was bribed with an iPad, blackberry (with text messages to prove it) and some money to keep the boy quiet after the boy wanted nothing to do with it.

    The REPUBLICAN ANTI GAY LEGISLATOR is not denying it. His lawyer says his family needs some privacy. Guilty?. I think this one is actually true. Another Republican gay Fellow who is afraid to get out of the closet. He does vote against gays so he has family values!

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/12/anti-gay-indiana-state-rep-solicited-18-year-old-boy-on-craigslist/

  600. Who has the wealth… Just how inequitable is it when comparing the haves and have nots? Bad and getting worse actually. Look at the projected numbers for 2020

    http://www.alternet.org/story/151999/meet_the_global_financial_elites_controlling_%2446_trillion_in_wealth?page=entire

  601. agree to disagree Poolman. As for JuanaJow..i like Sir Linksalot best. I bet even money he makes his living driving web traffic.

    As far as the Palins go. Its just a bunch of women on the rag having a cat fight. She looks good, they don’t, so the go on this endless, pointless offensive commentary about every petty little thing. Its tiresome, but whatever entertains your pretty little minds I suppose.

  602. Anonymous @ 6:56 PM,

    FB can be as credible as any source. Social media has proven influential in educating and informing as well as denigrating and maligning the people and events it logs. The MSM is not doing any real truth digging these days. Their news is censored, most often with a scripted slant.

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80428106/

  603. I also love the idea that anyone is envious of the Palins. Let’s see…a woman who, with Spanx, padded bras, and lots of makeup and wigs, can look alright but who, without all the phoniness is a scrawny, flat chested, cottage cheese-thighed, thin haired, screechy nothing. Her uneducated, inarticulate, vapid looking husband. Children who are not particularly bright, accomplished, or attractive and whose highest aspiration seems to be “reality” T.V. Yeah–people are just pea green with envy.

    .

  604. Job creation: Bush vs Obama

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/01/07/137866/obama-more-jobs-bush/

  605. Anon: Here is a post which is just for you!

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/like-herpes-infection-that-is-never.html

    You may call me anything you wish. May I suggest Sir Anon.

  606. What is amazing is that in so many cases where Republicans are trolling for boys/men and get caught – it turns out to be true.

  607. Juanajoe, aka Anon, facebook is not known as a credible news source, fyi.

  608. Another Republican gets caught trying to set up a meeting with another fellow. Republican Family values?

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/republican-bigotry-hate-fear-lies-and-distortion/since-nobody-wants-to-report-this-story-on-tv-about-phillip-hinkles-r-indiana-ga/268766749805269

  609. Average Teen Unemployment Rate in D.C. is 50.1%, Analysis Shows

    I pity the young people.

    Venture Capitalists Back Away from Clean Energy

    I pity the investors.

    11th Circuit Rules Individual Mandate in ObamaCare Unconstitutional

    I celebrate with the American people.

    According to Gallup, “Americans’ economic confidence plunged to -53 in the week ending Aug. 7, a level not seen since the recession days of March 2009.”

    I guess Obama is not very good as President of the United States.

    I love your blog delurkergirl! :mrgreen: Gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip pssst….gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip.

  610. I pity you, Tex.

  611. Did you old women know that consumer confidence is the lowest it has been Jimmy Carter was president? That was a very bad time.

    I guess Obama is not very good as President of the United States.

  612. No One’s Puppet.

    I has been argued, that a visible police presence prevents a lot of mischief, I favor that opinion, therefore I think many of our communities are being shortsighted when they decrease their police force.

    I don’t understand your writing.

    I has been argued, that a visible gut sponge presence prevents a lot of erections. I favor that opinion, therefore I think many of our penises are being shortsighted when you increase the cottage cheese belly.

    I has argued you don’t understand commas either No One’s Puppet.

  613. Not that we didn’t already know, but now its official. Appeals Court Rules Portion of Obama Health Care Bill Unconstitutional

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals-court-rules-obama-health-care-bill-unconstitutional/story?id=14292970

  614. I have had the exact same thoughts Haywood. It has to be a jealousy thing, has to be. I think it would be good for Palin to get elected. After all Obama got in because of his look, Palin should get in because she is hot.

  615. Don’t be so hard on yourself Haywood.

  616. The women here are envious of the Palins…good looking husband, rock hard, 40 something head turner, supple breasts, great swing and legs, athletic, pretty smile.

    Wrinkles, liver spots, blue thinning hair, saggy boobs, cream cheese gut, pudgy sponged fat butt cheeks, varicose veins, rotten toe nails, yellow beaver teeth or dentures. No hope of ever finding a man of worth, always smelling of moth balls.

    No beauty here. You can see the contrast.

  617. Ha Ha people!

    We have had computer trouble, but I think I fixed it.

    Sarah Palin reminds me of my wife without my wife’s rough edges. You think Sarah is outspoken and can handle herself in the wild? Let me tell you… I would wear the same ear plugs which have helped me survive with my wife since our teen years.

    If I could, I would tell Sarah about the flood, but it wouldn’t do much good except make me feel better.

    I do think she has “it” like my wife and a girl in my high school class. Dee Dee was fashion model cute and all of we boys had crushes on her. Five years ago, I waited in the car for my wife, and a little old lady leaned into the car window and said “hi Jim!” We talked for about twenty minutes and I never had a clue about who she was.

    My wife came out and said she had seen Mrs. V, who was Dee Dee’s mother.I felt really silly, as I made the connection. Time does a number on us all, even Sarah Palin.

    NOP, I lived in England for two years and have kept in touch. I think your observation is correct. Many of the riot victims made the same complaint, and so did some in Parliament.

    Another odd thing was that vigilantism to protect property is discouraged. Some neighbors did defend themselves though police criticized them. East Indians and Patistanis were especially organized to protect themselves. A group of Sikes protected their temple with cricket bats. Baseball bats are popular sellers.

    I never liked the British survelance cameras, but they captured many rioters on tape, and authorities are arresting them. Some are not poor blacks or whites. A few are children of rich people.

    Ragi, as poorly as some of our under class is treated, they are integrated into our society to a greater degree than foreigners are in much of Europe. I believe that is part of the problem over there. They feel little loyalty to their home countries.

    Political correctness has led governments to ignore the problem. The British plan to ask the United States for suggestions on how to surpress gang warfare.

    I had a minor fright. My wife just said she was leaning toward Michele Bachman (NOOOOO NOOOO!!) until she heard Michele say women should submit to their husbands. I felt as though we had dodged a bullet. I need to pay more attention to her sometimes.

    We are about ready to leave for a few days.

  618. Mageen- whatzername is not a secessionist though her husband had ties with our homegrown secessionist movement, AIP, and she had no problem addressing them publically as a speaker.
    She is a rather peculiar blend of states rights/anti- fed hype with more than a dash of dominionism thrown in along with a teaspoon of “commonsense” nonsense to flavor it all. Personally, I’d almost rather have nasty old Joe Vogler’s ghost in the WH. At least his stance was clear, wrong but clear.

  619. o fer hevvins sake! No sececionist should ever get the white house! in order to be secretary of state you definitely need to be made of something other than plastic. grew up in michigan where mitt’s daddy was governor. got to see and hear that family a lot. remember when his daddy yanked american motors co. out of mich. and sent it to wisconsin claiming the economy was better there. lots and lots and lots of unemployed autoworkers in mich. as a result and the workforce in wisc. was smaller. this moved failed big time. mitt is just like his daddy when it comes to job creation. as for karibou kardashian as vice president cuz she is pretty, get your glasses cleaned. compare present photos to the ones taken when the old sailor picked her as his running mate. she is becoming that watchword no beauty queen wants to hear — “handsome” middle age woman. and the family she would bring with her is still another piece of work! if you thought lbj and his brother were bad plus clinton and his brother, those pallin’s just don’t quit with the soap opera stuff. with so many gee oh pee-ers in this mix this should turn into one bleep of a shark feeding frenzy.

  620. Bachman is a joke according to Joe S. I agree.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/scarborough-michele-bachmann-joke

  621. I spent a week in London this Spring, and while that hardly makes me an expert on London, but I do have one observation. I was aware of police presence, only once while I was there, when a police vehicle in traffic right next to where I was on the pavement suddenly blew its siren and turned on their lights. And I arrived there the day after they had a protest. Not saying, they were not out patrolling, but I sure didn’t see them. Naturally I am not talking about their national treasures, castles, etc.
    Paris had a totally different approach, armed militia, at least three, were at every subway stop and national monument. Very prominent. I has been argued, that a visible police presence prevents a lot of mischief, I favor that opinion, therefore I think many of our communities are being shortsighted when they decrease their police force.

  622. James, we all know, you want a visit from S P because she is cute, but don’t forget to wear some earplugs, she has a voice like fingernails on a chalkboard. While you have the press in Iowa, try to interest them in your flooded fields, but well you know, good luck on that.

  623. Sarah Palin for President, Perry for VP and Romney for Secretary of State……Not fhe combination I’d vote for in the primaries….Against Obama,Biden,and Hillery……let me toss a coin…..

  624. Raji – LOL! :D

  625. With any luck we will get Sarah Palin for President, Perry for VP and Romney for Secretary of State.

  626. Interesting segment on NPR regarding Michele Bachman. Oral Roberts U teaches biblical law which is where Bachman studied law. She was an assistant researcher for a professor at ORU that teaches the concept that if American law is in conflict with biblical law, then the law must be changed to be in accordance with biblical law.
    If people like Bachman and Perry get elected to the office of POTUS then yes, Mageen we will be moving toward a religion based society.

    If you have been following the riots in England by mainly youth, has it crossed your mind to wonder why similar riots are not occurring in this country. Maybe our youth are just too obese and lazy to care. It’s all a plot by the food corporations who promote the HFCS theory which leads to fermentation of the brain cells ;-)

  627. James, James, James… sigh.
    SP didn’t /doesn’t kill wolves herself. She supported a controversial predator control method as well as painted fish and game problems incorrectly here… over and over.
    I have friends in Bristol Bay who cannot get the ear of the state as regards predator control v big game hunting (brown bear )v food hunting partly because of the kind of flap SP was part of as gov. It’s very complicated here and she made it more so. Bleah.
    Along with Mr Johnston’s personal remarks about her you can add Mr Kantner’s. He speaks for a lot more of us- then and now.

    http://juneauempire.com/stories/102608/opi_348517751.shtml

    http://www.sethkantner.com/about.php

    how’s about you get a crayfish to pinch her instead?

  628. James – look at this one:

    That may not be her; I’m not sure. May be Photoshopped, but whoever it is ALSO has her finger on the trigger. Whoever that is, is no hunter. Sign of a complete tyro.

  629. James –

    Palin’s near-son in-law, who is a real, unquestioned proficient hunter, says she doesn’t know which end of the tube the round comes out of – that it’s all hype. I tend to believe him. Take a look at this:

    Nobody handles a rifle with their finger on the trigger unless they are complete newbies. Certainly not an experienced hunter. Sounds like a trivial point, but ask anybody who shoots what this picture means. They will tell you, “She doesn’t know what she is doing – nobody does that.”

  630. “…you think she is going there to look at the flood?”:

    I wouldn’t vote for her, but I’d take Sarah Palin for a boat ride on our farm. She’s good at shooting wolves. Lets see how proficient she is at grabbing craw fish from the water.

  631. because Tenisha B. the only opinion you should have is the one I give you.

  632. pfesser, for more fun, and some “cornporn” catch tonight’s Colbert Report.

  633. :-)

  634. Why you people always harping on the black people? You should let black people comment on this blog to.

  635. Who knew the pfesser was a horn dog??

  636. She “is” not “it” truthing on him.

  637. Donna said:
    “good afternoon, all. Rick Perry is in.”

    Let the games begin. I have done the research and I know all I need to know. I will be on his ass like a duck on a June Bug.

    Rachel Maddow is already on his ass. You see, she it *truthing* on him. You can defend yourself when somebody lies on you, but when they truth on you, you are in deep kimchi. Long, but definitely worth it.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/44098787#44098787

    I especially like the part how the Japanese emperor has sex with the sun goddess and drives the Japanese economy into the toilet. Think about that a minute. This guy wants the nuclear codes to end the world and he believes this stuff.

    BTW, I saw the sun goddess today. Her name is Mercede Johnston and she is in the new Playboy, revealing more unflattering material about Snowdrift Snooki. It looks like Klondike Kardashian has another arrow in her ample backside.

  638. Oh lighten up, Sarah and her bus are going to Iowa, you think she is going there to look at the flood?

  639. Well while the old bitties go after SP, I found this to be very interesting.

    http://dvice.com/archives/2011/08/new-drug-could-1.php

  640. think she will do somersaults in a dress that day. That should divert all the media attention from the candidates.

    That would get the attention of any red blooded male. I’ve found it’s ugly white women that are the Sarah Palin’s biggest critics. I think a large part is petty females that are intensely jealous of a much prettier female.

  641. Thanks for proving my point : No One’s Puppet. Take any average Liberal, and watch them have a psychotic episode when SP is mentioned.

  642. Between the Iowa Straw Poll and Rick Perry’s formal announcement, what do you think Sarah Palin will do for attention? I think she will do somersaults in a dress that day. That should divert all the media attention from the candidates.

  643. Has Mitt yet given any hint as to which corporation will be his running mate?

  644. Sounds like there is serious concern about vote tampering in the Wisc Darling and Olson races.

    This is just beginning.

  645. Elections for Republicans simply means they are doing the bidding of large Corporations.

    Contrary to Democrats doing the bidding of living off the dole and those large corporations?

  646. good afternoon, all. Rick Perry is in.

  647. Mitt Romney – THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE! Finally, a Republican is being honest. Elections for Republicans simply means they are doing the bidding of large Corporations. It is finally out there. The words meet the actions-finally.

    http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/mitt-romney-corporations-are-people

  648. First and foremost I am an Independent. However, until we can get a real viable 3rd party in line I am stuck with bad and worse. This Anon from 11:15am who just has to be Juanajoe or however it is spelled, and Mageen and many more are either total nut cases or just feeding into dishonest politics to further their own ends.

    While I take a great many issues with both sides, as far as those on this blog go, the Liberals have it hands down in rhetoric, dishonest, and twisted use of a story or facts. They don’t search for the truth, whatever that might be. They search for proof of “their truth” and use whatever is out there to further their personal cause. While I have a great many issues with Republicans, at least they are consistent in their beliefs. For me anyway, they hold the fewest surprises, while Liberals amaze me regularly with what they they will say and do to stay in power and further their own cause.

    From my point of view, Liberals are Democrats first, and Americans second. Republicans by enlarge are capitalists first, Americans second. Many Independents like myself are Americans first, with Liberal or Conservative tendencies. I think Independents want to see a quality of life increase for everyone, not just those who think as we do, and support the candidates who will push that agenda. However, where we differ from Republicans to some extent, and Democrats to a major extent, in that we will go after anyone who falls off the path, and not think twice to recall them if they stray from their primary objective, to serve the people.

    My advice to both R & D. Republicans, consider that wealth and profit is not the entirety of the American Dream. Sometimes sacrificing the bottom line for a greater good is in the nations and even in your own best interest. Liberals, step up and admit when you are wrong. Argue honestly, and understand the end result should not necessarily be for your side to win at any cost. You do nothing but discredit yourself with the same tired rhetoric trying to paint all Republicans as money grubbing religious zealots. Anyone half paying attention can tell when someone is in search of what is best for everyone, and what is best for them.

    This dishonest banter back and forth only slows the solution part of the process to a debilitating crawl. Do not kid yourself, we are in the 11th hour. Out tab has come due and we cannot kick this debt can down the road anymore without dire consequences. A lot of bad things are coming down the pike and much damage has already been done and is in need of repaired. I think a tax overhaul needs to be on the table for a better representation of who pays what and how much without all these ways to cheat the system. Reductions in benefits have to be part of the conversation. We also have to consider that, as I understand it, for Medicaid and Social Security to stay as they are now, we would have to jump from a 15% average tax rate to 44%. I don’t think anyone would be for this, so we have to consider all our options.

  649. Anonymous, I sure hope we are not moving towards a religion based society. It would, among other things, mean a state supported church with salaried clergy. If anyone wants to see an example of that, check out Greece. One look and you will run as fast as you can towards separation of church and state. Forever!

  650. No, 2011 isn’t 2008. This is mainly a problem of world-wide debt. It will take us a long time to dig ourselves out.

    More jobs are being created, but not fast enough. We are like Danica Patrick when she led the Indianapolis 500. Two cars behind her were moving faster than she. Though she led, she was falling behind.

    NASA warns a huge solar storm may strike the earth in the next few years. It may be like the Carrington event around 1859 when telegraph lines fried and fires started. Massive power blackouts may result, and people will be reduced to reading road maps again. Clerks will have to learn to count change.

    If they are right, 2011 and 2008 will be the good old days.

  651. That is weird PFessor. I like that song, and now its running through my head.

    So is another “enjoy yourself. Its later than you think.”

    uawtradesman, I think like you that societies are giving their youth an exaggerated sense of entitlement. In time, they turn feral and decide to take what is theirs.

  652. Why 2011 isn’t 2008

  653. James – you must be reading my mind. Had a disturbing dream last night about a childhood friend and then driving in to work today I heard Dream On by Aerosmith. Weird. Just scroll by the lyrics if you find them boring, everyone:

    Every time I look in the mirror
    All these lines on my face getting clearer
    The past is gone
    It goes by, like dusk to dawn
    Isn’t that the way
    Everybody’s got their dues in life to pay

    Yeah, I know nobody knows
    where it comes and where it goes
    I know it’s everybody’s sin
    You got to lose to know how to win

    Half my life
    is in books’ written pages
    Lived and learned from fools and
    from sages
    You know it’s true
    All the things come back to you

    Sing with me, sing for the year
    Sing for the laughter, sing for the tears
    Sing with me, if it’s just for today
    Maybe tomorrow, the good lord will take you away

    reprise…

  654. I was thinking of Craig, Valery, Mageen, her husband, and the rest us when I heard this song just now.

    ” Some are like water some are like the heat
    some are the melody and some are the beat
    Sooner or later they will all be gone
    Why don’t they stay young?
    Its so hard to get old without a cause
    I don’t want to perish like a fading wallz
    Youth’s like a diamond in the sun
    And diamonds are forever
    So many adventures couldn’t happen today
    So many songs we forgot to play
    So many dreams waiting out of the blue
    .

