Posted by: Helen Philpot | January 24, 2011

Make a donation to Planned Parenthood

I told you, Margaret.  It’s only just beginning.

Texas Governor Rick Perry said he will introduce emergency legislation requiring women seeking abortions to first get a sonogram of the fetus and listen to a recording of the heartbeat. 

Why?  Well when someone has all the information, according to Perry, “the right choice will be made — the choice for life.”

I find it funny how  universal healthcare is big government gone bad, but somehow the government crawling up my uterus and telling me what choice to make isn’t.  Odd how giving patients information about end of life options is a “death squad for Grandma” but sonograms before abortions are simply souvenirs for the family photo album.

Rick Perry is a jackass.  Period.

Did it ever occur to you Governor Jackass that some of those women who you plan to force to have a sonogram and listen for a heartbeat are young girls who have been abused… young women who are devastated that a wanted pregnancy has gone bad…  poor women who just can’t afford to feed another mouth… scared women who have been raped… and even regular ‘ole women who made peace with their God and don’t need to hear from yours?

Governor, please take your big hair to church as often as you like.  Get down on your knees and pray to your God everyday.  Join the choir and sing his praises until the cows come home.   Get it all out of your system so that when you walk into that Capitol building you are a little less inclined to blur the line between religion and politics and force your narrow-minded, black and white version of right and wrong on millions of people who just maybe – maybe – don’t agree with you and your backward ass group of right-wing zealots.

2,700,000 Texans voted for you.  2,100,000 Texans voted for the other guy.    So many important problems to be solved and you decide to divide us even deeper.

Jackass. 

Tomorrow I will make a donation to Planned Parenthood.  I mean it.  Really.

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Responses

  1. very good point, anon!!! But too many of these women use abortion as birth control, and the dems evidently approve of that! Our country is in a very sorry state! No one wants to take responsibility for their actions anymore!

  2. Did it ever occur to any of you that if you don’t want a baby, DON’T HAVE SEX?

  3. EMax, Jean wrote “without oversight and regulation, the process was wide open for abuse.” Thalidimide was not well-tested, and it caused many tragic birth defects.

    My reference has every thing to do with Jean’s topic, and were you as cognizant as the average “Jay Walker” you would know that. Let me know if you want me to explain how I just insulted you.

  4. I think Aunite Jean has a more experience than you want to believe working in that industry. You probably missed the first paragraph of her post or else you have a serious reading problem. I suspect it is mostly the latter.

    I think not. Want to know how I know EdiotMax? This statement.

    More often than not, the best results come from colleges and universities both private and government funded.

    In the last decade, pharmaceutical companies discovered 58% of new drugs, while biotechnology companies came up with 18%. Universities that transferred their discoveries first to biotech­nology companies got credit for 16% of the drugs, and universities that transferred their discover­ies first to pharmaceutical companies were responsible for 8% of the drugs.

    You probably missed 2nd grade math or else you have a serious comprehension problem. I suspect it is mostly the latter.

    Auntie Jean is a bag of hot air – like beehive hair. You must be the missing village idiot assistant at the Kitchen, hmmm :?:

  5. Re:Anonymous on July 24, 2011 at 9:01 AM

    I think Aunite Jean has a more experience than you want to believe working in that industry. You probably missed the first paragraph of her post or else you have a serious reading problem. I suspect it is mostly the latter.

    James: and what the hell does your banal comment – “when a drug slipped through the testing process was “I was a Thalodmide baby. Whats’ you’re excuse?” – have to do with the subject?

  6. True

  7. Reads like Auntie Jean has absolutely no idea how difficult, complicated, expensive, and time consuming it is to introduce a new drug to market. 10-12 years on average from product discovery to mass introduction, and then only a 1/3 generate enough money to cover the development costs of previous failures.

  8. A signature joke at college when a drug slipped through the testing process was “I was a Thalodmide baby. Whats’ you’re excuse?” It was mean and cruel, but college students are immature.

  9. Hi Congenial Gang,

    Having studied it, worked in and been involved in it most of my adult life, I am a strong believer in the benefits of basic scientific research. Society as a whole has and will continue to benefit from the technology derived from such research. Most of the time we are blithely unaware of the multiplicity of such uses we take for granted in our daily lives.

    The dedicated people that plod along working in various fields of research have to be well qualified by virtue of years and years of education and training. More often than not, the best results come from colleges and universities both private and government funded. It should be apparent that these people, from the PhDs, MDs, statisticians, janitors, cleaning ladies, clerical staff, maintenance, technicians, gofers, and all around grunt workers deserve to be paid a living wage for their efforts. Thus, basic scientific research provides jobs, jobs, jobs for hundreds of thousands of people. Grants for continuing research are and have always been hard to come by. It takes money.

    When it comes to medical research, more and more often large multinational corporations have found that in the long run, their basic R&D investments can pay off handsomely when new drugs are introduced into the market. A proprietary drug is one that has a trade name and is protected by a patent. It can be produced and sold only by the company holding the patent. I don’t remember offhand how long patents are legally good for, but it used to be 17 years. At any rate, it’s a very long time before any other company can produce it and sell it as a ‘generic’ drug. In one sense, that’s only fair since it does involve sometimes years of research to discover, develop a drug and recoup the investment in R&D.

    However, like so many other things in life, without oversight and regulation, the process is wide open to abuse, especially when there is a strong profit motive to get a drug on the market as quickly as possible. For example, a company may cut corners everywhere along the line in developing the drug, from skewing the statistical results to fudging on the possible detrimental side effects or even effectiveness. That’s where the FDA and NIH come in, as they should.

    How often do we see TV commercials for drugs for almost every conceivable health problem. And all you have to do is wander around Wal-Mart and check out the price differential between ‘brand name’ over the counter drugs and their ‘generic’ counterparts. The same goes for prescription drugs if you ask your pharmacist.

    Just before the holidays, my ‘boy toy’ of 57 years was diagnosed with a serious and chronic health issue requiring infusions of IVIG at the hospital, five hours a day for five days as an out patient. No, it is not cancer or anything life-threatening but it does involve severe to excruciating pain and is potentially quite debilitating in terms of his mobility. The infusions will probably have to be repeated periodically – – indefinitely.

    This comment is getting pretty lengthy and it’s getting late, so I will pick it up tomorrow night and continue.

    Aloha! Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  10. WOW you are a real idiot. do some real unbiased research.

  11. Some of my distant ancestors are Scandinavian. My wife’s maternal grandmother was on her own when she moved from Sweden to Minnesota when she was sixteen.

    I checked on Sweden during the government health insurance debate. You are right, Sweden is not a socialist country. It is a welfare state. Our leaders should have borrowed from them. The result would have been better than what the Democrats thrust on us.

    Murdock- a noxious weed, cousin to sourdock.

    Milk of Magnesia, A dairy product harvested from Magnesias.

    Gulible-An ocean bird with a high libido.

    Not Mensa quality, but it is the best I could do on short notice.

  12. HI Congenial Gang,

    Mensa Invitational once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are the winners:

    1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.

    2. Ignoranus: A person who’s both stupid and an asshole.

    3. Intaxication : Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.

    4. Reintarnation : Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

    5. Bozone ( n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

    6. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.

    7. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.

    8. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn’t get it.

    9. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

    10. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

    11. Karmageddon: It’s like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it’s like, a serious bummer.

    12. Decafalon (n.): The gruelling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.

    13. Glibido: All talk and no action.

    14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

    15. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you’ve accidentally walked through a spider web.

    16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

    17. Caterpallor ( n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you’re eating.

    These are the winning submissions to its yearly contest, in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words. And the winners are:

    1. Coffee, n. The person upon whom one coughs.

    2. Flabb ergasted, adj. Appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.

    3. Abdicate, v. To give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.

    4. Esplanade, v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.

    5. Willy-nilly, adj. Impotent.

    6. Negligent, adj. Absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.

    7. Lymph, v. To walk with a lisp.

    8. Gargoyle, n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.

    9. Flatulence, n. Emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.

    10. Balderdash, n. A rapidly receding hairline.

    11. Testicle, n. A humorous question on an exam.

    12. Rectitude, n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.

    13. Pokemon, n. A Rastafarian proctologist.

    14. Oyster, n. A person who sprinkles his conversation with yiddishisms.

    15. Frisbeetarianism, n. The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.

    Now you know.

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  13. Hi Congenial Gang,

    We all know what the words “Democracy” and “Constitution” mean, don’t we? Or do we? Different countries around the world have democratic governments with their individual Constitutions tailored to meet the needs of their own people.

    An interesting example is the democratic country of Sweden and her Constitution. Now, you don’t have to take my word for it. You can look it up and read it yourself, in an English translation of course. While you are at it, why not look up the U. S. Constitution and re-read it to compare with Sweden’s.

    The basic premise of Sweden’s democracy is the guarantee to the Right to Free Speech, i.e. to believe, think and say whatever one wishes. This fundamental principle applies to all Swedish citizens, from Neo-Nazis to Anarchists and everyone in between.
    This law of democracy stands or falls on the rights to form a government and the freedom of organization.

    The Parliament established the Freedom of the Press based on the democratic and socially acceptable restrictions as a contract for the framework of a civilized society. Thus, no one has the right to harm, harass or humiliate anyone else.

    However, all democracies have their limits. The regulations regarding the Freedom of the Press expressly forbid four restrictions: 1.The publication of child pornography and/or certain depictions of violent sexual acts. 2. Inciting or exhorting someone to commit a crime. 3. Defamation or slander of another person. 4. The fourth prohibition is to engender the persecution of an ethnic or racial group.

    Here is where it gets sticky. All constitutions and laws are human institutions subject to interpretation. These interpretations are invariably the reflection of personal experience and subjectivity. There is no such thing as pure objectivity in interpersonal relationships. So how does any democracy go about enforcing its laws? A valid question.

    It has been our experience in dealing with the people we worked with and encountered when we have been in Sweden is that they were, with only a few exceptions; reasonable, cheerful, and delightful people with a delicious sense of humor. This applied to all of the Scandinavian countries too. Naturally, Sweden has its share of your garden variety petty and/or notorious criminal elements. That seems to have always been a universal human condition. Still, overall the countries are spotlessly clean and modern with a high standard of living. Beside that, Sweden has a lovely green, wooded landscape. We have never been there personally in the dead of winter, so I can’t say what the country is like year round.

    Like every other country since time immemorial, Sweden has had her growing pains. But over the centuries, gradually since 1814 the Swedish people abandoned their ambitions toward empire building and ruling the world. Instead, they chose to concentrate their efforts and resources on the wellbeing of their own people and getting along nicely with their neighbors. It certainly seems to be working! Sweden is a member of the European Union and the United Nations.

    Oh dear, some people in our country consider Sweden a Socialist country.

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  14. Hi Congenial Gang,

    Apropos to nothing, this is the darnedest contraption I ever saw or heard. I though I would share it with everybody. I find it quite ingenious and intriguing.

    http://youtu.be/KIABTxAAX90

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  15. Hi Congenial Gang,

    Wasn’t it P. T. Barnum who said, “There’s a sucker born every minute?” I ran across this little story I thought was an interesting biography. John Romulus Brinkley (1885-1942) was known as the “King of American Quackery.” After receiving a two-year medical degree from Eclectic Medical University, a Kansas City diploma mill, the not-so-good doctor began practicing in Milford, Kansas. An early scam of his involved injecting patients with distilled water to “increase their vigor.” Later he treated a tired old farmer who asked whether the doctor might consider implanting goat glands into him. Brinkley initially rejected the idea but soon afterward transplanted several undisclosed glands from a Toggenburg goat into the naïve farmer’s scrotum. Two weeks later, the ecstatic man claimed a complete rejuvenation and reportedly even sired a son, whom he aptly named “Billy”.