    Let us die young or let us live forever
    We don’t have the power but we never say never
    Sitting in the sand pit life is a short trip
    The music’s for the sad men
    Can you imagine when the race is won
    As we turn our faces into the sun
    Praising our leaders, we’re getting in tune
    The music’s played by the mad men

    Forever young
    I want to be forever young
    Do you really want to live forever?
    Forever, forever young.”

    Laura Branigan lived a successful life after years of hard work. It turned tragic after her husband got sick. She sang this song on the Tonight Show, and I think the stress was showing. Johnny Carson mentioned her emotions.

    Her husband died. Laura mourned for years and stopped performing. After she began to sing again, she died at 47. Laura will be forever middle aged..

  655. Is the US moving towards a Religous based government? Rick Perry (R), Sarah Palin (R) and Michelle Bachman (R) sure sound like they want religion to be at the forefront of decision making for government. It reminds me of Iran and how religion plays such an important part of their political decisions.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/rachel-maddow-reveals-truth-behind-new.html

  656. since you got me going….I posted about the riots in the UK and the parallels to here…. “Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters”….I haven’t heard much back…..to all the teachers out there….The most important thing you must do everyday is return to your families at night….if it takes a gun or a baseball bat to do that then so be it……

  657. alsakapi, I agree. It does start at home. Our ancestors risked their lives and fortunes for a new concept of government. They had plenty of foreign help, but in the end, they gave us an invaluable legacy.We are frittering it all away.

    NOP, I don’t know what Obama is. He certainly is not the man progressives thought he was. He is not an Eisenhower moderate. I think he is a hollow man shaped by father who abandoned him and an emotionally distant mother who was rarely around when he needed her.

    I read as a child he learned to become what people wanted him to be to fit in. From the beginning, Obama has been reluctant to stand and lead. His seminal achievement, the health insurance law is not his. He delegated the writing to others more liberal than he. He appointed officials who are far to the left, and they are making regulations which he may or may not agree with, though they are made in his name.

    A number of liberals and independents are beginning to think Obama is a mistake. Clinton and even Carter were able to change course when they realized they had no other choice.

  658. Lynnda…..
    I didn’t know that I would be required to toe the party line….
    If so must I also……call SP everything but white……dis every conservative(even returning servicemen)…..prostate myself in front the the lord(Keith Oberman)……or whatever…..
    I thought I was just the grumpy old uncle that Alaskapi wants to cheek pinch…….I kick the tires and point out that the left does the same things that they say the right does….almost 40 years in a factory might not give me a large vocabulary but it can be colorful……

  659. Blocks and holds….
    Harry Reid is the one that tabled(shitcanned) the house budget bill….When did he switch….

    The way the war is going would McCain have been the better liberal???????

  660. Lynnda…
    I just call’em like I see’em….(course I’m now using reading glasses)

  661. President Obama should call Congress back in to session to deal with blocked nominees! The blocks and holds done by the Republicans is ridiculous. Put them back in session!

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ari-melber-call-senate-back-session-a

  662. UAW, interesting comment you made about comparing conservatives and liberal/progressives; if you see President Obama acting like a liberal or presenting progressive legislation let me know. Obama is a moderate, everything he has proposed is comparable to Eisenhower.

  663. uawtradesman: If you have so little regard or respect for this website why are you even on it? Obviousley your comments have little in common with the majority of the people here and it seems you would be a better fit on a conservative site where your comments would be appreciated.

  664. nor did it reflect anything about party POLitics :-)
    freudian slip there I guess,
    awfully tired of party pills on both sides…

  665. “Most people can’t be bothered. They let a minority vote for their futures. We do get the government we deserve.”

    As one of that minority who always votes I long subscribed to the idea that most-can’t-be-bothered. There is certainly a contingent who fit that description.
    But more and more I hear things like my-vote-won’t-count for x number of reasons.
    It makes me very sad even when I don’t agree with that person’s politics. The crop of folks we end up with in DC comes from that crop of folks who start in our city/county/borough/state offices. Each vote matters very much at those “lower” offices level – the level which arguably has far more effect on the everyday living interactions we have with govt.
    If we want a different crop in DC it starts at home and in our neighborhoods. Keeping an eye on DC is very important but the real prize to keep an eye on is in our backyards.
    We had a real fruitcake for a Dem governor candidate last time. I can’t stand Parnell and didn’t vote for him but neither could/did I vote for the other guy just for the party’s sake.
    The R party machine claimed some big victory totally ignoring the facts surrounding the not-good candidate on the D side.
    It was a victory of the perceived lesser of 2 evils kind of thing and didn’t really reflect anything about difference in party pilitics.

  666. Micheal Barone analyzed the Wisconsin vote and found that Republicans have maintained the voting power they had in the last election.

    Omaha voters attempted to recall Mayor Jim Suttle. Political ads and speeches were everywhere. People flocked to city council meetings. However, most people on both sides stayed home, and Suttle kept his job.

    Most people can’t be bothered. They let a minority vote for their futures. We do get the government we deserve.

  667. Yes, alaskapi, in some respects, we are still in middle school.

  668. Now is the time for all of us to be informed…..

    “When state legislator­s across the nation introduce similar or identical bills designed to boost corporate power and profits, reduce workers rights, limit corporate accountabi­lity for pollution, or restrict voting by minorities­, odds are good that the legislatio­n was not written by a state lawmaker but by corporate lobbyists working through the American Legislativ­e Exchange Council. ALEC is a one-stop shop for corporatio­ns looking to identify friendly state legislator­s and work with them to get special-in­terest legislatio­n introduced­. It’s win-win for corporatio­ns, their lobbyists, and right-wing legislator­s. But the big losers are citizens whose rights and interests are sold off to the highest bidder.”

    ALEC a shadow organizati­on formed in 1973 and who are the corporate sponsors? Check out who the corporate sponsors of ALEC are, it’s a huge list… http://ale­cwatch.org­/index.htm­l

    Corporate America doesn’t want us to know. Close scrutiny reveals that ALEC is little more than a screen for hundreds of big corporatio­ns and trade associatio­n’s to advance their legislativ­e agendas in state capitals from coast to coast.

    The following is a site that shows a list of only some of the laws that ALEC has sponsored

    http://www­.alecexpos­ed.com/wik­i/Addition­al_Bills_D­iscovered

    It’s time to bring this shadow organization into the light. We are at a crossroads in our country today and it behooves us all to learn as much as we can to make educated choices when we vote, to know who the backers and financial supporters of the politicians are that are running for office and what they stand for and what their agenda is once elected. You may agree or disagree but knowledge is the key to understanding and our future.

  669. LMAO….
    sanity and insight…..I’ll go along with wit….(and bull)

  670. Sarah Palin is for abstinence only sex education but he kids keep popping out babies out of wedlock or 3 months into their marriage. How is that abstinence only thing working out for you? Imagine if President Obama’s kids had a similar record.

    http://lynnrockets.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/hey-sarah-hows-that-abstinence-only-thingy-working-out-for-your-kids-updated/

  671. Dearest Helen,

    So good to have you writing again. You were missed. It made my day to see your two recent posts. I wish you much happiness and great memories in your new home. It’s never easy to start a new chapter in ones life but having followed your posts since the beginning we know how strong you are.

    We need your voice of sanity, wit and insight during these hard times and so look forward to your continued posts. Know you are always in our hearts and thoughts.

    Wishing you good health and happiness in the next chapter of your life.
    Lynnda, Mississippi

  672. I agree James.
    And one of the wierdest flip sides to the SP thing is for too many of her supporters to ground THEIR arguments in assertions that women who disagree with SP’s political stances are just jealous of her as an attractive woman.
    We haven’t gotten out of middle school when it comes to having the ladies in the political eye, I guess.

  673. did you just say that Harry Reid stopped the disclosure act from passing…..(where the dems are still in charge)…..shame on the Dems…..or are you saying that the Dems wouldn’t do a little compromising to get the bill passed….

    Republicans criticized the measure, saying Democrats were trying to “rig the system” to their advantage.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/24/nation/la-na-disclose-act-20100924

  674. I agree alaskapi.

    A Democrat, Axelrod (?) said “we will have to kill Mitt Romney” if he is the Republican candidate to face Obama, assuming he runs.

    They are looking for dirt to portray him as weird.

    The same thing is happening to Michele Bachman. Even NOW protested the News Week picture, and they said woman suffer disproportionate personal attacks in campaigns. Besides Sarah Palin, I think Hillary also suffered from personal attacks she would not have had if she were a man.

  675. oops- more coffee needed this morning… just under 36 K voted in Milwaukee county

  676. I belong to a 501 (c) (3). We apply to have sites placed on the National Registry, and our latest project is to get a grant to have a historic building repaired.

  677. anony @9:08-
    I don’t see any good in SP but have long found the nasty gossip about her family unacceptable and counter-productive to dealing with her stances on things.
    She did us very few favors here as governor and made a hash out of a number of important issues. THAT is where the conversation belongs.

  678. James- the real story about Wisconsin is somewhat obscured by the assertion that that voter turnout was high and therefore this is a slapdown or comeuppance in each race.
    Don’t think so.
    The real question is why did most stay home?

    Milwaukee County had 548479 registered voers in 2009.
    Just under 26000 voted this time.
    Ozaukee County had 65781 registered voters in 2009.
    Roughly 12500 voted this time.

    http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=17017&locid=47

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2011/by_county/WI_Page_0809.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

  679. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43635.html

    The super PAC, Alaskans Standing Together, had a huge effect on our last Senate race as did the Tea Party Express.
    I am still spitting fire over AST because of how the Native vote got hijacked.

  680. You are right PFessor, and you too Uawtradesman. I already mentioned irregularities in Obama’s campaign. Imagionary people contributed more than they were allowed. Some Democrats are accusing others of what they do. Assumptions of the future are failing, and members of both parties are lashing out because their records are indefensible. The Tea party is an easy target but someone said attacking the Tea Party is like attacking the person who called the fire department.

    “I’ve seen the future, I can’t afford it
    Tell me the truth. sir someone just bought it
    Say mr. whispers! Here come the click of dice
    Roulette and blackjacks- gonna build us a paradise
    Larger than life and twice as ugly
    If we have to live there, you’ll have to drug me.”

    “How to be a Millionaire” ABC

  681. “501(c)(4)See also: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
    501(c)(4) organizations are generally civic leagues and other corporations operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees with membership limited to a designated company or people in a particular municipality or neighborhood, and with net earnings devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.[28] 501(c)(4) organizations may lobby for legislation, and unlike 501(c)(3) organizations they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as campaigning is not the organization’s primary purpose.[29] The tax exemption for 501(c)(4) organizations applies to most of their operations, but contributions may be subject to gift tax, and income spent on political activities – generally the advocacy of a particular candidate in an election – is taxable.[30]

    Contributions to 501(c)(4) organizations are not deductible as charitable contributions for the U.S. income tax. 501(c)(4) organizations are not required to disclose their donors publicly.[31] This aspect of the law has led to extensive use of the 501(c)(4) provisions for organizations that are actively involved in lobbying, and has become controversial.[32][33] In 2010, a bill (the DISCLOSE Act) was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives that addressed identification of donors to organizations involved in political advocacy,[34] but the bill failed to pass in the Senate.[35]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)

  682. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United

    “Citizens United describes its mission as being dedicated to restoring the United States government to “citizens’ control” and to “assert American values of limited government, freedom of enterprise, strong families, and national sovereignty and security.” To fulfill this mission, Citizens United undertakes various educational projects, including television advertising and feature-length documentaries.[1] “

  683. Pfesser-
    re donations to outfits like Citizens United- http://www.suite101.com/content/what-is-a-501c4-organization-a14959
    They are usually organized as 501 (c) (4)s and do not have to report their donors. Donations are not tax deductible .
    The ones like CU are organized as civic leagues, promoting social welfare of some sort or other , the interpretation of whose social welfare being a sort of squishy line .

  684. “Wealthy Republicans give millions anonymously. We have no clue who thiese people are. Even money from other countries can end up being used for races like Ms Darling. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH NO NAME OR MOTIVE ATTACHED – not right. All because of Citizens United.”

    Whoa there, Hoss. As I understand it, it is not possible to give anonymous donations to Anybody – all donations must have a name attached. Am I misinformed?

    Secondly, as I recall, when the last election-reform package was passed through congress, the Democrats were very happy, because it favored the small contributor and limited contributions from large entities. Unfortunately, the next election showed that most of the Republicans’ donations came from Mom n Pop and were five and ten dollars, while the bigger entities went for the Dems – completely opposite of what everybody had thought. Uh-oh, shot myself in the foot…Google up sometime what the American Trial Lawyers Association contributes to the Democratic party.

    If I am wrong about all that help me out.

    I want to talk about music…LOL

  685. sounds familiar…..

    Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html

  686. Of course the world has shades of gray, but its elemental parts are black and white. You are either alive or dead, pregnant or not. That is black and white. The Democrats and unions would have been fools to waste millions of dollars on a recall which netted them only two seats. They said their goal was to win back the Senate, and they failed. Of course, the Republicans regret losing two seats, but the status quo remains.

    As I wrote, one Republican previously won in a democratic district, and the other was alleged to be having an affair. Both were weak links. Certainly, their defeats are a loss to Republicans, but they still have a majority. Losing that would have been a game changer with national ramifications.

    Democrats have committed unethical voting acts as well as Republicans. Their ally ACORN has been convicted of voter irregularities in Nevada. As I mentioned, the Obama campagn played fast and loose with contributions as did Clinton during his career. Its irrelevant now, but one of the most overt cheaters was Landslide Lyndon Johnson.

    I’m surprised no one mentioned Eric Clapton in our discussions. He is one of the music’s best guitarists, and that song fits our discussion.

    I like the story of the two wolves. In my lifetime, I have fed them both.

  687. Good advice, Anonymous…

  688. To all of those still after the Palin family, to those so blinded by hate they cannot see any good in their opponents.

    An old Cherokee told his grandson, “My son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is Evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies, & ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, & truth.” The boy thought about it, and asked, “Grandfather, which wolf wins?” The old man quietly replied, “The one you feed.”

  689. Not sure if Noah is still here but ‘his’ ‘logic’ still is. Geez.

    Wisconsin was a loss in a black and white world. It wasn’t all the Democrats hoped for. But it’s not a black and white world and it’s a major blow to establishment Republicans who lost their seats in red districts. Others retained their seats by hundreds or a few thousand votes. Not a mandate but a message. Keep ticking off the masses and those margins will gradually get smaller or be wiped out.

    Unethical financing of campaigns and propaganda to get people to vote AFTER election day… isn’t that the stuff Democrats are accused of? We all love music here. How about a little Eric Clapton?

  690. Democrats doubt Barack Obama’s reelection chances

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8692054/Democrats-doubt-Barack-Obamas-reelection-chances.html

  691. Well,Helen. In just a few words you have captured Truth. Stay tuned in and keep us informed.I am voting for you all the time ! come on!

  692. Unions and Democrats lost in Wisconsin. To say otherwise is rationalization. Even if the margin were by one vote, it would have been a loss. One of the Republican losers had won by fluke in a Democratic district. The other was allegedly having an affair.

    If Democrats get the governor recalled by a vote, no amount of Republican spinning will turn it into anything other than what it would be, a major loss.

    Democrats have their own funding problems. Some contributors to Obama’s campaign ;paid over the legal limit. The campaign said they were notified so they could refund some of the money, but that seems not to have happened every time.
    Flopping Aces listed some of the ficticious names of people who appeared to be from foreign countries.

    The campaign disabled the Address Verification Service to prevent anyone from knowing where the donations came from. Doodad, for example, gave $10,780. and John Galt gave money too. As of Cctober 8 2010, $485 million of the $744,million Obama raised was accountable.

    Sarah Palin is a grandmother again, and her enemies won’t let her family rest. Obviously, Bush is to blame. He is the father of one, and Aharnold is also a Palin dad. I know its true, because I read it on a blog.

  693. Sen. McCain is catching crap at town halls!!!! Oh my!! Seems his people are upset with tax breaks for the wealthy and big business – imagine that!

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08/10/292436/frustrated-constituents-jeer-sen-mccain-for-supporting-huge-corporate-tax-breaks/

  694. congratulations Sarah and Todd….

    Her eldest son, Track, and his wife, Britta reportedly welcomed a baby girl named Kyla Grace Palin on Sunday night.

    http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/entertainment/celebrity/report%3A-it%27s-grandbaby-number-2-for-sarah-palin

  695. Even money from other countries can end up being used

    Great, and your proof is what again?

    So if a Republican gives millions as you claim, then if I find a Democrat that gave millions would you say they were buying the vote as well?

  696. Sarah Palin has a new grand baby as of this past weekend. The new parents have been married for 3 months. Sarah has not announced her new grand baby to the world, instead she is talking trash. Sarah is real Presidential material. UAW – The hate I see comes from Sarah Palin, not a small town blogger.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/sarah-palin-still-has-nothing-to-say.html

  697. I feel sorry for Malia Litman….to be filled with that much hate…..

  698. what’s next ….
    Trig having down syndrome is Bush’s fault….

  699. Sarah Palin and her baby, Trig. Time to move on to Sarah since she might throw her hat into the ring in Sept. Question: Who is the birth mother? Interesting information:

    http://malialitman.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/the-only-thing-we-know-for-sure-about-the-birth-mother-of-trig-is-that-sarah-palin-lied/

  700. Wealthy Republicans give millions anonymously. We have no clue who thiese people are. Even money from other countries can end up being used for races like Ms Darling. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH NO NAME OR MOTIVE ATTACHED – not right. All because of Citizens United.

    Democrats give their name and occupation when they, and I, give money. We either have people power or we have nothing. By all rights, all 6 races should have gone Republican. Republicans should have won by a landslide but they didn’t, THANKS TO THE POWER OF PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN.

    This is just the beginning..

  701. So if it is for a Democrat, you are donating to your political party, if you are a Republican you are buying votes?

  702. Ms. Darling, Wisconsin Republican had 8 MILLION DOLLARS pumped into her campaign by the right wing. She lives in a Republican district and only won by 5000 votes.

    The Right Wing Groups, Rove and kochs are buying up elections. The playing field of politics is way off balance and Money is the winner because of Citizens United. The big bucks boys are now in charge but there are some brave individuals willing to do the foot work needed to change things.

    Time for more signature gathering starting in January.

  703. happens on both sides…..

    http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/08/chicago-liberal-donor-sends-200000-to-wisconsin-recall/

    http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-york-vote-fraud-indictments-focus.html

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/extensive-ny-voter-fraud-ring-exposed-20110809-lgf

    http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/27/absentee-voter-fraud-allegationsagain-0

  704. It seems to me that with both sides bidding a nearly equal amount both doing the same thing. There is no difference in that respect.

    So far, the Republican plan is benefiting some of the towns and school districts. The middle class people who will lose are the government workers who the tax payers can’t afford to pay the wages and benefits they have been spending.

  705. The elections were bought and paid for by the wealthiest. The Kochs put in a few million and expect a billion payback. Sadly, the middle class are the ones who pay the price by having lower wages and less benefits. The utility costs will rise also as Koch and friends take over the public works.

    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/08/10/wi-the-kochs-colbert-and-in-politics/

  706. http://www.cagle.com/news/WorstCongress/2.asp

  707. I thought foreign money was a Clinton thing….(Koreans sleeping in White House)……

  708. Liberal Recall Money Matrix of the Maclver Institute has a chart showing how much Democratic supporters spent and sources of out of state aid. The reports are on file with the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board. Public employee unions and other groups. Over fourteen million dollars came from those groups.

    Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post linked to Hot Air wrote that more than $25 million supported both sides and over five million dollars was raised by the candidates.Republicans had a slight edge, but it was pretty even. Unions helped Democrats, while The Club for Growth and Americans for Prosperity gave money to Republicans.

    Cillizza wrote “if these results stand, it is an undeniable defeat for labor and for progressive activists”

    The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel wrote “so it turns out the sky isn’t going to fall… Gov. Scott Walker’s tools for local governments apparently will help at least some of them deal with cuts in state aid imposed by the state budget.” MIlwaukee will get an additional $13 million dollars this year with Walker’s plan.

    If trends continue, time is on the side of the Republicans.

    So what if the Koch brothers support Republican causes. What makes them any different from George Soros who does the same for Democrats?

  709. I am sure you would not make an unwarranted claim about foreign money paying for an election in Wisconsin. Could you show us what you based your comment on?

  710. actually winning 4 out of 6 sounds like a mandate….

  711. Interesting Concept: Compromise definition, a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims

  712. 30+ million is a conservative number actually.

    Proof will be coming. By the way, imagine – 2004 – Ohio: votes were shown to be tampered with. Funny it took so many years to show how it went down. Citizens United – just give millions to front groups and the wealthy actually do not have to say where the money came from.

    When I give money, I have to declare my name, job, where I live, etc. Why do those who give millions not have to do the same????? Citizens United – the Billionaires Friend. The elections in Wisconsin was bought by Billionaires. (Winning 2 of 6 against all odds is actually amazing.)

    On to the next set of recalls in Jan.

  713. interesting….

    Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/25/the-wisconsin-lie-exposed-taxpayers-actually-contribute-nothing-to-public-employee-pensions/

  714. 30+ Million by various business and out of country money bought the election actually.

    Show proof please.

  715. Wisconsin: How many millions were put in by right wing groups? Where did those millions come from? (Actually, we may never know because of Citizens United.) 30+ Million by various business and out of country money bought the election actually.

    Historically: Beating an incumbent is very difficult, if not impossible. However, the fight will continue. I will be sending money to support the recall efforts starting in January.

    Unions make better working conditions and wages for all people. As a nation, we need to buy USA products – just saying.

  716. Less than 20% of the US population believe Congress is working in their best interest!!! People believe they are crooks.

    http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/new-poll-most-congressman-are-crooks-pre-revolution-sign?CID=examiner_alerts_article

  717. What does $10 million to $15 million get you? If you’re Big Labor pouring money into recall elections in Wisconsin, it gets you a cumulative 47 percent of the vote and continued minority status in the state Senate.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/08/10/a-bad-night-for-big-labor-in-wisconsin-recall-elections/

  718. The Economy will not improve until the crooks are thrown out of office! Interesting points in this video.

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/us/economy-wont-recoveruntil-we-get-the-criminals-out-of-government.html

    Wisconsin: It is just the beginning. New recalls will be in the works 2012.
    It took the Koch’s 30+ years to buy up the political clout needed to alter the political landscape, it will take time and effort to counter their money.

  719. On a lighter note: OT

    Mrs. Giuliani comes to visit her son, Anthony, for dinner. He lives with a female roommate, Maria. During the course of the meal, his mother couldn’t help but notice how pretty Anthony’s roommate is. Over the course of the evening, while watching the two interact, she started to wonder if there was more between Anthony and his roommate than met the eye.

    Reading his mom’s thoughts, Anthony volunteered, “I know what you must be thinking, but I assure you, Maria and I are just roommates.”

    About a week later, Maria came to Anthony saying, “Ever since your mother came to dinner, I’ve been unable to find the silver sugar bowl. You don’t suppose she took it, do you?”

    “Well, I doubt it, but I’ll email her, just to be sure.” So he sat down and wrote an email:

    Dear mama,

    I’m not saying that you “did” take the sugar bowl from my house; I’m not saying that you “did not” take it. But the fact remains that it has been missing ever since you were here for dinner.

    Love, Anthony

    Several days later, Anthony received a response email from his Mama which read:

    Dear son,

    I’m not saying that you “do” sleep with Maria, and I’m not saying that you “do not” sleep with her. But the fact remains that if she was sleeping in her OWN bed, she would have found the sugar bowl by now.

    Love, Mama

    Moral: Never lie to your mama !!

  720. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…GOT TO LOVE THOSE POLLS….

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 21% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  721. this one I really like

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2011/76_say_americans_becoming_more_rude_less_civilized

  722. more polls….

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/69_say_it_s_likely_scientists_have_falsified_global_warming_research

  723. it was I.

  724. and no targets but

    “””Unless things change and Obama can run on accomplish­ments, HE WILL HAVE TO KILL ROMNEY,” (emphasis mine) said a prominent Democratic strategist aligned with the White House.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/gino618/obamas-team-has-revealed-_n_922344_101920009.html

  725. Alec Baldwin tweeted that the riots would not have lasted long had they been in Texas or Arizona.

    In some neighborhoods, vigilanties patrolled, though it was against the law.

    A brave East Indian woman berated looters with a profane speech.

    I hope this wakes Brits to what is happening in their country.

    Mamawink, the Tea Party and GOP are unpopular because big media and Democratic politicians blame them for our troubles. Most people still don’t have time for more than a casual perusal of a few news shows.

    We are not trying to change minds. Independent observation and reality should do it for us. We are equal time until reality is undeniable..

  726. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/29_say_tea_party_members_are_terrorists_55_disagree

  727. so you like polls….

    Voters feel more strongly than ever that decreasing government spending is good for the economy and think tax increases of any kind are a bad economic move. Sixty-seven percent (67%) think that thoughtful spending cuts should be considered in every program of the federal government as the nation searches for solutions to the budget crisis.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/voters_still_express_more_confidence_in_tea_party_than_in_congress

  728. Mamawink, what polls, what policies?

  729. mamawink…
    we’re not trying to tell you that the GOP/Tea Party’s policies are good for the country…..we’re trying to tell you that the liberal/progressive policies are bad for the country…..

  730. I was on the Guardian’s Website and it was a battle royal between outraged Americans chiding the Brits for not having guns and Brits who felt we were all Neanderthals. I have to say when I saw the picture of the big guy forcing the much smaller young man to strip and give him his clothes and shoes that it certainly crossed my mind that, if he had a gun, that sort of thing wouldn’t happen.

    I guess private ownership of firearms is why Americans are called citizens and Brits are called “subjects.”

  731. Why are you wasting your time posting RW tripe on a progressive blog? .You’re never going to convince anyone here, that the GOP/Tea Party’s destructive policies are good for the country. By the looks of the latest polls, most Americans aren’t convinced either.

  732. sales of baseball bats and batons have skyrocketed

  733. I forgot to add my name. British police finally gave people who think they are in danger to use force and any available weapons to defend themselves. The bbcweathercentre.com ran video of looting and interviews last night.

  734. We do have some good news, the Taliban fighters who shot down the US helicopter are dead.

    The Democrats’ recall effort to re take the Wisconsin senate failed though they ousted two Republicans. Two Democrats face a recall next week. Democrats and unions spent a lot of time and money but they failed.

    Scot Walker’s budget is working as he promised. Schools who did not sign with the unions before the law have not had to lay off teachers, and some cities like Milwaukee have more money for their budgets.

    If governments’ living within their means becomes a trend, maybe it will spread to the federal government.

    Our problems began long before Bush. The fifty years Democrats controlled Congress established the framework which put us here. Republicans helped, of course.

    China would like to loan money to another country but so far, we are still better off than our competitors. Europe is in worse shape than we are.

    I agree with what you wrote. In addition to the hidden tax, we all, not just the rich will pay higher taxes. Dr. Ernie Goss, UNO economist predicts the government will soak us all after 2013.

    During an early inflationary period, Americans used an expression…not worth a continental.

  735. The Dow is down 200 points in eight minutes of trading. Hang onto your hats, boys. The temporary fix of The Bernank’s “Quantitative Easing” (printing a ton of money) has come home to roost.

    Our govt is in a real financial bind, and that govt, having not lived within its means, wants more money and you have it. Here is how they are going to use “quantitative easing” (printing money) to get it:

    Let’s say we live in a small economy with goods and services worth $100,000 and $100,000 of money in circulation. So far so good; everything is balance. Let’s also say that I have 50k money in the bank and you have 50k money in the bank.

    But I have a printing press. I print another $100,000. Now there is $200,000 of money circulating, but I have $150,000 of it and you have $50,000.

    Since there is twice as much money for the same amount of goods and services, the true worth of our money is half, which means your money is now worth $25,000 and mine is worth $75,000 = the original 100k of real worth.

    I just took half your money and you didn’t even realize what happened. Slick, ain’t it? And I did it without raising taxes or cutting spending and pissing you off for the next election.

    I also can stiff the foreigners whom I owe money to, since I will now be paying with money that is worth half as much as before.

    Of course they will never lend me money again except at extremely high interest rates, since they don’t trust me, so now I can’t buy anything except as pay-as-you go. Not good in the long term for my economy is it? As they say, you can’t get something for nothing.

    And that, my friends, is IMHO where we are today. No question in my mind GWB started this hellbound train, but Bo has made it so very much worse. Damn them both.

    Rant over.

  736. OT –

    For those of us who kept the faith during the dark days: Apple just passed Exxon Mobil to become the world’s largest company. Huzzaaaaa….

  737. Finally, a Republican has recanted the Grover Norquist tax pledge. We need more of this! The Bush Tax Credits need to go. He went back home and recanted the pledge. Getting rid of the Bush Tax Credits is good fiscal policy.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/will-become-trend-republican-congress

  738. NOP, I am a mongrel. I don’t fit in any category but my own. Its frustrating for some, but not for me.

    I agree Pfessor and uawtradesman.

  739. I really liked the 1st pic with the people holding brooms…..kind of like the Teapartyers……(trying to clean things up)

    Rachel Maddow——-fair and balanced?????

    http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2011/08/08/insults-stupid-arguments-and-lies/

    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/08/08/president-obama-again-refuses-to-accept-any-responsibility-offers-no-deficit-reduction-plan/

  740. anon 10:29

    I actually know the blogger of immoralminority and consider him a friend, although we have never met. He is an unrepentant far-left liberal and makes no bones about it. I think I am fairly objective on the current meltdown; I have been investing in the market for almost 35 years and every investment report I have read for the past three years – including Bush-the-Lesser’s tenure – have predicted exactly what has befallen us. The core of it IMHO belongs on GWB’s lap; many investors did not think Obama could pull us out of Bush’s follies even back when Obama was elected. Unfortunately his administration’s policy has not only made the almost-certainty into a certainty, the unrestrained printing of money has made the depth and severity of the coming recession/inflationary spiral much, much worse.

    If you want a good read, consider Milton Friedman’s “Free to Choose.” Written I think in the ‘eighties, it lays out perfectly the trajectory we have been following and unfortunately where we are heading. Tea Party downgrade? Hardly. That’s just IMHO an attempt to shift blame to the ONE group that understands you can’t keep spending borrowed money. There will be tough times ahead but there is no help for it, I don’t think. The bad decisions are behind us; now comes the reckoning.

  741. Cynthia, seven Afghan special forces soldiers died in the attack too. Two Iowans and a Nebraskan also died.

    Anonymous, it is already here. A mob attacked white people leaving the Wisconsin state fair. Philidelphia is in such dire straights the mayor asked rap singers to help quell the violence. Flash mobs are active in other parts of the country too. The Bush tax cuts did not cause the riots any more than Obama’s failed policies to create conditions for more jobs. Blacks are suffering more than many of us, and the unemployment rate is very high for young black men. If you have a job and can pay for your food and shelter, you may hate that rich people have more than you do, but you are less likely to riot than if you try and fail to find a job.

    Our country has suffered large economic disparities before. The Depression featured unrest, and so did the farm depression of the late seventies and eighties.

  742. Pfessor, I agree many of the troops in Europe serve little of the origional purpose and some could come home. However, several of our bases are important outposts to protect us in the event of a war in the Middle East etc. Without them, we would be reduced to air craft carriers or long US based supply routes.

    China is trying to increase its influence in the East. We need bases there to countermand their potential future aggression.

    Uawtradesman, the British have had problems for awhile because numerous Muslims and other minorities have moved in without being assimilated into the general population as is usually the case here. A few communities live under virtual Sharia Law. Other European countries are in a similar state.

    Some of the stories are heart rending. Defenseless victims ran for their lives or watched looters steal and burn their stores. Police were in short supply, and in some cases, they watched stores burn.

    I remember the post Rodney King riots when looters burned and stole. Many people were victimized, but Koreans not so much. They were armed and protected their businesses with bullets. A network news show taped a man aiming his pistol.

    I am prejudiced because Koreans are part of my extended family, and it is politically incorrect to say this. Had the British been more like the Koreans with weapons, the riots would not have been as awful as they were. Of course the streets would have held more dead people.

    I like pajamasmedia too. You might enjoy Betsy’s also.

  743. UAW: As we have a greater gulf between the haves and have nots, we can expect more unrest. 400 families owning the US – it is just a matter of time before unrest starts here. The BUSH TAX CUTS CREATED A MONSTER GULF BETWEEN THE HAVES AND HAVE NOTS IN THE US! It is way past time to get rid of the GW Bush tax cuts.

    IT IS THE REPUBLICAN AND TEAPARTY DOWNGRADE! Boehner got 98% of what he wanted and now he wants to blame President Obama.

    Rachel Maddow explains the downgrade and paperwork setting up the downgrade quite well.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/rachel-maddow-points-out-that.html

  744. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/09/afghanistan.pilot.son/index.html

    “A young boy in Kansas was among millions in America who watched the horrifying news this past weekend about the Chinook that went down in Afghanistan’s Wardak province.

    That boy in Kansas soon found out that his father, a U.S. Army pilot, was aboard the doomed helicopter.

    In the midst of his world shattering, he could not understand why the Navy SEALs drew so much attention. There were 30 Americans on board that Chinook. Why wasn’t anyone mentioning his father, a chief warrant officer with Bravo Company, 7th Battalion, 155th Aviation Regiment?

    So he sent in a photograph to CNN’s iReport of his dad, Bryan Nichols, sitting with four of his Army buddies in front of a military aircraft.

    “My father was one of the 30 US Soldiers killed in Afghanistan yesterday with the Seals rescue mission,” he wrote. “My father was the pilot of the chinook. I have seen other pictures of victims from this deadly mission and wish you would include a picture of my father. He is the farthest to the left.”………

    Braydon Nichols is 10 years old and he wants you to know……. his father…..….Bryan Nichols……..….died along with the Navy SEALS on Sunday August 7, 2011!

    Peace NOW!

  745. James, whenever I think there is hope for you, well, you go all goof on us again.

  746. http://cryptome.org/info/totten-protest/totten-protest.htm

  747. and some people think we should be more like the U.K.

    did ACORN go over there?????

  748. anon @ 9:31

    Agreed wholeheartedly on the military budget. I’m generally critical of libs AND conservatives – at least the far-right social agenda, although the cons fiscal policy seems right on to me.

    Somebody turned me on to pajamasmedia last week and I have really enjoyed much of it. It is conservative, but makes me think of the OLD days of conservatism when the GOP was not dominated by the Religious Right and was filled with Thinking Conservatives. Here is what I think is a good article on Europe and protecting it with American troops – for what? Basically nothing in return. If I were king, probably my first decree would be to close 3/4 of all foreign military bases. Tomorrow.

    Thoughts?

    http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/an-anatomy-of-european-nonsense/

  749. Interesting idea: The military budget is way out of line when you compare our budget to other countries budgets. If you look at all areas of the US budget in relation to other nations – what part of the budget stands out as excessive when compared? Can we afford to police the world?

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/barney-frank-military-spending-blame-us-cred

  750. Yes PFessor, taxes help manage the herd don’t they?

    alaskapi, your kayak experience sounds like a good story to tell.

    One theory if ice age development holds that warming causes more snow and initially creates widespread glaciation.