    This serendipitous event launched Brinkley’s career as a purveyor of goat glands to the weary, for which he charged $750 – cash. That was a lot of money in those days. By 1920 the Brinkley clinic – with its herd of goats penned up in back – was thriving, receiving dozens of patients and thousands of inquiries each day thanks to radio, newspapers and direct-mail advertising. In the meantime he even managed to run two unsuccessful campaigns for governor of Kansas.

    Until Brinkley’s death, these clinics continued to install glands in the gullible, eventually raking in a total of over $12,000,000. As would be expected, far more people either scoffed at his “treatments” or otherwise ignored him, much to his chagrin. They took their medical concerns to reputable sources.

    Which brings us to Barnum/Brinkley/Murdoch. It looks as if Rupert Murdoch’s house of cards empire has taken an initial tumble in the UK. Is Fox News next? Oh well, what does Murdoch care? He has already made his billions, tax-free of course. There are always the Koch brothers to take up the slack.

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  16. Hi Congenial Gang,

    We learned a whole lot more about earthquakes than we ever wanted to know during the 12 years we lived in CA. The entire state is a dense network of earthquake faults that are constantly shifting. In a way, that is a good sign because the small earthquakes takes the pressure off the big San Andreas Fault that can and probably will do major damage sometime in the future. As a result, the state has taken extensive precautions in building codes, regulations and other preparations.

    Speaking of which, the New Madras Fault lies beneath a vast area of Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee and Mississippi. It is a huge one that has been quiet for actually too long. According to USGA data, it is overdue, and when it does happen, the destruction will be devastating.

    We experienced so many little quakes in CA that we became quite blasé about them. We would hear a loud sudden crack and the house would shake. Sometimes I used to go out and check the pool. If the water was sloshing around, it was an earthquake. If not, it was a military jet breaking the sound barrier as it went over.

    We did experience one fairly big one – 5.6. I woke up to the loud sound early in the morning. The house shook and the bed was swaying like a hammock. I was just getting ready to yell at our two teenage boys to knock it off when I glanced at the clock. From time to time they got to roughhousing and bumped into the walls. But at 6:00AM??? As it turned out ‘boy toy’ was in the stall shower and was bracing himself against the tile walls. Afterwards he said he never felt so naked in all his life!

    Later we learned it lasted for about two minutes. That was a
    l-o-n-g two minutes! The epicenter was probably 50-60 miles away from us. There was considerable damage with a number of deaths. Of course, all of the emergency personnel swung into action immediately. Our damage was negligible and not worth mentioning.

    That earthquake happened to fall on our youngest son’s birthday. He was in grade school at the time. The schools were closed until the situation could be assessed. He felt he was so special that they closed all the schools in honor of his birthday!

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  17. Hi Congenial Gang,

    Here’s my “fire” story to entertain you. When we lived in SoCal there were wild fires every season. Like earthquakes, we got kinda used to them on a small scale. Are you familiar with “Föhn or Foehn Wind Conditions”? They are a worldwide weather phenomenon. Roughly, they occur when prevailing winds die down. The Föhn Winds are hot winds that come from the opposite direction. The Santa Ana Winds are a perfect example.

    When ‘boy toy’ was working at JPL, we live on a mesa in the San Gabriel Mountains 500 feet above the Los Angeles Basin in semi-peaceful co-existence with the rattlesnakes. Well, they were there first. Us emigrants came into their habitat and took over. They didn’t like us much.

    Ordinarily we could see the smog lying in the Basin like a brown blanket. But whenever the Santa Ana Winds blew, it cleared out the smog and kept it a bay out over the ocean. Then the skies were clear and beautiful. The down side though was during the wild fire season the Santa Anas whipped up the fires into a frenzy. Twice, we had to evacuate because of oncoming fires.

    We had a loose plan for what we would do in case of evacuation. The first time, we could see the plume of smoke in the sky east of us. ‘boy toy’ was at work. Our older boys were in school. A deputy sheriff came knocking on the door and told me we were under mandatory evacuation and to get out – fast – to the temporary shelter at the high school gym. Our youngest son was 4 at the time. So I got busy loading up the car with a portable safe we had for all our valuable papers, a few clothes and other necessary items to tide us over. The little guy was just as busy making numerous trips to the car with his toys!

    Our neighbor was a good buddy with a couple of pre-schoolers getting ready to go too. We called our husbands, told them what was happening and where to find us. We hung out for most of the day together at the shelter until the officials came in with the all clear. The fire fighters had gotten the fire under control. In the meantime, we took them for a rare treat to lunch at McDonalds and all the kids there had a ball playing with our little guys’ toys. I’m not sure all of the toys made it home.

    We went home, unloaded the cars and about that time the older boys came home from school and wanted to go swimming. I made a pitcher of Sangria and my neighbor and I sat out on the lanai playing Senior Life Guards to a pool full of kids. Then our husbands came home. Here we were on an idyllic late afternoon sipping Sangria with the kids splashing around and having a fine old time in the pool. Fire, what fire???? Then the dads joined the kids in the pool.

    A few years later we had moved to PA. One night we were watching TV and there was a report of a CA wild fire. The news showed a guy up on his roof with a garden hose and smoke billowing all around him. Instantly we recognized him as one of our previous neighbors! As it turned out that time, they weren’t as lucky as we had been. The Santa Anas rapidly swept the flames clear across the mesa and burned 52 homes right to the ground. Fortunately, everyone got out in time and no one was hurt. CA fire fighters and civil defense people are right on their toes and know what they are doing.

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  18. should be PROTECTED……..

  19. Aloha auntie Jean. It is good to “see” you again. I hope things go well for you and your family.
    As for the “Kitchen” unfortunately I no longer subscribe – as nearly ALL the posts are in a protacted page. Some of us have much to add, but aren’t allowed. it is really too bad the owner and some members of that private page are so suspicious. I became frustrated with little to read, and 90% of the comments of folks like you going to a page not accessable. Again, good to read your latest posts. mahalo

  20. Hi Congenial Gang,

    Pictures tell the story better than words.

    http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/07/wildfire_threatens_nuclear_fac.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150225462534103_17179280_10150226122824103#f6831d4ccc4e

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  21. Hi Congenial Gang,

    Pictures tell the story better than words.

    http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/07/wildfire_threatens_nuclear_fac.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150225462534103_17179280_10150226122824103#f6831d4ccc4e

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

  22. Hi Congenial Gang,

    Hi fives, Sistahs Elsie and alaskapi!

    It takes too long to try and post a comment at “72 Virgins………so I moved here.

    Mother Nature is in a snit and on the rampage again, throwing temper tantrums right and left. The Midwest is drowning and the Southwest is burning down. And that’s just in our country. The very lives, homes, livelihoods and jobs of so many Americans are in jeopardy. Unfortunately, there isn’t much new about this.

    When it comes to natural disasters, I have the dubious distinction of having lived through the eye of a Level 5 Hurricane and its aftermath out here; a 5.6 earthquake in CA and having to evacuate twice when the Santa Ana Winds were swiftly blowing a wild fire our way in CA. Several years later the whole mesa where we had lived burned 52 homes and properties to the ground. That’s not counting plenty of blizzards and other garden-variety weather related phenomenon I experienced in CO, MA and PA. That’s what I get for having lived so long!

    On top of that, as my dear ‘Chatty Kitchen’ friends know, I have been coping with two major family health issues for the past 6-8 months. One with my ‘boy toy’. He just completed his third go-round of five days for five hours a day of infusions. The other is with my 89-year-old sister who has been in a nursing home for 6-7 years. I am her legal guardian. She was recently thrown out of Hospice Care because she rallied and is now too healthy!

    It is amazing how resourceful people can be when they have to. But it is also comforting to know there are helping hands along the way too. That’s what family, good friends and trained professionals do best.

    During his career, ‘boy toy’ used to go to Los Alamos, NM frequently. We have a very close friend whose son works for LANL at Los Alamos in the path of that raging fire. We are getting daily reports and updates on it but I won’t go into details. What bothers us most is the nuclear facilities there plus nuclear waste going back decades that nobody knows for sure where they all are. That’s scary! We sure got a tiger by the tail when we started tinkering with nuclear energy, didn’t we.

    This is a very big country with a population in the millions. I think it is folly to expect the national or state leadership, regardless of political affiliation, to drop everything and go hold the hands of the individuals in the middle of their personal crises. Besides, most of the people are too busy hustling, trying to take care of their own affairs to rush off to a photo op, for heaven’s sake.

    For the most part, the various governments are and have been doing the best they can to prepare for disasters of the magnitude we are seeing, often with limited resources. Sitting around moaning and groaning about who did or didn’t do what is non-productive. We need long range planning to meet such situations and I don’t mean bickering over funding for any number of chest thumping, headline grabbing minutiae. I don’t think I have to spell each one of them out for you, do I?

    Progressives get to work and deal with problems. Regressives sit around and whine about the taxpayers money.

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom. Saalam.

    Auntie Jean

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  30. So the real question is, when will the people of Wisconsin take back their government, like the people of Libya are doing?

    I suppose when that happens, perhaps the people of Texas will let Gov. Good Hair know that he’s not that smart, not that helpful, and not that up on American values.

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  32. George Carlin regarding abortion.. and in typical George Carlin style, I give you the LANGUAGE WARNING!

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  34. why not donate to the sexually abused women? For example, it is commonly assumed that rape victims who become pregnant would naturally want abortions. But in the only major study of pregnant rape victims ever done, Dr. Sandra Makhorn found that 75 to 85 percent chose against abortion. This evidence alone should cause people to pause and reflect on the presumption that abortion is wanted or even best for sexual assault victims.
    Several reasons are given for not aborting. First, approximately 70 percent of all women believe abortion is immoral, even though many feel it should be a legal choice for others. Approximately the same percentage believe abortion would be just another act of violence against their bodies and their children.

    Second, some believe that their child’s life may have some intrinsic meaning or purpose which they do not yet understand. This child was brought into their lives by a horrible, repulsive act. But perhaps God, or fate, will use the child for some greater purpose. Good can come from evil.

    Third, victims of assault often become introspective. Their sense of the value of life and respect for others is heightened. They have been victimized, and the thought that they in turn might victimize their own innocent child through abortion is repulsive.

    Fourth, at least a subconscious level, the victim may sense that if she can get through the pregnancy, she will have conquered the rape. By giving birth, she can reclaim some of her lost self-esteem. Giving birth, especially when conception was not desired, is a totally selfless act, a generous act, a display of courage, strength and honor. It is proof that she is better than the rapist. While he was selfish, she can be generous. While he was destroying, she can be nurturing.

    Most abortions in the united states are African American, Hispanic or White teenagers, 47 million abortions happen per year and growing, and your complaining about a sonogram.

    Women cry to be treated equally and they are so strong and independent…. they chose to terminate life because of “how hard it will be” how you didn’t plan for it”
    or some lame reason about how they made a mistake and will end a LIFE because of it. Planned Parenthood will do nothing with a donation, they don’t even are about the women and young girls who walk in. I am sick and tired of abortion being justified for the few rape or incest cases…

  35. The stupid argument of an irrational feminist. The government telling you not to kill an individual (and, whether you agree with it or not, pro-life people believe the fetus is an individual) that is living in your body due to a decision you made is consistent with the limited government belief that the government’s primary responsibility is to protect individuals from violence.

  36. I agree with everything you said. I am a male, and I’m not gay (not that it really matters but to some it does I suppose) and regardless of the fact that I cannot give birth, I believe your body your choice. If we start controlling peoples extremely intimate personal choices (this being a MAJOR one at that) what comes next? Will we have to send in an application for permission to use the bathroom? What else on our bodies will they want to control next? I may only be 19, buri have a lot of life ahead of me, and I don’t want to have to ask permission to do things to/with my body, and I know that women don’t either. It should be anyones business. Now if you have your child, and wait 2 years and decide you dot want it, and kill it, that’s wrong. But when it is inside your womb, living off of your body, as a guest, then you have that choice. Whether someone feels that it is morally correct or not, it isn’t important. It’s their body. Not yours. You are doing something to yourself, you aren’t killing another woman’s baby. That’s pretty much all I have to say. What else do they want to control?