    Delurkergurl, a while back you wrote that Obamacare will help reduce costs and lower our medical expenses. According to The Daily Caller, official forecasts ignore the cost of insuring the families of some employees. It could increase the price to as high as $50 billion a year. Other miscalculations will make the bill higher. This is only the latest incorrect estimate of future costs.

  751. Pfesser-
    I don’t have time today to respond but thought you would be interested in this:

    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/alaska-glacier-crushes-plane?page=0,0

    Not all glaciers here are receding though most are. Had a far less damaging but very scary runin with an iceberg in a kayak years ago myself. Other folks further away said they had never seen a kayak do a 180 in the air which I somehow managed to do when the wave flung me up. I hit the water again at proper angle not to swamp or roll (pure luck) and paddled out . The fellow’s remarks about river based and tidewater glaciers are spot on.

    Robin- glad to see you here.

  752. James –

    You mentioned an interesting concept: that tax laws can be used to change behavior. If you think about it, that is the same as more tax: if a particular tax law causes you to spend your money on something that you would not otherwise (in order to get a tax break), they are in effect taking your money and spending it for you. So the code has overt taxes which you see and covert taxes which really amount to extortion. It would be like the school bully telling you that if you don’t buy his girlfriend a Coke, he will take the money from you by force and buy it himself.

    In the end the result is the same: you spent your money in a way you did not want to do. You are unable to choose how you spend you money – you lost control of it, which is the same as just handing it over.

  753. Robin Salvitory Allison, Democrats with Republican help caused our economic melt down. The government starting with Janet Reno, ACORN and other groups pressured banks to loan mortgage money to poor people, especially minorities. The altered bad loans entered the system and financiers turned them into other forms which they traded across the world. I agree, there wasn’t enough regulation, but the root cause was the bad loans which polluted the world’s financial system. We need a regulated free market.

    I agree the Canadians managed the crisis better than our government did.

    Greed motivates people and businesses. Governments exist in part to regulate our greed and channel it along paths which benefit the most people. As you wrote, the tax code is a useful tool to encourage people to behave in certain ways.

    If a government wants people to earn more money it lets them keep more of what they earned. The money circulates through the economy and increases government revenue through the creation of new wealth. The Bush tax cuts later extended by Obama helped create more jobs and government revenue. That is a fact. That Republicans and later Democrats spent more than taxes brought in is also a fact.

    Thus removing the income tax cuts during a near recession is a bad idea. It takes money from the private economy and exacerbates the problem. Other taxes or or loopholes are fair game. GE should not be able to earn as much as it does and not pay taxes, for example.

    I agree the deck is stacked against some people. Equal opportunity is an ideal. Luck, abilities and social status alter the equality of outcomes.That’s life. This modified capitalist system is flawed, but it works best for the most people.

    Flu is a shaky argument. It mutates, and occasionally becomes more deadly than normal. Flu deaths are more dependent on individual strains than on the economy.

    We are over regulating ourselves. That as much as taxes weighs on business and consuming. For example, a four year old was forbidden to sell lemonade to Ragbrie riders because she didn’t have a permit.

    I hope you keep writing.

  754. I agree with the Pfessor. The government has restricted competion and imposed bureaucratic layers which interfere with the efficient practice of medicine. Some is necessary, but we have gone too far.

    Another reason the cost of medical care rises is technological advances make it more valuable. Cars cost more, for the same reason.

  755. Did somebody kill anonymous? poof. he’s gone. :-)

  756. alaskapi –

    Points well taken. But I believe the reason the costs are so high is *because* it is not a free-market system; the govt has distorted the market and then sets out to “fix it.”

    Let me give you an example: When I was a kid, there was NO govt involvement in medicine. Medicare had not been conceived. We went to the local MD if needed, but did it sparingly because it cost money out of our pockets. Same for hospital and surgery costs, but medical insurance was very affordable for everyone. The average doctor made $8000, the average American $4000/year. (I had a “history of medicine” course in med school and we went through this stuff.) The local emergency room (for the one hospital in town) did not staff its ER; the docs at the hospital took turns taking call from home; if someone was injured the doc came in, patched him up or sent him to a larger center.

    Now that town has about 1/2 its former population; like all of WV it is in a state of chronic decline. There are now two hospitals; one has two full-time 24/7 dr’s. The other has four docs 24/7. I worked in the ED for a while and just for interest kept a log one weekend. Of about 100 patients, I classified 80 as “do not need to be seen at all.” About 12 “need to be seen by their Dr. in the office tomorrow.” Only about 10 were “emergent.”

    So what is happening? Medicare/Medicaid have turned the EDs into walk-in clinics. Snotty babies who used to be taken care of by Granny are going to the ED, since it is “free.” (And Granny doesn’t live with most 16 year-old single moms these days – don’t get me started on the govt’s perverse incentives to young girls to get themselves pregnant.) Since expensive testing is paid for by the govt (you and me) and the Drs are terrified of being sued, they order every expensive test they can think of. The unlimited demand and easy payments to the hospitals and docs from the govt (you and me again) have driven the cost out the roof. Huge corporations have sprung up to soak up the dollars now flowing like water through the system. This did not exist before and is completely due to available money. There is no incentive to contain cost, and they don’t try. I am being perfectly honest here; I am a part of that system and it is very, very wrong.

    I won’t drone on, but from where I sit I believe that medical care was provided cheaply and efficiently at one time, but not now; I remember those days. The problem to my eye is that the govt causes the problems, then points to them and says, “you need more govt to solve these problems.” Right.

    There was an amazing newspaper editor in Richwood, WV many years ago who ran a paper called “The Hillbilly.” Jim Comstock was his name, and he had more common sense in one finger than most people have in their whole body. He wrote a column in the late ‘sixties and I remember it well: “To my friends the doctors, whom I hold in great esteem. The government has a plan for you. It is called “Medicare.” It will make some of you rich. It will destroy your profession. Run from it as hard as you can.”

    Well said.

  757. Just a couple points: Canada spent much less on a stimulus because-surprise- they didn’t have banks and financiers “too big to fail” gambling like addicts in a casino with others money, because- surprise- they had/have regulations in place that are a lot stronger than what we were left with after some god of free markets decided allowing the fox to guard the hen house was a grand scheme.
    If you like the days of the Robber Barons, and the Guilded age, with 80 hour work weeks and no employee benefits, then a totally free market is your dream. Dog eat dog. No rules. Your boss not only fired you when you wouldn’t sleep with them, but spread the word you’re unreliable and not a team player? Welcome to the world of unemployment. No one guarantees you a job, or food, or a home. Better to die and decrease the surplus population,
    I don’t advocate a “welfare state”, and never meant to say I begrudged someone earning a lot of money. I do think tax codes should be used to encourage the social goal of everyone qualifying for a shot at the American Dream. Lower tax rates encourage greed at the upper margins. Things like deductions for charity were instituted to encourage folks to spend that last million instead of saving it. Business deductions did the same, but now the best deductions come from off-shoring- this isn’t good public policy. Once family farms became the exception rather than the rule, government social programs became a necessity. People under nourished and living in extreme poverty 1) are less competent physically and mentally as a workforce- bad for business 2) more susceptible to disease. Look up what flu epidemics used to do in this country. It isn’t all modern medicine that makes flu less deadly, it is social programs like minimum wage, food stamps, WIC, public health departments.
    Unions overstepped back in the 60’s- I was a kid and recalled strike after strike. The backlash came and wages, even non-Union, never recovered and have been declining steadily despite huge gains in productivity and profits. A business doesn’t have a moral obligation to end poverty or provide for their employee’s retirement or health care in some eyes, their sole moral obligation is to turn a profit, I happen to think if a business takes advantage of the benefits of being in the US to turn a profit, they have the same responsibilities as any individual citizen to contribute to the common good. If they can contribute to a political campaign, shouldn’t they pay as much in taxes as I do?
    IF marginal rates went back up to historical levels, the uber wealthy would be more inclined to trickle it down to the folks who don’t have loopholes to exploit. If my net remains the same after deducting a business expense by hiring someone, and having an extra someone means I can expand services and turn a better profit or more repeat business, I will hire, Or I can give my good employees a raise and net the same-happier employees, less turn over, more profit. But our tax code has been whacked askew from the balance we once enjoyed that drove the economy. Business also quit looking at long term goals and became driven by quarterly reports. It used to be a long term goal to retain, rather than turn over , employees. It costs several thousand dollars to bring up a new hire. But the new hire is cheaper once you get past that first quarter. Even more so if you can half ass train them and then fire them for non-performance.
    Lousy jobs I stuck with because I enjoyed them (and part of the lousy was due to schedules that made job hunting a royal pain) I was valued because I had been there long enough to remember what worked and what didn’t. I watched as training new folks up to speed was lost in the pursuit of bonuses by the managers. I watched customers turn around and leave if one of us old employees were not there. But there were always new customers to take their place I guess.
    I work for what around here is decent wages- not great, but decent- yet to mostly get by I work 50-85 hours a week. Lucky me, I’m exempt- no overtime. Telling me this is a great nation because one can “choose” to work several jobs “to get ahead” is a farce when the vast majority of us working over 40 hours are doing it to survive. My partner has her own business- she loves it, it makes it better for the family as far as togetherness, but it won’t make her rich. Especially if Medicaid gets cut- that will screw both of us as far as paychecks. We both deal with disabled. Should disabled be the sole responsibility of family? How about the person with no family? Let them die? Who wants a spot on the death panel? Lock them all up and warehouse them? We still pay, more than providing in home support. Why am I in the wrong for thinking if .01% of my tax dollar goes to Medicare a millionaire should contribute the same %? Because my contribution is a few bucks while theirs may be hundreds?

    I want no one starving or sick in what is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth. Both take away your freedom of choice. The present top heavy wealth distribution is toppling our economic engine. It isn’t a free market if you have to work 3 crappy jobs to make ends meet. Free to vacation? I’m not free there, I don’t have the money. Free to move and find a new job? I’ve never moved since college where it took less than a full work week of packing and hauling ( and friends helping)- or I could pay a couple grand and get a mover. I’m helping someone right now. They literally have no money left, I’ve spent 100 bucks on food and gas and close to 40 hours and still we are not done-course some of that was child care. Most of America does not enjoy the freedoms of the free market because a totally free market wants you to work for free and buy their goods at a premium. This is why the government needs to regulate and tax to encourage better and more jobs. Not because I want a nanny state, but because life isn’t fair, and people take advantage of that. Henry Ford paid his workers enough that they could afford a car, provoking howls of outrage from other businessmen. It worked. It also raised wages at other factories to compete. The economy grew. He could have paid a normal salary and made more initial profit. He also would not have had the productivity advantage of loyal workers, and a smaller market for his cars. Here lies the root of our economic problems- companies no longer care about loyal workers, or loyal customers, or even stock holders. They don’t give loyalty to the communities they are based in, or even the nation that allows them to succeed and paves their roads. They don’t give loyalty to their workers- you’ve been here 10 years, that high school dropout is a lot cheaper than you, we don’t care about loyalty. The CEO is concerned about his next bonus and making his numbers look good. If he screws up? He’s already made enough to live comfortably, and will probably go off and screw up elsewhere- after all,if company x paid him millions after they fired him, he must be good, right? There isn’t a free market, there’s an old boys club that is competing to see who has the most toys when they die.

  758. Ok, I this goes back a few days, but I was rolling on the floor with tears reading the schizophrenic hijacking of Noah’s avatar and then the people who actually thought it was Noah. Sorry it happened, but it certainly made me laugh!

  759. 62% of bankruptcies are caused by Medical Expenses. Something to be proud of for sure. Time to change the system. (Those are often people who have health insurance.)

    http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/109143/top-5-reasons-why-people-go-bankrupt?mod=bb-checking_savings

  760. Bill Maher NEW RULE

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/bill-mahers-new-rule-is-that-left-needs.html

    The biggest reason for bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. We have a high rate of bankruptcy by the way.

  761. Pfesser-
    Alaska Native Health here does very well and more closely resembles other countries than the rest of America. There are folks who abuse it but the numbers are low.
    In most of the state it’s all there is, usually in the form of a small clinic or a travelling PA in touch via VHF or sat phone with an MD, and in areas where there are no other options , non-natives use the services for a small co-pay.
    People in ANC and the valley have medical services which more closely resemble Outside but vast numbers of folks are sent Outside for specialty things and/or surgeries we don’t have the specialists for.
    For every slob like the one you mention who leaches services , we have neighbors such as mine who killed himself by jumping off a bridge because he found out he needed a minimum of $10k just to get a handle on what was up without factoring in costs to go Outside to do that or any treatment . He worked day in and day out at a job which took care of him except for insurance and his buy-them-himself premiums here would have been over half his paycheck. He wasn’t 50 years old.
    We need to do something sensible.
    It’s gone on too long.

  762. That’s a pretty interesting study. I see they cut the numbers of deaths dramatically. Of course they were comparing themselves to, well – themselves. Kind of like that Nutrisystem commercial: “My wife says I’m not as disgusting as I used to be.” So the British docs are not killing as many as they *used* to. Hmmm…..

    The second problem I see is the assertion that the American system is a market system. “See where choice and competition get you” I believe was the quote. I see the American system every day – from the inside – and I can tell you it is far, far from a market system. Govt programs have themselves introduced almost all the inefficiencies, which the govt then points to as proof that we need – you guessed it – MORE government, to get rid of the inefficiencies. Not a day goes by that I don’t see some young gal – about a 400-pounder, usually – roll into the ED in an ambulance and as the gurney is wheeled in, she is texting or talking on the phone. Inefficient? You betcha, as Klondike Kardashian would say. But, of course, the govt pays for the ride (which is code for “you and I pay for it”) and after her ten thousand dollar workup for vag-itch, when she needs a ride home, it will be by ambulance – paid for by Medicaid, of course.

    Yep, we certainly need medical reform in America. No doubt about that all right…

  763. Oh right!!!! The US has the best system for the few people who can afford it.
    How many people have no health insurance in the US now!!!!

    Check out this information about the UK: When the study was done, they expected to get bad reviews – surprise. It was the opposite when looked out objectively.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/aug/07/nhs-among-most-efficient-health-services

  764. anon 5:59 pm –

    “UK has one of the most cost effective health systems in the western world.
    Maybe we could learn something?”

    I would suggest you talk to people in the UK who actually have to *use* that system. Waiting times for elective procedures such as hip replacements (elective unless you need one, I guess…) have been published elsewhere, so I won’t go into that. Suffice it to say that we see those people over here paying out of their pockets to get procedures they have been denied or postponed for many months in the UK .

    I would also like to know what your source is for “the most cost effective health system in the western world.” Cites, please..

  765. Sorry babe, that would make me a Republican.

  766. You obviously have an axe to grind, go for it Noah.

  767. I’m very disappointed that President Obama didn’t call Congress back, all these problems….

  768. I don’t know if FEMA is reacting to our economic problems or something else. They have denied help to our flooded counties. Iowa and Nebraska governors are protesting because the expense will approach Katrina levels, or so they say.

    It is as silly to blame Reagan for our current deficits as it is to blame Johnson. They are all responsible, though some of the money had to be spent. It was not all frivilious spending.

    alaskapi, I like your discussion of rural-urban issues. It is a serious problem. I understand their reasoning when the Corps of Engineers says this flood will cost them over a billion dollars so far without counting the rest. They say they will have a problem fixing the levies because the flood will last into September. Thus, they will be sure the cities are safe, but rural folks might need boats.

    Thanks to for the link to the latest video. Our children tease me about my age too. If you google The Dandy Warhols-Sleep 2000-Thirteen Tales From urban bohemia on you tube up loaded by rayloflightcanada, you will see a pictorial history of the Mideast from the Balifour Declaration to Obama’s first Middle East conference.

    Pfessor, I like westerns and am looking forward to watching “Cowboys and Aliens.”

    NOP, if you are still around, what are some of your favorite songs?

  769. seems strange that a lot of people want to blame Bush for Tarp when 171 Dem reps voted for it vs 91 Repubs…almost 3 to 1 dems reps voted for Tarp the Repubs 1 to 1 vote…..in the senate the Dems voted 38 to 9 for …

    and to the people that don’t like fox i also get my news from Drudge and the Daily Show…..

  770. Robin Salvadori Allison many of your “facts” are opinions.My opinions don’t come from Fox News, MSNBC or any other cable network, because we don’t have cable.

    I agree with some of your opinions and disagree with others. I have a problem with the following statements. Fighting a war without asking for general sacrifice has been done before with a change of details. Lyndon Johnson said we could pay for the Vietnam War and for his War on Poverty because our strong economy could buy both guns and butter. We later paid with high inflation.

    The fiscally sound liberals were not fiscally sound, they were hyprocrites playing for political advantage. ( Not that the Republicans were any different.) They voted not to raise the debt ceiling for political advantage. As soon as they took Congress, their fiscally sound beliefs were hidden in Al Gore’s lock box.

    Bush lowered taxes and told people to shop for good economic reasons. The recession which began during the last of Clinton’s administration worsened after 9/11. Bush was trying to stimulate the economy, and he succeeded.

    Later, Obama and his allies said people needed to shop more to help the economy. His allies lowered a few taxes to encourage people to spend more.

    Most tea party people know enough to understand that the government cannot create private sector jobs. They voted for less government spending because they believed changes in government would create conditions for higher private employment.

    The Obama administration has also been making rules which interfere with economic development and job creation. It is one reason so many businesses are hoarding their money. The future is too uncertain.

    I may have missed something, but I think I agree with the rest, especially the balanced budget amendment and partisanship. I will continue voting for Democrats half the time, but I will never vote for Obama, even if Daffy Duck is running.

  771. No One’s Puppet, again you do yourself a disservice by making a blanket statement about a news organization then generalizing it to an entire group of people. It is that kind of thinking that has this nation involved in so much infighting.

    Robin Salvadori Allison
    “CEO compensation, income from market speculation, and Corporate profits are at all time highs,”

    This statement both in context and out of context has nothing to do with anything. The market/, private sector, and share holders dictates what compensation is due these people as it should. When did making money become a crime?

    “while income for all the people President Bush encouraged to go shopping has fallen.”

    Sorry, but these two statements have nothing to do with one another. This is not the United States of Charity, or fair play, or equal shares for all. This is a capitalist society and a society of freedom. Freedom to go on vacation when you want. Freedom to go to school, get a degree, work for someone or start your own business. Freedom to work 2 or 3 jobs, not because you have to but because you want more than what you have. Or freedom to do none of these things, work sometimes, and settle for less.

    All of these things are there for us, and it is not fair to lay it at the feet of business or the government to subsidize people’s choices to use their freedom as they see fit. Are there inadequacies? Absolutely. Does everyone have the exact same opportunity? Absolutely not. Is it the fault of businesses that it is this way? No. Is it the governments responsibility to legislate us into being even-steven for all? No.

    Problems do exist in big business. Business is not in the business of ethics, it is in the business of making money. Capitalism is what made this country great. Unchecked Capitalism has a hand in where we are today. The biggest enemy of Capitalism is government regulation. The trick is finding the balance to make business act in an ethical manor, but not so much so as to prevent business from doing what it is intended to do. People need to stop vilifying the very thing that allows most of the things we enjoy in this country to exist.

    “Fact: The stimulus blamed on Obama as not working was not large enough according to most mainstream economists. ”

    The exact opposite is true. Of the countries that used money to stimulate their economy, those that did far smaller amounts, thus incurring far smaller debt, are doing much better than we are today, Canada is a perfect example.

    “Problem is, with 9.5% real unemployment,”

    Maybe in Texas, but where I live we passed 9.5% “real” unemployment more than 2 years ago and dream for it to be that low to this day.

    “Fact: Jobs drive spending, which creates demand which creates more jobs. A paycheck does not care who cut it. Cutting the pay/benefits/hours of a government employee harms the economy just as badly as cutting a private.job”

    Now you are confusing me. A Liberal using Conservative talking points. The fundamental flaw in your argument is stimulus created jobs are an expense. Tax payers are paying to create these jobs. This does not give the same benefit as a true job creator making permanent, sustainable jobs. As soon as that shovel ready job is finished, those people are back on the unemployment line.

    “Until some of the trillions gets trickled down to the wallets of folks like me who will spend a windfall by buying new tires instead of used, or have a restaurant meal, there will be no incentive created by demand to grow the economy. ”

    This entire, oddly worded paragraph is just talking about redistribution of wealth. I concede the dangers of a society becoming too economically top heavy. However, I have never seen any kind of redistribution of wealth that had a long term positive effects. I am not saying it is not possible, only that I am not smart enough to conceive of it. Welfare and its effect on people is a perfect example of the kind of dependance that is created when people are just “given” things. People HAVE to have a stake in creating or some way participating for it to not have a deleterious effect.

    “Fact: A balanced budget amendment for the feds would mean that events like 9/11, Katrina, tornadoes, and recessions could not be dealt with.”

    Sorry but this is just not the case, and this is why I strongly disagree with a previous paragraph of why you said you do not want a businessman in the Presidency. It is possible to run a government without inuring debt. It is the responsible thing to do to pay as you go. To decide as a nation what programs are important to us and pay for them. In doing this we can reduce a tremendous amount of waste. If we knew due to waste, that we might lose an important social program, then maybe more of us would hold our officials accountable to fix the problem. In reality we borrow to cover our shortfalls, never fixing what got us to that point in the first place. We need greater accountability in where our dollars are spent.

    This post is very indicative of the problem in politics today. Liberals and Republicans alike seem to be concentrating on the symptoms and not the problems that created the symptoms. We spend all our time looking for who is at fault, rather than trying to figure out how we got here and how we are going to not only fix it, make sure we never find ourselves in this place again. Great, everything including the sun rising this morning is George W. Bush’s fault, & Obama played to many rounds of golf, great, it’s all his fault too. Now that we have that out of they way, how about we fix things eh?

  772. Robin’s tome doesn’t have one fact right. Not one…every one of them is a lie or a distortion of fact.

    Sadly, it will be Robin that suffers the consequences of her mendacity.

  773. Bravo Robin Salvadori Allison! If some here would turn off Fox News, they would know all of this and the country would be the better for it.

  774. Mageen,

    When GW Bush took office. Approx 80% of furniture bought in the USA was made in the USA. Now, iless than 20% of furniture bought in the USA is made here. Jobs were sent overseas.

    Pills: When GW Bush took office. Over 80% of drugs used in the USA were made in the USA. Today, 20% of the drugs bought in the USA are made in the USA. Jobs were sent overseas. (BTW: There was a rider in the Bush Prescription drug bill which said the US Govt could not negotiate for lower prices. The point they made was that we would get drugs from overseas.)

  775. Okay silly people, I am delurking.
    Fact: When the wars were begun in the ME, they were off-budget for the express purpose of leaving Bush’s budget numbers looking good. Obama (as the fiscally sane liberals had cried in the wilderness about) put them back into the official budget. This made HIS first year budget numbers suck, even without the stimulus and Bush passed TARP.
    Fact: This is the only time in US history that we went to war, and rather than sacrifice and higher taxes, our President called for lower taxes AND told people to go shopping on credit.
    Fact: CEO compensation, income from market speculation, and Corporate profits are at all time highs, while income for all the people President Bush encouraged to go shopping has fallen. I know my income is higher this year than last, yet I have been forced to rely on food banks and my bank’s equivalent of payday loans to survive this year. I have also had to put off necessities like tires for the cars. I need a new lawn mower. I need new underwear. I make do while companies sit on trillions in cash. Not valid,as just personal crap, but I wanted to vetch.
    Fact: The stimulus blamed on Obama as not working was not large enough according to most mainstream economists. It saved millions of jobs, and let many states balance their budgets. Notice what has happened since the republicans have blocked any further stimulating spending. Job and growth numbers have tanked.
    Fact: Ronald Reagan put a “fix” in for social security. Precisely for today, when incoming funds don’t cover outlays. Problem is, with 9.5% real unemployment, the loss of tax monies from undocumented workers using fake ID (pure gravy for the tax system-they can’t collect a penny), and the stupid payroll holiday, there is less money coming in than usual. Couple that with fewer people earning close to the cap because the money in the economy is concentrated in the hands of hedge fund managers (15% tax, not subject to SS/Medicare), it trashed their projections. If payrolls had done the historical thing and risen with company profits through higher wages and benefits, we’d probably be fine. We also would have had a much milder recession. But only a dishonest person will scream about needing to cut benefits to SS when raising the income cap to reflect new realities (and creating some jobs) would do the job.
    Fact: Polling shows the majority who voted for tea baggers (and yes, I refer to the radical true believers by the name they first chose for themselves because it smacks to me of an association with carpet baggers) voted for jobs.
    Fact: Jobs drive spending, which creates demand which creates more jobs. A paycheck does not care who cut it. Cutting the pay/benefits/hours of a government employee harms the economy just as badly as cutting a private job. Often worse, because either services are cut (costing consumers more in time, gas, or money) or the replacement contractor costs pennies less but pays minimum wage with no benefits and fewer oversights. So replace 50 government jobs costing $20 bucks an hour with 50 jobs costing $10 plus someone’s time for oversight plus 10 bucks an hour profit and you saved nothing of tax payer’s money, as well as knocking those 50 jobs into the category of paying less tax in addition to using more social services.
    Fact: The party of small government/no government keeps making laws that come between consumers and their doctors, between certain faiths/beliefs and their free exercise, and voters and their ability to exercise that right. Right now, I can find my SS card and have a driver’s license. When I’m 80, I won’t place bets on either. But an 80 year old in some places now needs a picture ID to vote. In one of those states, you need a picture ID to get a copy of your birth certificate. You need a BC to get the ID. This is the United States?
    Fact: If one person making a million pays 5% tax, while a person making 100 grand pays 10%, the millionaire is paying 5x the taxes in raw dollars than the other. Saying that the person paying 83% of the total tax revenue is overtaxed due to this fact is either showing ignorance of mathematics, or complete dishonesty,
    Fact: A balanced budget amendment for the feds would mean that events like 9/11, Katrina, tornadoes, and recessions could not be dealt with. It would throw catastrophic costs on to state budgets, most who have a BBA. It means much higher suffering/taxes on a state/local level. States are doing their slashing now that the stimulus is spent. Jobless numbers are rising fastest in the states that have slashed the most. Revenues fall, creating more slashing.
    Fact: Until the wealth is more equitable in this country and the world, we will be trapped in the cycle of poor revenue=cuts=poorer revenue. Until some of the trillions gets trickled down to the wallets of folks like me who will spend a windfall by buying new tires instead of used, or have a restaurant meal, there will be no incentive created by demand to grow the economy. Selling short and making a million creates not one new job, unless it is hiring another immigrant to mow your grass.

    Fact: Facts have a liberal bias, which is why only honest conservatives pay them any attention. As a young person, I was a lot more “conservative” than I am now. Since then, I’ve studied and learned a lot more about how the real world works and in most definitions am a flaming,unapologetic liberal/progressive.

    Fact is, I have never seen so much partisan obstruction in Congress since Gerald Ford when it was the dems, which made this lifelong democrat go independent/republican for about 15 years. Bush and 9/11 set me straight, and I will never vote for another republican again, no matter how venal their opponent. These people are not only obstructionist but nuts. I pray to God that people are paying attention and slap them back to reality.

  776. Anonymous, it wouldn’t be government that handles the business ethic thing. I have just simply seen enough of so-called ethical businessmen that I really don’t want to see one in the White House, especially when the only ethic is to buy out a company, dissolve it and ramp up the unemployment statistics in so doing, then reconstitute it, rehire some of the employees at minimum wages and no bennies. That is not job creation.

  777. Great insight AlaskaPi Thanks

    How we got to the deficit we now face!! Remember It started with Reagan. (He said he was going to balance the budget but did the opposite.)

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/just-reminder-as-to-how-we-got-here.html

  778. apropos of uaw’s remark about fences around places with 40k or more-

    “Baker v. Carr and subsequent cases fundamentally altered the nature of political representation in America, requiring not just Tennessee…
    but nearly every state to redistrict during the 1960s, often several times. This re-apportionment increased the political power of urban centers and limited the influence of more rural, conservative interests that had benefited from the Supreme Court ruling injusticiable such “political” questions as those of apportionment…”

    http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Baker_v._Carr

    ——————————————-
    Regardless of conservative, liberal and all shades betwixt and between the loss of voice for rural America has cost us all dearly.
    This and subsequent cases were hailed as liberal victories by what I see as short sighted people.
    In the almost 50 years since this ruling rural America has lost voice and participation all over this country. Some of the deepest problems we have here in Alaska flow from the outfall of this and similar rulings. To simply shrug and call isolated and unheard peoples dummies torches my shorts.
    I do NOT hold with Tea Party ideals , actions, or any of it but to leave unsetttled vast questions and problems which face rural America has helped fuel this thing we see now.
    There are decades of real and abiding problems going on all over. Folks just bail out of so called blighted urban centers and leave the poor to fend for themselves. In rural America , far too many just get told to move to the city and get a job… neither of these things really work- in city or rural areas, but we would rather deride the “culture of poverty” in the inner cities and the “dummy belt” of rural America… more fun and easier than fixing anything?
    More coffee and deep breaths in order…

  779. anon 6:42 –

    To us Libertarians, that is exactly what the govt is supposed to do – enact rules to protect the weak from the strong.

    The First Amendment provides the protection from Legislative corruption by exposing their work to the public. Of course the laws are so opaque and steeped in lawyer talk that that is very difficult.

    It goes to show you the genius of the Constitution – purposely written in common language rather than legalese – so that ANYONE can understand it. Notice it is the laws, not the Constitution, that have us tied in knots. But enough about the IRS. (grin)

  780. Respectfully Mageen in Old Virginny, the government cannot manage to buy a toilet seat for $30,000, and you want them to attempt to legislate ethics in business Lets think this through. Our corrupt politicians, most of who ( Repub, and Dem alike) are are millionaires from these same businesses, legislating how ethical business will be conducted?

  781. COalmostNative . To say that Federal tax is at a historical low does not automatically implicate anyone one particular idea such as it being impossible to stimulate growth. We did not get into massive debt because of low taxes. We could be a 25% tax rate and still be neck deep in deficit spending.

  782. Mageen –

    Glad your husband is doing better. All best to you both.

    My family and I just saw “Cowboys and Aliens.” We liked it a lot. Harrison Ford is, as always, awesome.

  783. Dear congenial folks on the porch, looks like I missed a really, really good conversation that jumped up in the past few days. Husband is coming off the effects of what we hope is the last chemo session so I took him to the movies. Saw “Rise of the Planet of the Apes”. Yup. All the rave reviews are right on. The film will be a point of controversy with certain populations, especially the ones who refuse to believe that we could have ever had any kind of even tangential descent from anything that looked simian. Shucks! I heard about the virus theory decades ago. Viruses have been around as long as dust has. A “good” virus that clicked with the DNA in a particular Early “Human” Type was supposed to have assisted the evolution into humankind over thousands of years. From what we know about viruses these days, theres a lot to that position. Audience got invested in this film and applauded at the end just the way audiences did at the end of “Forrest Gump”.

    You can bet I am huge on healthcare. We are so far behind the rest of the developed world in this regard that it is embarassing. Yes, we do need to have laws against shipping jobs and industry off shore just to avoid taxes that multi-billion dollar corporations (in just one quarter of a year!) don’t want to pay. Yes, we do need to go for the revenue angle. This Cut-Go jazz is just that. A whole lot of jive. The ancient Greeks (the Golden Age of Greece) believed deeply in balance. Look at their architecture and so on. We need to get balanced. Reform? Yes. Reform the way business is done in this country. I bet you heard somewhere that the book on ethics in business is as thin as tissue paper. Start there. We can make this very, very large, unique and complicated country a solid constant front runner again. Just don’t reform it into GONE!

  784. COalmostnative….
    just remember that it’s a lot easier to get $1 from a million people than $1,000,000 from 1 person…..

  785. Federal taxes are at a historical low – they are currently just 14.8 percent of GDP versus a postwar average of about 18.5 percent – so it’s implausible to argue that further tax cuts will stimulate growth. If we want to raise the long-term rate of growth, we have to increase saving and investment, channel more public investment into education and basic infrastructure, and promote scientific research and technological advancement. It takes a lot of time, but it works.

    Countries willing to increase taxes to provide government services are going to do better- they evaluate to services they’re paying for, decide what’s needed- and develop more efficient ways to provide those services.

    Change our health care system to provide more incentives for low-cost but effective treatment options, and do that do drugs, too. The focus should be on quality of care, not how many tests are ordered.

  786. Anonymous, sorry if I hurt your feelings. Again, I ask, are you advocating the mass release of criminals into society?

  787. You didn’t save any BBQ for us??!!!
    sheesh.

  788. just thought I’d add that there was 0 leftovers from 40 lbs of BBQ chicken…….

  789. are we getting a consensus on “Whack the MF’s instead of feeding them”….

  790. Stupid Anon: Here is some information about the current prison system and how it is spending our money hand over fist. In the end – profit is the motive in the prison system, not the safety of people or rehab of prisoners. 60 BILLION PER YEAR TODAY IS SPENT OF PRISONS!!! The cost of putting up prisoners has shot up since privatization.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/new-expose-tracks-alec-support-replacing-u

  791. Donna –
    “Pfesser: You are right. I was wrong. My intentions are good but that was a slip. Thanks.”

    Not sure what slip you mean there…I hadn’t actually noticed one.

    “What about Rumours? Another great one–loved every track.”

    God I had so many memorable experiences listening to that. When I was in grad school I came home tired to the point of exhaustion many nights – usually getting to my trailer (yep! trailer trash!) about 2 am. My wife would be in the bed and I would crash on the couch and drift away to sounds of “Dreams” – and “dreaming” of Stevie Nicks in that gauzy outfit. Ahhhhhhh……..we didn’t have much of a place to live but we had a decent stereo. Priorities, you know.

    delurkergurl:

    “As for the healthcare reform act, it is projected to save money, while giving coverage to far more people. Part of the program is designed to help social security and medicare so those programs can survive longer. Repeal it now and do it later means it won’t get done. In my opinion, that would be a mistake. Work with it, and fix the flaws, but don’t scrap it.”

    I work in this field (medicine) every day; it is trivial to see where the problems are. The “projected to save money” is just more bogus government accounting. (I would like to see an amendment to the Constitution: “all government accounting shall be according to GAAP.” Think about it: have you ever seen any new service – not present before – that didn’t cost anything? How could new services save money?

    My opinion: scrap it and start over And Do It Right This Time.

  792. Criminals already control the public.
    These guys are above the law.
    Herein lies public enemy number one.

  793. So are you advocating a mass release of criminals into the public?

  794. Answers today:
    -Increase the taxes on the wealthiest (Take back the Bush Tax Cuts)

    -We are paying more per capita for health care than any other nation.
    The health care reform act WILL REDUCE THE COST and provide care earlier so we don’t get hit with major bills for critical care.
    -Cut back on wars. If we cannot afford something – bring our troops home and save 1 million per military personal in a war zone per year.
    -Prisons: Since privatizing prisons, we are throwing everyone in prison for longer and longer times. Most are in prison for non-violent crimes. A lot of money is wasted there.
    -GE AND MANY OTHER CORPORATIONS PAID NO TAXES and then got Tax rebates. We need to stop this practice.,
    Overall: Making the sick, elderly, middle class and then giving tax breaks for sending jobs overseas needs to change.

  795. The problem with Obama care is we already had enough unsustainable programs. Obama care may save money in long run (I still think it won’t) but we won’t survive economically to get to that point. We need answers today, not in 10 years.

  796. Regardless of where the debt came from, it’s up to all of us to pay for it. All. Not just the middle class, poor, and elderly. We know a lot of debt came about as a result of the wars and prescription drug programs, and despite knowledge of those expenses there were massive tax cuts granted. This magnified the problem. Spending less doesn’t get rid of the previously incurred debt.