  37. killing children is wrong. killing babies is wrong. abortion is wrong.

  38. Some of these comments would have made an excellent script for an episode of the Bob Newhart show therapy session.

  39. It is always fascinating to see and hear those who will never have to confront one of life’s many issues, give advice about that issue. Whether it is Rick or the Pope, neither can ever expect to be pregnant and have to carry an unborn full term. It is unlikely that either will have to endure being raped and impregnated by a relative or by one who is a less than desirable mate. So, just like those without children who give parenting advice; those who have never served in the military who like to “rattle the national sabres”; and those who do not have to be concerned about financially devasting illnesses, their advice and certainly their governance should be disregarded. Their advice is empty and meaningless and their governance is misguided. As the old saying goes, “they don’t have a dog in the fight.”

    It would be good legislation to give a sonogram and record the heartbeat of some of these faux leaders and faux christians to see if there is a heartbeat, because they never seem to have any compassion or feelings toward anything or anyone unless they are a wealthy contributor to their cause or agenda.

    There should be no concern of secession of the states run by these “blowhards” because their economies are very snugly connected to the federal teat. It’s just a battle cry to whip up the passions of those who want someone to do their thinking for them.

  40. Thank you, Hekate, wonderful post, good reading.

  41. I haven’t been reading your blog for a bit, so it was a bit of good fortune (I think) that I’ve dropped back in at a very opportune time. You go, girlfriend!!! (And I think I may burn a stick or two of incense to the gods and pray that Texas does, in fact, secede…)

  42. Helen, you just promoted one of my favorite organizations, Planned Parenthood.

    They do so much good work in education, physical exams, screening and treatment for STDs, and on and on. Last I heard abortions make up perhaps 5% of their work.

    In the other 95%: They will help with fertility treatments, if that’s what you need (not the whole gamut, obviously, but the basics that are enough for most people). They will prescribe The Pill if that’s what you want. They have classes on “natural” contraception if that’s what you want, because it’s not just Catholics who are leery of The Pill. They teach teens about their bodies, and through peer outreach they help teens to develop strategies for NOT engaging in sexual activity until they are ready, and when they are ready, to be prepared with contraception and protection against STDs that really work.

    As far as I am concerned, they do more to PREVENT abortions than any other organization in this benighted country, thanks to their educational programs and their intelligent and matter-of-fact approach to the subject of fertility and sexuality.

    Margaret Sanger was a public health nurse working in the tenements who was shocked by the incidence of abortion and maternal death from sepsis among the women she treated. Contrary to the lies told about her by forced-birth zealots, she was trying to PREVENT abortions by educating women and men about the means of regulating their fertility — and for this she was jailed under the obscenity laws of the day.

    She is one of my heroes. She was not a saint, let’s make that clear, but heroes usually are not saints. They are courageous beyond what you and I can imagine.

    PP was founded by a courageous woman, and to this day there are courageous people working there — people who have had their lives threatened, who have been stalked, who have had their CHILDREN followed home from school, and some of whom have been injured or even killed in their work.

    Thanks to having good medical coverage most of my life, I have never needed their services for any reason, but after reading Margaret Sanger’s autobiography when I was about 21, I have made a point of donating to them ever since. That’s 42 years, my dears. I even sent a larger-than-usual donation to them for George W. Bush’s birthday after he did something particularly egregious during his presidency — a lot of us did, and I hope he got a card from PP letting him know about all the money he raised.

    The religious wingnuts like to pretend that no one else has a pipeline to God and if we don’t agree with their narrow views we are all damned. Pfft. Thank God we live in America and not Saudi Arabia, but the wingnuts still bear watching because they sometimes talk as though they like that system better. I’m with Thomas Jefferson, who said that it mattered not to him whether his neighbor worshipped 20 gods or no god, so long as he was a good citizen. (I paraphrase Jefferson freely.) The religious wingnuts do not by any means speak for all people of conscience nor all people who worship a divinity by whatever name. They are entitled to their opinions, but that is all.

    In my thealogy, the Goddess is clear: a woman’s fertility is her own business, and women are moral agents with the capacity to make adult decisions and to live with them. Turning that capacity over to the state or to any man is wrong on so many levels: I have known more than one woman who was coerced into having an abortion she didn’t want by her father, husband, or boyfriend. The wingnuts want the state to have that same power on the flip-side, the power to deny an abortion to a pregnant woman who believes that it is necessary. They may take that power, but it is not theirs by right.

  43. Louisiana pushed through a pre-abortion ultrasound. It still makes me shake my head about how someone can think that an invasive transvaginal ultrasound is a good thing to do to a sexual assault victim.

  44. Just donated in Mr. Perry’s name. Baa! ;)

  45. Thanks for the reminder. I made my donation today.

  46. I’m not a sheep, but I like you a lot.

    So, the same party who calls for smaller government calls wants to be so small they fit inside my uterus.

    I guess that makes sense.

    But, I don’t think it really makes sense. I think abortion is really just a wedge issue and these people calling for smaller government so small it fits inside my uterus don’t care about the babies it claims to want to save. They just care about staying in office and their stance on abortion is one way to do that.

    It’s a sad state of hypocrisy.

  47. Thank you, ladies… You are truly beautiful and wonderful for sharing your wisdom..

  48. Well at least it’s good to know the type of projects that require emergency legislation and tax payer’s money. Also handy to know the level of humanity, feelings and reality of life that are acceptable.

    In light of this I have some suggestions for a few more bits of legislation that are essential.

    1) Children who have a parent that commits suicide need to watch an in-coffin video of their mother/father decomposing to show the reality of suicide.

    2) Every Super Bowl there must be 95 people picked out of the crowd at random and killed with 5 convicted felons to understand the reality of how effective predator drones are against “targets of importance”.

    3) Anyone who proclaims the divinity of Jesus needs to be lashed to wood and have metal spikes driven through their extremities to understand and experience the reality of the path that they choose for themselves in life.

    4) If you smoke tobacco then you must submit to a government official puncturing one of your lungs to demonstrate the ultimate consequences of your choice.

    5) If you exceed the mandated Body Mass Index then you must have diabetes induced in your system and carry a state sanctioned weight in order to understand the gravity of your situation.

    For politeness’ sake I’ll rephrase my feelings about Perry and simply say where the heavens do these mobius-feathering do-gooders get off preaching this self righteous diarrhoea and then enshrining it in legislation that ultimately must be enforced at the point of a gun.

  49. Pro-choice guy: I wrote a couple of posts on this topic regarding the neutering of all the males that want to control a woman’s constitutional right – if they cannot reproduce then there will be no question of getting someone pregnant. thus no more issues about controling women. Maybe they will then control themselves. As Robin Williams said in one of his comedy routines….”If men can’t fxxk it, they kill it.” his comment was with regard to males and war.

  50. Can’t believe this is still going on. Perhaps Gov. Perry would like to go back to the days when sex was for procreation only and outlaw any other kind. Then the guys could go to prostitutes (who don’t get monthly medical checks) for relief and bring STD’s back to their wives, and the prostitutes could get back street abortions when needed which would kill off a goodly number of them. How’s that for a solution for all this unbridled sex and unwanted pregnancies. I’ll vote for Perry’s ideas when there is a guarantee for every child born insuring good medical care, daycare and education through a minimum of 20 years. He’s putting the cart before the horse.

  51. Anyone ever notice that the pro-lifers never suggest limiting the reproductive rights of men?

    Imagine how Rick Perry would like the government regulating what he can and can’t do with his crotch.

  52. Why? Well when someone has all the information, according to Perry….

    What, pray tell, does that mean? has all thin information? You think that there is a woman alive that doesn’t know what being pregnant means? Holy cow. What more does a woman need to know? And why do you think that she hasn’t been ripping her heart out over a painful decision like this?

  53. The majority of abortions take place very early in the pregnancy. An embryo’s heartbeat isn’t always detectable at 4 weeks, and sometimes it isn’t heard until well into the fetal stage. Perhaps the Governor should look into the science and biology before he sets up this protocol.

    And what does the Governor propose in such a case? That the woman must return for ultrasounds until the heartbeat is heard loud and clear?

    The ethics of abortion have been debated, and I’m not going to continue that debate here.

    What I want to know is why the Governor has requested taxpayer money to pay for these ultrasounds (and I assume the doctor won’t be working for free), while supporting cutting funds for programs for babies and children and families.

  54. What next? Burkas?

  55. I missed you, Helen. I live in Oklahoma. We already have a sonogram law, and it requires that the doctor describe the image to you (in case you decided you didn’t want to look at the screen). I guess you know it’s being challenged in court and there’s an injunction blocking enforcement right now. I really detest being at the mercy of the Christian right that now controls my government.

  56. I feel confident Phyllis is stating that the last places Gov. Rick Perry would want to be are in your bedroom and especially your uterus.

  57. Great to see you, HoneyJo! We’d love for you to stop by the kitchen some time to catch up!

  58. No, Phyllis. Gov. Perry will require federal aid money to pay for the sonograms, while denouncing health care reform, socialism and government intrusion. The child’s care will be the mother’s problem after birth.

  59. Bravo Helen. Perhaps Gov. Perry would be willing to personally pay for not only the sonograms, but the costs of delivering a chaild and the 18 years of aftercare required. Keep your butt out of my bedroom and my uterus, you idiot!

  60. This is just downright cruel of Perry, especially since many women don’t want abortions, but get them because they are pressured by their men, who claim they are not ready to be fathers. I think it would be only fair that every birth father should be forced to see sonograms and hear heart beats as well. I think that’s the biggest reason why the pro-life movement has failed to overturn Roe v. Wade to date. They refuse to face the fact that it takes TWO to create a life, and it takes TWO to fail to the point where that life ends before it starts in abortion. They are so busy villifying women, they completely ignore a full 50% of the problem. Has anyone ever solved a problem by dealing with only half of it?

  61. Noah, about the only thing you SAID that makes sense is “I am pro choice as I don’t feel the government has any place deciding this issue.” Too bad you don’t walk the walk, instead of just talk the talk. You can’t be pro choice if you think government has the right to interfere in a woman’s decision about her own body.

    I’ve been a monthly giver to Planned Parenthood for years. But Planned Parenthood isn’t enough. Those of us who want to protect a woman’s right to choose (and keeping a baby IS a choice) need to support pro-choice candidates (yes, make it a litmus test), donate to NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League), write and telephone (visit if you can) your member of Congress to tell your story and make sure your voice is heard. Believe me, when the anti-choice forces aren’t assassinating doctors, picketing family planning clinics or working to censor sex education classes, they are out there in force, doing the same things.

  62. I was a 23yr old divorced mother of 2 on welfare going to school ( so I could get OFF welfare). I was dating a fellow student and had 1 night out ( ahh to actually have a date, no kids was wonderful). Oops I got pregnate, since I was not sexually active I was not on birth control and HE said he had a condom. WEll, I was horriably sick, trying to go to school & raise these 2 wonderful children I had…THEY deserved better from me. I made the choice not to have another child while still on welfare and on my own. I have NEVER regretted that decision. Dingbat didnt even want to pay for the abortion, so much for his contribution. It cost me 350.$ and back then I got 302.$ a month for me & 2 kids on welfare. No free fuel programs..we froze during the winters. Oh and I went around to the church during the blizzard of 1978 to see if they could help me with heat..NO. I finally scraped up the money at the end of my 3rd month of pregnancy for my abortion. I watched in a clear jar a almost 4month old fetus and all I saw was blood, no tissue, no little arms..nothing. So dont let those little posters scare you.
    I went on and graduated and was the 1st women computer technician in the company Becton Dickinson where I worked. I eventually married an engineer I met and had 2 more healthy wonderful children. All are grown now and my biggest fear is that my daughters and grandaughters wont have the same option open to them.
    Noone wanted to help with my day to day care of those 2 little kids who were ALLREADY alive. I was looked down on when I used my food stamps. I washed our clothes in a bathtub for 1 full year and dried them on bannisters and string I had hung around the apt. I had no car, I walked everywhere pushing my cheap umbrella stroller with the groceries in it and the 18month old walking haha. My kids didnt know what Mcdonalds was or a movie or a new outfit.
    So Helen My hat is off to you, we have to think about the women and children who are already here and that they have medical and food and a warm place to live before we worry about some tissue that might end up in a jar. Untill there are no homeless children and no FOSTER children I dont think we have a right to tell someone what to do with there child. If your that worried about another life lost then march your butt down to social services and bring a check or take in a foster child…till then you dont have the right to say anything.