    As for the healthcare reform act, it is projected to save money, while giving coverage to far more people. Part of the program is designed to help social security and medicare so those programs can survive longer. Repeal it now and do it later means it won’t get done. In my opinion, that would be a mistake. Work with it, and fix the flaws, but don’t scrap it.

  797. I got $20 internet bucks that says Anonymous = juneaujoe

  798. Tax Increases on the wealthy and corporations needs to be part of the revenue mix according to S&P. The Republicans, under direction of Teabaggers, has stopped the tax increases which brought on the downgrade.

    http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2011/08/mainstream-media-ignores-sp-attack-republicans

  799. 60% of the budget deficit is from GW Bush – time to be honest folks.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/howard-dean-tea-party-has-been-smoking-some-

  800. The TEPARTY DOWNGRADE!! Interesting but it makes sense. President Obama had a 5 Trillion deal which included increasing taxes and it was turned down because of the Teabaggers.

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/john-kerry-tea-party-downgrade

  801. you get what you vote for

    “Students return to Atlanta’s schools this week for what’s likely to be a tough year amid a cheating scandal that has forced thousands of students to get remedial tutoring because they were promoted based on forged test scores and left the district with a shortfall of up to $10 million.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHL_6XveohzAlAHCJ4lepo0MIwDw?docId=4b85507725f14373833ef616f7d667db

    “On the state tests for high school students known as Regents exams, an analysis by The New York Times found a suspicious spike in the number of students who scored just over the passing bar, a statistically improbable result. The city has begun to audit those exams, and the state has changed a policy that had required teachers to re-grade Regents tests of students who came close to passing.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/nyregion/new-york-reviews-ways-to-avoid-school-cheating-scandals.html

    http://www.freep.com/article/20110727/NEWS06/107270396/Survey-Nearly-30-Michigan-teachers-report-pressure-cheat

  802. The DUMMY BELT!!

    IMHO I’d just put a fence around the cities(over 40,000 pop.)

  803. http://frozengrin.blogspot.com/2011/07/head-shots.html

    back at ya uaw :-)
    now, I really gotta go to work

  804. a little humor….

    http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/permalink.asp?artist=payne&date=110806

    http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/permalink.asp?artist=asay&date=110805

  805. James –
    Dandy Warhols are interesting… will listen some more.
    Son teases me that I’m too old for listening to these guys but they fascinate me

    Gotta go to work

  806. The DUMMY BELT!! There is the Bible Belt, the Rust Belt, etc. How about the DUMMY BELT. Interesting concept, I like the statistics which go into making the Dummy Belt.

    http://beeryblog.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/americas-dummy-belt/

  807. Yes, definitely the Rumors album. It was one of their best.
    Fleetwood Mac was also good when they were an English blues band. I heard them sing “Black Magic Woman” in England.

    alsakpi, I hadn’t looked at Friedman and Keynes as a hybrid. I don’t think Keynes would recognize what others have done to his economic theories. In the words of Waylon Jennings “would old Keynes have done it this way?”

    I said all of our leaders are thieves and knaves for dramatic effect. You are probably right, and we do need different points of view, but I still regard most of them as people who want power and who’s motives are less than altruisitc. Maybe you can convince me to believe differently as I once did.

    Have you ever heard of the Dandy Warhols? They are a Portland band who attracted a following among college students around ten years ago and who are still popular in Europe.

    If you have time, maybe you could google Dandy Warhols “Bohemian Like You” Live at Glastonbury 2002, you tube. I like them. A friend doesn’t. What do you think?

  808. oops got Mr bromley in there twice… too busy rocking out to Fred… sigh
    Got to spend a day around and with him once- when he did a concert here. Amazing person.

  809. Pfesser-
    Mr Friedman , to some extent, was the architect of policies which got us where we are now

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman

    A rather large and peculiar amount of time is still spent arguing his argument againt Keynes’ ideas when in reality many of Friedman’s notions are now part of the economic fabric of thought and action- and have been for some time.
    We would be wise to look at the share his ideas have in the messes we have gotten ourselves into lately.
    The argument at the wiki page that a peculiar blend of Friedman/Keynes was in action at the beginning and mid-point of this last great mess is a good one- because it certainly was a hybrid.

    http://www.aae.wisc.edu/dbromley/pdfs/italy.pdf

    This gent has done a lot of work in fish economics amongst other things and makes some arguments which are somewhat different than what we are so used to now.

    http://www.aae.wisc.edu/dbromley/pdfs/italy.pdf

    James- I think it is too easy to ascribe the failure of Congress to personal gain in power and prestige, though it certainly has a place in the problems.
    The divorce between so many Americans and the posturers in Congress is obvious but we sent them there for whatever reasons we did. I have been talking a lot recently to young men who do not vote and when I have time will share some of what they think and feel.
    At some level we all agree there is a broken-ness to what we are doing now which must be fixed. I would argue that each main POV has something valuable to add to solutions but that the desire to overthrow that which we have made such a mess of has not evolved beyond finger pointing and tearing at each other.
    Anony of the checkbook and credit card analogy- that is a precarious argument given that far too many live beyond their daily means and accept it as a norm. Assuming that only those who do live within their means are correct falls into a messy mess when you look at the way business solicits funds via speculation and all and we accept and expect that.

  810. What about Rumours? Another great one–loved every track.

  811. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/07/31/the_debt_crisis/

    Pretty darn good information about how the debt crisis evolved over time…

  812. THE TEAPARTY – Teabagging America. A good video by DC Douglas

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/wisconsinites-drown-scott-walker-out-at.html

  813. The WAR ON UNIONS
    A moment of clarity. Quite good. A short video

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/defending-civil-liberties/the-war-against-labor-.html

  814. I like the Tusk video too. The marching band looks so young and earnest. Now they are in their fifties telling stories of the old days when they got to be in a video.

    We can’t forget Cold Play. That piano riff in Clocks is one of the best ever.

  815. Donna, you had better be careful. I agree with you once again. If this goes on, people will start to talk…

  816. NOP, I and a lot of other people agree our political system is broken. Here is why, our leaders are like two fighters bouncing about the ring and looking for an advantage. They care only for themselves.

    In making the deficit agreement, they say in effect, we cannot do what is needed because the voters would throw us out of office, and our portfolios might suffer. Lets put the blame on others. We will create a commission and set triggers so horrible to the country that we can blame it on the triggers. Life will go on for us.

    Following the music theme, Carolina Liar sang what I told the Vet Center many years ago. “Save me I’m lost. I’ll pay any cost. Save me…Show me what I’m looking for…”

    The counselor was a Vietnam combat veteran, and when I told what had happened, he said ” why did you do it?” “you could have stayed out of it.” It made me mad. Here was a man I respected telling me I should have taken the easy way out. It was wrong. He was a man much braver than I telling me to in effect to be a coward.

    I was the coward in ways he didn’t understand. I had do what I did, because I knew that when I turned fifty, I would not have survived the reproachful eyes staring at me in the mirror. The men I helped eliminate were better than the trash “serving” us in Congress. Years ago, I told our representative to his face that a decision was less than courageous. He sent me a G///d form letter thanking me for my support.

    Our system is not broken. Mendacious cowards infest the halls of Congress. that is the problem. It won’t change because they give us things we want and soon need. I should be mad or scared, but it isn’t worth the effort.

  817. Pfesser: You are right. I was wrong. My intentions are good but that was a slip. Thanks.

    As for Tusk, you are so right.

    The Perry rally scares the crap out of me. Particularly because it was funded by a group that believes that the First Amendment only applies to Christians.

  818. Anonymous, number one or two, Elsie and I in response to her quoted deficite figures too. They show Bush collected more than Obama so far, but it took him eight years and much of the later spending was an attempt to save our economy when it crashed. Obama and others supported the emergency spending.

    Its the tragectory. Spending instituted by Bush and especially Obama sends our projected deficit to stratispheric levels for years. We cannot survive in our current form with such outlays. It serves no purpose to play the blame game. You do what you have to do to fix the problem. In this case, fire the people who have failed us.

    Al quiada declared war against the West during the Clinton years. Terroristic attacks and deaths were a regular feature of those years. Neither Bush or Clinton took them seriously enough. After 9/11 we all did. The invasion of Afghanistan ended the status quo and ended large scale terrorist attacks for awhile.

    I have mixed feelings about Iraq. Our invasion did change the dynamic.

    You are not the first to blame the deficit on our wars. Are you saying we should have stayed home and ignored the status quo? Or are you saying we should have fought the wars but not let them be “unfunded?” What do you mean by “unfunded?” The wars were budgeted separately and helped lower our apparent deficit. Are you saying we have not paid for them, and all of our the people and companies who provided services are still waiting for their money? Or are you saying we bought the wars with borrowed money? If so, you can say most of our entitlement programs are unfunded, for the same reason. Please enlighten us.

  819. Keep beating that Bush horse Anonymous, 3 years of beating it might not be dead yet.

    IMO we need to get out of Obama care. We lived this long without it. Lets cut that spending, get our economy back in order and revisit the subject when it makes sense. Save social security and shore up medicare for now.

  820. Here is a breakdown of the deficit!!!! Guess what – Most of the debt came from Repubicans!!!!! Tax cuts, Unfunded Wars, Unfunded Prescription drugs (and govt not allowed to negotiate for lower prices.) That is a lot of debt by Republicans!!! and then President Obama took office and forced into extending the Bush Tax Cuts,

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/05/economic-meltdown-villain-george-w-bush-s-staggering-debt-numbers.html

  821. Two unfunded wars plus little side military actions cost a lot for sure.

    Putting 1 in 10 people in prison is not cheap either. We need to stop the Bush Tax cuts to the wealthy if we have any chance of bringing down the deficit. It would also help to stop a war or two.

  822. “I liked “Tusk” by Fleetwood Mac”

    James – That album got panned by the critics but I absolutely loved it, especially the song Tusk itself. Probably the beat. Just sets me free…LOL. The Best of Fleetwood Mac is the only CD I own that I like absolutely every song on it. Mamas and Papas Greatest Hits would probably come in second in that category.

    Donna – I may or may not understand your POV but it seems to me that if there are old wounds to be healed – as much as that is possible – the process might start by discussion an an area where everyone agrees, such as music. Carry on; we will follow your lead.

    delurkergurl, (I think): “What bothers me is that it’s an intentionally created crisis that’s leading to an on-purpose recession and a negative view of our nation on the global scene.”

    The reason IMHO that the world has a negative view of us and that our credit rating was cut is that both are appropriate.

    I read about 1-1/2 hours every morning before work, usually on one subject until I get tired of it. I have spent the last six months’ mornings reading economics. I am currently reading “Free to Choose” by Milton Friedman and his wife, whose name escapes me now. He perfectly describes in the book what happens when the government hasn’t the gonads to increase revenue by tax increases and instead just prints money. (“The Bernank” calls it quantitative easing, which is code for “printing a ton of money.”)

    Friedman likens irresponsible money-printing to the drunk who enjoys his booze and then wakes up with a hangover, which he decides to treat with the hair_of_the_dog_that_bit_him, which is to say, more booze. When they fire up the printing presses, good times ensue, then inflation, followed by recession and high unemployment. If they try the hair of the dog and print even more money (as in Quantitative Easing # 2), it just gets worse, with more inflation and more unemployment, which is precisely where we are now, and where we are heading. You cannot repeal the basic laws of economics.

    You can’t believe a word the govt says about inflation, since their numbers are bogus and they leave out things they don’t want to report. What you do is look at the price of gold. If you have done that recently, I don’t need to say more. Inflation is here, high unemployment is here, recession is here, and it is all because of “quantitative easing” by gutless politicians – both Dems and Republicans. If Rick Perry weren’t such a lunatic religious nutcase Dominionist, I’d say elect HIM. At least he understands basic economics.

    On that front, my wife watched much of the Rick Perry “Day of Prayer” today. She was very disturbed by what she saw. Did anybody else see it?

  823. some people apparently missed it…..
    our debt is only going to rise to 26.3 trillion instead of 28.8 trillion…..yes a 2.5 trillion cut but also a 12 trillion increase…..

    from the man you can trust…

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-3-2011/dealageddon–a-heartbreaking-work-of-staggering-compromise—the-super-committee

  824. Hey Stupid Anonymous 4:58: Just getting important and informative links out!!!! Here is another one!!!!! It is a good website though!!! Thanks for the compliment!
    JOBS, JOBS, JOBS – That is what got Republicans elected the last election, now it is time for them to actually push JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!!!!

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/krugman-time-get-serious-about-our-ec

  825. The lack of grammar in “anonymous” 4:58’s post puts one in mind of someone who supposedly had left this blog.

  826. Anon, sounds like your trying to driving traffic to a website.

  827. Who bet a BILLION DOLLARS on S & P down grading the credit rating? Who is making money off the down grade? Time to find out and name names. We generally find out that it was a money maker by the chosen few.

    http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/economic-terrorism-take-two

  828. The Republicans and ALEC have this great idea! Increase the number of people in prison for non weapon charges (drugs) and then have them do the work of Union Workers. (They are as cheap as workers in China but without shipping costs.) Cute ALEC AND REPUBLICAN APPROVED RIP OFF!

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/new-expose-tracks-alec-support-replacing-u

  829. Can we Start talking about Climate Change Yet?

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/texas-drought-continues-massive-strai

  830. Nearly everywhere I went today I heard about Standard & Poor’s down-rating of the credit of this country. In general, no one could quite believe it. It sounded to most people like S&P was a strange, spoiled child. As for me, where the bleep was this bunch when for 8 years the Republicans were chanting their mantra of “Deficits don’t matter.” My late sainted mother did not like S&P. She had an expression that went like this, “they just don’t smell right.” The older I get the more I appreciate that my mother was just about always right!!!!

  831. That’s true anonymous. The government has a poor history for us to trust it with our future. Margaret Thatcher, I think said the British socialist government spends other people’s money until its gone.

    I agree NOP, the Wisconsin recall elections might be a game changer.

    Yes, Poolman it is down to we the people. A royal flush is coming, and so far, we don’t know who will be swept away.

    I’ve enjoyed the discussion, and I have finished another computer project.

  832. Politics as usual. That is our reality.
    Until we, the people change it.
    As individuals we can’t, as a people we can.
    Timing’s right for a royal flush…

  833. Amazing, it took moments to go from the business of governing back to campaigning and blaming, next it will be perpetual elections, starting next Tuesday in Wisconsin. Now that might be a game changer and predictor of the 2012 elections.

  834. The difference being, you were taking a risk with your things, your life. The government, congress, is taking risks with all our futures, and has a history of doing very poorly.

  835. Anonymous, its embarrassing to admit, but my wife and I played with credit cards. Near the end of the farm depression we lost a crop. The crop insurance check was missing and the insurance company didn’t find it until the middle of the summer, so we had no money for our $6,000 in property taxes.

    We paid with a credit card under an introductory zero interest policy. We rolled it over to another low interest card before interest was due. We paid the card company after the insurance check came.

    A strange thing happened. Credit card companies loved us and increased our loan limit. We borrowed some of our money from credit card companies because it was cheaper than borrowing at the bank. Borrowing operating capital that way put us in the middle of a ponzi scheme. Sometimes, we paid the bank in credit card money. We had to watch our pennies daily to avoid a trap which would take us under. We always projected income and expenses in different scenarios so we were always able to pay our bills. It came at some sacrifice, but we kept and paid for three farms.

    I believe our government is doing what we did. It juggles money, but unlike us our government fools itself into believing it has paid its bills.

  836. NOP, of course I believe in paying my bills. For that reason, my wife and I have a very good credit rating.

    Raising the deficit ceiling has usually been pro- forma, though Democrats tried to politicize it when many, including Obama voted against raising the ceiling when Bush was president

    .I’m not turning this into a blame game, our problems are long standing and only now are the chickens beginning to come home to roost. They didn’t just happen. I agree they all failed, it is important to know how . The history is documented.

    This time Congress had members who were “ordered” to reduce spending and told if they didn’t do their jobs, they needed to pack their bags. They forced the issue and threatened to vote against raising the cap unless real cuts were made in the budget. Otherwise the vote would have been relatively uneventful.

    Democrats and moderate Republicans found it ideologically and politically difficult to find programs to cut. The issue was not default. We had enough money from government inflows to meet current obligations. Negotiaters knew that. Their goal was to avoid a shutdown which would have adversly affected the economy. Some Tea Party types were willing to go over the edge because they feared more for the future than a short term shut down.

    The real issue was downgrading our securities, and no one told us that. If big media had done its job and told us that $4 billion was the benchmark and that any deal which fell short of it would cause a downgrade, it would have altered perceptions and incentives. Maybe then the politicians would have made some decisions with less fear of demagogery.

    I admire Truman too. Yes, the buck stops with the president, but in fairness to Obama he was only the last in a long line of players. He was foolish enough to spend some really big sums of money at the wrong time. I believe he should not seek a second term.

    Yes, this is an embarrassment. It is awful to have a government as broken as ours, but so far we are the biggest game in town. I believe our dollar rose late last week because we were becoming a refuge for Euros fearing an even bigger melt down over there. The Chinese rant and complain, but where are they going to invest their extra money?

    Otherwise, we will probably have higher interest rates and the economy will be stuck in doldrums. The big crash is coming, just not yet in my opinion. If I indulge in the blame game, I blame the media.

    its awful for me to say I don’t trust my own government, but I don’t. Troops are coming home, but I will believe they will all be gone from Iraq when I see it. Totally irrational on my part.

  837. James, like the Tea Party, you apparently don’t realize raising the debt limit means paying your bills.

    It is sad but there are many people who believe this. Can you imagine if in your own life, when a bill came due, you kept turning to credit cards, and fooled yourself into believing, you were paying your bills?

  838. James, like the Tea Party, you apparently don’t realize raising the debt limit means paying your bills, perhaps we should change the name to “pay your credit card bill or pay a higher interest rate, or be refused further credit.” The Constitution requires that we pay our debts (without question); they all failed on this one, like I said, we are darn lucky we only losing one star. Do you think our creditors are going to put up with this silly business any longer, that was the most embarrassing display of broken government ever, so don’t you turn it into another political blame game. They all failed, but ultimately “the buck stops” with the President (big admirer of President Truman here).
    And by the way, we are coming out of Iraq, our military are turning in their military and desert equipment when they arrive in the States, instead of leaving it for the next guy in Iraq now, because there will be no next guy.