  63. welcome cryptoclearance to club sheep

  64. Just made a donation to PP in honor of Rick Perry.
    So instead of funding education and health care they will be doing sonograms on pregnant women who are considering abortion?
    Who will pay for this? the state? Where will the money come from? And how much will it cost?
    Shows you how much they care for children.

  65. >Grow a set and put yourself and your ideas out there for scrutiny and see if they pass muster. <

    ohhhh MALE METAPHOR! DOES THIS MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE THE BIGGEST SHEEP ON THIS BLOG YOU LIKE SO MUCH?
    You getting off on the attention you are getting?

  66. welcome heddey to club sheep

  67. If the governor wants to commit to supporting every child born then let him ask for the sonogram. Problem is, he and every other Republican wash their hands of each child as soon as they are born. They don’t want health care and they don’t want government in education, the economy, the ecology or even the regulations over those who can poison the water and air, collapse our banks and turn people into slaves instead of decently paid employees. Everything that is good for people and best for our country the Republicans are against. And they are the biggest hypocrites ever.

    Once again Helen- you are spot on. Missed your columns- hope you are doing well.

  68. Helen, I donate regularly – as recently as two weeks ago – but will do so again tonight in your honor. I mean it. Really.

  69. You want me to get a sonogram? Send the bill to Gov. Perry. You want me to give birth to a baby I did not want and may have been forced into the sex in the first place? Send the medical and birthing bills to Gov. Perry. You want me to raise this child when I had to stop my own education to give birth? Gov. Perry, wanna help me pay for that?

    Somehow I doubt it. Approximately 25% of Texans are without health insurance (as of 10/2010). Who is going to pay for those required sonograms Gov. Perry? Because I get the feeling it’s not the State.

  70. Get a clue Noah. You were already put in your place. Stay there.

  71. prochoicegrandma please try and up your reading comprehension. You and your kind like Alive and Well like to propagate lies to try and further your arguments. I am pro choice as I don’t feel the government has any place deciding this issue. I am not for abortions however as a personal decision. I do not have a right to impose my beliefs on anyone else. That said someone has to be taking up the rights of the children being aborted and see to it that someone speaks on their behalf and looks out for their best interest. My personal views on this matter does that in my opinion.

    Alive and Well thanks for more imagined donations in my name. If my blogs and get you to keep making those donations maybe we can make a positive change.

    It is really sad no one on this left wing blog has any intellectual honesty. You show all this outrage yet show a complete inability to say why you feel as you do. You do not address any points of merit on those you disagree, rather you just emotionally throw up on them crying foul and all other kinds in insults and profanity. Then sit there on your high horse wondering why no one wants to work with you and your kind. Until you can step up to the adult table and practice civil discourse there is no hope for any of you.

    I don’t hate any of you…even Alive and Well who I find to be hilarious. Grow a set and put yourself and your ideas out there for scrutiny and see if they pass muster. I promise you that you will not die if someone disagrees with you. I promise you that you will survive if someone proves you wrong and I promise you that you will grow as a person taking the time to consider a point of view other than your own. And please by all means prove me wrong in my belief that this is the party of intolerance and hate. To those that do I promise civilized debate. To the rest by all means keep up your pettiness, you do your party and these board moderators proud.

  72. Mageen in addition to my PREVIOUS post about reading Griswold v CT there is another book called Freakonomics. Interssting reading. Since your referral was about prisoners. The authors’ theroy is that Roe v Wade lowered the crime rate.
    check it out. There is also a sequel, Super Freakonomics.

  73. hey M Tucker – be selfless and get nutered also. It won’t take your control of your dick away, but there will be NO issue of your control over ANY woman.

  74. craig – get neutered then there will be no abortion issues with someone you could have impregnated. what a misogynistic asshole you are.

  75. Please notify me when they are new posts. You rock!

  76. Please add me to your list?
    Love this

  77. dang, only meant to post laingirls…sorry, once more to make it easier for others to copy/note and pass along….)

    As the old saying goes, the anti-abortion crowd “Love the fetus, hate the child.”

    By the way, the new anti-abortion bill the Republican house is pushing doesn’t just outlaw governmental money being used for abortions as that is already covered by law. The real propose of the bill is to provide that insurance costs, even those completely paid with private funds (such as those paid by a company and/or its employees, or by individuals), will not be tax deductible. This is their way to make sure employers do not include abortion as a covered medical expense under their insurance plans.

    Great post, Laingirl !!

  78. Pardon, as this REALLY should be repeated and passed along far and wide……

    would dare state that far too many FAIL to have noted the current GOPerited attempt as noted by laingirl on January 25, 2011 at 10:43 AM.. Folks NEED to pass such info along as well so that there can be directed communication with elected reps that overwhelmingly note that the TRUE MAJORITY OF US DO NOT AGREE NOR SUPPORT such an attempt !!
    (be sure to pass the info along and around folks, the MSM is NOT exactly giving due coverage to INFORM the general populace of what IS transpiring in this matter as the present GOP House staffers continue on THEIR way to dismantle so very, VERY much that “THEY” feel to be THEIR primetime duty !! They have configured that if they STARVE all progressive “beasties”, they will be able to configure the proper agenda for the few and discard all others as mere ,acceptable collateral damagee’s .
    As the old saying goes, the anti-abortion crowd “Love the fetus, hate the child.”

    By the way, the new anti-abortion bill the Republican house is pushing doesn’t just outlaw governmental money being used for abortions as that is already covered by law. The real propose of the bill is to provide that insurance costs, even those completely paid with private funds (such as those paid by a company and/or its employees, or by individuals), will not be tax deductible. This is their way to make sure employers do not include abortion as a covered medical expense under their insurance plans.

    Great post, Laingirl.

  79. would dare state that far too many FAIL to have noted the current GOPerited attempt as noted by laingirl on January 25, 2011 at 10:43 AM.. Folks NEED to pass such info along as well so that there can be directed communication with elected reps that overwhelmingly note that the TRUE MAJORITY OF US DO NOT AGREE NOR SUPPORT such an attempt !!
    (be sure to pass the info along and around folks, the MSM is NOT exactly giving due coverage to INFORM the general populace of what IS transpiring in this matter as the present GOP House staffers continue on THEIR way to dismantle so very, VERY much that “THEY” feel to be THEIR primetime duty !! They have configured that if they STARVE all progressive “beasties”, they will be able to configure the proper agenda for the few and discard all others as mere ,acceptable collateral damagee’s .
    As the old saying goes, the anti-abortion crowd “Love the fetus, hate the child.”

    By the way, the new anti-abortion bill the Republican house is pushing doesn’t just outlaw governmental money being used for abortions as that is already covered by law. The real propose of the bill is to provide that insurance costs, even those completely paid with private funds (such as those paid by a company and/or its employees, or by individuals), will not be tax deductible. This is their way to make sure employers do not include abortion as a covered medical expense under their insurance plans.

    Great post, laingirl !!!!

    Noah, rather find your sheeple comments of your contention that OTHERS are but mere ‘sheep” rather laughably self evendent hypocrisy on parade by YOU. You hold a high opinion of YOUR opinion and opine them relentlessly to OTHERS that do NOT exactly concur. You disdainfully reject and attempt to challenge OTHERS giving no actual indication that you actually challenge yourself to comprehend anothers position or point of view as having ANY validity. Are you THAT insecure ? You do come off as such a bit too often FOR sure. Guessing you somehow think you have a warranted stage presence hereabouts ….actually a bit of a whatever if it really is a need you have to blowheartednessings !! (just a hint, many of us have long ago gotten your gist and too, have the ability to scroll/etc and etc,etc…We can glance ,take moments to consider and discount or occasionally give points…doubt you would be impressed whichever way you choose to figure as the tally. You seem to prefer BEING an adversary of one sort or another and LIKE immensely contentiousnous and work hard in that endeavor pretending to figure self superior perhaps but…well, your attempts are a bit boring frankly and YES , indeed many of us OTHERs can be boring as well . Your CONSTANT naggable is that YOU do NOT consider others WORTHY or CAPABLE of conversing with you and your self presumed level /abilities/etc…….frankly, GBO and thensome for a goodly number have indeed shown elsewise and THENSOME but whatever and 1,2,3…scrolling !!!

  80. Noah,
    A majority of South America is Roman Catholic, where it is against their religion to even take birth control pills, if they were even available, and abortion is unthinkable to them because the pointy hat in Rome will cast them into brimstone and fire. But people have sex anyway, and babies are born into abject poverty. I tried to find the special I saw just a few years ago about the street children in South America, millions of them, addicted to sniffing glue because it takes away the hunger pangs. Some were as young as 3 years old. Some are shot like stray dogs. I could not find that particular program offhand, but here is an article that gives you an idea:

    http://www.pangaea.org/street_children/latin/monitor.htm

    “In Latin America, where two-fifths of the earth’s 100 million street children live, inhalant abuse, particularly glue-sniffing, is pandemic; and it is a legal and profitable business for corporations like St. Paul, Minnesota-based H. B. Fuller and the German company Henkel.

    Most Latin American street children, ranging in age from four to 18, have parents who cannot afford to send them to school. So they work on the streets for income–washing car windows, shining shoes, selling food. At night, these children “en la calle” go home to their families. Those with families and homes represent about 60 percent of Latin America’s estimated 40 million street children. For the other 40 percent, or 16 million children, their home is the street. These children have been orphaned or abandoned; some were sent to the city to earn money, others have fled violent or sexually exploitative situations.”

    I do not believe in FORCED BIRTH, which is what you and the anti-choice folks seem to want to enforce upon a girl/woman who becomes pregnant, no matter what their circumstances. I do not want to see our country overtaken by a theocracy who are pro-fetus, but then abandons/neglects/starves the living.

  81. I just found your blog, and have to say this post is dead-on! But I do have one question: Am I the only one who wonders if Governor Hypocrite will take the thank you notes from the donations to PP in his name and use them to claim a tax deduction? It would help keep some money out of the hands of the ‘gummint’, and I doubt he’d see that as a bad thing.

    I’m originally from a locale very close to TX, but moved to a far more civilized state over a decade ago. I have to say I don’t miss the constant, forceful intrusion of religion into politics, law and women’s health care! (Not to say it doesn’t exist here, but it’s MUCH less.)

  82. … And I need to get my dyslexic typing fingers under control!
    :)

  83. Three more $100 donations will be made to Planned Parenthood on your behalf, Noah. I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist typing more snarky comments. Hey, I’ve got a great idea! The next time you start to make another comment here, Noah, take a moment to think of all your beloved fetuses. Then take a moment to think of that good, old and famous Queen song, Another One Bites the Dust, before you decide to actually place your comments herein. My donations to Planned Parenthood, Noah, will continue with every comment you post.

    Lest anyone think I’m truly crass, I’d like to pass along a link to a very thoughtful article on the topic of abortion. I highly recommend it. I can’t vouch for the veracity of its authorship, but nevertheless I feel that many valid points are articulated by the writer with wisdom, insightfulness and sensitivity. Rick Perry should read this — Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann too — but according to my sources, comprehension of the written word is sometimes most difficult for those who’ve been virtually lobotomized by religion. That’s why preachers are so popular within religious circles. Come to think of it, stupid people are the bread and butter of all the big and famous televangelists around the world. Thye’re the bread and butter of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, too, but that’s another topic altogether now then, isn’t it?! Without further ado, here’s the link: http://0.gp/c5m

    Oh, I almost forgot…learn to spell, Noah.

  84. Sorry Don, not going anywhere thanks for encouraging me to stay though. I will redouble my efforts. Any sheep want to take a crack at a statement with some substance?

  85. Noah, get your own blog. Stop trying to ride on Helen’s success.

  86. Helen,
    Thank you again for a very thoughtful post. You’ve given me a course of action to take which I hadn’t thought of. I will also donate as often as possible to Planned Parenthood in that asshole’s name and in the names of the asshole Senators and Representatives in my state who oppose a woman’s right to choose.
    Thank you for helping me to make a difference for someone.

  87. Anonymous, could you link me the video of the children that are homeless and in prison because they were not aborted. You seem to have proof there is a direct link so I am only interested in seeing those children that you can conclusively show were made homeless or put in prison because they were not killed as a fetus. thanks in advance.

  88. Alive and Well thanks for the imagined donations in my name…im sure the money will do a lot of good. It is a shame however with all that money that you we not able to pay for an education to articulate any kind of an argument with any merit.

    In my part of the world it takes two to create a child. That tells me that two people have an opinion in the matter. Also just because some suggest that a person be informed before making a choice to end a life doesn’t mean anyone is taking control. No one is saying you can’t have that abortion. I am also not saying the man has the final say, just A say. Some of you are boarder line psycho on this topic and read a lot into what others are saying. It is intellectually dishonest and only shows you are unable to argue based on facts and what was actually said.

    I am once again amazed but not surprised that not one of you are able to do anything but emotionally throw up all over this board. You don’t like what I said, great what didn’t you like? Don’t think my opinion is valid, great, what part are you taking issue with?

    Travesty— my intent was only to state my opinion. I see no facts that need to be presented.What facts do you feel I needed to cover while giving my opinion on this topic?

    Mikat, you make a lot of assumptions in your argument. It is a common tactic used against the Republican party to insite hate. To assume you know what someone is thinking just because of their political affiliation almost negated your argument on its own, but unlike most of the other posters I won’t take that easy path.

    You will find there are many people who do not have situational ethics. For those of us who do not we tend to believe what is right or wrong is that way regardless of the situation that is at hand. Rape is always wrong no matter the reason for it. Murder is always wrong regardless of the reason for it. Just because a new life can bring some hardships on those adults who made the choice to create life doesn’t change what is right or wrong, at least not if your ethical and moral. I am sorry if you consider these babies as inconvenient, wrong is wrong. It sounds like to me that you want to have these unborn children aborted to make your lives easier, and I find that morally reprehensible.

  89. This infuriates me. Not Rick Perry, but you Margaret and Helen. Tell me how abortion isn’t murder? Birth should be selfless. Not selfish. Abortion is taking someones life. You don’t own the baby you’re about to kill. It’s a freaking human being, okay.

    My heart hurts.

  90. It isn’t about the money, but talking about the cost of these ultrasounds is talking Republican language. When it suits them I guess.

    The argument that a woman should have to see her baby’s face before she has an abortion is a powerful emotional one! However, generally speaking, at the stages of pregnancy where abortion is legal there isn’t a discernible face on the ultrasound. Should she also view videos of children who are homeless, abused, profoundly disabled or in prison before she has a baby she doesn’t want? Should a woman whose unborn baby doesn’t have a brain have to view the death of babies born without a brain before choosing?

    Fortunately, we live in a country where women who view abortion as murder are not required to have them. Praise the Lord!

  91. Praise the Lord and pass the applesauce, Helen is back !!! I have been checking everyday and hoping that you were ok.

    The Teabagging Republican Party is beyond the pale with this issue and all others. It is ALWAYS men who think they know about female body issues. Unless you have had the operation and now rock female reproductive parts, shut the hell up, Gov !!!!

    Amazing that bagging Rpubs LOVE the fetus but hate the child. Why ?? Once the child is born you have cut many programs, including how this reproducing works–called sex education, children’s healthcare to name just two. If you want all these babies then pay for them you jackholes !!!!!

    No one is FOR abortion, but the right to choose is not an issue for men to think they can decide. I am ok with women being against it unless they are the crowd who love the fetus and hate the child. This is a free country, for now, and Repubs need to shut their pieholes, quit rehashing and do something for this country.

    And, in no bloody way are these Repubs responsible for the slight rebounding of the economy. This began when the Repubs were defeated in 2008. They voted AGAINST the Trap, the stimulus, banking restrictions and all other legislation to help get the economy and middle class going agin. You are liars, pure and simple. You think by putting out the same lies, 24/7/365 people will believe it. We are getting smarter and more and more people understand what liars the Repubs are. And for goshsakes………VOTE in the next election Dems and Independants. It is a no brainer. Not voting has resulted in The Orange Man being in charge in the senate and who wants that?? The Repubs just added billions to the national debt when they hijacked the extention of unemployment benefits with the stipulation that the extention of the damn Bush tax cuts for the wealthy be part of the deal.
    Their repeal in the House of healthcare means they want to increase taxes to small businesses. They work for no one but David and Charles Koch and other huge corporation owners, plus now they owe their souls to communist China and other hostile countries because of the Supreme Court decision allowing any business from any country to buy our politicians. Any country can and will donate to the Repubs because they see themselves controlling the politicians. Repubs are the puppets of the wealthy, big business and foreign dictatorships.

    So glad you’re back, Helen !!!!

  92. As the old saying goes, the anti-abortion crowd “Love the fetus, hate the child.”

    By the way, the new anti-abortion bill the Republican house is pushing doesn’t just outlaw governmental money being used for abortions as that is already covered by law. The real propose of the bill is to provide that insurance costs, even those completely paid with private funds (such as those paid by a company and/or its employees, or by individuals), will not be tax deductible. This is their way to make sure employers do not include abortion as a covered medical expense under their insurance plans.

    Great post, Helen.

  93. Mikat, good post! The toughest outreach anyone can do is prison ministry. What you hear all too often from prisoners in general is “I wish I had never been born. I wish I had been aborted.” In sum, the only thing worse than having an unwanted baby is being one. Would you believe it is next to impossible to hold together any outreach group on prison ministry? The reality of of the unwanted in those circumstances can really blow your mind.

  94. Great, Stef – so, are you going to pick up the tab for all those sonograms? Is this you stepping up to the plate to adopt or donate the money needed to raise these unwanted children? If not, STFU.

  95. I hope Margaret is well…

  96. Why is it so outrageous to expect women who are about to commit murder to see the face / the life of the one they about to take. If a woman cannot handle aborting a baby after seeing a sonogram, then they just made a fully informed decision. If they have made peace about the abortion, then a sonogram should make no difference.

  97. I have to agree, we have covered this “subject” many times. How ever I am going to come at it from a slightly different angle. You see, all those “christians” want these precious babies to be born. They don’t stop to think beyond that. Babies are cute and adorable and so cuddly. They are completely dependant for many years on a parent(s). They require food and clothing and doctors and education and other “basics”. That the good Christians of this country do not want to provide because it may cost them a few extra pennies each month. Then one day all these precious babies become adults who need jobs and housing and healthcare. You see, there is no country in this very small world that can provide healthcare, jobs, housing and FOOD to a population that increases 100% worldwide. Throw in the fact that a large percent of these grown up “babies” will have been raised by people who are uneducated, poor, angry, acoholic, abusive, criminal or mentally unstable or just plain do not want them. The chances of these kids growing up to be criminals are pretty good. The chances of more and more people needing welfare and foodstamps grows as well. It all comes back to the all mighty dollar. Christians and old white men HATE when the government takes their money and spends it on the “undeserving”. Look at the big picture people! Oh, I forgot, a large percent of those adorable babies will be “non white”…. The horror!!! Abortion is generally the last resort for women. It is never taken lightly and I dare say that there are very few women that don’t understand the serious decision they have to make. Keep it legal and keep it safe.

  98. Thank you for your post, Helen. Yes, big government bad, except when the Republicans run it, and THEY want to be in our bodies. Ugh.

  99. Great post, as usual, Helen!

    Noah, really? You are sad.
    Go out and get a life. Try.

  100. Noah. You are a weak person. You stated no facts just opinion and you are guilty of doing what you claim Helen and her sheep have done. You really need not be so proud of yourself as it makes you look even more the fool.

  101. Four more (so far) donations to Planned Parenthood will be made by me today in honor of Noah. My money isn’t imagined, Noah. It was earned and invested very well over a period of many decades. The intelligence level of my conversation far supersedes that of yours, Noah, so bite me and then go blow yourself. You disgust me and every other woman with even half a brain.

    N is for “nitwit”
    O is for “out of touch”
    A is for “asshole”
    H is for “hapless”

    Peace and love to everyone except Noah who really should go “articulate” himself right now (and then get that sorely-needed education in sciences and humanities).

    PS: Rick Perry needs a mandatory sex-change operation. Today. I mean it. Really!

  102. Helen, you are spot on, every time! I LOVE your posts.

    I have not read all the comments yet, but Mary Ann Bleich above had a brilliant comment:
    “So the doctor is donating the ultrasound? The Republicans? The pro life groups? The taxpayer? Heavens! The indigent patient?”

    The Republicans make a big fuss about health care, and those “death panels”, supposedly costing so dang much money! But they want to make doubly and triply sure that no taxpayer money will fund abortions. Even though the Hyde Amendment is in full force & effect, they had President Obama sign another promise to the same effect. Redundant. Why didn’t President Obama just tell them to go read the Hyde Amendment and eff off? But I digress…

    Where would Rick Perry even find the funds to pay for his ignorant misogynistic proposal for these sonograms and heartbeat recordings, eh? Wasn’t there a bit of controversy about the renovation of the Governor’s Mansion? Can I object to taxpayer money being spent on sonograms because it is based on his religious beliefs? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t work that way. It’s only ok if you are a Republican.

    Sending my donation to Planned Parenthood with a big FU to Rick Perry!

  103. [...] requiring women seeking an abortion to see a sonogram of the fetus and listen to the heartbeat.  Helen Philpot doesn’t like the idea.  I thought Perry didn’t like the government getting into people’s personal [...]

  104. The day a man gets pregnant, that’s the day he can decide on abortion rights!

  105. hey Noah you ignorant control freak. YOU’LL never be pregnant and NO you have no say in it. The generalizations bullshit just doesn’t cut it. this should really get you going. Keep posting. We’ll keep laughing!

  106. again address any of the points I made directly if you have the fortitude to do so. Generalizations made by cryptoclearance and others just shows how weak your argument is. Nuff said.

  107. Aloha auntie! glad to “see” you! much wisdom, as usual.
    As for the ignorant Noah – you’ll never be pregnant, and you have NO say in the matter for *any woman. Still trolling, huh? articulate that.

  108. Hi Congenial Gang,

    Once again the abortion issue has been brought forth here at M&H’s. How many times is this over the past few years? The reactions in the comments above are about the same as always – a hot button issue with emotions running high. And of course, since it involves sex, it brings out the immature and curious kids who really should be doing their homework instead of playing with grown-up blogs on the computer.

    My idealistic feelings are that every child should be wanted, cherished, fed, clothed, loved, educated and given the opportunity to realize his/her potential. That is idealism. Then there is reality. Whether we want to face it or or not, there is a side of life in any society that is not always so rosy. So what are the options in such cases? To be judgemental? To have control freaks in a position of power heap guilt and fear upon girls and women who find themselves in terrifying circumstances?

    I believe that Planned Parenthood provides a vital service in educating not only the female of the species on what those options are from a medical, scientific, spiritual and psychological perspective that is rational – and legal. The masculine members of the species could take a little time to educate themselves regarding responsible and respectful behavior for themselves as well as the feminine members in their lives.

    I have essentially said all this before here at M&H’s, so enough already.

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom.

    Auntie Jean

  109. and fyi…i happen to have no issues with planned parenthood…please feel free to donate your imagined fortunes to them.