  839. NOP, we have different opinions. Ask a Tea Partier, and he/she will say the same thing about the liberals and moderate Republicans you did. The libs and mods sold them out.

    Someone said the same on Omaha talk radio yesterday. The host said that was odd. His e box was full of Democrats saying they had lost.

    Yes, brinksmanship is dangerous. Obama steped to the edge too. He and Boenher were on the verge of an agreement which included billions of new taxes. Obama raised the stakes with a demand for more taxes, and the Speaker left the room.

    As I noted before, both sides are trapped in prisons, and until they regard this as a problem worthy of their sacrificing their careers if necessary, we will live with it until circumstances force us to throw Grandma over a cliff.

    Today, as an investor I would sit on my money out of fear of the unknown. Many hoarding their money. You are right about that.

    Our children were little terrors too, but they got tired of going to “jail” on the couch. These people are not children, but adults who pay taxes. Both sides need to work together, and name calling only hardens positions and creates hostility.

    I agree, we are lucky to have lost only one star. We need another Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neil.

  840. James, I raised three pretty good kids, as two-year-olds they all had a temper tantrum, I didn’t negotiate with them (after all, they were domestic terrorists). After one try each, they knew I would simply walk away from and ignore them; it wasn’t worth their while to try it again. The Tea Party will try again, because the Republicans and now the President have caved to their will. Brinkmanship is dangerous, as an investor, would you want to invest in a country ruled by the whims of two-year-olds? I fault Obama for caving to them instead of going with the Fourteen Amendment solution. I think we are darn lucky we only lost one star, at least so far.

  841. You should like this Poolman.

    From Hot Air “The media wants to blame the Tea Party, but it wants to solve the actual problem–overspending and overcommitment to entitlement programs. The Tea Party wants to blame the Obama administration and it deserves some blame for refusing to address the real structural problems of the US fiscal condition. But that fiscal structure far predates Barack Obama, … Congresses and White Houses of both parties have done little to address the real problems in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

    Why? Because as soon as people try to do so, demagogues accuse them of wanting to push Grandma over a cliff. Voters respond by punishing the reformers and rewarding the demagogues. If we collectively want to blame someone we collectively should be looking in a mirror.”

  842. Additional taxation is a band-aid at best. Whatever % of tax increase would make you happy, 20-25% right off the top would go to waste and personal pet projects. We need to clean house, make the government 100% accountable for every penny of OUR money they spend and rebuild from the ground up .If we don’t fix what got us here in the fist place we are just spinning our wheels.

    Agreed. Further, politics is the problem, in that it gives us the illusion of black and white, right and wrong, left and right. In reality we need both left and right in addition to total transparency in our government. Until we get there, there will always be a scapegoat on which to blame our collective woes…

  843. New York Times columnist Joe Nocera wrote “… comparing the Tea Party Repubicans to terrorists. The words I chose were intemporate and offensive to many, and I have been roundly criticised.
    . I was a hyporite …when on other occasions I’ve called for more civil politics… I apologize. “

  844. No One’s Puppet , I think that is a purposeful manipulation on the same level as delurkergurl. They are no more domestic enemies than you or I. They are ideologically different, nothing more. You discredit yourself trying to put them in an obviously false light.

    Additional taxation is a band-aid at best. Whatever % of tax increase would make you happy, 20-25% right off the top would go to waste and personal pet projects. We need to clean house, make the government 100% accountable for every penny of OUR money they spend and rebuild from the ground up .If we don’t fix what got us here in the fist place we are just spinning our wheels.

  845. NOP, “domestic enemies is a little strong. The Tea Party people are merely people with another point of view.

    As alaskapi and I agreed earlier, the press failed to research Obama and we got who someone we created in our own image. Realty bites.

  846. Juneau Joe, agreed on a Donner Party, you can’t be reasonable with the Tea Party, have to either go through them or around them, then bite them in the butt.

  847. delurkergurl years ago, the government decided they needed to stop the Indians from waging wars against each other and for harassing a wave of Mormon and other immigrants. They bribed and forced the Indians to agree to stop fighting and to accept government help in return for life on reservations.

    The Indians grudgingly agreed, but a band of Indian braves killed and ate a Mormon’s cow. The Indians offered to pay for another cow, but the Mormon would not be molified. He wanted the wrong doers punished. The government tried to make peace with both sides, but it failed.

    Finally they sent a band of cavalry to bring the offending braves to jail. The commander had no choice because his orders were clear. He had to bring the Indians back or he would be charged with insobornination. He was locked in a prison with no choice in how to act.

    The Indian chief lived in another prison. He had to stay firm or he would lose status with his followers. Both men tried to find some common ground for compromise, but circumstances forbade it. Someone fired a rifle, and the battle ended with all of the soldiers dead as the last phase of the Indian wars began.

    Our politicians were locked in a similar prison. The Tea Party legislators went to Congress for one purpose, to lower the deficit. They knew what would happen if they refused to stand up for the values of the people who voted them there. Likewise, Democrats knew people on the left would condemn them if they gave away much. As it was both sides caught abuse for their inability to hold firm. Now we are stuck with a festering problem.
    On our current path, our interest payments will exceed our military budget by 2020.

    We need politicians willing to sacrifice their careers and pensions to change how we do things. Don’t hold your breath.

  848. In my opinion, the moment President Obama negotiated on the Tea Party’s terms to secure their and the Republican;s vote to raise the debt limit, my respect was lost. Personally I expected the man who ordered bin Laden death and refused to deal with pirates, to refuse to negotiate with “domestic enemies.”

  849. Well, at least John Boehner got 98% of what he wanted and he’s happy. That’s what’s most important. Is it now time to round up everyone living at or below the poverty level, take them to the ritziest neighborhood in town, drop them on the big, beautiful front lawns and say “ok, Job Creators, you got your tax breaks and cuts, at the expense of the full faith and credit of the USA, now where are the jobs you’re supposed to be creating?”

  850. Anonymous, you might be right but the flood is coloring my views. We face a crisis and we all need to work together to survive. I am also trying to be diplomatic. I agree what delurkergurl did, but she actually believes it.

    I cited figures which show that tax increases often bring in less revenue than expected. They also hurt employment because they take money from the private economy and fail to send as much back as they took. Our leaders have to be very careful about how to increase taxes, especially now.

    We can’t just leave Iraq or Afganastan. They are like a mortgage. We are stuck with them for years. Many people would die if we suddenly abandoned them. Cutting them loose would be nice, but it is a pipe dream.

    Connie Mack, I think proposed that we take a penny of every dollar from every government program. Next year, we take another penny and so on. That might work.

    Donner Party? Why stop with the Tea Party? How about fried or baked Democrat, or maybe boiled with dumplings? Mmmm Mmmm good!

  851. You’re right, I did give a very one-sided biased view. I’m angry that an administrative clean-vote issue was screwed up into having massive consequences and causing fear for everyone. Fear leads to more crappy decision making. I need someone to blame. If any of those blowhards were serious about the debt, then revenues should have NEVER been off the table. I’m also angry about the amount of lying that’s happening about where the debt came from. Everything that needs doing is being obstructed or watered down, and then when it fails it’s Obama’s fault. It’s twisted.

  852. http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/bill-mahers-new-rule-is-that-left-needs.html

    The link for NEW RULES

  853. NEW RULES – THE DONNER PARTY! How the Dems should deal with the Teabaggers.

    Very good

  854. Thanks Helen. We need you wisdom.

    We need to undo the Bush tax cuts. It would also be great to pull out of Iraq and/or Afghanistan – the wars put on credit cards which drove our debt up.

  855. I disagree James, I think it is time to point fingers. Neither side seems to have the countries best interest at heart. Neither side is honest. delurkergurl completely manipulated the facts about Obama’s budget saying it was the Republicans fault, when neither side would vote for it. I am sure there are just as many misrepresentations on the Republican side. Point being none of them are looking out for us. Seems to me to be a game of get the public to pick a side, then we all duke it out, make them concentrate on the fight while we live it up behind the scenes. People need to realize, they don’t HAVE to be a R or D. It is far past time we send a message to these people. Congress needs to stop being the place where people go to become rich.

  856. The 6:37Am anon post was mine. The computer said it didn’t go through, so I repeated myself.

    Another analogy is the Indianapolis 500. Danica Patrick led the race through luck and good stragedy, but her car was low on fuel and not as fast as several other drivers. Though she led, the other driver’s eventually passed her.

    A four trillion dollar cut in spending sounds like a lot, but it isn’t enough. Our politicians won’t reduce our spending because we won’t let them, so we look over ours shoulders like Dannica Patrick as our fate gains on us.

  857. This is an unwitting, not intentional fiscal crisis of the same order as our flood. An official said this week that its cost will rival Katrina’s. An Omaha talk show host compared the two this way.

    Suppose the Corps of Engineers says we will buy pumps and take a trillion gallons of water from the river. We don’t know where it will go, and we don’t have the pumps yet, but a special committee will decide soon. Meanwhile we will be sending another seven trillion gallons of water down river during the next ten months.

    We may all have to pay more taxes, if for no other reason that to make government consumers pay attention. Even the low income people who escape the Internal Revenue Service need to be involved. Everyone, should pay something, even if it is only five or ten dollars. The current tax proposals will hurt job creation even more, and total revenue may fall. History supports my view.

    S&P wrote that they have no opinion on our spending and taxation. They believe the our representatives have no stomach for making tough decisions which will control our spending.

    I agree with Mageen. Too many of us want other programs but ours cut.
    Both sides are to blame, but though I agree with anon, that liberals gave us the final straw, this is not the time to cast blame.

  858. If a person had a huge credit card debt, would you tell him to address it by only cutting expenses? Heck no! You’d tell him he also needs to make some more money.

    In an ideal world this is fine advice. But how many of us out there working 2 jobs just to get by can go out and earn more money anytime we like?

  859. As I understood it delurkergurl 100% of the Democrats rejected that bill as well yes?

  860. I agree, AlaskaPi. Obama’s proposal was $4 trillion, which is what the credit agencies wanted to see. But it included revenue increases so the Republicans rejected it.

    If a person had a huge credit card debt, would you tell him to address it by only cutting expenses? Heck no! You’d tell him he also needs to make some more money.

  861. delurkergurl, I agree with much of what you wrote, except for your word “intentionally”. “Unwittingly” seems more appropriate to me. It also applies to “on-purpose recession.” Nobody wants a recession.

    The Omaha World Herald wrote that our flood will cost the Corps of Engineers a billion dollars, and since we are still in flood the cost rises every day. This doesn’t include any other costs. An official said the total cost will be in Hurricane Katrina territory.

    Like our flood our fiscal problem was unwittingly caused by the government. Right and left helped cause our short fall, but the left dropped the final straw during the past several years. As anonymous wrote, it looks as if the Republicans were right. Look at the record. As people hostile to the Corps have said, this is not the time to cast blame. We must work together to survive.

    An Omaha talk show host compared the flood and our economic problems this way. Suppose the Corps of Engineers says, we have a plan to pump a trillion gallons of water from the river and send it somewhere else. We don’t know where it will go, or where we will put the pumps, but trust us, we will decide soon.

    It will be better after we remove the trillion gallons, but we will be sending another seven trillion gallons of water down stream in the next ten months. That is what is happening to our country.

    Standard and Poor wrote “we maintain our view that the US net general government debt burden (all levels of government combined, excluding liquid financial assets) will likely continue to grow.”

    “Standard & Poor takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the US’s finances on a sustainable footing.”

    A major concern for them is entitlement spending in Social Security, Medicare and other programs.

    One effect will be the government will pay us more interest on our savings bonds.

    Mageen, I agree that people tend to say “cut other people’s benefits, but I need mine.”

  862. delurker-
    The refusal to increase taxes is as much a part of this mess as anything. Refusing to increase revenue means/meant all/ most of the debt reduction comes in cuts.
    While we wait to hear if S&P really somehow missed a couple trillion in cuts/debt reduction in their analysis, folks might want to look around their own backyards .
    How much is getting cut, referring to Mageen’s comment above, because we don’t know what is at stake or it affects people we don’t know?

  863. In the grand scheme of things, the S&P rating alone might not mean much financially unless others decide to follow. What bothers me is that it’s an intentionally created crisis that’s leading to an on-purpose recession and a negative view of our nation on the global scene. Deficit reduction needs attention but it all didn’t have to happen this way. I blame the right for the intentional wound, but both sides need to get a whole lot better at this. Imagine if there were a viable 3rd party? Nothing would ever get done!

  864. As for all those spending cuts that the Republicans (this includes the Teahadists) were demanding and did not get, take a good look at what might have been targetted. There are those among the above-mentioned that believe our government should have an extremely limited social contract with the governed. Under that belief, this country could easily end up looking like a banana republic known only for its military dictators. Ask the same people if they intend to cut NIH. Don’t be surprised if you get a blank stare. You wouldn’t believe how many people in this country have never heard of the National Institutes of Health or have only the foggiest notion about it, namely, that it is a privately funded and operated institution. Then ask them if they personally know of anyone with a critical, chronic or terminal disease. I bet my last penny (I am out of all the other coins) that NIH does research on all three types with the goal of saving lives. The very people who demand such governmental excision and amputation all in the name of no taxes will be the very ones who will likely find their own lives in the balance without the work done at NIH, paid for by their taxes. So Standard & Poor and their rating just ain’t what its cracked up to be.

  865. Shelby, did we watch the same movie tonight?

    Anon, that’s the story from before the correction.

  866. Drink your juice

  867. Am I missing something? The news from the S&B is that we were downgraded because the congress did not cut enough spending. My understanding is that the Republicans wanted a lot more spending cuts and were pushing for far more, and were upset that they didn’t get more. It sounds to me like the Republicans were right.

  868. S&B just cut our rating (because the Republicans were willing to put our credit rating on the table, TYVM). Impact is TBD.

  869. Chris Matthews just made an interesting comment. He pretty much dared the administration to move on the unemployment by working on our crumbling infrastructure. When will fixing bridges and roads be less expensive than now? He said it’s better to be yelled at for doing something than for doing nothing. (I’m paraphrasing.) Yep, I agree. When we get through this recession, we’ll still have crumbling infrastructure, and then how will we afford to fix it? Higher interest rates, higher prices… it’s like the stock market. You don’t buy HIGH. You buy low and sell high!

  870. Shhhhhhh……….. just enjoy it.

  871. Really?? Noah took his ball and went home? Really?

  872. I keep reading that you do not hate, that you respect others, –Mr Sea

    In all fairness I don’t see any reference to hate or respect. I see posts on not instigating fights. Apples and oranges IMO.

    Oh and thanks to you and others for your service. Only lasted 6 years myself. My knees/feet & steel decks couldn’t get along. Quite an accomplishment 20 years.

  873. I LOVE MARGARET & HELEN!!!!!!!! :-)

  874. I’ll believe it when I see it but isn’t the atmosphere much better around here since noah has left?
    Just saying. Good riddance…

  875. Way to go, MrSea! Also, thank you for your service!!

  876. MrSea: Thank you for your service.

  877. noahwestmichigan:

    I have been reviewing all of your posts. I truly feel pity for you and all of the anger that is eating at your soul. I keep reading that you do not hate, that you respect others, and yet you contradict yourself in the same paragraphs.

    I am of the belief that the United States of America is on the verge of having three political parties, the Democrats, the Conservative Republicans, and the Extremist Tea-party (who first called themselves Tea-Baggers).

    As you so clearly tried to stand behind the First Amendment to allow for your anger and bile, I shall stand before the First Amendment as I did during my 20 years in the U.S. Armed Forces to protect your right to say and do whatever you want as long as it does not endanger others.

    As for the original purpose of this posting. God Bless you Helen & Margret. Please continue telling us how you see the good and the evil in our Great Nation.

  878. I was quite impressed with John Kerry’s very specific statement on jobs this morning. What I wasn’t impressed with was President Obama’s usual lukewarm acknowledgment that we have to do something about jobs. I think, we are going to have to stay on Obama about this issue to make it happen.

  879. Rick Perry for President??

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/05/rick-perry-college-transcript_n_919357.html

    …A source in Texas passed The Huffington Post Perry’s transcripts from his years at Texas A&M University. The future politician did not distinguish himself much in the classroom. While he later became a student leader, he had to get out of academic probation to do so. He rarely earned anything above a C in his courses — earning a C in U.S. History, a D in Shakespeare, and a D in the principles of economics. Perry got a C in gym.

    Perry also did poorly on classes within his animal science major. In fall semester 1970, he received a D in veterinary anatomy, a F in a second course on organic chemistry and a C in animal breeding. He did get an A in world military systems and “Improv. of Learning” — his only two As while at A&M….

  880. Now THAT is singing! Outstanding guitar playing too.

    So, I’ve read back through some of these comments.
    What’s the deal with this noah dude?


  881. John- remember this ? :-)

  882. great stuff, alaskapi!

  883. Raji-
    GREAT singing by that kid!

    uaw-
    Now I know where all those “embarressmints” people sent me when SP was on the national ticket came from :-) Looks like they are pretty much an equal opportunity make-fun-of-everyone outfit.

    noah-
    I never said a thing to anyone who was arguing ideas with you . That’s on you – to stand for your own ideas.
    I have only said things when folks were being underhanded.

    Someone snagging your WP “quilty” and making it a gravatar to poke underhanded fun at you is a far cry from getting into your WP account but have it your own way.

  884. I think Perry should run. That way the Repubs will just battle each other to the end. Obama doesn’t have to worry. Even with the economy problems.
    It will all be ok.

  885. Helen,
    Sure looks like TX Gov. Perry is going to make a run for President.
    Would love your thoughts on that. I don’t think he should.