  110. well whatever it is you are Alive and Well and what you did to earn your money it sure wasn’t through intelligent conversation.

  111. I hereby declare to donate to Planned Parenthood on behalf of Noah. Open your mouth again, Noah: I’ll donate again in your name. ‘Tis the season for giving. Every time you open that vile hole of filth you call a mouth, Noah, I’ll donate again in your name. You see, Noah, I have money and lots of it…more than you can ever hope to even imagine owning let alone give away. I mean it. Don’t tempt me to bury you in packets of 100 dollar bills sent off to Planned Parenthood. Your words really do have consequences this time around babycakes!

    Fantastic post, Helen! The truth shall set us free and as long as you can speak it, I support you. Reproductive freedom is a fundamantal human right. Anyone who believes otherwise is just plain wrong.

    To Noah and friends: frankly my dears you can just go “articulate” yourselves already.

    To the rest of you: Peace and Love ’til next time!

    I’m off to start making donations.

  112. Glad you are back – I was worrying about the quiet here.
    The FATHERS should be looking at the sonograms and getting their damn act together.
    A pox on Noah.

  113. Great post, as always, Helen.
    Now for all those white males who “oppose” abortion. Women don’t give a shit what you think or want. Get neutred and then there will be no question of you getting someone pregnant then trying to control her.
    Why the hell should ANY man be involved???? And it is NO business of the government. Boehner is another fxxxxxg asshole who also needs to be neutered.
    BTW folks and those who would like to have control over women, check out Griswold v CT. It is the law.
    And while I am at it, what is all this religious shit? And the “Christian” ranting. Follow your own religious belifs but do not insult those who are of a different religion or aren’t interested in the religion angle. After all this is a country that guarantees freedom of religion or freedom of no religion.

  114. hey perky, BLOW YOU? well, then YOU won’t get anyone pregnant.

  115. Helen, you are spot on, every time! I LOVE your posts.

    I have not read all the comments yet, but Mary Ann Bleich above had a brilliant comment:
    “So the doctor is donating the ultrasound? The Republicans? The pro life groups? The taxpayer? Heavens! The indigent patient?”

    The Republicans make a big fuss about health care, and those “death panels”, supposedly costing so dang much money! But they want to make doubly and triply sure that no taxpayer money will fund abortions. Even though the Hyde Amendment is in full force & effect, they had President Obama sign another promise to the same effect. Redundant. Why didn’t President Obama just tell them to go read the Hyde Amendment and fuck off? But I digress…

    Where would Rick Perry even find the funds to pay for his ignorant misogynistic proposal for these sonograms and heartbeat recordings, eh? Wasn’t there a bit of controversy about the renovation of the Governor’s Mansion? Can I object to taxpayer money being spent on sonograms because it is based on his religious beliefs? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t work that way. It’s only ok if you are a Republican.

    Sending my donation to Planned Parenthood with a big FU to Rick Perry!

  116. the check is in the mail…tomorrow. Great suggestion. Love your attitude. Love your mind. And since you agree with me…love your politics.

  117. It made my day to see you posted again! Don’t keep us waiting so long next time. We lost Keith Oberman, so lets hope we never lose the great progressive voices of Margaret and Helen!

  118. Maybe it’s here on the blog, but is it just me wondering if anyone notices the irony that the Texas governor is concerned about life. Texas, where guns abound, and the government there makes it easier than most states to get more. I’m just saying…….

  119. violet, i gave my opinion. I am not trying to impose anything on anyone else unlike you and this boards hosts. If you are able to articulate a complete thought and show what is wrong with anything i said rather than broad generalizations to make yourself feel better please feel free.

  120. I will make a donation as well. I missed your wit and wisdom! Thanks for writing a bit for us :O)

  121. Who know more Noah? The man with an opinion on what women need to make decisions about their bodies or me – a woman who has been there? Who are you following? I am happy to be a Helen sheep. You, on the other hand, are a pig.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Then again, you never do.

  122. Noah,

    You are clueless.

  123. Meribeth, no one here thinks abortion is a laughing matter. What “humor” appears on this page regarding this subject is more ironic than comedic. You really need to learn the difference.
    Planned Parenthood is more than a place where women can have access to affordable, SAFE abortions. Hint: the key word is PLANNED.

  124. and the sheep speak!…called it

  125. Go, Helen, Go!!!

  126. Helen, just brilliant!
    Noah, just an asshat.

  127. Too bad Noah wasn’t aborted. Just saying.

  128. Hold onto to yor hats folks. Everytime Helen posts about this subject old, white men from across the nation begin to chime in about protecting their unborn children. Maybe if they spent less time looking at porn on-line they wouldn’t have to worry about unborn children. God I hate the moral wackjobs who think that Government should be in our bedrooms and in our wombs but can’t stand the thougth of helathcare for all.

  129. Noah, you are a horse’s ass.

  130. It is so clear to me now, I am amazed it took me so long to figure it out. I was always astounded how so many of the posters on here are so inept at formulating the most basic argument without having to resort to personally attacking someone. Helen’s post has opened my eyes as to why that is. As the co-ring leader of this page she is leading the way and her sheep are following her example. Helen, you are what is wrong with our country. Your bigoted and ignorant way of thinking breeds hate and intolerance. We all have different ideas and things we believe in. That doesn’t make them automatically wrong, just different. I urge you Helen to find it within yourself to stop this hate mongering and consider the damage you do to those who you seem to influence so profoundly. My faith teaches me that there is a special place reserved for people like you who try and spread the message of hate and intolerance as you do.

    That said, Governor Rick Perry has a belief and a point of view that differs from my own. I understand where he is coming from and I can respect that without attacking the man personally. Matter of fact I respect him for sticking to his beliefs and acting accordingly.

    My personal beliefs are as follows. Both the mother and the baby have rights. The hard part is drawing the line as to where the baby’s rights trump the mothers rights. My personal belief is that I draw the line for life as I do with death. A person is considered legally dead when all brain activity stops. Conversely I believe life begins when we can measure brain activity in the fetus. My current understanding is that we can measure neurons firing is in the 3rd month. With very few exceptions a woman can discover she is pregnant by this time and make a choice as to keep or abort the pregnancy. Now I understand people will come up with a 101 special circumstances that might warrant special consideration but this is just a broad definition that would define the typical pregnancy.

    With my wife being almost 7 months pregnant this subject really touches home for me so I can understand the passionate feelings from both sides of the issue. Having gone to the first ultrasound I could never have made a choice to abort the child for any reason. I can understand why the governor wants to have women have that firsthand experience of hearing that heartbeat, it is very powerful. I guess I don’t see a problem if what he is suggesting isn’t stopping all abortions, which he is not and I would be opposed to if he was.

    In all cases in my opinion we should make our choices fully informed on the facts. I sense most of the objections are because many of you feel that this information might change a person’s mind. We are talking about ending a life here people. This should never be done lightheartedly and always having considered every possible option. I want a person to consider adoption, abortion, keeping the child. I want to person to hear the heartbeat they are about to decide to stop. If at the end of the day when all the facts are weighed, the person or persons decides to abort, so be it. But to fight to keep that person ignorant to me is morally questionable.

  131. Maribeth. I don’t understand. I believe our hosts have taken this very seriously. It is Perry and zealots (like you?) who minimize it. Do you think a sonogram forces a woman to take something this serious even more seriously? No. It forces women in their darkest hour to be subject to humiliation by a man who only has the power to humilaite them simply because he is Governor. What an abuse of power. Rick Perry should be ashmaed of himself and I deeply regret having voted for him.

  132. Meribeth. I believe our hosts have made it serious. You onthe other hand can blow me.

    To suggest that a woman should be forced into pregnancy simply because she is poor… shame on you. Blow me twice.

  133. sorry, folks. I don’t agree with much of anything that’s been posted here.

    I understand that abortion is legal. But I view it as a loss when it happens–just as I view a miscarriage as a loss. I sure don’t agree with the sort of sentiment expressed by kimwim (if that is remotely how he/she feels as opposed to just being a truly tasteless pimp)–that’s offensive. And I guess I don’t think it’s a subject for humor, so I’m disappointed with the hosts for making it one.

    You lost me on this one.

  134. I support that mission!

  135. I donate every check to PP through CT’s Campaign for Charitable Giving . And when I win powerball I will be funding as many abortions for as many abortions who can not afford one on their own. It is a mission of mine.

  136. Great post Helen!

    Michelle at 10:29, I think there is something wrong with the link you have posted. Maybe it is just my computer. My husband has been trying to see if he can fix it. He’s been working on it for about an hour!

  137. GOD WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN, HELEN PHILPOT!

  138. Hi Helen and Congenial Gang,

    Dear, dear Helen, I am sooooo glad and relieved to see another post from you, up and at ‘em in your suscinct, imitable style. It had gotten really, really boring around here. I do concur with your every word. Now, if you can just get Margaret to pitch in too, this blog will be up and running again with nothing to stop it.

    I am also happy that I don’t happen to be living in Texas right now with such a jackass for a governor. But with you and the help of your fans, maybe that can be fixed next time an election rolls around.

    Aloha! :-) Namaste. Shalom.

    Jean

  139. Perverse, isn’t it? The party that wants government out, out, OUT of their lives is wanting in, of all places, my PRIVATES!!
    Message to all Republicans, I’ll manage my own Fine China, thank you.

    Proud 20+ year member of both NARAL and Planned Parenthood!! whoo hoo!!

    Thanks for another sharp witted post, Helen!!

  140. Helen you have really been missed! My computer just grumbled too much about the lengthy posts. You are so right about every thing you wrote. AS a friend said many many years ago the object is to keep us barefoot and pregnant. Maybe that is why most of the leading lights of the abortion issue are males. If these idiots want all of this, when they propose plans to see that all children from birth on are covered by health insurance, properly housed,clothed, and fed, then I might pay more attention to them
    To see you put up a new post is a wonderful way to start a new week!

  141. Bwhahahahahahah My secret plan has worked!!!

  142. Thank you Helen. Thanks also to all of you who regularly donate to Planned Parenthood. I just donated a little bit ago, myself.

    I’d also like to pose a question to all those that think life begins at conception. What would you have done with my molar pregnancy? Would you have allowed the D&C to remove the fertilized egg that was never going to become a viable fetus?

    Abortion is a decision for a woman to make based on sound medical advice, her faith, and her circumstances. It is not one to be taken lightly, nor one that people not knowledgeable about the particulars of that pregnancy should interject themselves in. If you don’t want big government in healthcare, then you don’t get to decide what treatment I get.

  143. michelle, if you have to make shit up to prove your point then you really don’t have a point. we’ve seen your post before. Always the same shit but with a different name and slightly different facts to fit the current situation. liar, liar pants on fire…

    donations monthly. happy to do so.

  144. ::Standing ovation::

  145. Silly me….didn’t read many comments before posting mine. Now I see others also mention donationg “on behalf of” Rick Perry.

    What can I say….great minds, LOL
    :)

  146. [...] Make a donation to Planned Parenthood I told you, Margaret.  It’s only just beginning. [...]

  147. Thank you Helen! I am glad to see this post here today, and couldn’t agree more!

    Under their Donations tab, there is an option to “make this gift in honor of” whoever we want? And “Send acknowledgements to:”…..I’m thinking maybe fill in that part with Rick Perry’s info.

  148. Goodbye_Natalie –

    “And you will help pay for it! What a fine legacy you will leave your family.”

    And so will I. I was there before abortion was legal and safe and I am proud to say that I helped to make it so. My donations to PP are frequent and generous, and at my death a much larger amount will go to them.

    The ones I am most disappointed in are the young American women, whom banning abortion would affect the most. They are just sitting on their hands, blissfully unaware that it could EVER be banned again.

    Take it from me honey, it can.

  149. I could not agree more!!!!!

  150. Anon –

    I’m on your side basically, but some parts of your ideas seem unreasonable to me:

    “I would like to see a law where any if male betweent the ages of 16 and death, impregnates a woman that he is not married to gets charged with a felony.”

    Actually, he doesn’t “impregnate” her – that’s just an expression. Oversimplifying, he basically mixes his haploid chromosomes with hers – well, that’s not right either. They mix them together, voluntarily, unless he rapes her or she rapes him; then there’s your felony!

    “Have as much sex as you want and with who you want, but if you get someone pregnant who is not your wife, or you have committed a very serious crime. It takes two to get pregnant and burden contraception, pregnancy and child rearing shouldn’t fall solely on a woman because a man is too lazy to practice responsible sexual behavior.”

    It seems to me that you have contradicted yourself there – you first said “you get someone pregnant” and then “it takes two to get pregnant.” Can you explain?

    “It should be the man’s responsibablity to prevent a pregnancy not a womans.”

    Why?

    “He is the one with the magic potion”

    Why thank you! I keep telling my wife I just want to give her my magic potion, but she just doesn’t listen! (The problem may be *where* I want to give it to her, although I could be wrong.)

    “required to get a woman pregnant and he needs to be responsible when it is released. There are several birth control devices for men. Condoms, clamps for the vas deferens, vasectomies and reversible vasectomies. There is really is no excuse for there not being a law for this.”

    There *is* a law for this. It is called the Constitution of the United States of America. See Amendment XIV, equal protection under the law. It says you may not have one law for men and one for women for the same crime. IANAL, but there may be some lawyers on this forum; if so, please feel free to chip in with a better explanation.

    “Again I am not preaching celibacy, I am preaching responsible sexual behavior!!!!!”

    Sure am glad of that. You had me worried there for a minute…

  151. Good to see a new post, Helen. Hope all is well in your world.

    Perry must be invested in the sonogram industry. Much like Chertoff and the airport scanners. I am just grateful abortions declining anually. That until the economy tanked. Now economics is driving some of these. Too bad the GOP doesn’t have any real solutions. It is more their style to usurp the rights of women.

    As a pro-life believer, I feel they should concentrate their efforts on ramping down the war industry. That by far does more damage to the living than the abortion industry. Education and birth control vs. ignorance and abstinence.

  152. If Gov. Perry is so damn pro-life, why doesn’t he work to repeal the Texas death penalty?

  153. Congratulations Helen! How about we slaughter, scald, or dismember another 50MM infants all legally the next 40 years! Hooray!

    And you will help pay for it! What a fine legacy you will leave your family.

  154. Helen, you are so awesome.

    It is a woman’s right to choose and the choice is on her head and not yours Gov. Perry. Even if you think it is a sin – let it be her sin or not. Your sin is that you claim to know what God thinks of the idea. You don’t. Even if you think it is wrong, you do not know what God really thinks in each and every situation. Play with our taxes but not with our morals.

  155. So glad you are back! And thank you for reminding me to donate. NARAL and PP just heard from me.

  156. made my donation.
    thanks

  157. If I could shout this whole post outloud, I would, to anyone that would listen.

  158. “Keep the government out of our healthcare! Unless we need to do some slut-shaming.”

    One wonders why government involvement in healthcare is on the one hand an unbearable socialist intervention, but on the other, absolutely necessary because those dumb broads don’t know what they’re doing. I’m sure the added expense and time to perform the sonogram and record the heartbeat are considered features, not bugs. All the better to deter you, my dear, and save you from yourself.

  159. Great post!!!! THANK YOU!!!

  160. I could not agree more!

  161. I already contribute monthly to Planned Parenthood and have so for years. I actually chose to have my third child after talking to a counselor at Planned Parenthood in 1975. I was 39 at the time and figured I was too old. She was really wonderful, and told me her mother had had her at age 45 and she turned out fine. I made the CHOICE to have that child. I completely support the right of a woman to have the opportunity to make that choice– whatever her choice may be. I remember in the 50’s when girls went to have a D & C ” to help with their periods”. (dilation and curetage or those of you not in the know.) We all knew why. We don’t need to go back to the dark ages. Remember, abortion is a choice, and sometimes a wrenching one, but it IS a choice and needs to remain so, SAFELY.

  162. You go, girl. Can that whole *going viral* thing-y be done? (Sorry, I’m all but computer illiterate.)

  163. I would like to see a law where any if male betweent the ages of 16 and death, impregnates a woman that he is not married to gets charged with a felony. Have as much sex as you want and with who you want, but if you get someone pregnant who is not your wife, or you have committed a very serious crime. It takes two to get pregnant and burden contraception, pregnancy and child rearing shouldn’t fall solely on a woman because a man is too lazy to practice responsible sexual behavior. It should be the man’s responsibablity to prevent a pregnancy not a womans. He is the one with the magic potion required to get a woman pregnant and he needs to be responsible when it is released. There are several birth control devices for men. Condoms, clamps for the vas deferens, vasectomies and reversible vasectomies. There is really is no excuse for there not being a law for this. Again I am not preaching celibacy, I am preaching responsible sexual behavior!!!!!

  164. I am SO GLAD YOU ARE BACK! ‘Nuff said.

  165. Pat, Planned Parenthood is partially federally funded. By law, I don’t think those funds can be allocated for abortion services, though.

  166. Dear Helen, You are spot on as usual! I was very worried that something had happened to you. “Live long and prosper…”

    HillelKitty – The charges against that (un-Dr.)Gosnell’s clinic are certainly getting on-going play in this area. I wonder if it’s going to be followed up by some sort of legislation in this state, PA. I wouldn’t put anything past the “Repugnants”. There’s plenty of good comments above regarding a woman’s right to her own body. Oh, let’s not forget what that terrible Sharron Angle had to say about the subject, either. Sorry, I’m frothing at the mouth. I’ll be hearing plenty from my friends in TX about this outrage, too. Great idea about donations to PP.

  167. Helen, thank you for your wisdom. Planned Parenthood offers one alternative, while there are other organizations that offer other alternatives – at least one uses sonograms, but they are funded by private donations. Both sides have their own agendas. But none of them are funded by the government. I am glad that women have options available to them.

    The one thing that shouldn’t happen is for the state or federal government to be involved in any way except keeping the illegal abortions from happening. There is no reason we should return to the dark ages when women sought abortions in dirty back alley rooms. Some survived, some did not. Some were left sterile. And there was no one who could help them with the emotional trauma.

    The piece that is always missing when they start talking about taking away a woman’s right to choose is the concern and care for the woman, physically and emotionally. Deciding to have an abortion is a traumatic and wrenching decision, one that most women don’t make lightly. The decision to have a baby or not is one that stays with a woman the rest of her life. The last thing she needs is to have some man (or woman, in the case of Christina R above) telling her what she should do. And even worse are the people who assume they know what is in the heart of someone else, and set themselves up as a religious judge and jury.

    Concern for life should apply to a person’s whole life, not just the beginning. Once that child is born, he will need health care and education – those are the very things the republicans want to cut first. They don’t care about the lives of those who already have been born.

  168. Go Helen!!

    My only criticism is that you’re not around more often! If you and Margaret blog more often, I promise I’ll make you pie.

  169. Helen, you get a resounding “AMEN!” from this pro-choice, card-carrying Catholic.

  170. Welcome back, Helen. I love yew!

  171. I pray for people like Christina R, who doesn’t seem to be aware that she’s nothing like Jesus, and missed the lesson on ‘judge not.’ Christina, if you’re sincere in your beliefs and not just a troll, please consider your role in winning souls for Christ. Your methods may not be helping your case.

  172. Correct and to the point!

  173. Thanks Helen! Good to read your spot on post. I am wondering along with many here, who will cover the cost of the sonograms? I thought government and healthcare did not mix?

  174. Thank you Helen and I will indeed make a donation .
    My body–my choice

  175. Christina R. bite my ass.

  176. Helen, you will surely burn in hell for this post. At your age, you should be praising the Lord instead of mocking him. You should beg for forgiveness now.
    Right your wrongs. The Lord will forgive you. I pray for you and all those like you.

    Lord, help these people see the truth. Your truth. The only truth that matters.
    You are Lord God Almighty. Save these sinners. In your name I pray.

  177. U.S. OUT OF MY UTERUS!!!!

    LOVE YA HELEN!!!

  178. Hooray H & M, you’re back -missed you and your clear and powerful messages!

  179. Davida Johnson was frightened away from Planned Parenthood by protesters. Instead of forgoing the abortion, she instead went to Dr. Kermit Gosnell’s filthy, abattoir-like abortion mill. She changed her mind when she saw the gruesome conditions of the clinic, but Gosnell beat her (yep-physical assault) until she submitted to the procedure.

    If we shut down the legitimate clinics, places like Gosnell’s will thrive. There will always be a demand for abortions – let’s keep them safe, legal, and the clinic clients unmolested by protesters.

  180. So GREAT to have you posting again and reassuring you NOT lost your hammer , hitting another issue that needed another good nailing !!
    We all were “worrying” due to referenced of Harolds close call,etc but do understand how personal life issues take priority,remaining ever grateful when you do post more of your wordly wisdoms from lifes observations that so many too see as common sensematically inclined and thensome !!!
    What a GREAT idea, donating on ‘behalf” of Perry…can think of others who too deserve such honors in regard to this particular as well as other “causes” that are quite apropos as well,semi gbo/lol !!! A productive way to get OUR messages out and about though as a ‘given” likely to still be IGNORRED by those in the various positions that have “authority/control” over OUR rightful ‘RIGHTS” to make OUR personal decisions !!)
    Wondering too just where the $$$ are to come from to PAY the costs of such…figure somehow they will bill the “patient” for the added cost of the procedures and figure it a justified “taxation” caused by personal responsibility issue/etc.
    Amazing how desengenuous when they,the authorities seek to remove any/all effort to help those BIRTHED/ALIVE able to actually SURVIVE and THRIVE and become all that they COULD be…such a disconnect, such a full scored hypocrisy, such a scornable travesty in play at OUR expense once again.

  181. Helen, just goes to show how out of touch with reality Gov. Perry is, everyone on Face Book has at least one friend, who has a picture of her fetus as her profile picture. Mind your own business Gov. Perry, your nose doesn’t belong up anyone vagina, this is their decision and it is a hard one, don’t complicate it with guilt and games.

  182. Helen,
    I’m so glad to see a new post from you. Thanks for yet another brilliant piece. I’m Christian, Pro-choice, and I do not subscribe to the Catholic Church’s declaration that life begins at conception. I believe a fetus becomes a human being when it draws its first breath. The best way to prevent abortions is education and available birth-control, things the ‘Fear Right’ are against. Abortions and mis-carriage are emotionally painful for those who have them, but they are made even more traumatic by people intent on crying ‘shame’ and putting even more roadblocks in the way of their personal and private choice. Those who are oppossed to womens right to control their own bodies should read ‘Freakonomics’.

    Keep up your good work Helen!!

  183. I WILL make a donation in Rick Perry’s name. Jackass.

  184. Thank you Helen. As always you’re spot on! ♥

  185. Right on post, Helen. I totally agree with you.

    Unfortunately, I happen to live in the state where that big-haired jackass is governor. I’m one of the 2,100,000 that didn’t vote for him. I couldn’t stand him from the time he took over Bush’s term. Why anyone would vote for him is scarey to me.

  186. So the doctor is donating the ultrasound? The Republicans? The pro life groups? The taxpayer? Heavens! The indigent patient?

  187. So the ultrasounds are free?

  188. I love you Helen!!!

  189. Better yet, make the donation in rick perry’s name.

  190. Margaret,
    You are wonderful and hit the nail on the head as usual. I only wish you would blog more often. Thanks for all you say.

  191. I’d like every birth control product to be covered by insurance, but I don’t think that any of them are.

    And yet it seems that all those Republican men who want legal and physical access to women’s reproductive organs can buy their Viagra, etc., with just a co-pay. That’s the height of hypocrisy and selfishness.

  192. What bothers me most about “pro-life” Christians is that they’re really “pro-birth.” Once that fetus starts converting oxygen, it becomes a “mistake” that they don’t want their tax dollars to support. Hypocrisy at best; judgmental death by bureaucracy at worst.