    Love your blog. Hello to Margaret! :-)

  886. Way to go Margaret and Helen!
    You go girls!

  887. Matt, my email address is noahwestmichigan@yahoo.com. I will voluntarily pull myself from the board until if and when I hear from you and get your approval to return. What was once spirited debate and commentary has now evolved into real world threats against me. I hope you can see by the posts here that I have been sought out by these people and targeted. Having seen that I hope you will welcome me back.

    I have reason to believe like Rutherford or however it is spelled from another blog that I have been targeted by this person or persons impersonating me. I understand they investigated him and released his personal information. Considering their success with Rutherford, I have to consider this a genuine threat. This person or persons impersonating me have said they are about to or already have released information pertaining to me and personal accounts. As he has been able to access my account on here I have assume he has hacked into my personal system and is using that information gained to carry out his threats to do me harm. If memory serves you are a lawyer. This computer is located in my business and does have company files located on its hard drive. I will be taking it to the State Police computer crimes division Tuesday afternoon to see if I can explore any criminal options. I have copied this blog as evidence of an intent to do me and or my company harm. If I find I have options to pursue any criminal action I wanted you to be aware in case you were contacted. I do not hold you Matt, Margaret or Helen in any way responsible.

    Reference the post By: noahwestmichigan on August 4, 2011
    at 7:41 PM

  888. ‪Little Boy Singing The Blues In A Guitar Store Sounds Great!‬‏

  889. alaskapi I appreciate it if you did stand up to the people who have been relentless in going after me personally. I will take you at your word that you did so, but I missed the posts where you said this occurred. I will also assume Sally did the same. Though at this point it is moot as you will see in the post to follow. Hope I get the chance to speak with you all again in the future. Take care. James, Pfesser, stay awesome, I hope I can be more like you guys one day and let the insults wash off me. Wayne, you were right all along, and I stand corrected.

  890. Amen.

  891. Helen and Margaret, our hostesses here-
    Please forgive me and please ban me too, if you ban Noah.

    Noah- you are a dick, both of you.
    There, that it is out of the way.

    real Noah-
    I don’t know what you call sincerity because I have been quite sincere about telling you I disagree with you and mostly ignore you when you go off on your canned rant about liberals with a capital L.
    And it is a canned rant, neighbor.
    I have also been quite sincere in trying to stand up for you as regards the creepy ways folks have attempted to pick on you .
    I have also been very sincere in urging you to ignore a lot of stuff. I have been sincere when I responded on a couple issues we might have some spots of agreement on.
    Twice in recent posts someone has shown up and chastised you as being bad for conservatives a which sets you off as much as the needling by self professed liberals does. . Whatever you have at stake here in commenting is your own business but it makes it hard on just about everyone else
    except
    Irish Noah-
    and Pffft!!! on you Irish.

  892. Too far, noah. Time for you to go.

  893. oh goody Irish- you want some gasoline,too, to pour on that fire you’re stokin?

  894. Usual response from simple Liberal women.

  895. I vote for Noah to be removed from comments here.
    Who do I contact??

  896. Noah, You are a sick person. Leave this blog. You are not welcomed here and I will send an email to Helen’s grandson to make SURE you are not aloud to be on this site….AGAIN!!!

  897. and she is a cuntessa, by the way. Deal with it.

  898. Raji, absolutely I did. Had a weak moment but I am tiring of being attacked by people I have done nothing to.

  899. Donna
    A singer we agree on :Kris Kristofferson

  900. Sheezh Noah, give it a break. IMO you stepped way over the line with the “C” word and the only reason you didn’t get moderated was you were smart enough to add “tessa”. Even Jacque doesn’t go that far.
    I keep hearing that old dog story ” dadadada “Spot”, dadadada “Spot”. For what ever reason you have reached your tipping point.

    Now back to our regular scheduled program of the top ten hits sponsored in part by Donna, Alaskapi, UAW and Poolman :lol:

  901. alaskapi, Sally, I am starting to question your sincerity and starting to think my trusting nature has made the fool of me again. The record stands open for everyone on here to see that I have never once instigated any conflict with anyone on here, meaning all of these personal attacks were unprovoked. That said, I have to wonder why it is you come after me, yet have nothing to say about them. You chastise me over and over, yet have nary a word to say to the people who time and again keep putting toxic comments on the board. One would think if it were truly your goal to remove the toxic things on this board, and return some civility to these pages, you would go after the people who not only start it, but continue it day after day. I would really like to hear both of your points of view why going after the person who is defending himself is more important than the people doing the thing you purport to be against.

  902. Thank you Donna. You are a good person. My wife and I are ok. Some of the people around us aren’t.

    I just read that Voltaire and some associates realized a French lottery was promising more money than the cost of tickets being sold. They formed a syndicate, bought tickets and set themselves up for life. Voltaire alone won over a million francs.

    I like Joe Cocker and Kris Kristopherson too. I think Kris’s father was a general. Does anyone know?

    We don’t have cable, but we have a digital station which plays nothing but music videos. It is probably not to your taste, but I liked “Tusk” by Fleetwood Mac and the University of Southern California marching band. One of the out takes on Fleetwood Mac-Tusk on Solid Gold 1980 shows Stevie Nicks twirling a baton. She must have been a majorette in school. My wife can still twirl her baton too.

  903. the shit you can find on the internet….

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/aug/04/other-products-poke-fun-at-variety-of-targets/

    http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&cat=new&skip=0&item=2123&sortby=rank%20DESC

    http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0317

  904. LOL uaw and poolman!
    Thanks. Goodnight all.

  905. http://www.jango.com/music/Kris+Kristofferson?l=0

    I don’t know if you can get this Donna- Is KK doing his Love is the Last Thing to Go
    one of my favorites

  906. I love you Helen!!!!

  907. you are correct, James. And I did take it back for exactly that reason. I’d much prefer to talk music or other things we have in common.

    Hope whatever is happening with you is ok.

  908. Calling Noah a boil or windbag was a bit harsh, don’t you think?
    I agree with you Sally.
    Donna, our discussion about music was the most legal internet fun I had in a long time. I hope we do something like that soon.
    Dianne, our room is only big enough for my wife and her two sisters.
    Some things are happening, so i don’t have time for anything else.
    If false James reappears, maybe I can out argue him.


  909. Gotta go eat dinner, enjoy…
    Yuppers, Irish. Sheesh.

  910. Is my lima bean dream in vain? Say it isn’t so.

  911. speaking of ass wipes…..

  912. Leonard Cohen is too Donna- but I usually like other artist’s versions of his stuff better

  913. love him. Another rock poet.

  914. and don’t forget…he makes the world go round….

    He needs help….what a waste of good food.

  915. Irish Noah (hereinafter referred to as “Smart Noah”): but, but, but…he’s such a good Christian! He went to Darfur! When his wife was 7 months pregnant! After they’d tried so long to have a child! And he has all those happy employees who sing after they get their free buffet lunch! And he hasn’t had to buy a loaf of bread in years!

  916. Sunday Morning Coming Down.

    And ok, UAW–that was funny.

  917. Actually, I’m Irish Noah and I would never call someone the “C” word like he did. Wow…Really Noah?? You’ve taken the fun out of messing with your head.
    Oh well…Time to pass out all of your passwords! :-)

    You ass wipe.

  918. Any Kristoferson favorites Donna?

  919. so was she a teapartyer or did she know the POTUS back then…

  920. alaskapi: I can’t post here. Can you get us some Kris Kristofferson?

  921. Thanks Sally!
    There’s a new Sally on the block :-)

  922. Donna-

    feel much cleaner after it rains…

  923. Here’s Willie K doing “We are the World”:

  924. thank you, alaskapi: Great stuff. And far more interesting.


  925. I got to hear these guys real live. What a treat :-)

  926. There you go Donna, back into the mud back where you belong, doesn’t that feel better?


  927. Here you go Donna:-)
    Jeez,Noah…
    Best wishes Craig, very best wishes for you and vValerie.

  928. Nope–I take it back. I am really trying not to encourage that level of discourse. Doesn’t matter who it’s from. I’ll try again to get a musical discussion. Far better and far more interesting than debating something on conservapedia (or whatever the heck it is that he dotes on).

  929. UAW, me thinks the Irish Noah #2 is back too, and using his website as foil. Oh well, it feels like Alice in Wonderland doesn’t it? Or maybe even Jacque in Wonderland having fun?

  930. Oh, heck, Evelyn: knock yourself out. He just can’t accept that anyone who isn’t naive enough to believe his Tale Tales isn’t liberal–it has to be that, rather than having a modicum of common sense and a working b.s. detector. My mistake for trying to get back to the very nice discussion we had about music (in which, of course, only Noah declined to participate). You could be a card carrying member of the John Birch Society and, if you recognized that Noah is a lying windbag, he’d view you as part of ACORN.

  931. Evelyn, or Tessa, you should do As Donna orders. She has a fondness for telling others what they should do and not do on this board. You would be wise to listen. I personally find your personal inquiries in my life very telling about the Liberal you truly are. Unable to argue ANY intellectual point, I assume because of your limited nature, so you go after me. Liberals have been doing this to me since I came on here a year ago, take a number, you are nothing special.

  932. Sorry for the typo…UAW.

  933. James, Noah, Jaques and UAE get a room. Helen keep talking.

  934. um, Evelyn: You’re right. He just wants attention. So, maybe it’s best not to give it to him? When ignored, he does go away for awhile. Just my opinion.

    Craig–thanks for your post. So sorry that things are difficult. We all are thinking of you and your Val.

  935. methinks Noah #2 is back

  936. Thank you for validating my point. This has nothing to do with ideology (do you know that that word means?). It has everything to do with you being unable to tolerate anyone who disagrees with you. By the way, how DO you manage to run that “successful” business and do all of those other spectacular things and take care of the new baby and be so magnanimous and still spend all of your time on the internet, Mr. Darfur?

    Oh, and Noah: The constant use of “kiddo” really shows your lack of originality and vocabulary. If you actually DO have a baby (doubtful), please don’t home school.

  937. For a conservative, which you are clearly not, you argue like a Liberal. You attack personally anyone who doesn’t act or think as you have decided it should be. You are just too close minded kiddo.

  938. Oh Cuntessa, relax a little. I am not here to change anyone’s mind, but that’s what you get when you Assume.

  939. “my belief” rather than “my believe.” Typing error. Unlike Noah, I do know the difference.

  940. Actually, UAW–he is very smart. I think he acts like a loon sometimes but he definitely understands financial stuff.

    Sally: Here is my basic problem with Noah. I actually am pretty conservative. I almost always vote Republican. I oppose abortion. I am not conservative on all issues but you would certainly put me well on the right of the spectrum.

    People like Noah are an embarassment. They validate the worst assumptions that people have about conservatives. He has yet to have anyone on this blog say that he changed their mind on anything or offered anything that’s causing them to think. And why would they? All he does is repeat the same tired statements ad nauseum and attack an entire group of people (liberals) as somehow deficient in character or intellect. Then he starts with the stupid stunts like his one of today. That is in no way intended to start a discussion–it is yet another instance of his inflating himself at the expense of other people.

    I genuinely enjoy real give and take. That is why I enjoyed Vinaigrette’s post. And sometimes people learn something or change their minds or see a different perspective. That’s a great thing.

    Noah is the opposite of that. He is a stupid, self-important, humorless, intolerant, self-congratulatory snot. My objection to him isn’t “semantics” and his statement that it is just emphasizes his ignorance. My objection to him is fundamental: he’s a jerk and he accomplishes nothing constructive here (and I doubt anywhere else).

    The reason that last night was so funny is that someone absolutely nailed his pretentious, self-righteous, boring manner. It was absolutely first rate.

    Oh, and by the way, Noah: the word is “cited” when used in connection with a source. You “cite” the material that you find on a “site.” Get the difference? It’s basic vocabulary. And in your post above that, it should be “my belief” rather than “my belief.” My fourth grader has a better grasp of the language than you do.

  941. Oh and for the fyi…since Evelyn thinks she is better than everyone else on here and knew something no one else did, when in fact I have sited this website 20+ times, here is yet again where I got my conservative values information, the same place I have always got it from. http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_values

  942. Vinaigrette Girl, you lead with assumptions. Not always the best choice. I never said they were exclusive values to anyone, including conservatives. I would…again…and…again..point to the word ideals, and ask you to ponder its significance to this topic.

    I don’t want to live in a society in which my ten year old son might end up getting shot accidentally because he was at the next lane in a bowling alley where some lunatic with a griudge and a Glock decides he wants to take out his ex-wife.

    Fortunately, we do not legislate on our worst nightmares or some fantasy scenario. If we were to do that as you suggest, we would all be locked away and have our dinners delivered to us by armed guards. You are leading with the assumption that most people cannot be trusted with a firearm and so none should be. Were we to apply that logic to other areas such as driving, because some don’t do it well, playing baseball, because someone might no nuts and hit someone with it, fencing, because you might put an eye out, everything would be illegal and life would get boring fast.

    I feel bad, really bad, that you feel everyone is out to get you, and only your government can save you. I cannot image what it would be like to live life that way.

    Not sure what the 700 woman thing is about, you didn’t give me enough background to know what you were talking about. If it is about abortion, as I understand it, it is legal, as it should be.

    As far as taxes go, if you have the magic formula that combines capitalism and socialism into one nice neat package, I am all ears.

    Since you avoided all the conservative ideals, How about you tell me about my believe in pay as you go. You don’t pass a bill unless you pay for it. That is a conservative value I stand for. I believe our kids don’t deserve to pay our tab. Canada GDP to debt is 35%. Ours is 100%. How smart do you think that is, and how will little Timmy feel when he gets his free meds in a country that is bankrupt and offers him no future?

  943. Evelyn, you silly cow. Post your “comments” some place else. This Blog is mine.

  944. Ahh Evelyn Base your entire argument based on semantics…you go with that kiddo…hope it serves you well

  945. Evelyn,

    No doubt you are sharp as a whip. If I could pick a team, I would definitely want you on my team.

    You say what I sometimes feel when people around me say or do things I consider dumb, immature, or down right unfounded. The jacked Jacque also did the same. He was sharp as a whip though too myopic in his views, IMO.

    For some odd reason, Noah is here to express his fear and has for the most part retracted his loathing. I am guessing most people here do not want to “hear” him. However, he does hang around, as does our pet uncle UAW.

    Even though he does cut and paste, irritate the liberals, mix fact with opinion, and post a lot, I can sense some goodness in him. Less malice nowadays, more wanting to reach out. Maybe even an acceptance by him of some liberals instead of the blanket generalization of “all you liberals.”

    When President Obama took office, and had some time with exPresident Bush, his comment on him was “he is a good man.” That really took me aback – for 8 years I hated GW Bush and thought he was evil with a Jesus shirt on. However, 2 years later, I can respect President Obama for saying that, and will also accept his opinion of GW, even though I still think he was the worst president in my lifetime and was too dumb to be a leader.

    Attacks on Noah personally will only make the Noah on attack come out like a festering wound. You are sharp enough to cut through any false statements, and categorize what is fact and what is made up. He seems to be accepted by Helen (and Matthew) right now because he has toned down his messages.

    I don’t mind Noah of present (and Noah, you must admit that hijacking of “your” posts yesterday was kind of funny), but I don’t want to see him revert back to the name calling and fuming hate rhetoric of the past.

    Sorry to sound like Julie Andrews, but I hope you know what I mean,

    Sally

  946. Yes…the cnbc guy…the guy that really got the teapartyers moving….

  947. Vinaigrette Girl ….so you feel safe….

    UK is violent crime capital of Europe

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-

    response time of police-17 min
    response time of 45acp-970 f/sec

  948. The CNBC guy?

  949. Evelyn

    Rick Santelli

  950. 700 women this sucks…..

    “Women were showing up at hospitals in droves to deliver babies having had no prenatal care and no substance abuse treatment,” Lynn Martinez, director of the hotline and of the state’s birth defects and genetics program, told the media.

    She added, “When asked why they hadn’t sought help, their answers were almost universal: They were worried they would either lose their children or be prosecuted. So suddenly you had a double whammy: babies exposed to drugs and babies not getting prenatal care.”

    http://la.indymedia.org/news/2011/07/246834.php

    Question…..
    If we are going to do nothing to a drug abusing mother should we let all drunk driving homicides off with a small fine($25) or less….

  951. kick, kick, kick yourself. I think he’s a bright person but wouldn’t call him a genius. He’s not as intelligent as Clinton, certainly.

    I don’t think most politicians are terribly smart. There may be a few who are truly motivated by the notion of public service. But I think the vast majority–on both sides of the aisle–are motivated by ego and power. We simply don’t get the best and the brightest, because the best and the brightest are doing other things and don’t want the aggravation.

    As for the intelligence of the tea partiers, they are kind of an amorphous blob. Lots of mindless supporters–the ones who are taking government assistance at the same time they are claiming that it’s immoral. Give me a particular person and, if I know who he/she is, I’ll weigh in on intelligence. I’m not about to say that someone can’t hold the sort of views that are attributed to the tea party and not be smart.

  952. when you say dumb as rocks your not talking about the POTUS are you….
    HEHEHEHEHE

    (kick,kick,kick)

  953. are the smart as whips southerners teapartyers????

  954. 700 women being charged for murder because of miscarriages
    ?????????
    is this it……

    “In Alabama at least 40 cases have been brought under the state’s “chemical endangerment” law. Introduced in 2006, the statute was designed to protect children whose parents were cooking methamphetamine in the home and thus putting their children at risk from inhaling the fumes.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges..

  955. UAW: I know many southerners who are smart as whips. I know many people who haven’t gone through higher education who are smart as whips. I know many people who have advanced degrees who are dumb as rocks. Noah, as evidenced by his posts–not one or two of them but the whole tiresome, repetitious universe of bull–is not very S-M-A-R-T.

  956. evelyn….

    every hear the one about the southern guy that said “I might talk slow……but that doesn’t make me stupid”

    Elsie….
    I can’t wait till the next election and we can get some more tea partiers in there……Yes we need more northern teabaggers…..how many do WE have to elect before it is called a mandate?….Rick Santelli for President……