    If life has such sanctity, put your money where your mouth is and fund programs like Head Start, education programs that deal with health issues BEFORE women get pregnant and treat reproductive health like the biological function that it is, and not the religious propagation of the species dogmatic wedge issue that it has been allowed to become.

  193. You are truly a wise woman.

    What’s amazing to me is that so often it’s men who speak out against abortion. Men. Not women. Women, who carry, gives birth to, and in very many cases end up raising the child alone and with neither physical nor financial support. Perhaps Gov. Perry should involve and encourage his church and his own wallet into making copious donations toward helping young women who are raising children alone. Housing, education, child care, food, medical, clothng…..the list is endless.

    My guess is the wallets will remain firmly closed and tucked away.

  194. Helen, I missed your posts, I’m glad you’re ok and Margaret is too. You as usual hit the nail on the head with this post. I will be donating to PP in honor of Rick “Asshat” Perry. I hope he isn’t gay. He would give homosexuals a bad name, and we don’t want him.

  195. I have missed you, Helen! I rarely post here, but I check for new messages from you almost daily.
    Couldn’t agree more about Rick Perry. Like most Repugs, “save the unborn, no matter what the expectant mother wants or needs”, but deny any health care or any other social welfare programs to help once those children are born. And they call themselves Christian.

  196. @Lyn regarding tobacco and cancer – that is already in the works: http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/645759.html

  197. As a pro-choice former rape victim who benefited from birth control pills and condoms provided by planned parenthood all through HS and post-rape care after it happened (after college), I appreciate your desire to protect the rights of a woman to choose.

    However, I also know that at Planned Parenthood, the language provided to girls is that it is simply ‘fetal tissue.’ And they claim the fetus feels no pain. When I went in for care after my rape the first thing they did was talk about my abortion options – even though my primary goal was to get treated for the venereal disease(s) the creep gave me and make sure I didn’t have PID that would prevent my future ability to plan for parenthood.

    I don’t know what my choice would have been if I had been impregnated, and I know my feelings on abortion also come from a religious place so while I don’t think I could ever have one, I respect a woman’s right to choose.

    But I also think a woman should make an informed choice. If the fetus feels pain, I would want to know as part of making my choice. If the fetus is more child than fetal tissue, I would want to know that as well. Sonograms cost money, so they are discouraged when you are trying to get an abortion at Planned Parenthood. I appreciate this legislation because it gives women and girls the information they should have to make an INFORMED choice.

    And in light of reading this woman’s experience as a former clinic director at Planned Parenthood, I feel even stronger about this point:. “>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/11/02/planned-parenthood-director-quits-watching-abortion-ultrasound/http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/10/first-chapter-of-abby-johnsons-planned-parenthood-book-unplanned/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lifenews%2Fnewsfeed+%28LifeNews.com%29

  198. I have missed you Helen! I rarely post here, but I check for a new message from you almost daily.
    Amazing how Repugs are so anti-abortion, protect the unborn on one hand, but want to deny health care (or any kind of social welfare programs for that matter) after that child is born. It boggles the mind.

  199. Exactly Helen.. can we say hypocrite’s?

    Good to see you back.

  200. Good to see another post from you, Helen. I’ve missed hearing what you have to say.
    I hope all is well with you and your family and with Margaret and family also.

  201. Let’s make people look at pictures of lung cancer with every tobacco purchase. Or a liver destroyed by cirrhosis when purchasing alcohol. OH, WAIT! That includes men and THEIR decisions! We can’t do that!

    Forget I said anything. I obviously forgot my place.

  202. That idiot just proves the correctness of my favorite bumper sticker ‘the Christian right is neither’. So glad you are back.

  203. Amen. You remind me of my Nana, who always told me (as a die-hard Yankee from Boston):” I want the gov’t to stay out of my house, my bedroom and my wallet… I don’t know what that makes me besides smart. “

  204. Helen,
    So glad to hear from you again. I hope all is well with your family.
    Once again you are dead on! No one says it as well as you.
    I love Traci’s idea and will make a donation today in Rick Perry’s name. I am so sick and tired of these a$$holes getting into office and trying to take MY rights away, The whole time screaming about how BIG government is trying to take “their” rights away.

  205. Thank you, Helen, for your insight. It’s poetry for our times. For these Nutbags who are always complaining of big guvmit, they sure waste a lot of our time sticking their noses in all the unwelcomed places.

  206. So glad to see a new post from you!

  207. How many UNWANTED babies does Governor Jackass want to raise himself? Is he going to pay for the mother’s health care? Oh, wait! Republicans want to kill health care!

    Talk about being inconsistent. . . !

  208. Welcome back, and thanks again for being so on target with your commentary.

  209. Glad to see you back!

    My question is, if the government is going to require a sonogram, are they going to pay for it? With a $27 billion deficit where will the money come from? Are they going to take responsibility for making healthcare costs rise?

    He truly is a jackass

  210. Actually, yes. Yes you can…

    https://secure.ppaction.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=pp_ppol_DonationFormHonoraryGiving

  211. Can one make such a donation in Rick Perry’s name?

  212. I’m curious. Who is going to pay for the ultrasounds?

  213. Helen,

    Welcome back and happy New Year! I hadn’t heard this little bit of info coming from TX, but I’m not surprised. These are most certainly “interesting times” we’re witnessing these days.

    Hope all is well with you and that Harold is doing well.

  214. I have a regularly scheduled monthly donation to PP. The GOP, once again, should be ashamed of themselves. Love how they want less government except when it comes to abortion rights. Thanks for this post. I’ve tweeted it and posted it on my FB page. (And, I love Traci’s idea of sending a PP donation in honor of people like Rick Perry. Brilliant.)

  215. Thank you for writing this– your honesty is a breath of fresh air these days!

    Donation has been made to Planned Parenthood in your honor, however my next donation will be in honor of Rick Perry so that he will receive a nice little letter of thanks from PP….I’m thinking that every time I hear a politician say something stupid about this, I will log on to planned parenthood and send them some money and send the thank-you note to the politician…. kinda like Pennies in Protest sending donations to the targets of hate when the Westboro Baptist Church came to Richmond.

    And truly awesome point Angelle2….where ARE all the funerals for the miscarriages??

  216. Excellent points Helen and for those who exited Texas upon the election of “George the Lesser” when they trashed my buddy Ann Richards, I was amazed to see that folks continue to vote against their own best interests in that state.

    Have only been back twice in the 20 years since I left, and that was to 1. attend the funeral of a loved uncle, and 2. to attend a family reunion up in Wascom.

    Perry shows his butt every time he opens his mouth. Like most conservative “christians” he is an embarrassment to religious people everywhere. And like a typical conservative rethuglican male, he believes that he has the dominion over a womans reproductive functions. Frankly, women should be up in arms over people like Perry and others who rant about the life of “an unborn child” and their stupid statement that life begins at conception. Like who told them? GOD? Sorry, but my God would never talk that kind of stuff.

  217. Go, Helen, go! You nailed it!

  218. Missed you! A lot! Happy New Year. Once again, you have hit the target spot on. Changed my mind about the position of the church I was baptised into as an infant when I discovered how many pregnancies end before they are even diagnosed. Began to wonder why there weren’t any funerals for such. Also could not understand why funerals were denied for pregnancies that miscarried further into the cycle or even for stillborns. The church I grew up in hasn’t a moral leg to stand on. As far as I am concerned they are right down there with the Westboro bunch.

  219. You are inspiring, as usal. Thank you for calling Perry (at best a dimwit) on his insidious, male “know-it-all” ‘health care’ of his own devising.

    I wish that 600K difference in votes last fall had gone the other way, but I am really pleased to hear the TX vote was so close…as I was beginning to fear we had dumped all the dummies in that state.

  220. I’m glad you are all right!
    We haven’t heard from you in so long

    I agree with you 100% Texas is failing badly, a republican state so much in debt!

    He is playing to the base. I bet Sticky Rick is thinking about a presidential run.

  221. How is coercion ever the way to the right answer?

  222. Lewis Brandeis said that the greatest threat to liberty lurked in insidious encroachment by men of zeal – well-meaning, but without understanding. They couldn’t outlaw abortion outright, so they are trying to deal it the death of a thousand cuts.

    I agree with Helen and Justice Brandeis – all but the well-meaning part.

    Heather – if you are still here: you are quite welcome. BTW, any time you want to disguise your IP address use

    http://www.torproject.org

    Even the Great Firewall of China can’t stop them. Consider a donation; the Tor project has doubtless saved thousands of lives by disguising the IP addresses of political dissidents around the world. It is one click and you are irretrievably anonymous.

  223. And I thought you were dead.

    Welcome back. I’ll make a donation everytime you post. Starting with this post… $50 to PP

    Keep it up Grandma Helen!

  224. Just went and made my donation.

  225. Sic ‘em, Helen! Spot on, as usual. Many, many thanks!

  226. ++ This.

  227. Donation? Absolutely. Every two weeks by payroll deduction. Missed you!

  228. Donating to Planned Parenthood is awesome. I donate to NARAL Prochoice VA!

  229. “Suck it Rick Fairy”. LMAO

  230. Hello Margaret,

    You make such a valid point, and frankly I hadn’t made the connect. Why are so many people anti-government until abortion rights come up. I believe a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy for several reasons. And I definitely believe that we need laws or something that will allow us to end our own lives if we are terminally ill and in paint. I for one do not want anybody to see me lying helpless and dying in a bed – or worse, end up in a horrible “nursing home”.

    Angelle2 – You make a very good point too!

  231. Love it. L O V E it!

  232. I will have to say that I am definitely pro-life…. however I so completely agree with you about the inconsistencies about the so called “Christian” party – the Republicans. It makes me sick to my stomach. Their actions are rarely WWJD despite the fact they wear it on their sleeve. I love that Obama is the first person to offer a decent solution to unwanted pregnancies: let’s make efforts to prevent them. I forgot how he said it but it was brilliant. I agree, Helen, the pro-lifers are in general more interested in protecting the unborn life that they disregard what is happening with the mother. ALL are precious in God’s eyes. I do not know the answer. But I don’t think they currently have it right. i think that if Jesus were to walk on the earth today, things would be not be as some would expect. Thank you once again for pointing out such indiscrepancies and all done under the name of Christianity.

  233. Damn it. You know what I hate? I hate men who want to control my body. Suck it Rick Faury!

  234. How do you really feel? LOL

  235. Repugs are so stupid. All this means is the Dens get so mad they show back up in two years to vote. They’ll never learn…

  236. This is something that Focus on the Family has been promoting for years with big budgets providing sonogram equipment used to scare women. They have teamed up with the Catholic church as well as Orthodox Jews in this endeavor. I know someone who worked for them traveling around to set up equipment.

    Based on the theory they espouse, that life begins at conception, tell me why do we not have funerals and burials for miscarriages?

  237. Now your talkin. Let’s get to walking to the Capitol to get his stupid ass back to jesusville!

  238. I adore you.

  239. Idiots. The whole lot of them. When are their wives going to grow a pair and stop standing by them? Betcha didn’t know that Laura Bush is pro-choice. So is Anita Perry. Course now Anita stays married to a gay man so we know she can keep a secret…

  240. Texas Governor Rick Perry said he will introduce emergency legislation requiring women seeking abortions to first get a sonogram of the fetus and listen to a recording of the heartbeat.

    FL tried this about a year ago but Charlie Crist vetoed it. Our new Governor, Medicaid Fraudster Rick Scott is chomping at the bit to sign it.

  241. And here she is!!!! With both barrels loaded. Go Helen go!!!!!!!

  242. amen, sister! xo

  243. Thank you for this posting.
    You are right on – goverment out of the board room and straight up my hoo-ha.
    We need to stand up and just say NO to this.
    Hope all is well with all of you and your family. I’ve missed your postings.

  244. On the money, as usual!!


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